As a french law major, all our professors told us to follow this case because it is one of the biggest case in french law history just because Gisele not only lived something horrible but said no for the closed hearing, the trial is public and all the process of it even when they played video evidences. She asked for it to be public so that the shame must shift.
The fact that one of the defense lawyer said « il y a vi0l et vi0l » meaning there is rap3 and rap3 that some of the guys didn’t know she didn,t consent because dominique was with them during the thing. He literally played with the mens rea to get his clients away but the thing is that with all the details they should have known. So even legally it’s a super important case for criminal law majors
making the case public is very brave of her, man what a sick dude. I cant believe someone would just pimp out their wife for free like this. I just don't understand what he got out of it, what the hell kinda sick fantasy is he living ugh. This is probably one of the weirdest and biggest cases in any country in decades. I assume they will go after the men who r*ped her even if they didn't know they should have
Thats really brave move, she isnt only a survivor, but a warrior! I truly hope she gets the justice she deserves and opens some minds while getting it. This can happen to anyone, not all predators are into women.
It's sad to see that she had to endure all that for change to peek it's way through, but I'm glad that change is looking up. Double edged sword for a movement like this. I hope she gets to live out the rest of her life with vindication and not shame.
@@keenkee333 Your absolutely right, the more he got away with the bolder he got. This case is even more disgusting then Korea's Nth room cases only because the level of betrayal and I hope this case does change the way the law is worded to include consent. Both cases are some of the most vile cases Ive ever heard of and I'm not saying the Nth room is in anyway lesser Im just saying for the victim the level of betrayal has to be the worst thing about it, to think the man you've been with your entire life has been doing this
Thank you for revealing her husband’s face. So many news outlets blurred his face and the face of his co-defendants. They need to be publicly named and shamed. May she get the justice she deserves.
Fr. Also because they don't have one single problem with showing HER face all over the news. Even with privacy and shit, he still is the clear perpetrator of this crime. There's literally recorded video and audio in which he literally tells on himself. And yet, they don't think it's proper to show his fucking face?! It's disgusting.
As an American living in England, I've grown accustomed to the EU absolutely coddling & protecting their vile perpetrators of horrific crimes. This time, oddly, it appears to be different.
@BereniceAllanPoe I was gonna say they don't have any problems with showing her face but not these disgusting bastards! STOP VICTIM BLAMING ONCE AND FOR ALL!
@@BereniceAllanPoe she requested the waiver of anonymity because his crimes are so grotesque that she does not want him to be able to hide behind her shame. "This kind of access has only become possible because Gisèle has waived her right to anonymity. In a case of such magnitude it is an unusual decision, not least because it means thousands of videos of the alleged rapes filmed by Dominique Pelicot - in some cases surreptitiously - will eventually be played in open court.3 days ago" -BBC
As if it’s HIS body they were violating. Just goes to show they only seen her as his property like she called it she was a “thing” to them. Not a human. Z🤮
Not only that but they never spoke to her. She didn't ever tell any one of them personally she was okay with it. If it's just a consensual kink then you have everyone's expressed consent. They never got hers. She's unconscious, if you "have sex with" an unconscious person, it's rape. Simple. End of. The only exception is when the person has full rights to rescind consent at any point whatsoever, and while fully with it and mentally stabl, under zero coercion, zero influence of any kind, has given explicit consent, and only consenting parties are involved, and consent is excruciatingly clear and not even remotely influenced by others, drugs, alcohol, or natural drugs. If someone's unconscious, you know what you're doing to them is wrong. Thinking men own women is a whole entire level of despicable that continuously gets more and more uncovered by society as time goes on. People still think that way. Men still talk about women that way to their buddies. And it's insane.
They don’t see women as human beings. I bet they miss “the good old days” when women couldn’t do shit without their husbands. We are in 2024 and woman are STILL seen as nothing but a husband’s property.
Most men don’t look at women as human beings we are property to them. Something to own and show off to other men. Wake up ladies, the truth isn’t pretty but we have to face it.
oooooh I could tell you worst : - They say they didnt know. - Some of them said they were "VICTIMS" (yeah they dare to use the word) because they have been "manipulated" - Most of them thinks that "It wasnt that good" / "I stayed ONLY 30 minutes" / "I did it nicely" are defense argument (like, "It's not a rape, I didnt HIT her") - They say they were on drugs (the law say it actually makes it worst but it sounds like they dont know that) - One said "I wouldnt have done it if I knew he was recording" - Some said that "She knew" and trapped them - Some said "the husband agreed so it's not a rape" - Some "realised after" that they did "a bad things" and were "Fuuuuuull of guilt" but didnt go to the police to make it stop. - One of them said "It's not me on that video because you can't see my chain bracelet" Aaaaand others stuff. They're all trash.
And one of the defense lawyer made a tik tok talking about the trial while dancing on "Wake me up before you go go", the whole things is fucking shitty joke. And another defense lawyer said "it's a rape ONLY if the man intend to rape, otherwise, it's not."
@Luna-jo1mc that is so f sad for humanity and men (bc yeah not all men but the ice is getting thinner and thinner) and especially the victim. So cruel.. thank you for sharing this. In this case everytime I thought "oh f it is so bad it just can't be worse" some information come across and call: "oh you don't know s about mankind!". How could she ever trust someone again?
Hey guys, I'm french and I'm reading what happens during the trial everyday, the whole case is horrible but anyway to answer your questions : - Some of them are in jail during the trial, those who already had been sentenced for domestic violence or SA for example but, most of them remains free for now. - The Should we make their name public question is a big debat here, and at the beginning of the trial the list was public. But the result is that their family, wife and kids ended up facing harrasment and abuse. So it's not to protect the men, it's to protect their closed one. Well, at least that is the explanation the court gave. If you have other questions let me know.
This case shows just how disregarded women are by medical professionals. All the neurological symptoms she was having over the years, the declining quality of life, signs of SA, STDs - and all her doctors, neurologists and gynecologists kept writing it off as stress? If it were one doctor, I would call it individual incompetency, but that many - that's just systemic medical misogyny. They all should be ashamed of themselves.
That's truly one of the worst parts (which there are too many in this story). Something could have been done far earlier if they would have just taken this woman seriously. My heart is absolutely broken for this family.
'female hysteria' is always to blame in these doctor's minds and it's no wonder a lot of women want to become doctors or choose to only see female doctors because of how sexist and dismissive male doctors can be
I agree! I got so angry hearing how they just ignored probably so many signs and did not try to even dig deeper than what kind of assumptions on her health they had. A gynocologist even missing that is crazy?! Would there not be signs? Definitely medical gaslighting, just calling these extremely worrying signs, symptoms of stress, is crazy. I know stress can do alot, but slurred speech, extreme memory loss, loss of motorfunction and so on. So many worrying signs and the doctors did not even try to do anything about it..
