Dawnbringers Book 2 - Reign of the Brute - Warhammer Weekly 09202023
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- Join us for another week of news, rumors and all things Warhammering! This week, we are breaking down Dawnbringer's Book 2 - there is so much new story and content, but is it worth your time. Let's find out!
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Just wanted to say I appreciate you and Tyler and what you fellas do. Thanks for the video. Vince your videos are the main thing outside of actual play that keeps me motivated and excited for AoS.
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Thanks for the shoutout! Love you guyz!
Our pleasure!
Great breakdown as always Vince. Also really liked your stab at story coverage. You should definitely keep doing that. Really fun add on to the book coverage and also its nice going into fluff breakdown and analysis too its a fun to discuss. As for the new stuff yeah the models are great but I feel they phoned in these points values and some of the abiliites (SOB especially) they clearly need some fine tuning but that will come eventually.
Love it when you guys talk about getting a video done in two hours and I see almost 4hrs on the clock haha, it's excellent painting content so feel free to keep hitting that 3 hour mark!
It was me! Schemes, let’s go!
I’ve always had great feedback whenever I’ve used them.
Hell yeah!
Just finished painting the new Deathmaster and going to play three Deathmasters on the weekend with these points drops, one from each generation. Going to be fun.
Loved the story time with Vince V!
Re Slaanesh: We have a Hedonites player in our friend group, and although we're nowhere near your guys' level of competitive play (it takes us sometimes upwards of 1 hour a round), none of us have ever had a problem with their rules.
As far as flavour goes, I'd put Hedonites up with Maggotkin as an absolute slam dunk win; the idea of the army getting stronger as the soldiers get more depraved in their violence is *chef's kiss*. We've also found that it doesn't add a whole lot of extra decision making to scenarios, maybe like 5 ~ 10 seconds?
And as a personal opinion, I'll say the growing strength of the army through Depravity points is a great way of distinguishing the Hedonites from the other superfast glass-cannon armies (Idoneth and DoK) mechanically. Now fighting Slaanesh is a race against the clock: can you kill them before their buffs reach critical mass?
Just my 2 cents, but I don't think they're a mechanically unfun mess, and more that they're maybe just not for you. I feel the same way about Khorne right now.
The mere idea of Story Time w/ Vince is enough for the like and subscribe
Fantastic! More to come. :)
Great show!
It hurt losing the recursion on immortis/stalkers but it was very NPE. When your opponent sees 3+ they don’t feel very well :/
Ogors though, they need a new 4.0 book. Every rule that makes them unique is handed out like candy and making ogors even worse. Frostlords are great but for that cost i’d rather go an ethereal VLoZD. You wreck new players and the wreckred by better books/players. Ogors should not be 50% 😢
You wanted to know why "Super Regeneration" and regular Regeneration are seperate abilities. It's GW's way of making the D3+3 Healing synergize with the abilities referenced in Gloggs Megamob if you take Trugg in a Megamob list. Rather than rewriting the rules text for Glogg's to include Trugg's own brand of D3+3 Regeneration, they just gave Trugg an extra ability that modifies an existing ability that interacts with the Subfaction.
They could've just put out an errata for Gloggs to include Trugg's special Regeneration, but. . . They didn't.
Vince, you have the same thought as me. As a tournament organiser, I just don't want players to remove the terrain pieces and put them back. We put a lot of effort into providing nice tables, you don't want them to be put on the floor.
My thoughts exactly
In reference to Tyler's comment on checking the data, the goal is 60% of scroll played, so 40% unplayable is fine if they achieve target which is interesting..... and why GW balance effects casual players more
I'm a bit mad at GW for how they handled the rules of latest two releases for Gitz. Both Trugg and the Rabble Rowza before him are excellent models with. . . less than perfect rules to say the least. The strangest part is GW clearly *wants* you to play Trugg and the Rabble Rowza together.
Not only because it mimics the Lore of Braggitt shouting at Trugg and getting the Trogg King to chase him all over the place. But also because Trugg is the ONLY Gitz Monster without any other ways to access to run-and-charge. Mangler Squigs get it from the Bad Moon and Aracnarok Spiders get it from a Webspinner Shaman. So in a Gitz army, the Rabble Rowza's run-and-charge ability exists only for Trugg or Troggbosses with the command trait to make them monsters.
But the issue is that Trugg isn't pointed with a traditional Gitz list in mind, he's pointed around his Army of Renown. And in his army of Renown, you can't take the Rabble Rowza, so he's stuck trudging slowly up the board with that 6" move of his. But in a regular Gitz list, you're investing another 100 points into Trugg, meaning you've now invested 420 points, which is not a small amount for something with a 4+ armor and no Ward. The rules on these models have been pulled in two distinct directions that conflict with each-other, and that feels *real* bad imo. But it gives me hope that a perspective 4th edition update will resolve this tension.
