I do feel like you guys are overusing and misusing the word rework. When i hear that i think the spec's mechanics and core gameplay have changed entirely.
He's a streamer. Unfortunately streamers are notorious for dubious titles just to get hits on their videos. Id take every video and video title you see on youtube from content creators with a grain of salt.
@@MarcelianOnline May Slaanesh eat your elvin soul and may Nurgle bless you with a single horn, and may Tzeentch show you magical things ... that... do stuff... like pulling bunnies out of your butt... All this says Khorne... who has reserved a special place on his throne for your skull... when you're done using it.
I really like this design of the class and the new hero talents it really increases the depth of your character and is fun. Its good they finally return back to focusing on class design and class fantasy as the main part of the game because more fun to travel the world in a lamborghini than a fiat punto! With san'layn haste and dk talent tree haste you can actually gear around other stats rather than haste, you could go giga juice on mastery if you want to go for big shields combined with umbicillus and be mega tanky, or you could go full crit/vers for max amount of AOE damage, so many ways you can go with the character and play whatever way you enjoy. its definitly going to increase the longevity of the game
it does, some tanks was trash for a whole xpac until they buff the armor Try to do some dugeons with a full cloth party without being dwarf, heals cant keep then up or even better shaman resto with shield vs without it
Yeah Guardian Druids Iron Fur is a completely useless button and they should not press it, ever. Also, once they grab aggro, they can switch to cat because the armor from bear form is useless and cat does more damage.
Bruh i am so torn. Should i play blood, unholy or frost? All of them? Basicly everything looks not only fun to play, but very strong too... I love everything about the reworked Dk's, the Specs the hero talents, well aside from the S1 Set design, everything...
Not taking Purgatory? If so whats the reason? (new to dk tank, and I always thought that talent was mandatory) Sorry if I missed that point in the video
Blood dk looks amazing now. Been main blood dk since wotlk so this changes makes me happy haha as it looks so damn good. Why did you skip the last 3 hero talents tho in the San talents?
Should note that vampiric strike does shadow damage, so blood shot utility decreases when playing san’layn. Makes it more reasonable to take Umbilicus Eternus or… Tightening grasp.
I don't play tank but for me blood dk is probably the most interesting it's unique in regards of using 2h weapon and you can use legendary 2h which makes it even more cool
Legendary is a double-edged sword. It's awesome if you get your hands on it, but it's horrible if you're unlucky and never get it as your spec is tuned around having it.
I plan on BETA testing tomorrow but i feel like I'm going to remain unheard... Like as soon as I submit something, some dev is going to write back, Git Gud scrub, or Skill Issue.
On the topic of Rune Tap, It is a great set of training wheels. RT helped me years ago get a feel for tanking with BDK. Smoothing out dmg intake is great for a 1st time BDK.
Been a BDK since cata, dropped it in DF after playing from cata->SL religously with brewmaster as my second most played tank ever. Suffice to say, im super glad to see the changes! Cant wait to be a mastery build and be viable for tankiness and high high end content. HOORAH FOR FOREVER SHIELDS!
blood looks great and has an awesome fantasy, just would like some new/ more cool effects, blood really lacks in that department if compared to vengeance or prot pala :/
DK in general is lacking VFX. Marrowrend, scourge strike, obliterate, epidemic, etc all look very lacking compared to what other melee classes can throw out.
The changes look really good. But what about the mobility? Do they change anything on that? I love BDK but if Blizz dont give some more movement options, BDK will always be behind...
these modern DEI devs really don't know what a "tree" is, huh? Bone Shield related talents for example are nowhere near each other, none are even connected...
Except if you go to the DK class discord apparently this rework is terrible and multiple people are considering quitting because the devs don't know what they're doing etc etc. Class discords are a mistake
Blood sometimes has a little too much going on at times but it makes it the most fun tank. I want to play other tanks like Pally but I just get bored after a while cause you just spam abilities without much thought. I like the whole gameplay loop with the bone shield charges.
Do they have runic power? They are probably going to death strike. As a holy priest I just maintain renew and if they trigger their cheat death, heal them.
played bdk since cata prepatch. Soloed raidbosses and other stuff back in the day. BDK have always feelt super strong in content it cant die in. Have Blizz fixed the oneshot problem of blood dk? its been there since i started in cata pre patch. have blizz updated all the super bad talents that are in the blood dk tree. Leeching strikes, blood feast? Are bdk still forced to stand in there death and decay? Do Marrowrend still hit like a wet nuddle?
