I think the reason some emulators ran terribly at first but worked fine on subsequent runs is because of texture caching. Sometimes it just needs to be cached to run smoothly
@@hawshimagical Everytime there is a new action or animation for the first time, it will lag (because the emulator hasn't seen and loaded the shaders) and then it will run smoothly, you just need to give time to the animations to load.
The reason why citra is not good when playing for the first time is because it needs to cache; think of this like a save file for the emulator to help the game perform more smoothly the next time you play it. Im pretty sure this also happens on the pc and mac versions as well.
It's getting very, VERY exciting. Faster chips, OLED screens, ergonomics, battery life, haptic feedback. And absolutely fantastic selection of emulators to choose from, it's all coming together nicely. With more and more companies trying to outclass each other, the proverbial snowball of innovation is now picking up in everyone's favor. Now to get supply back in check for the undoubtedly increase in demand...
Bob just so you know with the dock you can remove the front plastic actually. You just need to be a bit careful pulling it off. Also the dock has a Sata 2.5 inch drive slot in the back half!! So you can store larger games on the sata drive. I ordered the Pro and I'm super excited to get it. You can get an upgrade to 256gb, but really I think an SD card will be more than enough for cheap large storage. The difference between the base and Pro is more storage (without paying for upgrade for base), and 8gb of ram instead of 4gb.
Bob, FYI - on android, the best DS emulator by a large margin is Drastic, not any of the Retroarch cores. It may be a few bucks, but trust me, it's worth it.
MelonDS is still in development. It's getting seriously better, but still for now, DraStic stands out for being the best and most well optimised android ds Emulator
Incredible video, Bob. Might have finally sold me on getting myself a seperate emulation machine that isn't my phone. I'm almost as excited to get it as I was for my switch.
This device makes me want to grab Nintendo by the ears and shout into their greedy eyeballs, “Stop effing around with NSO, and start releasing GC, Wii, and WiiU games.” It’s a wasted library that could totally justify the $50 annual fee for the NSO+ even if they trickle the games in at 1-3 a month.
That's all of our fault for our continuous support of them. We've enabled Nintendo for ages. They do the bare minimum and we still throw money at them. Stop buying their shit like we did in the Wii U era (ironically that system did a lot of things very right) and watch them magically change their tune.
If Nintendo has demonstrated anything with their recent emulated back library on the switch the delay for more titles is to give themselves time to screw up the game experience enough so that they continue to push gamers to retro consoles.
I literally bought a switch because I thought Nintendo would be smart enough to realize the retro gaming gold they had. Nope. NSO was ok, but jot the deep library I was hoping for. The funny thing is by not giving us a way to pay for these games, specifically the ones we want and not random ass Japanese games that hold zero nostalgia for me, they only encourage the theft.
"You had my curiosity but now you have my attention" Something to replace my Vita for emulation as well as my phone for gaming!? And the size of a Switch Lite too! Definitely buying this.
Some folks are running Windows 11 and playing Steam PC games on the pro unit. It seems to be GPU bound with the CPU only at around 60%. It's a bit limited but I'm still amazed at what it can run on Windows.
You are confusing this arm based android device with a x86 based Windows device. You cannot run Windows 11 or steam games on this device, though you can probably use the steam link app I guess.
Those 2 HDMI outs on the dock tell me they put a lot of extra thought into it. Now it can be not just for game streaming but also for streaming your gameplay to TTV or YT. The LACK OF A CHEAP AND SMALL FAN blowing onto the back of the device in the dock tells me they didn't put the RIGHT thoughts into it. But that is what betas, reviews, and feedback are for. Hopefully they do a quick revision of the dock in the not-too-distant future.
Genshin not having controller support on Android is honestly annoying as heck. And miHoYo doesn't seem to care, the game only had 120 fps support on Iphones, NOT EVEN THE PC.
Agreed, especially since it was announced at the same time as the iPhone controller support. What's worse is that button mapping software is against the terms of service so you could be banned if it's discovered you're using that to get a controller working with Android, which is ridiculous seeing as they don't seem to care about offering that support themselves. Wonder what's gonna come first, that controller support or the Switch version?
I literally just found out these were a thing the other week after watching one of your videos, then I found out about this last week, and now it’s my first retro emulation device. Couldn’t be happier, this thing just works.
I've never owned a portable emulator, aside from DS on my phone. But I've been considering one for a long time, I think this may be the one. I've definitely wanted something I can play retro as well as some newer games on, and use it for streaming.
This is why I wait for Bob's review on certain tech. He'll rip it apart to the T if there is absolutely any deal breakers. But, I guess I should look into fitting this in the budget this year.
Weirdly, the Dimensity 900 actually offers similar benchmark performance to the SD845 and has smaller transistors at 6nm so theoretically should also be more power efficient.
Yeah I think the lite is just knocking out the windows compatibility It's practically the same CPU though The mediatek dimensity was released either this year or last And the 845 is like 3 years old. I think it's the exact same performance just mediatek took a little bit longer to get there so it is a more modern chip supporting more modern features like wifi 6
I think the dimensity one has better battery optimization and single core performance. The owner of ayn told me that the lite is geared towards streaming, hence the wifi 6 where as the base and pro are more for emulation since SD has more developer support and can also run windows on arm etc. The only difference between pro and base is the ram really but they should perform about the same I would think.
probably because the sd845 was throtling inside smartphones wich limited its performances. It can run at more than full speed inside the odin, so, those benchmark won't be that close between odin base/pro and odin lite. I'd expect a very noticeable drop in performance with the lite one, because of the weaker cpu/gpu and the less commonly used GPU that implies that most emulators probably doesn't have been as much optimised for yet.
Also, Citra does a lot of caching, which means that certain animations/effects that play the first time cause a lot of slowdown, then never again. I experience something similar with Ryujinx - whenever a game plays a unique animation for the very first time, the game slows to a crawl. Whenever that animation ever plays again, even if I've closed the emulator, there's no performance dip. This was a little annoying when I played through Legends Arceus and a Noble Pokemon used an attack for the first time.
@@monkeygameplay5455 I own a 3DS. Not everyone who emulates doesn't own the system and games they play. The only time I've emulated 3DS was trying to play a romhack of Omega Ruby.
This is the most appealing of the non mainstream devices I've seen. If I don't get a Steam Deck I'd pick this over other options. Looks sleek and size and shape is great.