At this point whenever there’s “hobby time” at the start of the show you need to bring me onto the pitch! I have so many hobby projects going on Tyler and Tom can just pick one of mine! 😊
Have to get it all done before the next baby arrives to break more minis 😉
Under 4 hours? Tyler not feeling well?
Can't wait for the next episode. =)
2 hours or less. Lol. Ok. I got you guys on at work for the better part of the afternoon!
Storytime is best time
Thanks, great show!
Nearly 4 hours. You guys are great
Lol. Bonesplitterz player here. I am glad that I am not alone in noticing our army's neglect. After the battlescroll dropped, I Facebook stalked Matt Rose to plead for my Army. He was nice, but was very tight lipped. I was expecting as much, but was hoping for at least some assurance that the army would continue to exist in AoS.
King of Troggs, King of Gargants and King of Cannibals all in the same event? Man, the Brits sure do love their royal families😁
Coronation year my friend
I loved storytime! So much I even hit the like button.
The bell either needs 2D6 ringing or a bonus to the roll for each consecutive turn you ring bell (so the consistency of high rolls improves as the game progresses)
Lady Catherine, The Widow of Andtor
Eventually they're going to need to figure out a narrative climax that isn't "City Under Siege." We get it, Helm's Deep was cool, but it wouldn't be as cool if we did it over and over.
Hey thank you for sharing my series! ❤
Of course! I would never get any of the lore if not for your series. ;)
Thanks for another great show guys! It will sound a little selfish but I do love the longer episodes. More awesomeness to listen too while hobbying away! :D Also I know you where joking when you said it but I'd totally be all for sarcastic story time with Vince as a regular thing! :')
As for the changes to OBR. I as an OBR player myself feel we got away quite lightly to be honest. Sure healing the Immortis/Stalkers back with only 1 wound will stop the recursion spam. But in my experience killing them in the first place within a Katakros list has always been the hard part to begin with. 5 wounds on a 2+/5++ each is ALOT to cut through without the right tool to do so. But it is a step in the right direction as the healing was oppressive and bad for the game. I'm amazed Null Myriad stayed untouched but expect to see that changed next balance update. But it's so nice to see the Mortek, Harvester and Cralwer all down. :)
Big miss on the big pigs, but hopefully the AoR is more of a stop gap until the new book next edition.
Just love that IJZ have list options now and more importantly, some mortal wounds!
3:05:00 In my opinion it's not that Chaos Warriors are bad-More that Knights are insanely good (mobile, an amazing hammer with their ability for the whole unit to strike and also an excellent anvil with 10 knights having 30 wounds on a 3+ save and 5+ MW protection). Really Knights should have gone up in points. Powerful units should not get a discount just because there are other even more powerful units in the same army.
Answer on the Slaanesh player because I'm loving it right now, and am taking it to as many events as I can. (Except offering dice that gets old by round 2) Right now i love triple commands they scratch the johnny itch of setting up things exactly right to get use out of a triple redeploy or unleash hell. Sigvald and having a keeper make him fight twice satisifys my Timmy desires. I also really love the invaders and daisy chaining a bunch of unbinds or finest hours and the artifact to give everything an extra attack to its profiles gives all the happy dopeamine if more than 2 units are dighting.
Absolutely loved the Story Time with Vince. ❤
You said "summer king" and I definitely heard "summer CAMP" and it definitely took me a bit to realize... I was confused haha
Great video and I am super interested in having a Trugg army for AoS, but I am starting from nothing. What books would I need to play this army please?
I would say Dawnbringers, and the GHB at minimum. The Gitz book just in case you want a physical reference to the warscrolls or for other information (story, painting, etc.).
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Love the show as always, my group of aos including me refuse to play with battle tactics from book because we think that they are unbalanced within each other. Since the start of 3e edition we have never played with them and the result is that most of our game finish with 2/3 tactics done depending on the ghb but the game is more fun because we actualy feel like we are playing the same game and not a wacky agenda. I realy think that people that are tired of this way of balancing the game or of battle tactics in battletome should also try to play like this !
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I'm still sure that Andtor is just some logic statement from a line of programming somewhere.
Couldn’t agree more with his lack of megaboss status. Actually canceled my order of the model just because all I’ve wanted for years was a megaboss on a pig and then we got a new type of boss, with no synergy…
Hopefully, it gets fixed in the FAQ
Hi Vince, question, do you know of anyone that creates a meta report with winrates per faction? If so, is there a global one or only region specific?
