@@respectthefish4992 This hits home even more when you realize innocent people who were wrongly accused of crimes they didn't commit were also put on deathrow.
Some think Luigi is a coward for ending the life of an “unarmed, defenseless man with his back turned” while ignoring the fact The CEO indirectly killed many faceless, defenseless, people with their backs to the wall.
I’ve noticed a lot of people on TikTok are praising Luigi Mangione mostly for his looks, and while that’s understandable, I feel like it’s overshadowing the real purpose behind what he did. He was trying to open people’s eyes to the problems in the healthcare system and inspire action. It’s important we don’t lose sight of that message because the issues he highlighted really need attention. I’m glad he spoke out, and I hope more people focus on the change he’s advocating for. Not some stupid tik tok edits.
I think a lot of the TikTok’s editing his looks is kinda satirical, it’s their weird way of making fun of the NYPD and other parts of the government. Especially when you see how bad the police and FBI want us to hate this man, TikTok turns around and says “he still looks hot with piss in his pants”. There are actually many others on TikTok who’ve looked into the symbolisms and messages of his crime. From the Monopoly money, to the carving on the bullets, to his manifesto. The platform just limits them a bit more than TH-cam where you can make a 2 hour video commentary. Their message is still there though; the lower class has gotten tired of the treatment. (I still really like your take though! I just think TikTok has a different way of taking part in spreading his message!) :)
Thank you for sharing your perspective. I now have a better understanding of the situation from TikTok’s side as well. That being said, I don’t think the NYPD is particularly concerned with the TikTok edits of Luigi Mangione. It seems more like a trend that, in a few weeks, people will likely move on from, just like they did with the Menendez brothers’ case. I don’t have anything against anyone, but it’s unfortunate that many, especially younger people, may not take the time to understand the seriousness of the situation. :(
I don't use TikTok but his profile including his good looks, is significant: he's good looking, wealthy, white, well educated, and as far as we know straight, no history of drug use or mental illness. He's the worst nightmare for the wealthy class, bc they can't direct the public's anger to any minoritized group. He not only is a reflection of them, he looks like the best of the best among them.
@@dllfaece as a teenager I’d disagree with you. People who are saying he’s hot or wtv ARE aware of what’s going on and that’s why they’re saying it. It’s saying “yeah he killed the CEO but no one cares about the CEO because he doesn’t care about us. We love this guy, plus he’s hot” I’m seeing more than enough people go into depth about the whole thing and I don’t think everyone needs to because they’re already spreading support for him albeit in a different way.
i don't feel bad for him. "he was a FATHER and a HUSBAND !!!" how many fathers and husbands do you think were killed to stuff his pockets a little bit more
Don't worry people just think you're insane for pointing that out apparently. I do have sympathy for their loved ones, and I don't agree he should've been shot. But people really seem to prefer to defend our broken system than to acknowledge the issues leading to such a strong resentment.
@@SomeoneIusedtoknow-s1f I don't even feel bad for his kid and wife, they're set for life, and we've all seen what happened to privileged pampered kids who are raised treating other people's lives as worthless. We end up with affluenza kid syndome.
As someone that does not live/has never lived in USA, the healthcare system it’s so confusing and weird. I’m a doctor and it blows my mind that I would have to ask “permission” to an insurance to be able to do tests, treatments, basically ask “can I do my job?” To someone that has zero medical knowledge
They have doctors to deny claims, unfortunately it is doctors who never met the patient in their life and know nothing about the situation besides what fits neatly in an insurance claim form. (Diagnosis and treatment, that’s it.)
As a healthcare worker. No doctor or hospital denies claims. It's literally the insurance company. As a resolution specialist It's my job to fight private insurance, medicad, medicare to the end. I've sat on the phone for hours to just give people one more day of treatment. We need universal Healthcare like the rest of the world!
All the people defending this CEO seem to forget that he would reject their pleas for help in a heartbeat if it meant getting a bit more cash in his bank account.
@@tonicteenah those people have been wronged and thus cant help but not feel sympathy ! nothing wrong with that specially when out to-president and vice presidents are currently praising a murderer (penny)
In fact, he's not a decision maker on insurance claims, so no, he wouldn't. And Luigi, who had trust-fund access, his grandparents made millions on the odd combination of nursing homes & country clubs & resorts. Kind of a Pharma Bro - Trump mix of a family. So more of a 1%er violence on violence situation. Except one of them was an unarmed dad shot in the back.
Correct. But it's not because his one deed is something that resonates with you that he's some kind of genius or guru. In fact he has the IQ of a broken glass of beer and has no reading on politics or economics, like it's proven by his "views" on how to solve the fertility rate in Japan. He was just suffering and wanted the ones making him suffer to pay for that. He's not a leader. He's but what should be another soldier. Not even the best one. Let's not fall for the Halo Effect.
@JohnnyLynnLee his understanding on that topic and probably several others is flawed and naive, yes, and I'm not saying he's a genius either, but saying he's got the "IQ of a broken glass of beer" when he was valedictorian at his ivy league college, has completed a degree in engineering and has the means and understanding to 3d print a functional gun.. that is a bit of a stretch.
What Luigi did shows how even small changes can disrupt the comfort of those in power. The real challenge, though, is keeping that momentum going, because without constant pressure, the system will go back to serving the elite.
Sadly, no one is taking the streets on this healthcare matter! Yet, disrupt the streets for everything else. Not sure people will be heard just typing about their feelings and stories behind a computer.
Independent media has reported about this for years and they will continue, give them your views to them not the corrupt media that hides these issues.
@@enidmrtnz5315 So typing behind the compute is the modern day equivalent of gathering around the well to spread the news with your fellow residents. This absolutely DOES help bolster things and start the pressure into civil unrest. While it's "just" talking now, "just talking" will eventually lead to "I've also had enough of this" and people rallying against the problem. The real question is: will the government try to prevent the civil unrest from magnifying by stomping down on the healthcare giants or will they fumble this situation and allow the civil unrest to ramp up. If you're wondering how well "just talking online" does for citizens fighting things: check out the recent upsets in the gaming community (how gamers utterly destroyed Concord, how Steam is finally setting boundaries on companies to prevent more Early Access pocket leeches, etc.). All sorts of sudden changes are happening across the gaming industry in small waves BECAUSE people have been complaining loud enough and long enough online to convince each other to start voting with their wallets (stop buying products for the companies fucking up). The difference there is: gaming is a luxury item which you can go without while Healthcare is a 'luxury' item that you really do need. Its much easier to refuse to pay for games to punish that industry than it is to go without the insurance you need to live.
Luigi rattled their cage. He did something that no one dared to do and would rather conform to the society by begging from the oligarchs while paying them what’s due for me to pay. And, when the time comes that I will take the service that I’ve been paying comes, I’m at their mercy. #Luigi #hero They (media) will keep on dividing us through fake news or brain washing because on this issue, we the people became untied through Luigi’s actions. And if the people are united, that’s a danger to the govt & oligarchs. Hold the line. Luigi represented every Americans that suffered and suffering because of the greed of the govt & establishment.
In 2020 my dad went to the ER with head pain. Without a scan or proper checkup they sent him home with ibuprofen . Next morning he had a stroke, I’m forever traumatized from the 911 call I made at 15. Finally he was rushed to the ER (in an ambulance), a couple hours later he came home sensitive to all light, refused to eat, in chronic pain. They told him he was having stress induced migraines. Again, another ambulance, another traumatizing call. He would be brain dead 3 days later and by the 5th he would pass at 48 yrs old from a brain aneurysm (bleeding in the brain).. only to be told that if it was caught days earlier he would’ve lived. He was insured
The books he read. You guys do realize that sometimes, people read books not becase they like it, but because they're curious? Reading Elon Musk's biography doesn't mean he likes Elon Musk, he could just be curious as to what his life could be. I literally read books about different religions, cultures, etc because I'm curious. It doesn't necessarily contradict my character. How is this hard to figure out "Oh no you read this book about Nazis but you're also reading books about Jews, that's so contradicting." Wtf
Why does Everyone think HE was the. Mastermind? He works for others....the real problem here are the shareholders. They want their cut. He wasn't the problem. The shareholders are.
so stupid fr also i really liked the idea that all of NYC would wear the same outfit, he'll, even all of USA that'll be fun but on a serious note: i always wanted to move to USA, but damn...european healthcare is want me alive at least 🤔
Well.....tbh, Hitler was a husband, Stallin was a father and a husband, BTK had a whole family, the golden state killer had grandkids. The point is, this 26 y/o kid had more forethought than the unibomber, okc bomber, and Rudolph combined. There was one person responsible for the policy changes and that person alone was his target. He had no real hope of getting away. And he sacrificed his life for change. And it worked. Pretty profound for a 26 year old kid.
To be fair, Stalin cared more about the USSR than his family. He sent his son to the front lines of WWII because he treated him the same as every other young man. When he was captured by the Germans, the Germans tried to trade him, as like a mid ranked dude, for some like giga general the Soviets had captured. Stalin laughed and said no.
When you started going over his back pain, brain fog, and cognitive symptoms of chronic pain, I started bawling. I just turned 33, just beat stage 3 breast cancer, which I now have to take estrogen blockers for which makes bone and joint pain worse, I am in the same boat. 2 days ago I communicated with my pain specialist about wanting ablation, she said I’m too young. But I don’t want anymore pills, after almost 20 years on pain pills, they do nothing for me. I just beat cancer and I can’t even live the life I want because of pain, I can’t focus, I feel like I can’t even talk sometimes, I had to leave my career, and my new wonderful job at the cancer center is affected. No one understands unless they’ve been there. I feel seen by Luigi, and you. Thank you for your in depth attention to this mental distorting pain. 💕YouSteph💕
My child was denied an inhaler from United because they said it wasn’t “medically necessary”… He has asthma. I had to pay for it out of pocket. They also denied to pay for coverage when I took him to the ER. So 🤷🏽♀️
The whole “not medically necessary” thing from ins companies in regard to medications prescribed by doctors is UNHINGED to me! I’m disabled due to 2 chronic illnesses and a degenerative disorder of the spine and the number of times I’ve heard over the last 25 years that something wouldn’t be covered because it was “not medically necessary” is actually insane! I’m eternally grateful for my doctor of 22 years who’s always fought for me with my insurance company (which happens to be United. Go figure?) Without him in my corner, standing up and demanding I get the care and medications I need, I’d be so lost?
I'm not an expert on American healthcare system, and I don't condone violence, but it seems to me that with predatory system like America has, where insurance companies can deny people health coverage to people who have worked their whole lives while rich CEO's make ten million dollar a year, incidents like this are bound to happen. There is only so much bullying average, working class people will take before they snap. Healthcare should not be exploited for profit.
There has been much talk, discussions, and many protests.. over the years regarding the dire situation with US healthcare and nothing has gotten done. Sometimes actions speak louder than words, sometimes the ONLY way things change is with some force.
Yup. Being high up in companies are stressful, but rarely life threatening and typically no more stressful than everyone else's jobs. You can make enough as a CEO oftentimes that if you invested a few million many people could get enough back from investing to live an average or better middle-class or high middleclass lifestyle. Meanwhile, most middle-class have to work 40+ hours a week, in jobs that take a massive toll, sometimes extremely dangerous jobs that pay poorly and have crap healthcare, and the CEO makes his/her money off the backs of everyone under them that can often struggle just to afford basic living expenses and healthcare. Our system also rarely allows CEOs to come about from nothing. You're not likely in America to go from a beef pusher to a CEO, you typically have to have a great start in life to actually get high up to begin with. It irritates me that people don't see how bad it is to funnel the majority of American money into the CEOs and top members of companies while the bottom rungs suffer.
I heard a lot of stories about many people in America afraid to go to the hospital for just simple badic treatments because they are afraid of how much it may cost. I live on the other side of the world, a third world country where people like me could only dream about earning average income in the US but can easily have access to basic medical assistance/treatment for almost free makes me feel so relieved that I was born here. I cant imagine having to stress about these things being a single parent.
This was so well done. I was super emotional when you detailed his back pain and his interests. The personal horror stories from patients seriously contrasts the narrative the media is trying to paint. It’s so grossly hypocritical. Strange times we’re living in.
Interesting indeed. I've never seen so much cohesion amongst the people on any topic and the complete disconnect from the media. The harder try to villainize my boy the easier it is to see through the bs.
i'm not an American but i've been crying for a week reading the comments of health insurance victims. you beautiful people don't deserve this. i had no idea it was this bad. god bless luigi.
Same. I’ve heard they been complaining about the health care in America, but had no idea it was that bad. In my country we have free health care, but if you want you can pay for private doctors in private hospitals, and its absolutely affordable for majority of population. I feel so sad and mad for people, healthcare is a basic need. This is inhumane..
I wished people in the USA would wake up, this was their call, this man started a movement that needs a little push. This is affecting even the rich people like Luigi, what else do citizens need??? This situation is very, very sad for everyone.
It is sooooooo much worse than just the insurance side. I was an EMT and surgical tech before becoming disabled. Consider trickle down economics. If the insurance company controls how much the hospital receives, it's the hospital CEOs that control cost saving policies that your nurses, techs, and caregivers have to execute and how much money they recieve after taking their cut and paying the doctors and investors. We have physician owned hospitals that sound good in concept but what happens is groups of doctors will get together to open their own hospital. Think about how wrong things can go when your doctor is the arbiter, salesmen, CEO, and shareholder. Your nurses and techs are the ones punished if they provide you more care than your insurance will pay back. It's the lowest people on the totem pole that have to carry out these policies. And we are also FORCED to use whichever insurance provider the hospital decides. So after being overworked, pressured to rush surgeries, and under insured, we wind up broke and disabled. I was fired while recovering from my 11th surgery which was ironic cuz I worked in the OR that did my surgery. My surgical team were my coworkers. I've been without health insurance ever since. Been 6 years and my condition will kill me within 10 with treatment - much sooner without. I still need extensive surgery but I can't even afford the $250 doctor appointment or the $20,000 blood work. And that's just the initial exam 😂 💀 I stopped tracking my medical debt after the first two times I was sued for unpaid medical bills. Still above 50k. The craziest part is the hospitals sell your debt to collectors. So they get a portion of your debt paid by the buyer and write the rest off as a loss or charity to get the tax cuts. Meanwhile, your debt gets sold from one company to a next while you get harassed and sued. So multiple businesses profit off your medical debt while you are held liable.
What’s horrible too is that they charged him with terrorism because it’s the only form of legality they can do so he doesn’t get parol. Meanwhile literally 2 days ago there was a school shooting in the same state & that person who killed children wasn’t labeled as a “terrorist” but instead “one with mental health issues”. America will always label those who know the truth as terrorist but when it comes to a school shooter/shooter towards pocs they would give them the mental health card. Kyle rittenhouse is a perfect example. As an American who’s seeing this all unfold since I was a kid. It’s scary cause ik the government doesn’t support us & would rather see us die to protect their buck.💔 (sorry for the trauma dump😭😭).
"What in the world could you have done to deserve this?" Denied millions of people needed healthcare and left them to die. I feel no sympathy for him or his family.
@@orie1504 he 10000% didn’t care at all but you don’t know about the family. Yea they benefited from it A LOT but you don’t know how they feel since they have zero control over it
Stephanie, you are gold for covering this so frankly and without glossing over the general opinions of the broader public. You put together a super well organized overview and managed to still be serious, playful and professional all at once.
My mom has United. When she had a heart attack in February they denied all of her claims and tried to stick her with the bill. Once she got them to pay that, they tried to deny all of her claims for cardio rehab AFTER pre-approving it. She would've been left hundreds of thousands in debt. These companies have killed millions. I'm glad we are having this conversation now.
Yes, we're having a conversation, but nothing will change. The people who won in November 2024 are in favor of deregulation. They want companies, including insurance companies, to do whatever they want. The voters spoke in favor of that, and they're a bit quiet right about now, but come January, they'll get more of what they voted for.
the fact that the police decided to post that photo of Luigi where he peed himself is just disgusting of them, trying to humiliate someone and dehumanise them in that way knowing he has a back condition that makes it hard for him to hold it in.... all I have to say is that this whole world, the system is so broken. add to the fact that he was recently also charged with terrorism charges????? for killing one man absolutely wild
I'm a Pharma translator so I'm in between the citizen and the health plan and I see so many cases every day where it's like "sorry your doctor wasn't available when you were in labor but because a doctor outside of our plan delivered your baby, you actually owe 30,000 dollars. Anyway congrats on the baby!" I swear America is not a real place
@isnugglebugs You just have insurance and go to any in network hospital. That or be on welfare. The poor inner city Americans seem to have no issues affording half a dozen pregnancies. Who is paying all their healthcare bills? Just do what they do.
This was sort of my story. My birth center labor failed with both kids. So on top of out of pocket costs for midwives TWICE I had to pay thousands for hospital births I _never_ wanted. Plus my insurance never wanted to cover midwifery care since they don’t see it as real care
I worked in healthcare for 6 years. I AUTOMATICALLY SENT ALL DOCUMENTATION. Including Imaging, Dr. notes, ER Visits, and UHC denied 90% of the time. Threats of calling the news were the only thing that got procedures Authorized.