This rework is so extreme that I've been stuck in stormwind just trying to figure out how to rebuild my character and what the rotation is going to be. Update: Yeah i give up. you basically have to relearn the entire class. That's too much without some sort of a support structure in place.
Bonestorm requiring you to get 10 bone shield charges before using it makes it BAD for snap aggro as you normally don’t have full charges going into a pack…… OR you used DRW to get charges but now you don’t need the extra aggro because DRW is great
You can use DRW for initial snap threat and if you think you'll lose aggro to big burst classes, BS will be good for more snap threat allowing the burst classes to just nuke the mobs early instead of big snap at first and suddenly losing aggro anyways (Or open with D&D+Blood Boil/Gorefiends)
It feels like frost will be the main loser here cause San seems like the way to go due to the haste. Deathbringer looks fun but joining a group as a blood deathbringer I feel will be looked down upon cause you will lack the haste and group support.
i wont say the best tank, but we get what like 4 points? plus bonetorm is a must have, DRW will have a Big uptime because the Bonestorm now use Bone charges instead
I would be cautious about calling it best, blood always looks as best tank before expansion and then reality hits and hits bottom of barrel until it gets buffed every week.
I played the whole S3 with BDK. I ended in ctf Gear (489) I started to play Outlaw rogue in S4, but after i saw the Heroic Talents for Rogue, im so disappointed. And now this rework... welcome back BDK in TWW ❤❤❤ Very nice rework
Im waiting for the day when they re-do the horribly dated visuals for bone shield haha. It doesnt look that cool to have blurry femors spinning around you like a ps1 game. I thought the bone armor necromancers had in d3 looked great. I wish they'd do something like that! Or just literally give dks a boneshield to hold in their offhand and they 1h a 2h.
Looks like my new main will be tank 😅 if you have so much runic power is there a new spender? Because with full HP Deathstrike just gives you a absorb with mastery and thats not much 😅
If you crit the heal from DS you can actually get (currently) up to 3m shields with a full mastery/crit spec, it's broken as hell especially with the Vamp Blood shield too
The talent trees for DPS are just a matter of choosing between single target or aoe dps.. hero talents are just more passive modifiers that force you into a class theme in the case of blood elf phoenix fire mages for example. What if you’re a gnome fire mage? Feels off. They should have gone back and fixed all the cumbersome class mechanics, improving what they already have instead of adding even MORE complications. 😴
my problem with retail - too much flashy shit on screen too much visual clutter everything exploding left and right shittons of numbers nothing makes sense
Ossified Vitriol its so bad talent, Nobody cares about marrowend dmg (now in logs it is 1% dmg overall). Instead of removing of pointless talents like relish in blood, leeching strikes,blood tap, blood feast they add one more stupid talent and keeps blocking from real talents like you want (rapid decomposition, sanguine grounds,). Also nobody will run with blooddrinker or consumption it still very very weak and sacrifise cheat death its not worth it
@@DanielTorres-lb6hs I'm sorry if English is not your first language (or you're just slow). The changes they have made are a start at making Blood viable for M+, but are nowhere near close to being done in order for the spec to be able to compete with the better tanks specs. Hopefully you can read that.
@@MarcelianOnline Sure, for low levels, same as anyone else. If you're only focused on completing your vault, its fine. For higher end, it explodes. It is on par with Prot Warriors in DF and only above Brewmasters. VDH >>>> Prot Pally >> Bear >>> Prot War == Blood > Brew Which, I know you know.
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I do feel like you guys are overusing and misusing the word rework. When i hear that i think the spec's mechanics and core gameplay have changed entirely.
Agree 100%. Rework should be things like: warlock changws after mop, survival becoming a melee spec, and DK no longer having 3 types of runes
He's a streamer. Unfortunately streamers are notorious for dubious titles just to get hits on their videos. Id take every video and video title you see on youtube from content creators with a grain of salt.
Well I dunno, the entire tree has been moved around and reworked. The core is still there, cuz it always be, but the tree is essentially brand new
@@Extremetiesespecially this channel is so obnoxious with the baits and videos….just spamming random tier lists with barely any proper knowledge
Yeah, a better option would be TWW Refresh imo. But I can see why that doesn’t sound as good or as catchy
i am so up for this class once again, both hero trees look awesome!! Cant wait to play it and frost spec as well. Thanks for the video!
Glad you like friend!
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@@calknight9578 As long as it flows
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@@MarcelianOnline May Slaanesh eat your elvin soul and may Nurgle bless you with a single horn, and may Tzeentch show you magical things ... that... do stuff... like pulling bunnies out of your butt... All this says Khorne... who has reserved a special place on his throne for your skull... when you're done using it.
