THE JACOBITE REBELLION... OR WAS IT? Birth of James VIII and Tales from Scotlands Past
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- In THE JACOBITE REBELLION... OR WAS IT? Birth of James VIII and Tales from Scotlands Past, Scottish history tour guides Bruce Fummey explains the connection between a royal baby, the Jacobite rebellion, The Union between Scotland and England, Orangemen and Kate Middleton. Learn about Scottish history. Smile about Scottish history.
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Fantastic work 👌 There is power in education 💐
Another good one Bruce, if I had been lucky enough to have a history teacher that could bring history to life like you do, I would have passed that higher 😊. Oh, and a higher to anyone not Scottish is the equivalent to the English A-level.
I wish I'd done history, I'd feel better equipped now. Huge thanks for your support
New subscriber, binge watching your content! Love your delivery, enthusiasm, and cheeky humour. Canadian viewer that doesn't need subtitles, unless you're getting really regional and then I'm lost. Don't know exactly how your channel ended up in my algorithmic feed but very glad it did! I'm learning about Scotland and it's accessible and entertaining! Great job!
Welcome aboard!
Same here!
As a sassenach, I find this interesting and enjoyable. It reawakens memories from school history lessons, over 60 years ago. At the age of 15, I visited Scotland for a holiday. We toured many places, that fired my imagination as I lived those history lessons. The saddest was Culloden, the site of the battle where the dreams of a proud nation died.
Love your presentation style.
“Can I have friars with that” 😂😂 love it
I enjoy your delivery and content and I am happy to have found your vids. I don't ken much of the history so this is great! cheer pal!
Just love the way you tell it, keep up the history lessons, thank you
Thank you Vickie
The all night drive through baby store🤣😂🤣 I thought I made up the baby store! When the kids ask me where the new babies in the family came from I have always said they came from the baby store. They now ask me if I'm going to send them back to the baby store when I'm not happy with their behavior🤣
Just tell them you were going to but as you've lost the receipt the store wont take them back😊
@@bigblue6917😂they would absolutely fall to pieces!
Praying for Scotland's independence!
Obsessed! 😅🏴👊
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Perhaps if James VII had hung around and tried to fight for his crown, rather than run away within two seconds of hearing about William's landing, then maybe there wouldn't have been any need for a Jacobite uprising?
Who knows
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I love your videos , thanks for all you do !
This one was fantastic! Wow.
Delighted you liked it
This is incredible. I can’t believe I had no idea about any of this. I’m a Canadian with Scottish heritage (Henderson & McCance).
Calm doon. ..calm doon....excellent channel..informative and entertaining. What else can you ask for.
Much appreciated
Hi Bruce. Loyal jacobite here from Falkirk. You should get yersel along to the Royal Oak Society.
Gorgeous scenery
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This is such a good video. So informative. Seriously fun learning 🎉❤😊
Thanks man, you gave me a real smile with the way to tell the story
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That one was particularly funny. I laughed so hard. Especially at: "Calm down."
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Really enjoyed it......even the joke!
Thanks James. The comments always help keep me going
thanks always enjoyable you truly have a gift
Thanks Gary. You're a kind man
Wow, I fell down a Scottish History Tours TH-cam hole and ended up here! Great video Bruce, that's more or less how I understood the whole Jacobite thing. Though the issue of who the rightful heir to the monarchy is really a fraught issue - try to figure it out through the War f the Roses period, is the Plantagenet line through Richard III's relatives more correct? Or the fairly tenuous period before that through the Anarchy and the Baron's War and rumours of illegitimate kids getting a look in on the crown? All in all, Queen Liz's genealogy is pretty dodgy, though by law it doesn't matter as much theses days because the Parliament has to agree who the monarch is. Except in Australia (and other former colonies that still have the English Queen as their head of state), we don't have a say so have to take the English Parliament's word for it.
Most interesting, as usual!
Can't believe yt forces you to call it a rebellion when you don't think it was one! I call it the "Jacobite Uprising", but I don't know if that's better or different- I don't see it as "rebelling" against the "rightful" monarch, but the question of how you decide who's the "rightful" monarch is a difficult one. Lots have taken the throne by conquest &/or murder, but held it & passed it on to their heirs.
To be honest they don't 'force' me. It's the fact that the accepted wisdom has been so ingrained that that's what folk search for
@@ScotlandHistoryTours Ok, that makes sense. Accepted wisdom does become VERY ingrained when it comes to history- there was literally a war in my state only 200yrs ago that's been covered up so well almost no-one's heard of it, & when they do, a lot deny it as "leftie propaganda."