As someone who woke up mid surgery, you are absolutely right. You feel everything, hear everything, and your mind screams one thing as you desperately try to gain control of your body. In my case, I couldn’t speak through my whimpering so my sole focus was hitting the doctor, stopping the pain as he cut my flesh, with my free hand. They discussed whether or not I was awake while I cried, whimpered and unsuccessfully flung my arm until it got onto my lap. Halfway to the doctor. Only then did they correct their mistake and put me under. I still have nightmares about it. What makes it worse, I have a long history of immunity to anesthesia. We talked about it at our initial consult, check in, and the day of. Due to my stress over it, they prescribed me an anti anxiety drug pre surgery. But they didn’t take my history seriously, and my worst fear came to fruition, and I’m haunted by it. To this day, I haven’t stepped foot into another doctors office. I hate them, I hate it. When I was the news about blue anthem, it freaked me out. I know it’s a little different than my situation, but to limit coverage of anesthesia is evil. Fuck our healthcare system. It’s so dystopian.
as someone who's dealing with the same back problems as luigi, lemme tell y'all. it hurts so much to the point where you feel like you'll pass out. I had my thesis last year, and just suddenly I felt like someone was constantly tazing me for 3 days. I couldn't think. and since my back started hurting, I never had a normal day. I can't concentrate anymore, I'm starting to forget things I once learned by heart. I can't even sit without feeling like my back is being tazed. I'm not saying whatever he did was right, but one of the reasons might be that he couldn/t take it anymore, when you go from being the smartest, to feeling like the dumbest, and no one is trying to help.
@@karentucker2161I too have insurance, ironically the same insurance the guy who was shot owned 😮 guess who hasn't been able to work or anything for the last 4 years due to insurance not giving a flying fuck? Me. Sometimes meds don't work 🎉
I have EDS, neuropathy, chronic pain, etc. I cannot comprehend what going even one minute without pain would be like the same way healthy people cannot truly understand what pain does to the psyche. I once had a psychiatrist tell me my disassociation techniques in processing the pain was unhealthy. I thought I was coping pretty well! 😂 3 years later I'm in a wheelchair getting 5150d for trying to grant myself some mercy
1:52:00 Lets talk about the mother who talked to a healthcare worker deny care for her child and said in a rage “deny, defend, depose” and is now facing FIFTEEN YEARS in prison. What happened to freedom to speech? Do they really think a mother was seriously threatening terrorism. No, they are making “examples” of normal people. It will always be the top 1% winning. Edits and clarifications: Her name is Briana Boston from Florida. And her direct quote was: "Delay, deny, depose. You people are next". I am not arguing what she said was right, but 15 years in prison is absolutely ridiculous.
unfortunately (and idek if i fully agree with this) BUT on a phone call reps unfortunately have to take you at your word. i’m not saying they’re right, im just warning anyone else to just please, don’t even say anything that could be taken that way.
@@brianacampbell9780I’ve had a stalker and threats over the phone weren’t enough for the police to do anything for me. In order for them to ever be arrested they had to step foot on my property or show physical intent to harm me. Do you know how many threats of actual terrorism are sent to schools across the country that do not lead to arrests? This is absolutely being done as an example to the plebs.
As a patient who has cancer and an auto-immune disease, I can attest that the healthcare system doesn't really care about our health as much as what's in our bank accounts. It's a dystopian world we live in. 😢
It sounds like Luigi did the math, saw his future and figured if he was going to live in pain for the rest of his life. He decided to do one big thing to give his life meaning. Either this or his illness and pain caused a change in thinking. One way or another, he did something much, much bigger than commit murder. Another murder happened the same day just down the road from this one and nobody had anything to say about it except a whole lot of victim blaming.
@@B1-997I don’t believe he had United insurance . He had a different insurance. I think he had a different motive maybe that he was a scapegoat. for someone. CEO was to testify on inside stock trading with the doj. His insurance was covered for his back surgery… but this maybe misinformation. The truth always comes out we have to wait & see.
That makes no sense. Luigi is a rich man with rich parents. People are praising him for this but the reality is that he lost his mind. He destroyed his whole future for nothing and for what? To get letters in prison from women with hybristophilia?dude changed nothing. He caused no revolution whatsoever. All he did was cause controversy that will soon die. It was pointless, and his manifesto was nonsensical.
The. Prisoners yelling out the window for Luigi brings me to tears. The mistreatment they themselves suffer but holler for another renews my faith in humanity..God is good!
You realize they were mocking him right? IF you watch or hear the WHOLE thing they were yelling to free him because "He has no T.V. in his cell, the food is crap!" So on and so forth. I have friend that's a C.O. at the same prision and he tells me they mock The F*CK out of him and he doesn't even realize it.
@@tovelokiwifeodindottir9936 No I wasn’t aware they mocking him. I thought because shined a light on the overall mistreatment they suffered they hollered for his release, I believe that most men are good who make dumb decisions, of course there are truly evil ppl but I don’t believe the majority of prisoners are bad to the core just really misguided or made decisions when young they would never make as adults. I could be wrong but I hope I’m not.
I just wanted to say thank you Stephanie for highlighting victims of the healthcare industries stories instead of honing on conspiracy theories. This is what the media is trying to ignore. Actual people’s stories and testimonies is what we need to focus on.
The note about medical industry responding more urgently when it impacts your work is so true. Every check I’ve had for mental health, adhd, anxiety, ocd etc focuses on my work life more than what’s left of me for my home life.
*Yes, he was a husband and a father, but all the LOVED ones that were denied/delayed and as a result took a turn for the worse were husbands, wives, mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, grandmas, grandpas, uncles, aunts, etc. Greed and messed up policies for profit have consequences.*
@Maddelinegolding12567I belive so but you know how this damn country is. “Immigrants and the poor are horrible and the reason thing s are bad!!!!” Also same people “ Oh No business productivity is tanking for companies because people need time off or got sick! Who daddy ceo or billionaire owner of what’s it who da made 100 mil less this year than last!” 🤦🏻♀️
@@jennydelgado8517Exactly they are using the immigrants as a distraction and a lame excuse as to why this country is horrible at times. No it has always been ran by shitty racist who are in it for the money. The immigrants should be the least of our worries atp, when our own people/government is picking and choosing who deserves to live like the f*cking hunger games minus the arena.
Only its not greed. Have you looked at how narrow thin their margins actually are. People think they are out here making bank its less than 2-3% margin that is NOTHING in business terms.
As a non American when I first heard you guys tell bystanders not to call an ambulance even in emergency cases was baffling to me. So I completely understand Luigi. Man is the first stepping stone for a long overdue revolution
My parents lived 6 blocks from the er. I am still angry about the 30k ambulance bill. The last few years of their lives, they'd just call me. I lived 10 minutes away in the opposite direction of the hospital but it wasn't still around 10 minutes between them picking up the phone and them physically entering the emergency room. My mom was in the hospital frequently,and I got a few speeding tickets. But at around $100 each, it wasn't even close.
@@gypsydonovan whattttttt? I've slept in the hospital for a whole week and it didn't even cost me a dollar in my country. This is crazyyyyyy. Are they doing surgery in there?🙄
Yup, that's why they charged Brianna with terrorism when she said, "deny, defend, depose" to her insurance company. Another man, Nathan Mahoney, also recently stabbed the president of his company & it's not making waves on the news
@@Lapislazuli_36 They are trying to use Brianna as an example to basically tell the public to shut the hell up and not express ANY frustration with insurance companies. To take the injustice and sit down somewhere and accept pain, not getting help, dî3 in silence depending on the severity of a person's condition. She is a 42 year old mother who doesn't even own any firearms. They are acting like we don't see what they are doing by trying to scare the public bc if you get pissed in any way, they may ruin your life with a possible 14 year sentence on top of it. America loves to brag about the 1st and especially 2nd amendment, but oh no when this woman expresses her frustration and doesn't even own a g-n.
I am still a new nurse and working in a surgical floor I am exposed to a lot of these people getting back/spine surgeries, etc. As much as it can be overwhelming when you have 4 patients asking for narcotics back to back, it shows how debilitating chronic nerve pain and neuropathy is. It’s not just affecting people physically, but also mentally. From just having physical symptoms, it branches to psych and other aspects of health. Just like Steph mentioned, pulling your hair out, scratching your skin until it bleeds, behavioral issues such as agitation. Spine surgeries are tough. It’s either you feel better right away or you are worse and have a longer way to go in recovery, or you get multiple surgeries just to feel better. Some even need to stay in an inpatient rehab and have long term PT/OT needs. I hope this event changes healthcare for the better. Not having access to essential care and services when you are paying for it is torture.
I think we should also address that it’s sickening that it’s even possible for one person’s medications to cost $2,000,000 per year. The mark ups are ridiculous. And that is not even talking about a single dose of generic Tylenol costing $84 in a hospital.
Its insane. When I had my child, I looked at the invoice from the insurance. As I'm looking, I was charged over $1k for skin to skin! Them simply placing my child on me or near me was a freaking charge. That's when I knew the system was messed up pretty bad.
My bald father was charged $44 for a comb and $38 for a tiny bottle of shampoo while in the hospital. He had an inhaler that cost 60 bucks but then for no valid reason it shot up to $450 and neither of his insurances would cover it. So he started ordering it from Canada for $80 and then wonderful, by definition fascist government stepped in and put an end to that shit.
I spoke with him on reddit. He was in the visual snow sub and he (along with a few others) is the reason i found out I have Ehlers danlos syndrome because they told me to look into possible relations to other conditions. He is the reason i now know why one day i woke up partially blind and seeirng dpots everywhere. He did what what doctors didnt and helped me to get the treatment i needed to manage my symptoms. Its absolutely insane and i dont even believe it myself. I dont condone murder but i stand with luigi.
@@Iceberry_33she probably recognized the same username that’s going viral right now and realized that it was him who helped her out. I stand with Luigi too.
Oh, neat someone else with vs, I hate it too, so many professionals I've seen about it, and they think I'm making it up. Bro, I can't see you at night. If you were 2 feet away from me, I'd be able to smell you before I could see you if there's not good lighting.
Also, my mother is a family doctor. She was the only family doctor for around 40 miles in the rural farm town where i went to high school. She took care of everyone, delivered them on day one and cared for them until they had their own children - who she also delivered. She provided all the sports physicals and worked all the football and basketball games, answered her phone 24/7 and loved every one of her patients. Until United Health bought the closest hospital, and then systematically forced almost every private practitioner into selling their practices to UHC, and then closed most of them down. My mother was one of them. Now the people who live there have almost no access to healthcare....its very sad.
That IS very sad. In a country that supposedly has representation for the citizens it’s clear that our political system has no advocacy for individuals. Very sad what they did to your mom.
Thank you Stefanie and team for including the stories of those affected by the corporate greed of an insurance company. The biggest scam in America besides all of the organizations responsible for our food that should nourish and heal and instead is a contributing factor to disease and sickness.
I went to the ER last year in the worst pain of my life. In about 15 minutes they discovered my gallbladder had basically ruptured inside me and if they didn't get it out ASAP I would die. So, the ER doctor done what he had to do and got me to surgery. I ended up in the hospital for 4 days and it was about a 2 month recovery. About 2 weeks after getting home I get a letter from united health care explaining that they had denied the ER's doctor's request to do surgery on me and they would not be paying for any of my hospital bill. But I didn't have to pay for it because the doctor done the surgery knowing they won't pay for it. So, the doctor saved my life by not listening to a greedy insurance company and could of lost his job over it but thank God he did. The bill was a little over $60,000
I had the same health emergency. My gallbladder had ruptured in a car accident and I didn't go to the hospital for 9 days after the accident when it started to cause sepsis. I had no idea it was ruptured until I got so sick that I could hardly move. I had no insurance.... got to the e.r. around 7pm on a Wednesday had emergency surgery around 10pm, and at 5pm Thursday hospital personnel wheeled me out in a wheelchair, left me sitting outside waiting for someone to pick me up, I was still drowsy from pain medicine and they hadn't even informed me that I was being discharged until they were coming in with the wheelchair to wheel me out so my ride was still 40 minutes away! I couldn't believe the way they treated me there. I've never heard of anyone that has a life threatening infection, having emergency gallbladder surgery being admitted and released in under 24 hours!
Back pain is NO joke especially when it has the spinal cord involved. My mom shot me at 19 which paralyzed me from the waist down & the back pain I experience is excruciating. It’s definitely a physical battle, but more of a mental battle in all honesty. When it gets to be too much I lay down & try to take my mind off of it by listening to Rotten Mango!!
My boyfriend's father have multiple myeloma on the lower back. He got diagnosed and it spiraled pretty fast. He can't move. He hate to be moved. He doesn't want to drink or eat or be seated. He can't pee or poop on his own. He doesn't even make sense when he talk. When he briefly recovered, he just got a haircut and drink and drink and drink liquor. It's like he just want to end everything. Within a year of diagnosis, he died. It's scary. everything involving the back or the spine is scary. I wish you healing and the rest of your life will be of no more pain.
Stephanie never fails to have me on the edge of my seat as she expertly/meticulously takes us on a trip (OR A TOUR, IF YOU WILL) through the events of what happened behind the scenes and helps us take an even closer peek into each true crime story or works of fiction she's chosen to relay to us that day. I personally love to sink onto my sofa, lay my head back, and close my eyes to get an even CLOSER look at the story she's covering for us that day. WE LOVE ROTTEN MANGO!!!💜🤗
I can't imagine the doctor's frustration too, telling the insurance company hey my patient desperately needs this medication or device to survive and the insurance is like "oh nah they'll be fine without it" I'd throw a fit omg
People with Low income insurance gets treatment more than people paying for it because they are not hesitant to see a provider. I am too scared to go see a doctor for a long time because the costs add up. There is a co-pay above the insurance I am already paying, and then imaging, medication, and treatment. 😢
to be fair it isn’t always the insurance companies . providers and doctors are shadyyyy lately to ensure their pockets get filled as well. i see it every day :/
This just made me like him even more. Apart from seeming like a such a chill and nice dude, the fact that he is top of his class and comes from a wealthy family shows just how strong his morals are, that he would forfeit a life of wealth and use his intelligence to look out and avenge the American people that have been affected by the unjust and corrupt system that is US healthcare. Many people in that position would choose their own material wealth and use their brain to further inflict oppression on others. Instead he was the perfect person to do this and start a large conversation and hopefully, change. WE NEED SOCIAL REFORM ON ALL LEVELS.
Imagine the changes United Healthcare are already implementing to suppress further grievances. So far he is already contributing to thousands having more time with their loved ones, let alone opening up the discussion for change and restoring faith in mankind amongst general public. He won’t regret that.
Coming from a life of wealth doesn't immediately mean somebody has strong morals. Most billionaires are shitty people yet they come from rich families.
Che Geuvara was called a "terrorist" too. He was an educated, privileged guy from a prominent family, who sacrificed a life of comfort to address society's ills. He's considered a "Hero of the Cuban Revolution." Cuba these days is a nation which puts the US to shame by providing free education and free, high quality HEALTHCARE to every Cuban citizen. Hell, there's so much FREE HEALTHCARE available in Cuba, they actually export doctors all over the world, just to help humanity. Luigi Mangione = "Hero of the Revolution"
Have you...ever talked to anyone from Cuba? They're living in extremely poor conditions, if you learn spanish and talk to anyone from there you would clearly see that. Don't try to make Cuba an amazing country with amazing education and healthcare, they're living in misery under a dictatorship.
When I was a kid I thought a lot about how insurance is a waste of money/ scam. Why would you pay someone to hold your money for you, interest free, and when you need the money back they get to tell you no? I'm glad people are waking up.
I think this kind of insurance should be handled by government. For example my country (SE Asia) is no doubt corrupt, but many poor people still can get free treatment from headache to cancer surgery by using government health insurance (although the facility is almost abysmal and waiting list is quite long). Some EU countries policies are really good, sure they have big tax, but they wouldn't ever be bankrupt because of an accident or birth, and they also get free education and pension, not to mention their work life balance.
@myname8419 Those first two sentences don't make any sense and contradict each other. Why would you want your corrupt government to take responsibility over health insurance/ health care? If the government is corrupt, the service they provide will be. Just sounds like begging for another evil CEO to take responsibility, but now they will be harder to get rid of, because most governments have more power than their people.
My favorite thing is that, when Ben Shapiro posted a video praising Brian Thompson and condemning the online reaction to the whole thing, his comments were full of his own dedicated faithful tearing him a new one and actually recognizing his grift.
I wrote to Andrew Klavan, telling him he wasn't even asking the right questions, and should be ashamed of himself. He never even mentioned the claim denial rate... didn't ask if this had been done via A.I. (as is alleged) He never gave a hint that anyone was being investigated for insider trading, yikes! Left wing, right wing.... same bird.
I posted about that in another video and a woman said that all those comments were from leftists bots and that Brian Thompson had "nothing to do with the denials because he doesn't make the policies" 🙄I attempted to reply with facts and statistics but my comment kept being rejected by TH-cam's AI bot.
@@marym922”left wing, right wing…same bird” is so good. After having a federal government class this semester, I’ve really realized that party polarization is a killer of coming together. I hope America can become just a little more connected after this.
I love that you point out how much premiums really are for average Americans- more than our groceries- and we still get a giant bill for care our lives depend on. These companies want more than we have to give and are holding our lives or the lives of our loved ones hostage. What a tragedy
Hello, I am an emergency physician actively working in Turkey. I serve in a small village of 5,000 people, and as soon as a patient arrives, I begin the diagnostic and treatment process within 10 minutes. In critical situations, such as a heart attack, I can detect it and coordinate with a cardiologist to prepare for an angioplasty, including securing an operating room, all within less than an hour. Moreover, if you are employed, retired, or even working in the private sector, you don’t pay a single penny out of pocket for this care. Growing up, I always imagined the United States as the most developed country in the world. However, seeing the state of its healthcare system is deeply disappointing. Once, I dreamed of taking the USMLE and becoming a resident in the U.S., but the realities of its system, shaped by capitalism, show a harsh and heartbreaking side. I hope that one day, people around the world will understand the beauty of a socialist system. Despite the many problems in my country, knowing that I can visit a doctor anytime I feel even slightly unwell and receive the most necessary and high-quality care without any financial burden is truly a comforting thought.