My Anxietys at an all time high playing Brew, Blood DK will give me a heart attack 😭😭
I really like this design of the class and the new hero talents it really increases the depth of your character and is fun. Its good they finally return back to focusing on class design and class fantasy as the main part of the game because more fun to travel the world in a lamborghini than a fiat punto!
With san'layn haste and dk talent tree haste you can actually gear around other stats rather than haste, you could go giga juice on mastery if you want to go for big shields combined with umbicillus and be mega tanky, or you could go full crit/vers for max amount of AOE damage, so many ways you can go with the character and play whatever way you enjoy. its definitly going to increase the longevity of the game
Did you skip left side of San Layn hero talents or did I miss something?
Imagine an RPG where armor actually matters.
I mean, it does, you just don't have a say in it
it does, some tanks was trash for a whole xpac until they buff the armor
Try to do some dugeons with a full cloth party without being dwarf, heals cant keep then up
or even better shaman resto with shield vs without it
try tanking with Blood DK without the armor bone shield provide, your healer will cry
Yeah Guardian Druids Iron Fur is a completely useless button and they should not press it, ever. Also, once they grab aggro, they can switch to cat because the armor from bear form is useless and cat does more damage.
I was hopeful for new animations for DK’s, but that doesn’t sound like it will happen….
That bone shield animation is past due for a rework…
Love your channel dudes, always quality content.
Bruh i am so torn. Should i play blood, unholy or frost? All of them? Basicly everything looks not only fun to play, but very strong too...
I love everything about the reworked Dk's, the Specs the hero talents, well aside from the S1 Set design, everything...
Not taking Purgatory? If so whats the reason? (new to dk tank, and I always thought that talent was mandatory) Sorry if I missed that point in the video
so is san'layn also for dps or tanking only?
Both. Hero talents are not role-restricted.
its for both UDK and BDK
Thanks for the video
Our pleasure! Excited for blood?
Will vengance DH still be overpowered when it comes to control?
Blood dk looks amazing now. Been main blood dk since wotlk so this changes makes me happy haha as it looks so damn good. Why did you skip the last 3 hero talents tho in the San talents?
Hey :)
bit off topic, but where did you get that shirt? :D
oof, forgot, it was a hip-hop / urban style clothing website
Please don't wear that shirt in LA 😅
If the dh continues to be like now, the blood dk, even if it has this rework, will be behind
I've been on a bit of a vampire kick lately, and Sanlayn is looking right up my alley
Should note that vampiric strike does shadow damage, so blood shot utility decreases when playing san’layn. Makes it more reasonable to take Umbilicus Eternus or… Tightening grasp.
I don't play tank but for me blood dk is probably the most interesting it's unique in regards of using 2h weapon and you can use legendary 2h which makes it even more cool
Legendary is a double-edged sword. It's awesome if you get your hands on it, but it's horrible if you're unlucky and never get it as your spec is tuned around having it.
And since a few days ago we have new talents like Carnage which makes Consumption even a better button to press
I plan on BETA testing tomorrow but i feel like I'm going to remain unheard... Like as soon as I submit something, some dev is going to write back, Git Gud scrub, or Skill Issue.
On the topic of Rune Tap, It is a great set of training wheels. RT helped me years ago get a feel for tanking with BDK. Smoothing out dmg intake is great for a 1st time BDK.
Been a BDK since cata, dropped it in DF after playing from cata->SL religously with brewmaster as my second most played tank ever. Suffice to say, im super glad to see the changes! Cant wait to be a mastery build and be viable for tankiness and high high end content. HOORAH FOR FOREVER SHIELDS!
blood looks great and has an awesome fantasy, just would like some new/ more cool effects, blood really lacks in that department if compared to vengeance or prot pala :/
DK in general is lacking VFX. Marrowrend, scourge strike, obliterate, epidemic, etc all look very lacking compared to what other melee classes can throw out.
The changes look really good. But what about the mobility? Do they change anything on that? I love BDK but if Blizz dont give some more movement options, BDK will always be behind...
these modern DEI devs really don't know what a "tree" is, huh?
Bone Shield related talents for example are nowhere near each other, none are even connected...
The Scythes are Lord Marrowgars from ICC they look so cool!!
as a warlock player its sad to see reworks of reworked talent trees while other specs still have old ones. hope thats changing soon.
