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I fell into the elektron trap... I laid out a bed and have been chilling here ever since. im not bouncing around between daws and gear and workflows constantly. just pure jammin'
So it's like a venus fly trap for you lol Glad you found your workflow!
YEAH WELL THE OCTATRACK HAS A SLIDER.
*mic drop*
Thats why I only got the octatrack. Twice. Cause I sold it once by accident.
LOL
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I'm glad you pointed this out so directly and succinctly. I think in most cases (with a few exceptions) the reason we like leaving the computer or DAW is because the limitations inspire us to create things we otherwise wouldn't have created. Unfortunately, some limitations frustrate us more than they inspire us, and limitations designed to make you buy more things are among the most frustrating. I think you helped me understand why I never really jived well with the Elektron workflow. 🙏🏼
Everyone wants to be Dawless but nobody wants to pay the price lol
We want hardware as powerful as new computers cause they costs just as much as them, but no piece of hardware could replicate what you get from a DAW.
But is it wrong to want more? 🤷🏻♀
I don’t think elektron adds intentionally limitations just to force people buy more gear .. Every piece in their collection is very clearly driven by some vision they had about that particular device .. I was for 6-7 years in close contact with dev of iOS app Nanostudio (did beta testing for him, factory presets, we discussed a lot about implemented features) - there i understod that sometimes developer/maker of some SW/HW just has very clear vision wherr his product should go and adding features which simply doesn’t match with that vision may be very frustrating and may even lead to burn out and loosing interest to develop product anymore ..
So i just accept Elektron’s vision of their products. I am sarisfied user of DT/DN/ST , but i sold A4/Oct cause they didn’t clicked with me.. but that’s just me.
I think blaming developers/company that they do not implement some features just to force users to buy more their products is unfair. Especially with relatively small companies driven by enthusiasm and vision. Maybe Roland, Korg, other companies.. hard to say.
Great response 👍 I feel the same way
Agreed. I have too many Elektron devices, and they're all beautiful and capable in their own right, but damn, they don't make it easy to get even close to a full track. It took me a while to come to love the Polyend Tracker workflow. Yeah, I wish it had a proper synth engine, but it's so much easier to flesh out a somewhat complete track on it while sitting on the couch. Can't do that nearly as well with any single Elektron box.
@@JAdeWii_ I think I disagree though. I don’t see any reason why someone can’t stuff a few instances of Serum in a Pi of some sort for a reasonable price. It’s just not always cost effective to sell solutions instead of problems. The OT changed making electronic music for me FOR SURE but all of them being limited to 8 voices is why I still only have an OT from Elektron. I bought the Electribe 2 and 2s. It’s not a Digitakt and Digitone but you can get one for $200 and it does 24 operations/4 notes per part.
I love my Elektron gear, but this is a perfect description of the “Trap” that they put you in. Trying to manage a live set with 3 Elektron devices is something that you really need to practice. They are all very deep units, and you can do so much with them, but each one has its own learning curve and in my case, using the Digitakt, Syntakt, and Digitone, can really make my brain hurt while trying to put together a set.
so true and best to simplify with just one Elektron box. For live sets, I would use my Virus Ti2 and Elektron Rytm or just grab my 4u modular drum case.
As on any machine
Totally agree that three Elektrons at the same time are too much of a thing to process, especially live. The only way it works for me is with serious preparation and pattern syncing. I rarely switch on more than one Elektron machine at a time but I enjoy using each one of them.
That's why I limit myself. I only use 2 of them. Syntakt and Octatrack MK2, I don't see why I would get any of the other ones due to the learning curve. At this point it's better to add either a modular system to it or maybe just a guitar etc. Something I can just pick up and add on with out much effort. Also I think it goes without saying that preparation is key. With preparation this video is utterly pointless because you could prepare a full set on digitakt or syntakt alone without any other tool. I think she just a p%#@@
Jade wii literally described step by step what happened to me and how I ended up with 5 elektron machines at one point( I ended up returning the octatrak and selling off my analog heat). Now I have the AR, A4, and digitone. Every so often I unplug all but 1 machine to get good at it.
The best decision I ever made creatively and financially was watching Elektron workflow tutorials and then working out how to apply those principals to my DAW.
