I remember seeing the lecture that went viral under the title “Best lecture on stoicism” which did not give Prof. Surgrue credit and ended up doing a ton of digging and found some pieces of lecture series. And the Plato commentary he did for the great courses, which is a whole other series available on audible in which he gets into the dialogues. Was very happy when his daughter started a channel for him, and I think it must have been a fulfilling final chapter.
listening to you answer questions is some of the best material if yours bc it allows you to offer insights i guess we wouldnt normally say in a prepared lesson. Thanks so much for leaving the wisdom of your years of study for future generations to freely watch. Best to you Mike. -Rich
6:00 You know, I always “felt” like I knew this, but I never put it together well enough for the words to quite make it out of my mouth, let alone the way they come from yours. On top of that, your placing this lesson in the context of the Greek literary body is to me, absolutely revelatory. Pure, joyful, liquid knowledge. Excellent thesis, doctor. I’m forever a better man. Or, at least, I know what it would mean to be so. 🥇
This captivating man has stolen all my free time, but who could chide the owner of such a charming sentient beard, and for telling what needed hearing?
You should do a video about your own personal philosophy. You've read so many philosophers, have you put something together from all of it? One has to imagine that it's somewhat cohesive, even if one or two ideas can't be reconciled. I consider myself a Stoic Buddhist, is there something you would label yourself as?
The Oeconomicus (Greek: Οἰκονομικός) by Xenophon is a Socratic dialogue principally about household management and agriculture. and In The Clouds, Aristophanes’ portrays Socrates as a Sophist. Bing searches
You need to difference the proper vocabulary for either thing as both things are talked about constantly. Spiritual soul is a more advanced theme, and is indeed existent, from Plato you will get to that in the future
@@mellywood thank you. I guess what im trying to figure out is if plato believed in the immaterial soul. Did he believed in the afterlife. I would find it shocking if he did believe in the immaterial soul since its nonexistence.
@@francpez7564 Plato still believing reincarnation, maybe not in Homeric religious way, but more on Epicuran-atomic way, that reincarnation its just a process of being-becoming of one bodies and soul. Phaedo and Timaeus best explained his idea on reincarnation
@@penggunasepertinyatidakdik4374 As I understand it, the soul does not exist. However, a type of reincarnation is true. I say a type of reincarnation is true because we never regain our consciousness after death. Since our consciousness is made of matter. Let me explain: The word soul is just another word for brain. We are mechanical beings made of flesh and bone. When the brain goes, we go. You would agree that if the soul existed it would be indestructible and no type of matter or energy would be able to alter or destroy its form. Correct? So, how is it that as we age, we lose our cognitive abilities? The whole purpose of having a soul is to be able to remember ourselves and our family members, but as time goes, we slowly lose that ability. After death, your atoms will spread across the earth and will go on to take other forms. You would be surprised to learn that you were once a dinosaur, a spider, a fly and among other things.
Sir..please.. I apologise. There is no malice on my part. I will read alongside you and impart the questions in a respectful manner. I understand/respect the thoughts of youth..and your ultimate endeavour. So for a new start..please accept me. The questioning will be tough..the thought processes varied..We can no longer ‘dance around the subject’ Your expositions on the Republic..so far.. are exquisite..although at 20 you never held an epiphany! I am at present.. writing down authors of books that say “ this has been a work of 10 years/a decade of thought etc or even commentary ‘this was a decade of thought” A decade seems current currency..an ultimate endeavour in fact.. God bless you.. I will watch this through until the very end..
Damn it! This reads back like I am saying you need 10 years on board before you can comment! This is not what I am saying..I am being very critical of current authorship that place a decade as some sort of marker..8 or 9 years couldn’t possibly do… let’s make it 10 for kudos..Communication eh! Even in the current age I feel myself saying no no no..please don’t think I am saying that..