These are my thoughts exactly. I grew up always hearing America being called the land of the free, but now I see people having their rights taken away, the healthcare system is completely useless and everything is shaped by capitalism. Germany isn't really doing well politically right now, there is a resurgence of populist right wing politics and the AfD (who are partially confirmed to be right extremists and/or national socialists) are gaining a huge amount of votes. If it keeps going this way I might lose my rights too. I don't know their stance on health care but I know that they don't care about human rights, and that, if they had it their way, trans people would not be able to afford gender affirming care. I have always been glad to live in a country with free health care and I am so scared that we might end up like the US. It's unrealistic, but everything is just awful right now and even with all the signs we get, the people in power are still mot doing enough to stop climate change, there's wars about shit that is not worth killing for and humans can't seem to be decent, like, ever All we can do is to keep fighting and be visible, make our voice heard and protest against those who abuse their power (This is just a long ramble sry lol)
is murder bad ? yes. was the victim an innocent man ? hell no. i pray for his children and family but i cannot feel sympathy for someone that has systematically committed murder and caused so much pain for helpless ppl. sometimes these corrupt organizations deserve a little good old fear of god to be put in them. if luigi is a murderer and terrorist so was the man that was killed , he was even worse in my opinion. getting fat on the blood of the poor and desperate makes u more of a monster to me. these ceos and government are not concerned for the murder , they're concerned cuz luigi is turning into a revolution symbol , if they truly cared they would've also considered school shooting and death of CHILDREN as act of terrorism as well.
Thank you for having the sense to not blame his family or shame them even more. I think even outside of cases like this people love to point fingers at their closest loved ones who “could’ve done something.” It’s an understandable argument, but you can only take it so far before it becomes harassment.
The media would get mad at someone who took out a certain German guy with a weird mustache from the 30s and 40s because he was "a married man" who may or may not have had a kid named Siegfried.
I do feel bad for his family; for losing a son, a brother, a husband, or a father. but I don't feel bad for their lives since they were probably already set for live with all the money and wealth earn through all those dirty business. they still able to live lavishly with the money gained from the people who denied or robbed their insurances.
This is the perfectly sane explanation and not offend the family of the CEO and agree that what Luigi did is morally wrong but also acknowledge that this CEO is not a good person and systematically caused so much pain and financial distress too many people and it’s hard to show sympathy while he didn’t show any sympathy to families begs for help and kept denying them any help for money…. Money truly can make someone a true monster
@@cintiac1830 Those CEO systematically HELP far more people than they harm. Seriously you shouldn't comment if you're so ignorant of how the system works and how LITTLE insurance companies actually make. Their margins are insanely small (2-3%) and if they granted every request they would go under in less than a day. So the balance is needed, an impossibly hard job. But someone has to do it. Either an insurance company does it where you have some control over your options and some competition or the government does it and you have no choice at all. No options to move or change your coverage ect. People need to wake up a realize life isn't perfect and there are always tradeoffs. People in these tough jobs have to make the tradeoffs and they do it according to what's best for MOST people knowing some people will get screwed. It's like in triage when there are TOO many patients they flip it they move on from those who have little change of making it why? Because trying to save that one person would take the resources, time and personal that could be used to save these 4 others also critical injured but not as badly. The choice always has to be made. SO when overwhelmed they go to a model called quality life years. In complete overwhelm situations they try and save as many quality life years as possible which means if they only can treat 1 patient on a machine and one is 74 and one is 15 they treat the 15 year old. HARSH but they have to to make a choice. They don't have two machine and insurance companies are no different they don't have more resources to give.
This is beautifully put together! Thank you! Luigi sacrificed himself. I think his various illnesses are incurable so he wanted to bring attention to our healthcare system. I really hope his sacrifices will be remembered and bring about real changes.
Exactly how we would expect: it doesn't matter who's right and what's fair--- it depends on who is more willing to shovel money into PR and Lobbying firms, financially "persuade" people in power and who those in power better relate to.
It will play out like every other case in the justice system. The people with money will make an example of him. I'm curious to see how people react after he's sentenced. Will we have more vigilantes in the coming years? I honestly hope so.
I don't think it'll matter who has more money. Some people are saying Luigi's family probably has more money than the slain CEO. But power games will be played. Anyone can guess between Individual vs Corporate who wins. The corporate industry has the government's backing. They cannot, and will not allow Luigi to win the case because the entire capitalistic structure of the country will be at the risk of crumbling.
Luigi brother was denied help from that same health department. His brother isn’t the first or only person who has went through this in America. The greedy health care system has affected many peoples lives and it’s so sad that these companies care more about profit than lives.
We get charged for admin and thats the price of a loaf of bread . Where im from government hospitals are mandated to give you free health care as a citizen but if there are fees , they usually arent enough to leave you in debt. Well yes we have very high tax rates but we know where its going ..well most of the time.@@Janellabelle
Im from Germany and it’s so wild to me, that your health care system is so wild. I recently went to the ER because I banged my pinky toe on the door frame, resulting in a dislocated pinky and a snapped band, got pain meds, a notice for work AND a walking aid - all for free. It’s absolutely wild to me, that people with serious injuries/issues are being told, that it’s not an emergency and they should pay out of pocket
im canadian but i support luigi mangione. its actually insane how prominent this whole situation has become in just 2 weeks- the entire world must know about it by now. i hope the insurance companies and their CEOs take note of this; how tired the people are, and how so many of them even condone this violent behaviour. that shows how bad things are and that something needs to change in america’s healthcare system
@@isabele4365 You mean idiots who don't bother to educate themselves on the issues and just go with their feelings. DO you know what MARGINS health insurance companies have? Have you compared them to other businesses? NO. I can tell not. They are insanely THIN. In fact if you were running a store with such low margins you would just close it. No seriously its around 2-3% now for perspective furniture has margins around 30-50%. If they actually did what people here want the system would collapse in under a day and no one would get any help. So the charge of greed is frankly insane. If you were out to set up a business to make money you don't go into medical insurance, the returns are insanely small. Also you know more testing and treatment isnt always the best. Doctors often over do treatments to make money, so the insurance companies have to factor that in.
Thank you Stephanie. I work as a pharmacy technician, and it is true that most insurances will almost always deny medications for patients saying it’s not medically necessary even when the doctor has deemed it as such. It truly makes me feel awful seeing this happen. Thank you for sharing this information with your audience. ❤️
My insurance initially denied my HEART FAILURE meds and I'm SO lucky I have a cardiologist who went to bat for me against the insurance. I know so rarely are others as lucky. The fact that he even had to do that is so wrong. I used to work in pharmacy as well and it would break my heart every time I had to be the bearer of bad news that something was denied or needed a PA.
My insurance literally told my doctor they would rather "see me fail on the cheaper meds before they paid for the one that will most likely work." By the time I was finally approved for the medication my doctor initially prescribed, after trying "the cheaper ones,"my condition was so much worse.
“A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy.” I can’t help thinking about this. People don’t deserve healthcare system like this. God bless Luigi
One of my old roommates worked for an insurance company and said it was the most soul taxing job she ever had and didn’t stay there long, the phone call that made her quit was her having to deny an elder lady coverage for a pill she had to take that was $3400 and the lady lived on disability.
And they still won’t have healthcare insurance 😭😭 If anything they’ll probably lose money due to having to stand as a witness and not having enough vacation days at McDonalds😂 they went from broke to even more broke
The fact that she got fired is the craziest part, like not gonna get the cash? Fucked up but fine she’s no worse off, but fired? Haha ya brown nose gon get ya in the unemploy line hahahahaha
Yknow I really like how Rotten Mango switches out the organization they support each episode to make it more personalized for whats going on/talked about in the episode
It’s not hard to see why a lot of ppl don’t care. Thousands died and suffered under his company while he was sitting there getting richer and not giving af..maybe this is a wake up call for American healthcare ??
The most fascinating part to me is that Luigi leans conservatively and this can't be pinned as an "insane act of the left" Everyone is SO done with the American "Healthcare" System and this has ironically brought us together as a country.
Right not so long ago we were fighting about politics just to be brought together by health companies. We have different opinions but they also bring us together it’s fascinating tbh. Left, right or independent were all being devoured by the same things. Tbh this may get worse as more people are fed up with been oppressed by the rich
Some right wing are turning on him for complaining about prison conditions. (This is why we shouldn’t focus on the person but the situation. Not everyone is going to agree with every single thing someone else believes.)
@@ness7342 yeah it's interesting. I've never seen a right winger so passionately anti-capitalist he'd be willing to take this level of political action.
it took 76 days for me to get my arthritis medicine approved. they would accept then cancel it immediately. i’m a teenager and was unable to walk due to arthritis, but i still didn’t need it apparently 😐
@@shinicejones1817 i eventually got it! and with the meds and physical therapy i’m now able to walk, but need a cane. but now that arthritis is a bit better i got kidney disease 😂
The healthcare system really doesn't like to help younger people because they figure "you're young, you'll be fine/shouldn't need the assistance," and it's disgusting. I understand and I hope things get easier for you.
i lost my mom a month ago because of shitty healthcare. she had molina health and was suffering from “stroke like” symptoms for a month. we took her to an emergency room and had multiple scans done on her, only to be told wait the insurance wants to take you elsewhere. took us to a shitty small hospital where my mom shared a 4 person room. the doctors took DAYS to figure out that she had a stroke.. but then a few more days to turn to wait she looks like she has brain cancer. let’s take her to a nursing home!! the insurance let go of my mom to take her to a shitty nursing home for a couple days. my mom clearly was dying so we got her the fuck outta there and took her to a large hospital emergency room. they said “we do not take your insurance!!” basically refusing to see my mom who hadn’t ate in 4 days and could no longer walk. my dad said fuck your insurances you are a HOSPITAL you take care of people not insurances. they ended up having my mom for almost a week in the icu and she passed away. we have to pay out of pocket. i can’t help but feel if the insurance just took my moms medical history of having breast cancer seriously they should have taken her to a larger, good hospital than a shitty one and a nursing home. it’s fucking gross. i do not care for no ceo. i don’t trust no insurance. i don’t trust the healthcare system. i rather just die than make my family and friends go through what i did trying to help my mom. edit: i’m so thankful for all your guys well wishes. i am 19 and this whole thing has truly impacted me. my mom was 45. school and work have been crashing down on me. someone mentioned a patreon, i don’t have one, but i did create a gofundme to help me and my sister pay for funeral expenses. i reached the goal i set but i am thankful for any support. thank you all and get your checkups if you can. gofund.me/cbaa937b
Im sending my deepest regards. It’s stupid that you need to pay up more to go to a “good” hospital. All hospitals should be good. Im so sorry again. While I didn’t have insurance related issues, I have experienced shitty hospitals. My grandmother was left unattended (she was not allowed to walk unsupervised in her hospital room) and what do you know? Nurses didn’t give a shit and left her by herself. She hit her head (she was a frail woman but still in her 70s) and she turned brain dead soon after. I cant tell you how much I miss her. The hospital stated that they never left her by herself. Currently going through a legal case and what do you know! Our insurance wants to take a large sum of possible monetary that’s meant for us, for their own sake because it was “use of important hospital equipment”. Im talking LARGE SUM OF MONEY. My grandmother was involuntary killed because those overseeing her ignored her calls for help to use the bathroom, even water or food, medications. I just absolutely can’t with this healthcare system, for our insurance to say they’ll take a grand sum of money like they don’t already get millions through the months.
Thank you for providing such an insightful and inspiring video on what we Americans are facing daily. I appreciate all the effort and time you took to collect the facts, videos, and all the visuals along with thorough explanation of everything that has happened.
I'm not from the US but my best friend is and I won't forget how much she cried to me on our discord call because their health insurance was denied multiple times. Her mother had a severe stroke which caused some memory loss and apraxia (a neurological disorder that makes it difficult to perform learned movements or tasks, even though the person wants to do them and is able to.) She's like a sister to me so I took out a loan for her and sent her money. That didn't cover everything with how much expensive hospital bills are in the US but I won't ever let her feel that hopeless again. They are raised by their single mom so as the oldest, she acted like a second mother to her siblings. She wasn't able to finish university so she can look after them, do cooking and house chores, and to start working part time to help their mom who was working full time. It was so heart wrenching and devastating hearing her break down but thankfully she was able to pay the rest from the help of other family members, neighbours, her and her mom's coworkers and friends. Til this day, her mother still have difficulty doing tasks but she is getting better. I'm just glad that she didn't lose her mom because I know how much that would torn her apart.
That is very nice of you but I’m not sceptical of the friend, as u said she’s from another country. Cuz I’ve seen couple of friends getting scammed by someone acting like a friend n claiming they r very ill. So they use them emotionally n sometimes financially. So please be careful.
40:00 As a Welsh / British person with the NHS, this explanation really helped. I have 0 understanding of USA health care. My jaw hit the floor when you said 30%!! I know the nhs isn't perfect by any means, but i am thankful we aren't stuck with insurance providers like this without choice. I hope for Americans that this shooting causes a shift in how your medical care insurance systems operate. (I'm sorry if that's not exactly how you refer to these companies, but obviously, you know who im regering to).
@@karentucker2161the UK has better health outcomes, longer life expectancy, lower infant mortality rates, and far more accessible healthcare than the US. By every single metric they’re doing better than the US. Hope this helps ❤
Make sure you fight for keeping your NHS and even fight to make it better, cuz you know those Tories would really love to screw the commons over if they get the chance. Do not become complacent when it comes to social services. Not even with your postal service. They're coming for that next for us. We here got too comfortable not thinking that our social services could get ripped outta our hands and you see where we ended up. Don't let that happen to you.
The part that people are missing is they could approve them. Their profit margins are tiny as it is. Like 2-3% across the industry. So granting even an extra 5% the entire system would collapse.
Previewing the length of the upload I thought I'd be wasting my time, but you've recapped the events and facts in such a condensed and understandable way I feel like I gained so much insight into not only the case but also the healthcare system and those suffering. The way you tell a story is so engaging. You don't need me to say this but you're incredibly talented, you have like some sort of superpower. How are you so competent?
police officers watching him pee himself and then taking a photo of him is just disgusting. they pretend to be upholding justice but deny non-convicted people in jail the right to use a restroom? it's nauseating to imagine how that situation played out and the kind of things they would have said to him. i don't think they realize how they are making him look more sympathetic to the public
@@samiyaazadmohona4025 i think you may have misunderstood the original comment - she means she usually doesn’t really care for podcasts, but she would never say that about rotten mango/stephanie soo 🫶
When I was pregnant with my son, i was diagnosed with Hyperemiss Gravidem. This means excessive vomiting. I could not even keep water down. I lost nearly 40% of my body weight in a few months. I was so malnuroused i could barely think. I was mumbling words at times, others i couldn't even hold a conversation. I needed a pump inserted to give me nausea meds... Anthem denied me and tried to deny the pill version, too. I do not feel sad about this case.
Sorry to hear that. In September, my sister in law was still pregnant. It was predicted that she supposedly gave birth normally early September, but until 2 weeks later, nothing. We're all worried, so we moved the hospital to the private one in the city (more pricey one), the doctor suggested we do caesarean. Cause the baby was big and the doctor worried that once her water dried, it would be even more dangerous. So we did. We're worried about the cost, my brother has the national insurance for his family. And they paid almost zero...though it was in a private hospital. I'm Indonesian and I have friends who live in the USA, and my jaw dropped when she told me how much she paid for her caesarean operation. Goshhh.....
I've been dealing with the United States healthcare system since June 2023, when a car accident should have killed me, but I was able to crawl out of a broken window backwards with the right side of my body was completely useless. The car caught on fire minutes later, I was only able to crawl out due to my fitness routine and being in the gym five days a week. Between health and disability insurance companies, the entire process has been a nightmare and both have gotten in the way of doctors fully helping me. I've had 4 surgeries and 9 or so different operations during those surgical settings and could have two more surgeries (hopefully not, my last one is in October and that may be it). It's been a tough process and I'm in regular and EMDR therapy to cope and have yet been cleared to start physical therapy. I covered our system for several years, and was hoping Sanders would become POTUS to solve this crisis, but here we are still dealing with this needless horror. If we (the United States) weren't the only first world nation on the planet without Universal Healthcare, Luigi wouldn't have ever been in the position to do this. Sure, shooting a CEO who willingly abuses the system isn't the answer, but there is no reason beyond dark money in politics and voters being blinded by 'team sports' rather than popular issues that help the country as to why the US didn't create a Universal Healthcare system at least 70 years ago. Change needs to happen now, real people are suffering and many politicians have turned a blind eye.
Yes. Exactly yes. Our country built a system that vastly allows the well off to continue getting the few high up jobs in our country. And the majority of American money goes to those high up jobs. When in reality, we still have bad unhealthy and dangerous job positions that are the backbone of our country, and often the pay and insurance isn't good enough to even handle all of life's needs, plus insurance and healthcare, plus therapy, and still allow for regular leisure, family, and self care. But don't worry, countless ceos and other high ups get extremely high pay, rarely have to risk their lives and wellness and health, and often brag about their private jets, mansions, vacation retreats and more. While the heaviest lifting gets paid diddly squat in comparison.
Luigi’s act was not just an isolated incident but a wake-up call, highlighting the need for more courageous individuals to stand against the global systems of exploitation and oppression. Across the world, the powerful elite tighten their grip on resources, labor, and freedom, creating a reality where the majority suffer under their rule. True change has always required brave people willing to take risks, disrupt the status quo, and defy those who enforce injustice. Without such acts of defiance, the cycle of inequality and control will continue unchallenged, leaving humanity trapped in an endless spiral of suffering.
I read your comment, and I am deeply sorry about your ordeal but you are still here and that means there is a purpose behind it. Keep fighting like you did while crawling out of that burning car. You are a warrior!!