Only 8 tracks on the Digitakt? Only gonna let myself make 8 tracks in my DAW. Samples only? Very well, I will only work with samples - no plugins except FX. Only mono samples? Well now, hold on a minute... Who said I had to apply EVERY limitation from the Digitakt? And what if later on I decide I want one more track? What if I want more than two FX return tracks? Hell, what if there's a synth plugin I think would sound really good over my beat? Already got the basic structure down thanks to all the distractions I avoided earlier, and now I can add more to it without having to buy another machine.
Limitations, not roadblocks, that's what I say.
Totally agree
nice approach ! ❤
I’ve never had the urge to comment something like “Testify!!!” I appreciate so much that you are honest with your content.
I prefer the phrase "talk that shit JAde!" 🤣
I Couldn’t finish a track until I got my Digitakt more than one year ago. That was after 4 years of making music. That for me says a lot.
I work as UX designer and I can tell Elektron has the best devices I’ve tried. You can really notice there is a team taking care of the architecture and user interactions.
Also felt the elektron trap but until there I was able to avoid more super expensive gear. Thats forcing me to go deeper into the device I have.
Thanks for creating this content, you are very inspiring to me. I’m also creating youtube videos in Spanish about “synth stuff” and you are one of my references since beginning ❤
I think this happens with all the major brands. Get an Aira - you will want them all, get a Volca, you will want them all. Get a Model Cycles, you will want a Digitone, then Digitakt, then the Four then the Okta… it never ends. lol
You are 110% correct. This is not unique to Elektron.
I honestly get everything I need out of my Octatrack, and it’s increased my ability to add more options to my workflow. Never really cared much to sequence synths till I had all the wild options I get with it. I just hope this doesn’t increase the stigma. I can’t stop using that machine and it really gave me a shift in perception.
Love these videos you’ve been posting, always enjoy the topics.
Mad respect 👊
As an Elektron lover, I love hearing this side of things! A big part of my passion about their gear is I’ve learned that it’s 100% a “this works best for ME” thing not a “this is the best gear” thing. There def is an element of being trapped in the ecosystem though
A fellow synther 👾
Hi Daniel!!! I love your music.
@@JAdeWii_ He has a great almost 'only Elektron' TH-cam channel.
@@avengingsylph howdy!! Aw thanks 😊
@@SlowHaste Your videos are part of the reason why I got into music as a creative avenue. I should be the one thanking you.
what’s “lacking” on the octotrack? sure it’s old, but it’s still a unique beast 13 years later
“no synth engine” lol I love my Octa.
Being able to record 128 steps without a bunch of BS, midi over USB, and scenes for midi tracks so I can use the crossfader on external gear.
Good thing about the Octatrack is anything it's missing you can just hook up to it and MIDI control
exactly, all I need is octa and virus
the ultimate combo!@@matejv2840
Same thing I've said for over a year. What Elektron really needs is a workstation synthesizer. I have the RYTM MKII, Analogy IV MKII, and just got the Octarak MKII. I didn't think I would really need the Octatrak. However, it's such an incredible machine (sampler, midi controller, mangler, drum machine, arranger, and so forth). Elektron has the potential to really produce incredible that would be ground breaking, like the Korg M1 workstation, when it first came out. Imagine the following:
1. Sampling capabilities of the Octatrak or Digitak.
2. Pads like the RYTM MKII (just a litte softer).
3 Keys like the Analog IV MKII or a set of 13 keyboard keys.
4. A large screen (10-12 inches) or the capabilities of running a monitor into the synthesizer that runs Overbridge.
5. 16 analog voices and 32 digital voices.
6. That incredible 16 step sequencer.
7. The ability to add your own 2TB (or higher) M.2 SSD.
8. A specialized effects section.
9. Tons of buttons (to lessen the menu diving)
What does this? Workstations! I have the Korg Kronos II. I can almost do anything (without questions, it's self contained... no mixer, effects processors, and so forth are needed... it stands on its own). Still one of the greatest Workstations ever built. However, it's Achilles heel is the work flow is far too complex and non-intuitive. Elektron has a UI that once it's learned it's so got damn powerful and intuitive. If Elektron would to ever create such a machine, it would engulf the market. They have the potential to really create something that is powerful and easy of use.