Same in the US tho. Doctors won’t give us pain meds like they do men, they disregard our symptoms, they don’t allow us freedom of choice, they aren’t educated on women’s health, all drug trials were on men only into the modern age so we don’t even know how they actually work on women and they definitely don’t care about any reproductive health care!😢
As an optimist I'd hope this is more of a sign that no medical professional could even comprehend such a horrible, vile & cruel crime as a possibility rather than a more "mundane" explaination like illness or stress. (And the STDs at least weren't known before this came out which is the only thing which could only have a sexual explanation) However the sad reality is that these aren't just possibilities but things that DO happen, they become fathomable and must be checked. Medical professionals can't be naively opptimistic, they need to be educated about cases like this.
He has to be paying or sending content or something to these "doctors" because why would anyone even prescribe him that much pills of either kind for him seemingly being a fine normal nice guy with no problems. Who knows what they were up to
Exactly. There is something extremely wrong, because no woman who goes to the doctor excessively because she's having so much discomfort and issues is going to dismiss any attempt by her doctor to get tested and find out what's impacting her so badly. Someone tried to argue that she'd have denied testing, when she literally said she requested help, diagnostics, and treatment countless times. There's also yearly tests where women have the inside of our vaginas and cervix examined, so they would have seen discharge, redness, etc. For her cervix to be that inflamed, something was wrong with her visits, because they'd have seen that too. STDs that give you an inflamed cervix aren't just going to randomly inflame it some day, it's going to be inflamed much sooner, there would've been plenty of signs physically that would have to be ignored, and someone who wants diagnostics and treatment isn't likely to refuse testing and treatment. They went to you, to find out what's wrong and get help. 🤦🏽♂️
Every single one of those men need to be charged also. They went on that forum knowing exactly what it was about. Why did they think the husband had all those rules.
not only that, all these men lived near this couple, he managed to quickly find 100 men willing to do it in a very small area, now think about how many men like that there are in the world if already 100 were available in such a small area🤮
@@liv0003 that thing also managed to do that while on the move! even in temporary stays he managed to recruit m*n every single time! everything about this is maddening!
@@LyoNHalit is an ONGOING trial i didn't mention "the list", by the end of it the real names will be revealed to the public,the point of public trials is shifting the shame.
I'm French, and let me say: thank you for talking about this case! We french women are sick and tired of the silencing of rape victims! Justice for Gisèle!
@@sandrafrizzell7682 Yeah, but in France is really, really, really weird. You have a lot of people from the upper classes of society who are still worhipping Sumerian entities, like Baal and Innana and they try to let their twisted practices trickle down to the general public. You go to France, the number of people suffering from incest because they were born into these families doesn't even make sense... People started to use the word "feminicide", only after the lock-down. Many people got divorced or broke up between the lock-down. In France, many women were UNALIVED to the point peole needed a word to explain what was happening. In France, you had had shelters to protect beaten dogs BEFORE you had shelters to protect battered women. Before 1980, r*pe was not considered as a crime, marital r*pe either... You still have laws that kind of "encourage" incest against teenagers. You had a lots of grey areas and the laws don't really protect people in many cases...
Women from all over the world are sick and tired, to our core. I'm a Greek girl and I feel the same. We need more [women's] women in positions of power.
I grew up 20 minutes from where it all took place. It is truly chilling. The death penalty was abolished before I was born, and I grew up strongly believing that this was for the best. However, I’ve since changed my mind. When faced with horrors like this, no amount of prison time or reeducation can change some people. Some are broken beyond repair, and keeping them alive only wastes taxpayers' money.
He didn't mind other men touching her as long as he was in control of the situation but when he finds out another man touched her, of HER OWN WILL, he blew up in anger. Typical.
It’s only ever been about controlling women and abusing women. It’s got nothing to do with “purity” or “loyalty” it’s always been about control, abuse, power, cruelty. They love it. They enjoy it.
He hated her. Because how could anyone do this to someone they love? Their own child too. He’s a very very sick creature. He should be locked up forever.
Have known each other since 18 and married for over 50 years and yet her own husband still pulls this absolute disgusting stunt. You really can’t trust anyone…
I grew up hating men since being a kid due to coming from a family where almost every single male was abusive and/or sexist. Cases like these don’t help my prejudice.
my friend also came from an environment like this, hell i did as well and was SAd. I grew a deep distrust for most men. Yet many men will still think its unfair when women dont trust men, they think its an equal amount of fear and abuse. When that isn’t the case, men abuse significantly more. Doesn’t make the abuse women do any less worse, in fact majority of women i meet denounce other abusive or predatory women. In my experience, men are the ones who downplay SA from women significantly more. That is, if they’re not already downplaying the SA men already do. Its a horrible cycle. I had so many guy friends who creeps, obsessive, and predatory family. A lot of guys I meet think im being a “pick me” or trying to get on womens side or some dumb shit. When they hear about the amount of abuse I had to endure from men, they quickly shut up.
Tbh, most of the young girls experience the same thing, we can safely say that it is a phase of life for most of us. It was never a helpful thing. The hatred gets so frustrating at times that it ruins your own sense of self.
The worst part about these cases is no matter how fucked up the crime is, there will always be people justifying and siding with the perpetrator. Absolutely disgusting.
Just like how Brian Peck was/is friends with serial killer John Wayne Gacey, and was convicted himself, yet dozens of people thought/claimed he was innocent and then when it was revealed he was indeed guilty, they just said “oops, if I had known I wouldn’t side with him”, as if that settles it, why the frick would you side with someone when there is a trial going on and a victim spilling his heart out about being SAd by this man? Seriously, you can’t write long letters claiming he is innocent unless you are sure about it !!
Any crime is like that ,sometimes people forget that not all people are good people , the same way you have people that praise and romanticising serial killers after they kill multiple innocent people just because of their looks, so you shouldn’t waste time with those that support criminals since it won’t change .
It’s like the Lucy Letby case here in the UK. So many are defending her despite the evidence & the guilty verdict. Nobody wants to believe a woman who looks like her can be capable of such a horrific crime yet if I even got *accused* of such a heinous crime. It would be off with my head with no speculation so there’s definitely a double standard
Fortunately this isn't a thing that most men would do. I'd love to be able to say that no men would, but clearly.....there was a whole website full of them. It's horrendous and genuinely breaks my heart that people get victimized out there in this kind of way (or any way at all) -- there's not much that can be said to the contrary, but don't let it skew your view of men in general. I swear, we're good people, the great majority of us in fact. These stories do get highlighted though for the sake of awareness and they do have value in being shared
Have you noticed that the whole letter he sent from jail was about HIS feelings and HIS pain and how he wanted to be forgiven? when narcissists cry, they cry for themselves. It's all me me me
Delete him , go absolutely no contact. he destroyed Her credit, financially, and harmed her emotionally, physically, sexually. dominique a sociopath for sure, most likely psychopath
This case is honestly one of the more horrific ones I have ever listened to. Not only because of the crimes but the betrayal. I couldn’t help but break into tears hearing about the case. This is so heartbreaking! Gisele is a rockstar, thank you for going public with this
The sickest thing is there are some people defending this man's actions by saying this was some type of kink the couple had. It's genuinely terrifying how a lot of people don't know what consent is.
people really never considers the meaning of consent and how important it is, they just see one of the partner doing it and assume that the other one is fully committed like holy shit..
