Bought this yesterday, looks really fun! I hope you do give it a whirl via a Let's Play, I always enjoy seeing the mechanics play out (plus I can point my mates at your vids which will make explaining the rules to them way easier!) Anyway, glad you reviewed it, I've been a fan of Uncle Atom's channel since I got back into gaming and actually discovered GMG and your games through watching it - so the circle is complete!
I'm so happy you have the game! As a collector of skirmish games (self contained, indie games in particular) I got it immediately but I NEED to see you play it 😁
Thanks for the read though Ash. I would love to see a 3-way interview with Vince & Uncle and have a designer's commentary chat, similar to your Blaster conversations.
Nice. Antediluvian Miniatures has a Aleister Crowley mini and a line of Medieval Demons based on historical illustrations (Dürer, Livre de la Vigne, etc.) that might be fun to play this with.
What I love about our hobby is there's Tabletop games for almost everything. I never wanted Daemon models but I could quite happily pick up a couple of box of Tzeentch Horrors to play this.
This game reminds me a lot of a game from the 90s called Inferno. Inferno used 50mm, 28mm, 15mm, and 6mm/tokens to fight out battles between the various nobles of hell. You lord was 50mm, his lieutenants 28mm, sergeants were 15mm, and the masses of souls were 6mm. I never got to play it but the premise of Reign in Hell made me immediately flash back to that game.
Reminds me of Inferno, a thematically similar minis game from Global Games Company that came out in 1996. Long gone now, but memorable enough to stick in my head all these years. The game was hypothetically 6mm scale IIRC, with each player having an Archdevil the size of a Warlord titan, lesser demons about an inch tall as supporting troops, and massed hordes of completely expendable minor demons and lost souls and whatnot that were 6mm infantry size. So, diabolic kaiju gaming, more or less. Company was probably better known for Legions of Steel, a scifi game akin to Space Hulk or the modern Kill Team rules. Wonder how familiar Ash is with their stuff - GGG was a Canadian company, after all.
Played some Inferno back in the day. It had some novel ideas. I saw LoS had a relaunch lately. I wonder if RAFM or Global still have the Inferno molds because they were great models. Actually the LoS Machine would make great Techno-Demons.
@@raincoast_bear Yeah, I saw the LoS relaunch myself. Surprising, but maybe it'll get some traction. The figs were a bit hit-or-miss but nostalgia for chunky 90s sculpts seems to be pretty high these days if the Oldhammer and Warzone community is any indicator. Inferno was innovative, but it didn't seem to catch the same level of interest as LoS. AFAIK Global is long out of business - not sure where the guys doing the LoS game got the masters from. Could be RAFM has had them sitting in the warehouse all these years. Lost Minis says the European branch of the company briefly gave the GG molds and rights to Amazon Miniatures in 2002, but they reverted back in 2004.
Finally some love for the underdog D12! Chessex and Koplow do sell multi packs of matching D12s. For 3D printers I can recommend Printable Scenery’s great “Demon Scenery” STLs; Forbidden Prints just ended a KS today and that “Resistance of Darkness” collection may be available on My Mini Factory sometime in the near future.
Thanks for going through the game in depth, I ordered this right away. Great price, seemingly simplified mechanics with plenty of Chaos and change, a campaign narrative, and the freedom to craft your own kabal. One of the few wargames I'm willing to try and thinking I will really enjoy. One request for these videos, if you could approach it more for a player that doesn't play 40k or other similar big wargames, for example explaining some of the dice rolls was a bit fast and jumped around I think assuming the audience is familiar. Many of your viewers probably are, but I really do enjoy the example style explanations you give in some other videos. Liked the video regardless and love watching your detailed explanations, just my thoughts! Thanks for the content!
GMG + Uncle Atom = Fun! Dark Matter Studio and Black Magic Craft have both done really cool videos on making disturbing hellish terrain. This could make a great fun Chaos Champion game too; just reskinning the daemons as mortal champions in the Chaos Wastes.
@@manjr Yeah, his Torment terrain set is spot on. Gert from Darkmatter Studio has made some really unpleasant hellish terrain with bones and squished baby doll faces, and ears... so, so many ears. :D
I love this game idea. From playing Stargrave and other skirmish games I have a huge bestiary (100+ figures) and now I have a way to play them as the main characters in the game -- cool!