Xenophon has had a bit of a resurgence, has your view on him changed at all? What amazes me is that the Socratic irony is still there, I thought maybe that was Plato's invention.
here is a quick run down There are 3 course going on simultaneously. Greek and their heroes: This is open to all, is always on the second sunday of the month going foward. (TODAY 10.12.2023 8am EST there will be zoom zession 13 Hours from this comment) History of the world: Every 3rd sunday of the month: technically you have to pay like on his substacks but you can join for if you wait on the zoom (Consider subscribe to his substacks, pay your dues) Medical Doctor course, always on the 4th sunday of the month: suppose to be only for doctors but some join anyway and mike dont mind. You can find all the required reading for each of these course on his community tabs on you tube. The course always start at 8pm EST on the said 3 sundays on each month. you can join the other course if you camp the zoom room, if he dosnt show up on time that means he is too sick to lecture. Zoom Room. Meeting ID: 473 254 4163 Passcode: 606994
here is a quick run down There are 3 course going on simultaneously. Greek and their heroes: This is open to all, is always on the second sunday of the month going foward. (TODAY 10.12.2023 8am EST there will be zoom zession 13 Hours from this comment) History of the world: Every 3rd sunday of the month: technically you have to pay like on his substacks but you can join for if you wait on the zoom (Consider subscribe to his substacks, pay your dues) Medical Doctor course, always on the 4th sunday of the month: suppose to be only for doctors but some join anyway and mike dont mind. You can find all the required reading for each of these course on his community tabs on you tube. The course always start at 8pm EST on the said 3 sundays on each month. you can join the other course if you camp the zoom room, if he dosnt show up on time that means he is too sick to lecture. Zoom Room. Meeting ID: 473 254 4163 Passcode: 606994
here is a quick run down There are 3 course going on simultaneously. Greek and their heroes: This is open to all, is always on the second sunday of the month going foward. (TODAY 10.12.2023 8am EST there will be zoom zession 13 Hours from this comment) History of the world: Every 3rd sunday of the month: technically you have to pay like on his substacks but you can join for if you wait on the zoom (Consider subscribe to his substacks, pay your dues) Medical Doctor course, always on the 4th sunday of the month: suppose to be only for doctors but some join anyway and mike dont mind. You can find all the required reading for each of these course on his community tabs on you tube. The course always start at 8pm EST on the said 3 sundays on each month. you can join the other course if you camp the zoom room, if he dosnt show up on time that means he is too sick to lecture. Zoom Room. Meeting ID: 473 254 4163 Passcode: 606994
I said before that translating Eudaimonia as happiness, flourishing or well being depending on the context it's used in causes a misunderstanding of all Greek philosophy. The corner stones are off so the whole building is a shit show. They can't apply it because they don't understand it.
I met a woman recently, an American woman, and she was working on translating the Hebrew Bible into English. I asked her how much do you think you are losing in translation? I'm using this method, that method and the other method she snapped. All these scriptures and texts are loaded with oxymorons and ambiguities. I'll tell you now, she was too stupid and morally righteous to pick up on them, yet alone translate them. They don't translate. If you understand Nature you have some hope but if you are a person that imposes their morality on Nature, that is exactly what you will do.
Several times now you have held math up as the be all and end all. Pythagoras created a sect, how can you refute an argument if you can't understand it. So here we have the beginning of the academics asserting themselves as an authority on what's true. Plato did the math. Math is held up as definitive, seemingly by you too but in a Universe composed of binary opposites, ambiguities, paradoxes , and hierarchical systems everything is true and false simultaneously. Math as a definitive truth is bullshit.
Another point on Plato's great writing style: He never seems to describe the characters that much, he let's their words describe themselves and you as the reader make assumptions of how they might look thru your minds eye in receiving their words and translating that into our world experiences. Certainly most writing allows this process but it's seems to me Plato distinctly let's a person's rhetoric describe them. Even if Plato may dislike some of his characters, he is very subtle in his jabs. They hang themselves with their argument, presented by Plato for them, then he brings in Socrates to finish them off. Hilarious.
What I love most about The Republic is how Genius Plato is as a writer. He builds an incredible framework for the story. He builds a pseudonym into the story, a double Plato to do his dirty work. Socrates. But in fact Socrates is both an idea man and henchman in this story. He presents ideas and executes wrong ones. Meanwhile, Plato is really playing the jokes as a writer. He is the one making dirty cracks at the others in the room with how he writes them in. It's genius. He puts layer after layer of themes and concepts, wrapped into a story that is itself an allegorical tale. All the while the story is ultra simple: a bunch of people in a room chatting. But rarely back and forth mostly making claims of the highest approach to their ideas as they can, amassing long passages of lyrical quotation unmatched really by any other writer I've read.
