@@Neelfy01 I set motion reprojection to automatic in virtual desktop, which I suspect is just using Steam VRs implementation. I must say though, so long as you can hit 45fps, it felt fantastic with minimal artefacts when compared to WMR.
@@VRFlightSimGuy I've noticed the same thing comparing SteamVR ASW in the Pico 4 to MR in the G2. There are far fewer artifacts in the Pico; the view through the prop is way better and there are almost no artifacts around the cockpit window frames, wind trailing edges or rigging wires of the Tiger Moth. I honestly don't know how they do it.
I would rather buy a high end PC and a budget VR headset. A RTX4090 is going to last for a couple years playing VR on high settings, a headset wont. The headset technology is moving fast, also VR headsets can be quite fragile. I would rather pay £380 for a pico4 and sell it for like £180 next year and then buy the next gen budget headset. If I get 18 months of use out of it for £200 then that is excellent value. Using it for 10 hours per week that's 780 hours entertainment for £200
I've been using a Pico 4 for a while now, and I'm still genuinely stunned at the visual quality. Certainly could never go back to anything with fresnel lenses, the sweet spot is so enormous that I never even think about it. Does take a good bit of fiddling around to find the right settings though. The inside out tracking is some of the best I've used as well, seems to hold tracking even in light conditions that others have just given up entirely. Did have to replace the facial interface with an ALVR one and add some padding to the top strap though to make it super comfy, out of the box it just didn't fit me quite right.
I would love to have a Varjo Aero just because of the direct DisplayPort connection, but the high cost ($2k+VAT) makes that impossible. I own a Pico4 viewer that I bought exclusively to fly with MSFS2020 (+ RTX 4090), frankly I am satisfied with the quality/price ratio. Pico4 would be in the "Olympus of the VR Gods" if it had added a DisplayPort connection, even at a slight extra cost.
I've heard various things about wireless vs wired and it strikes me that if you have a decent (and physically close!) wifi AP, and use the third-party Virtual Desktop software rather than the native software, that things are good without a cable. How much worse is it, and in what way? Is it like MPEG2 compression on DVDs where dark cloudy scenes go all blocky, or is it like TH-cam compression where lots of trees and leaves turn into a blurry mess? or both? Do you have to look for it or is it obvious? And for objective purposes how much does it change based on your Wifi connection quality?
Please dona video on all the pc software runtimes game settings etc as well as any settings in the headset software for getting the Pico 4 to work at it's best with a 4090. Are you in wireless? Wifi5 or 6 are you in virtual desktop god mode? Are you running steam VR? Is it at 100% etc etc etc... Many thanks
I have to say, as someone who has a 4090 + 13900, as well as a Pico 4, I would love to see a full settings video, but I understand that it may not be a broad enough subject for your viewership. Fingers crossed though! I'm absolutely loving my Pico 4 btw!
I bought a Pico 4 recently and I’m very happy with it, even coming from a G2. Switched because of bigger IPD. Initially I had a lot of stutter, but then added a dedicated Wi-Fi router just for the P4 and now it’s perfect. No more stutter, crisp graphics, no artefacts, but you do need a 4090!
@@enterthebiscuit My bad, I should have written “something in the league of a 4090”. I’m not familiar with AMD graphic cards. Nevertheless, if you want to enjoy the P4, that and a dedicated router is what you’re looking at.
I'm a bit confused, doesn't the Pico 4 include a USB c port for PCVR? That's what it say in the PCworld listing. They're currently on sale for £259 in the Black Friday sale and I'm thinking of getting one for SIM racing, the Varjo is around £1200 plus base stations so it's a lot cheaper. (I've got a 3080Ti) Is that right? Thank you
Have you tried a USB-C cable with the Pico 4? My Quest Pro looks great for films with Virtual Desktop but even on God mode I don't find it good enough for games, there's too much noise in the image, I can see the compression. But with the link cable and a 500 mb/s encode bitrate it cleans up so well I don't notice any compression at all. You also don't have to worry about battery life either with a cable. It's great to see there are still affordable headsets out there capable of giving excellent quality experiences, I suspect the Quest 3 will be massively popular at the end of the year.
Hey Kevin, I didn't notice much (if any) difference personally. Perhaps that's because I already have a good bit rate? I'm not sure. I'll keep experimenting though.
@@tonyk3912 the limitation isnt the cable, the USB-C port can output over 10 GB/s and the cable itself can feed 2.5 GB/s to the headset, it's the XR2 gen 1 chip on the headset that can't process more than 500 Mb/s. Running higher makes no difference as the chip can't decode any faster, it will max out between 400-500 mbs
Have you tried pico 4 with a usbc network adaptor cabled into the switch with virtual desktop, latency is greatly reduced and very smooth. I got the belkin adaptor as it has power pass through as well to charge while playing.