For multiplayer the initiative rolls could just be recorded on scrap paper for each player (in the case that d12 are too difficult to come by). That way it's recorded safely and clearly for each player. I have a erasable board on my wall that would work great as well since it can be reset for each round. Think chalk board or dry erase board, just less messy.
Could you do an "it came from the studio" or blaster round table on the merits/pros&cons of different die mechanics, i.e. opposed die, d6based d20based. Why you think you would choose one over the other? Is it a math thing, interaction, cost (everyone has a d6) or purely nostalgic ?
Would love to see this. When Beyond the Gates of Antares came out it had a lot of my Bolt Action and 40k group talking about how using D10's really adds granularity to stat lines. Similar subject I see Frost/StarGrave getting a lot of flack for being too simple of a D20 system (though I suppose a seperate "to wound" roll instead of just the opposed roll off that damages either fighter would help that, and give weapons and fighters an extra stat or two)
Awesome review, looks like it’ll be a fun game and quick to get started. Like the D12 activations, reminds me of a ‘Mercs’ mechanic which I think is great. Tzeench, Nurgle, and Flesh Eater Court models come to mind right away but the Cursed City set has some cool options, especially the grave digger.
Looks like a cool game, i love thinking about all the cool modeling projects i come up with when you do reviews like this. wish i had someone to play these games with.
I think I will play this game with 40k ork models since I have almost no demons. Since there are no weapons/equipment on the models there is no issue I think.
if youre strapped for cash, wargame vault has tons of good looking papercraft demon and monster minis and terrain like ruined buildings/walls/trees you can buy for a buck and print on your home printer
I bought this mostly out of general interest and because the price point was attractive. I'm going to give it a whirl even though I'm generally really not into the warband campaign style of games.
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Thanks for the review! Likely to pull the trigger and pick this up. Am right in remembering another indy ruleset depicting war in Hell from about 10 - 15 years back? (I thought I bought a copy, but can I find it? Oh, nooo...) I'm ruminating over using this game as a basis for another setting of spiritual warfare; The 'War in Heaven' which led to Satan and all his angry emo pals getting kicked downstairs. There's a lot of angelic minis out there right now... hmmmm...
@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames Yes - but no! It's not Helldorado (although that's a worthy nominee) I'm thinking of. Little A5 format book, b&w illustrations. Dammit! Have to dig it up now, or no sleep for me.
wonderboy2402 We are still seeing the D12 price driven mostly by momentum and speculation. There's a level of popular hysteria in the price at the moment, which I think suggests the rally we've seen in the past fortnight is on shaky ground. Are we heading for a D12 crash a la 2018? My personal view is I think we'll see a correction in price that will see D12s drop sharply then stabilise at around 50p in the next few weeks to months. Now might be the time to invest in BitDice a small but growing cryptodice rolling system.
I understand that the D12 initiative/activation mechanic is really interesting or appealing to a lot of folks, but can we discuss it real briefly? It strikes me as inelegant and clunky - you said "fiddly with more than two players," but I just think it's fiddly in general. Is there another mechanism that could be used to determine activation order? A custom mini-card deck maybe? Just can't wrap my head around what might work in a similar manner, but doesn't require comparing upwards of 20 D12s.
There are municipalities named Hell in Michigan, California (although that one's abandoned AFAIK), the Cayman Islands, and Norway. Not sure if any of them regulate page layouts and graphic design that way, though. The one in Michigan does, in fact, freeze over pretty regularly.
@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames I wondered what you meant by that, too. I literally didn’t even remember about that Warcry band. I’ve only been focusing on AoS warbands for my Warcry stuff. When I wrote that fluff, I was trying to come up with a name for a demon that would sound kinda pathetic, and Splintered Fang was the first thing that popped in my head. Maybe we’ll need to change it just to be sure. Thanks!
Thanks for the review sir, hope you enjoy it and we appreciate greatly you taking a look. :)
Bought this yesterday, looks really fun! I hope you do give it a whirl via a Let's Play, I always enjoy seeing the mechanics play out (plus I can point my mates at your vids which will make explaining the rules to them way easier!) Anyway, glad you reviewed it, I've been a fan of Uncle Atom's channel since I got back into gaming and actually discovered GMG and your games through watching it - so the circle is complete!