The Lite does not have a significantly shittier CPU, actually on it's 2 high performance cores it should outperform the SD845. It may have a worse GPU, but the D900 has been tested to run gamecube just fine
I check several compsrisons between snapdragon and D900 and it seems quite similar, in fact in some features D900 has a better performance. Paying some extra bucks you can get a better ram and storage, that makes feel Lite like a Pro. Crossing fingers Lite version could support PS2 emulation too
The Lite model has two advantages. 1) Newer version of Android (11 versus 10 on the Pro). 2) Wi-Fi 6 and Bluetooth 5.2 versus AC and 5.0 on the Pro. The second one might be noteworthy because it means faster, more stable streaming speeds for things like Game Pass.
@@rodneyrodriguezsoberal5522 Really? Do you have any relevant benchmarks you could share? Most of the ones I've seen have shown that the performance on the SD845 is slightly better due to the optimization of the chip throughout the years. The Dimensity 900 is still quite a new chip with a lot of headroom to be optimized and processor wise it seemed quite similar in performance to the SD845.
After knowing which processor this thing was running, i felt a bit confused.... i just add a Razer Kishi to my note 9 and that's it? Im not sure about the 845 future support....
Regular DS emulation ran choppy? What?! DraStic runs all games flawlessly on hardware much weaker than the SD 845. Every other DS emulator on Android is put to shame by it.
@@danielalorbi He says in the video that he used Retroarch for DS emulation. AFAIK, there's no DraStic core for RA, only a standalone version. I have no idea what kind of core this is.
Yeah, this is bit weird, i still play my DS games with Drastic, on very old tablet that has ancient A7 Mtk SoC, newer and latest Soc shouldnt have problem running Drastic.
@@Galohide For many, the bigger size is not only not really a problem, it's actually a plus. The switch and the joycons is not particularly comfortable on it's own. Which is why most people tend to get some type of grip when playing undocked or they go for third party controller acessories like the Hori Split pad, which by the way makes the switch about the same size as the Steam Deck. Sure, with a grip or the third party joycons, the system is bigger, but the base switch model, and arguably even the lite, most aren't going to just put it in their pocket. They're going to put it in a case, preferably one that fits with their grip or controller. Some will even carry it with extra accessories like a pro controller. Similarly, while the Odin looks smaller, though it looks fairly ergonomic compared to the switch, I still wouldn't try to fit it in my pocket, it would get the same treatment as the switch, which is to put it in a case and maybe put that case in a bag with the rest of the stuff I want to take with me. A steam deck is in the same range, of put it in a case, carry it in a bag as the other two, it's not in some separate class of portables, and it's powerful enough as well as capable of playing pretty much any pc or emulated game, that one doesn't even need much if anything else, they could even potentially replace their switch for many games since Switch emulators are getting to the point they run switch games better than the actual switch.
@@AlbedoAtoned Another reason the size is a plus is that it allows for more space for active cooling, which keeps temps low and framerates high, just as Gaben intended
I'm so psyched for this, got the transparent purple base the day of, I hope I get it soon! I'd prefer this over the steam deck, portable, I can game stream the AAA titles to it... analog shoulder buttons so I can FINALLY play my racing games and the back buttons for macro's. I can't wait! I would love to root this thing, switch the physical A/B buttons and remove the little task manager switcher line when in full screen, that'll annoy me after a while. You can remove the glass off the dock, I can't wait! lol!
Oh man, this might get me to finally pick up an emulator... I've been wanting something, but there is a lot of faffing about once you get the unit to make it work, this one is approaching the level of ready out of the box that I want.
Damn. This thing looks amazing, but I've already got a Steam Deck reserved. If it were a little cheaper I'd get one for sure. Thanks for this review Bob, it's really encouraging to see someone making great devices like this!
@@calmax7954 It's essentially a handheld PC, so yes it can. It comes with SteamOS installed by default, and I'm not sure how that's going to work with non-Valve software, but you can always install a different OS, including Windows.
Thanks for a great review. I ordered the 256gb transparent purple Odin Pro. Looking forward to it playing some ESPN NFL 2K5, the best NFL video game of all time.
For DS emulation you want DraStic. Yes it's paid, but it's an absolute miracle how well that emulator can run on any device. Even very old and week phones can run DraStic so well, as if it was a simple Gameboy game And for citra, I think citra for Android has shader compilation issues, so it'll usually run bad the first time, but run better after that
@@SanIX___I cuz developers have to make money somehow. Making an emulator is an extremely time consuming task, and considering how good it is I think it's 100% deserves money
I'm more intrigued by this than the Steam Deck. This looks actually portable. The SD looks too big and heavy to be comfortable to hold for a good length of game time. (Bear in mind I have fun health stuff going on which gives me weaker hands.) This looks like a retro-friendly Switch. Colour me interested.
The fact that it is actually a handheld, as you described, and the price point makes this thing really interesting for sure. I have a Steam Deck preordered but I may get this as well. I have a gaming PC and a decent internet setup, so do I really need a Steam Deck when I could get something like this and stream my games? It’s an interesting proposition.
It’s really worth it. It does everything that was advertised and honestly is so good all around. Battery life is a tank to. I got mine 2 weeks ago and it’s been awesome
In fairness to the Steam Deck form factor is not all the marbles if it was I don't think nearly as many people would have bought the switch, that thing isn't that comfortable to use and this won't be that great either (just based on the button placement). It is also not really that portable. Can't really put it in a pocket like a phone so it still has to be bagged somehow. Steam Deck in many or most other regards is just going to be more capable. You are not spending more for nothing.
Have you seen actual reviews of the Steam Deck that have been coming out these past several days? The Steam Deck's grips are FLAWLESS and evenly distribute the weight so well that you don't notice the weight.
@@FamousWolfe ain’t the steam deck really shit tho. Like it’s so incomplete out of the box. I understand steam deck is at work tweaking all the rough edges and making games better but it really doesn’t look casual consumer friendly
For the 3DS, that's mostly because the emulator is still in early life cycle and getting updates Also some slow down is shade caching As for DS, it may be because of the emulator or core you are using, along with maybe the bios
Official Citra on Android has pretty much been abandoned. They released it, took donations for a pro version, and then have done nothing with it. The last Android build was 9 months ago. MMJ is a little better but updates trickle in exceedingly slowly. There is a fork called Citra Enhanced which is attempting to combine the feature set of official with the performance of MMJ but it's very inconsistent in performance at the moment.
Yeah right early cycle, look how AetherSX2 perform with only a month release, it run better than Citra ,even with unpopular chipset of smartphone like mediatek,that unfortunately ,Citra unable to do, that more lean to Snapdragon phone users.
First of all, if you have ED problems, talk to your primary care doctor, not some shady website. Device looks interesting though. Joycons are hardly the gold standard for controls but that's not a deal breaker.