The fact that he knew more than 70 other men who were willing to participate in this and did not go to authorities at any point in ten years proves women who chose the bear were not wrong.
The town's mayor, Louis Bonnet said in regards to this case "after all, no one died" and that it could've been far "more serious" and that "no children were involved" He was forced to apologize for his comments after social media outrage.
My stepfather put cameras in my room and bathroom over the summer and I feel so much for Caroline. It’s like a violation from beyond your worse nightmares, and it probably feels so much worse being her bio father. I couldn’t imagine it being so long, I caught mine early on but I feel so much for Caroline.
It's really disturbing that he also secretly filmed/took photos of his daughter and daughters-in-law. If they hadn't caught him, I'm completely sure that he would eventually do the same to his own grandaughters. Disgusting.
Naming a folder “abuses” is disgusting, he knew exactly what he was doing… Edit: for the people who don’t understand what I mean, I’m saying he knew exactly how bad everything he did was ( and the other people involved definitely did too ), but that he did it anyways… I didn’t think that needed explaining but apparently it did
Also, 70% of the men Dominique proposed to SA accepted, and the other 30% is men that refused but NEVER reported it to the police. They are also responsable for what happens !
as a french person, thank you so much for speaking about this case! everything is so hectic right now and the way some people are reacting (like blaming HER) is making me sick.
Right? It messes with the victims head on another level, like who can I ever trust again? Anyone I meet, or am already close to, I have no idea who they really are and what they are capable of... Divorcing and going back into the dating world or just life as a single woman will be terrifying to such elevated heights. Even the up skirt photo thing will be sticking in her mind at the store, at doctor... Besides distrust in potential partners, neighbors, etc
As a young French woman, the case has been haunting my life since the beginning of the trial and I'm not the only one. Many of us have started becoming even more sucpicious of every man we encounter on a daily basis. I talked about it with my mom, she said to be careful not to become too suspicious. "When I think about my male colleagues for example, I know them pretty well and they're respectable men." "No mom, that's the thing, you don't know that for sure. You don't know who these men really are. Gisèle had no idea who her husband really was." La honte doit changer de camp. ✊️
C’est désolant au plus au point et révoltant de devoir faire ce constat et apprendre à se méfier…se rappeler au fil des affaires que ça pourrait être nous et venant de quelqu’un de proche de nous.. tant que ces profils s’en sortent incognito et sont sûrs de ne pas se faire attraper, aucun ne laisserait paraître ou soupçonner ces déviances au mieux mais crimes atroces et complices en réalité .. 1/3 le ferait ça fait froid dans le dos, peut on seulement espérer élever les prochaines générations d’hommes avec de plus saines mentalités et de l’empathie pour les individus autour d’eux (donc des inconnus) et avant tout les femmes toujours victimes, si on constate qu’ils n’hésitent même plus a sacrifier leur propre chair et sang à subir des pareilles horreurs ..?! Et au procès ils ont l’abjecte stratégie de ne pas reconnaître avant que les images et preuves (s’ils n’y en avait pas ce serait peine perdue ) ne laissent plus place au doute et encore là l’outrecuidance dégueulasse de se justifier alors qu’ils ont cherché à violer une victime sur un forum qui très explicitement regroupe uniquement ce genre de crime !? Aucun remords aucune honte juste gênés d’être obligés d’apparaître en public pour cette broutille, une erreur dont ils se seraient bien passé maintenant qu’ils ont été chopés… quels monstres tous autant qu’ils sont, complices et se soutenant mutuellement dans leurs agissements d’une misogynie rarement atteinte … comment prétendre que la société se gère et peut continuer d’avancer avec ces criminels en liberté dans nos villes au quotidien
@@cosmok2923 in the sense of paranoia, she doesn't want me to get paranoid to the point I can't trust a single man. maybe 'careful' is not the best translation here idk how to express it better
I had seen the occasional news report on tv of this case but had no idea just how depraved the husband was and just how brave, inspirational, courageous, dignified and powerful Gisele and her daughter and family are to allow us into their story. Gisele should be bestowed every medal or title or honour possible.
its the fact that over 10 years, 72 men showed up and NOT ONE showed up and said, “i’m not here to take advantage of your wife, i’m here with the cops”
@@FeelTehPOWA no unfortunately not just France Ur right. Tho sum societies more prone to this stuff. I've been living in France for to long to know there's a societal problem that makes it possible for these things to happen here. Spain has really stepped up feminist laws in recent years. I live there as well half of the year and the difference in mentality is huge. Spain is way more tough against rapists and such. France still got this Hush Hush mentality. Impunity culture and laxist law system. Almost to the absurd. Even now they trying to make the perpetrator Dominique into a victim. At some point one has to draw the line and quit empathising with serial rapists for the sake of the whole society. It's really sick if you ask me honestly.
What are you expecting? This is a dark web site, so only people who wanted that specifically would go there. All of the people who viewed that had already probably raped someone before. I can imagine that those who refused did so because she was on the older side, not out of any moral obligation.
It's the 70+ men who agreed to this. It's the men who were asked to participate, weren't interested, and didn't go to the police. It's this monster doing all these horrible things to all the women in his life while acting as if he was a good person. It's the people lack of empathy and the comments online. All of it terrifies me
I think most good men men wouldn’t be in these type of spaces in the first place,anyone that is even looking for something like that in the first place is not a good person ,so those men that are in this circle are not good people so I am not surprised that none of them have actually called the police
If anyone is interested, the video that led to the arrestation of Dominique Pelicot has been released. The one from the supermarket, it's on the Paris Match channel. For all the non French speakers, you can see him film under several women skirts but then the vigil sees him and immediatly stops him. He tells him not to move and that he's going to call the police. He then proceeds to ask the women if they want to press charges. I really appreciate that he stood up and not just ignored it.
@@_chatjin The youtube page is Paris Match. The name of the video: "Exclusif : les images d'interpellation de Dominique Pelicot quand il filmait sous les jupes".
If he got 450 pills prescribed to him in a year, if he took one every night, thats still 85 too many and considering what the pills were used for, the doctor may have visited Gisele...
You know, the French seem to pride themselves on how enlightened and cultured they are, but this man is facing only 20 years in prison for many, many sexual assaults, drugging someone over and over, posting images of naked women on the internet without their consent (they didn't even know the images existed). How is that only 20 years in jail. It is the height of misogyny that he is only facing 20 years, and the French should all be ashamed of that.