I'm so happy you have the game! As a collector of skirmish games (self contained, indie games in particular) I got it immediately but I NEED to see you play it 😁
Would love to see your take on a warband for Reign in Hell! Did anything in particular speak to or inspire you as a painter?
What are some good ones to try for someone that's only played AOS, Warcry, and SW Legion?
Thanks for the read though Ash. I would love to see a 3-way interview with Vince & Uncle and have a designer's commentary chat, similar to your Blaster conversations.
Nice. Antediluvian Miniatures has a Aleister Crowley mini and a line of Medieval Demons based on historical illustrations (Dürer, Livre de la Vigne, etc.) that might be fun to play this with.
Really nifty line of minis, those.
What I love about our hobby is there's Tabletop games for almost everything. I never wanted Daemon models but I could quite happily pick up a couple of box of Tzeentch Horrors to play this.
Doesn’t specifically have to be demons. I chose Greek Gods/Creatures that are darker for mine. Demons take on many forms ;)
@@ka1amity433 That's actually a great idea!
I have a load of old Citadel metal Chaos warriors I've had since I was a teen back in the 80's, this looks like I might have a use for'em :)
This game reminds me a lot of a game from the 90s called Inferno. Inferno used 50mm, 28mm, 15mm, and 6mm/tokens to fight out battles between the various nobles of hell. You lord was 50mm, his lieutenants 28mm, sergeants were 15mm, and the masses of souls were 6mm. I never got to play it but the premise of Reign in Hell made me immediately flash back to that game.
Nice! I was hoping you would get a copy of this game!
I was hoping the same
Reminds me of Inferno, a thematically similar minis game from Global Games Company that came out in 1996. Long gone now, but memorable enough to stick in my head all these years. The game was hypothetically 6mm scale IIRC, with each player having an Archdevil the size of a Warlord titan, lesser demons about an inch tall as supporting troops, and massed hordes of completely expendable minor demons and lost souls and whatnot that were 6mm infantry size. So, diabolic kaiju gaming, more or less.
Company was probably better known for Legions of Steel, a scifi game akin to Space Hulk or the modern Kill Team rules. Wonder how familiar Ash is with their stuff - GGG was a Canadian company, after all.
Played some Inferno back in the day. It had some novel ideas. I saw LoS had a relaunch lately. I wonder if RAFM or Global still have the Inferno molds because they were great models. Actually the LoS Machine would make great Techno-Demons.
@@raincoast_bear Yeah, I saw the LoS relaunch myself. Surprising, but maybe it'll get some traction. The figs were a bit hit-or-miss but nostalgia for chunky 90s sculpts seems to be pretty high these days if the Oldhammer and Warzone community is any indicator.
Inferno was innovative, but it didn't seem to catch the same level of interest as LoS. AFAIK Global is long out of business - not sure where the guys doing the LoS game got the masters from. Could be RAFM has had them sitting in the warehouse all these years. Lost Minis says the European branch of the company briefly gave the GG molds and rights to Amazon Miniatures in 2002, but they reverted back in 2004.
Finally some love for the underdog D12! Chessex and Koplow do sell multi packs of matching D12s. For 3D printers I can recommend Printable Scenery’s great “Demon Scenery” STLs; Forbidden Prints just ended a KS today and that “Resistance of Darkness” collection may be available on My Mini Factory sometime in the near future.
Thanks for going through the game in depth, I ordered this right away. Great price, seemingly simplified mechanics with plenty of Chaos and change, a campaign narrative, and the freedom to craft your own kabal. One of the few wargames I'm willing to try and thinking I will really enjoy. One request for these videos, if you could approach it more for a player that doesn't play 40k or other similar big wargames, for example explaining some of the dice rolls was a bit fast and jumped around I think assuming the audience is familiar. Many of your viewers probably are, but I really do enjoy the example style explanations you give in some other videos. Liked the video regardless and love watching your detailed explanations, just my thoughts! Thanks for the content!
I really like this aged and refined Ash we have been blessed with. The older Ash in the outro is amazing, but current Ash is something else.