People tell me such a UI is impossible. I tell them look at the Waldorf Iridium (I have one). It is by far the most complex synthesizer (not workstation) on the market. Nothing comes close to its capabilities (subtractive synthesis, wave tables, FM synthesis, granular synthesis, and resonator synthesis) and as a beginner I could navigate around it in days without the manual.
Dead on, Jada, I swear, at the beginning you were talking about me. I am an Elektron fanboy but I agree with you completely.
I think of it this way; With a solid sampler like the Octatrack or Digitakt, you can sample any single sound or loop you want and effectively port down your entire composition to one box. Of course, I don't use my gear as a composition tool, rather I arrange and sample on a computer first, then import custom sets of complimentary loops and sounds to work with. More of a live set tool than anything.
They don’t make the devices lacking imo. They are just specialized and purpose driven. It’s kinda the point to look at them as modules that all connect together.
Love Elektron, had a Syntakt for about 5 months but decided to sell it for similar reasons. For the price of the Syntakt, I felt I could sell it and use that money to get 2 or 3 devices that collectively could do more. I think you nailed it when you said that companies try to make each device lack something, so we will have to buy another device to fill the void. Agree with all you said.
I see no issue. Two Octatracks and it's done. Stef Mendesidis is a prime example; he can play 3h+ live sets.
I’m usually fine with just one octatrack mk2, but two is ideal.
I feel you, which is why I never pulled the trigger on elektron.. Almost but the specs swayed my decision. Great up load
so... the trap is that elektron is basically awesome and you want more. that's not bad. for sure is great for elektron :D but really, an "all in one" machine, there's just one thing that does it and that is your DAW. and if interface is what you need to work it then there's really a bunch of them, from NI Maschine to Push etc. MPC's are another option, but I really dont see Elektron doing an MPC like box and this is also why, I think, so many of us love the Elektron universe, it's exactly that dedicated box that acts like an *instrument* with a very specific set of capacities, behavior etc. and it is really fundamental, not only to the workflow but to the mental(?) connection we make with tools and the way they can work for us.
Totally agree!
I think my ideal would be something with the full workstation/hub & clip/scene launch aspects of the Akai Force, combined with all the best features of the various Elektron boxes.
Whoever invented the guitar really limited us by not including a stereo sampler and multitimbrality.
I feel as though the MC-707 can do most things sequencing, sampling and digital synth users would need to make music really fast. It has a huge library of internal samples, a bunch of monophonic and polyphonic synth libraries as well as a sophisticated synth engine. Especially with live midi and parameter looping (via mapped channel knobs), you can hook up external synths and keyboards and go really far with a far less expensive option. The drum sequencing is more advanced than it gets credit for as well, with a smaller array of parameter locks then you'd get from something like the Octatrack Mk1 (I own both, bought for around the same price fwiw). Part of the strength of the MC-707 relies on multiple channels with multiple sequencers, whereas Electron Octatrack seems to have one sequencer for every channel, if the difference makes sense. It also has a much larger effects library for your signal chain than the Octatrack. Correct me if I am wrong but the Octatrack can run MIDI and the other machines simultaneously, whereas with the 707 I'm pretty sure you have to sacrifice one channel for synth/sample/drum or MIDI. You do get polyphony but projects have a limit of 128 voices, so if you're making break beat tracks using the Chord mode then you might find voice stealing more quickly. Unfortunately I've had a tougher time sitting down specifically with the OT because I'm using several analog synths with their own key-beds, and live looping is really fast for me to get a bassline down and save a project or a patch.
Elektron user here, I feel the exact same way from everyhingyou stated un your video. They were used to make amazing devices but it feels that their business strategy is degrading the creativitry of their newer products.
So… I got my first Elektron device a week ago - pulled the trigger on a Digitakt 2.
I didn’t really have a frame of reference the first time I watched this video as I didn’t own any Elektron gear at the time. Now?
I couldn’t agree with you more. The interface is SO easy to use, and that most common elements work the same among the different devices is another huge plus. I enjoy working with my Digitakt so much I’m getting ready to order a Syntakt to run alongside it and run audio out from the Digi in to the Syntakt and sync via MIDI.