As already noted, the D900 will surprise you if you look into what it can do. Folks are also overlooking that the D900 supports Wifi6, so from a streaming perspective the Lite is actually better.
Very proud of you bringing awareness to ED. Even sneaking it in as a sponsor. Just one of life's many struggles that men have to deal with silently. There's no wonder our suicide rate is 30% higher than women.
Drastic is #1 for emulating Nds games on Android. I'm not sure why TH-camrs like this guy ignore it. I've been using it for years and it runs everything flawlessly on my S21 plus Android cell. I even converted my old LG Stylo 4 into a DS emulator using Drastic because of the stylus. Even with a snap dragon 455 chip set, it runs everything flawlessly.
I ran across your comment and I can confirm that Drastic is AMAZING!! Currently playing heart gold and soulsilver with zero issues. Runs absolutely smooth on my s21 ultra.
@@raihanlazuardi6632 Do you know if Drastic is also used on the actual DS device when brewed? If not, is there a way to transport my heartgold save file from my 21 ultra to the DS?
Taki Udon has videos running Steam games with a Windows installation on this thing. Pretty cool IMO. I have too many devices to be interested but it’s nice to see where this is going.
Man, PS2 and GameCube. It has been a LONG time coming but it is here. It has been here a while on high end phones but there aren't a lot of phones that have a fan. ARM CPUs are powerful without a fan but a fan helps a lot, like doubling the performance in some cases.
Incidentally, there's option in Retroarch settings just to swap buttons A and B around. When I use Switch for awhile I struggle using XBox Controls and end up pressing B when I meant to be pressing A. So I do the Retroarch reverse button option which helps. It looks like Odin has XBox setup.
For retro games 1080p isn't really doing much. PPI is more important overall, but given how low-res textures and low poly models were, it's a wash. For now on retro games, could this run current gen at full resolution anyways?
I'm really wanting this one now, thanks for the review! Just wanted to say, for 2DS and 3DS games, I insist on original hardware. For everything else, emulation is fine.
Customers: We just want nostalgic Pokemon games like Fire Red or Emerald to be in Nintendo Switch's market. Nintendo: I mean we can, but we don't want to and it will never happen. Ayn Odin: *Fine. I'll do it myself*
How do you know the Lite will perform worse? It's a 2021 midrange vs 2018 flagship situation, I don't think it's going to be a bloodwash for either side, besides, the 6nm chip in the Lite should have better battery life than the 10nm SD845
The base is still an incredible unit for sure. Really the only reason to get the Pro is if you plan to put windows on it, or use HD Textures with your games.
@@keiz_ that’s really good to know. I’ll keep my eyes peeled for any gameplay comparisons, but if that’s the case then I think I’ll absolutely snag one of these over a Switch Lite or Steam Deck.
This video and others made my decision on which portable emulator to buy. I like the look and the UI. I'm pretty happy I can dock it, but that's not a deal breaker for me. The lite model will do what I want pretty easily, and if I can get it to work with steamlink, it'll be my go to.
Was already thinking about getting this, definitely don’t need it but i might have to. Damn. Also a raise is deserved for the end joke of the ad, A+ stuff.
You might’ve sold me on this Bob. I kinda want a steam deck to make it my ultimate emulator with occasionally playing bigger modern titles like Batman, Star Wars or whatever. But for the price point, d-pad, size idk I’m hesitant to take the dive. Love my switch but this thing looks to scratch the itch of portable retro games and easier on the wallet. Will still consider the steam deck but this baby looks sweet
DS emulation on android definitely is not a retroarch affair, Drastic is the emulator you want. It's a paid app, but a must, as even on the pc the retroarch DS cores perform worst than the standalones. Best of worlds would be if drastic became open source and a retroarch core was made
The lite is actually not worse. Dimensity 900 is a much newer SoC made on newer process. It also has better WiFi and should be more power efficient. We'd need to wait for proper benchmarks but other Dimensity 900 devices have great benchmarks but not too much gaming emulation information right now.
The Cpu is on par, if not slightly better, the the GPU will be just a tiny but behind. The biggest thing though is just driver support isn't there as much
RP2+ is like that for me. Odin looks cool just for the fact you can play GameCube and PS2, but the screen is just too wide and playing 4:3 games means you're not gonna fill up the whole display. If you buy it for modern games and/or game streaming (as advertised), then it's a lot more justified.
@@soapbox9139 I was thinking about the RP2 + but I think the screen size and overall build is too small for what I'm looking for. At least the Odin is larger and moreso designed to play console games. I don't mind black bars on the sides, if I wanted to play wide-screen I'd play on PC. I am looking for portability that'll play Dreamcast and under. 👍
This little thing looks so cool so I checked the indiegogo right after watching your video to get me one bit apparently shipping to the EU will be charge 21% of tax so the price of the base model goes up to 280 include shipping fee damn it 😔 Hope that in the future other sort of distribution will be available in the EU 😥
The D900 is a good midrange SoC and for games and emulation, better cpu than the Snap 845 but unfortunaly a worse gpu. For n64/psp/Dreamcast i would expect same performance, but PS2/GC/Wii are more compatible to Snapdragon SoCs and D900 will have a worse performance
You can still adjust the fan setting separately from the performance setting when you first switch to performance mode from standard it puts the fan in quiet mode but you can also have it in Smart mode or sport mode . When you put it into high performance it automatically goes into the sport mode but you can go down to smart mode or toggle manual where you can crank it even higher than the sport mode
Pretty awesome! I'm all about minimizing so I like to have one device. Although if you went with a razer kishi for your phone you would have to technically carry 2 'things'. Anyway.. a razer kishi is $50 now(renewed amazon) which can transform anyone's smartphone into something similar to the odin. In fact you could buy a renewed PIxel 3 for $120/renewed or a pixel 3xl for $140 renewed and you'd be under $200 with the same snapdragon 845(i think) as whats in the odin.. plus you'd have Android 12 just like the new Pixel 6... I rambled :(
This looks so cool, but I would like to see if the controls get worn out over time. After seeing good reviews on 8-Bit do controllers I bought 2 for my Switch. Both ended up with a sticky A button after about 1000 hours.
@@timestopMachinist I might do that sometime, for now I have bought Pro Controllers. Both my 8-Bit do (SN30 Pro and SN30Pro+) controllers were used to play Diablo 3. How many thousand hours have you used yours, if I may ask?