Just when I had a dwarf of Mid-Nor on my painting table, after years of neglecting them, this video pops up. What a "coincidence"!
I see fellow gentelmen of great taste. Long live Confrontation.
GMG + Uncle Atom = Fun!
Dark Matter Studio and Black Magic Craft have both done really cool videos on making disturbing hellish terrain.
This could make a great fun Chaos Champion game too; just reskinning the daemons as mortal champions in the Chaos Wastes.
BMC's hell terrain came immediately to mind when reading the rules.
@@manjr Yeah, his Torment terrain set is spot on. Gert from Darkmatter Studio has made some really unpleasant hellish terrain with bones and squished baby doll faces, and ears... so, so many ears. :D
I love this game idea. From playing Stargrave and other skirmish games I have a huge bestiary (100+ figures) and now I have a way to play them as the main characters in the game -- cool!
For multiplayer the initiative rolls could just be recorded on scrap paper for each player (in the case that d12 are too difficult to come by). That way it's recorded safely and clearly for each player. I have a erasable board on my wall that would work great as well since it can be reset for each round. Think chalk board or dry erase board, just less messy.
Yup, it's just intiative.
Just picked it up myself, very excited to play!
Could you do an "it came from the studio" or blaster round table on the merits/pros&cons of different die mechanics, i.e. opposed die, d6based d20based. Why you think you would choose one over the other? Is it a math thing, interaction, cost (everyone has a d6) or purely nostalgic ?
Would love to see this. When Beyond the Gates of Antares came out it had a lot of my Bolt Action and 40k group talking about how using D10's really adds granularity to stat lines. Similar subject I see Frost/StarGrave getting a lot of flack for being too simple of a D20 system (though I suppose a seperate "to wound" roll instead of just the opposed roll off that damages either fighter would help that, and give weapons and fighters an extra stat or two)
This would be really fascinating. Make sure you get some math nerds on there to explain it to the numerically challenged of us. :)
Awesome review, looks like it’ll be a fun game and quick to get started. Like the D12 activations, reminds me of a ‘Mercs’ mechanic which I think is great. Tzeench, Nurgle, and Flesh Eater Court models come to mind right away but the Cursed City set has some cool options, especially the grave digger.
Looks like a cool game, i love thinking about all the cool modeling projects i come up with when you do reviews like this. wish i had someone to play these games with.
I was gonna message you later to check this out. My work here is done! 😋
Can't wait for the Lets Play videos!
Stoked for this - finally going to get to put those sweet Doom the Board game demons to good use!
Been contemplating buying this book! Be great to see a play through to see how it plays!
Love a good indy game. I feel that indy games are pushing our hobby forward.
I think I will play this game with 40k ork models since I have almost no demons. Since there are no weapons/equipment on the models there is no issue I think.
Been waiting all day for this 😁 knew you'd be right onto it
Haha!thought the same!
Ordered straight away. Fancy picking up some of the Frostgrave Demon models for this
Suggested to use as "Armoured Demon" minions.
I just added this to my shopping list last night.
You could also use dnd demon or devil miniatures given theres a huge range of such things
if youre strapped for cash, wargame vault has tons of good looking papercraft demon and monster minis and terrain like ruined buildings/walls/trees you can buy for a buck and print on your home printer
Elegant, versitile game!
My local game store has a trough full of polyhedral dice, pick and mix style. d12s won't be a problem \m/
"...and the accrual of soles."
So they're a bunch of evil shoemakers?
I'm so excited to play this game... Already got a buddy who's down to try it :)
I appreciate the big Lebowski reference:)
Got my copy of reign in hell:) I love this indie stuff:)
Wow, D12 is rather interesting choice! I really want to see a battle rep about this.
Sounds great and right up my alley. Ordered!
I like the "Kill the leader" rule!
Are you going to do a lets play?
I’ll put it in the queue and see if someone bites!
+1 for a let's play!!!!
Cool game! I bought it when it came out. Also got the solo expansion!
Waiting for the re-introduction of physical copies.
Nice Lebowski reference, dude.
The dude abides
I bought this mostly out of general interest and because the price point was attractive. I'm going to give it a whirl even though I'm generally really not into the warband campaign style of games.