She did such a great job on this. The brain fog part alone is so important for social comprehension. I have several types of chronic pain and residual gastrointestinal damage from a hospital acquired infection, osteoporosis caused by nerve disease etc etc. And of course the sleep disorders and anxiety related issues that accompany chronic illness. Chronic pain and disability are not simple. They are complex and take comprehensive, far reaching, compassionate care that is tailored to the individual. And for most people illness is progressive - once it begins, it's like an avalanche. Or one of those closet collapse scenes in movies and you are at the bottom trying to function. That's all you are doing every day, your level best to stay afloat so to have bureaucrats tell you that you should experience something you don't or fit into a margin, say with people who don't also have x, y and Z conditions mucking up their immune systems and their logic. Being sick sucks more than being sick. It's beyond stressful and annoying. My "primary condition" is nicknamed the suicide disease because the pain is not manageable. Or rather, it is not managed. That is not okay. Human beings suffer unnecessarily far, far too much. ❤️❤️❤️
He's a multi-faceted man. We cannot simply describe him so plainly. I hope this sparks change in the healthcare industry. Also, it's so hard to empathize with people who put profit over empathy. I find it so appalling that some people find it hard to choose empathy when they have so much already.
This made me realize a lot of (possible) connections with my brain fog, intellectual regression, and problems in my ability to regulate my emotions in connection with my chronic pain condition. We are judged by doctors and those around us who don't understand, and each time I hear another part of Luigi's story I only identify with and feel for him more.
I was just about to comment something on this too hombre. It felt weird hearing for the first time someone was going through what I was and it happens to be a CEO killer. Just recently got it, how long have you? Even took a bunch of blood tests and doctors can't find the issue
I’ve heard “it’s all in your head” too many times to count, turns out I’m autistic, a difference in the way my brain is wired, so yeah a lot of my issues do start in my head but prescribing me to antipsychotics & antidepressants didn’t fix my fibromyalgia pain or change my autism. Antidepressants make it easier to deal with life bc they dull down everything but making the brain fog worse in the process
I’m an American living in Canada (Alberta). I’ve claimed bankruptcy due to medical debt in my younger years. Now, I pay zero, have had amazing healthcare, and have zero medical debt. My US friends constantly tell me, “yeah, but you pay higher taxes.” Yeah, but you know what? I don’t pay hundreds each month for my health insurance, no copays, and if hospitalized, I don’t leave with a dark cloud over my head knowing the high medical bills would be coming. Universal health care is a GOOD thing!!
@@staceysneed9928ya my grandma died last year bc they couldn’t “organize the team” on time for surgery after she was rushed to the hospital and had been there for a week.
I can't thank you enough for emphasizing chronic back pain and the toll it takes, or putting the health system's lack of care on display like this. You and your team discussed this situation the right way and I'm certain there are many people grateful for it. Never thought I'd be in tears relating so hard to a true crime podcast.
Well Done! Rotten Mango is the crown jewel in Stephanie Soo's media empire. Thoroughly thought provoking and so impactful. In an era when corporate media is basically not offering any *real journalism* at all. Rotten Mango is providing more than your general sound bite per usual and gives us the deep dive we need. Thanks!
@@soulsearcher7077 good point!! i’m also a good writer (not to brag) and i get what you mean, esp with professional/educational settings. i guess i was just surprised to see that style of writing here… none of us are immune to that bias i guess haha
@@capybarawarrior1 Really? That's concerning. Where a basic, standardly written comment is suspected of being Ai? It's not. I can assure you of that. I am a human who was just sharing my own thoughts. *Low key* scary. Everything is not artificial yet.
Over 5k comments!the majority are horror stories of families fighting to get decent healthcare for their loved ones while the insurance companies deny them that. 😢😢 So heartbreaking, thank you to all those that shared your stories, I cried while reading them. ❤❤❤
I agree the Healthcare system is broken. But it doesn't justify assassination. That's just sentimental rhetoric. Luigi was giving 6 million from his parents to spend on his vacation. Instead he killed someone.
@@jgarduno1543the man he killed felt no empathy for the millions of deaths he caused just to make his pockets heavier. Stop defending the people running the corporations who would deny you medical care when you were dying and still charge you money
Thank you so much stephanie! You always put the information together so well. When my father was passing away from cancer he was denied chemotherapy from his health insurance company. He had to drop his health care and go on Medicaid Here's the twist my father owned a small business of about 60 employees. My oldest brother started a health insurance company by getting my father's contract first. He's now the founder and CEO of a very successful business. When my aunt found out she made my brother, the CEO of a health insurance company call Medicaid to sign up my father and cancel his current policy. Haven't talked to my brother since. One has to wonder if my brother ever stopped to think about how many people he's killed because of shoddy coverage.
My sister is a climical psychologist. She used to work at a reduced rate hospital. The lead Dr. said that she would have to learn to word things a certain way yo get the insurance company to agree to it. One person she was treating was living in a car with their elderly father bc he couldn't hold a job bc he needed meds that the insurance company wouldnt pay for. We're less than cattle to them.
UHC is the worst company ever. I was employed by their Grievances Department and was laid off during maternity leave. They said they got rid of my position when I had helped trained the new group of employees that took over several of our positions. This was after I had to file a complaint with the state because during my pregnancy I was treated poorly by managers demanding overtime, demanding I fulfilled certain quotas when my Medical Doctor had cleared me to not work full time, or sit for longer periods of time for the health of my baby. They didn’t care and because I complained and reported them with the state they retaliated by putting me on the chopping block for lay offs. Then they intimidated me to sign my lay off or I wouldn’t get paid off. Right as I held my new born of 9 days. I had no job and if I didn’t sign I wouldn’t have no money. I devoted 9 years of my life to that company only to be treated like that.
@@The_Super_NOVA unfortunately they were. I had to switch my entire family to my spouses insurance because I was the main insurance holder for my household.
As a person born and living in Europe, these stories are simply horrifying. It's ridiculous and rage-inducing to have to go through that to get access to healthcare. It's so very sad. May God make it better for anyone suffering from such situations.
something that i’ll always find to be equally fascinating and alarming is people’s innate ability to care more about the big guys than the little guys especially if they themselves are one of the little guys
Because they don't view themselves as the little guys, they view themselves as the future big guys. When people think about rich millionaires being taxed fairly they oppose it because they imagine themselves as future millionaires.
@@painttedHyena1974This! Exactly this! The ignorant refuse to identify as the little guys when that is their reality. Explains why 60% latinos voted Trump.
I cried so much hearing people's story about how much they suffered due to the insurance, because I can relate to them. I have a disability that I had since I was young. Insurance company declined many of the treatments that I needed in the past. Their reasoning was "we can't find the cause of your disability". My parents always struggled financially due to me. I watched my parents cry at night looking at the bills. I felt so guilty. The guilt made me grow fast, which also motivated me to be successful. I am not rich but now I can buy my parents meals that they want. I hope lights come to those who are currently in struggle and those who struggled.
My brother had his jaw bone cut into to extract his wisdom teeth (they never erupted from the bone) as pieces of bone hit the back of his throat from the surgery... And he was awake the whole time. Because our insurance deemed it medically unnecessary to have anesthesia during the procedure. Now he has severe PTSD of needles and the dentist and has never went back. Oh, and our insurance wouldn't pay for an actual oral surgeon either: only a dentist, which doesn't have the same schooling to do such procedures. So who knows if it was done properly. I work in the dental field now (orthodontics) and have for many years now. It hurts my heart that insurances tell us that certain children and adults do not have coverage, unless it is "medically necessary." Yet, these people suffer every day with TMJ, eating issues, breathing problems, etc due to malformations and misalignment of the bite and teeth. You're telling me it's not necessary??? And this minor stuff; not even life saving surgeries that are denied every day, leading to death. Luigi is a hero to the american people, and I hope the 1% learns to fear the people, so they start to respect the people. "So early in my life, I had learned that if you want something, you had better make some noise." - Malcom X
Well it wasn't medically necessary was it? No. It's not common to get anaesthesia during that procedure just sedatives. Tell me what profit margins do you think the insurance companies make? They are TINY 2-3% so paying for not needed anaesthesia that also adds RISKS isnt possible. Take the emotion out and think logically. Also I had the same thing done and have permeant damage and I only got sedatives (like nearly everyone else) and I am just fine. So your brother being an outlier doesn't change the fact that putting people under isn't standards for the costs and RISKS.
"In god we trust" - what god? Do you mean $$? Absolutely scary Healthcare system, and populace seems to be cool with that because... "we hate communism"? xD Absolutely wild how bourgeoisie managed to indoctrine average joe that everything that's bad in his life is his own fault and he just has to wake up earlier and work harder, like that's the only factor determining our lives. Who are people profiteering denying people access to health/life? This ceo was basically a psychopath hit man. I hope something will change with that Healthcare system in US because it has to be absolutely revamped
@@LizThomas-dp7srShilling for big insurance after admitting you had permanent damage from a procedure is strange. You’re ‘fine’ because you accept this crappy system. It doesn’t matter how small their profits are, the system shouldn’t even exist! 🤦 Whether we receive proper medical care is decided by the predatory healthcare industry, how is that justifyable? Why is our healthcare at the whim of these insurance companies that have zero knowledge of medical issues and are only worried about their bottom line? 2-3%? They will deny more claims just to reach 4%. That is even more of a reason to oppose it. Who are you to say it’s not necessary?? Not every patient is the same. If anesthesia was offered to this patient for this procedure then it has probably been deemed medically necessary for some patients in the past, and the doctor was likely on board. Also, they literally said that insurance wouldn’t pay for an oral surgeon either, so a dentist without the proper experience did the procedure. And obviously the dentist did something wrong. Do you think that having a proper specialist who is trained to perform the operation you need is not ‘medically necessary’? If you want to settle for horrible health care that left you permanently damaged then that’s fine, but don’t expect everyone else to be happy with that
Now the police are branding Luigi as a terrorist. He killed one person. they don't even call school shooters terrorists.
they misspelled hero
@@quincypunx69😂😂
Dylan Roof murdered nine people in a black church because he was a white supremacist who wanted to start a race war. No terrorism charge for him.
They’re trying to sway public opinion so bad it’s hilarious 💀no way they think it’ll work
100 is the internets fault he got that ist charge. y’all got the ball and ran with it.
"murder is wrong but if done through a corporation on a massive scale using tons of paperwork then it's business" this is on point. :(
Literally
US also having capital punishment is murder too but legalised smh
EXACTLY
@@respectthefish4992 This hits home even more when you realize innocent people who were wrongly accused of crimes they didn't commit were also put on deathrow.
@@denhielpagz4411 “palliative care”
Some think Luigi is a coward for ending the life of an “unarmed, defenseless man with his back turned” while ignoring the fact The CEO indirectly killed many faceless, defenseless, people with their backs to the wall.
"some" CEOs from fake accounts
I was clearly able to make better content than stephanie. And she clearly steals my content for Moolah and I have proof on my channel....,,,
those people who thinks he is unarmed are blind. that ceo is a sociopath, actually most medical insurance, pharmaceuticals ceo’s are sociopath.
@@ville-c4u Bruh, get help
@@ville-c4uyou could literally apply this to any true crime content creator
I’ve noticed a lot of people on TikTok are praising Luigi Mangione mostly for his looks, and while that’s understandable, I feel like it’s overshadowing the real purpose behind what he did. He was trying to open people’s eyes to the problems in the healthcare system and inspire action. It’s important we don’t lose sight of that message because the issues he highlighted really need attention. I’m glad he spoke out, and I hope more people focus on the change he’s advocating for. Not some stupid tik tok edits.
I think a lot of the TikTok’s editing his looks is kinda satirical, it’s their weird way of making fun of the NYPD and other parts of the government. Especially when you see how bad the police and FBI want us to hate this man, TikTok turns around and says “he still looks hot with piss in his pants”. There are actually many others on TikTok who’ve looked into the symbolisms and messages of his crime. From the Monopoly money, to the carving on the bullets, to his manifesto. The platform just limits them a bit more than TH-cam where you can make a 2 hour video commentary. Their message is still there though; the lower class has gotten tired of the treatment. (I still really like your take though! I just think TikTok has a different way of taking part in spreading his message!) :)
Thank you for sharing your perspective. I now have a better understanding of the situation from TikTok’s side as well. That being said, I don’t think the NYPD is particularly concerned with the TikTok edits of Luigi Mangione. It seems more like a trend that, in a few weeks, people will likely move on from, just like they did with the Menendez brothers’ case. I don’t have anything against anyone, but it’s unfortunate that many, especially younger people, may not take the time to understand the seriousness of the situation. :(
I don't use TikTok but his profile including his good looks, is significant: he's good looking, wealthy, white, well educated, and as far as we know straight, no history of drug use or mental illness. He's the worst nightmare for the wealthy class, bc they can't direct the public's anger to any minoritized group. He not only is a reflection of them, he looks like the best of the best among them.
@@pepsi6356yes im glad someone is able to explain it ! Tiktok is mocking them
@@dllfaece as a teenager I’d disagree with you. People who are saying he’s hot or wtv ARE aware of what’s going on and that’s why they’re saying it. It’s saying “yeah he killed the CEO but no one cares about the CEO because he doesn’t care about us. We love this guy, plus he’s hot” I’m seeing more than enough people go into depth about the whole thing and I don’t think everyone needs to because they’re already spreading support for him albeit in a different way.
i don't feel bad for him. "he was a FATHER and a HUSBAND !!!" how many fathers and husbands do you think were killed to stuff his pockets a little bit more
Don't worry people just think you're insane for pointing that out apparently. I do have sympathy for their loved ones, and I don't agree he should've been shot. But people really seem to prefer to defend our broken system than to acknowledge the issues leading to such a strong resentment.
@SomeoneIusedtoknow-s1f No, we just think ANY murderer is disgusting and vigilante justice is wrong. Mob mentality has no place in society.
@@SomeoneIusedtoknow-s1f I don't even feel bad for his kid and wife, they're set for life, and we've all seen what happened to privileged pampered kids who are raised treating other people's lives as worthless. We end up with affluenza kid syndome.
saddam was also a father. how does being a father cleans you off your sins? i don't understand people's logic
I was clearly able to make better content than stanzi. And she clearly steals my content for Moolah and I have proof on my channel.
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As someone that does not live/has never lived in USA, the healthcare system it’s so confusing and weird. I’m a doctor and it blows my mind that I would have to ask “permission” to an insurance to be able to do tests, treatments, basically ask “can I do my job?” To someone that has zero medical knowledge
They have doctors to deny claims, unfortunately it is doctors who never met the patient in their life and know nothing about the situation besides what fits neatly in an insurance claim form. (Diagnosis and treatment, that’s it.)
@@ness7342 they aren't doctors
Most doctors and hospitals don't even want to help anyone that doesn't have insurance.
As a healthcare worker. No doctor or hospital denies claims. It's literally the insurance company. As a resolution specialist It's my job to fight private insurance, medicad, medicare to the end. I've sat on the phone for hours to just give people one more day of treatment. We need universal Healthcare like the rest of the world!
33:36 for real. How do you have people running a business about health and don’t have a medical background it’s mind blowing…
All the people defending this CEO seem to forget that he would reject their pleas for help in a heartbeat if it meant getting a bit more cash in his bank account.
@@tonicteenah those people have been wronged and thus cant help but not feel sympathy ! nothing wrong with that specially when out to-president and vice presidents are currently praising a murderer (penny)
YEAHHHH THESE COMPANIES DONT CARE ABOUT YOU, ALL THEY CARE ABOUT IS PLEASING THEIR SHAREHOLDERS AND ADDING MORE CASH INTO THEIR WALLETS
In fact, he's not a decision maker on insurance claims, so no, he wouldn't.
And Luigi, who had trust-fund access, his grandparents made millions on the odd combination of nursing homes & country clubs & resorts. Kind of a Pharma Bro - Trump mix of a family. So more of a 1%er violence on violence situation.
Except one of them was an unarmed dad shot in the back.
Correct. But it's not because his one deed is something that resonates with you that he's some kind of genius or guru. In fact he has the IQ of a broken glass of beer and has no reading on politics or economics, like it's proven by his "views" on how to solve the fertility rate in Japan. He was just suffering and wanted the ones making him suffer to pay for that. He's not a leader. He's but what should be another soldier. Not even the best one. Let's not fall for the Halo Effect.
@JohnnyLynnLee his understanding on that topic and probably several others is flawed and naive, yes, and I'm not saying he's a genius either, but saying he's got the "IQ of a broken glass of beer" when he was valedictorian at his ivy league college, has completed a degree in engineering and has the means and understanding to 3d print a functional gun.. that is a bit of a stretch.
The fact that his inmates are shouting: FREE LOUIGI, says it all
FREE LUIGI! His cell mates are literally all so supportive of him it's crazy 😂
uau a bunch of criminals are defending a criminal... win.
And did you vote for a criminal, just possibly? @@MaluhiaPT
I did 😊@@Ex_squeeze_me
@@Ex_squeeze_meget her sis 🤭
"Brian was rushed to the hospital." Okay, but did he really NEED to go to the ER?
The family will likely receive a surprise billing for the ER visit in a few months because they denied the claim.
I know I shouldn't find your comment as amusing as I did
totally optional
This should be the number one comment
Yeah that sounds like unnecessary care.
What Luigi did shows how even small changes can disrupt the comfort of those in power. The real challenge, though, is keeping that momentum going, because without constant pressure, the system will go back to serving the elite.
Sadly, no one is taking the streets on this healthcare matter! Yet, disrupt the streets for everything else. Not sure people will be heard just typing about their feelings and stories behind a computer.
Independent media has reported about this for years and they will continue, give them your views to them not the corrupt media that hides these issues.