Giving you lots of credit for your consistently good takes on hardware - I pay attention to your channel for exactly that reason.
BTW, I may have OP-1 envy. May. ;)
Have a great one and thanks for posting this.
The Octatrack is my mainstay pretty much because I sometimes do make my beats just on that. Lately I’ve been using my MPC Live 2 with the Octatrack exclusively which is unreal. The majority of my music is now made on my MPC but I use my Octatrack for routing, effects, delay control and live looping!
I owned the Digitakt for a year before I got the Digitone and bough them both used for around $600 each. It took me almost 6 months to master the Elektron workflow and it was not easy. They are still a major part of my setup, but that file management system has never gelled with me from day one. There needs to be a major overhaul aka firmware update to it. Years later I still feel the same way. Point is I wanna be able to swap samples out on the fly from thousands of samples. It’s just the way I like to work and this breeds inspiration for me like when I use my trusty TR-8S or Reason 10.
Polyphony remains difficult if you use a step sequencer, unless all the notes start at the same time.
On the MC-707 you can edit each note specifically using the screen, but it still feels like a work around.
This is true. I was listening to someone the other day boasting how he sequenced drums from the digitakt using the chord mode to cover more voices. That just sounds torturous to me.
"I'm a paying customer and when things upset me, I like to voice my opinion."
This.
Great to have more people chime in on this issue.
Capsule Corp jacket is so cool!
And they look pretty and appealing, which is kinda like handbags and shoes. You gotta have this one to match with that one.
I think the question for buyers and individuals is not if elektron should change its design philosophy but, what are their needs as a user and where to get them met?
Elektron makes specialized products. they are a great proposition if you are a user seeking a high level of programmed control over a specific taks. Making a do everything workstation hasn’t been Elektron’s agenda since the monomache.
For people seeking a more all in-one solution with more of a focus on immediate returns and freer interaction, Elektron’s focus might not be right but I wouldn’t say it’s and issue as it works for others.
Great comment! True, if I wanted an all singing, all dancing MPC I could just buy one!
Whatever works. I found modular to be the sampling/looping beat station for me to enjoy. I'm happy for anyone who vibes with an Electron device, though, they look incredibly powerful.
I liked the Model Samples.. but I sold it and got a proper drum synth. Much happier. 😂
I have only one (Syntakt). I really like how it sounds, but it needs other instruments to complete it. For me my Deluge is the ultimate stand alone groove box. It is not perfect so that’s why I have a lot of other gear as well, but if I had to sell everything I could manage with just the Deluge.
syntakt favorite
Well, I know I will be called Elektron fanboy for this comment, but I would like to point out a couple of things. I agree that their boxes have limits, and you can view it as "you need to have them all" as some people like are doing. But there is also this issue of having a very dedicated and focus tool. For me, the Elektron workflow is lovely. Yes, I have them all, but I never use more than 3 together, and that is also very rarely. I like to have one of them at a center of a jam and attach other gear to it. As a person with severe ADHD, those devices and their limits help me focus on things, and finally, I'm able to make more music. If I need a one tool workflow, I can use my Akai Force or Ableton Push, but for some reason I'm always gravitating to a setup with Elektron box. Generally, I, personally, prefer more focus tools than all in one box. Also, I think your gear comparison is a bit unfair. Firstly, you're comparing price of instruments from a huge corporation, which by default can make things cheaper which a lot smaller company with a lot shorter history which is also AFAIK producing things in Sweden. Regarding TR8s- I really like to play around with it, but for sound design it is a nightmare, as you have to menu dive for every parameter on a small screen with 1 parameter visible at any time. I think generally comparing two entirely different devices that happen to fill the same role - drum machine - is a bit misleading. Having said all of that, I will agree with the fact, that there is a temptation to get all of them, and they are pricey, but I will argue that this is just because every device is limited, and you have to buy other gear to fill other roles.
You are speaking to me specifically as someone who has purchased three digitakts, two digitones, and a model samples only to need another bass station, microfeak, etc. I've always wanted to feel content with just the digitakt but while it works amazingly as a sequencer it falls a little short when you are looking for solo inspiration.
I don't get it - Do you *really* want a one stop music box that you can press "play" and there your track goes? I If I wanted that- I use the DAW.
