@@davidfaustino4476 After all, that was only the first revision of a TV. You wouldn't even need the LED dimming of different zones, but simply the two LCD layers and a good backlight. The latency could certainly be reduced, but I personally wouldn't care that much anyway.
This is the most returned tv at best buy right now. I was so tempted to buy, it has been on sale for months,even before it was announced to be discontinued. Unfortunately the issue with it is major, the cpu can not handle the quality of the screen, let's just say it like that. Response time is bad, motion is bad, loading apps or switching between apps will sometimes cause the screen to freeze. Now, it has a great picture quality, hands down the best picture quality for the money, it can't be beat. But you won't be looking at a still picture, I don't think anyways lol. So nope, don't buy it. making this video for content is great, but for anyone watching stay away from this tv, even with the massive discounts is not worth it. You will be extremely annoyed by it all the time. Also, LG just came out with C2, so the C1 are on sale almost everywhere and a 77" C1 can be bought for $2000.
What a fantastically 'simple' and effective idea! Too bad it wasn't too economical in the end! I wouldn't mind one at all coz my gaming is at a minimum
@@danielallen7384 call up the service and they will change out a faulty board for you in less than one hour. TVs are one of the most repairable devices because how simple they are.(in terms of accessibility)
It's not really the economics of it, as much as its very very difficult to get two LCD panels to be perfectly synchronized. Motion handling is already difficult on Hisense tvs,it gets even more difficult with dual cell because each panel can take 5 to 10 ms to transition its pixels. Multiply that by two panels oh, and it's just a processing nightmare
Until OLED can really address burn-in, this is the kind of tech that makes sense for typical monitors. After seeing the episode with Linus having to burn more pixels down on the OLED to homogenize the pixels…I have no faith in them for PCs.
Oled have addressed burn in, unless you turn off the protections and run it in a pc config without a screen saver... seriously burn in been a none issue for tv use for a good while now
Hello Linus! You're the one youtuber my dad loves to see me watch. He got confused about your CPU facility video, and was asking me questions that I answered to perfection! So I thank you for a well educated life.
@@carlmclemore6104 if it makes you feel 10% better about missing that deal (I missed it) it was only available to Total Tech Members which is a $200/year Best Buy Program.
The last CES I went to was in 2017 and I remember seeing HiSense touting this. I remember thinking it was a great idea, but too bad it's from a questionable name. I remember thinking the same thing about TCL years earlier (especially when they were using the RCA and GE badge names) and that they had become respectable. Last year, I saw a few YT channels singing the praises of HiSense and I though, cool, now what about that tech of the 1080p screen controlling backlighting for a 2180p screen. Well, here it is, and there it goes.
I just bought that tv a month ago for $1300 from Best Buy. Really happy with it. The blacks are so dark it looks like it’s off when the image is black it’s seriously close to OLED. Love seeing inky blacks right next to a bright part of the scene. My only issue is there is motion blur as mentioned. It’s really not that bad. But if you’re really sensitive to it you’ll notice it sometimes. Though I’d be willing to bet most people won’t notice
I ALMOST bought one of these when they dropped to $1200. Couldn’t do it. Got scared because of the unknown/unproven tech, and several poor reviews (even though most reviewed with the TV was selling for 2X+ the price). I ended up getting a great deal on a LG C1. No regrets.
Your ad spot amused me. A pair of DJs I know on twitch were responding on Friday to me putting their stickers on my LTT water bottle by doing a sponsor spot like you do, and they chose this sponsor. Pretty good impression of you too.
It's less than you would think. It's not second 4k color layer, its a 1080p single channel layer, it lets around 3-4 times more light though than a 4k rgb panel.
a monochrome screen doesn't affect light much, you can probably just up the backlight by 25% and be fine. I don't see how syncing is an issue as you can just use the same signal at 1/4 more powe
I tried to buy one of these locally a few months ago at Best Buy. They told me they didn't have any, couldn't ship the one they found, and if I wanted it I would have to go get it. Ended up with an A80J, and I don't regret the change in purchase. If you've never seen an OLED in person in a dark room it's amazing, and the A80J gets plenty bright for my room.
Honestly tough to recommend it since it seems that recently most oleds seem to have dropped in price and go on sale more frequently when a 65 inch A1 is 1300 and an a80j is at practically the same price it’s tough to beat
I really think this technology might make a big comeback sometime in the future. If companies keep putting R&D money into it, the manufacturing process will eventually become less complex. This could even become the norm for TVs, it’s such a great idea.
There is a possibility in the future to make both layers in 1 panel, instead of gluing 2 together. That way it would require additional passes, but not additional gluing of the panels.
Making it out at a young age is quite difficult. I started a side hustle at 17, saved up and made some good investments. l'm 28,live on my own and having a good life for myself. Big ups to you and everyone out there trying
@@alexmontrey5372 Yes it sure is. I put in money in investments and get profits. That 's how I make more money without working. This does not sound new to you right ?
Linus could've easily added a minute's worth of content to this video and put a bunch of ads for big bucks. Gotta love his honest dedication to content.
I'm so disappointed. I was really curious about this from the moment I learned about it. It seemed like a solid solution for HDR monitors without having to go OLED and risk burn-in...
@@fadetoblack.- You might want to watch level1tech's video and the LTT colab video with him on OLED burn-in when used as a primary display in Windows. It is still a thing there, very different from regular TV content use.
@@fadetoblack.- quoted from another comment: "I'm a big fan of OLED but burn-in is still an issue.. I had a number of OLED displays over the years and here is the list when burn in appeared first.. But I'm still gonna stick with it as there is nothing compared to them on the market right now. -LG B7 purchased in 2017, first burn-in signs after 7months, after 18months became some bad it was unwatchable so I just decided to bin it. This TV has seen 12hrs average usage on a daily basis. -LG B8 purchased in 2019, first burn-in signs after 11months, this TV has seen very little usage and some gaming, I would say 5-6hours of usage per week. -LG B9 purchased in 2020, first burn-in signs after 2 years, this TV has seen 12hrs of usage on daily basis. -HP laptop with OLED display, purchased in 2020. First burn-in signs after 14months, now 18months old and the burn-in so noticeable when you watch videos on full screen. I basically have a permanent Windows taskbar at the bottom :) This laptop has seen 5-6hrs of usage on a daily basis. "
@@raiyankhanmajlis6112 i dont think you can even buy that flanders anymore, its the same panasonic panel regardless, there are more monitors with that panel, from postium and eizo.(and probably more, konvision maybe) , I think there is only this one 32" dual layer LCD .