@@enidmrtnz5315 So typing behind the compute is the modern day equivalent of gathering around the well to spread the news with your fellow residents. This absolutely DOES help bolster things and start the pressure into civil unrest. While it's "just" talking now, "just talking" will eventually lead to "I've also had enough of this" and people rallying against the problem. The real question is: will the government try to prevent the civil unrest from magnifying by stomping down on the healthcare giants or will they fumble this situation and allow the civil unrest to ramp up.
If you're wondering how well "just talking online" does for citizens fighting things: check out the recent upsets in the gaming community (how gamers utterly destroyed Concord, how Steam is finally setting boundaries on companies to prevent more Early Access pocket leeches, etc.). All sorts of sudden changes are happening across the gaming industry in small waves BECAUSE people have been complaining loud enough and long enough online to convince each other to start voting with their wallets (stop buying products for the companies fucking up). The difference there is: gaming is a luxury item which you can go without while Healthcare is a 'luxury' item that you really do need. Its much easier to refuse to pay for games to punish that industry than it is to go without the insurance you need to live.
It already those, the American healthcare system treats people like modern serfs.
Luigi rattled their cage. He did something that no one dared to do and would rather conform to the society by begging from the oligarchs while paying them what’s due for me to pay. And, when the time comes that I will take the service that I’ve been paying comes, I’m at their mercy. #Luigi #hero They (media) will keep on dividing us through fake news or brain washing because on this issue, we the people became untied through Luigi’s actions. And if the people are united, that’s a danger to the govt & oligarchs. Hold the line. Luigi represented every Americans that suffered and suffering because of the greed of the govt & establishment.
In 2020 my dad went to the ER with head pain. Without a scan or proper checkup they sent him home with ibuprofen . Next morning he had a stroke, I’m forever traumatized from the 911 call I made at 15. Finally he was rushed to the ER (in an ambulance), a couple hours later he came home sensitive to all light, refused to eat, in chronic pain. They told him he was having stress induced migraines. Again, another ambulance, another traumatizing call. He would be brain dead 3 days later and by the 5th he would pass at 48 yrs old from a brain aneurysm (bleeding in the brain).. only to be told that if it was caught days earlier he would’ve lived. He was insured
I'm so sorry that happened to you 😢
I'm so sorry you all had to go through this - it makes me speachless and unbeliveably sad.
I'm SO sorry that happened to you and your dad.😓
Jesus I am sooo sorry :(
The health system has become a joke.
The books he read.
You guys do realize that sometimes, people read books not becase they like it, but because they're curious? Reading Elon Musk's biography doesn't mean he likes Elon Musk, he could just be curious as to what his life could be.
I literally read books about different religions, cultures, etc because I'm curious. It doesn't necessarily contradict my character. How is this hard to figure out
"Oh no you read this book about Nazis but you're also reading books about Jews, that's so contradicting." Wtf
maybe elon was on the hit list 😂
That’s what I was thinking. Maybe he’s just a well rounded individual and loves to learn and research
If anything it's complementary to the fact that he is open to seeing other POVs and not closed-minded.
@@vigilantly1182 this!
yeah@@vigilantly1182
Honestly find it so hard to feel bad for someone who got killed who indirectly killed so many people
We will need an update in a few weeks
32% denial rates
In abortion it's like this
@@jadhielayress471 not comparable. don't try to shoehorn your ideology in unrelated situations
Why does Everyone think HE was the. Mastermind? He works for others....the real problem here are the shareholders. They want their cut. He wasn't the problem. The shareholders are.
how is a man that tore many families apart considered innocent but a man who took that mans life is considered a villain
Even worse his labeled a terrorist 😢😢😢😢
Capitalism o/
so stupid fr
also i really liked the idea that all of NYC would wear the same outfit, he'll, even all of USA
that'll be fun
but on a serious note: i always wanted to move to USA, but damn...european healthcare is want me alive at least 🤔
because everything is set to serve the rich.
And being called a danger to society, like, yeah, a danger for the health insurance CEO's and companies itself, to us? yeah, right.
Well.....tbh, Hitler was a husband, Stallin was a father and a husband, BTK had a whole family, the golden state killer had grandkids. The point is, this 26 y/o kid had more forethought than the unibomber, okc bomber, and Rudolph combined. There was one person responsible for the policy changes and that person alone was his target. He had no real hope of getting away. And he sacrificed his life for change. And it worked. Pretty profound for a 26 year old kid.
To be fair, Stalin cared more about the USSR than his family. He sent his son to the front lines of WWII because he treated him the same as every other young man. When he was captured by the Germans, the Germans tried to trade him, as like a mid ranked dude, for some like giga general the Soviets had captured. Stalin laughed and said no.
Wait whos Rudolf?
Don't compare Stalin to the trash.
@@starsparklemonkey3390 a dude also known as the 'olympic park bomber'
@@umitakahashi1296i'm not sure if you are pro or anti Stalin, but i'm not sure I compared him to anyone.
When you started going over his back pain, brain fog, and cognitive symptoms of chronic pain, I started bawling. I just turned 33, just beat stage 3 breast cancer, which I now have to take estrogen blockers for which makes bone and joint pain worse, I am in the same boat. 2 days ago I communicated with my pain specialist about wanting ablation, she said I’m too young. But I don’t want anymore pills, after almost 20 years on pain pills, they do nothing for me. I just beat cancer and I can’t even live the life I want because of pain, I can’t focus, I feel like I can’t even talk sometimes, I had to leave my career, and my new wonderful job at the cancer center is affected. No one understands unless they’ve been there. I feel seen by Luigi, and you. Thank you for your in depth attention to this mental distorting pain. 💕YouSteph💕
That sounds intense, and I'm sorry you have to go through that every day. I'm sending you my sympathy and prayers to your recovery ♥️💕
I feel like the insurance people don’t see us as human
I really pray you get everything you want in life, you’ve been through so much and you deserve the world. Keep fighting beautiful💗💗🫶🏻
My grandma was denied coverage for her diabetes. She died soon after. Free Luigi
Condolences
Stanzi clearly steals my content for Moolah and I have proof on my channel.,,
@@ville-c4ushut up already. Upload a video at least to be talking on here.
You’re a clown to want to free a cold blooded killer 🤡
no thank you
My child was denied an inhaler from United because they said it wasn’t “medically necessary”… He has asthma. I had to pay for it out of pocket. They also denied to pay for coverage when I took him to the ER. So 🤷🏽♀️
Wow! That totally sucks! So sorry about that!😢
I have asthma as well. I'm so sorry this happened to you. Such an awful system.
Literallyyy!! My mom and brothers diabetes medications aren’t covered because they’re “cosmetic”
How much? I am from Brazil and this kind of medication is free
The whole “not medically necessary” thing from ins companies in regard to medications prescribed by doctors is UNHINGED to me! I’m disabled due to 2 chronic illnesses and a degenerative disorder of the spine and the number of times I’ve heard over the last 25 years that something wouldn’t be covered because it was “not medically necessary” is actually insane! I’m eternally grateful for my doctor of 22 years who’s always fought for me with my insurance company (which happens to be United. Go figure?) Without him in my corner, standing up and demanding I get the care and medications I need, I’d be so lost?
I'm not an expert on American healthcare system, and I don't condone violence, but it seems to me that with predatory system like America has, where insurance companies can deny people health coverage to people who have worked their whole lives while rich CEO's make ten million dollar a year, incidents like this are bound to happen. There is only so much bullying average, working class people will take before they snap. Healthcare should not be exploited for profit.
There has been much talk, discussions, and many protests.. over the years regarding the dire situation with US healthcare and nothing has gotten done. Sometimes actions speak louder than words, sometimes the ONLY way things change is with some force.
Yup. Being high up in companies are stressful, but rarely life threatening and typically no more stressful than everyone else's jobs. You can make enough as a CEO oftentimes that if you invested a few million many people could get enough back from investing to live an average or better middle-class or high middleclass lifestyle. Meanwhile, most middle-class have to work 40+ hours a week, in jobs that take a massive toll, sometimes extremely dangerous jobs that pay poorly and have crap healthcare, and the CEO makes his/her money off the backs of everyone under them that can often struggle just to afford basic living expenses and healthcare.
Our system also rarely allows CEOs to come about from nothing. You're not likely in America to go from a beef pusher to a CEO, you typically have to have a great start in life to actually get high up to begin with.
It irritates me that people don't see how bad it is to funnel the majority of American money into the CEOs and top members of companies while the bottom rungs suffer.
I heard a lot of stories about many people in America afraid to go to the hospital for just simple badic treatments because they are afraid of how much it may cost. I live on the other side of the world, a third world country where people like me could only dream about earning average income in the US but can easily have access to basic medical assistance/treatment for almost free makes me feel so relieved that I was born here. I cant imagine having to stress about these things being a single parent.
as an american. you really hit the nail on the coffin.
This. The price difference for healthcare in America compared to other countries is fckng diabolical, the self-proclaimed best country in the world.
This was so well done. I was super emotional when you detailed his back pain and his interests. The personal horror stories from patients seriously contrasts the narrative the media is trying to paint. It’s so grossly hypocritical. Strange times we’re living in.
Interesting indeed. I've never seen so much cohesion amongst the people on any topic and the complete disconnect from the media. The harder try to villainize my boy the easier it is to see through the bs.
i'm not an American but i've been crying for a week reading the comments of health insurance victims. you beautiful people don't deserve this. i had no idea it was this bad. god bless luigi.
Same. I’ve heard they been complaining about the health care in America, but had no idea it was that bad. In my country we have free health care, but if you want you can pay for private doctors in private hospitals, and its absolutely affordable for majority of population. I feel so sad and mad for people, healthcare is a basic need. This is inhumane..
I wished people in the USA would wake up, this was their call, this man started a movement that needs a little push. This is affecting even the rich people like Luigi, what else do citizens need??? This situation is very, very sad for everyone.
It is sooooooo much worse than just the insurance side. I was an EMT and surgical tech before becoming disabled. Consider trickle down economics. If the insurance company controls how much the hospital receives, it's the hospital CEOs that control cost saving policies that your nurses, techs, and caregivers have to execute and how much money they recieve after taking their cut and paying the doctors and investors.
We have physician owned hospitals that sound good in concept but what happens is groups of doctors will get together to open their own hospital. Think about how wrong things can go when your doctor is the arbiter, salesmen, CEO, and shareholder.
Your nurses and techs are the ones punished if they provide you more care than your insurance will pay back. It's the lowest people on the totem pole that have to carry out these policies.
And we are also FORCED to use whichever insurance provider the hospital decides. So after being overworked, pressured to rush surgeries, and under insured, we wind up broke and disabled. I was fired while recovering from my 11th surgery which was ironic cuz I worked in the OR that did my surgery. My surgical team were my coworkers. I've been without health insurance ever since. Been 6 years and my condition will kill me within 10 with treatment - much sooner without. I still need extensive surgery but I can't even afford the $250 doctor appointment or the $20,000 blood work. And that's just the initial exam 😂 💀
I stopped tracking my medical debt after the first two times I was sued for unpaid medical bills. Still above 50k. The craziest part is the hospitals sell your debt to collectors. So they get a portion of your debt paid by the buyer and write the rest off as a loss or charity to get the tax cuts. Meanwhile, your debt gets sold from one company to a next while you get harassed and sued. So multiple businesses profit off your medical debt while you are held liable.
What’s horrible too is that they charged him with terrorism because it’s the only form of legality they can do so he doesn’t get parol. Meanwhile literally 2 days ago there was a school shooting in the same state & that person who killed children wasn’t labeled as a “terrorist” but instead “one with mental health issues”. America will always label those who know the truth as terrorist but when it comes to a school shooter/shooter towards pocs they would give them the mental health card. Kyle rittenhouse is a perfect example. As an American who’s seeing this all unfold since I was a kid. It’s scary cause ik the government doesn’t support us & would rather see us die to protect their buck.💔 (sorry for the trauma dump😭😭).
Medicare for all is desperately needed.@@lolalalia4119
"What in the world could you have done to deserve this?"
Denied millions of people needed healthcare and left them to die. I feel no sympathy for him or his family.
For him? Fine don’t show sympathy but don’t take that shit out on his family. That isn’t anything to do with them
You can bet his family had no sympathy for all the people that DIED under that man's instructions.
@@orie1504yes! Exactly!
@@orie1504 he 10000% didn’t care at all but you don’t know about the family. Yea they benefited from it A LOT but you don’t know how they feel since they have zero control over it
@@someoneelse5342 Lucifer didn't fall from heaven alone. Remember that.
Dang stephanie got this out QUICKKK
IKRRR
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y’know!
YESS
Stephanie's the type of student to hand in the assignment three weeks before it's due.
Stephanie, you are gold for covering this so frankly and without glossing over the general opinions of the broader public. You put together a super well organized overview and managed to still be serious, playful and professional all at once.
My mom has United. When she had a heart attack in February they denied all of her claims and tried to stick her with the bill. Once she got them to pay that, they tried to deny all of her claims for cardio rehab AFTER pre-approving it. She would've been left hundreds of thousands in debt.
These companies have killed millions. I'm glad we are having this conversation now.
Yes, we're having a conversation, but nothing will change. The people who won in November 2024 are in favor of deregulation. They want companies, including insurance companies, to do whatever they want. The voters spoke in favor of that, and they're a bit quiet right about now, but come January, they'll get more of what they voted for.
the fact that the police decided to post that photo of Luigi where he peed himself is just disgusting of them, trying to humiliate someone and dehumanise them in that way knowing he has a back condition that makes it hard for him to hold it in.... all I have to say is that this whole world, the system is so broken. add to the fact that he was recently also charged with terrorism charges????? for killing one man absolutely wild
Infuriating 😡
I was clearly able to make better content than stephanie. And she clearly steals my content for Moolah and I have proof on my channel....,
The system is not broken it works exactly how the people who run it want it to work. It wasn’t meant to favor us.
Its because they took hus pain meds, just like all of these healthcare conpanies are doing now, they dont care how they hurt people either.
Terrorism charges is insane
I'm a Pharma translator so I'm in between the citizen and the health plan and I see so many cases every day where it's like "sorry your doctor wasn't available when you were in labor but because a doctor outside of our plan delivered your baby, you actually owe 30,000 dollars. Anyway congrats on the baby!" I swear America is not a real place
My jaw is on the floor.. that is so sad
I'm genuinely so scared for if I ever get pregnant. I would have no idea what to do. that's awful
And elites wanna cry about the birth rate declining ahah
@isnugglebugs You just have insurance and go to any in network hospital. That or be on welfare. The poor inner city Americans seem to have no issues affording half a dozen pregnancies. Who is paying all their healthcare bills? Just do what they do.
This was sort of my story. My birth center labor failed with both kids. So on top of out of pocket costs for midwives TWICE I had to pay thousands for hospital births I _never_ wanted. Plus my insurance never wanted to cover midwifery care since they don’t see it as real care
I worked in healthcare for 6 years. I AUTOMATICALLY SENT ALL DOCUMENTATION. Including Imaging, Dr. notes, ER Visits, and UHC denied 90% of the time. Threats of calling the news were the only thing that got procedures Authorized.
As someone who woke up mid surgery, you are absolutely right. You feel everything, hear everything, and your mind screams one thing as you desperately try to gain control of your body.
In my case, I couldn’t speak through my whimpering so my sole focus was hitting the doctor, stopping the pain as he cut my flesh, with my free hand. They discussed whether or not I was awake while I cried, whimpered and unsuccessfully flung my arm until it got onto my lap. Halfway to the doctor. Only then did they correct their mistake and put me under. I still have nightmares about it.
What makes it worse, I have a long history of immunity to anesthesia. We talked about it at our initial consult, check in, and the day of. Due to my stress over it, they prescribed me an anti anxiety drug pre surgery. But they didn’t take my history seriously, and my worst fear came to fruition, and I’m haunted by it. To this day, I haven’t stepped foot into another doctors office. I hate them, I hate it.
When I was the news about blue anthem, it freaked me out. I know it’s a little different than my situation, but to limit coverage of anesthesia is evil. Fuck our healthcare system. It’s so dystopian.
I'm so sorry that happened to you that is absolutely horrifying
So sorry this happened to you. Blue anthem quickly backed out if that since this has happened. The Healthcare system in the US is atrocious.
I woke up during a surgery too , it was horrible. Im so sorry you went through that ❤
Similar thing happened to me as well.
That sounds like hell. I hope you never have to go through that again
as someone who's dealing with the same back problems as luigi, lemme tell y'all. it hurts so much to the point where you feel like you'll pass out. I had my thesis last year, and just suddenly I felt like someone was constantly tazing me for 3 days. I couldn't think. and since my back started hurting, I never had a normal day. I can't concentrate anymore, I'm starting to forget things I once learned by heart. I can't even sit without feeling like my back is being tazed. I'm not saying whatever he did was right, but one of the reasons might be that he couldn/t take it anymore, when you go from being the smartest, to feeling like the dumbest, and no one is trying to help.
I deal with the back issues too. I was able to get meds etc. with this insurance company.
@@karentucker2161I too have insurance, ironically the same insurance the guy who was shot owned 😮 guess who hasn't been able to work or anything for the last 4 years due to insurance not giving a flying fuck? Me. Sometimes meds don't work 🎉
Congrats, you're part of the 1% @@karentucker2161
I have EDS, neuropathy, chronic pain, etc. I cannot comprehend what going even one minute without pain would be like the same way healthy people cannot truly understand what pain does to the psyche. I once had a psychiatrist tell me my disassociation techniques in processing the pain was unhealthy. I thought I was coping pretty well! 😂 3 years later I'm in a wheelchair getting 5150d for trying to grant myself some mercy
Chronic pain, especially back pain, can change who you are fundamentally as a person. Can confirm.