Being from Chicago, and having lived downtown, the accuracy of the city in MSFS is stunning. In fact, the only inaccuracy I have been able to find are the cargo ships that come close to the shore downtown. This doesn't happen. There is no reason for a ship to be that close to shore, as all the ports are miles south of downtown, SE in Indiana, or further north, in Wisconsin.
I have 4090 and changed from Index to Pico 4. I thought about Aero, but hey 430 Euro, what can you do wrong, right? And I am so happy about the visual quality of Pico 4 with VR Desktop. What a huge step forward from Index. Large sweet spot and practically no screen door effect. I don't think I can still take the large pile of money for the additional upgrade to Aero. But good to know there is still one step up in visuals, would like to try it once for comparison.
They didn't drop the ball. They are heavily subsidising the cost of the headset with money they only get back if people spend money on their mobile store. They don't want people using it for PCVR. Most people don't realise just how unprofitable PCVR is. Even with my £1500 Quest Pro, Meta act as if PCVR doesn't exist. No display port and my 13900k, 4090 system gets warnings on not meeting the minimum spec for VR as they haven't even updated their auto spec detection tool to account for the release of 4000 series cards yet. HTC haven't put a display port on their headset either. None of the major companies are as it actually subtracts from their income. Think Beyonce doing a year long pub tour. Even if every show was sold out she'd lose millions compared to the arenas she could be performing in. Major companies want to earn hundreds of millions and ultimately billions, PCVR isn't that market so they won't target it if it conflicts with their mobile platform goals.
@@GmoLargey not used one but wasnt that an old style Fresnel headset with no eye tracking and passthrough? If so that would cost them far less to produce. It's rumoured that Pico lose $150 on every Pico 4 sold. They want to sell them to mobile users who will use their store only. I really want a DisplayPort btw. I understand it on the Pico, it's sub £500 and most consumers won't need it. My Quest Pro was £1500 and I expect nearly everyone who purchased one has a high end PC as well. We should have got DisplayPort but they still didn't care. I don't think we'll ever get one on any headset. We'll need to rely on USB 4 and future WiFi enhancements to get us to the level of DisplayPort ultimately.
@@kevinbrook7033 I'll be buying the G2 instead of the Pico 4, due to the video compression of the Pico coming from the PC. So the company still doesn't get my business..
Unless you lean forward to the instruments, you cannot read the gauges or text on the FMC in the cockpit (MSFS). It is blurry and destroys the immersion. That’s with latest and best 13900k/4090/VD/Wifi6. I don’t know why you show landscape pictures to compare the two headsets. Anyway I have just ordered the Aero at the reduced price. If the instruments still look blurry from my sitting position, it goes back…
I get aver two hours if I plug a USB-C cable in to my PC probably six hours. If you plug an external battery with 22W it will actually recharge to 100%
Well I have to ask mate, how have you got your Pico setup for PC VR ? coming from the Q2 I am not that impressed so far in DCS, bitrate seems massively too low ? Currently connected in Streaming Assistant, Steam VR oversampled to 3200x3200, on a 13900k and 4090 just like you, doesn't wave a candle to the clarity of my Q2 ? (when it works), wireless wasn't an option via VD due to connecting then disconnecting randomly.......and I cant imagine wireless performance can be better than the cable experience? can it ??
Have you tried hand tracking with tbe Pico? At the moment I don't know if it's used for anything, but it would add a huge amount of immersion in flight sim
Do you need icons to see distant aircraft with the Pico4...Aero, and I would like to know how the answer to this question with the Crystal when you get a chance to review it.
@@VRFlightSimGuy Thanks, thought as much, if only there was a way to try-before-you-buy on the Aero, i would order one, I miss the VR experience since returning my G2 for the lack of clarity
@@gizmo104drives7 And yet the G2's sweet spot is so small that you can't read a glass cockpit unless you tilt your head down. Not good enough. Need to be able to look out of an airplane and without moving your head read the instruments.
@@gizmo104drives7 best "budget" headset maybe, i just found it impossible to read the buttons and displays without leaning in a lot, I tried it for some weeks, fiddled with every option out here but it just wouldn't do it. The best option was straight TAA but then the cockpit and rest of display looked pants but the displays were readable.
Hi. I've bought the Pico 4 and Virtual Desktop and I am trying to run MSFS but I just cannot seem to get it working in VR. I've got MSFS running in Virtual Desktop but on a screen inside VR. I cannot get it to run in VR (if you know what I mean). Any chance of you doing a Step-by-step setup of the Pico 4 to run MSFS? That would help me enormously and I'm sure some others too. Thanks.
I havent got MSFS only Xplane. I have to run Steam and from that run SteamVR then start Xplane making sure VR is enabled in the Xplane settings. I think you can enable VR in MSFS from the keyboard. The default keyboard binding to enter VR mode is CTRL+TAB
@@tonyk3912 Many thanks for that. I've tried loads of different ways to get it but still cannot get it to work. I've got the Quest 2 and have managed to get that to work in VR connected to my PC, but alas cannot get PC streaming to the Pico 4 using Steam, SteamVR, Virtual Desktop and MSFS. A detailed Step-By-Step would be great and I would at least know if I was doing everything correctly. So how about it @VRFlightSimGuy . That would be great thanks.