@@helloguy8934 you can still buy the hx310 and the eizo and stuff whatever they still have left in stock, flanders has a new 5000NIT microLED monitor "comming soon" , but yes if you want to master HDR content things arent looking too good, can basically buy FALD displays with all their downsides or hope that qd-oled will be able to hit 1000NIT soon.
You should try making your own to see how good (or bad) a DIY version could be. Get 2 LCD tvs, remove the LCD panel from one and lay it over the other, and connect both with an HDMI splitter or something to the same source and see what the quality is like.
I remember the preview u did of this tech back at that technology showcase. And wondered for quite some time if u would ever do a review of it or not, before I forgot about it altogether. Glad that u got ur hands on it now 🙂
Looks like these were on clearance in Australia about 6 months ago for about $900 AUD - or at least the 65inch model which used this tech. Retail price was $3.5k. They don’t seem to be around anymore. It’s a pity, at that price I probably would have made the leap.
I got one, here in aus end of last year just under 900, and I had a 55" OLED before. It is good, but the off angle viewing is pretty bad and it doesn't do pure white or yellows well at all. Kind of whish I spent a bit more and just got a Samsung QLED or TCL mini LED which I was actually shopping for at the time
Oh looks like someone commented the same thing. Like the comment above, the reviews weren't that great either. This video was just reminiscing ces days tech. Power consumption and actual usage points at bigger flaws. It could've been sorted in revised versions but they announced giving up on the technology to focus on better emerging ones at the time.
I have had mine for a couple years and I love it. I haven't had a ton of expensive TVs but I've been very impressed, at the 1600 you can get these for now it's well worth it.
This feels like one of those "why did noone think of this before" technologies. Except of course the reason noone did it before, even if they did think of it, would appear to be the complexity and presumably power draw. Still seems like it has big potential though.
I had high hopes for this technology when it was first announced. I had envisioned a TV with a super bright mini-LED backlight, a 1080p 240Hz VA black and white LCD panel, and a 4k 120Hz IPS color LCD panel with the latest Quantum Dot color conversion layer built into the polarizer at the front of the screen. IPS panels typically offer better viewing angles and color accuracy (especially when viewed off center), while VA panels typically have less light leakage and faster response times, making each panel technology better suited for either the color filtering role or the light filtering role respectively. Assembling the two panels this way would effectively give you a 240Hz VA "backlight" that would allow for a quasi black frame insertion technique where the VA panel would always operate at double the refresh rate of the IPS panel, alternating between the image being displayed and a full black screen for better motion handling, and would even work with VRR turned on. When watching movies and other "passive" content the mini-LED backlight would also offer local dimming for the best possible contrast, but when gaming the local dimming would be turned off for lower processing latency, using just the two LCD panels to still give you deeper blacks than any typical LCD could offer with brighter highlights than any existing OLED TV is capable of. It's a shame Hisense didn't keep going with this tech and improve it further.
MiniLED caught up so quickly that it killed dual-layer LCDs on arrival because it's objectively better and from manufacturer's POV, probably a lot simpler = a lot cheaper to manufacture than dual-layer LCDs. In 2019 I would've thought dual-layer LCDs would at least have couple years before MiniLED matures and takes over but guess not :D
Damn. I was waiting for monitors to finally develop the technology for a budget-friendly reference monitor with only 4px area bleed for a 1px specular pixel on a 4K colour panel without ever having to worry about OLED burn-in. So much of my use case has scopes, timecode, and timeline that's bound to create burn-in even on the newest OLEDs. It also doesn't help that even QD OLED dips really quickly above 10% full white window all the way down to ~200cd/m2 at 100% window.
This is one of those videos where I feel like I shouldn't understand a word he's saying, but at this point I've watched so much LTT to the point where I understand everything.
Really really good content as always. Great breakdown on why this was already discontinued. Think I'll be holding off, though, for a projector like you shared a day or two ago. That thing was insane. Side note: 6:32 omfg Almost made me choke on my lunch lol
grabbed this thing when it was on sale for best buy and amazon for about a day for $1,200 USD. Absolute steal at that price. I'm not gaming on my TV. Movies/TV shows only.
It would be tempting at a much lower price. Looking at Rtings, this appears to suffer from another Hisense TV issue, which is that it can't properly take full 4k120 and has to use subsampling which makes text and details look fuzzy and wrong. Between that, ghosting and processing slowness as well as some color banding, I think it's too many caveats even for the $2000 price at 75". If you're looking at the competition, the prices aren't far off there, especially if you aren't necessarily buying right now and could wait for sales on the C2 lineup, or don't care about the evo panels and go for a discounted C1. The tech sounds really neat; it's unfortunate it turned out to be so difficult to manufacture.
@@carlmclemore6104 Is it just me, or are Samsung deliberately being quiet about the new QD-OLED stuff now that it's out? I haven't seen a lot about the TV side of things, and so far for monitors it's just the Alienware getting a few reviews. I'm a bit worried that the issue with the monitor's black levels going a bit grey in a well-lit room could transfer to the TV as well and once people catch on to that, the tech has a major uphill battle to face.
@@MaskedMammal no, the reason Samsung Electronics is being quiet about the new OLED panel they purchase from Samsung Display, they don't want to undercut sales of their best 2022 LCDs that are roughly the same price as the new OLED, because it makes them obsolete. If you want to see in depth reviews, check out "Keep It Classy Tech" and "Stop the FOMO", among others.
Words can't express how sad I am that this is discontinued All the coolest displays of all time end up being discontinued before we can get one And that remaining stock is going to faster than we can come up with 2000$
Everytime I see Linus or someone else wearing the Short Circuit long sleeve shirt in black I keep getting reminded of a shirt I wanted and may never get because they don’t sell anymore 😔
PROS Incredibly high contrast. Amazing reflection handling. Image remains accurate to a very wide angle. CONS Slow response time and terrible ghosting. Colored bands in areas of uniform color.
Man the lack of intro is weird. I get you're trying to work with the algorithm and people skipping 10-20 seconds in the first minute. Hopefully the algorithm allows you to reintroduce the intro we all know and love one day.
I remember when U8G and U9DG were announced alongside that weird "Devolver Digital" like press video. These are supposed to be absolutely next gen non-oleds, but both had quite large flaws on otherwise great TV's
@@TheOnlyTwitchR6 you have to worry about burn in with Oled though. That's a big problem you can fix motion and ghosting on Uled with and update can't do that for Oled
Mini-led blooming is definitely noticeable, but only in extreme dark scenes with bright highlights. I wouldn’t say it is always noticeable to the naked eye.
I've been waiting years for this tech to become something doable and somewhat mainstream, just to see it die at its fist try, I'm not crying, you're crying!!!!