@@hai5266 idk exactly how long ive used each, but i used my pro for pretty much every platformer i played, and when i had company, and i tossed it in my bag to use on my phone for a while (still do when i have the opportunity). when i got the pro+, i did all that except for tossing it in my bag. i use them on switch, my laptop, and wired on my desktop, as well as my phone. theyve been super reliable controllers for me, and my friends who have gotten them seem to share the sentiment. it sucks that youve had issues with yours but sticky buttons are usually fixable, even if you dont want to contact support. just yesterday i had to fix the switch on one of my mouse buttons for similar reasons
Okay thanks, that is good to know. Not sure if I want to give them another chance and buy a third one though, now that I use Pro Controllers, I actually find them better. Also the D-Pads on both my 8-Bit do's tend to go sideways when pressing down, it didn't happen right away, maybe after a half year. I bought the second one after the first one got screwed, hoping the "plus"-version was designed better, but they suffer from the exact same problems.
I think calling the Lite with Dimensity 900 "significantly worse" is a significant exaggeration, for starters it supports newer android versions, vulkan 1.1 rather than 1.0, wifi 6 vs ac, BT 5.2 vs 5.0 etc Actually depending on the emulator and your settings (especially if you ordered the 8GB ram version on the lite which was available on IGG) in some situations the d900 will out perform the SD845 (possibly PS2 as it is very CPU intensive). Not to mention it is a 6nm chip vs 10nm so battery life will be better (more efficient) with the D900.
I'm seeing these for $360 with the dock, is that accurate for the Pro model? Don't want to get scammed. Couldn't find a link in the description. Looks incredible and I really want one.
They're still taking orders on Indegogo at the moment. They plan to go full retail, but it'll be a little bit till they fulfill current orders and decide where to sell it retail
I think the reason some emulators ran terribly at first but worked fine on subsequent runs is because of texture caching. Sometimes it just needs to be cached to run smoothly
This.
^ completly right.
how do you know when to reset the emulator for a smooth experience?
@@hawshimagical Everytime there is a new action or animation for the first time, it will lag (because the emulator hasn't seen and loaded the shaders) and then it will run smoothly, you just need to give time to the animations to load.
no, the reason is because it's a terrible low power device
15:31 You actually can remove the front glass panel pretty easily, its a little stiff but it comes right off.
A little stiff you say? Noice!
@@cristoff30 When you make such juvenile jokes, it makes it HARD to take you seriously...
@@elohym876 hehe.. hard
i was gonna leave the same comment
Also, it's acrylic, not glass.
The reason why citra is not good when playing for the first time is because it needs to cache; think of this like a save file for the emulator to help the game perform more smoothly the next time you play it. Im pretty sure this also happens on the pc and mac versions as well.
Even in Wii U and swich that happens
I do I cache it then?
@@billblaski9523 on android use the back button then choose exit from game, it screws with muscle memory ik.
It's a new Golden Age for handhelds...
And we love it !
It's getting very, VERY exciting. Faster chips, OLED screens, ergonomics, battery life, haptic feedback. And absolutely fantastic selection of emulators to choose from, it's all coming together nicely.
With more and more companies trying to outclass each other, the proverbial snowball of innovation is now picking up in everyone's favor. Now to get supply back in check for the undoubtedly increase in demand...
There has been a resurgence since 2017, the Retro Mini (re)starting it all. :)
I hope this ages poorly but I’ll enjoy it while I can
@@Green____T why?
I swear to god every week there's a new "emulation king"
because everyone making one
Wait until the Steam Deck comes out, it will be the real king here
@@markmystery3536 true but this device looks super sleek and clean, the steam deck looks busy and complicated and heavy looking
@@markmystery3536 indeed im just hoping its going to be able to fortnite and call of duty
@MEfoo I mean, Steam Deck is, in fact, a pc.
While this is an android device with limited usability.
Bob never disappoints with his sponsor ads
He’s seriously the only TH-camr for whom I enthusiastically sit through his ads. Sometimes they are the BEST PART of the video!
I like how I can quickly go “oh this doesn’t apply to me, I can skip this guilt free” with this one.
Neither will you if you buy roman 😉
Internet historian also has great ads...
Bob just so you know with the dock you can remove the front plastic actually. You just need to be a bit careful pulling it off. Also the dock has a Sata 2.5 inch drive slot in the back half!! So you can store larger games on the sata drive.
I ordered the Pro and I'm super excited to get it. You can get an upgrade to 256gb, but really I think an SD card will be more than enough for cheap large storage. The difference between the base and Pro is more storage (without paying for upgrade for base), and 8gb of ram instead of 4gb.
A DRIVE SLOT WHAT
@@brandon_nope yeah it's pretty cool, have those big modern libraries in the dock :)
@@JackOusley Yeah! slap in a 4tb 2.5 drive and booyah! It's all done.
Bob, FYI - on android, the best DS emulator by a large margin is Drastic, not any of the Retroarch cores. It may be a few bucks, but trust me, it's worth it.
MelonDS is better I think. And it's free
MelonDS is still in development. It's getting seriously better, but still for now, DraStic stands out for being the best and most well optimised android ds Emulator
Drastic sux
@ dont just think, try it.
I already canceled my steam deck order for this baby I can't wait
Incredible video, Bob. Might have finally sold me on getting myself a seperate emulation machine that isn't my phone. I'm almost as excited to get it as I was for my switch.
This device makes me want to grab Nintendo by the ears and shout into their greedy eyeballs, “Stop effing around with NSO, and start releasing GC, Wii, and WiiU games.” It’s a wasted library that could totally justify the $50 annual fee for the NSO+ even if they trickle the games in at 1-3 a month.
Nintendo: BUY OUR NSO EXPANSION PACK + DELUXE PACK FOR WII AND WII U GAMES
That's all of our fault for our continuous support of them. We've enabled Nintendo for ages. They do the bare minimum and we still throw money at them. Stop buying their shit like we did in the Wii U era (ironically that system did a lot of things very right) and watch them magically change their tune.
If Nintendo has demonstrated anything with their recent emulated back library on the switch the delay for more titles is to give themselves time to screw up the game experience enough so that they continue to push gamers to retro consoles.
I literally bought a switch because I thought Nintendo would be smart enough to realize the retro gaming gold they had. Nope. NSO was ok, but jot the deep library I was hoping for. The funny thing is by not giving us a way to pay for these games, specifically the ones we want and not random ass Japanese games that hold zero nostalgia for me, they only encourage the theft.
"You had my curiosity but now you have my attention"
Something to replace my Vita for emulation as well as my phone for gaming!? And the size of a Switch Lite too! Definitely buying this.
is it worth it? does it have psp games?
Some folks are running Windows 11 and playing Steam PC games on the pro unit. It seems to be GPU bound with the CPU only at around 60%. It's a bit limited but I'm still amazed at what it can run on Windows.