Unfortunately in France it's the max you can face in prison. For every. single. case. And I think that's disgusting for cases like that where they clearly have to stay and DIE in jail
@@gayng8119 What if he is also found guilty of that murder he is accused of with the DNA evidence? Would that be 20 more years . . . or not? I can see a 20 year maximum for "a" rape (singular), but for a serial rapist and druggist like this guy? Drugging someone unconscious and then doing anything to them (which by definition is without their consent( should be a separate offense with a serious sentence as well; this is a clear gap in their laws. Shameful.
@@7thlady Don't know exactly about French law, but if found guilty of different crimes you probably get the sentence for the worst crime where in the judgement they take into account the other crimes.
Giselle Pelicot is an example for every victim of SA everywhere. She telling that the shame has to change sides and showing so much dignity and elegance when all the cameras are on her because of such a terrible experience. She truly is an inspiration
Almost 50 other women now have to deal with the fact that they are married/ with a rapist. But at least they know now. Because he could get the idea to drug you and do the same.
Considering these mens' fantasies for unconscious women, there's probably a high chance some of those women are discovering they were SAed too. If not by strangers then by their own spouse.
...and the wives will likely keep their rapist$$man in her home paying her bills. I live in North Carolina...a school teacher told me it is standard for a woman with aman paying her bills to look the other way. Mothers admits wives hide behind religions to stay with rapists men...i bet the wives stay...women are half the rape problem women face.
I'm a 62 year old woman. It's been my observation that many, many men are dismissive of women and tend to take a man's word more seriously. Therefore, even though it disgusts me to my core, it doesn't surprise me that these guys thought that all they needed was the husband's permission. This also is something that needs to change across all sectors of society (women not being listened to and being dismissed).
@@slowyourroll1146 nah, that's an extreme approach. Not all men are like this, and yes enough are for women to have more than legitimate reasons to be wary, but it's not like every man is like this POS. If you go thinking that way, the only solution is eternal isolation from any man. And that's no solution, that's panic and even distorted thinking that would require psychological assistance
As a French person I think you did a very good job at summarizing that case. You'd think a man drugging his wife and inviting men over to SA her is awful enough, but there's so much more. The scariest part being that he easily found 70+ men to assault an unconscious woman, and more men who agreed to let him do the same to their wives... so, not all men, but a lot of men. I hope these guys never get a day of peace again.
even the men contacted who refused to do it, still didn't report him to any authorities... and now they must be patting themselves on their back for not getting caught.
I think one of the unspoken heroes of this story is the supermarket security guard. He’s the one who found out the asshole was filming. After that, he pushed for the women to press charges. It’s because a case was opened that the monster’s devices could be reviewed by the police.
@emmacouffon2450 Actually here in France that security guard as well as the policeman who decided to do some checking are hailed as competent heroes. And the women he was filming in the supermarket weren't going to press charges but the security officer pressed them on. They are very glad they did and they will go to Gisèle 's trial to support her.
shhh you can't say out loud in these comments that men actually were helpful and most of them are good! The misandrists that piled up below this video will get triggered.
Wow. When you said that in her book, Caroline said that in traumatic events we remember one small thing, it hit me so hard. My mom had to tell my brother & I on November 22,2004 that my dad committed suicide. The thing that is completely ingrained in my mind about that day is how warm & sunny it was for a November day, & the sky was a very clear blue. She's exactly right.
The older I get as a woman, the more I realize how little society has grown. Many men out there still view women as play-things instead of fellow human beings.
I've seen comments like that floating around. It seems this atrocity was able to happen in the first place because of how society views women. We need to work harder to change that, and hold abusive men accountable.
@@ARedMagicMarker Some will always. As a man, I find this disgusting. Yes, sex is an instinctual drive in everyone... but we have conscious thought. To me, men who can't control their impulses and temper them with respect and consent.. those animals are worse than the dogs they call best friends.
It’s not just women it is anyone that is vulnerable and weaker. What is it about the male biology that is prone to violence, abuse, power plays. It’s disgusting and mothers should really pay attention how they raise their boys as little Gods walking around with all that gender privilege. There are cultures that regards boys as little princes
The security guy at mall is the one who actually got this case rolling. Without him nothing would've happened. Y'all should check out the video he made. He was the one telling the women at the mall to file a police report. He insisted. The women that were filmed up skirt didn't really care. But the security guy insisted they file a report.
@@Justice4Mica I can't post links here I think but it was uploaded on TH-cam 4 days ago by LeParisien under the title : video de l'interpellation de Dominique P
I agree with you. The bravery of both mother and daughter is so whorthy and deserving of the ultimate award “The Pulitzer”. As this story horrible as it is should be shared worldwide and it isn’t. These are the 2 bravest women alive. My prayers are with the family.❤
*The fact that you translated that book PAGE BY PAGE from French. People have no idea how hard that would have to be and time consuming? The way you tell a story is truly captivating.* 💙♥️🧡💚
"She wants the shame to change sides so it's no longer on the victim, but the shame should be with the perpetrators." This made me start bawling. As a victim, this statement impacted me so much. I'm listening to this at work, and i just broke down when Stephanie said that. I had to take a minute to recollect myself. I want to be able to not feel shame for what was done to me.
I avoided this story but finally watched it last night Im so glad I did. what an outrage and Im so proud of this family for not hiding this extremely important story Thank you Stephanie and Mr Mango. I certainly hope the prescribing Doctor is also held accountable in this horrific CRIME
I think the craziest part is that they only caught him because he was taking photos up someone's skirt. If he only did the drugging, they may have never found out.
Lol 😂😂😂😂 as a woman I can’t even fall asleep 😴 next to a strange man. I don’t even know how women pick up & go home with strangers from club, internet, bars etc. Women are so brave!
I am French and this story is going all over tv. It so weird to have been married to someone that ended by selling you to strangers. This Woman is so strong and we all think in France that she will probably change the law about r*pe and prox3neti2m. We do all support her. Like she said during the procedure " La honte doit changer de côté " "shame must change sides" which means that victims don't have to be ashamed.
I went on twitter and found men shaming Gisèle saying she betrayed her husband and men in the comments of that post saying women bring it upon themselves. It was disgusting and it made me cry, how could men like that claim to love their mother or look at their female kin. This is why I’m uncomfortable around men because of mitches like Dominique and men who defend and agree with him.
Gynecologists gaslighting her is crazyy even if you are married people cheat and you could have something passed back to you? I feel like American gynos are more cognizant of that. Just all around terrifying but that really stuck out to me.