"I encourage your pursuit of knowledge, it's good for you!" - What a lovely saying! I appreciate it.
I remember seeing the lecture that went viral under the title “Best lecture on stoicism” which did not give Prof. Surgrue credit and ended up doing a ton of digging and found some pieces of lecture series. And the Plato commentary he did for the great courses, which is a whole other series available on audible in which he gets into the dialogues. Was very happy when his daughter started a channel for him, and I think it must have been a fulfilling final chapter.
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listening to you answer questions is some of the best material if yours bc it allows you to offer insights i guess we wouldnt normally say in a prepared lesson. Thanks so much for leaving the wisdom of your years of study for future generations to freely watch. Best to you Mike. -Rich
Dr. Sugrue’s lectures are proof that God loves us and wants us to know the truth.
Thank you, Dr. Sugrue. I'm glad you are better and continuing your classes. It is an honor to just listen.❤
Seconded!
Listening from Paris at 1 in the am. Thank you professor ❤️
Thank you for giving me a shred of hope for humanity...
Hear, hear!
What a good heart! 👏
My 4th father it seems 😂😂❤
I’m so happy I found this channel.
Im a bit late 😢 But thankfully Im here and theres plenty of videos to discover! ❤ dr. Sugrue
Love this man, like discovering a treasure trove of Jewels 💎
Hello, from Australia friends!
Imagine being the guy that fails to mute themselves on a lecture to be watched hundreds of years from now.
Thank you, so much for sharing this! I look forward to every lecture and discussion, and I am grateful for the new knowledge I walk away with.
Wonderful!
You know Mike, you really had me concerned!
I’m relieved knowing that you’re able to fight the good fight and do what you do Best.
Thanks for being!
Love your content Dr
6:00 You know, I always “felt” like I knew this, but I never put it together well enough for the words to quite make it out of my mouth, let alone the way they come from yours. On top of that, your placing this lesson in the context of the Greek literary body is to me, absolutely revelatory.
Pure, joyful, liquid knowledge. Excellent thesis, doctor. I’m forever a better man. Or, at least, I know what it would mean to be so.
🥇
Welcome back Mike! Good to see that you're doing okay.🙂
This captivating man has stolen all my free time, but who could chide the owner of such a charming sentient beard, and for telling what needed hearing?
Thank you so much for your work🙏🏽
“YOU GONNA GO SMOKE?”
“Nah, I’m getting my laundry!”
lmao
Fascinating segue, the Athenian stranger.
Whoa!!! I'm gonna have to catch the next one of these
thanks again Professor, 🤍
Love you Mike!! Thanks!!!
Amazing 🙏👊
Thank you!
Great lecture, thank you!
Him saying China twice was all I needed. Thanks, Dr. Sugrue, for being a true philosopher.
Because he is a dissident of it.
Don’t outshine the master!
Is there any guide as to what the chronological order is for the lectures on this channel?
You should do a video about your own personal philosophy. You've read so many philosophers, have you put something together from all of it? One has to imagine that it's somewhat cohesive, even if one or two ideas can't be reconciled. I consider myself a Stoic Buddhist, is there something you would label yourself as?
How does one find these seminars?
The Oeconomicus (Greek: Οἰκονομικός) by Xenophon is a Socratic dialogue principally about household management and agriculture. and In The Clouds, Aristophanes’ portrays Socrates as a Sophist. Bing searches
27.57 This moment and comments by the proffessor aeooowww ❤❤
I have a quick question : In the republic, is Plato referring to the physical soul (the mind) or the spiritual soul (nonexistent).
You need to difference the proper vocabulary for either thing as both things are talked about constantly. Spiritual soul is a more advanced theme, and is indeed existent, from Plato you will get to that in the future
Bruh
@@mellywood thank you. I guess what im trying to figure out is if plato believed in the immaterial soul. Did he believed in the afterlife. I would find it shocking if he did believe in the immaterial soul since its nonexistence.