So, you can play Wow Classic on this? if you know how to map. I saw someone do that with moonlight on a swtich.
You are confusing this arm based android device with a x86 based Windows device. You cannot run Windows 11 or steam games on this device, though you can probably use the steam link app I guess.
@@atonegames Lionel is confusing this with another device
@@bionicgeekgrrl no, actually you can. All it takes is one TH-cam search to see how it works
Those 2 HDMI outs on the dock tell me they put a lot of extra thought into it. Now it can be not just for game streaming but also for streaming your gameplay to TTV or YT. The LACK OF A CHEAP AND SMALL FAN blowing onto the back of the device in the dock tells me they didn't put the RIGHT thoughts into it. But that is what betas, reviews, and feedback are for. Hopefully they do a quick revision of the dock in the not-too-distant future.
Also the screen stays on when docked? Lol who needs that
Genshin not having controller support on Android is honestly annoying as heck. And miHoYo doesn't seem to care, the game only had 120 fps support on Iphones, NOT EVEN THE PC.
Agreed, especially since it was announced at the same time as the iPhone controller support. What's worse is that button mapping software is against the terms of service so you could be banned if it's discovered you're using that to get a controller working with Android, which is ridiculous seeing as they don't seem to care about offering that support themselves.
Wonder what's gonna come first, that controller support or the Switch version?
I literally just found out these were a thing the other week after watching one of your videos, then I found out about this last week, and now it’s my first retro emulation device. Couldn’t be happier, this thing just works.
@UCx0ocrXh6tMZNlAcbivdh2w eBay
Where to buy?
I've never owned a portable emulator, aside from DS on my phone. But I've been considering one for a long time, I think this may be the one. I've definitely wanted something I can play retro as well as some newer games on, and use it for streaming.
The DOCK on this beast is bonkers. I kind of love how many crazy ports that thing is holding.
I totally agree. The only thing missing is a microwave.
@@slaingirlfound AGREED they really left that out. Clearly this could use a microwave maybe a fridge too?
@@DiskCart That's hysterical!! Wishing you and yours good health and prosperity in the New Year! Happy Gaming!!!
The lite is great for dreamcast, psp, nintendo 64, and even gamecube and ps2... it's close to the base and pro in performance, actually
😯😯
This is why I wait for Bob's review on certain tech. He'll rip it apart to the T if there is absolutely any deal breakers. But, I guess I should look into fitting this in the budget this year.
Weirdly, the Dimensity 900 actually offers similar benchmark performance to the SD845 and has smaller transistors at 6nm so theoretically should also be more power efficient.
Think the lite version also has wifi 6 as well the others dont
Yeah I think the lite is just knocking out the windows compatibility
It's practically the same CPU though
The mediatek dimensity was released either this year or last
And the 845 is like 3 years old.
I think it's the exact same performance just mediatek took a little bit longer to get there so it is a more modern chip supporting more modern features like wifi 6
The biggest thing with the mediatek is just driver compatibility overall
I think the dimensity one has better battery optimization and single core performance. The owner of ayn told me that the lite is geared towards streaming, hence the wifi 6 where as the base and pro are more for emulation since SD has more developer support and can also run windows on arm etc. The only difference between pro and base is the ram really but they should perform about the same I would think.
probably because the sd845 was throtling inside smartphones wich limited its performances. It can run at more than full speed inside the odin, so, those benchmark won't be that close between odin base/pro and odin lite. I'd expect a very noticeable drop in performance with the lite one, because of the weaker cpu/gpu and the less commonly used GPU that implies that most emulators probably doesn't have been as much optimised for yet.
Also, Citra does a lot of caching, which means that certain animations/effects that play the first time cause a lot of slowdown, then never again. I experience something similar with Ryujinx - whenever a game plays a unique animation for the very first time, the game slows to a crawl. Whenever that animation ever plays again, even if I've closed the emulator, there's no performance dip. This was a little annoying when I played through Legends Arceus and a Noble Pokemon used an attack for the first time.
go get a 3ds it's so worth it
@@monkeygameplay5455 I own a 3DS. Not everyone who emulates doesn't own the system and games they play. The only time I've emulated 3DS was trying to play a romhack of Omega Ruby.
@@godminnette2 oh i see romhacks work on 3ds i think but only on hombrew
This is the most appealing of the non mainstream devices I've seen. If I don't get a Steam Deck I'd pick this over other options. Looks sleek and size and shape is great.
The Lite does not have a significantly shittier CPU, actually on it's 2 high performance cores it should outperform the SD845. It may have a worse GPU, but the D900 has been tested to run gamecube just fine
I check several compsrisons between snapdragon and D900 and it seems quite similar, in fact in some features D900 has a better performance. Paying some extra bucks you can get a better ram and storage, that makes feel Lite like a Pro. Crossing fingers Lite version could support PS2 emulation too
@@frankgago79 not likely as powerful as the base or pro but some games will run
" I didnt want him to come inside" - Bob 2022 😂
"By Odin of Asgard, what a delectable piece of technology!"
- Thor, probably
"I didn't want him to come inside" I haven't laughed that loud in a long time. Thanks, Bob.
“Blue-shelled” *killed me* as well 💀
The Lite model has two advantages. 1) Newer version of Android (11 versus 10 on the Pro). 2) Wi-Fi 6 and Bluetooth 5.2 versus AC and 5.0 on the Pro. The second one might be noteworthy because it means faster, more stable streaming speeds for things like Game Pass.
The cpu is horrible compared to the snapdragon
@@rodneyrodriguezsoberal5522 Really? Do you have any relevant benchmarks you could share? Most of the ones I've seen have shown that the performance on the SD845 is slightly better due to the optimization of the chip throughout the years. The Dimensity 900 is still quite a new chip with a lot of headroom to be optimized and processor wise it seemed quite similar in performance to the SD845.
@@lottabee no benchmark I can give you at the moment. The sd is better I just can't tell you how much at this exact moment give me s second
@@rodneyrodriguezsoberal5522 All good 👍
@@lottabee D900 is a really capable SoC, watch latest Taki Udon's video running emulators on Odin Lite, it's really surprising.
Id actually buy this one. It's gonna be awesome to have a dedicated android gaming device that can run whatever I want.
Probably better than a phone because phones have a skinny long aspect ratio.
After knowing which processor this thing was running, i felt a bit confused.... i just add a Razer Kishi to my note 9 and that's it? Im not sure about the 845 future support....
You can play Android games on an Android phone with a controller. Lol
@@psp4gamer don't do that because games eat your storage and your main phone will be full
@@shaydesofblue2281 wow know one would know that!!