It’s just so crazy how a lot early licensee gynecologist couldn’t realize that something was wrong. If she was getting assaulted every day for 10 years it would show. Shame on the “gynecologist”
there is a whole documentary about how bad French genos are not only they are ignorant and stupid but they are very evil its like they try to keep you in pain ( epically the male ones )
The fact that for an older woman they do Pap smear and they didn’t notice or said anything about her swollen cervical area is suspicious, but I’ve been in long term relationships and every time I get a check up they ask me if I want a std test and I always say no because I know myself and I feel like I know my partner but if they tell me anything unusual about my genital area, I’m asking for an std test asap but it seems like they never even actually checked and if they noticed something they never said anything
Because of the way rap3 is defined legally in France, the defense is trying to argue that the r@pists didn’t know she wasn’t consenting and since there wasn’t any force, threat or surprise used, it’s not really rap3. Even though the group chat the husband used was called "à son insu" which means to do something to someone without the person knowing it. They all knew exactly what they were doing. Some netizens are doubting Gisèle, even after Dominique confessed to everything, even after the thousands of pictures and videos in evidence. It’s such a dreadful case, everyone is hoping law changes will be made in consequences. 20 years is not nearly enough. Thank you Stephanie for covering this case with so much accuracy and compassion as always.
It should be argued that the men SHOULD have received a consent from her before the video. Since they didn’t, they SHOULD have assumed something’s not right. And the fact that they had to come at night when she is sleeping, they had to do things so she wouldn’t wake up, she lied there blanked out etc, it should have rung alarm bells in their head.
@@blueshoes5145that's because they knew what they were doing was not consensual they were super careful not to get caught by preparing for it ahead of time ,planing their trip ,the time ,their parking, not being caught on the neighbors cameras and whispering throughout those videos to not wake her up, it was premeditated rape
Precisely, the way they found her online to be their victim was via a very explicitly described context, no misunderstanding possible honestly, why isn’t that enough to prove they were set on committing this crime ??!!
Oh my gosh, I'm so sick. My ex drugged me a number of times. I caught him sexually abusing our son and the sexual abuse hotline said, if this is the first time, we don't list it.
“If this is the first time we don’t list it”?!?! Are the people effin for real?!?! It terrifies me how much our system doesn’t take these things with the utmost urgency. I’m so sorry 😿 I hope you and your son are safe 😿🫂
The scariest part is that just a year earlier, I learned of another man 11k kilometers away from France doing the same thing to his wife. 2 separate cases, 2 different races, 2 different victims, but the same abuse. I’m scared for women everywhere. Women need to start having these “worst case scenario” conversations with each other to stay vigilant. This is so heart-breaking. I hope Gisele can prevail and her soul will be healed in due times.
Too many women are too busy defending men and screaming “not all men” for them to actually think about these things or even having these sort of conversations. They never pay attention until it’s happening to them. I pray that God protects all women around the world 🙏🏿🙏🏿
@@deniseengle4269 it was reported by Stepahnie as well! It’s on this Chanel. I believe it’s titled something along the line of “betrayed by husband for 8 years” or something like that. You should watch that one, it’s chilling.
@@KLTer-jo9jy My friends used to called me “crazy” because I investigate any new man that would come into my life especially before I met my husband when I was single. Like I have a system (I live in the US): I first check for any marriage records, custody arrangements, permanent / long term restraining orders. Then I’ll make sure to check whether he is actually employed where he said he is. Crosscheck his name against the Megan’s list. And checked Zillow to make sure the house he’s residing is actually under his name as he claims and some history. And having grown up with boys, and having guy best friends, there was this one thing I snooped on him based on my guy friends’ advice and it was non-negotiable: His 🌽 preference, frequency, and whether or not he pays for material and how much/ how often does he pay. I used to be against this, I thought it was TOO personal, but it was my GUY FRIENDS that were adamant that I find out because it could reveal to me A LOT about a man, and whether or not I’ll be safe and be able to raise children with this man. Then I ignored the red flags once, the guy turned out to be an ab*sive POS. And when I met my now-husband, he passed all the checks, and he was not upset at all (unlike most men I’ve dated that would turn it around on me) and he said he understands that I was worried about my safety and he has a younger sister so he gets it. I wish someday I’d have the energy, the time and grow the balls to start advocating online for women to perform basic safety checks on men. Especially for single mothers to perform checks on new men to protect them and their children from predators. In most States in America, as long as you know where to look, plenty of information are public records and they are public records for a reason! I want to look into hidden cameras and see how ethical it is, and look into risk v rewards and I would love to come back and let you know about what I find out/ concluded ❤️
"one of the perpetrators was HIV positive and he SAed her six times" He let men with STDs SA her with no protection. Wtaf Poor woman She deserves justice
And absolutley no regard to her safety and health and not even a second thought to what could happen knowing that he was infected. Plus all the drugs he was giving her he could have killed her just by the drugs. It's so sick.
The fact a father tried to get the firefighter to come to his house and SA his 15yr old daughter says a lot and he had over 700 material of CP they are truly disgusting and immoral people I hope Gisèle gets the justice she deserves 😔
Thank you for your presentation of this case. It is beyond horrific and you are giving it the emotional dignity it deserves. Thank you for NOT using a horrible AI generated narrator. Your delivery shares the pain and horror these victims have endured and hopefully more people will hear and rise up to fight for justice!
I couldnt even imagine how painful that must have been for her. Like the inflammation and irritation from constantly being raped must have been unbearable. And the pain from the infections. And then to simply be told "its your fault, you need to relax." Not a single man on earth would have been dismissed like that for anything.
The sedatives were acting as a muscle relaxant so hopefully she won't have had the same level of internal injuries as if she was conscious and resisting. She probably would have gotten suspicious if she kept blacking out then waking up with severe genital pain and bleeding.
@@huniebeee Yeah. It's a super sensitive part of the anatomy for anything to be going wrong. I'm so glad that they were able to cure her infections and she didn't get HIV.
@@AstraeaJustice More like obsessive-compulsive disorder with a mix of misogyny. Psychopaths don't waste time on hurting women, they just waste time and at worst gonna join a gang to die faster. Psychopathy is more like late stage autism and it shows through motoric issues and facial expriessions. The guy looks like a neurotypical getting high or drunk with friends for too long and developping a disorder that makes him seek dopamine via fetishes to atone for less stimulation after all those parties. Don't do drugs kids, you'll lose half a brain and everything you worked for, just like that guy.
ALWAYS THE BEAR. When even the person who vows to love and protect you turns out to be absolutely vile and evil and puts you through excruciating prolonged trauma, it's a no brainer.
Exactly, its sad that my sisters need to warn these to my nieces. Always share the current news of children being SA by people who are close to them... In my time there are zero warning, and all of us shamed by it, only shared the stories when we grew up
Him saying his daughter wasn’t his type immediately solidified that he raped his daughter. I almost see the things he denies as things he’s, for some reason, too embarrassed to admit?
"My daughter isn't my type" is an absolutely batshit crazy fucked up thing to say. He definitely did something to her. My heart goes out to all women hurt by him.