It's easy to say; why don't they add a "sampler" engine to the Syntakt - Just another "engine" right? Why not just add a "MIDI" button to the Digi, and free up the bottom row for synth engines? I'm not sure how easy this would be from an engineering perspective.
Personally I think that each box servers a "main" function, and I'm not looking for "one square box to rule them all". Lately, I have been hooking up my Eurorack to the Octatrack, My Moog Semis to the Syntakt, And the Digi boxes also play very well with external gear.
Appreciate the honesty. All these other gear heads on YT will shill anything for the sake of getting paid for sponsorships.
love the evolution of your videos. and your glasses are 🔥
I tried to get into Elektron at the beginning of covid and I really made a go of digging in, but it was not to be. TBH, Drambo has "checked all the boxes" as an all in one beat creation center for me. At present I'm using FAC DrumKit, Ruismaker Noir and Pittsburgh Modular for drums, Koala Sample for ... samples, Pittsburgh's Taiga or Beepstreet Zeeon for bass and any AUV3 I want for reverbs and delays. I do have friends that do amazing things with Elektron, but this is so portable, flexible and... modular!
Thanks as always for your thoughtful insights.
My entry into Elektron was the Digitone because I wanted to learn FM synthesis. But I quickly learned I'm not a fan of menu diving and the love has cooled down quite a lot. I did a lot of inspiring sound design on it, but... *** dust settles on the Decksaver cover ***
I love what it can do but I don't love the process and the frustration I've had with it becomes a barrier to wanting to dive in deep. "I'll do it later." So far, the rewards have not be enough for me to overcome that barrier. Maybe someday I'll turn everything else off, hide all the power cords, put the computer in a closet behind lock and key and then maybe, maybe I'll figure it all out. Or, I'll just turn it on and fire up Overbridge in the DAW.
It's fantastic gear! I love hearing and seeing what other people accomplish with it and, yes, if there were an all-in-one Elektron device with greater voice counts and a LOT less menu diving that would be sweet.
The elektron gear is not menu divy at all.
@@andrzejkucharzyk9970 It's great that you don't find it to be so, but for me, it is. Just a different style is all.
thank you for your candor.
Every synthesizer of every brand is a specialized machine. I don’t see the problem. Elektron machines are among the most complete machines in themselves and with almost any one of them you can create a whole track. Try to create a complete track with only a Moog matriarch of a prophet 6 without a daw or a multitrack recorder.
What you want is a daw in a box, or a mpc.
I've done whole albums on digitakt I think that's the only one that really slays on its own. I now pair it with the model cycles to free up space
I spent about eight years getting into elektron gear, one piece every one or two years, learning them inside and out before getting a new one. I wound up selling the digitone and digitakt, keeping the AR, A4, OT, and Syntakt.
My favorite is the Syntakt. I made three albums with just that device running through the OT as an FX processor. If it had an arp and polyphony, it would be my dream gear. As it stands, I currently play the Syntakt + A4 + OT for live gigs. The analog bass tones that I can get out of the Syntakt are incredible. Honestly it might be the best bass synth I've ever heard. And it's so easy to mix all the different analog and digital engines together for a full song. The sounds just sit with each other perfectly.
I have the same gear, except a Digitakt instead of OT. The AR is on the way because im annoyed i cant have my fave samples and i dont want to combine boxes in a confusing way. I felt the Rytm would take care of drums/samples while i play A4. Syntakt would be a standalone device for quick jams. But do you think Ill need a Digitakt if Im getting an AR?
@@neonpop80 Personally, I think the AR is more than good enough for drums and even sampling. It doesn't have all the sampling options as the digitakt, but I think it's good enough. I really don't miss my digitakt, even after the new update came out. My AR gets the job done! Especially with all those individual outputs. I've actually played entire gigs and recorded whole songs with only the AR and nothing else. It's a great machine. Just take your time and get really deep into. Focus on just that one piece of gear and learn it like the back of your hand. You'll love it.