The Scottish Parliament passed an Act in 1676 which reserved the succession to the Scottish Throne to the male line of the Stuart dynasty, but this lawful Act of Parliament was ignored in 1689, 1701, and 1702. The Act of Union changed all of this but the Act of Union was not supported by the majority of people in Scotland or England, nor by the Scottish aristocracy. Queen Anne only got it through the Scottish Parliament by military coercion, and bribery. Many MPs never turned up for the vote on the day it was held in Edinburgh in 1707, while the population rioted in the Streets. Queen Anne needed the Union to fight France and Spain in the War of the Spanish Succession. That's the REAL reason why it was forced through both the English and Scottish parliaments.
Really interesting, especially as we live near Derby where the Jacobite advance reached its farthest into England.
Lol! Friars with that! Omg! Well done!!! Loved that!
I found your YT channel while looking for a Jacobite who was shipped to North Carolina who is in my family tree. Great content.
Thanks
I have a local interest here. Kingston upon Hull is where the English Civil War started when Charles I was refused entry. After the civil war a fortification was set up with a garrison manning it, just to make sure we were on our best behavior. The garrison commander was Catholic, as I think were some of his officers. Where as Hull was still staunchly Protestant. So when it all kicked off with James II the local population stormed the garrison and took it over. Something which was calibrated for many years.
As to who is the rightful monarch. This, I understand, will be sorted once William becomes king.
Good story. Good video.
You missed a _very_ valuable and critical point in all this. And that is the man who orchestrated and carried out the very act of deposing James II &VII, and that is William III.
The last thing William needed in the face of increasing hostility was for England to be on friendly terms with her eternal enemy, which it seems a Catholic monarch on the English throne would inevitably be. William had tried to dissuade his cousin from his pro catholic stance, and in failing that would work in the background to develop alliances and offer assurances with the protestants leading to his request of formal letter requesting his intervention in English affairs so as to not seem like he was invading England as Dutch Stadtholder and thus remove James and secure the assistance of England in the upcoming War of the Grande Alliance which would never have happened should James have remained monarch.
Lets face it mate. France was a threat to _all_ of Europe. And England at the time was a strong enough player in Europe that they could easily sway the balance of power with whomever they chose to support, which in fact became the case in the later years of the war with it being English finances funding continuations of it. It is a pity James decided to be Catholic and friendly with France, as in a time where France was increasingly power and land hungry, this could just not happen. It would be like Japan throwing their lot in with China today.
And unfortunately the 1s to get the short end of the stick out of all this were the Scots. Take it however you want, at the end of the day there are _always_ conventions for a head of state to adhere to, and for James being Catholic and friendly with France, these are 2 of those that he went against.
"Ahh know" - great moment.
Lol not sure which joke you were talking about in the beginning, there seemed be several. Enjoyed this, I can see myself talking to you for hours both of us laughing a lot.
Enjoyed this so much!!! Go away Covid cause I’d love to come visit
another good video the supplanting of James the Seventh By William and Mary omits one thing Wiliam was not only his son in law but also his nephew. while you may look at the replacement through modern eyes remember there had already been one attempt to replace James by James Duke of Monmouth Charles the Second's, probably illegitimate, son. you also make light of the religious question but need to remember that the Thirty Years War in Europe was not long over and this was a religious-based conflict and it was still a memory/fear of the earlier religious persecutions of Bloody Mary Tudor.
I've just found this and loving the presentation style even if I might now need t lie down in a darkened room to absorb it all. Still, nice to see the old "Any chance of a job (flute hand gesture); not fucking likely (cross hand gesture) reprised".
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Went to London for work.
I've just pissed myself laughing, and I'm sending you the dry cleaning bill.
Also subscribing to your channel.
My MacCorda ancestor died at
Killiecrankie. Several of his sons came to the US.
When Charles becomes King he may well choose to be George VII as Charles III may cause problems, being the assumed title of Bonnie Prince Charlie.
Princess Diana can trace her ancestry back through the illegitimate offspring of both Charles II and James II which means when William becomes king there will be a Jacobite descendant on the throne.
Hi Bruce, absolutely love your chanel.
I live in Australia and my Gaelic is not good. Could you please explain you sign off phrase and translate it for me.
Keep up the great work,
Thank you
In my shop there are mugs and T-shirts with the phrase and a translation on the product page. See what I did there. 😜 Don't' worry you'll find the translation without buying, but now you know the shop's at www.scotlandhistorytours.co.uk/shop
Hi, do you have anything on clan Graham, the Montrose line?
