It kinda not surprising that the Legion would be losing on their own ending vs winning on the NCR ending because the game is design so the courier would be the main damage dealer. This is the reason that in-game action shouldn't alway be the indication of how the lore actually pan out because what happen in game and their goofy ai and game design doesn't alway translate well to the story.
@@MyDogDoingStuffIGnah shields wouldn’t hold up against bullets. Armor effectively doesn’t weigh that much if it’s distributed right but a shield isn’t like that. They need to close the gap FAST or they will be screwed. Shields were already pointless by the time we invented platemail. After the invention of guns armors just there to protect against shrapnel. Even modern US body armor breaks to absorb the hit. In theory if they had bullet-proof shields for a proper shield wall it’d be good but no such shields exist in lore.
So what we learn from both videos is that the game is basically designed in such a way that courier carries the battle to make it more challenging for the player.
With the Courier long dead at the hands of Bennie, the Legion won the second battle of Hoover dam, the Legion after their victory, cut the needed power to the NCR, crippling most of their growing nation, Vegas wasent that much better, when the Legion cut the power, Vegas shining lights went dark and with no power the remaining Sceuratrons on he strip without charging ports all powered down, leaving Vegas unprotected to the Legion assault.
You should do this again but give both sides their respective ranks in addition for each of their respective endings units that way not one side has an immediate advantage over the other
If legion won the second battle for Hoover Damb and brotherhood wasn't destroyed the Legion manages to do it as the ending says. It can be interesting to see how they push them from recently taken back Helios One and then their bunker.
they wont. BOS bunker has only one entrance. They dont even need infiltrate it. Just blow the entrance so it would caved in and station several raiding parties to check if BOS got out.
@thewatcher3182 I wasn't clear enough. I meant Legion will cave in the BOS bunker, not that they won't win. In legion endings, it's stated that Cesar is warry of boomers and enclave squad and orders to leave them alone/not pursue them. But in the case of brotherhood, they are very dangerous to fight on their terms, so they'll cave in the bunker and hellious 1 (assuming BOS conquer it) they'll have to attack as soon as possible.
bro I have a question for you, when I spawn legat lanius after I beat him he didn't died, he just takes a nap, and then fight with me again, what I have to do to kill him
Hello guy, i dont know if youll see this comment but i love the content since im on a ps4 which can barely do any mods lol,, great to see, please keep it up!
So it seems that in both scenarios ncr and legion both kill the enemy commander but get push back to their original positions so in both time lines with out the courier both factions won't hold the Dam
That’s more gameplay purposes than anything, also this channel making a narrative out of it. The Narrative of the story/lore basically shows the NCR is set up to lose the Second battle, with the countless problems they’re dealing with and the preparation the Legion has done.
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Coming in to give a idea I got thanks to a video Radking put out today. How about a battle royale between the snipers in that list? (Barring the Fallout 4 characters, sad to say)
Could you PLEASE recreate Boone killing his wife and not killing all the legionaries that were surrounding her bc I know deep down bone could’ve saved her
I mean man Without courier they have to many fronts Like fiends And khans supporting the legion Without fiends and khans i think the ncr could have a chance of a phyrric Victory
@@ArtoriusGryphon sounds like the the legion got bodied by snipers so they had to chase them not releasing it's a trap. Shame that the legion doesn't believe in training long range fighters 😌
@@ArtoriusGryphon The Legion having bad commanders is an inherent problem. Because they select them by strength, not strategic acumen. As the ending slides where Caesar is dead demonstrate, Lanius is frankly even less intelligent than Graham.
Legion is absolutely set up to win 2nd battle if you are going off lore. I'm not going to bother listing why, anyone who has played the game knows this is true simply by quest design. I like house ending best but pretending NCR has a chance at 2nd battle is willful ignorance
@@blinkyy1088 if I remember correctly the legion side of Hoover dam will lose without courier assistance because of the snipers once they get topside of the Damn they're pinned down 🫠🫠
wtf is this? The AI is in such favor to ceasers legion is embarrassing and unbalanced. While legions on search and destroy the ncr just stands there and doesn’t bother chasing or even shooting half the time. Do better.
You say that but a lot of the Legions losses happen when melee guys run up to enemies and stand there doing nothing becuause for balance reasons they dont have them spam high damage melee attacks
It kinda not surprising that the Legion would be losing on their own ending vs winning on the NCR ending because the game is design so the courier would be the main damage dealer.
This is the reason that in-game action shouldn't alway be the indication of how the lore actually pan out because what happen in game and their goofy ai and game design doesn't alway translate well to the story.
Its stated somewhere that the lore ending is a mixture of a couple different endings for characters locations ect ect
Also, I feel like Caesars Legion would have scutum shields made of salvage, but it was just too hard to implement.
@@MyDogDoingStuffIGnah shields wouldn’t hold up against bullets. Armor effectively doesn’t weigh that much if it’s distributed right but a shield isn’t like that. They need to close the gap FAST or they will be screwed. Shields were already pointless by the time we invented platemail. After the invention of guns armors just there to protect against shrapnel. Even modern US body armor breaks to absorb the hit. In theory if they had bullet-proof shields for a proper shield wall it’d be good but no such shields exist in lore.
@@Skullhawk13 I know that onviously, a thin metal plate wont do much against 5.56, but it would be a fun feature nonetheless.
Yeeep
Day 39 of asking for a horde of Benny's to storm quarry junction
So what we learn from both videos is that the game is basically designed in such a way that courier carries the battle to make it more challenging for the player.
I think a Tunneler invasion of the Mojave would be interesting as if I remember correctly Ulysses hints at it
Look up Fallout: DUST
7:20 classic legion soldier position, ready to take it in the rear
How many Easy Pete’s would take to storm The Fort?