Did you ever find a good step by step setup guide for your Pico 4 and MSFS? My Pico arrives tomorrow and I have no idea how to set up and run MSFS in VR.
Just like anything, tech is phased in slowly to maximise profit as we buy the next gen product every year. A lot of us will buy the pico 4 because it has great new tech applicable to this year and next year if they release a pico 5 with DP we will buy that on the day it's released because we know it builds on the great pico 4. It's just a shame we have to wait for true PCVR to become 'affordable' . On the other hand we might never get a pico 5 DP and have to fork out 2-3k for the next gen aero chasing Clarity and FPS. I also feel like even the 4090 and 13900 aren't yet powerful enough to make use of the current headsets in terms of FPS on high graphics settings. We're not quite there yet but we're close. What a time to be alive as this new era of tech comes through 🥳
Great content as usual! I've been getting 45 FPS avg in cities with my Pico4 on a 12700K, 3080 upscaled 150% in SteamVR, using DLS Balanced and my LODs turned way down to keep CPU use in the
Strike my question. I've watched a few more of your videos and the muscle the 4090 can pump out to use God mode in VD is going to be worth it. I've ordered mine! Thanks again for the videos.
Hi, Congrats on your purchase and how is your experience after some time. How do you compare, in your experience the gpu upgrade to the previous card? You should consider OpenXR Toolkit....this will really help.
Some feedback on IPD. Mine is 75mm and a G2 is almost useless to me, as it won’t go beyond 68mm. Hesitated picking up the P4 with max 72mm, but it works just fine. I’d say that 90% of the image is sharp and there is just a little blur on the edge, which doesn’t bother me at all.
@@VRFlightSimGuy you really cannot. If something happens to your connection, something happens to their connection or if something happens to interfere with your connection to Varjo you will not be able to do anything at all with your hmd but sulk. I can't VR if there's an internet outage :(
So a 3080 wouldnt cut it with the pico 4 then. The prices of the varjo in new zealand is a out 4.5k and the rtx 4090 is similar cost but the pico 4 is only around $ 700.00
I have a 4080 and pico 4. Runs well, but I limit sim racing titles to 72 fps rather than 90. I find this means I can run in god mode, everything ultra in game and have a rock solid framerate. However I mostly play simracing titles so not a direct comparison.
Until you get the Crystal and you'll be asked that or Aero! Lol. If it's as good as reported it will be better visually than Aero. Pico4 will be probably then be obsolete for simmers with $$$ to spend. More than Pico but less than Aero, but more features than both
The fact that this is apparently close to Varjo Aero steers me away from that (latter). I'd like to try it, but reverb and pico have not been near enough for me. Guess the comfort level depends on size and shape of your head :p
In terms of visuals, it's really not close to the Aero. I hoped I made that clear (pardon the pun) in the video. However, it does stand up well considering its price.
@@VRFlightSimGuy but it seems even then, its not far off. Based on both this, your other videos as well as other people. It'd really have to be much better for me to justify that price. Based on specs (i know it has foveated rendering, still says 35ppd sharpest officially, some say its actually 45-48), I really doubt its even 2x sharper than say a quest2 or pico4. That's worse than 1080p on a 32" monitor..
@@VRFlightSimGuy I tried the reverb G2 and thought it was WAYY over hyped (though it is my first VR headset, so maybe I'm ignorant of how far we've come). Yes, the sweet spot is pretty good, but the FOV is tiny, the sweet spot is tiny, and anything outside of that is a smeary mess. Is the pico 4 significantly better?
Funny how you never mention the horrendous "red shift" in the Aero. As an owner of said headset I caution anyone considering purchasing one to first do their research. Perhaps have a look on the Varjo discord and see what others are saying about it before blindly following this "influencer" opinion.
Yes it make the glass cockpit MFD really weird, like the screen is a 3D image instead of being flat. And Aero acknowledge the problem and say they are trying to fix it. Can't believe this isn't commented on by any TH-camr reviewer What gives!?!
@@jchristi99 at least one other TH-camr has highlighted this issue. Check out the nerdaxic review here: th-cam.com/video/pe8bjcJvd68/w-d-xo.html He paid for the headset out of his own pocket so maybe that has something to do with him being a little more candid in his review?