A phone battery lasts for 2 hours for top tier emulation like wii.
Regular DS emulation ran choppy?
What?!
DraStic runs all games flawlessly on hardware much weaker than the SD 845. Every other DS emulator on Android is put to shame by it.
Yeah, something is off here. DraStic is super performant. There's no way the Odin can't run it, especially if it runs GameCube this well.
@@danielalorbi He says in the video that he used Retroarch for DS emulation. AFAIK, there's no DraStic core for RA, only a standalone version. I have no idea what kind of core this is.
Yeah, this is bit weird, i still play my DS games with Drastic, on very old tablet that has ancient A7 Mtk SoC, newer and latest Soc shouldnt have problem running Drastic.
so many interesting handhelds are getting released at the moment. Personally I Cant wait to get my hand on the steam deck.
Its a real shame about the size of the Steam Deck. Being both bigger and thicker than the Wii U gamepad, its not exactly an ideal portable.
@@Galohide For many, the bigger size is not only not really a problem, it's actually a plus. The switch and the joycons is not particularly comfortable on it's own. Which is why most people tend to get some type of grip when playing undocked or they go for third party controller acessories like the Hori Split pad, which by the way makes the switch about the same size as the Steam Deck. Sure, with a grip or the third party joycons, the system is bigger, but the base switch model, and arguably even the lite, most aren't going to just put it in their pocket. They're going to put it in a case, preferably one that fits with their grip or controller.
Some will even carry it with extra accessories like a pro controller. Similarly, while the Odin looks smaller, though it looks fairly ergonomic compared to the switch, I still wouldn't try to fit it in my pocket, it would get the same treatment as the switch, which is to put it in a case and maybe put that case in a bag with the rest of the stuff I want to take with me.
A steam deck is in the same range, of put it in a case, carry it in a bag as the other two, it's not in some separate class of portables, and it's powerful enough as well as capable of playing pretty much any pc or emulated game, that one doesn't even need much if anything else, they could even potentially replace their switch for many games since Switch emulators are getting to the point they run switch games better than the actual switch.
@@AlbedoAtoned Another reason the size is a plus is that it allows for more space for active cooling, which keeps temps low and framerates high, just as Gaben intended
@@Galohide I guess its depend on who you are. For many people like me, Its not a problem, since I'm always carrying backpack anyway :)
That Roman ad was great. Great job. I love when people put effort into making sponsored parts fun to watch.
I'm so psyched for this, got the transparent purple base the day of, I hope I get it soon! I'd prefer this over the steam deck, portable, I can game stream the AAA titles to it... analog shoulder buttons so I can FINALLY play my racing games and the back buttons for macro's. I can't wait! I would love to root this thing, switch the physical A/B buttons and remove the little task manager switcher line when in full screen, that'll annoy me after a while.
You can remove the glass off the dock, I can't wait! lol!
Oh man, this might get me to finally pick up an emulator... I've been wanting something, but there is a lot of faffing about once you get the unit to make it work, this one is approaching the level of ready out of the box that I want.
Damn. This thing looks amazing, but I've already got a Steam Deck reserved. If it were a little cheaper I'd get one for sure. Thanks for this review Bob, it's really encouraging to see someone making great devices like this!
Can steam deck run emulators?
@@calmax7954 It's essentially a handheld PC, so yes it can. It comes with SteamOS installed by default, and I'm not sure how that's going to work with non-Valve software, but you can always install a different OS, including Windows.
@@disky01 thanks for info
@@calmax7954 Yep
Thanks for a great review. I ordered the 256gb transparent purple Odin Pro. Looking forward to it playing some ESPN NFL 2K5, the best NFL video game of all time.
I don't have one, but apparently the new version of the Retroid 2 can run Gamecube/PS2 and some Wii which is pretty neat
For DS emulation you want DraStic. Yes it's paid, but it's an absolute miracle how well that emulator can run on any device. Even very old and week phones can run DraStic so well, as if it was a simple Gameboy game
And for citra, I think citra for Android has shader compilation issues, so it'll usually run bad the first time, but run better after that
Why do i have to pay for an emulator?
Yup, worked wonderfully on my SEX play even. They probably improved it a lot by now too.
@@SanIX___I cuz developers have to make money somehow. Making an emulator is an extremely time consuming task, and considering how good it is I think it's 100% deserves money
I'm more intrigued by this than the Steam Deck. This looks actually portable. The SD looks too big and heavy to be comfortable to hold for a good length of game time. (Bear in mind I have fun health stuff going on which gives me weaker hands.) This looks like a retro-friendly Switch. Colour me interested.
The fact that it is actually a handheld, as you described, and the price point makes this thing really interesting for sure. I have a Steam Deck preordered but I may get this as well. I have a gaming PC and a decent internet setup, so do I really need a Steam Deck when I could get something like this and stream my games?
It’s an interesting proposition.
It’s really worth it. It does everything that was advertised and honestly is so good all around. Battery life is a tank to. I got mine 2 weeks ago and it’s been awesome
In fairness to the Steam Deck form factor is not all the marbles if it was I don't think nearly as many people would have bought the switch, that thing isn't that comfortable to use and this won't be that great either (just based on the button placement). It is also not really that portable. Can't really put it in a pocket like a phone so it still has to be bagged somehow. Steam Deck in many or most other regards is just going to be more capable. You are not spending more for nothing.
Have you seen actual reviews of the Steam Deck that have been coming out these past several days? The Steam Deck's grips are FLAWLESS and evenly distribute the weight so well that you don't notice the weight.
@@FamousWolfe ain’t the steam deck really shit tho. Like it’s so incomplete out of the box. I understand steam deck is at work tweaking all the rough edges and making games better but it really doesn’t look casual consumer friendly
For the 3DS, that's mostly because the emulator is still in early life cycle and getting updates
Also some slow down is shade caching
As for DS, it may be because of the emulator or core you are using, along with maybe the bios
Yeah, if you use the drastic emulator, everything runs flawlessly
Official Citra on Android has pretty much been abandoned. They released it, took donations for a pro version, and then have done nothing with it. The last Android build was 9 months ago.
MMJ is a little better but updates trickle in exceedingly slowly.
There is a fork called Citra Enhanced which is attempting to combine the feature set of official with the performance of MMJ but it's very inconsistent in performance at the moment.
@@voteDC I hope someone picks up on 3DS emulation again, especially with how much emulation is catching steam again
@@chrisasma9700 yep, it's all about trial and error with these cores and shader caches
Yeah right early cycle, look how AetherSX2 perform with only a month release, it run better than Citra ,even with unpopular chipset of smartphone like mediatek,that unfortunately ,Citra unable to do, that more lean to Snapdragon phone users.