Hi, Stephanie, I'd like you to cover this case from Spain. Several important business men raped girls aged 14-17 for years, but because the trial didn't happen until 10 years later the men won't go to prison and at least one has died because now they're in their 70, 80, 90s. It was a prostitution ring taking advantage of vulnerable and poor girls. Please, we need coverage of this case, justice must be made💜
a few additional things i’d like to talk about: - the reason the girls who were being filmed under the skirt by dominique pélicot reported the event is thanks to a security agent. the video of him filming under the skirts has been published by Paris Match and in it, you can hear the security agent say: “your phone takes good shots! (to dominique pélicot). he was filming under your dress!” (to one of the girls, who then responds “no, no, no” (she did not believe he was doing that at this point). the agent responded by saying “yeah, yeah, yeah, are you going to file a complaint? he was filming under your dress, the phone like that, just now. are you going file a complaint?” (his tone suggests he is pressuring them to confirm they will do so). we can then hear someone in the agent’s walkie-talkie say “that makes four clients”, as in female clients that had been filmed, yet in the video he was “only” recording two girls, the other ones were filmed a few minutes before he was caught. one of the girls who was being filmed said “is that true?”, in disbelief, and the agent continued talking, saying “i’m not here to have fun, we’ve been following him with the camera, he’s done that four times! go on, (he said “allez” which is a french interjection that, in this context, is basically a threat meaning he doesn’t want to see dominique pélicot any additional second in the supermarket) police! to the police, now!” (dominique pélicot then tries to move). the agent tells him “you’re staying here, you! you’re not going anywhere.” to one of the girls again: “madame, i’m counting on you to sue him. he was filming under your dress. go on, to the police! you’re calling them right now for me! and the other clients? (the other women that had been filmed) fuck, we should’ve gone and found them. there are three others.” to dominique pélicot again: “you’re a disgusting pig, you, really. yeah, you’re a disgusting pig! (pause) you’re in luck, i swear, had it been my mother, i would’ve ripped your head off. we’re going to wait for them (the police) in the arraignment room.” (he then takes the phone away from dominique pélicot and talks to the girls). “madame, how are we going to proceed now? i’m going to let you finish grocery shopping, i’m taking your contact details and i’ll call you back as soon as the police are here so you can file a complaint. because right now you must go on with the procedure until the end. this type of behaviour, it’s… (he sighs). he wasn’t able to delete the videos, i took his phone away. yes, it’s the third time that he does that with these women” (to the person in the walkie-talkie). a big THANK YOU to this security agent. he acted the exact right way and is the reason everything was uncovered. (source: Paris Match) - dominique pélicot said that out of every man he talked to on the platform he organised the r@pes, about 7 out of 10 agreed to r@pe Gisèle, while about 3 out of 10 refused to. but NONE of them reported what was happening to the police. NONE. (sources: contre-attaque, libération) - Coraline, Gisèle’s daughter, said that according to professionals, Gisèle would have died in 2021 from the drugging if nothing had been uncovered and dominique pélicot had kept drugging and abusing her with the same dosing and frequency. (source: Caroline in Ça commence aujourd’hui, video is available on Ça commence aujourd’hui’s youtube channel under the title “Procès de Mazan: le “père” de Caroline a drogué sa mère pendant 10 ans pour la livrer à des hommes”) - one of Gisèle’s r@pist, Joan K., r@ped her the day his daughter was born. (source: La Provence) - dominique pélicot stated during the trial: “i’m a r@pist just like the other ones in this room. they all knew, they can’t contradict that.” (source: AFP) edit: added some sources, corrected the translation of the video of the security agent catching dominique pélicot, and added the last point.
Best journalistic work ever about this horrific case. I'm a french woman and I've never heard so much about Pélicot's case. Our TV's channels are almost silented by billionnaires owners. Can we hope more content after weak sentences? Sincere thanks from France.
My aunt was drugged by her ex husband but they could never trace what exactly he used because it was out of her system by the time she went to the doctor and got tests done. She developed allergies to everything as her body was trying to attack the drug and literally could only eat plain white rice. She had no idea why this was happening to her until she witnessed him slipping something into her drink.
Imagine the person who you trust the most and expect to protect you, becomes the one to cause you the most harm. I also can't imagine the pain the family is going through, I hope they are able to heal. That man is pure evil to do that to his wife and daughter. He's disgusting. Thank you for bringing us these cases, Stephanie.
This is the most sinister case I have ever heard of. Not only the betrayal from the closest person to you. The father of your children, your lifelong partner. But to know that there are wolves in sheep’s clothing all around us. Men that see women as something to be abused and dominated, as less than human. It’s sickening.
I mean the conservatism is riddled with misogyny and male power..look at the traditions of most countries…you’ll find one thing or another which harms women’s health in order to please the male..especially in Africa,Middle East, and Asia..
nobody talking about this case i’ve seen has brought up how important sleep is for healing the mind and body (like, the most important. sleep deprivation is considered an extremely cruel torture method bc of that.) and how deeply this will fuck up her relationship with sleep - with strangers & ppl she trusts most. she can’t heal by community, and she can’t even heal thru sleep. he put her in hell on earth
who will she go to for support for healing? when she can’t trust anyone? how will she feel safe sleeping to process?? and if she can’t sleep to process and can’t trust anyone to help her process, how will she heal from something so beyond vile?
Exactly, the only one she might trust fully is her own daughter but they can't just depend on each other forever. The daughter in laws also will likely be paranoid and search for hidden cameras, and as for the men (the sons & the son in law) it must be difficult seeing your loved ones go through something and you feeling helpless since the women have to heal on their own 😅
@@jenmiranda13 not to mention i imagine it would be super hard to heal feeling like your daughter/mom has to get triggered for your sake, plus i feel like it may be hard for a victim in the process of healing to help another victim in the process of healing bc neither of them are on the other side of it to give that support and perspective that could only come from a detached perspective, and even then this is so bad it feels like something only a professional could get unpacked
@@jenmiranda13 i don’t even know if they’ll trust therapists enough. there were “good people” in that mix. there was a firefighter. that changes you and your ability to trust anyone meant to protect or help you
I don’t understand why it keeps getting brought up that she had an affair? Or that he tried to say she had cheated multiple times?? Even if she had, it doesn’t justify what he did. It’s not relevant AT ALL
Who was supplying the husband with all the drugs required to do this to her for 10 years? How did this not raise red flags with pharmacy regulators, or do they not exist in France?
It's not that hard to get that medicine, go to your doctor, says you have troubles sleeping, you have dark thoughts and there you go. My sister is a nurse and, on a long flight, I wanted to sleep. So she gave me two drugs that knocked me out.
Some even went as far as to say that the husband was there and agreed to that which was enough consent for them. Can you believe it? Others said she was faking the sleep. 🤦🏼♀️ It’s beyond abhorrent when it comes to all of them.