1:52:00 Lets talk about the mother who talked to a healthcare worker deny care for her child and said in a rage “deny, defend, depose” and is now facing FIFTEEN YEARS in prison. What happened to freedom to speech? Do they really think a mother was seriously threatening terrorism. No, they are making “examples” of normal people. It will always be the top 1% winning.
Edits and clarifications: Her name is Briana Boston from Florida. And her direct quote was: "Delay, deny, depose. You people are next". I am not arguing what she said was right, but 15 years in prison is absolutely ridiculous.
unfortunately (and idek if i fully agree with this) BUT on a phone call reps unfortunately have to take you at your word. i’m not saying they’re right, im just warning anyone else to just please, don’t even say anything that could be taken that way.
@@brianacampbell9780I’ve had a stalker and threats over the phone weren’t enough for the police to do anything for me. In order for them to ever be arrested they had to step foot on my property or show physical intent to harm me.
Do you know how many threats of actual terrorism are sent to schools across the country that do not lead to arrests? This is absolutely being done as an example to the plebs.
I dunno that saying the 1% will ALWAYS be winning does anything to motivate change at all. Makes it seem insurmountable and it's hard but it isn't.
Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequence.
@@brianacampbell9780 She didn't even say anything threatening. Those are words that the companies themselves use.
As a patient who has cancer and an auto-immune disease, I can attest that the healthcare system doesn't really care about our health as much as what's in our bank accounts. It's a dystopian world we live in. 😢
im so sorry you’re going through this and I hope that you can receive the adequate care you deserve
It sounds like Luigi did the math, saw his future and figured if he was going to live in pain for the rest of his life. He decided to do one big thing to give his life meaning. Either this or his illness and pain caused a change in thinking. One way or another, he did something much, much bigger than commit murder. Another murder happened the same day just down the road from this one and nobody had anything to say about it except a whole lot of victim blaming.
i guess luigi is going to have free healthcare while in prison, so theres that.
@@B1-997I don’t believe he had United insurance . He had a different insurance. I think he had a different motive maybe that he was a scapegoat. for someone. CEO was to testify on inside stock trading with the doj. His insurance was covered for his back surgery… but this maybe misinformation. The truth always comes out we have to wait & see.
@@B1-997 but his parents are wealthy, why would he rely so much on prison healthcare?
That makes no sense. Luigi is a rich man with rich parents. People are praising him for this but the reality is that he lost his mind. He destroyed his whole future for nothing and for what? To get letters in prison from women with hybristophilia?dude changed nothing. He caused no revolution whatsoever. All he did was cause controversy that will soon die. It was pointless, and his manifesto was nonsensical.
@@ayawithoutwifithey might disown him at this point seeing how their family has a relationship with the healthcare industry. His sister is a doctor.
The. Prisoners yelling out the window for Luigi brings me to tears. The mistreatment they themselves suffer but holler for another renews my faith in humanity..God is good!
You realize they were mocking him right? IF you watch or hear the WHOLE thing they were yelling to free him because "He has no T.V. in his cell, the food is crap!" So on and so forth. I have friend that's a C.O. at the same prision and he tells me they mock The F*CK out of him and he doesn't even realize it.
I was clearly able to make better content than stanzi. And she clearly steals my content for Moolah and I have proof on my channel.,
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@@tovelokiwifeodindottir9936 No I wasn’t aware they mocking him. I thought because shined a light on the overall mistreatment they suffered they hollered for his release, I believe that most men are good who make dumb decisions, of course there are truly evil ppl but I don’t believe the majority of prisoners are bad to the core just really misguided or made decisions when young they would never make as adults. I could be wrong but I hope I’m not.
You do realize those people are in prison for a reason, you have no idea what crimes they committed
@@tovelokiwifeodindottir9936 yeah totally adds up, prisoners love the feds, checks out.
I just wanted to say thank you Stephanie for highlighting victims of the healthcare industries stories instead of honing on conspiracy theories. This is what the media is trying to ignore. Actual people’s stories and testimonies is what we need to focus on.
I concur wholeheartedly💜🤗
The note about medical industry responding more urgently when it impacts your work is so true. Every check I’ve had for mental health, adhd, anxiety, ocd etc focuses on my work life more than what’s left of me for my home life.
*Yes, he was a husband and a father, but all the LOVED ones that were denied/delayed and as a result took a turn for the worse were husbands, wives, mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, grandmas, grandpas, uncles, aunts, etc. Greed and messed up policies for profit have consequences.*
Wasn’t it revealed that he has separated from his wife and children at the time of the murder
@Maddelinegolding12567Yea that's what I heard and his family will be well taken care of. He has money
@Maddelinegolding12567I belive so but you know how this damn country is. “Immigrants and the poor are horrible and the reason thing s are bad!!!!” Also same people “ Oh No business productivity is tanking for companies because people need time off or got sick! Who daddy ceo or billionaire owner of what’s it who da made 100 mil less this year than last!” 🤦🏻♀️
@@jennydelgado8517Exactly they are using the immigrants as a distraction and a lame excuse as to why this country is horrible at times. No it has always been ran by shitty racist who are in it for the money. The immigrants should be the least of our worries atp, when our own people/government is picking and choosing who deserves to live like the f*cking hunger games minus the arena.
Only its not greed. Have you looked at how narrow thin their margins actually are. People think they are out here making bank its less than 2-3% margin that is NOTHING in business terms.
As a non American when I first heard you guys tell bystanders not to call an ambulance even in emergency cases was baffling to me. So I completely understand Luigi. Man is the first stepping stone for a long overdue revolution
Yeah, bc that can be 50 grand & usually we don't call cops either bc their dangerous too
How messed up is that?!
My parents lived 6 blocks from the er. I am still angry about the 30k ambulance bill.
The last few years of their lives, they'd just call me. I lived 10 minutes away in the opposite direction of the hospital but it wasn't still around 10 minutes between them picking up the phone and them physically entering the emergency room.
My mom was in the hospital frequently,and I got a few speeding tickets. But at around $100 each, it wasn't even close.
WTF!? 30K for ambulance is beyond unreasonable.
@@gypsydonovan whattttttt? I've slept in the hospital for a whole week and it didn't even cost me a dollar in my country. This is crazyyyyyy. Are they doing surgery in there?🙄
They’re trying to brand him a terrorist, they’re that terrified of what he started, remember that to them class solidarity is terrifying
Yup, that's why they charged Brianna with terrorism when she said, "deny, defend, depose" to her insurance company. Another man, Nathan Mahoney, also recently stabbed the president of his company & it's not making waves on the news
@Lapislazuli_36 yep, people are finlly getting who the enemy is and that scares them
@@Lapislazuli_36 They are trying to use Brianna as an example to basically tell the public to shut the hell up and not express ANY frustration with insurance companies. To take the injustice and sit down somewhere and accept pain, not getting help, dî3 in silence depending on the severity of a person's condition. She is a 42 year old mother who doesn't even own any firearms. They are acting like we don't see what they are doing by trying to scare the public bc if you get pissed in any way, they may ruin your life with a possible 14 year sentence on top of it. America loves to brag about the 1st and especially 2nd amendment, but oh no when this woman expresses her frustration and doesn't even own a g-n.
It's honestly gross. They all need to lose their power
Ridiculous !
I am still a new nurse and working in a surgical floor I am exposed to a lot of these people getting back/spine surgeries, etc. As much as it can be overwhelming when you have 4 patients asking for narcotics back to back, it shows how debilitating chronic nerve pain and neuropathy is. It’s not just affecting people physically, but also mentally. From just having physical symptoms, it branches to psych and other aspects of health. Just like Steph mentioned, pulling your hair out, scratching your skin until it bleeds, behavioral issues such as agitation. Spine surgeries are tough. It’s either you feel better right away or you are worse and have a longer way to go in recovery, or you get multiple surgeries just to feel better. Some even need to stay in an inpatient rehab and have long term PT/OT needs. I hope this event changes healthcare for the better. Not having access to essential care and services when you are paying for it is torture.
I think we should also address that it’s sickening that it’s even possible for one person’s medications to cost $2,000,000 per year. The mark ups are ridiculous. And that is not even talking about a single dose of generic Tylenol costing $84 in a hospital.
Its insane. When I had my child, I looked at the invoice from the insurance. As I'm looking, I was charged over $1k for skin to skin! Them simply placing my child on me or near me was a freaking charge. That's when I knew the system was messed up pretty bad.
Good point. Itemized list would help greatly with that.
(not to be political, but didn't Pres.Trump propose that exact thing quite a few years back?)
And it's worse since they have their own pharmacy.
My bald father was charged $44 for a comb and $38 for a tiny bottle of shampoo while in the hospital.
He had an inhaler that cost 60 bucks but then for no valid reason it shot up to $450 and neither of his insurances would cover it. So he started ordering it from Canada for $80 and then wonderful, by definition fascist government stepped in and put an end to that shit.
As a Canadian this rips my heart out for all americans
I spoke with him on reddit. He was in the visual snow sub and he (along with a few others) is the reason i found out I have Ehlers danlos syndrome because they told me to look into possible relations to other conditions. He is the reason i now know why one day i woke up partially blind and seeirng dpots everywhere. He did what what doctors didnt and helped me to get the treatment i needed to manage my symptoms. Its absolutely insane and i dont even believe it myself. I dont condone murder but i stand with luigi.
You spoke with Luigi on reddit??
@@Iceberry_33he was on reddit a lot
@@Iceberry_33not too surprising tbh, the guy was fairly active on social media
@@Iceberry_33she probably recognized the same username that’s going viral right now and realized that it was him who helped her out. I stand with Luigi too.
Oh, neat someone else with vs, I hate it too, so many professionals I've seen about it, and they think I'm making it up. Bro, I can't see you at night. If you were 2 feet away from me, I'd be able to smell you before I could see you if there's not good lighting.
Also, my mother is a family doctor. She was the only family doctor for around 40 miles in the rural farm town where i went to high school. She took care of everyone, delivered them on day one and cared for them until they had their own children - who she also delivered. She provided all the sports physicals and worked all the football and basketball games, answered her phone 24/7 and loved every one of her patients. Until United Health bought the closest hospital, and then systematically forced almost every private practitioner into selling their practices to UHC, and then closed most of them down. My mother was one of them. Now the people who live there have almost no access to healthcare....its very sad.
Diabolical
This is genuinely crazy and evil
I never trust big corporations. The only ones that have a heart are the small businesses.
That’s heartbreaking. I’m so sorry for your mom and community.
That IS very sad. In a country that supposedly has representation for the citizens it’s clear that our political system has no advocacy for individuals. Very sad what they did to your mom.
Thank you Stefanie and team for including the stories of those affected by the corporate greed of an insurance company. The biggest scam in America besides all of the organizations responsible for our food that should nourish and heal and instead is a contributing factor to disease and sickness.
"Some times, drug dealers get shot" -Chris Rock
Underrated comment 😂
Nah, drug dealers give you all of what you pay for unlike insurance.
@@mirandom22 Well damn😭Great point
@@mirandom22they may give you the weight you ask for.... some add useless filler to add weight for their own profit. 😂
@@mirandom22you’re right.
I went to the ER last year in the worst pain of my life. In about 15 minutes they discovered my gallbladder had basically ruptured inside me and if they didn't get it out ASAP I would die. So, the ER doctor done what he had to do and got me to surgery. I ended up in the hospital for 4 days and it was about a 2 month recovery. About 2 weeks after getting home I get a letter from united health care explaining that they had denied the ER's doctor's request to do surgery on me and they would not be paying for any of my hospital bill. But I didn't have to pay for it because the doctor done the surgery knowing they won't pay for it. So, the doctor saved my life by not listening to a greedy insurance company and could of lost his job over it but thank God he did.
The bill was a little over $60,000
That is so crazy. Why should we have to pay 60k for one surgery? Who decided these prices? This system is so messed up!
Do you have an insurance ?😮
I had the same health emergency. My gallbladder had ruptured in a car accident and I didn't go to the hospital for 9 days after the accident when it started to cause sepsis. I had no idea it was ruptured until I got so sick that I could hardly move. I had no insurance.... got to the e.r. around 7pm on a Wednesday had emergency surgery around 10pm, and at 5pm Thursday hospital personnel wheeled me out in a wheelchair, left me sitting outside waiting for someone to pick me up, I was still drowsy from pain medicine and they hadn't even informed me that I was being discharged until they were coming in with the wheelchair to wheel me out so my ride was still 40 minutes away! I couldn't believe the way they treated me there. I've never heard of anyone that has a life threatening infection, having emergency gallbladder surgery being admitted and released in under 24 hours!
I'm sorry you had to go through that. Also, massive respect to that surgical team for staying true to their oath and saying "Fuck United"
😮😮😮😮😮DANM!!!
Back pain is NO joke especially when it has the spinal cord involved. My mom shot me at 19 which paralyzed me from the waist down & the back pain I experience is excruciating.
It’s definitely a physical battle, but more of a mental battle in all honesty.
When it gets to be too much I lay down & try to take my mind off of it by listening to Rotten Mango!!
Your mum shot you!?
im sorry that happened to you :[
I need to know more about why your mom shot you?
Wtf..I am so sorry you went through that! You're so strong man.. hoping you have a good day/year ahead
My boyfriend's father have multiple myeloma on the lower back. He got diagnosed and it spiraled pretty fast. He can't move. He hate to be moved. He doesn't want to drink or eat or be seated. He can't pee or poop on his own. He doesn't even make sense when he talk. When he briefly recovered, he just got a haircut and drink and drink and drink liquor. It's like he just want to end everything. Within a year of diagnosis, he died.
It's scary. everything involving the back or the spine is scary. I wish you healing and the rest of your life will be of no more pain.
Stephanie never fails to have me on the edge of my seat as she expertly/meticulously takes us on a trip (OR A TOUR, IF YOU WILL) through the events of what happened behind the scenes and helps us take an even closer peek into each true crime story or works of fiction she's chosen to relay to us that day. I personally love to sink onto my sofa, lay my head back, and close my eyes to get an even CLOSER look at the story she's covering for us that day.
WE LOVE ROTTEN MANGO!!!💜🤗
They say the reward for finding the killer was only $10,000 because the original reward was $50,000, but it had a $40,000 deductible.
Dang, I heard they denied the reward entirely. They didn't tell the proper authorities.
Didn't you hear it cost the snitch? They don't even have a job now.
@heatheranderson4475 🎉🎉
They didn't even give the mcdonalds worker the money like 😂 shouldn't have trusted them
The way I laughed at this comment that's a good one LOL
I work in a medical office and the amount of times insurance tries to play doctor is ridiculous. The fact it got to this point isn’t surprising to me.
I can't imagine the doctor's frustration too, telling the insurance company hey my patient desperately needs this medication or device to survive and the insurance is like "oh nah they'll be fine without it" I'd throw a fit omg
People with Low income insurance gets treatment more than people paying for it because they are not hesitant to see a provider. I am too scared to go see a doctor for a long time because the costs add up. There is a co-pay above the insurance I am already paying, and then imaging, medication, and treatment. 😢
to be fair it isn’t always the insurance companies . providers and doctors are shadyyyy lately to ensure their pockets get filled as well. i see it every day :/
@@brianacampbell9780 Absoultely agree. The amout of horror stories i hear from patients coming from outside doctors is so disheartening.
@@brianacampbell9780 From what I know, there isn't any kickbacks to prescribe in the United States but I heard that there was a long time ago
This just made me like him even more. Apart from seeming like a such a chill and nice dude, the fact that he is top of his class and comes from a wealthy family shows just how strong his morals are, that he would forfeit a life of wealth and use his intelligence to look out and avenge the American people that have been affected by the unjust and corrupt system that is US healthcare. Many people in that position would choose their own material wealth and use their brain to further inflict oppression on others. Instead he was the perfect person to do this and start a large conversation and hopefully, change. WE NEED SOCIAL REFORM ON ALL LEVELS.
Perfectly said
I hope he wont live a life full of regret 😢
Imagine the changes United Healthcare are already implementing to suppress further grievances. So far he is already contributing to thousands having more time with their loved ones, let alone opening up the discussion for change and restoring faith in mankind amongst general public. He won’t regret that.
Coming from a life of wealth doesn't immediately mean somebody has strong morals. Most billionaires are shitty people yet they come from rich families.
@divamoosic they meant that despite coming from wealth he had high morals, not that thats the reason he had high morals
Che Geuvara was called a "terrorist" too. He was an educated, privileged guy from a prominent family, who sacrificed a life of comfort to address society's ills. He's considered a "Hero of the Cuban Revolution." Cuba these days is a nation which puts the US to shame by providing free education and free, high quality HEALTHCARE to every Cuban citizen. Hell, there's so much FREE HEALTHCARE available in Cuba, they actually export doctors all over the world, just to help humanity. Luigi Mangione = "Hero of the Revolution"
Do you even live in Cuba to be saying all of this bs
@@danielamoncada7178I do and it’s just as the op says! 🇨🇺✨
@@danielamoncada7178 Do you? If yes then please enlighten us.
Cuba doesn't export their doctors lol... Really?!
They leave for better living conditions elsewhere!
Have you...ever talked to anyone from Cuba? They're living in extremely poor conditions, if you learn spanish and talk to anyone from there you would clearly see that. Don't try to make Cuba an amazing country with amazing education and healthcare, they're living in misery under a dictatorship.
When I was a kid I thought a lot about how insurance is a waste of money/ scam. Why would you pay someone to hold your money for you, interest free, and when you need the money back they get to tell you no?
I'm glad people are waking up.
That’s not the case in other countries. It’s just USA that is fked.
My late granddad told me before he left this world many decades ago, to never believe in insurance company especially life insurance,,,
I think this kind of insurance should be handled by government. For example my country (SE Asia) is no doubt corrupt, but many poor people still can get free treatment from headache to cancer surgery by using government health insurance (although the facility is almost abysmal and waiting list is quite long). Some EU countries policies are really good, sure they have big tax, but they wouldn't ever be bankrupt because of an accident or birth, and they also get free education and pension, not to mention their work life balance.
yea in countries where the system actually works its much better
@myname8419 Those first two sentences don't make any sense and contradict each other.