@@francpez7564 Plato still believing reincarnation, maybe not in Homeric religious way, but more on Epicuran-atomic way, that reincarnation its just a process of being-becoming of one bodies and soul. Phaedo and Timaeus best explained his idea on reincarnation
@@penggunasepertinyatidakdik4374 As I understand it, the soul does not exist. However, a type of reincarnation is true. I say a type of reincarnation is true because we never regain our consciousness after death. Since our consciousness is made of matter. Let me explain: The word soul is just another word for brain. We are mechanical beings made of flesh and bone. When the brain goes, we go. You would agree that if the soul existed it would be indestructible and no type of matter or energy would be able to alter or destroy its form. Correct? So, how is it that as we age, we lose our cognitive abilities? The whole purpose of having a soul is to be able to remember ourselves and our family members, but as time goes, we slowly lose that ability. After death, your atoms will spread across the earth and will go on to take other forms. You would be surprised to learn that you were once a dinosaur, a spider, a fly and among other things.
Is someone going to release the Drs notes on The Republic he was working on?
Sir..please.. I apologise. There is no malice on my part. I will read alongside you and impart the questions in a respectful manner. I understand/respect the thoughts of youth..and your ultimate endeavour. So for a new start..please accept me. The questioning will be tough..the thought processes varied..We can no longer ‘dance around the subject’ Your expositions on the Republic..so far.. are exquisite..although at 20 you never held an epiphany! I am at present.. writing down authors of books that say “ this has been a work of 10 years/a decade of thought etc or even commentary ‘this was a decade of thought” A decade seems current currency..an ultimate endeavour in fact.. God bless you.. I will watch this through until the very end..
Damn it! This reads back like I am saying you need 10 years on board before you can comment! This is not what I am saying..I am being very critical of current authorship that place a decade as some sort of marker..8 or 9 years couldn’t possibly do… let’s make it 10 for kudos..Communication eh! Even in the current age I feel myself saying no no no..please don’t think I am saying that..
Rip, I just discovered him. Sad
It is true, starting from the number 0 (ZERO) you are capable of not only manipulating numbers but also solving the mystery of arithmetics!
Cool
The only thing I know is that I know nothing
The rest of us picked up on that about you long long ago.
Xenophon has had a bit of a resurgence, has your view on him changed at all? What amazes me is that the Socratic irony is still there, I thought maybe that was Plato's invention.
You know he’s dead right?
how do i join the zoom calls?
Does anyone know when the next class on The Republic happens? Is on a Sunday in December? Thanks!
here is a quick run down
There are 3 course going on simultaneously.
Greek and their heroes: This is open to all, is always on the second sunday of the month going foward. (TODAY 10.12.2023 8am EST there will be zoom zession 13 Hours from this comment)
History of the world: Every 3rd sunday of the month: technically you have to pay like on his substacks but you can join for if you wait on the zoom (Consider subscribe to his substacks, pay your dues)
Medical Doctor course, always on the 4th sunday of the month: suppose to be only for doctors but some join anyway and mike dont mind.
You can find all the required reading for each of these course on his community tabs on you tube.
The course always start at 8pm EST on the said 3 sundays on each month. you can join the other course if you camp the zoom room, if he dosnt show up on time that means he is too sick to lecture.
Zoom Room.
Meeting ID: 473 254 4163
Passcode: 606994
What’s the link for this class
Could be patreon i dont know though
How does one attend these lectures?
here is a quick run down
There are 3 course going on simultaneously.
Greek and their heroes: This is open to all, is always on the second sunday of the month going foward. (TODAY 10.12.2023 8am EST there will be zoom zession 13 Hours from this comment)
History of the world: Every 3rd sunday of the month: technically you have to pay like on his substacks but you can join for if you wait on the zoom (Consider subscribe to his substacks, pay your dues)
Medical Doctor course, always on the 4th sunday of the month: suppose to be only for doctors but some join anyway and mike dont mind.
You can find all the required reading for each of these course on his community tabs on you tube.
The course always start at 8pm EST on the said 3 sundays on each month. you can join the other course if you camp the zoom room, if he dosnt show up on time that means he is too sick to lecture.
Zoom Room.
Meeting ID: 473 254 4163
Passcode: 606994
How do I join these livestreams?
Am I still able to join this class? I’d like to be able to ask dr sugrue questions and thank him for his work.