Coming
You’re so yourSelf 👀 a radical act, indeed
The spoonful of ‘sugar’ that helps the medicine (of learning the dreaded history) go down 😊
Bruce can u do a video on blairgowrie and Cargill leap
I don't know about that, but if you send an email to requests@scotlandhistorytours.co.uk it will be with the rest of the requests
A great video. I’ve always been fascinated by the Jacobites. I’ve fallen for the romantic view of the whole thing. I think that’s ok though, it’s history that’s what I enjoy it is all conjecture really isn’t it!? I will say that I think Lochiel’s actions are definitely in the romantic mould. He by all accounts went with his heart over his head and that something so basic as a person isn’t it? We’ve all thought with our hearts but do we all always go with it? I’m not sure! Charlie who’s most definitely been romanticised though I think he must of had some courage himself. 🙏
Ah damn I hit the thumbs up before I heard the joke that was going to make me do it
Perfect! Did you enjoy next week's video on time travel?
@@ScotlandHistoryTours I always enjoy them so yes I think I did already
I laughed at your joke Bruce!😂😂
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@@ScotlandHistoryTours you’ll be happy to know it was a spontaneous a laugh as you could expect!😂 Am really enjoying your videos man 💯🏴
Well done Bruce, a tricky subject presented with your usual good humour and insight. It's no wonder so many of us are sick fed up with this stuff we call religion; the poison is not merely social or political, it drips through the very laws we're subject to.
Aye, whadya do though
@@ScotlandHistoryTours Get on with life.
Thumbs up,then listen 👍👍
"Calm doon!" loool
0:44 I thought you were talking about 2020 in the U.S.
Lightbulb moment! We always do this. The losers are the rebels, even when they're technically not. (Starwars being an exception.)
The real question is was the drive through baby shop MacDonalds or MacStarbucks?
Merry Christmas Bruce to you and yours.
One opening near you soon
Jazz.....Nice!
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How can I learn about the Ross clan? Did they have any part in the rebellions?
A bit of a link here th-cam.com/video/PL6mZIGQz_M/w-d-xo.html
@@ScotlandHistoryTours Ach, go raibh mile maigh agat! As you Gaelge cousins across the short water would say. I’m both.
Watching this in the spring of 2021,and your opening sounds eerily like a description of the current Conservative government. "Those who ignore their history are destined to repeat it." Spooky.
Dinnae get me started😤
Just saw your video now. Excellent video. Nobody talks about the 1676 Scottish Act of Succession which reserved the succession to the Scottish Throne to the MALE line of the House of Stuart. So James VII was legally king of Scotland till his death in 1701, thereafter his son James VIII was the lawful king of Scotland. The succession of William of Orange, Mary II and Anne, was all unlawful in terms of the 1676 Act of the Scottish Parliament. The deposition of James VII by a Scottish Convention in 1689 was also unlawful. James VII had written in his Last Will and Testament that Scotland "should be forever separated from England, and governed by her own laws and constitutions". The Stuarts were Dual Monarchists, not Unionists, a policy which contributed to their loss of support within the British armed forces. The French king Louis XV abandoned the Stuarts, which killed any hopes of a restoration. This is the real reason why Prince Charles Stuart's campaign failed. He realized how much he needed the French after Culloden. When he was abandoned by the French king, he turned to drink to deal with his failure to secure his dynasty's restoration.
That first question I thought you were asking about politics here in the U.S.
New subscriber here. My last name is Dunlap. Do you know of it's origin? If not where can I get accurate information?
They don’t like it Captain Mainwearing! They don’t like it!
I wasn’t expecting dads army references in a Jacobite Revolution video.
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Hey
I just learned that the late Queen Elizabeth II was descended from King Robert II. So you have had a Scot on the throne for 70 yrs
I've got a video about how Scottish the Royal Family are coming out soon
I found out that the Scottish heir is still around living abroad. It’s from the line of the Stuart’s a direct descendant.
I ken, but they're no comin back
@@ScotlandHistoryTours Maybe they could be persuaded lol We can still drink to the king over the water . Ha ha ha
As I understand it, if Kate's husband William succeeds his Granny as William V, he'll restore the Stewart's to the throne. His mom having been a Spencer.
The late Queen was also a Stewart, descended from James 1 and 6, so William has a double line of Stewart ancestors. What matters most is that the Royal Martyr's blood will sit on the throne again.