You still didn't say how much performance overhead the Pico 4 uses (for compression) in comparison to the Aero or Reverb G2. I keep watching these videos in the hope that you'll give some technical details, but keep getting disappointed. :(
I bought Pico 4 and i'm very disapointed. I'm using Quest 2 from one month for PCVR with USB3 cable. I spent a lot of time to find out the best configuration (FPS and Quality). And now a lot of YT and internet hype for Pico 4 with Virtual Desktop (aka game changer and so on..) It's a bullshit for me. I've bought Pico 4 few days ago for better FOV, resolution and overall "image quality". Tested everything (WiFi6, USB-C etehernet card, USB3 cable, Streaming Assistant and Virtual Desktop (Godlike on my RTX 4090). Sorry, there is no way to have even close what i have on Quest 2 with OpenXR Toolkit and Open Composite with USB3 cable (I mean FPS and overall image quality not FOV of course). Now I will return my Pico 4, stay with Quest 2 and in the time where I wait for Quest 3 I will try HP Reverb G2 V2 because have also better spec then Q2 but can work same straight way like Q2 (OXRT, OC) without this sh**ty heavy SteamVR which Pico 4 use. Try your configuratiion with Virtual Desktop instead Streaming Assistant and You will see much better quality and performance, yes it's true. But again, for me even VD it's not to close what i've got from OXRT and OC. I wanted to have the same quality and performance on Pico 4, and even better due to the spec, but it's not possible until Pico 4 will not fully natively supports/uses Open XR.
As much as I wanted to like this video I can't - you spend the time re-iterating THAT the Pico 4 stands up well against the Varjo Aero, but say nothing about WHY. Sure you throw out the phrase "visual fidelity" early on and make some implicit reference to the lack of a DP connection, but then you don't explain it or give any kind of metric. Is it 90% as good? Is it 25% as good? Good in what way? Clarity? Distortion? Weight? Sound? Does it feel hot on your head after a while? Please explain what you mean, as it was a frustrating watch this time :-/ (context: I've never owned any VR headset so this is all research for me as I look to upgrade my GPU too.) Also why do you say you need a 4090? What about the AMD 7900 XT or XTX ? etc etc
Sorry if this wasn't up to your standards, I'm just doing these videos for fun, as I'm a busy guy with a full time job. I'm not expert. Best of luck in your search :)
@@VRFlightSimGuy I understand completely and that's cool. I've seen a bunch of your other videos and like your tone and pace. I hope I didn't come across OTT but perhaps I did. Do keep up the excellent work 😀
Is a high end VR headset worth the price over a more budget option? Let me know your thoughts in the comments below 👇👇
What did you use for motion reprojection Steve? Was it ASW in VD?
@@Neelfy01 I set motion reprojection to automatic in virtual desktop, which I suspect is just using Steam VRs implementation. I must say though, so long as you can hit 45fps, it felt fantastic with minimal artefacts when compared to WMR.
@@VRFlightSimGuy Cool cheers mate 👍
@@VRFlightSimGuy I've noticed the same thing comparing SteamVR ASW in the Pico 4 to MR in the G2. There are far fewer artifacts in the Pico; the view through the prop is way better and there are almost no artifacts around the cockpit window frames, wind trailing edges or rigging wires of the Tiger Moth. I honestly don't know how they do it.
I would rather buy a high end PC and a budget VR headset. A RTX4090 is going to last for a couple years playing VR on high settings, a headset wont. The headset technology is moving fast, also VR headsets can be quite fragile. I would rather pay £380 for a pico4 and sell it for like £180 next year and then buy the next gen budget headset. If I get 18 months of use out of it for £200 then that is excellent value. Using it for 10 hours per week that's 780 hours entertainment for £200
Just the fact that the PICO 4 has working motion reprojection already makes it a more practical VR headset than the aero
To be fair I was really shocked how well it works in the Pico 4 with VD
I've been using a Pico 4 for a while now, and I'm still genuinely stunned at the visual quality. Certainly could never go back to anything with fresnel lenses, the sweet spot is so enormous that I never even think about it. Does take a good bit of fiddling around to find the right settings though. The inside out tracking is some of the best I've used as well, seems to hold tracking even in light conditions that others have just given up entirely. Did have to replace the facial interface with an ALVR one and add some padding to the top strap though to make it super comfy, out of the box it just didn't fit me quite right.
I would love to have a Varjo Aero just because of the direct DisplayPort connection, but the high cost ($2k+VAT) makes that impossible. I own a Pico4 viewer that I bought exclusively to fly with MSFS2020 (+ RTX 4090), frankly I am satisfied with the quality/price ratio. Pico4 would be in the "Olympus of the VR Gods" if it had added a DisplayPort connection, even at a slight extra cost.
I've heard various things about wireless vs wired and it strikes me that if you have a decent (and physically close!) wifi AP, and use the third-party Virtual Desktop software rather than the native software, that things are good without a cable. How much worse is it, and in what way? Is it like MPEG2 compression on DVDs where dark cloudy scenes go all blocky, or is it like TH-cam compression where lots of trees and leaves turn into a blurry mess? or both? Do you have to look for it or is it obvious? And for objective purposes how much does it change based on your Wifi connection quality?