I had a u8g, 65, WARNING, it was REALLY bad for motion for some reason (I don't know if its the same with all the flagship Hisense displays, or we just had a bad one) 4k Motion looked like stop animation, it was seriously noticeable, and our Hisense u8g also had issues where the blacks would flash A LOT during panning shots. It was honestly impossible to watch. AGAIN, I don't know if we just had a bad display. my gf and I returned it for the Samsung QN90A, 65, and it was just so much better, it was worth it. Otherwise we were going to get the LG C1, but we were worried about burn in on the OLED and our tv room has too much natural light, making the QN90A a better fit for us. EDIT, to Hisense credit, their smart tv menus were great, stand was really solid and of course the price was incredible.
Oled burn in isn't much of a issue unless you really plan to leave it on a static screen all day everyday. Use one for my pc n' still no issues after all this time
@@ltsmithneko I worried about us, we can be forgetful, and web (youtube) tabs being as they are, in the same position, was a concern. Also the news we watch has the same layout on screen everyday. We decided it wasn't worth the worry that our 2000$ entertainment investment would become damaged from regular use. I was planning on trying my QN90A as a monitor on steam, haven't got around to it yet. Glad you're enjoying yours without issues :)
@@hailgod1 Oh before I forget, I even enabled the secret dev menu on the thing to try EVERYTHING before returning it. I spent hours trying all the different settings on that TV, of which now that some time has past cannot recall those settings, with little to no improvement. The store actually had these displays (4k Hisense u8g u9) set to STILL IMAGES on their display showcase wall. When asked to show us 4k footage with motion and panning, they couldn't. We found this odd, but didn't go off the conspiracy deep end, so I just kind of assumed they are unable to fully compete with other flagship models, and made the switch. I'm quite certain that side by side the issues I noticed, upon comparison (to be fair with other more expensive models some of different screen technologies), would be all the more noticeable.
yeah i have the 55 inch u8g and its been pretty bad ass but from the research ive done it seems either people got ones that where just trash or they worked like they where suppose to. it is an odd tv but if you get a nice one they are amazing gaming tvs for a way lower price.
I own a vizio oled and I love it. It's my 1st oled and I wanted to dip my toe with oled. The amount of light in the room, the burn-in factor, and cost in general have been noted issues when considering purchase. Well I use it in my basement so the amount of light isn't an issue. Burn in isn't something I'm gonna fret over. I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. And cost. I got the 55 inch for 1000. It was 300 off the regular price. I've had it for a year and it's awesome. Hdmi 2.1 has been a game changer pun intended. I've never used a pc to game so I've not had the privilege to play games at those high frame rates. And Dolby vision is jaw dropping. Is it the best oled panel? No. Is it a great 1st time buy? Hell yeah. I'd like to see more tech tubers covet it in the future. And I'd love to own this hisense panel. Sounds awesome.
I am starting to get more curious how much or what ever it takes for Oled or what ever succeeding tech is needed to catch up what CRT's did regarding Colors and what not. I know CRT's are low res screens but in many ways are or where still ahead in color and black levels of what Today's TV's can do.
CRTs have kinda dookie black levels cause the glass isn't black. A lot had mediocre colour accuracy compared to nowadays. And all of the calibration issues meant they were massively flawed for high res content. They've been superseded for well over a decade.
@@helloguy8934 CRTs can display a true 0IRE black, problem is as I mentioned, the glass isn't black. The only way to get true blacks is in a light controlled room and at that point, oled is still better for brightness. CRTs don't even break 200 nit unless they're overdriven to shit. And the ABL will kick in well before then on any modern one.
I was just watching HDTVTest’s latest video and it had the Sony mastering monitor in it. I wondered how Sony could make and lcd so amazing. Then I watch this. Perfect timing!
I remember coming up with that independently around 2018 and wondering why nobody was doing that, it seemed like an obvious approach. Then the Hisense was revealed and looked really promising, back when OLED was plagued by burn-in and Mini LED was basically non-existent on the market. Sad to see that it just isn't worth while for manufacturers, I think it's a pretty elegant solution apart from the thickness. Maybe they'll revisit it at some point, who knows. Might be interesting for monitors maybe
some inventions are futuristic, while other's don't quite make the cut. course 1080p is not a be-all measure of real-world scenario's, I'm not entirely sure.
God, I was so excited when I watched that CES video those years ago. It's truly a shame they didn't at least give it a chance at a 2nd generation of consumer versions. I would've loved to see this scale down to a more affordable price range.
So serendipitous! I was just wondering what happened to this tech as just the other day while I was contemplating upgrading my 5 year old LG OLED. Sad to see it didn’t catch on. Only issue with Samsung’s new QD-OLED is the total lack of Dolby Vision.
Damn it I wish I saw this before I bought the Hisense U8H. But good news for me, the u9dg is still $1500 near the end of 2022, and I got a 65inch u8h for $899
Dual layer LCDs have been there for a long time but due to the cost, they are only ideal as mastering/reference monitors. Wish they made this in smaller sizes as monitors.
I sincerely feel like there would be ways to simplify the production or adapt the concept into other LCD displays. Perhaps having an extra layer at the bottom of the stack that updates it's monochrome image in sync with the other display layers? One signal controlling two things at the same time has been around forever.
I bought this for 1200 dollars, 75 inch. Which obviously was an insane deal. It was before they discontinued it also so i thought it was weird it was so marked down. Was at 1200 on amazon just a month ago or so, but it was only for like a day or two and then shot back up to 2 grand. The motion isnt great but ive been playing elden ring and it hasnt even bothered me. Ive gotten really far in the game and the tv hasnt held me back at all. And they did a firmware update to the ug8 for motion so hopefully the u9dg will get one too
You may be slightly incorrect about the 1080p panel being lower res than the 4k panel it’s behind. Since the pixels are monochrome they add up to the same effective resolution as 4k rgb pixels. Or at least this is what I remember from when I first heard about this technology.
One of the issues with increasing local dimming zones is the processing power required to run them. I have been saying this for the last couple years, but What I don’t get is why they couldn’t just duplicate the signal use the luminance and apply that to the backlight array. You could even just scale it similar to how they handle the overlapping panels here, but it completely mitigates the need for a second panel and deals with the low resolution blooming issues of current lcd displays.