Hello, I was wondering if you have done any videos of the Scottish who were banished to the West Indies, Barbados in particular ? The story goes " JOHN EDWARD GILL was born Before 1730 in Perth, Scotland, and died 1758-1821 in Barbados, BWI. He married JANET STEWART 1st June 1746 in Edinburgh Parish, Midlothian, Scotland. John Edward Gill may have been a Laird of District of Perth, Scotland and was of the MacDonald Clan. He fought with the Stuart Pretender, Bonnie Prince Charlie at Preston Pans in 1745, Falkirk and Culloden in 1746. It is posssible he was banished with his brother William to Barbados in 1750. In either case, they lived in Barbados & there are many Gill descendants still there. It is believed that Gill is a variation of their original surname.
The revocation of the Edict of Nantes in 1685 meant a stream of Huguenot refugees to England with horror stories to tell, and this did not do King James II's cause any good, notwithstanding his own claim to favour religious tolerance. The Jacobite cause died with Charles in 1788, and his brother Henry entered the Church and sold the sapphire he had to the Hanoverians. One thing Henry Stuart failed to do was to sign the Act of Union in 1800, which may be interpreted as desired. Their subsequent heirs retained the claim of being Heir General of King Charles I, but did not take things any further. One Heir General was German commander on the Somme. The current Heir General, Franz Wittelsbach, is presumably entitled to walk through the main gates at Traquair House. Can he bring his boyfriend along? By contrast, the Hanoverians breed like rabbits, and that is their main claim to the monarchy. We won't ever be troubled by a succession crisis.
Hi Bruce, i'm confused about my Clan, The MacFarlane's from the highlands ...were they Jacobites ? is that why they are not catholics anymore either ? Weren't they originally a Gaelic Clan ? ??
The man you want for clan history is Clint over at Clans podcast
@@ScotlandHistoryTours Thanks . Love your channel !
totally agree i'm from van diemans land born and bred
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THE MODERN STEWART MOTTO
🙏🙏🙏"CAHM DUNN"🙏🙏🙏
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Mostly likely, William of Orange asked the 7 to invite him to take the crown. He already tried, and failed to get Charles to bypast James.
One way or another there was skulduggery
TBH I blame the marketing department. 'Jacobite Uprising/Regellion' gives a different spin to this story than 'Resistance to Hannovarian Coup'. It's not about Taigs and Jaffas, it's about a military-backed power-change.
Indeed
@@ScotlandHistoryTours Can you take a swing at the story of the sabotaged post-boxes? Family rumour has it that my deceased great-uncle 'Big Jock' may have been involved as he worked at the Ardeer 'Dinnamitt' (former Nobel/ICI munitions factory) back in those days...
Times very much like today...
I think you're starting to see the light.
I have no idea what this means
Your vids should be shown to kids at school
I'd better stop swearing then
@@ScotlandHistoryTours haha do a Macleod clan vid when you get a chance
Can I get friars with that... LOLZ😆
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if the Stewarts weren't fuds they may still be on the British throne, and anyway they were of Norman decent so in essence they were foreigners on the Scottish throne.
Oh dear
Absolutely brilliant Bruce, 🏴
Thank you sir
I like my fryers salty...
Literally what I'm watching happen here in the states with political party just minus the baby lol with your opening explanation of the video one is selling us out and the other is conspiracy
Hmmmmm🙄 I'm not entirely sure that's what 'literally' means, but let me not interfere in your grief
@@ScotlandHistoryTours yeah a bad figure of speech I only meant how you first explained it sounded familiar to what I see happening here on the News anymore it's too bad but no interference in my grief 😂 I'm not very good at conveying what I mean I'm still learning
Aye, the world's a messy place right enough. It was then, it is now and, ye ken what, I reckon it will be in the future. Humans is the problem ye see
Friars with that.
Boo!🤣🤣
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Not hard to imagine lol
Tell it like it is
What would the world look like today if the Stewart line had continued. Maybe a French Canada or even a French America, certainly India would be continent of feuding states. Hell Australia might have become a Spanish or Dutch. A Catholic England would have been very subservient to France i.e. Napoleon and the pope. History is very interesting. What if ?
Nobody knows
Kate Middleton has Tudor ancestry!
Sounds like the 2021 election here in the states😎
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Jah Caledonia
order of scottish independence do?
Earth is demonstrably level contained and motionless AND space doesn't even exist!
Are you trying to say that this tiny atom in my fingernail could be a whole solar system ?
@@ScotlandHistoryTours My good fellow, "Space vacuum" doesn't /can't exist. Why are you assuming "it" does? 😎
If space vacuum doesn't exist then how can they hoover the International Space Station ghen? Huh, you feel pretty stupid now don't you.