Please dona video on all the pc software runtimes game settings etc as well as any settings in the headset software for getting the Pico 4 to work at it's best with a 4090. Are you in wireless? Wifi5 or 6 are you in virtual desktop god mode? Are you running steam VR? Is it at 100% etc etc etc... Many thanks
Thanks for the suggestions
@@VRFlightSimGuy thanks, there are just so many settings for VR configuration, I think people will find it extremely helpful 👍
I have to say, as someone who has a 4090 + 13900, as well as a Pico 4, I would love to see a full settings video, but I understand that it may not be a broad enough subject for your viewership. Fingers crossed though! I'm absolutely loving my Pico 4 btw!
Then I'll just need to find settings for ACC 🙂
Can you do a video on how you set up the Pico 4
Have you tested Pico 4 with non original face masks? With thinner mask FOV is significantly incresed.
Not yet, but I'll have some exciting new accessories to show soon!
I bought a Pico 4 recently and I’m very happy with it, even coming from a G2. Switched because of bigger IPD. Initially I had a lot of stutter, but then added a dedicated Wi-Fi router just for the P4 and now it’s perfect. No more stutter, crisp graphics, no artefacts, but you do need a 4090!
Why a 4090 ? ignoring RT, what's the driver here? Is it simply resolution x FPS or is it about VRAM? If so why not an AMD 6/7000 series ?
@@enterthebiscuit My bad, I should have written “something in the league of a 4090”. I’m not familiar with AMD graphic cards. Nevertheless, if you want to enjoy the P4, that and a dedicated router is what you’re looking at.
@@axelmaubach ah gotcha, thanks for the clarification! :)
I'm a bit confused, doesn't the Pico 4 include a USB c port for PCVR? That's what it say in the PCworld listing. They're currently on sale for £259 in the Black Friday sale and I'm thinking of getting one for SIM racing, the Varjo is around £1200 plus base stations so it's a lot cheaper. (I've got a 3080Ti)
Is that right?
Thank you
Have you tried a USB-C cable with the Pico 4? My Quest Pro looks great for films with Virtual Desktop but even on God mode I don't find it good enough for games, there's too much noise in the image, I can see the compression. But with the link cable and a 500 mb/s encode bitrate it cleans up so well I don't notice any compression at all. You also don't have to worry about battery life either with a cable.
It's great to see there are still affordable headsets out there capable of giving excellent quality experiences, I suspect the Quest 3 will be massively popular at the end of the year.
Hey Kevin, I didn't notice much (if any) difference personally. Perhaps that's because I already have a good bit rate? I'm not sure. I'll keep experimenting though.
500Mbs is slow on wifi 5 I get 866Mbs on USB-C 1000Mbs or if you attach a ethernet to USB-C cable that will be 1000Mbs ie gigabit
@@tonyk3912 the limitation isnt the cable, the USB-C port can output over 10 GB/s and the cable itself can feed 2.5 GB/s to the headset, it's the XR2 gen 1 chip on the headset that can't process more than 500 Mb/s.
Running higher makes no difference as the chip can't decode any faster, it will max out between 400-500 mbs
@@kevinbrook7033 The pico4 has an XR2 chip
@@tonyk3912 the same XR2 gen 1 chip that the Quest 2 has. It's ancient now. XR2 Gen 2 comes out later this year which will allow higher mb/s encoding.
Have you tried pico 4 with a usbc network adaptor cabled into the switch with virtual desktop, latency is greatly reduced and very smooth. I got the belkin adaptor as it has power pass through as well to charge while playing.
pls can you send me a link and tutorial if that ok? Im not sure how you mean but it sounds great
Can the PIC0 4 work with 3090? Thinking about buying if for DCS but with the 3090
Better go with PICO Neo 3 link with DP. That will make much better use of 3090. No wasting resources on compression and decoding through Wifi or USB
Being from Chicago, and having lived downtown, the accuracy of the city in MSFS is stunning. In fact, the only inaccuracy I have been able to find are the cargo ships that come close to the shore downtown. This doesn't happen. There is no reason for a ship to be that close to shore, as all the ports are miles south of downtown, SE in Indiana, or further north, in Wisconsin.
But does the pico 4 beat the quest pro?
I have quest pro and 4090, so for extra resolution, is it worth buying a pico 4 if you have the pro?
I have 4090 and changed from Index to Pico 4. I thought about Aero, but hey 430 Euro, what can you do wrong, right? And I am so happy about the visual quality of Pico 4 with VR Desktop. What a huge step forward from Index. Large sweet spot and practically no screen door effect. I don't think I can still take the large pile of money for the additional upgrade to Aero. But good to know there is still one step up in visuals, would like to try it once for comparison.
Bytedance really dropped the ball not including a display port on the Pico 4. It would have the VR crown right now...
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They didn't drop the ball. They are heavily subsidising the cost of the headset with money they only get back if people spend money on their mobile store. They don't want people using it for PCVR.
Most people don't realise just how unprofitable PCVR is. Even with my £1500 Quest Pro, Meta act as if PCVR doesn't exist. No display port and my 13900k, 4090 system gets warnings on not meeting the minimum spec for VR as they haven't even updated their auto spec detection tool to account for the release of 4000 series cards yet.