@@MythMakerMusik Thanks friend. I appreciate the feedback. Im excited for the AR! Already feeling attached to the Digitakt as it was my first Elektron. Maybe once I see the AR in action I can bid the Digitakt goodbye :) Thank you again for sharing your thoughts
I use a Machinedrum UW, an Analog Four, and a TD-3 MO, along with a couple of external effects and a MIDI controller. I've had other equipment, but I've either gotten rid of them or no longer use them because I've realized that keeping things simple and having certain limitations actually sparks creativity. I'm tempted to buy an Octatrack, but for my way of working, it would complicate things too much, and I prefer to go straight to the computer to produce and perform those types of operations.
Nonetheless, I believe that Elektron's range of machines is there for each person to create their ideal setup, and I think having too many devices can be dedundant and overwhelming to manage...
That segmentation strategy is indeed particularly aggressive since the analog devices. Adding a midi sequencer to the A4 would have been no cost for them. In comparison MDUW is their most generous machine, 16 voices, quite capable for non rythmic sounds, midi sequencing, sampling, external inputs and many outputs. That was a different time when they didn’t have many other gears to sell.
it's also digital. A digital device will offer more features for less...pretty much always.
Facts
Was thinking the same thing.. would be awesome if they made one device with 16 tracks. Just one groovebox thank you. The SH-4D is definitely interesting device. You´ve got 4 synth tracks + rythm section with 26 tracks/instruments = 30 tracks! Pretty cool
PREACH!
Totally agreed. Thanks for the expression.
We need something like an Op-1, but with Elektron sequencer and Roland digital synth engine, at a reasonable price point.
Try MC-101... not exactly what you want but the sequencer is not bad and the Roland sounds are there. It is small and works on batteries. Great little groovebox.
My personal solution is; Digitone connected to my phone via USB running koala sampler. Koala kicks the digitakts arse honestly, and kinda the 404 too.
Never heard of koala, what makes it so great?
I feel like for the price the RYTM should do it all. YES to them hiring you! Absolutely nailing the shortcomings here.
1800 is a ridiculous price for any drum machine. for that much, it better sound like an alpha base and be fully polyphonic
Im looking at getting a digitakt or syntakt to pair with my mpc live? Any suggestions?
Syntakt and MPC for the win
Maybe the reason electrons workflow is so good and the hardware is so reliable is because they have not tried to over reach with each device…
I don’t think it’s a trap though because they sequence themselves and other gear simultaneously. So for instance. Buy any Elektron sampler and then pair it with another synth from any manufacturer and you got your “groovebox”
I run my Octatrack with my Access Virus and have limitless possibilities.
Elektron really does need to make a fully featured flagship product
monomachine was one of the most powerful they did, syntakt is close
one of the biggest issues with modern elektron is the lack of effects, having even one per track optional effect would go a long way
rather than sends for chorus, delay, reverb. Syntakt gets really close with a bunch of machine options and 12 total voices
but its still a small scale unit and has many limitations, some sort of "full power" elektron unit would be killer
maybe something with some syntakt machines, digitone, engine, one or two other digital synth engines
8-12 voices, fx per track, I don't care if it costs more, just want one power machine
I’d definitely pay Elektron prices for a SH4D feature set in an Elektron form… yet I’m still debating whether I really want the SH4D itself
just pulled the trigger despite having digitakt but its not a this or that in my oppinion.
The cool thing about Elektron is they make me love my mpc One a lot!
Honestly I love the way they split everything in different devices, it’s so good when it comes to production. When I need polyphony for example I rather go to my prophet 6, when I need to make interesting drums I mess up with my analog rythm and the modular, when I need to sample I use the octatrack. And I record everything into ableton, so I don’t need to make everything at once.
Ofcs they do it for the money but without the money the wouldn’t be the research for new products as deep as they do. They cost more than Roland but they give you more features wise cause the market is bigger.
all your requirements you noticed lead to MPC 1 or Machine +, or Ableton push... a lot of seperate tracks it's not about the Elektron at all. Sence of the musical instruments of this company is in its limitations too. And workflow that complete other than DAW workflow... it inspires the creation of pure self-contained musical lines. four voices of A4 (for example) - this is more than enough for a full-fledged saturated track that will not require mixing later at all. because your mix will automatically be as thoughtful as possible, transparent and self-sufficient. also it is usually not necessary more than 4 voices to sound at the same time if we are talking about a clear punchy sound... but if your mindset is classical? DAW like, layer-based - so you chose DAW like growebox - easy) but who am I telling all this)
Thank you sooooo much that is the exact problem I have, you have to buy 2-3 boxes to really be able to COMFORTABLY make music with it. I recently got into the Elektron world first with the heat and then digitone+Digitakt and I love making music on them but I always get angry about the purposefully implemented limitations like the mono sampling on the DT even tho it got stereo inputs. For the same price as only the DT new I got a MPC live 2 with which I can make MOST of the stuff I can do with all Elektron gear together and more but there I lack the creative things as actually useful lfos or random triggers or the track all parameter manipulation.