Except if you go to the DK class discord apparently this rework is terrible and multiple people are considering quitting because the devs don't know what they're doing etc etc. Class discords are a mistake
The only complaint you could have is that it's hugely overloaded lol
only thing still missing is more mobility like unholy gets with rider
I started tanking and playing melee for the first time in dragon flight, looking forward to deathknight for the start on tww
How amazing do you want to make DK? Blizzard: Yes!
blood dk looks so much more fun than it is now!
Didnt expect changes would be that good, wana try asap, hope DK is good
Let's go! Took a 6 month break and coming back for WW. As a BDK main this looks dope! So excited to play my BDK now.
you're not gonna like the death strike change
First! =)
very nice rework on Blood Dk so far! gj and keep it going!
True, and thanks, good time to be a DK :D
Blood sometimes has a little too much going on at times but it makes it the most fun tank. I want to play other tanks like Pally but I just get bored after a while cause you just spam abilities without much thought. I like the whole gameplay loop with the bone shield charges.
Why is there 3 auras of blood plague on ur nameplates sometimes?
Dancing Rune Weapon
@@EriSenshur ahhhh ty
Brewmaster rework video when?
so how will be the button bloat? I am a fucking noob but my hunter is...yeah. hunter.
Fack i hate healing bdk in mythic+. I never know if they will actually heal themselves or just drop dead in .5secs
I just give em a cd if they low as hpal or rdruid you get a few
Do they have runic power? They are probably going to death strike. As a holy priest I just maintain renew and if they trigger their cheat death, heal them.
You should keep an eye on BDK's runic power and not HP. Low HP and high RP = don't worry. Low HP AND low RP = give him some love ;)
@@brano_simasek this is pretty good duly noted for war within. Thanks bro
Consumption might be the most interesting mechanic
I would love just delete abom limb and have gorefiend grasp with silence that would push idea of useful DK even further
Really love the Unholy and Blood DK rework
played bdk since cata prepatch. Soloed raidbosses and other stuff back in the day.
BDK have always feelt super strong in content it cant die in.
Have Blizz fixed the oneshot problem of blood dk? its been there since i started in cata pre patch.
have blizz updated all the super bad talents that are in the blood dk tree. Leeching strikes, blood feast?
Are bdk still forced to stand in there death and decay?
Do Marrowrend still hit like a wet nuddle?
You had me at consumption being good again
This rework is so extreme that I've been stuck in stormwind just trying to figure out how to rebuild my character and what the rotation is going to be.
Update: Yeah i give up. you basically have to relearn the entire class. That's too much without some sort of a support structure in place.
Bonestorm requiring you to get 10 bone shield charges before using it makes it BAD for snap aggro as you normally don’t have full charges going into a pack…… OR you used DRW to get charges but now you don’t need the extra aggro because DRW is great
You can use DRW for initial snap threat and if you think you'll lose aggro to big burst classes, BS will be good for more snap threat allowing the burst classes to just nuke the mobs early instead of big snap at first and suddenly losing aggro anyways (Or open with D&D+Blood Boil/Gorefiends)
I like the cultural use of ACTUAL freaking runes in the BDK logo. Like, literally not even creative interpretation, straight up usage. 0:27
I’m getting the impression the aoe heroic talents are for m+ and the other for raid.
Still, no shaman rework 😢 . May you be cursed, Blizzard .
but what abour crip DK?!
My unholy and Blood have been up and down so often in the last years that i swapped to enh in DF. I cant take another addon of roller coasters
Blood has always been my favorite tank spec... I guess that makes sense coming from a longtime healer 😅
It feels like frost will be the main loser here cause San seems like the way to go due to the haste. Deathbringer looks fun but joining a group as a blood deathbringer I feel will be looked down upon cause you will lack the haste and group support.
i wont say the best tank, but we get what like 4 points? plus bonetorm is a must have, DRW will have a Big uptime because the Bonestorm now use Bone charges instead
I would be cautious about calling it best, blood always looks as best tank before expansion and then reality hits and hits bottom of barrel until it gets buffed every week.
+8 Key: LF BDK ONLY
I played the whole S3 with BDK. I ended in ctf Gear (489)
I started to play Outlaw rogue in S4, but after i saw the Heroic Talents for Rogue, im so disappointed.
And now this rework... welcome back BDK in TWW ❤❤❤
Very nice rework
Prot warrior is not an AoE silence, its an interrupt.
Doesn't help if everything isn't casting all at the same time so much lower value.
cry
its not about making dk's more fun, its about giving all tanks similar levels of aoe control so they are all viable in M+
DONOT keep bloodbeast like that! Do not listen to that attractive man! Summon a vampire= san’layn instead!!!!
DK is back booooooooooiiiiiiii
Warriors do not have silence. They have an AoE taunt that also works as an interrupt. Not a silence!