HTC haven't put a display port on their headset either. None of the major companies are as it actually subtracts from their income. Think Beyonce doing a year long pub tour. Even if every show was sold out she'd lose millions compared to the arenas she could be performing in.
Major companies want to earn hundreds of millions and ultimately billions, PCVR isn't that market so they won't target it if it conflicts with their mobile platform goals.
Sort of, but neo 3 link came out less than 6 months before and still sold along side Pico 4, just everyone seems to be sleeping on it.
@@GmoLargey not used one but wasnt that an old style Fresnel headset with no eye tracking and passthrough? If so that would cost them far less to produce. It's rumoured that Pico lose $150 on every Pico 4 sold. They want to sell them to mobile users who will use their store only.
I really want a DisplayPort btw. I understand it on the Pico, it's sub £500 and most consumers won't need it. My Quest Pro was £1500 and I expect nearly everyone who purchased one has a high end PC as well. We should have got DisplayPort but they still didn't care.
I don't think we'll ever get one on any headset. We'll need to rely on USB 4 and future WiFi enhancements to get us to the level of DisplayPort ultimately.
@@kevinbrook7033 I'll be buying the G2 instead of the Pico 4, due to the video compression of the Pico coming from the PC. So the company still doesn't get my business..
So...pico 4 with a 6800 xt, is a no go?
Unless you lean forward to the instruments, you cannot read the gauges or text on the FMC in the cockpit (MSFS). It is blurry and destroys the immersion. That’s with latest and best 13900k/4090/VD/Wifi6.
I don’t know why you show landscape pictures to compare the two headsets. Anyway I have just ordered the Aero at the reduced price. If the instruments still look blurry from my sitting position, it goes back…
What is 'God Mode'?
It's a setting in VD that is actually called "God like" mode, reserved for high powered GPUs for maximum resolution
@@VRFlightSimGuy Thanks. As a matter of interest what Wireless router do you use for Oculus Air Link or wirelessly to the Pico 4?
God damnit Pico! Just make the Pico 4 with DisplayPort and be done with it!
Maybe I should have just said this and called the video done 😅
Interested to know what battery life you get with the Pico 4 with that scale of graphics on a full charge? Good work as always by the way...
Slightly more than an hour, so you might want to hook up a power bank.
I get aver two hours if I plug a USB-C cable in to my PC probably six hours. If you plug an external battery with 22W it will actually recharge to 100%
Same here, for longer sessions I hook up a power bank. Don’t even notice it’s there.
Well I have to ask mate, how have you got your Pico setup for PC VR ? coming from the Q2 I am not that impressed so far in DCS, bitrate seems massively too low ? Currently connected in Streaming Assistant, Steam VR oversampled to 3200x3200, on a 13900k and 4090 just like you, doesn't wave a candle to the clarity of my Q2 ? (when it works), wireless wasn't an option via VD due to connecting then disconnecting randomly.......and I cant imagine wireless performance can be better than the cable experience? can it ??
Bro, I read everywhere that you need virtual desktop, original streaming assistant is quiet bad
Have you tried hand tracking with tbe Pico? At the moment I don't know if it's used for anything, but it would add a huge amount of immersion in flight sim
Great video I enjoyed watching this comparison
I want to see more helicopter ... and plane ... and glider -- heck just keep 'em all coming!! P.S. couldn't love my Varjo purchase more if I tried.
Cheers Douglas much appreciated. Congrats on the Aero, it's bloody wonderful huh 😊👍
Very interesting video, Steve 👍👍👍
Do you use the rolling cache feature? If you do what size do you set it at?
I do indeed but I can't remember sorry. I'll have a check next time I'm back at the PC.
So, if the Pico 4 had a display port connection, would it run far more efficiently on less extreame GPU's?
Correct
Do you need icons to see distant aircraft with the Pico4...Aero, and I would like to know how the answer to this question with the Crystal when you get a chance to review it.
Pico yes, Aero no. Crystal? Stay tuned...
Can you read cockpit displays and buttons or is that reserved for the top-end Aero?
Yes but it depends how tiny they are. In the Aero I can read everything though.
@@VRFlightSimGuy Thanks, thought as much, if only there was a way to try-before-you-buy on the Aero, i would order one, I miss the VR experience since returning my G2 for the lack of clarity
@@dave-j-k you returned g2 for lack of clarity?? It's one of the best resolution headsets out there...?
@@gizmo104drives7 And yet the G2's sweet spot is so small that you can't read a glass cockpit unless you tilt your head down. Not good enough. Need to be able to look out of an airplane and without moving your head read the instruments.
@@gizmo104drives7 best "budget" headset maybe, i just found it impossible to read the buttons and displays without leaning in a lot, I tried it for some weeks, fiddled with every option out here but it just wouldn't do it. The best option was straight TAA but then the cockpit and rest of display looked pants but the displays were readable.