Of course they never spoke up they knew she was being drugged and wanted to SA her. By speaking up they would be admitting their crimes and get in trouble with the police.
Him saying “Thank you for catching me.” Is one of the most insulting things on his part, he’s basically implying that he was not in control of himself when that could not be further from the truth. He’s trying to escape responsibility, all men like this always try to find an excuse, he deserves everything coming to him.
When you said “and here’s where it gets crazy” after everything you’ve just described, it blew me away! This whole case is crazy and mind blowing!! When I think I’ve heard the most evil crimes, there’s something more evil to learn about! And as one commenter pointed out, what makes this so much worse is the betrayal! You are amazing at narrating the whole case with so much emotion and respect! Thank you!!
I'm french and I'm so thankful you're covering this awful crime, we need to have a court decision that will make man scared of ever attempting something like that again, we as women should be able to trust the man we marry and not be scared of how he can be the biggest monster in our life
La france a refusé de signer un traité européen sur la définition légale du viol, qui comprenait la coercion physique/mental, l'ébriété et le consentement actif. Notre pays est rongé par la culture du viol à tout les niveaux de la société.
@@TititoDeBologay I noticed it's much more effective about SA, at least the victims are much less scared than in Poland for example. Slavic countries are trying to kill the victims with poverty when they stop being quiet, so both the rape culture and the underreporting problem are extreme.
@@TititoDeBologay But yeah, like in every country, the charges for SA should be much longer and the country should just turn prisoners into production workers to stop counting the losses while taking care of prisoners with country's budget for longer than 6 months. It should also stop feeling bad for criminals because they can always go to a single person cell and play with crayons for years, like probably their victims after a trauma.
part of the reason they don't increase penalties for these crimes is because it's associated with more women being murdered over the assault ending at the assault :/
I can't believe her gyno didn't question, considered all her other symptoms from be drugged and blood test. Unbelievable! All those professionals failed her. No she can get some peace.
Which doctor in their right mind would think that her husband would be doing that. I doubt they would find the drug if they did a drug test. They wouldn't be testing for it.
@@amethystimagination3332 I'd say it's why addictions should stop being promoted. It's hard to tell if you're protecting another drug addict's life by not saying anything, or if something wrong is happening.
@@bimbology how do you know that every assault came from a cis man? Like none of them could've been bi? Btw equally as many sickening crimes exist from women. Even this channel covers a lot of this. I do NOT think these victims would appreciate you using their cases for your own misandric agenda. You are just a sexist and btw it was men who uncovered this case and helped her first if you would've watched the video. Go cope.
My mom showed me your channel. I thank my mother everyday for showing me what women really go through and what I am supposed to do and will do to be not even a good man but just a safe one.
@@jareddavis9012 This is one of the things my mother has shown me. It's been a long teaching experience she's encoded into raising me since I was small.
It's weird her OBGYN didn't test further,even if she was in a "committed marriage" for 50yrs. If she was having female issues and seeing the doctor,the doctor would have noticed the cervical issues. The doctor would have done at least a papsmear which would have come back abnormal and then they would have found the HPV.
But the HPV doesn't mean she is being graped. HPV is not detected in men so it can come from any previous sexual partner or her husband. Doesn't add a lot
@@redleeks6253okay, but if she tested positive for that and they knew she believed she was in a committed and monogamous relationship, that should have raised enough flags for them to do further testing.
@@johanabiat most they would assume the husband is cheating. Unless she verbalize that she was assaulted doctors can't do anything. They are not law enforcement.
@@yubelwish Yes, I would agree they would assume the husband cheated. Maybe it’s different in France, but in the US (at least in my experience), the doctor would strongly recommend a more comprehensive testing panel. Doctors can’t force medical care on anyone, but they can and should use their judgement to advise patients of the best way to get them healthy/keep them healthy.
@@Eagle_Owl2 if i remember correctly the judge also asked her if she had any say in the choice of her 'partners' and if she wasn't actually an exhubitionist or sth. Disgusting.
Take note ladies: some men, whether they consider themselves your friend, intimate partner, etc., will TURN on you on a dime when it involves s3x. This case sickens me to the core, but it proves that some men have ZERO loyalty to women...none of these "ordinary" men thought about that fact that they were harming her or betraying their own wives! Utterly disgusting!
One of the daughter in law was also sexually abused by her own grand-father and said in the trial that she never was as close with Dominic as she was with the rest of the family, that she found some of his attitude weird, but she never said anything because she thought it was just her trauma making her see things.
@@muersy6919 THIS! It's so true. The hypervigiliance in c-PTSD survivors is something else - you can spot patterns but then people tell you you're just reading too much into things
Survivor of family-based CSA here, thank you for your sensitive reporting on this topic. I have a friend who was chemically SA’ed by her husband. The scars last a lifetime, but I hope for the victims that they do find peace, and know that there are so many women around the world whose hearts go out to them.
And this is why i never immediately jump for joy when I hear people having married for decades just because somebody has had a long marriage doesn’t mean the marriage was good or healthy at all. This is honestly barbaric and abysmal behavior. He’s disgusting beyond belief.
the fact that they were married for a whole four decades before starting to drug and SA her (it could've started earlier), like that's horrifying. the possibility he was a decent partner for decades and then decides to do it
I feel you dude . Like I have seen it in person in case of my paternal grandparents. Both were sick. My grandmother hated girl child and grandfather SAs few . We filed complain but no other family members trusted us . On his death bed he confessed about all of the things and other family members were shocked to find out he had a 35 year old lady pregnant and had a girl child as a result. We are not in contact with any family members except one of my older brother who trusted me with everything.
@@themischief420 they found evidence ONLY starting back in 2011, who knows what he did before then. they don't start doing this stuff out of the blue ever, there is always a build up.
OMG, this is ALL HORRIFIC! You did an excellent job sharing this awful story with us. I am torn between horror, anger, & full of sadness & empathy for the family. Not the monster, everyone else. As for those who participated, hell mend them. I hope everyone of them pay the price for participating in the ABUSE!
speechless. so sick. this man. I thought it was "only" his wife, but he also abused all the other women in his family. absolute disgust for his words in his letters. Thank you for your work here, this was very insightful, empathetic and very well investigated.
I got thirty minutes into the video and broke down crying. I am a criminologist, I have seen some of the worst cases imaginable and this one will haunt me. My heart hurts for all of the victims that have come out of this case. Not just Giselle or Caroline, but the families who had to find out that they were victims as well. Bless these women for being outspoken and stopping these bastards. I can't keep watching this though, my heart hurts too much for them all.
Thank you for speaking to all of the crimes. A lot of times people speak about crimes in a very narrow way. I love that you took the time to expose all the details. These crimes are repulsive but no one would believe how demonic these men are if all the details weren't unearthed.