Working with Elektron devices is so frustrating because you know the machines could be able to be so much more but they aren’t because of greed and that really fucks me up in a way I already thought about selling all their stuff just to not support some BS like that. 🤦🏻♂️
Right on!
I just got ARmk2 as the upgrade from a Model Cycles, and I recently made a similar video griping about the file structure. I have lost work on the AR and it’s annoying. I intend to keep the model cycles to use more for voices, and out source the drums to AR.
Honestly, I bought the crummy akai Tomcat years back for under $100 with shipping. No bells or whistles, does what it says on the tin and I couldn’t be happier. Never vibed with the rythm.
I got a lot more out of my Roland MC707, TR8s and Akai Live then I ever got out of my Elektron setup. My Elektron gear had neat sounds, but nothing I couldn't get out of the gear and samplers I already have.
Agreed 💯
I like the way elektron does it. I don't need an everything device when I have an array of devices, then I just end up with a bunch of overlap. I have an octatrack and a rytm, got em for 900 and 1100 respectively, and for 2000 in I feel I'm getting an incredible value. I've owned a tr-8 and it's fun as fuck, but it's so limited. It's a fking blast to jam on and I agree with everything you said about the tr-8, but yeah, elektron having devices focused for specific tasks is really wise imo. Could never buy a new MKII but then again I don't buy a new anything XD
I have Machinedrum and that was definetly developed with another vision in mind.
Yes, it lacks a lot features, but its still 16 voices of whatever you want.
But as you said, TR8/TR8S is much more faster in terms of workflow and you pay just for that.
Machinedrum
Damm,,, you know how to tell it like it is..i can appreciate that...Keepin it real. Enjoyed your Vid.....
I dig you.
For me I see the various Elektron machines more as different flavours. The way I approach the creation process changes with my mood basically. So it's nice to have options. I never sit down and try to get all the Elektron gear to work together. I've also had all of the units except the SID. All didn't stay long but I always want to get my hands on and feel the instrument and not decide based on what a tube video suggests.
Started out on the digitone and really took my time to learn the elektron magic, because yes, there is a magic vibe to the workflow when the coin drops. Even released an all Digitone single (A crockett state of mind). Then I jumped in and got the AR MKII and A4 MKII for a change of flavour. During the pandemic I started going dawless and into eurorack modular and naturally I found that the Octa MKII was a perfect match for that haha. But for me it's a mood thing. Sometimes you just wake up and want that BANG of FM-love that the Digitone delivers and other days I feel like mangling samples in the digitakt or octa. All tracks no matter where they are made end up going the the Analog heat MKII just to sprinkle some oumpf and sparkles on it.
Do I want one box to rule them all? Yes it would be awesome but it would probably be annoyingly deep.
I made a serious effort with the MC-101 and MC-707 as well but they are frustratingly slow to create on. Very confusing intefaces. So what ever Elektron did they unlocked a logic that just sits right. At least with me. That said, you are not wrong in the video.
Straight factssssssss
Nice Break down 🤌🏾
I dont feel like its lacking, i feel like: its possible. There is where the creativitiy comes and where my drums on an a4 sounds different to roland standard drum kit. Some people make music with science and radio equip, so i think the „lack“ you describe is more of a „i am now a grown up musician, i dont need creativ workarounds, i know my style“, every classical trained artist would agree, but i think electronic music lives from the experiment with the machine and dies in full grown perfect instrument.