Why would you want your corrupt government to take responsibility over health insurance/ health care? If the government is corrupt, the service they provide will be. Just sounds like begging for another evil CEO to take responsibility, but now they will be harder to get rid of, because most governments have more power than their people.
thank you queen i’ve been WAITING for you to talk about this
I was just about to comment the exact comment word by word! You took the word out of my mouth
literally, soo excited that this moment has finally arrived!
Same here, but I was cooking when it came out and now watching it while eating ramen😅
Fr, this was so quick
Yesssss ❤
My favorite thing is that, when Ben Shapiro posted a video praising Brian Thompson and condemning the online reaction to the whole thing, his comments were full of his own dedicated faithful tearing him a new one and actually recognizing his grift.
Mark Walsh too. 😂😂😂
I wrote to Andrew Klavan, telling him he wasn't even asking the right questions, and should be ashamed of himself.
He never even mentioned the claim denial rate... didn't ask if this had been done via A.I. (as is alleged)
He never gave a hint that anyone was being investigated for insider trading, yikes!
Left wing, right wing....
same bird.
I'm right leaning but I CANNOT STAND Ben Shapiro!!! He is a bad person
I posted about that in another video and a woman said that all those comments were from leftists bots and that Brian Thompson had "nothing to do with the denials because he doesn't make the policies" 🙄I attempted to reply with facts and statistics but my comment kept being rejected by TH-cam's AI bot.
@@marym922”left wing, right wing…same bird” is so good. After having a federal government class this semester, I’ve really realized that party polarization is a killer of coming together. I hope America can become just a little more connected after this.
I love that you point out how much premiums really are for average Americans- more than our groceries- and we still get a giant bill for care our lives depend on. These companies want more than we have to give and are holding our lives or the lives of our loved ones hostage. What a tragedy
Hello, I am an emergency physician actively working in Turkey. I serve in a small village of 5,000 people, and as soon as a patient arrives, I begin the diagnostic and treatment process within 10 minutes. In critical situations, such as a heart attack, I can detect it and coordinate with a cardiologist to prepare for an angioplasty, including securing an operating room, all within less than an hour. Moreover, if you are employed, retired, or even working in the private sector, you don’t pay a single penny out of pocket for this care.
Growing up, I always imagined the United States as the most developed country in the world. However, seeing the state of its healthcare system is deeply disappointing. Once, I dreamed of taking the USMLE and becoming a resident in the U.S., but the realities of its system, shaped by capitalism, show a harsh and heartbreaking side.
I hope that one day, people around the world will understand the beauty of a socialist system. Despite the many problems in my country, knowing that I can visit a doctor anytime I feel even slightly unwell and receive the most necessary and high-quality care without any financial burden is truly a comforting thought.
Thank you for caring for people the way that you do.
I have friends who moved to Turkey from England and they absolute love the healthcare over there!
These are my thoughts exactly. I grew up always hearing America being called the land of the free, but now I see people having their rights taken away, the healthcare system is completely useless and everything is shaped by capitalism.
Germany isn't really doing well politically right now, there is a resurgence of populist right wing politics and the AfD (who are partially confirmed to be right extremists and/or national socialists) are gaining a huge amount of votes. If it keeps going this way I might lose my rights too. I don't know their stance on health care but I know that they don't care about human rights, and that, if they had it their way, trans people would not be able to afford gender affirming care.
I have always been glad to live in a country with free health care and I am so scared that we might end up like the US. It's unrealistic, but everything is just awful right now and even with all the signs we get, the people in power are still mot doing enough to stop climate change, there's wars about shit that is not worth killing for and humans can't seem to be decent, like, ever
All we can do is to keep fighting and be visible, make our voice heard and protest against those who abuse their power
(This is just a long ramble sry lol)
Love the insight you have, thank you for helping people ❤
The state in which the USA maintains their own population, could easily catalogue them as a Third World Country.
is murder bad ? yes. was the victim an innocent man ? hell no. i pray for his children and family but i cannot feel sympathy for someone that has systematically committed murder and caused so much pain for helpless ppl. sometimes these corrupt organizations deserve a little good old fear of god to be put in them. if luigi is a murderer and terrorist so was the man that was killed , he was even worse in my opinion. getting fat on the blood of the poor and desperate makes u more of a monster to me. these ceos and government are not concerned for the murder , they're concerned cuz luigi is turning into a revolution symbol , if they truly cared they would've also considered school shooting and death of CHILDREN as act of terrorism as well.
Thank you for having the sense to not blame his family or shame them even more. I think even outside of cases like this people love to point fingers at their closest loved ones who “could’ve done something.” It’s an understandable argument, but you can only take it so far before it becomes harassment.
The media would get mad at someone who took out a certain German guy with a weird mustache from the 30s and 40s because he was "a married man" who may or may not have had a kid named Siegfried.
I do feel bad for his family; for losing a son, a brother, a husband, or a father. but I don't feel bad for their lives since they were probably already set for live with all the money and wealth earn through all those dirty business. they still able to live lavishly with the money gained from the people who denied or robbed their insurances.
This is the perfectly sane explanation and not offend the family of the CEO and agree that what Luigi did is morally wrong but also acknowledge that this CEO is not a good person and systematically caused so much pain and financial distress too many people and it’s hard to show sympathy while he didn’t show any sympathy to families begs for help and kept denying them any help for money…. Money truly can make someone a true monster
@@cintiac1830 Those CEO systematically HELP far more people than they harm. Seriously you shouldn't comment if you're so ignorant of how the system works and how LITTLE insurance companies actually make. Their margins are insanely small (2-3%) and if they granted every request they would go under in less than a day. So the balance is needed, an impossibly hard job. But someone has to do it.
Either an insurance company does it where you have some control over your options and some competition or the government does it and you have no choice at all. No options to move or change your coverage ect.
People need to wake up a realize life isn't perfect and there are always tradeoffs. People in these tough jobs have to make the tradeoffs and they do it according to what's best for MOST people knowing some people will get screwed.
It's like in triage when there are TOO many patients they flip it they move on from those who have little change of making it why? Because trying to save that one person would take the resources, time and personal that could be used to save these 4 others also critical injured but not as badly. The choice always has to be made. SO when overwhelmed they go to a model called quality life years.
In complete overwhelm situations they try and save as many quality life years as possible which means if they only can treat 1 patient on a machine and one is 74 and one is 15 they treat the 15 year old. HARSH but they have to to make a choice. They don't have two machine and insurance companies are no different they don't have more resources to give.
This is beautifully put together! Thank you! Luigi sacrificed himself. I think his various illnesses are incurable so he wanted to bring attention to our healthcare system. I really hope his sacrifices will be remembered and bring about real changes.
The more I find out about Luigi M. the more empathy and appreciation I have for him.💔🥺
STILL A MURDERER
@@aimay374 Selfsefense ist not a murder
@@rinagi9163 What? The dude killed another dude, how is this not murder?
THAT PART, while defense can't find Lost Trillions.
Over 1 million views in one day is INSANE. So proud of u stranger girlboss👸🏻‼️
A defendant that the public wants free and a lawyer that public likes? I definitely want to see how this plays out
Exactly how we would expect: it doesn't matter who's right and what's fair--- it depends on who is more willing to shovel money into PR and Lobbying firms, financially "persuade" people in power and who those in power better relate to.
It will play out like every other case in the justice system. The people with money will make an example of him. I'm curious to see how people react after he's sentenced. Will we have more vigilantes in the coming years? I honestly hope so.
Stephanie stole my content btw
but he does have money too, so who knows maybe his money will win out@@PhotoJeticPoet
I don't think it'll matter who has more money. Some people are saying Luigi's family probably has more money than the slain CEO. But power games will be played. Anyone can guess between Individual vs Corporate who wins. The corporate industry has the government's backing. They cannot, and will not allow Luigi to win the case because the entire capitalistic structure of the country will be at the risk of crumbling.
Luigi brother was denied help from that same health department. His brother isn’t the first or only person who has went through this in America. The greedy health care system has affected many peoples lives and it’s so sad that these companies care more about profit than lives.
Completely agree this system is cooked😭
Where did you get this info from? His family is LOADED, even if they denied something they surely could pay for it
@@orphaxx1254okay but the point of the comment is that there’s ppl who can’t afford it that aren’t loaded
@@valeriarubio6879 the person let it sound like his brother „denial“ was the last straw or the reason why he did it which is pretty unlikely
Insurance companies are like private prisons and we are the prisoners…it’s all about profit nothing but profit.
As a person that comes from a 3rd world country with free health care, im happy America is finally coming together and standing for something
Don't be fooled... the majority in the US today are beyond crazy. They're not the "justice warriors" you might think they are, it grieves me to say.
Same
Nothing is free.
We get charged for admin and thats the price of a loaf of bread . Where im from government hospitals are mandated to give you free health care as a citizen but if there are fees , they usually arent enough to leave you in debt. Well yes we have very high tax rates but we know where its going ..well most of the time.@@Janellabelle
Their Healthcare stories usually sound like a script from a horror movie. Hopefully this will be a catalyst for proper change .
Thank you Stephanie for covering such important cases with such big social issues
Im from Germany and it’s so wild to me, that your health care system is so wild. I recently went to the ER because I banged my pinky toe on the door frame, resulting in a dislocated pinky and a snapped band, got pain meds, a notice for work AND a walking aid - all for free. It’s absolutely wild to me, that people with serious injuries/issues are being told, that it’s not an emergency and they should pay out of pocket
im canadian but i support luigi mangione. its actually insane how prominent this whole situation has become in just 2 weeks- the entire world must know about it by now. i hope the insurance companies and their CEOs take note of this; how tired the people are, and how so many of them even condone this violent behaviour. that shows how bad things are and that something needs to change in america’s healthcare system
Class consciousness is happening 🥳
@@isabele4365 indeed!
@@isabele4365 You mean idiots who don't bother to educate themselves on the issues and just go with their feelings. DO you know what MARGINS health insurance companies have? Have you compared them to other businesses? NO. I can tell not. They are insanely THIN. In fact if you were running a store with such low margins you would just close it. No seriously its around 2-3% now for perspective furniture has margins around 30-50%. If they actually did what people here want the system would collapse in under a day and no one would get any help. So the charge of greed is frankly insane. If you were out to set up a business to make money you don't go into medical insurance, the returns are insanely small.
Also you know more testing and treatment isnt always the best. Doctors often over do treatments to make money, so the insurance companies have to factor that in.
@@LizThomas-dp7srsheep spotted
@isabele4365 look at who America just voted in, so i doubt it
Thank you Stephanie. I work as a pharmacy technician, and it is true that most insurances will almost always deny medications for patients saying it’s not medically necessary even when the doctor has deemed it as such. It truly makes me feel awful seeing this happen. Thank you for sharing this information with your audience. ❤️
My insurance initially denied my HEART FAILURE meds and I'm SO lucky I have a cardiologist who went to bat for me against the insurance. I know so rarely are others as lucky. The fact that he even had to do that is so wrong. I used to work in pharmacy as well and it would break my heart every time I had to be the bearer of bad news that something was denied or needed a PA.
My insurance literally told my doctor they would rather "see me fail on the cheaper meds before they paid for the one that will most likely work." By the time I was finally approved for the medication my doctor initially prescribed, after trying "the cheaper ones,"my condition was so much worse.
“A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy.” I can’t help thinking about this. People don’t deserve healthcare system like this. God bless Luigi
One of my old roommates worked for an insurance company and said it was the most soul taxing job she ever had and didn’t stay there long, the phone call that made her quit was her having to deny an elder lady coverage for a pill she had to take that was $3400 and the lady lived on disability.
this is heartbreaking to hear I'm sorry
What’s funny is the McDonald’s employee who called the police that lead to his arrest might not even get the reward money 😂😂😂😂😂
And they still won’t have healthcare insurance 😭😭 If anything they’ll probably lose money due to having to stand as a witness and not having enough vacation days at McDonalds😂 they went from broke to even more broke
McDonald's funds a genocide so I don't care
She even got fired
How foolish of them to think they were actually going to get that reward money. Womp womp.
The fact that she got fired is the craziest part, like not gonna get the cash? Fucked up but fine she’s no worse off, but fired? Haha ya brown nose gon get ya in the unemploy line hahahahaha
Yknow I really like how Rotten Mango switches out the organization they support each episode to make it more personalized for whats going on/talked about in the episode
It’s not hard to see why a lot of ppl don’t care. Thousands died and suffered under his company while he was sitting there getting richer and not giving af..maybe this is a wake up call for American healthcare ??
The most fascinating part to me is that Luigi leans conservatively and this can't be pinned as an "insane act of the left" Everyone is SO done with the American "Healthcare" System and this has ironically brought us together as a country.
Right not so long ago we were fighting about politics just to be brought together by health companies. We have different opinions but they also bring us together it’s fascinating tbh. Left, right or independent were all being devoured by the same things. Tbh this may get worse as more people are fed up with been oppressed by the rich
This wasn’t political this was humanitarian
Some right wing are turning on him for complaining about prison conditions. (This is why we shouldn’t focus on the person but the situation. Not everyone is going to agree with every single thing someone else believes.)
@@TerryKraft-it7kt how isn't humanitarianism a political stance? This was SO incredibly political
@@ness7342 yeah it's interesting. I've never seen a right winger so passionately anti-capitalist he'd be willing to take this level of political action.
it took 76 days for me to get my arthritis medicine approved. they would accept then cancel it immediately. i’m a teenager and was unable to walk due to arthritis, but i still didn’t need it apparently 😐
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WHAT!!😳I’m so sorry I hope you are doing well
@@shinicejones1817 i eventually got it! and with the meds and physical therapy i’m now able to walk, but need a cane. but now that arthritis is a bit better i got kidney disease 😂
The healthcare system really doesn't like to help younger people because they figure "you're young, you'll be fine/shouldn't need the assistance," and it's disgusting. I understand and I hope things get easier for you.
Blame God for shitting on you, not the insurance company
i lost my mom a month ago because of shitty healthcare. she had molina health and was suffering from “stroke like” symptoms for a month. we took her to an emergency room and had multiple scans done on her, only to be told wait the insurance wants to take you elsewhere. took us to a shitty small hospital where my mom shared a 4 person room. the doctors took DAYS to figure out that she had a stroke.. but then a few more days to turn to wait she looks like she has brain cancer. let’s take her to a nursing home!! the insurance let go of my mom to take her to a shitty nursing home for a couple days. my mom clearly was dying so we got her the fuck outta there and took her to a large hospital emergency room. they said “we do not take your insurance!!” basically refusing to see my mom who hadn’t ate in 4 days and could no longer walk. my dad said fuck your insurances you are a HOSPITAL you take care of people not insurances. they ended up having my mom for almost a week in the icu and she passed away. we have to pay out of pocket. i can’t help but feel if the insurance just took my moms medical history of having breast cancer seriously they should have taken her to a larger, good hospital than a shitty one and a nursing home. it’s fucking gross. i do not care for no ceo. i don’t trust no insurance. i don’t trust the healthcare system. i rather just die than make my family and friends go through what i did trying to help my mom.
edit: i’m so thankful for all your guys well wishes. i am 19 and this whole thing has truly impacted me. my mom was 45. school and work have been crashing down on me. someone mentioned a patreon, i don’t have one, but i did create a gofundme to help me and my sister pay for funeral expenses. i reached the goal i set but i am thankful for any support. thank you all and get your checkups if you can. gofund.me/cbaa937b
I'm so sorry you lost your Mom in such a manner. No one deserves to deal with this
I’m so sorry you, your mom and family when through this. Monstrous behavior.
Agreed, the healthcare system in this country is a SCAM!!! So sorry for your loss, I got teary eyed reading your comment.
Sounds like you’re in Southern California. Run your case by William BERMAN. He’s the best attorney. Start by filing with DHS and request an audit.
Im sending my deepest regards. It’s stupid that you need to pay up more to go to a “good” hospital. All hospitals should be good. Im so sorry again. While I didn’t have insurance related issues, I have experienced shitty hospitals. My grandmother was left unattended (she was not allowed to walk unsupervised in her hospital room) and what do you know? Nurses didn’t give a shit and left her by herself. She hit her head (she was a frail woman but still in her 70s) and she turned brain dead soon after. I cant tell you how much I miss her. The hospital stated that they never left her by herself. Currently going through a legal case and what do you know! Our insurance wants to take a large sum of possible monetary that’s meant for us, for their own sake because it was “use of important hospital equipment”. Im talking LARGE SUM OF MONEY. My grandmother was involuntary killed because those overseeing her ignored her calls for help to use the bathroom, even water or food, medications. I just absolutely can’t with this healthcare system, for our insurance to say they’ll take a grand sum of money like they don’t already get millions through the months.
Thank you for providing such an insightful and inspiring video on what we Americans are facing daily. I appreciate all the effort and time you took to collect the facts, videos, and all the visuals along with thorough explanation of everything that has happened.
I'm not from the US but my best friend is and I won't forget how much she cried to me on our discord call because their health insurance was denied multiple times. Her mother had a severe stroke which caused some memory loss and apraxia (a neurological disorder that makes it difficult to perform learned movements or tasks, even though the person wants to do them and is able to.)
She's like a sister to me so I took out a loan for her and sent her money. That didn't cover everything with how much expensive hospital bills are in the US but I won't ever let her feel that hopeless again. They are raised by their single mom so as the oldest, she acted like a second mother to her siblings. She wasn't able to finish university so she can look after them, do cooking and house chores, and to start working part time to help their mom who was working full time. It was so heart wrenching and devastating hearing her break down but thankfully she was able to pay the rest from the help of other family members, neighbours, her and her mom's coworkers and friends. Til this day, her mother still have difficulty doing tasks but she is getting better. I'm just glad that she didn't lose her mom because I know how much that would torn her apart.