This would be the dream screen for displaying photographs to my clients, my work is all punchy and high contrast. Can't seem to get hold of one in the UK though
You'll notice a lot of the TV Models you see featured on this channel aren't in the UK. Not just Hisense, but other companies like TCL Too. The TVs for the European markets are typically made under license to use the brand name by other manufacturers. The product line-up is totally different and will be of wildly different quality too. There's a few flagship models that will be imported in as per the original spec but for the most part the product lineup will be different. At a guess, you're probably best off going with one of the TP Vision/Philips OLED models provided your usage isn't likely to cause issues with screen burn. They're not the very best TV that I have seen for everyday viewing, but in terms of HDR and really picking out bright highlights and maintaining fantastic contrast and detail in the darker areas, they definitely seem to be great when comparing to the likes of LG's OLED Panels which tend to limit the max brightness a little bit too low at times to bring out the best of the picture.
@@Koda14 Thanks for the thoughtful response! No burn in concerns, just good colour when calibrated and great contrast, don't care for motion obviously when showing still images, do the LGs often lower the nits when displaying lots of white at once then?
@@chrisogrady28 Yeah that’s the biggest issue with the LG displays unfortunately. The more white areas you have, the dimmer the display will become. LG argue it’s protection, but even other brands that use LG’s panels aren’t quite so aggressive with these limits. Overall the Philips displays seem to allow the brightest overall from what I’ve seen though
Got one of these 6 months ago for $2200. Images look great however disabling motion processing like I normally would just isn't possible the ghosting evening in movies is terrible. However, I was suprised to find that enabling their motion smoothing and anit jitter made the image pretty close to great and did not induce the soap opera effect. So for me it is pretty great and the HDR is amazing as far as I am concerned.
I remember the original video for this! I saw it a couple of years ago, when I fell down a rabbit hole researching flat screen TVs. When you look up reviews of just about anything consumer electronics related, Linus Tech Tips is always in the search. At this exact moment, you can get a U9DG for $2500 and free shipping. But even if I had the money - holy cow, no way would I trust the store's regular delivery guys with ninety pounds of delicate electronics.
I was really hoping for a more optimistic development of this technology, not for its own sake, but as a lever for more traditional panels
It would've been cool for gaming monitors. I'm sure they could make this tech faster.
Same
Mini LED is better.
@@DaequanFox who?
@@aninditabasak7694 not even close
I completely forgot about dual-layer LCD between MiniLED & OLED. It’s cool to see various kinds of TV tech on LTT.
I'm still mad about SED
@@paulocardoso9605 ok
@@sabishiihito what is SED?
@@lexecomplexe4083
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface-conduction_electron-emitter_display
@@paulocardoso9605 go CRT :D
This would be the optimal solution for PC monitors. No burn-in and no halo effects around sharply defined objects. For TV, an OLED would also do.
i absolutely hate the halo effects on any monitor.
Latency..
@@davidfaustino4476 After all, that was only the first revision of a TV. You wouldn't even need the LED dimming of different zones, but simply the two LCD layers and a good backlight. The latency could certainly be reduced, but I personally wouldn't care that much anyway.
@@davidfaustino4476 There could be solutions. As it's 2 panels, latency should not really be a problem, syncing them is.
nah, qd-oled is the best for monitors in the coming years
I love how Linus spells out A-L-E-X-A to avoid tripping everyone's apparently ubiquitous little Amazon surveillance node.
I don't know anyone who even has Alexa lol
@@Jokamutta I have a cousin called Alexa, does that count?
@@Jokamutta I don't have Alexa either and I intend never to get one.
Don't have Alexa, but my Google Assistant constantly gets tripped.
@@Rekhan4242 I'm not even sure if Alexa is supported in my country :D
This is the most returned tv at best buy right now. I was so tempted to buy, it has been on sale for months,even before it was announced to be discontinued. Unfortunately the issue with it is major, the cpu can not handle the quality of the screen, let's just say it like that. Response time is bad, motion is bad, loading apps or switching between apps will sometimes cause the screen to freeze. Now, it has a great picture quality, hands down the best picture quality for the money, it can't be beat. But you won't be looking at a still picture, I don't think anyways lol. So nope, don't buy it. making this video for content is great, but for anyone watching stay away from this tv, even with the massive discounts is not worth it. You will be extremely annoyed by it all the time. Also, LG just came out with C2, so the C1 are on sale almost everywhere and a 77" C1 can be bought for $2000.
Sorry but where is a 77” c1 for only 2k? I’m in canada and the on sale price at Best Buy is 3500
repackage them as those electronic picture frames? I mean, might as well if the companies can't reuse the returned tv's anyways. I'm just kidding.
@@spooky1631 I bought one what they referred to I have 2 and never had that issue so dunno paid 750$
Not much worse than a TV w/ a slow cheap processor
@@Psyopcyclops yep that’s the smart way. Only use it as a monitor and let and external device handle the smart tv part.
What a fantastically 'simple' and effective idea! Too bad it wasn't too economical in the end! I wouldn't mind one at all coz my gaming is at a minimum
If it ever broke you'd probably have a hard time finding someone to repair it. Just go with a LG C1 OLED.
@@danielallen7384 true but most people just throw away tvs when they break anyway
@@danielallen7384 call up the service and they will change out a faulty board for you in less than one hour. TVs are one of the most repairable devices because how simple they are.(in terms of accessibility)
It's not really the economics of it, as much as its very very difficult to get two LCD panels to be perfectly synchronized. Motion handling is already difficult on Hisense tvs,it gets even more difficult with dual cell because each panel can take 5 to 10 ms to transition its pixels. Multiply that by two panels oh, and it's just a processing nightmare
@@danielallen7384 he doesn't game a lot so why waste money for 120hz?
Even just going from LED to Mini LED is an amazing transition. My 2016 sharp looks almost decades behind my LG "Sim" TV purchased last year
I have it and I love it... Viewing angles aren't great but we all sit right in front of it so no big deal.
"Kinda like Chris Rock's face" Garnered an audible laugh, and disturbance to the wife's zoom meeting; thank you sir!
Until OLED can really address burn-in, this is the kind of tech that makes sense for typical monitors. After seeing the episode with Linus having to burn more pixels down on the OLED to homogenize the pixels…I have no faith in them for PCs.
Oled have addressed burn in, unless you turn off the protections and run it in a pc config without a screen saver... seriously burn in been a none issue for tv use for a good while now
@@shadowprice8100 Complete lie.
@@shadowprice8100 nope that still isn't the case
OLED will never address burn-in since it's in its nature.
Hello Linus! You're the one youtuber my dad loves to see me watch. He got confused about your CPU facility video, and was asking me questions that I answered to perfection! So I thank you for a well educated life.
Lolll nerd
I review weed products on my TH-cam channel for a living
@bruh It's whatever man, they're usually like that. TH-cam's gotta fix it. Thanks for the apology though, even though it not your fault.
@@SevenHunnid That just seems like a terrible past time.