I feel the connections to the sounds starts, when i have to put work in it. So for me, its good to be forced to work hard for rich harmonics, and not just pump up polyphonie. Its like buch with contrapoint vs. Rachmaninov with chords all over the place, sure i love rachmaninov too but i feel like rachmaninov is more easy to fake than bach. Haha
I agree, they should just build the 'Elektron Deluge' even if it's 3k it will sell. I mean how hard is it 16 voices, sampling + synth engines, 4 drum tracks, 4 synths tracks, polyphony and sequencing, the Syntakt is closer but still makes many compromises, get it done Elektron.
You should design it and send them your ideas
@@thegreatsiberianitch for a company like Elektron making these types of devices, it isn't hard the question is will it cannibalize their other devices to much, personally I just think they should have a very high price for a 'do it all device' that way people can pick bespoke solutions if they want to spend less money.
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agreed the SH-4d makes me think why is there not more of this type of gear and workflow
I agree 100%.
What was the device you held up in comparison?
I totally agree with you on the TR8, it is so inmmediate that I will always keep it…I have a Tempest too, it sounds great but you need to dive into it…and I have an A4 mki and that makes the best kick drum of them all…
I had an Elektron Keys, which i miss but eventually had to let go. The Elektron way of doing things is of course pretty idiosyncratic, but I do quite like it. I think Elektron's problem right now is that they're no longer ahead of the pack. The Elektron sequencer was so unique when it came out, and for years there was nothing else like it on the market, but nowadays it's pretty common for a synth from another brand to have parameter locks, probability, etc. So that takes some momentum away from them. I think the Elektron workflow is something they've perfected and now they should focus on making instruments that sound great, and at least one groovebox that doesn't feel intentionally diluted in some way.
Btw… u ever own a mc 707… sounds like perfect kit for you. Has the same sounds as your new Roland kit, but with ability to have lots of performance variation. I own one, doesn’t get used all the time, but I do like it. Has probability and can nudge off the grid. Stream 8 tracks to pc too is great way to start a song. I often sample from it or send midi from daw to it and use the sounds too.
appreciate the honnesty
Indeed, MO Elektrons Mo Problems I also don't like to have Midi cables, Tele cables, adapters going in everywhere.. I use max 2 Elektron's at the time.
My favorite is the MD MK2+ It is a beast! MnM as well. I think you are a Digitakt fan 💜
I quite like a quirky workflow it forces you to be more creative sometimes. I used to use the Roland R70 and that was a pain. I now miss it when working on some of their current machines.
i've had basically all the elektron stuff too. the monomachine+ is the only one left and not going anywhere. very versatile synth and capable midi sequencer. a version with polyphonic tracks would be the final boss
Wish they’d do a legacy version of the monomachine. I got to play around with a friends’ before they moved across the country, what a killer machine.
@@jasonbeatty831 Or a Stereomachine even? Though stereo has only been around since the 1930's, so it might be a bit too new for them.
Thats one reason why im now selling my Rytm MKII after almost never using it for a year. The digitone i'll keep for now, but we will see...
There is some truth in this video: when you start to buy one, you want more: because the workflow, hardware quality and quick results are amazing - sure the Rytm is "only" a drum machine - it doesn't want to be more, actually it's "just" the best drum machine ever made. and what about Overbridge, decennial product support?
They didn`t handicap their machines, they crammed as much in as they could for the price point. They could make one big all singing all dancing machine and it would cost the combined price of them all to get your hands on.
elektron trap is chill if you go down not up - model:cycles and samples are dream dawless - knob per function! - afterall we do dawless for the constraints
the capsule corp jacket is amazing
Analog rytm mkii for me. I get what you're saying, although there are workarounds for most of your gripes. You can do almost everything with the rytm combined with the four. I'm at the stage now where all my hardware is analog, as the vsts available these days are as good as it gets (debatable!)
I record into Ableton (Shhh!) because I need to edit there, overbridge is the real game changer in this department
I always wonder what I'd do with all those sequencing options if I bought more Elektron boxes. The extras seem redundant so I look to other synths that are standalone.
Tack!
Plenty of other companies make all-on-one machines. You can just use Live and a controller if that’s what you’re after. Elektron’s higher expense tier goes into having machines built like tanks AND not to mention their support… cool features being added often. Well, not so much the Octatrack 😮 I just love the Elektron workflow and yeah the textures I can make on that gear is very different than some of my other gear. It also plays great with everything else I own.