I would be interested to know if it is possible to run a Pico 4 with a Shadow Cloud PC? has anyone tried this?
Hi. I've bought the Pico 4 and Virtual Desktop and I am trying to run MSFS but I just cannot seem to get it working in VR. I've got MSFS running in Virtual Desktop but on a screen inside VR. I cannot get it to run in VR (if you know what I mean). Any chance of you doing a Step-by-step setup of the Pico 4 to run MSFS? That would help me enormously and I'm sure some others too. Thanks.
I havent got MSFS only Xplane. I have to run Steam and from that run SteamVR then start Xplane making sure VR is enabled in the Xplane settings. I think you can enable VR in MSFS from the keyboard. The default keyboard binding to enter VR mode is CTRL+TAB
@@tonyk3912 Many thanks for that. I've tried loads of different ways to get it but still cannot get it to work. I've got the Quest 2 and have managed to get that to work in VR connected to my PC, but alas cannot get PC streaming to the Pico 4 using Steam, SteamVR, Virtual Desktop and MSFS. A detailed Step-By-Step would be great and I would at least know if I was doing everything correctly. So how about it @VRFlightSimGuy . That would be great thanks.
Did you ever find a good step by step setup guide for your Pico 4 and MSFS? My Pico arrives tomorrow and I have no idea how to set up and run MSFS in VR.
Just like anything, tech is phased in slowly to maximise profit as we buy the next gen product every year. A lot of us will buy the pico 4 because it has great new tech applicable to this year and next year if they release a pico 5 with DP we will buy that on the day it's released because we know it builds on the great pico 4. It's just a shame we have to wait for true PCVR to become 'affordable' . On the other hand we might never get a pico 5 DP and have to fork out 2-3k for the next gen aero chasing Clarity and FPS. I also feel like even the 4090 and 13900 aren't yet powerful enough to make use of the current headsets in terms of FPS on high graphics settings. We're not quite there yet but we're close. What a time to be alive as this new era of tech comes through 🥳
Great content as usual! I've been getting 45 FPS avg in cities with my Pico4 on a 12700K, 3080 upscaled 150% in SteamVR, using DLS Balanced and my LODs turned way down to keep CPU use in the
Strike my question. I've watched a few more of your videos and the muscle the 4090 can pump out to use God mode in VD is going to be worth it. I've ordered mine! Thanks again for the videos.
Nice one, let me know how you get on and thanks for the watching :)
Hi, Congrats on your purchase and how is your experience after some time. How do you compare, in your experience the gpu upgrade to the previous card? You should consider OpenXR Toolkit....this will really help.
Some feedback on IPD. Mine is 75mm and a G2 is almost useless to me, as it won’t go beyond 68mm. Hesitated picking up the P4 with max 72mm, but it works just fine. I’d say that 90% of the image is sharp and there is just a little blur on the edge, which doesn’t bother me at all.
No display port is why I can't switch to the Quest Pro but I can't recommend the Aero to anyone until that login requirement gets neutered
Interesting thanks for your thoughts Clive. Can you not use the Aero offline then?
@@VRFlightSimGuy you really cannot. If something happens to your connection, something happens to their connection or if something happens to interfere with your connection to Varjo you will not be able to do anything at all with your hmd but sulk. I can't VR if there's an internet outage :(
@@D-money813 Seriously? The Aero is an online only headset? Don't have one but that's crazy!
@@richardnoall3758 for north of 2 thousand american dollars!! Other than that, I have 0 issues with it.
@@richardnoall3758 just like right now, the login servers are busy so i have a useless HMD
So a 3080 wouldnt cut it with the pico 4 then. The prices of the varjo in new zealand is a out 4.5k and the rtx 4090 is similar cost but the pico 4 is only around $ 700.00
i mean only if you want best quality in MS flight sim. but overall for other games pico 4 with 3080 is a good match
@@ubaft3135 il2? what about 4070?
Someone tried pico 4 with a 4080 ? Own a g2 atm but v1 and looking to upgrade to something.
I have a 4080 and pico 4. Runs well, but I limit sim racing titles to 72 fps rather than 90. I find this means I can run in god mode, everything ultra in game and have a rock solid framerate. However I mostly play simracing titles so not a direct comparison.
Until you get the Crystal and you'll be asked that or Aero! Lol. If it's as good as reported it will be better visually than Aero. Pico4 will be probably then be obsolete for simmers with $$$ to spend. More than Pico but less than Aero, but more features than both
The fact that this is apparently close to Varjo Aero steers me away from that (latter). I'd like to try it, but reverb and pico have not been near enough for me. Guess the comfort level depends on size and shape of your head :p
In terms of visuals, it's really not close to the Aero. I hoped I made that clear (pardon the pun) in the video. However, it does stand up well considering its price.
@@VRFlightSimGuy but it seems even then, its not far off. Based on both this, your other videos as well as other people. It'd really have to be much better for me to justify that price.