0.2
Also Day 39 of asking for a hoard of Benny’s to invade Quarry Junction, doing it for the other guy early, I gotchu bud!
With the Courier long dead at the hands of Bennie, the Legion won the second battle of Hoover dam, the Legion after their victory, cut the needed power to the NCR, crippling most of their growing nation, Vegas wasent that much better, when the Legion cut the power, Vegas shining lights went dark and with no power the remaining Sceuratrons on he strip without charging ports all powered down, leaving Vegas unprotected to the Legion assault.
Could we have the legion attack Nellis like the brotherhood and ncr did? Fun!
You should do this again but give both sides their respective ranks in addition for each of their respective endings units that way not one side has an immediate advantage over the other
If legion won the second battle for Hoover Damb and brotherhood wasn't destroyed the Legion manages to do it as the ending says. It can be interesting to see how they push them from recently taken back Helios One and then their bunker.
they wont. BOS bunker has only one entrance. They dont even need infiltrate it. Just blow the entrance so it would caved in and station several raiding parties to check if BOS got out.
@@Treasure_hunter_21 If solution was so easy it explains why NCR have so much trouble with Legion
@thewatcher3182 I wasn't clear enough. I meant Legion will cave in the BOS bunker, not that they won't win. In legion endings, it's stated that Cesar is warry of boomers and enclave squad and orders to leave them alone/not pursue them. But in the case of brotherhood, they are very dangerous to fight on their terms, so they'll cave in the bunker and hellious 1 (assuming BOS conquer it) they'll have to attack as soon as possible.
7:19 Bro found the love of his life
It can be interesting how some faction clears big mountain and then takes it under control.
bro I have a question for you, when I spawn legat lanius after I beat him he didn't died, he just takes a nap, and then fight with me again, what I have to do to kill him
Hello guy, i dont know if youll see this comment but i love the content since im on a ps4 which can barely do any mods lol,, great to see, please keep it up!
I don't like how they didn't count there alies like the Kans.
They were in there though...
@nicholasgutierrez9940 Weird I don't see them?
You did the legion clearing quarry junction. How many legion would it take to clear Dead Wind Cavern?
You should do battles but with the Realistic Weapon Damages mod turned on or BLEED
So it seems that in both scenarios ncr and legion both kill the enemy commander but get push back to their original positions so in both time lines with out the courier both factions won't hold the Dam
That’s more gameplay purposes than anything, also this channel making a narrative out of it. The Narrative of the story/lore basically shows the NCR is set up to lose the Second battle, with the countless problems they’re dealing with and the preparation the Legion has done.
Whats with the ai of the ncr soldiers
I have a idea for a video! How many roach kings does it take to defeat the legion? (Main camp)
Can we see how many brotherhood soldiers it would take to win the battle at the end of broken steel?
Next battle
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Can you do the queen 👑 rad scorpion VS the big robo scorpion Frome old world blues ?????
Legion invades the Mojave?
I think you need to do a collab with the Chanel the Omega initiative. You need to propose him to do Npc battle for illustrating he's video
Day 1 of deathclaw vs Hoover dam
Coming in to give a idea I got thanks to a video Radking put out today.
How about a battle royale between the snipers in that list? (Barring the Fallout 4 characters, sad to say)
How many aliens to clear out Quarry Junction/Deathclaw Promentory?
Or, for a far more silly idea, alien invaders vs Chinese invaders
Could you PLEASE recreate Boone killing his wife and not killing all the legionaries that were surrounding her bc I know deep down bone could’ve saved her
Day 2 asking for Brotherhood invasion of Camp McCarren
I mean man
Without courier they have to many fronts
Like fiends
And khans supporting the legion
Without fiends and khans i think the ncr could have a chance of a phyrric Victory
Pew pew VS Bonk
The enclave or the brotherhood versus conquer hopeville (lonesome road)
Please make stormcloaks imperials thalmor and forsworn free for all in skyrim
How many great khans to take over the strip
Amazing to watch like always, NCR wins if we go off of lore wise, gameplay wise Depends how the AI feels which is fun to watch
@@ArtoriusGryphon going off the lore NCR rangers snipers clapped legion...
@@ArtoriusGryphon sounds like the the legion got bodied by snipers so they had to chase them not releasing it's a trap. Shame that the legion doesn't believe in training long range fighters 😌
@@ArtoriusGryphon The Legion having bad commanders is an inherent problem. Because they select them by strength, not strategic acumen. As the ending slides where Caesar is dead demonstrate, Lanius is frankly even less intelligent than Graham.
Legion is absolutely set up to win 2nd battle if you are going off lore. I'm not going to bother listing why, anyone who has played the game knows this is true simply by quest design. I like house ending best but pretending NCR has a chance at 2nd battle is willful ignorance
@@blinkyy1088 if I remember correctly the legion side of Hoover dam will lose without courier assistance because of the snipers once they get topside of the Damn they're pinned down 🫠🫠
2:35 😮😮😮🫣🫣🫣
True to Caesar
wtf is this? The AI is in such favor to ceasers legion is embarrassing and unbalanced. While legions on search and destroy the ncr just stands there and doesn’t bother chasing or even shooting half the time. Do better.
Oh except for how Oliver and his bodyguards run out of their shelter which I’m pretty sure they’re hard coded not to do in base
Do better me or obsidian? This is vanilla, I didn't change anything about this battle.
You say that but a lot of the Legions losses happen when melee guys run up to enemies and stand there doing nothing becuause for balance reasons they dont have them spam high damage melee attacks
1st
I want to see how many ranciours ruths it takes to strom the fort