Honest Wargamer.
Yeah, HW does, but there are some others online as well.
Thanks again for a great show...and please, please 🙏 do vinces story time...I would watch a 45 min book review in your sarcastic tone with pure joy.
Another great warhammer weekly. IJ player and I agree with your takes. Frustrating because I was hoping for the big pig to give us a way to mitigate screens without being a copy of the ogors monstrous action. What we got was a monstrous action that does that but will barely ever work and the ogor monstrous action still got copied just by somebody else. So almost but not quite 😄
I just wanted to give you some engagement. I wanted to say that the change to Fuethan is awesome, but likely not impactful. One shark from the shiver, within range of another shark from the shiver, got exploding 6s on bites only. Now all three sharks get the benefit added to all of their attacks. No extra positioning needed. However, this doesn't address any of the myriad issues wet aelves face. So, cool change, don't expect it to change much.
I want the Story Time to become a regular segment now, on WHWeekly.
is Tyler a NewHeights Normie? I must know which Kelce he prefers. The Eagles have basically drafted my Bulldawgs starting Defense and I'm now a Philly fan by transitive property.
I don't understand a single word you just said.
By the way the increased the point cost of the maelstorm by 20 bringin it to 50 but they forgot to put that on the battlescroll and only added it to the pitched battles profile. Great videos as always!
Yep, we mention it a little later on. :)
That’s clearly a Carrion foot in the rumour engine.
1:11:00 Vince is confused by the troll king being goaded through a portal in a setting that has a lot of magic portals and by a character who's main function is to goad big monsters. That is pretty crazy, I suppose ;)
I'm not confused, I am pointing out the story contrivance that there was no reason for that to happen at all other than they wanted him on Ghyran to "wake up" but then actually wanted him to act on Aqshy, you can feel the plot contrivance.
The issue with the tzeentch book is that like skaven it is a 2.5 tome. There are a few new tricks and the spell list was made to be more interesting but the actual design philosophy is still out of whack. Subfactions mostly didnt change, Tzangor still dont have a real subfaction, flamers should have rend natively with their subfaction not just giving them a linear power buff, and theres no use for fate points besides summoning meaning if you arent prioritizing casting its because you are forced to lean on some other under-costed external power unit. In 2.0 that was Archaeon and now thats krondspine. This leaves Tzeentch to be a go tall army with focused firepower but no real identity besides leaning heavily on the magic phase.
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I will bring it back!
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Liking for doggos on a shirt
An honest question. Who are these books for? In my (through my narrow view of the hobby) experience the "friendly narrative" players usually do their own stuff rather than getting these somewhat rigid books and it doesn't sound like that much in these books are for the tournament players, although some is. Who is GW aiming for? The collectors.
With that said, Keiser ven Brecht is the dude.
Big pigs not having impact hits seems like a big miss. I also think the momentum thing was a bit of a miss. maybe d3 when you move a d3 when you advance for 2d3 and d3 to charge. Or make it so you only lose momentum end of the battle round or only end of your turn. if the krew was 2 attacks per guy for a total of 4 instead of 2 i'd be a little more up on big pig. For the point cost i thought the gouger was better, but maybe the difference in monster action makes the difference.
the brutes i thought the weird boyz were generally better due to the 5+ ward, but it does seem mortal wounds are the way to go.
for the ardboyz was there discussion on which is better choppas or spears? I was leaning towards spears for the range for the 32mm bases and as they would be more anvil to get that rend when they are charged.
Callis and toll miniatures are 100% on the way
I honestly rate the Orruk Ardboys well due to how well they take their buffs. I played one game against them in Big Waaagh! and they were getting +1 hit and wound and +1 damage and suddenly you are dealing with a unit that is, when charging, 3 attacks each, 2+/2+ -1 rend and 2 damage.
I mean, I compare them to my 200pt Bestigor and I wish they are that good. Maybe I am missing something, perhaps I am not taking into account the points for the buffing pieces.
It's a fair point, I was speaking about them in Ironjawz, but you are right that they are completely different in Big Waagghhh which is a whole different lens (Big pig is also scary there).
Please do a lore series!
The story until now...
(queue Carry On Wayward Son)
I do not understand the points change to the slann. it does not fix what makes seraphon strong and it kills the slann in coalesced. I think you'll just see 2 starseers in every coalesced lists now (unless ppl go for kroak), which makes me very sad cause I dont care for starborne.
Great discussion around the IJ part of the book btw :)
The ragerz, weirdbrutes and big pigs feel like a giant neon sign saying "bonesplittaz are getting squatted" seeing that all 3 would have made great BS units.