Drastic is a much better option for DS emulation on Android in my experience, it's been running beautifully since like 2013
Citra is for 3DS
First of all, if you have ED problems, talk to your primary care doctor, not some shady website.
Device looks interesting though. Joycons are hardly the gold standard for controls but that's not a deal breaker.
I need to find me a portable pocketable handheld. Do miss them. I'll keep searching and will definitely carry it with me everywhere
I got a Retroid Pocket 2+ and it's great. Perfect size too, fits right in pocket.
As already noted, the D900 will surprise you if you look into what it can do. Folks are also overlooking that the D900 supports Wifi6, so from a streaming perspective the Lite is actually better.
Very proud of you bringing awareness to ED. Even sneaking it in as a sponsor. Just one of life's many struggles that men have to deal with silently. There's no wonder our suicide rate is 30% higher than women.
Drastic is #1 for emulating Nds games on Android. I'm not sure why TH-camrs like this guy ignore it. I've been using it for years and it runs everything flawlessly on my S21 plus Android cell. I even converted my old LG Stylo 4 into a DS emulator using Drastic because of the stylus. Even with a snap dragon 455 chip set, it runs everything flawlessly.
hey even with sd410 and 1gb of ram, Drastic still runs perfect and amazing
I ran across your comment and I can confirm that Drastic is AMAZING!! Currently playing heart gold and soulsilver with zero issues. Runs absolutely smooth on my s21 ultra.
@@flick2flick yes drastic is so optimized that it'll run on low end devices without any problem and slowing
@@raihanlazuardi6632 Do you know if Drastic is also used on the actual DS device when brewed? If not, is there a way to transport my heartgold save file from my 21 ultra to the DS?
@@flick2flick hmm unfortunately I'm not into technical stuff so I don't know
Taki Udon has videos running Steam games with a Windows installation on this thing. Pretty cool IMO. I have too many devices to be interested but it’s nice to see where this is going.
Burnout 3 you say? A fellow man of culture I see.
Man, PS2 and GameCube. It has been a LONG time coming but it is here. It has been here a while on high end phones but there aren't a lot of phones that have a fan. ARM CPUs are powerful without a fan but a fan helps a lot, like doubling the performance in some cases.
Incidentally, there's option in Retroarch settings just to swap buttons A and B around. When I use Switch for awhile I struggle using XBox Controls and end up pressing B when I meant to be pressing A. So I do the Retroarch reverse button option which helps. It looks like Odin has XBox setup.
I hope Odin sends you the base and lite models so we can see you talk about those as well.
And even you can put all of your classic android apps. Spotify or even netflix too. Damn i need one
If I hadn't gotten a Steam Deck reservation, I would totally get this Pro Odin.
Cancel the reservation. I did
Dont cancel it, this is garbage compared to it
This looks good. Steam Deck looks massive ! Also this does 1080p... steamdeck only does slightly higher than 720p.
For retro games 1080p isn't really doing much. PPI is more important overall, but given how low-res textures and low poly models were, it's a wash. For now on retro games, could this run current gen at full resolution anyways?
I'm really wanting this one now, thanks for the review! Just wanted to say, for 2DS and 3DS games, I insist on original hardware. For everything else, emulation is fine.
I agree but with foldable devices I’m hoping they can take that over
Customers: We just want nostalgic Pokemon games like Fire Red or Emerald to be in Nintendo Switch's market.
Nintendo: I mean we can, but we don't want to and it will never happen.
Ayn Odin: *Fine. I'll do it myself*
Looks actually really cool wasn’t expecting much from these types also your ads are perfect
How do you know the Lite will perform worse? It's a 2021 midrange vs 2018 flagship situation, I don't think it's going to be a bloodwash for either side, besides, the 6nm chip in the Lite should have better battery life than the 10nm SD845
I got the base and it's still pretty dope. It can emulate all the same stuff as the pro model. The extra ram doesn't affect emulation.
Glad to hear this. Most, if not all, channels are only reviewing the Pro.
The base is still an incredible unit for sure. Really the only reason to get the Pro is if you plan to put windows on it, or use HD Textures with your games.
@@keiz_ that’s really good to know. I’ll keep my eyes peeled for any gameplay comparisons, but if that’s the case then I think I’ll absolutely snag one of these over a Switch Lite or Steam Deck.
Have you tried installing Windows 11 on it? It will be great to play indie games from Steam library.
@@keiz_ I'll keep that in mind. Might buy the base model
I recommend just buying the case from AYN when you order the Odin. It was only like $10 and fits the Odin perfectly.
Where did you get a Odin?
the last ad was hilarious and they're bound to be even more upset now, hahahahhaha. your ads are the best, bob.
This video and others made my decision on which portable emulator to buy. I like the look and the UI. I'm pretty happy I can dock it, but that's not a deal breaker for me. The lite model will do what I want pretty easily, and if I can get it to work with steamlink, it'll be my go to.
This was incredibly helpful, man, thanks. Looks like a fun device!
Was already thinking about getting this, definitely don’t need it but i might have to. Damn. Also a raise is deserved for the end joke of the ad, A+ stuff.
Bro finally a competitor to the steam deck and switch. Finally. Yes.
There is not a content creator on this planet that does it as well as Bob does.
This looks awesome! I think i'll go with the lite as I'll primary use it for game pass and the easier to run emulators. Great review Bob!
Might as well use your phone
@@onion_____ game pass sucks on ios, and i'd rather have physical controls
Make a long video of only roman commercials please, they are hilarious.
I’ve never picked one of theses things up, but you convinced me, I just ordered the translucent purple pro
Nice! Any idea how long it will take to receive it?
Switch the audio from time stretch to async mix in the emulator settings to fix that wonky ps2 audio
About time someone got it right.
You might’ve sold me on this Bob. I kinda want a steam deck to make it my ultimate emulator with occasionally playing bigger modern titles like Batman, Star Wars or whatever. But for the price point, d-pad, size idk I’m hesitant to take the dive. Love my switch but this thing looks to scratch the itch of portable retro games and easier on the wallet. Will still consider the steam deck but this baby looks sweet
This looks a lot better than I was expecting, but I think you have made me jaded about the portable emulators
Yay Bob got one!!!
This thing is amazing I love mine.
DS emulation on android definitely is not a retroarch affair, Drastic is the emulator you want. It's a paid app, but a must, as even on the pc the retroarch DS cores perform worst than the standalones. Best of worlds would be if drastic became open source and a retroarch core was made
Why is the ad always the best part of the video?