I wish they would have made another one, this TV really could have been really amazing in a couple more generations.
I love the HTTYD 3 going on in the background during the intro!
This TV was $1199.99 USD at Best Buy on March 31st.... It's still for sale, but THAT was the time to buy.
What size was that?
@@carlmclemore6104 This TV only comes in 75inch in the USA.
@@cyciumx oh shoot, forgot about that. Yeah, that was a good price point.
@@carlmclemore6104 if it makes you feel 10% better about missing that deal (I missed it) it was only available to Total Tech Members which is a $200/year Best Buy Program.
@@cyciumx Yea, it's like 2500$ CAD here. Maybe if it was around the mid to high 1000$s. Samsung QLEDs are cheaper right now.
The last CES I went to was in 2017 and I remember seeing HiSense touting this. I remember thinking it was a great idea, but too bad it's from a questionable name. I remember thinking the same thing about TCL years earlier (especially when they were using the RCA and GE badge names) and that they had become respectable. Last year, I saw a few YT channels singing the praises of HiSense and I though, cool, now what about that tech of the 1080p screen controlling backlighting for a 2180p screen. Well, here it is, and there it goes.
I just bought that tv a month ago for $1300 from Best Buy. Really happy with it. The blacks are so dark it looks like it’s off when the image is black it’s seriously close to OLED. Love seeing inky blacks right next to a bright part of the scene. My only issue is there is motion blur as mentioned. It’s really not that bad. But if you’re really sensitive to it you’ll notice it sometimes. Though I’d be willing to bet most people won’t notice
I ALMOST bought one of these when they dropped to $1200. Couldn’t do it. Got scared because of the unknown/unproven tech, and several poor reviews (even though most reviewed with the TV was selling for 2X+ the price). I ended up getting a great deal on a LG C1. No regrets.
Cool story bro
I’m actually lookin at grabbing a C1 OLED but seein this gave me pause. Are you happy overall havin gotten the OLED over the ULED?
Your ad spot amused me. A pair of DJs I know on twitch were responding on Friday to me putting their stickers on my LTT water bottle by doing a sponsor spot like you do, and they chose this sponsor. Pretty good impression of you too.
The transmission loss through 2 LCD will be huge. I wonder what the energy consumption of that TV is in HDR.
The energy consumption was one of the main reasons for this tech not thriving (at least in the EU) according to HDTVtest
It's less than you would think. It's not second 4k color layer, its a 1080p single channel layer, it lets around 3-4 times more light though than a 4k rgb panel.
It does produce a lot of heat.
can you image the heat generating off this? would be "cozy" in the winter but damn my house gets hot enough in the summer.
a monochrome screen doesn't affect light much, you can probably just up the backlight by 25% and be fine.
I don't see how syncing is an issue as you can just use the same signal at 1/4 more powe
I always love to watch awesome B-roll videos of the newest screen technologies through my freaking bad screen. It sure shows me how better they are.
I tried to buy one of these locally a few months ago at Best Buy. They told me they didn't have any, couldn't ship the one they found, and if I wanted it I would have to go get it. Ended up with an A80J, and I don't regret the change in purchase. If you've never seen an OLED in person in a dark room it's amazing, and the A80J gets plenty bright for my room.
Honestly tough to recommend it since it seems that recently most oleds seem to have dropped in price and go on sale more frequently when a 65 inch A1 is 1300 and an a80j is at practically the same price it’s tough to beat
I really think this technology might make a big comeback sometime in the future. If companies keep putting R&D money into it, the manufacturing process will eventually become less complex. This could even become the norm for TVs, it’s such a great idea.
There is a possibility in the future to make both layers in 1 panel, instead of gluing 2 together. That way it would require additional passes, but not additional gluing of the panels.
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Making it out at a young age is quite difficult. I started a side hustle at 17, saved up and made some good investments. l'm 28,live on my own and having a good life for myself. Big ups to you and everyone out there trying
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Linus could've easily added a minute's worth of content to this video and put a bunch of ads for big bucks. Gotta love his honest dedication to content.
I'm so disappointed. I was really curious about this from the moment I learned about it. It seemed like a solid solution for HDR monitors without having to go OLED and risk burn-in...
such a cool idea but still so much latency
Burn is is so nonexistent on newer oleds it’s not worth talking about out side of retail store in store mode.
@@fadetoblack.- You might want to watch level1tech's video and the LTT colab video with him on OLED burn-in when used as a primary display in Windows. It is still a thing there, very different from regular TV content use.
@@fadetoblack.- quoted from another comment: "I'm a big fan of OLED but burn-in is still an issue.. I had a number of OLED displays over the years and here is the list when burn in appeared first.. But I'm still gonna stick with it as there is nothing compared to them on the market right now.
-LG B7 purchased in 2017, first burn-in signs after 7months, after 18months became some bad it was unwatchable so I just decided to bin it. This TV has seen 12hrs average usage on a daily basis.
-LG B8 purchased in 2019, first burn-in signs after 11months, this TV has seen very little usage and some gaming, I would say 5-6hours of usage per week.
-LG B9 purchased in 2020, first burn-in signs after 2 years, this TV has seen 12hrs of usage on daily basis.
-HP laptop with OLED display, purchased in 2020. First burn-in signs after 14months, now 18months old and the burn-in so noticeable when you watch videos on full screen. I basically have a permanent Windows taskbar at the bottom :) This laptop has seen 5-6hrs of usage on a daily basis.
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@@MGsubbie The percentages are low. Been using OLED since the first 1080 P model in 2015. Never had a problem.
LTT has Guardians in their team.....now I love you guys even more....fellow brothers in light...
I was hoping this technology would have gotten cheap enough to become the budget option in couple years, but it's sad to see that will never happen.
I love that Linus spells out "Alexa" to avoid setting off people's voice assistants.
This tech seems really cool. Would like to see lots more development into it.
Just bought a Hisense 40" Class 2K FHD LED Roku Smart TV H4030F a little over a week ago that looks like it gives the same picture. Love this brand.
Wow you usually only see dual layer LCDs on professional cinema reference displays I forgot there was work to get it into consumer TVs
they actually stopped making the panel for the sony hx310 :-( so there is basically no dual layer lcd anymore
@@FinnJaeger1337 what about the flanders scientific one? Or does come frome the same source
@@raiyankhanmajlis6112 i dont think you can even buy that flanders anymore, its the same panasonic panel regardless, there are more monitors with that panel, from postium and eizo.(and probably more, konvision maybe) , I think there is only this one 32" dual layer LCD .
@@FinnJaeger1337 Where are you even supposed to buy a mastering monitor then?