Y'all are crazy, free Verminlord with the bell slaps, bay-bay!
How are you getting the verminlord? How are you damaging the bell?
For Stirring Beyond The Veil, I usually guide the SB onto an objective, let it take damage and when I'm pretty much certain I can win the roll to get more than the 13 needed for the VL @@VinceVenturella
Why doesn't the Maw Crusher do Maw Crusher damage anymore? That comment confused me, and it wasn't elaborated on 🙂
Also, if attacks are resolved after the 4 bullet points in 13.3, attacks are indeed resolved before casualties are removed (I would say) 🙂
The mawcrusha (or rather the guy on top) has a -1 rend, and 2 damage. That doesn't carry much weight in the world of save stacking we live in. Even the maw crusha itself with -2 and 3 damage can whiff pretty easy as it's usually quite easy to get +2 to save. If he doesn't have the AoA or the Best Day Ever, he just does not much damage.
Thanks for the show guys. Just wanted to complain about how everything unique to ogors is taken by quite literally every other faction in the game, to the point that its just frustrating every time a new book comes out i look for "what did they steal from the ogors this time?". Im almost in a place where i just want a rewrite of a book that's only A YEAR OLD but my goodness can they stop spreading my rules over every other faction. If everyone is an ogor than there isnt anything unique about an army of them. Thank goodness for the frostlord (and now not even him) and cannons bc in all honesty outside of those two units i don't see that much of a difference between ogors and the other big elite units in the other factions.
I wonder if Da Choppas are now viable, since we've got better profile for Ard boyz, Klonk and new kamikaze Brutes. Violent Fury 3 for 1? Yes please.
What I don't like is that it's a 3 model unit for price of one 5 man brute unit (speaking in dollars). I think I'm gonna get me some regular brutes and give them big weapons...
Also: what I need to do is somehow sell my old Ard Boyz to someone playing Old World :D
Story time!
Other thing to note with the KO AoR is that they can't take any battalions as all the heroes become battleline
I'm not sure that's not going to be FAQ'd, it would make list building actually impossible and illegal, so I am assuming that this will be corrected.
They “gain” the battleline role rather than replace their battlefield role. The conditional battlefield role rule is specific to changes made in the pitched battles notes column and is also unless noted otherwise which is what the “gain” wording does. There’s precedent for units having multiple battlefield roles with mega gargants.
Commenting from the UK here - recently really started getting into your content.
With regards slaanesh, i am enjoying playing as them alot, the group i play with has a good amount of experienced guys and i like the interaction with the depravity mechanic. However if i am going to play a new player or someone less experienced i wouldnt use slaanesh and go something more vanilla like stormcast etc. Messing with dice rolls is something that can confuse new guys i feel.
And HARD AGREE with the keeper of secrets being not worth 400 points. Played 12 games in the new GHB with her and has done less than nothing most of the time
Good notes on both cases.
I 1000% would watch Vince Story Time Lore Videos.
Story time segment was rad and I'm happy it seems way more substantial than the pittance in the last book. The lore and artwork for what's currently going on is integral to my enjoyment of the game. The silly macguffins and plot contrivances are especially key. They're the key flavor that make this not feel like 40k.
The thumbnail bait and switch, here I thought we were gonna get a whole Tom not a Tyler!
I’d be disappointed to!
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Absolutely! Unleash the fluffy hounds of hell.
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Is the daemon prince simply doomed to be terrible for as long as apotheosis exists on the table?
How do they write a scroll that fits the lore, but doesn't break the game if a random fool of a hero (or 4) can ascend mid game?
There may be a correct answer, but will GW try for that bullseye, or just continue to play it safe by writing a dud?
It's a great question, I think there is no reason you couldn't have it be functional and quality without being amazing and still a goal.
Imo the point increases for SBGL are bad.
I‘d prefer them to fix subfactions or to put a cap on the amount of Zombies one can field instead of pointing things out of the game.
VLoZD is plainly bad outside of LoB. The amount of times that thing did zero damage and just died were bad enough at its original point value.
Dire Wolves are a joke now.
The increase for Fellbats is beyond me.
My (explicitly not Tournament or min maxed lists) are utterly ruined by this increase - needlessly so.
At this point I'd just take the 2nd edition codex back over this train wreck.
this game is beautiful, people are nice but the rules are jokes. Still wonder why people try to do competitive while it's intended for fun plays or narrative
I suppose because that is fun too :) (or can be).
BIG PIG
The momentum rule reads a lot like the aggradon rage rule. These rules both suck.