Im waiting for the day when they re-do the horribly dated visuals for bone shield haha. It doesnt look that cool to have blurry femors spinning around you like a ps1 game. I thought the bone armor necromancers had in d3 looked great. I wish they'd do something like that! Or just literally give dks a boneshield to hold in their offhand and they 1h a 2h.
Not to be negative, but I feel like every expansion we are told Blizzard is listening. Never works out for us.
“Bone bone bone bone bone”
Dh tank any video ?
I won't be happy with DK until they change D&D and make it move with you. Then I'll believe you when you say the Devs are listening.
Blizzard is struggling on shaman and rogue rework. They need new devs.
Please change the blood beasts look, I was hoping it would be make just out of pure blood, not tryna be looking like a necromancer
Looks like my new main will be tank 😅 if you have so much runic power is there a new spender? Because with full HP Deathstrike just gives you a absorb with mastery and thats not much 😅
If you crit the heal from DS you can actually get (currently) up to 3m shields with a full mastery/crit spec, it's broken as hell especially with the Vamp Blood shield too
@@EriSenshur okay then it sounds amazing^^
Khorne Approved. µwµ
U think WE geht in TWW dractyr dk thats will BE so cool
Blood dk sanlayn main 4 sure
Great video. Don't wear that shirt in Compton .
Prot Pally vid next please 🥺🙏🏼
Already on the channel ;)
man is flamed up s/o ken & friends
AOE silence is a crutch which is why it was for the easy tanks to play, not BDK.
The talent trees for DPS are just a matter of choosing between single target or aoe dps.. hero talents are just more passive modifiers that force you into a class theme in the case of blood elf phoenix fire mages for example. What if you’re a gnome fire mage? Feels off.
They should have gone back and fixed all the cumbersome class mechanics, improving what they already have instead of adding even MORE complications. 😴
This is absolutely not a "rework" -- and BDK definitely still sorely needs a proper one.
They need to move away from having to stand in d&d/consecrate bullshit
okay now make gorefiend not a 1.5m cd lol??? wtf is that... treating it like some major dmg cd come on blizzard
Sigil of Silence is also on a 1.5 min CD? GFG is a pull in + a silence.
@@Everst_indo bro compare dh cc to dk cc...
my problem with retail - too much flashy shit on screen too much visual clutter everything exploding left and right shittons of numbers nothing makes sense
Good thing I already hold the names for most 40k names on the US servers.
First! Pog
Hello
Howdy mister, wrong class here, but we know you want it!
"Rework"
sure thing man u just upload things now for content and view hits? i mean blood dk is good yes but deffo not the best tank! :)
Ossified Vitriol its so bad talent, Nobody cares about marrowend dmg (now in logs it is 1% dmg overall). Instead of removing of pointless talents like relish in blood, leeching strikes,blood tap, blood feast they add one more stupid talent and keeps blocking from real talents like you want (rapid decomposition, sanguine grounds,). Also nobody will run with blooddrinker or consumption it still very very weak and sacrifise cheat death its not worth it
Blood tap has value
@@bricegardner7815 No it doesnt :D Nobody at high end content playing with that maybe it was valuable in BFA cant remember
You're so mad edga but have 0 clue what you're talking about
@@oldperson9508 tell me where on DF you use blood tap ? I maining BDK since S1 doing mythic raids and m+. I really wanna know where im wrong
Ima so play a Eathern Dwarf Blood Dk named Grasputin with that dance :D
Stop taking the terrible dnd heal talent, now you can get tightening grasp 😂
Nerfs suck
We don’t want the vdh fotm tanks. If you haven’t been riding with blood, stay away when it gets good
Nerf blood
This rework is a start, but it is nowhere near making blood viable for m+ yet
wth are u talking about my boy?
@@DanielTorres-lb6hs I'm sorry if English is not your first language (or you're just slow).
The changes they have made are a start at making Blood viable for M+, but are nowhere near close to being done in order for the spec to be able to compete with the better tanks specs.
Hopefully you can read that.
Blood is perfectly viable for M+ friend, has always been viable :)
@@MarcelianOnline Sure, for low levels, same as anyone else. If you're only focused on completing your vault, its fine.
For higher end, it explodes. It is on par with Prot Warriors in DF and only above Brewmasters. VDH >>>> Prot Pally >> Bear >>> Prot War == Blood > Brew
Which, I know you know.
@DanielTorres-lb6hs bah ignore that Zachary dude he caps at keystone 15-19s during end game and thinks he's in the group of high tier pve'rs 🙄