@@helloguy8934 you can still buy the hx310 and the eizo and stuff whatever they still have left in stock, flanders has a new 5000NIT microLED monitor "comming soon" , but yes if you want to master HDR content things arent looking too good, can basically buy FALD displays with all their downsides or hope that qd-oled will be able to hit 1000NIT soon.
You should try making your own to see how good (or bad) a DIY version could be. Get 2 LCD tvs, remove the LCD panel from one and lay it over the other, and connect both with an HDMI splitter or something to the same source and see what the quality is like.
6:37 lord have mercy that was brutal
My parents bought a Hisense u9g. We were honestly astonished at how good it looked vs some of the $2000 plus usd sony tvs. Just amazing
Great content as always Linus!
I came to know so much about tech because of this channel...
Thanks for making so awesome content everyday for us!
how would you know that, you barely made it through the intro
@@meatbleed yea
And also
@One1 what the fuck bro?
@@meatbleed Because the content that Linus posts is always good..
I remember the preview u did of this tech back at that technology showcase. And wondered for quite some time if u would ever do a review of it or not, before I forgot about it altogether.
Glad that u got ur hands on it now 🙂
Looks like these were on clearance in Australia about 6 months ago for about $900 AUD - or at least the 65inch model which used this tech. Retail price was $3.5k.
They don’t seem to be around anymore. It’s a pity, at that price I probably would have made the leap.
I got one, here in aus end of last year just under 900, and I had a 55" OLED before. It is good, but the off angle viewing is pretty bad and it doesn't do pure white or yellows well at all. Kind of whish I spent a bit more and just got a Samsung QLED or TCL mini LED which I was actually shopping for at the time
Oh looks like someone commented the same thing. Like the comment above, the reviews weren't that great either. This video was just reminiscing ces days tech. Power consumption and actual usage points at bigger flaws. It could've been sorted in revised versions but they announced giving up on the technology to focus on better emerging ones at the time.
I have had mine for a couple years and I love it. I haven't had a ton of expensive TVs but I've been very impressed, at the 1600 you can get these for now it's well worth it.
This feels like one of those "why did noone think of this before" technologies. Except of course the reason noone did it before, even if they did think of it, would appear to be the complexity and presumably power draw. Still seems like it has big potential though.
Sony did it long ago, and some of their reference displays have it.
I had high hopes for this technology when it was first announced. I had envisioned a TV with a super bright mini-LED backlight, a 1080p 240Hz VA black and white LCD panel, and a 4k 120Hz IPS color LCD panel with the latest Quantum Dot color conversion layer built into the polarizer at the front of the screen. IPS panels typically offer better viewing angles and color accuracy (especially when viewed off center), while VA panels typically have less light leakage and faster response times, making each panel technology better suited for either the color filtering role or the light filtering role respectively. Assembling the two panels this way would effectively give you a 240Hz VA "backlight" that would allow for a quasi black frame insertion technique where the VA panel would always operate at double the refresh rate of the IPS panel, alternating between the image being displayed and a full black screen for better motion handling, and would even work with VRR turned on. When watching movies and other "passive" content the mini-LED backlight would also offer local dimming for the best possible contrast, but when gaming the local dimming would be turned off for lower processing latency, using just the two LCD panels to still give you deeper blacks than any typical LCD could offer with brighter highlights than any existing OLED TV is capable of. It's a shame Hisense didn't keep going with this tech and improve it further.
Holy heck. S95b is probably what you're looking for..
MiniLED caught up so quickly that it killed dual-layer LCDs on arrival because it's objectively better and from manufacturer's POV, probably a lot simpler = a lot cheaper to manufacture than dual-layer LCDs. In 2019 I would've thought dual-layer LCDs would at least have couple years before MiniLED matures and takes over but guess not :D
thats the crux of technology development, an objcetively better technology will lose to whats cheaper and more economically viable to produce.
How is it better than MiniLED? Didnt linus said that even MiniLED have blooming and haloing? although the input lag is impressive on Miniled
Damn. I was waiting for monitors to finally develop the technology for a budget-friendly reference monitor with only 4px area bleed for a 1px specular pixel on a 4K colour panel without ever having to worry about OLED burn-in. So much of my use case has scopes, timecode, and timeline that's bound to create burn-in even on the newest OLEDs.
It also doesn't help that even QD OLED dips really quickly above 10% full white window all the way down to ~200cd/m2 at 100% window.
Mini LED and dual-layer LCD are not mutually exclusive.
Mini LED describes the backlight tech, and dual-layer LCD is a panel tech.
It is not objectively better.
This is one of those videos where I feel like I shouldn't understand a word he's saying, but at this point I've watched so much LTT to the point where I understand everything.
Really really good content as always. Great breakdown on why this was already discontinued. Think I'll be holding off, though, for a projector like you shared a day or two ago. That thing was insane.
Side note: 6:32 omfg
Almost made me choke on my lunch lol
grabbed this thing when it was on sale for best buy and amazon for about a day for $1,200 USD. Absolute steal at that price. I'm not gaming on my TV. Movies/TV shows only.
"That resulted in our first sample being damaged in shipping".... It was heavy and Linus dropped it lol
To be fair though, it is very heavy
I love how you guys are still using Httyd3 as your go to movie to run on high end TVs. Suuuch a gorgous film.
It would be tempting at a much lower price. Looking at Rtings, this appears to suffer from another Hisense TV issue, which is that it can't properly take full 4k120 and has to use subsampling which makes text and details look fuzzy and wrong. Between that, ghosting and processing slowness as well as some color banding, I think it's too many caveats even for the $2000 price at 75". If you're looking at the competition, the prices aren't far off there, especially if you aren't necessarily buying right now and could wait for sales on the C2 lineup, or don't care about the evo panels and go for a discounted C1.
The tech sounds really neat; it's unfortunate it turned out to be so difficult to manufacture.
The new Samsung QD-OLED may drive prices down on LG G2 and C2 65" and lower as well, so that's worth keeping an eye on.
@@carlmclemore6104 Is it just me, or are Samsung deliberately being quiet about the new QD-OLED stuff now that it's out? I haven't seen a lot about the TV side of things, and so far for monitors it's just the Alienware getting a few reviews. I'm a bit worried that the issue with the monitor's black levels going a bit grey in a well-lit room could transfer to the TV as well and once people catch on to that, the tech has a major uphill battle to face.
@@MaskedMammal no, the reason Samsung Electronics is being quiet about the new OLED panel they purchase from Samsung Display, they don't want to undercut sales of their best 2022 LCDs that are roughly the same price as the new OLED, because it makes them obsolete.