I too would like to join!
How can I join the next one?
what is the class the people in the video are in?
here is a quick run down
There are 3 course going on simultaneously.
Greek and their heroes: This is open to all, is always on the second sunday of the month going foward. (TODAY 10.12.2023 8am EST there will be zoom zession 13 Hours from this comment)
History of the world: Every 3rd sunday of the month: technically you have to pay like on his substacks but you can join for if you wait on the zoom (Consider subscribe to his substacks, pay your dues)
Medical Doctor course, always on the 4th sunday of the month: suppose to be only for doctors but some join anyway and mike dont mind.
You can find all the required reading for each of these course on his community tabs on you tube.
The course always start at 8pm EST on the said 3 sundays on each month. you can join the other course if you camp the zoom room, if he dosnt show up on time that means he is too sick to lecture.
Zoom Room.
Meeting ID: 473 254 4163
Passcode: 606994
RIP Mícheálín, a mac.
Thanks for the video! Are the dates for this course’s Zoom lectures available anywhere?
This zoom lecture is from 11.9.2023 ^^
@@acolus3413I saw that. I’m asking about the schedule for future lectures
@@MurrayDsGuitarandBass always on the second sunday of the month going forward. Check older lecture video for Zoom room code
@@acolus3413 Thank you!
@@acolus3413Just to confirm, tomorrow, 12/10, will be Republic 3 and Thucydides at 8 PM EST?
Thanks for the help!
I don't agree with your interpretation of Shiva's anatomy either, but it's an interesting perspective.
11:10 ruined this part of the republic lecture ugh, people need to learn how to use zoom
Advanced biostructural correction for you’re back bro
Ah Michael, don't pick fights?
I said before that translating Eudaimonia as happiness, flourishing or well being depending on the context it's used in causes a misunderstanding of all Greek philosophy. The corner stones are off so the whole building is a shit show.
They can't apply it because they don't understand it.
He keeps saying it's a great book, but does he ever say why he thinks that?
Thompson Gary Robinson Edward Lopez Michael
Spend the time to learn Homeric Greek
That's exactly what he needs, some dogmatic indoctrination.
I met a woman recently, an American woman, and she was working on translating the Hebrew Bible into English.
I asked her how much do you think you are losing in translation? I'm using this method, that method and the other method she snapped.
All these scriptures and texts are loaded with oxymorons and ambiguities. I'll tell you now, she was too stupid and morally righteous to pick up on them, yet alone translate them. They don't translate. If you understand Nature you have some hope but if you are a person that imposes their morality on Nature, that is exactly what you will do.
Several times now you have held math up as the be all and end all. Pythagoras created a sect, how can you refute an argument if you can't understand it.
So here we have the beginning of the academics asserting themselves as an authority on what's true. Plato did the math.
Math is held up as definitive, seemingly by you too but in a Universe composed of binary opposites, ambiguities, paradoxes , and hierarchical systems everything is true and false simultaneously. Math as a definitive truth is bullshit.
Another point on Plato's great writing style: He never seems to describe the characters that much, he let's their words describe themselves and you as the reader make assumptions of how they might look thru your minds eye in receiving their words and translating that into our world experiences.
Certainly most writing allows this process but it's seems to me Plato distinctly let's a person's rhetoric describe them. Even if Plato may dislike some of his characters, he is very subtle in his jabs. They hang themselves with their argument, presented by Plato for them, then he brings in Socrates to finish them off.
Hilarious.
What I love most about The Republic is how Genius Plato is as a writer.
He builds an incredible framework for the story.
He builds a pseudonym into the story, a double Plato to do his dirty work. Socrates. But in fact Socrates is both an idea man and henchman in this story. He presents ideas and executes wrong ones.
Meanwhile, Plato is really playing the jokes as a writer. He is the one making dirty cracks at the others in the room with how he writes them in. It's genius.
He puts layer after layer of themes and concepts, wrapped into a story that is itself an allegorical tale. All the while the story is ultra simple: a bunch of people in a room chatting. But rarely back and forth mostly making claims of the highest approach to their ideas as they can, amassing long passages of lyrical quotation unmatched really by any other writer I've read.
Thank you!
Thank you!