That bag in 21:21 is for the Switch Lite? it fits perfectly. Good to know.
The lite is actually not worse. Dimensity 900 is a much newer SoC made on newer process. It also has better WiFi and should be more power efficient. We'd need to wait for proper benchmarks but other Dimensity 900 devices have great benchmarks but not too much gaming emulation information right now.
The Cpu is on par, if not slightly better, the the GPU will be just a tiny but behind. The biggest thing though is just driver support isn't there as much
My retro nostalgia ends at Dreamcast, so anything that plays DC games almost perfectly is way, way, way enough for me.
RP2+ is like that for me. Odin looks cool just for the fact you can play GameCube and PS2, but the screen is just too wide and playing 4:3 games means you're not gonna fill up the whole display. If you buy it for modern games and/or game streaming (as advertised), then it's a lot more justified.
@@soapbox9139 I was thinking about the RP2 + but I think the screen size and overall build is too small for what I'm looking for. At least the Odin is larger and moreso designed to play console games. I don't mind black bars on the sides, if I wanted to play wide-screen I'd play on PC. I am looking for portability that'll play Dreamcast and under. 👍
I didn't knew this guy, but this has been the Best review of this handheld to this date.
the internet got something right??? thats more rare than twitch chat getting something right. insane.
This little thing looks so cool so I checked the indiegogo right after watching your video to get me one bit apparently shipping to the EU will be charge 21% of tax so the price of the base model goes up to 280 include shipping fee damn it 😔 Hope that in the future other sort of distribution will be available in the EU 😥
The D900 is a good midrange SoC and for games and emulation, better cpu than the Snap 845 but unfortunaly a worse gpu. For n64/psp/Dreamcast i would expect same performance, but PS2/GC/Wii are more compatible to Snapdragon SoCs and D900 will have a worse performance
The nostalgia at the start of the video with that song!
Aaaaaand this video is the sole reason I just backed these guys on Indigogo. One AYN Odin Pro coming up. Thanks Bob.
Use Citra MMJ instead of default Citra. WAAAY better performance. Also, the Odin works in most third-party Switch docks.
I'm looking for one console dedicated for Ps2 and PsP. The psp is pretty tough to look for in an emulator console.
You can still adjust the fan setting separately from the performance setting when you first switch to performance mode from standard it puts the fan in quiet mode but you can also have it in Smart mode or sport mode .
When you put it into high performance it automatically goes into the sport mode but you can go down to smart mode or toggle manual where you can crank it even higher than the sport mode
Goddammit, 3:08 had me in tears. All alone in my apartment. AND ITS A GODDAMN AD!
Well done, Wulf. Well done.
This portable emulator looks like it will be the best of it's kind for a very long time.
Seems like he only make a video about it because he got it for free from the company and need to say something nice about it. Just a feeling...
@@markmystery3536 your feeling is wrong lol he paid for it. he said that in the video you just watched and got a feeling from
Pretty awesome! I'm all about minimizing so I like to have one device. Although if you went with a razer kishi for your phone you would have to technically carry 2 'things'. Anyway.. a razer kishi is $50 now(renewed amazon) which can transform anyone's smartphone into something similar to the odin. In fact you could buy a renewed PIxel 3 for $120/renewed or a pixel 3xl for $140 renewed and you'd be under $200 with the same snapdragon 845(i think) as whats in the odin.. plus you'd have Android 12 just like the new Pixel 6... I rambled :(
could it dock?
What’s the problem? Your commercial was Nuts #WulffDenDad
This is hands down the best retro emulation and portable hand held device !
Damn..
I may need to sell all my emulation devices and actual handhelds and pick this up. (I rarely touch the actual handhelds anymore)
I already sold most of my emulation handhelds. I quite enjoy my Odin pro and I’m waiting on my Lite to come
@@FirebrandChris yeah. i'm selling mine now. I use Lemuroid or whatever its called on android and it has cloud saves and works really well.
This looks so cool, but I would like to see if the controls get worn out over time. After seeing good reviews on 8-Bit do controllers I bought 2 for my Switch. Both ended up with a sticky A button after about 1000 hours.
thats odd, i use my 2 8bitdo controllers all the time and have never had an issue. contact their support?
@@timestopMachinist I might do that sometime, for now I have bought Pro Controllers. Both my 8-Bit do (SN30 Pro and SN30Pro+) controllers were used to play Diablo 3. How many thousand hours have you used yours, if I may ask?
@@hai5266 idk exactly how long ive used each, but i used my pro for pretty much every platformer i played, and when i had company, and i tossed it in my bag to use on my phone for a while (still do when i have the opportunity). when i got the pro+, i did all that except for tossing it in my bag. i use them on switch, my laptop, and wired on my desktop, as well as my phone. theyve been super reliable controllers for me, and my friends who have gotten them seem to share the sentiment. it sucks that youve had issues with yours but sticky buttons are usually fixable, even if you dont want to contact support. just yesterday i had to fix the switch on one of my mouse buttons for similar reasons
Okay thanks, that is good to know. Not sure if I want to give them another chance and buy a third one though, now that I use Pro Controllers, I actually find them better. Also the D-Pads on both my 8-Bit do's tend to go sideways when pressing down, it didn't happen right away, maybe after a half year. I bought the second one after the first one got screwed, hoping the "plus"-version was designed better, but they suffer from the exact same problems.
I am most def getting one of these. I have been waiting for a handheld like this for a long time.
I think calling the Lite with Dimensity 900 "significantly worse" is a significant exaggeration, for starters it supports newer android versions, vulkan 1.1 rather than 1.0, wifi 6 vs ac, BT 5.2 vs 5.0 etc
Actually depending on the emulator and your settings (especially if you ordered the 8GB ram version on the lite which was available on IGG) in some situations the d900 will out perform the SD845 (possibly PS2 as it is very CPU intensive).
Not to mention it is a 6nm chip vs 10nm so battery life will be better (more efficient) with the D900.
I didn’t know Emulation was a monarchy ? #wulffdendad
I'm seeing these for $360 with the dock, is that accurate for the Pro model? Don't want to get scammed. Couldn't find a link in the description. Looks incredible and I really want one.
They're still taking orders on Indegogo at the moment. They plan to go full retail, but it'll be a little bit till they fulfill current orders and decide where to sell it retail
@@keiz_ gotcha, thanks!
Base user here performance is really same hmmm I still tell people get the pro bc of the value but with a 1tb card we are finally in retro heaven!!
First thing I ended up doing was playing Burnout 3 for like a day. It was awesome.