If you want to see in depth reviews, check out "Keep It Classy Tech" and "Stop the FOMO", among others.
something I'm sure people have considered, but I haven't heard about: use an oled backlight, and lcd filter! (or I guess any ol' LCD might work too)
Awesome work guy keep it up! I would love one of those.
@One1 aww hell nah
@One1 wut
I like how the sheep dressed as a dragon on the tv appears to react to Linus saying "This is NO normal TV" 0:15
I’m really sad that they’ve discontinued it. I’ve always been a strong believer in this tech
6:31 Alright there's been a lot about that slap but _that_ was top tier.🤣
Words can't express how sad I am that this is discontinued
All the coolest displays of all time end up being discontinued before we can get one
And that remaining stock is going to faster than we can come up with 2000$
they never released it in europe :-( I so want one.. i use the sony hx310 at work and its amaaazinf
@@FinnJaeger1337 Aw man. You lucky guy.
Dating the video with that slap reference
Everytime I see Linus or someone else wearing the Short Circuit long sleeve shirt in black I keep getting reminded of a shirt I wanted and may never get because they don’t sell anymore 😔
PROS
Incredibly high contrast.
Amazing reflection handling.
Image remains accurate to a very wide angle.
CONS
Slow response time and terrible ghosting.
Colored bands in areas of uniform color.
Yo dawg, we heard you like panels...
Man the lack of intro is weird. I get you're trying to work with the algorithm and people skipping 10-20 seconds in the first minute. Hopefully the algorithm allows you to reintroduce the intro we all know and love one day.
I remember when U8G and U9DG were announced alongside that weird "Devolver Digital" like press video.
These are supposed to be absolutely next gen non-oleds, but both had quite large flaws on otherwise great TV's
Every TV has flaws really from Qled, Uled, and Oled.
@@shaneclarke329 not large flaws like these had
@@TheOnlyTwitchR6 you have to worry about burn in with Oled though. That's a big problem you can fix motion and ghosting on Uled with and update can't do that for Oled
@@shaneclarke329 Pssh. Get a 5 year warranty. And then burn in is a non-issue.
My U8G was defective out of the box. Dim circle almost the size of a dime. Tech support said "It's just a dead pixel not covered by warranty"
Casual Chris rock reference was brilliant 😂👍
1:39 I call it "moonlight" or "IPS black"
I game on a 8ms marketed VA monitor from 2011, the blurring is not that bad once you get used to it, love the high contrast thow a lot
Mini-led blooming is definitely noticeable, but only in extreme dark scenes with bright highlights. I wouldn’t say it is always noticeable to the naked eye.
It's funny that on my OLED, the halo effect you demonstrated and claimed is barely noticeable, was REALLY obvious.
I've been waiting years for this tech to become something doable and somewhat mainstream, just to see it die at its fist try, I'm not crying, you're crying!!!!
It’s such a minor thing but linus saying A L E X A instead of Alexa is a great touch. Love ya linus.
I had a u8g, 65, WARNING, it was REALLY bad for motion for some reason (I don't know if its the same with all the flagship Hisense displays, or we just had a bad one)
4k Motion looked like stop animation, it was seriously noticeable, and our Hisense u8g also had issues where the blacks would flash A LOT during panning shots.
It was honestly impossible to watch. AGAIN, I don't know if we just had a bad display.
my gf and I returned it for the Samsung QN90A, 65, and it was just so much better, it was worth it. Otherwise we were going to get the LG C1, but we were worried about burn in on the OLED and our tv room has too much natural light, making the QN90A a better fit for us.
EDIT, to Hisense credit, their smart tv menus were great, stand was really solid and of course the price was incredible.
Oled burn in isn't much of a issue unless you really plan to leave it on a static screen all day everyday. Use one for my pc n' still no issues after all this time
@@ltsmithneko I worried about us, we can be forgetful, and web (youtube) tabs being as they are, in the same position, was a concern. Also the news we watch has the same layout on screen everyday. We decided it wasn't worth the worry that our 2000$ entertainment investment would become damaged from regular use.
I was planning on trying my QN90A as a monitor on steam, haven't got around to it yet. Glad you're enjoying yours without issues :)
@@hailgod1 Oh before I forget, I even enabled the secret dev menu on the thing to try EVERYTHING before returning it.
I spent hours trying all the different settings on that TV, of which now that some time has past cannot recall those settings, with little to no improvement.
The store actually had these displays (4k Hisense u8g u9) set to STILL IMAGES on their display showcase wall. When asked to show us 4k footage with motion and panning, they couldn't. We found this odd, but didn't go off the conspiracy deep end, so I just kind of assumed they are unable to fully compete with other flagship models, and made the switch.
I'm quite certain that side by side the issues I noticed, upon comparison (to be fair with other more expensive models some of different screen technologies), would be all the more noticeable.
Hisense’s are extremely shit
yeah i have the 55 inch u8g and its been pretty bad ass but from the research ive done it seems either people got ones that where just trash or they worked like they where suppose to. it is an odd tv but if you get a nice one they are amazing gaming tvs for a way lower price.
Oh boy I can't wait to see the 10 degree view angle created by that double layer panel
Wow Linus have you finished the entire How to Train your Dragon series Yet lol
@One1 shut
@One1 haha
I just want to show my appreciation for linus spelling ALEXA instead of saying it out loud for my alexa to hear and go off
I own a Hisense Tv and it's absolutely astounding.
Mine is absolute trash.
@@nexxusty my hisense is great, what model do you have?
I gave it to someone everyone hates.
@@mamaharumi I take it back. I thought mine had an issue that yesterday I resolved.
Best part about this is when he says A-L-E-X-A as to not set off anyone's Alexa devices.
Great, another tech that I really really wanna buy but can't afford it even if it's on clearance 😅😭
F
In the sa.e boat
I own a vizio oled and I love it. It's my 1st oled and I wanted to dip my toe with oled. The amount of light in the room, the burn-in factor, and cost in general have been noted issues when considering purchase. Well I use it in my basement so the amount of light isn't an issue. Burn in isn't something I'm gonna fret over. I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. And cost. I got the 55 inch for 1000. It was 300 off the regular price. I've had it for a year and it's awesome. Hdmi 2.1 has been a game changer pun intended. I've never used a pc to game so I've not had the privilege to play games at those high frame rates. And Dolby vision is jaw dropping. Is it the best oled panel? No. Is it a great 1st time buy? Hell yeah. I'd like to see more tech tubers covet it in the future. And I'd love to own this hisense panel. Sounds awesome.
I am starting to get more curious how much or what ever it takes for Oled or what ever succeeding tech is needed to catch up what CRT's did regarding Colors and what not. I know CRT's are low res screens but in many ways are or where still ahead in color and black levels of what Today's TV's can do.