@@ScotlandHistoryTours The "international space station" ?? Lol Please grow up. Do you still believe in Santa Claus too?? 😁lol
Yes. The 'Glorious Revolution' was the last successful invasion of Britain. And by the way, the friars were made by the chip monk.
I bet they got battered
Forgot a tidbit. Jacobite rebellions were Nobles stirring up the peasants so nobles can steal land from other nobles. Example: Martha Standridge is the great grand to Henry VIII. Later, Martha married George Washington; the first president of the States. Jacobite revolutionaries, "HEY YOU"RE A FRAUD".
A bigger fraud; Irish Lairds stirring up the peasants to steal land from other Irish Lairds. Jacobite Eire; yes, you are the wise ones. Who owns Eire land this day? Legacy Eire Lairds. YOU'RE BALMY AND QUITE THE FOOL!
Yes. But the Catholic Stuart line died out childless when Cardinal Henry died in 1807, and the closest claimant would have been the current royal family. So a moot point now
... and if you went back and shot Hitler?
WRONG WRONG , duke franz on baravia[ 90 years old] is the closet claimant , when henry died in 1807 ,charles of sardinia was the next claimant , charles the 4th ,this branch can trace its lineage too charles the 1st .....so the present royal family ARE frauds
My question is; why? 😢 Weren’t both sides Worshipping the same Heavenly Father? Really confusing and sad.
Love it. Love your work. But I reckon you are more of a “monarchist” than me. What is the “rightful” king in your mind? Surely, our modern constitutional monarchy gets it right. The King is whom the people ask for. An hereditary republic. Parliament - representing those who are taxed, got to choose the king the people wanted. I’m all in favour of that. And that’s what we have. When the Monarch dies, Parliament decides again. Hence we call it the Glorious Revolution. It was the end of tyranny and the beginning of arguably the most successful constitutional solution the human race has ever seen when seen in light of the human flourishing over an extended period, inherited by a vast quantity of humanity on every continent, both republics and monarchies that were birthed as a result. Not always pretty, not always smooth - but probably a utility that outweighs any alternative your “rightful” king might have produced.
It's an arrogance to take the jacobite rebellions out of any context with what was going on in the rest of Europe at the time.
The Rebellion was funded mainly by the French. (OK so the 1740s one was also partially directly funded through French profits from the smuggling gangs of the South East of England). But a civil war in Britain would divert British military from involvement in the wider European conflict - where, at the time Britain was a major ally of the habsburgs against the French. Had it succeeded beyond Derby, the Alliances would have changed.
But crucially, Britain had to divert troops away from the Netherlands, leading to the French victory at Fortenoy and souring of Anglo Dutch relations.
The Duchess of Sussex may be 'hot' like a chav strutting an alley, but despite being the 'icon of social integration' by mere virtue of mixed-race heritage, she comes across as a royal *'drama queen'* when adressing 'Her Struggle' to 'black millionaire' Oprah Winfrey in US telli.
Which doesn't help her case of being as _'legit'_ as George of Hannover when it comes to royal succession in the British Isles.
The Duchess of Cambridge, by the way, was well satirized in Mike Bartlett's 'Charles the III.' : the personification of being _posh_ .
None of them will do when it comes to maintaining the Union of the Crowns - or even the peace among the 'English'.
*When Westminster falls in **_populist uprisings_** , it's puppets will be entangled by mere association* .
*Monarchs rise on battlefields due to the **_grace of god_* - not by sophisticated acts of parliaments.
I stand up for her.
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"I stand up for her."
*Signalling virtue* on behalf of _celebrity_ .
Dukes lead armies through _misery_ , not bourgeois disinformation campaigns for a nation in decline or the weather.
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I hope you know what you mean.
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"I hope you know what you mean."
I mean what I mean.
You are the one who is pretentious.
@@christophmahler I will admit to being pretentious if it means disliking women.
You might know her, but I am just a commoner.
Can I imagine . . . Selling the country out? You tell. I’m from the US.
The Scottish King James VI became King James II due to the Union, then just over 200 years late along came another Elizabeth so due to the Union she became Elizabeth the "II" .... Oh..... hang on, something wrong there.....
I think there's a bit of confusion here, but thanks for joining in
@@ScotlandHistoryTours Don't mind me, just rambling, just like Ireland, Scotland came off as unequal partners in the Union. Really enjoying your videos.
😂😂aye the UK suddenly became England again
@@angussoutter7824 Exactly
“Could you imagine a time…” I live in US… no imagining about it, unfortunately, including propaganda with outright lies.
haha...do you want friars with that
You could have been describing politics today.
Exactement
Christianity is so much fun