You’re an amazing friend and human being, and she is very lucky to have you. I hope you know that ❤
You're an angel.
That is very nice of you but I’m not sceptical of the friend, as u said she’s from another country.
Cuz I’ve seen couple of friends getting scammed by someone acting like a friend n claiming they r very ill. So they use them emotionally n sometimes financially.
So please be careful.
May God bless you for helping your friend. You’re a real one for that
I was clearly able to make better content than stephanie. And she clearly steals my content for Moolah and I have proof on my channel....,,,,
40:00 As a Welsh / British person with the NHS, this explanation really helped. I have 0 understanding of USA health care. My jaw hit the floor when you said 30%!!
I know the nhs isn't perfect by any means, but i am thankful we aren't stuck with insurance providers like this without choice. I hope for Americans that this shooting causes a shift in how your medical care insurance systems operate.
(I'm sorry if that's not exactly how you refer to these companies, but obviously, you know who im regering to).
Y'all's are just as bad or worse from what I have been told by people who live over there. I have family who still live in London and near the area
@@karentucker2161the UK has better health outcomes, longer life expectancy, lower infant mortality rates, and far more accessible healthcare than the US. By every single metric they’re doing better than the US. Hope this helps ❤
Make sure you fight for keeping your NHS and even fight to make it better, cuz you know those Tories would really love to screw the commons over if they get the chance. Do not become complacent when it comes to social services. Not even with your postal service. They're coming for that next for us. We here got too comfortable not thinking that our social services could get ripped outta our hands and you see where we ended up. Don't let that happen to you.
And keep in mind, its not a random 30%. Its "expensive care" aka usually extensive and critically needed care
The part that people are missing is they could approve them. Their profit margins are tiny as it is. Like 2-3% across the industry. So granting even an extra 5% the entire system would collapse.
Previewing the length of the upload I thought I'd be wasting my time, but you've recapped the events and facts in such a condensed and understandable way I feel like I gained so much insight into not only the case but also the healthcare system and those suffering. The way you tell a story is so engaging. You don't need me to say this but you're incredibly talented, you have like some sort of superpower. How are you so competent?
Very well said!!
She has a team of professional researchers behind
I was clearly able to make better content than stephanie. And she clearly steals my content for Moolah and I have proof on my channel.,
police officers watching him pee himself and then taking a photo of him is just disgusting. they pretend to be upholding justice but deny non-convicted people in jail the right to use a restroom? it's nauseating to imagine how that situation played out and the kind of things they would have said to him. i don't think they realize how they are making him look more sympathetic to the public
“I don’t listen to podcasts I don’t really like them” with that sentence I ain’t ever talking about Miss STEPHANIE SOO
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Byeee !!! Hope you not experience something like those victims who were dead because of UHI .
@@samiyaazadmohona4025 i think you may have misunderstood the original comment - she means she usually doesn’t really care for podcasts, but she would never say that about rotten mango/stephanie soo 🫶
When I was pregnant with my son, i was diagnosed with Hyperemiss Gravidem. This means excessive vomiting. I could not even keep water down. I lost nearly 40% of my body weight in a few months. I was so malnuroused i could barely think. I was mumbling words at times, others i couldn't even hold a conversation. I needed a pump inserted to give me nausea meds... Anthem denied me and tried to deny the pill version, too. I do not feel sad about this case.
Sorry to hear that.
In September, my sister in law was still pregnant. It was predicted that she supposedly gave birth normally early September, but until 2 weeks later, nothing. We're all worried, so we moved the hospital to the private one in the city (more pricey one), the doctor suggested we do caesarean. Cause the baby was big and the doctor worried that once her water dried, it would be even more dangerous. So we did. We're worried about the cost, my brother has the national insurance for his family. And they paid almost zero...though it was in a private hospital.
I'm Indonesian and I have friends who live in the USA, and my jaw dropped when she told me how much she paid for her caesarean operation. Goshhh.....
I've been dealing with the United States healthcare system since June 2023, when a car accident should have killed me, but I was able to crawl out of a broken window backwards with the right side of my body was completely useless. The car caught on fire minutes later, I was only able to crawl out due to my fitness routine and being in the gym five days a week. Between health and disability insurance companies, the entire process has been a nightmare and both have gotten in the way of doctors fully helping me. I've had 4 surgeries and 9 or so different operations during those surgical settings and could have two more surgeries (hopefully not, my last one is in October and that may be it). It's been a tough process and I'm in regular and EMDR therapy to cope and have yet been cleared to start physical therapy. I covered our system for several years, and was hoping Sanders would become POTUS to solve this crisis, but here we are still dealing with this needless horror.
If we (the United States) weren't the only first world nation on the planet without Universal Healthcare, Luigi wouldn't have ever been in the position to do this. Sure, shooting a CEO who willingly abuses the system isn't the answer, but there is no reason beyond dark money in politics and voters being blinded by 'team sports' rather than popular issues that help the country as to why the US didn't create a Universal Healthcare system at least 70 years ago. Change needs to happen now, real people are suffering and many politicians have turned a blind eye.
Yes. Exactly yes. Our country built a system that vastly allows the well off to continue getting the few high up jobs in our country. And the majority of American money goes to those high up jobs. When in reality, we still have bad unhealthy and dangerous job positions that are the backbone of our country, and often the pay and insurance isn't good enough to even handle all of life's needs, plus insurance and healthcare, plus therapy, and still allow for regular leisure, family, and self care. But don't worry, countless ceos and other high ups get extremely high pay, rarely have to risk their lives and wellness and health, and often brag about their private jets, mansions, vacation retreats and more. While the heaviest lifting gets paid diddly squat in comparison.
there is no reason there should be a private industry in a first world country that commoditizes human lives.
Luigi’s act was not just an isolated incident but a wake-up call, highlighting the need for more courageous individuals to stand against the global systems of exploitation and oppression. Across the world, the powerful elite tighten their grip on resources, labor, and freedom, creating a reality where the majority suffer under their rule. True change has always required brave people willing to take risks, disrupt the status quo, and defy those who enforce injustice. Without such acts of defiance, the cycle of inequality and control will continue unchallenged, leaving humanity trapped in an endless spiral of suffering.
I read your comment, and I am deeply sorry about your ordeal but you are still here and that means there is a purpose behind it. Keep fighting like you did while crawling out of that burning car. You are a warrior!!
She did such a great job on this. The brain fog part alone is so important for social comprehension. I have several types of chronic pain and residual gastrointestinal damage from a hospital acquired infection, osteoporosis caused by nerve disease etc etc. And of course the sleep disorders and anxiety related issues that accompany chronic illness. Chronic pain and disability are not simple. They are complex and take comprehensive, far reaching, compassionate care that is tailored to the individual. And for most people illness is progressive - once it begins, it's like an avalanche. Or one of those closet collapse scenes in movies and you are at the bottom trying to function. That's all you are doing every day, your level best to stay afloat so to have bureaucrats tell you that you should experience something you don't or fit into a margin, say with people who don't also have x, y and Z conditions mucking up their immune systems and their logic. Being sick sucks more than being sick. It's beyond stressful and annoying. My "primary condition" is nicknamed the suicide disease because the pain is not manageable. Or rather, it is not managed. That is not okay. Human beings suffer unnecessarily far, far too much.
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Deny. Defend. Depose.
He's a multi-faceted man. We cannot simply describe him so plainly. I hope this sparks change in the healthcare industry. Also, it's so hard to empathize with people who put profit over empathy. I find it so appalling that some people find it hard to choose empathy when they have so much already.
This made me realize a lot of (possible) connections with my brain fog, intellectual regression, and problems in my ability to regulate my emotions in connection with my chronic pain condition. We are judged by doctors and those around us who don't understand, and each time I hear another part of Luigi's story I only identify with and feel for him more.
I was just about to comment something on this too hombre. It felt weird hearing for the first time someone was going through what I was and it happens to be a CEO killer. Just recently got it, how long have you? Even took a bunch of blood tests and doctors can't find the issue
I’ve heard “it’s all in your head” too many times to count, turns out I’m autistic, a difference in the way my brain is wired, so yeah a lot of my issues do start in my head but prescribing me to antipsychotics & antidepressants didn’t fix my fibromyalgia pain or change my autism. Antidepressants make it easier to deal with life bc they dull down everything but making the brain fog worse in the process
Same
I’m an American living in Canada (Alberta). I’ve claimed bankruptcy due to medical debt in my younger years. Now, I pay zero, have had amazing healthcare, and have zero medical debt. My US friends constantly tell me, “yeah, but you pay higher taxes.” Yeah, but you know what? I don’t pay hundreds each month for my health insurance, no copays, and if hospitalized, I don’t leave with a dark cloud over my head knowing the high medical bills would be coming. Universal health care is a GOOD thing!!
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I've heard horror stories regarding Canada too
@@staceysneed9928ya my grandma died last year bc they couldn’t “organize the team” on time for surgery after she was rushed to the hospital and had been there for a week.
Unless you need money for more serious condition. Then you're doomed. The waitlist would be at least two years before you see anyone. No thank you!!
So using the violence of the state is acceptable as long as you get what you want for 'free?' Pretty disgusting take
The phone call with them laughing, just pure soulless evil. I have 0 sympathy whatsoever for Brian Thompson my heart is with the victims of united
I can't thank you enough for emphasizing chronic back pain and the toll it takes, or putting the health system's lack of care on display like this. You and your team discussed this situation the right way and I'm certain there are many people grateful for it. Never thought I'd be in tears relating so hard to a true crime podcast.
Well Done! Rotten Mango is the crown jewel in Stephanie Soo's media empire. Thoroughly thought provoking and so impactful. In an era when corporate media is basically not offering any *real journalism* at all. Rotten Mango is providing more than your general sound bite per usual and gives us the deep dive we need. Thanks!
this lowkey reads as an AI comment but i still agree
@@capybarawarrior1girl they’re just well spoken. people can write well, AI replicates good writing
@@soulsearcher7077 good point!! i’m also a good writer (not to brag) and i get what you mean, esp with professional/educational settings. i guess i was just surprised to see that style of writing here… none of us are immune to that bias i guess haha
One of the nicest comments of praise
@@capybarawarrior1 Really? That's concerning. Where a basic, standardly written comment is suspected of being Ai? It's not. I can assure you of that. I am a human who was just sharing my own thoughts. *Low key* scary. Everything is not artificial yet.
Over 5k comments!the majority are horror stories of families fighting to get decent healthcare for their loved ones while the insurance companies deny them that. 😢😢 So heartbreaking, thank you to all those that shared your stories, I cried while reading them. ❤❤❤
I agree the Healthcare system is broken. But it doesn't justify assassination. That's just sentimental rhetoric. Luigi was giving 6 million from his parents to spend on his vacation. Instead he killed someone.
@@jgarduno1543the man he killed felt no empathy for the millions of deaths he caused just to make his pockets heavier. Stop defending the people running the corporations who would deny you medical care when you were dying and still charge you money
Thank you so much stephanie! You always put the information together so well.
When my father was passing away from cancer he was denied chemotherapy from his health insurance company. He had to drop his health care and go on Medicaid
Here's the twist my father owned a small business of about 60 employees. My oldest brother started a health insurance company by getting my father's contract first. He's now the founder and CEO of a very successful business.
When my aunt found out she made my brother, the CEO of a health insurance company call Medicaid to sign up my father and cancel his current policy.
Haven't talked to my brother since. One has to wonder if my brother ever stopped to think about how many people he's killed because of shoddy coverage.
My sister is a climical psychologist. She used to work at a reduced rate hospital. The lead Dr. said that she would have to learn to word things a certain way yo get the insurance company to agree to it. One person she was treating was living in a car with their elderly father bc he couldn't hold a job bc he needed meds that the insurance company wouldnt pay for. We're less than cattle to them.
UHC is the worst company ever. I was employed by their Grievances Department and was laid off during maternity leave. They said they got rid of my position when I had helped trained the new group of employees that took over several of our positions. This was after I had to file a complaint with the state because during my pregnancy I was treated poorly by managers demanding overtime, demanding I fulfilled certain quotas when my Medical Doctor had cleared me to not work full time, or sit for longer periods of time for the health of my baby. They didn’t care and because I complained and reported them with the state they retaliated by putting me on the chopping block for lay offs. Then they intimidated me to sign my lay off or I wouldn’t get paid off. Right as I held my new born of 9 days. I had no job and if I didn’t sign I wouldn’t have no money. I devoted 9 years of my life to that company only to be treated like that.
I was clearly able to make better content than stephanie. And she clearly steals my content for Moolah and I have proof on my channel....,
@@ville-c4ubro you don’t have any content on your page..😂
Wow, I hope they weren't your insurance provider too. Talk about getting hit from both sides. What an evil company.
@@The_Super_NOVA unfortunately they were. I had to switch my entire family to my spouses insurance because I was the main insurance holder for my household.
@@alicurtis1455 ohhhh my gosh that's awful! I'm so sorry!
As a person born and living in Europe, these stories are simply horrifying. It's ridiculous and rage-inducing to have to go through that to get access to healthcare. It's so very sad. May God make it better for anyone suffering from such situations.
Please europe help us. 🥲
@@Blacktigress06Some European country’s governments are falling apart rn, there is honestly no help for any of us😭
@@aamateur-artist we in southeast asia are also cooked lol we are all so done 😂😂😂
Hearing those comments on the books made me so emotional….Luigi is really fighting for everyone
something that i’ll always find to be equally fascinating and alarming is people’s innate ability to care more about the big guys than the little guys especially if they themselves are one of the little guys
Exactly.
THIS! Esp when it comes to taxes 🤦🏻♀️
Those people aren’t very bright. I’m not saying they are uneducated, to be fair. 🤷♀️
Because they don't view themselves as the little guys, they view themselves as the future big guys. When people think about rich millionaires being taxed fairly they oppose it because they imagine themselves as future millionaires.
@@painttedHyena1974This! Exactly this! The ignorant refuse to identify as the little guys when that is their reality. Explains why 60% latinos voted Trump.
I cried so much hearing people's story about how much they suffered due to the insurance, because I can relate to them. I have a disability that I had since I was young. Insurance company declined many of the treatments that I needed in the past. Their reasoning was "we can't find the cause of your disability". My parents always struggled financially due to me. I watched my parents cry at night looking at the bills. I felt so guilty. The guilt made me grow fast, which also motivated me to be successful. I am not rich but now I can buy my parents meals that they want. I hope lights come to those who are currently in struggle and those who struggled.
My brother had his jaw bone cut into to extract his wisdom teeth (they never erupted from the bone) as pieces of bone hit the back of his throat from the surgery...
And he was awake the whole time. Because our insurance deemed it medically unnecessary to have anesthesia during the procedure. Now he has severe PTSD of needles and the dentist and has never went back. Oh, and our insurance wouldn't pay for an actual oral surgeon either: only a dentist, which doesn't have the same schooling to do such procedures. So who knows if it was done properly.
I work in the dental field now (orthodontics) and have for many years now.
It hurts my heart that insurances tell us that certain children and adults do not have coverage, unless it is "medically necessary." Yet, these people suffer every day with TMJ, eating issues, breathing problems, etc due to malformations and misalignment of the bite and teeth. You're telling me it's not necessary??? And this minor stuff; not even life saving surgeries that are denied every day, leading to death.
Luigi is a hero to the american people, and I hope the 1% learns to fear the people, so they start to respect the people.
"So early in my life, I had learned that if you want something, you had better make some noise." - Malcom X
omg that is horrible!
Well it wasn't medically necessary was it? No.
It's not common to get anaesthesia during that procedure just sedatives. Tell me what profit margins do you think the insurance companies make? They are TINY 2-3% so paying for not needed anaesthesia that also adds RISKS isnt possible. Take the emotion out and think logically.
Also I had the same thing done and have permeant damage and I only got sedatives (like nearly everyone else) and I am just fine. So your brother being an outlier doesn't change the fact that putting people under isn't standards for the costs and RISKS.
"In god we trust" - what god? Do you mean $$?
Absolutely scary Healthcare system, and populace seems to be cool with that because... "we hate communism"? xD
Absolutely wild how bourgeoisie managed to indoctrine average joe that everything that's bad in his life is his own fault and he just has to wake up earlier and work harder, like that's the only factor determining our lives.
Who are people profiteering denying people access to health/life?
This ceo was basically a psychopath hit man.
I hope something will change with that Healthcare system in US because it has to be absolutely revamped
@@LizThomas-dp7srok thats your expirience
@@LizThomas-dp7srShilling for big insurance after admitting you had permanent damage from a procedure is strange. You’re ‘fine’ because you accept this crappy system. It doesn’t matter how small their profits are, the system shouldn’t even exist! 🤦 Whether we receive proper medical care is decided by the predatory healthcare industry, how is that justifyable? Why is our healthcare at the whim of these insurance companies that have zero knowledge of medical issues and are only worried about their bottom line? 2-3%? They will deny more claims just to reach 4%. That is even more of a reason to oppose it. Who are you to say it’s not necessary?? Not every patient is the same. If anesthesia was offered to this patient for this procedure then it has probably been deemed medically necessary for some patients in the past, and the doctor was likely on board. Also, they literally said that insurance wouldn’t pay for an oral surgeon either, so a dentist without the proper experience did the procedure. And obviously the dentist did something wrong. Do you think that having a proper specialist who is trained to perform the operation you need is not ‘medically necessary’? If you want to settle for horrible health care that left you permanently damaged then that’s fine, but don’t expect everyone else to be happy with that
Healthcare in America is a joke.