CRTs have kinda dookie black levels cause the glass isn't black. A lot had mediocre colour accuracy compared to nowadays. And all of the calibration issues meant they were massively flawed for high res content. They've been superseded for well over a decade.
@@SkipEo01 I think the phosphers also had to remain heated up too? Or is that just for plasma?
Nah. Oled is peak sdr pretty much. Crts and plasma can't display a true black.
@@helloguy8934 that's not a CRT thing, and plasma it's uh, literally the plasma staying heated lol
@@helloguy8934 CRTs can display a true 0IRE black, problem is as I mentioned, the glass isn't black. The only way to get true blacks is in a light controlled room and at that point, oled is still better for brightness. CRTs don't even break 200 nit unless they're overdriven to shit. And the ABL will kick in well before then on any modern one.
When talking about the new LTT store towels the clip scarred me for life…
Gotta at least promote the tv you wanted for your home theater before getting a projector
@One1 I DON'T KNOW, BUT I DIDN'T ASK EITHER
I was just watching HDTVTest’s latest video and it had the Sony mastering monitor in it. I wondered how Sony could make and lcd so amazing. Then I watch this. Perfect timing!
Feels like this TV will become a collector's item, shooting thousands of dollars upwards in price in a few years
That... that last AD spot was acutally interesting and helpful...
So it's like anti-aliasing, done by actual hardware.
Yes....n't...?
I remember coming up with that independently around 2018 and wondering why nobody was doing that, it seemed like an obvious approach. Then the Hisense was revealed and looked really promising, back when OLED was plagued by burn-in and Mini LED was basically non-existent on the market. Sad to see that it just isn't worth while for manufacturers, I think it's a pretty elegant solution apart from the thickness. Maybe they'll revisit it at some point, who knows. Might be interesting for monitors maybe
some inventions are futuristic, while other's don't quite make the cut. course 1080p is not a be-all measure of real-world scenario's, I'm not entirely sure.
God, I was so excited when I watched that CES video those years ago. It's truly a shame they didn't at least give it a chance at a 2nd generation of consumer versions. I would've loved to see this scale down to a more affordable price range.
6:05
Oh yes, I really want a towel now. You people are masters of marketing.
So serendipitous! I was just wondering what happened to this tech as just the other day while I was contemplating upgrading my 5 year old LG OLED. Sad to see it didn’t catch on. Only issue with Samsung’s new QD-OLED is the total lack of Dolby Vision.
Damn it I wish I saw this before I bought the Hisense U8H. But good news for me, the u9dg is still $1500 near the end of 2022, and I got a 65inch u8h for $899
Dual layer LCDs have been there for a long time but due to the cost, they are only ideal as mastering/reference monitors.
Wish they made this in smaller sizes as monitors.
I sincerely feel like there would be ways to simplify the production or adapt the concept into other LCD displays.
Perhaps having an extra layer at the bottom of the stack that updates it's monochrome image in sync with the other display layers? One signal controlling two things at the same time has been around forever.
I bought this for 1200 dollars, 75 inch. Which obviously was an insane deal. It was before they discontinued it also so i thought it was weird it was so marked down. Was at 1200 on amazon just a month ago or so, but it was only for like a day or two and then shot back up to 2 grand. The motion isnt great but ive been playing elden ring and it hasnt even bothered me. Ive gotten really far in the game and the tv hasnt held me back at all. And they did a firmware update to the ug8 for motion so hopefully the u9dg will get one too
Linus: Here's a representation of the halo effect!
Me watching this in an LCD screen: Ah yes, very good
You may be slightly incorrect about the 1080p panel being lower res than the 4k panel it’s behind. Since the pixels are monochrome they add up to the same effective resolution as 4k rgb pixels. Or at least this is what I remember from when I first heard about this technology.
One of the issues with increasing local dimming zones is the processing power required to run them. I have been saying this for the last couple years, but What I don’t get is why they couldn’t just duplicate the signal use the luminance and apply that to the backlight array. You could even just scale it similar to how they handle the overlapping panels here, but it completely mitigates the need for a second panel and deals with the low resolution blooming issues of current lcd displays.
This would be the dream screen for displaying photographs to my clients, my work is all punchy and high contrast. Can't seem to get hold of one in the UK though
You'll notice a lot of the TV Models you see featured on this channel aren't in the UK. Not just Hisense, but other companies like TCL Too.
The TVs for the European markets are typically made under license to use the brand name by other manufacturers. The product line-up is totally different and will be of wildly different quality too. There's a few flagship models that will be imported in as per the original spec but for the most part the product lineup will be different.
At a guess, you're probably best off going with one of the TP Vision/Philips OLED models provided your usage isn't likely to cause issues with screen burn. They're not the very best TV that I have seen for everyday viewing, but in terms of HDR and really picking out bright highlights and maintaining fantastic contrast and detail in the darker areas, they definitely seem to be great when comparing to the likes of LG's OLED Panels which tend to limit the max brightness a little bit too low at times to bring out the best of the picture.
@@Koda14 Thanks for the thoughtful response! No burn in concerns, just good colour when calibrated and great contrast, don't care for motion obviously when showing still images, do the LGs often lower the nits when displaying lots of white at once then?
@@chrisogrady28 Yeah that’s the biggest issue with the LG displays unfortunately. The more white areas you have, the dimmer the display will become. LG argue it’s protection, but even other brands that use LG’s panels aren’t quite so aggressive with these limits. Overall the Philips displays seem to allow the brightest overall from what I’ve seen though
Got one of these 6 months ago for $2200. Images look great however disabling motion processing like I normally would just isn't possible the ghosting evening in movies is terrible. However, I was suprised to find that enabling their motion smoothing and anit jitter made the image pretty close to great and did not induce the soap opera effect. So for me it is pretty great and the HDR is amazing as far as I am concerned.
Loved the Chris Rock’s face bit 🤣
I have a 65" U8G, and though it is not OLED, for the budget I had, it is the best TV I have ever owned. I like Hisense now despite their flaws.
I remember the original video for this! I saw it a couple of years ago, when I fell down a rabbit hole researching flat screen TVs. When you look up reviews of just about anything consumer electronics related, Linus Tech Tips is always in the search.
At this exact moment, you can get a U9DG for $2500 and free shipping. But even if I had the money - holy cow, no way would I trust the store's regular delivery guys with ninety pounds of delicate electronics.
I get it with $1199 Best Buy(same price on Amazon)as new, at 04/06/2022, the deal only last 1 day, next day price up to $1999
That's... Actually super clever.