Based on specs (i know it has foveated rendering, still says 35ppd sharpest officially, some say its actually 45-48), I really doubt its even 2x sharper than say a quest2 or pico4. That's worse than 1080p on a 32" monitor..
@@VRFlightSimGuy I assume the Varjo vr-3 / xr-3 were still much better than the Aero?
@@VRFlightSimGuy I tried the reverb G2 and thought it was WAYY over hyped (though it is my first VR headset, so maybe I'm ignorant of how far we've come). Yes, the sweet spot is pretty good, but the FOV is tiny, the sweet spot is tiny, and anything outside of that is a smeary mess.
Is the pico 4 significantly better?
Bought I pico4 to play DCS with a 3070 and it was bad nice to know with the 4090 it runs good…
Just another $1500 ontop!
what about a 4070?
Great vid.
So its a Ferrari vs a hot hatch
Thank you. That's a perfect analogy
Funny how you never mention the horrendous "red shift" in the Aero. As an owner of said headset I caution anyone considering purchasing one to first do their research. Perhaps have a look on the Varjo discord and see what others are saying about it before blindly following this "influencer" opinion.
Yes it make the glass cockpit MFD really weird, like the screen is a 3D image instead of being flat. And Aero acknowledge the problem and say they are trying to fix it. Can't believe this isn't commented on by any TH-camr reviewer What gives!?!
@@jchristi99 at least one other TH-camr has highlighted this issue. Check out the nerdaxic review here: th-cam.com/video/pe8bjcJvd68/w-d-xo.html He paid for the headset out of his own pocket so maybe that has something to do with him being a little more candid in his review?
You still didn't say how much performance overhead the Pico 4 uses (for compression) in comparison to the Aero or Reverb G2. I keep watching these videos in the hope that you'll give some technical details, but keep getting disappointed. :(
VR is fun - but none of these headsets have anywhere near the pixel purity/crystal clear clarity of a QD-OLED monitor now…
true, but no QDOled has the depth and near reality experience of a VR, for simracing are gold!
Buy the pick and the 4090 to go with it and your at the same price as keeping your 3090 and getting the aero
Sell the 3090 and get some money back as well
I heard they sell Pico 4 at 150$ loss. If they included DP they would kill stand alone and therefore profits from Pico store.
My Varjo arrives in a few weeks, paired with my 4090! EEEEK
Perfect combo!
We need to harass ByteDance into building a Pico 4 Link version, without the standalone capabilities.
I am building a new 4090/VR system and will purchase MSFS and wondering if there is a preference of Steam or MS Store for VR user purchase
I bought Pico 4 and i'm very disapointed. I'm using Quest 2 from one month for PCVR with USB3 cable. I spent a lot of time to find out the best configuration (FPS and Quality). And now a lot of YT and internet hype for Pico 4 with Virtual Desktop (aka game changer and so on..) It's a bullshit for me. I've bought Pico 4 few days ago for better FOV, resolution and overall "image quality". Tested everything (WiFi6, USB-C etehernet card, USB3 cable, Streaming Assistant and Virtual Desktop (Godlike on my RTX 4090). Sorry, there is no way to have even close what i have on Quest 2 with OpenXR Toolkit and Open Composite with USB3 cable (I mean FPS and overall image quality not FOV of course). Now I will return my Pico 4, stay with Quest 2 and in the time where I wait for Quest 3 I will try HP Reverb G2 V2 because have also better spec then Q2 but can work same straight way like Q2 (OXRT, OC) without this sh**ty heavy SteamVR which Pico 4 use. Try your configuratiion with Virtual Desktop instead Streaming Assistant and You will see much better quality and performance, yes it's true. But again, for me even VD it's not to close what i've got from OXRT and OC. I wanted to have the same quality and performance on Pico 4, and even better due to the spec, but it's not possible until Pico 4 will not fully natively supports/uses Open XR.
As much as I wanted to like this video I can't - you spend the time re-iterating THAT the Pico 4 stands up well against the Varjo Aero, but say nothing about WHY. Sure you throw out the phrase "visual fidelity" early on and make some implicit reference to the lack of a DP connection, but then you don't explain it or give any kind of metric. Is it 90% as good? Is it 25% as good? Good in what way? Clarity? Distortion? Weight? Sound? Does it feel hot on your head after a while? Please explain what you mean, as it was a frustrating watch this time :-/ (context: I've never owned any VR headset so this is all research for me as I look to upgrade my GPU too.) Also why do you say you need a 4090? What about the AMD 7900 XT or XTX ? etc etc
Sorry if this wasn't up to your standards, I'm just doing these videos for fun, as I'm a busy guy with a full time job. I'm not expert. Best of luck in your search :)
@@VRFlightSimGuy I understand completely and that's cool. I've seen a bunch of your other videos and like your tone and pace. I hope I didn't come across OTT but perhaps I did. Do keep up the excellent work 😀
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