This game has looks cool. Definitely has a metal vibe
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Go with Lost and The Damned.... You damn kids- GET OFF MY LAWN!!!
Will you be doing Battle Reports for Reign in Hell?
Nice review as always : =
You could use a deck of cards for initiative
Like Dead Mans Hand.
If someone have a lot of d20s/spindowns they could row a d12 7 to 10 times and record the results with the d20s
Thanks for the review! Likely to pull the trigger and pick this up. Am right in remembering another indy ruleset depicting war in Hell from about 10 - 15 years back? (I thought I bought a copy, but can I find it? Oh, nooo...)
I'm ruminating over using this game as a basis for another setting of spiritual warfare; The 'War in Heaven' which led to Satan and all his angry emo pals getting kicked downstairs. There's a lot of angelic minis out there right now... hmmmm...
Helldorado!
@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames Yes - but no! It's not Helldorado (although that's a worthy nominee) I'm thinking of. Little A5 format book, b&w illustrations. Dammit! Have to dig it up now, or no sleep for me.
Is this inspired by hell dorado in some way ?
You gonna play this game Ash?
It’s in the queue!
@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames can’t wait! Great sounding game and supporting TH-cam community too.
Aww shit man. I forgot my wallet. Can I borrow a couple souls off you?
Do you already have some demons to field?
VE BELIEVE IN NOSING LABOWSKI! NOSING!!!!
This is just a ploy by bigdice to sell you D12s, wake up sheeple
Why buy D12s? Just glue two D6s together.
D20 and D6 have always been safe haven dice assets. Right now the premiums are high on both along with scarcity. Perfect time to buy D12. God’s dice.
wonderboy2402 We are still seeing the D12 price driven mostly by momentum and speculation. There's a level of popular hysteria in the price at the moment, which I think suggests the rally we've seen in the past fortnight is on shaky ground. Are we heading for a D12 crash a la 2018? My personal view is I think we'll see a correction in price that will see D12s drop sharply then stabilise at around 50p in the next few weeks to months.
Now might be the time to invest in BitDice a small but growing cryptodice rolling system.
d12's are legitimately the best dice to roll.
I understand that the D12 initiative/activation mechanic is really interesting or appealing to a lot of folks, but can we discuss it real briefly? It strikes me as inelegant and clunky - you said "fiddly with more than two players," but I just think it's fiddly in general. Is there another mechanism that could be used to determine activation order? A custom mini-card deck maybe? Just can't wrap my head around what might work in a similar manner, but doesn't require comparing upwards of 20 D12s.
You seem less excited about this than Forbidden Psalm... is it the punk design aesthetic?
Could this be played solo?
Apparently there is a single scenario that can be played solo in the book according to Uncle Atoms Q&A live stream.
Was this a review or a book reading?
Hell is an actual place - its that place were they use 4-6 different font sizes on one page.
There are municipalities named Hell in Michigan, California (although that one's abandoned AFAIK), the Cayman Islands, and Norway. Not sure if any of them regulate page layouts and graphic design that way, though. The one in Michigan does, in fact, freeze over pretty regularly.
No, I don't get it. What is the interesting thing about Splinter Fang?
They’re a Warcry faction and the game used Warcry boards. www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Warcry-The-Splintered-Fang-2019
@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames thank you, I thought I was missing some deep lore there but it's just cheeky designer jokes.
@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames I wondered what you meant by that, too. I literally didn’t even remember about that Warcry band. I’ve only been focusing on AoS warbands for my Warcry stuff. When I wrote that fluff, I was trying to come up with a name for a demon that would sound kinda pathetic, and Splintered Fang was the first thing that popped in my head. Maybe we’ll need to change it just to be sure. Thanks!
@@tabletopminions Broketooth? Shattered Fang? Toothless? Gum Devil? :)
Only the religiously devout downloaded this !
Table size is a total irrelevance.
A game about demons and Hell? Why would anyone want to play something like this.
Because it looks cool as hell! \m/
No Solo = No Buy
Free solo supplement coming soon!
@@CurrentKick Great News, Thank you
It also has one solo scenario to begin with called Beast Hunt. And you can always just play as both sides to build the story.