As a french law major, all our professors told us to follow this case because it is one of the biggest case in french law history just because Gisele not only lived something horrible but said no for the closed hearing, the trial is public and all the process of it even when they played video evidences. She asked for it to be public so that the shame must shift.
The fact that one of the defense lawyer said « il y a vi0l et vi0l » meaning there is rap3 and rap3 that some of the guys didn’t know she didn,t consent because dominique was with them during the thing. He literally played with the mens rea to get his clients away but the thing is that with all the details they should have known. So even legally it’s a super important case for criminal law majors
making the case public is very brave of her, man what a sick dude. I cant believe someone would just pimp out their wife for free like this. I just don't understand what he got out of it, what the hell kinda sick fantasy is he living ugh. This is probably one of the weirdest and biggest cases in any country in decades. I assume they will go after the men who r*ped her even if they didn't know they should have
Thats really brave move, she isnt only a survivor, but a warrior! I truly hope she gets the justice she deserves and opens some minds while getting it. This can happen to anyone, not all predators are into women.
It's sad to see that she had to endure all that for change to peek it's way through, but I'm glad that change is looking up. Double edged sword for a movement like this. I hope she gets to live out the rest of her life with vindication and not shame.
@@keenkee333 Your absolutely right, the more he got away with the bolder he got. This case is even more disgusting then Korea's Nth room cases only because the level of betrayal and I hope this case does change the way the law is worded to include consent. Both cases are some of the most vile cases Ive ever heard of and I'm not saying the Nth room is in anyway lesser Im just saying for the victim the level of betrayal has to be the worst thing about it, to think the man you've been with your entire life has been doing this
Thank you for revealing her husband’s face. So many news outlets blurred his face and the face of his co-defendants. They need to be publicly named and shamed. May she get the justice she deserves.
^this
Fr. Also because they don't have one single problem with showing HER face all over the news. Even with privacy and shit, he still is the clear perpetrator of this crime. There's literally recorded video and audio in which he literally tells on himself. And yet, they don't think it's proper to show his fucking face?! It's disgusting.
As an American living in England, I've grown accustomed to the EU absolutely coddling & protecting their vile perpetrators of horrific crimes. This time, oddly, it appears to be different.
@BereniceAllanPoe I was gonna say they don't have any problems with showing her face but not these disgusting bastards!
STOP VICTIM BLAMING ONCE AND FOR ALL!
@@BereniceAllanPoe she requested the waiver of anonymity because his crimes are so grotesque that she does not want him to be able to hide behind her shame.
"This kind of access has only become possible because Gisèle has waived her right to anonymity. In a case of such magnitude it is an unusual decision, not least because it means thousands of videos of the alleged rapes filmed by Dominique Pelicot - in some cases surreptitiously - will eventually be played in open court.3 days ago" -BBC
The fact that the men who SAed the wife thought they did nothing wrong bc they had the husband’s permission is so sickening.
As if it’s HIS body they were violating. Just goes to show they only seen her as his property like she called it she was a “thing” to them. Not a human. Z🤮
Not only that but they never spoke to her. She didn't ever tell any one of them personally she was okay with it. If it's just a consensual kink then you have everyone's expressed consent. They never got hers. She's unconscious, if you "have sex with" an unconscious person, it's rape. Simple. End of. The only exception is when the person has full rights to rescind consent at any point whatsoever, and while fully with it and mentally stabl, under zero coercion, zero influence of any kind, has given explicit consent, and only consenting parties are involved, and consent is excruciatingly clear and not even remotely influenced by others, drugs, alcohol, or natural drugs.
If someone's unconscious, you know what you're doing to them is wrong. Thinking men own women is a whole entire level of despicable that continuously gets more and more uncovered by society as time goes on. People still think that way. Men still talk about women that way to their buddies. And it's insane.
They don’t see women as human beings. I bet they miss “the good old days” when women couldn’t do shit without their husbands. We are in 2024 and woman are STILL seen as nothing but a husband’s property.
Most men don’t look at women as human beings we are property to them. Something to own and show off to other men. Wake up ladies, the truth isn’t pretty but we have to face it.
A lot of men are willfully ignorant about consent. They can justify their crimes to themselves if they go through mental gymnastics.
WAIT. The Website was called "without them knowing" and the guys are telling the court, they did not know that she did not know?! 🤨
Exactly, the "I didn't know" defense is very weak joke.
They all knew
oooooh I could tell you worst :
- They say they didnt know.
- Some of them said they were "VICTIMS" (yeah they dare to use the word) because they have been "manipulated"
- Most of them thinks that "It wasnt that good" / "I stayed ONLY 30 minutes" / "I did it nicely" are defense argument (like, "It's not a rape, I didnt HIT her")
- They say they were on drugs (the law say it actually makes it worst but it sounds like they dont know that)
- One said "I wouldnt have done it if I knew he was recording"
- Some said that "She knew" and trapped them
- Some said "the husband agreed so it's not a rape"
- Some "realised after" that they did "a bad things" and were "Fuuuuuull of guilt" but didnt go to the police to make it stop.
- One of them said "It's not me on that video because you can't see my chain bracelet"
Aaaaand others stuff. They're all trash.
And one of the defense lawyer made a tik tok talking about the trial while dancing on "Wake me up before you go go", the whole things is fucking shitty joke. And another defense lawyer said "it's a rape ONLY if the man intend to rape, otherwise, it's not."
@Luna-jo1mc that is so f sad for humanity and men (bc yeah not all men but the ice is getting thinner and thinner) and especially the victim. So cruel.. thank you for sharing this. In this case everytime I thought "oh f it is so bad it just can't be worse" some information come across and call: "oh you don't know s about mankind!". How could she ever trust someone again?
Honestly i really do believe that the names of those 72 men should be made public too.
100% BROADCASTED so the whole world will know!!!
For real… Imagine it‘s a person you see the whole time… How can people be such mean creatures?
They also should be jailed for SA
@@VBoo459they're not jailed!??
Hey guys, I'm french and I'm reading what happens during the trial everyday, the whole case is horrible but anyway to answer your questions :
- Some of them are in jail during the trial, those who already had been sentenced for domestic violence or SA for example but, most of them remains free for now.
- The Should we make their name public question is a big debat here, and at the beginning of the trial the list was public. But the result is that their family, wife and kids ended up facing harrasment and abuse. So it's not to protect the men, it's to protect their closed one. Well, at least that is the explanation the court gave.
If you have other questions let me know.
This case shows just how disregarded women are by medical professionals. All the neurological symptoms she was having over the years, the declining quality of life, signs of SA, STDs - and all her doctors, neurologists and gynecologists kept writing it off as stress? If it were one doctor, I would call it individual incompetency, but that many - that's just systemic medical misogyny. They all should be ashamed of themselves.
That's truly one of the worst parts (which there are too many in this story). Something could have been done far earlier if they would have just taken this woman seriously. My heart is absolutely broken for this family.
'female hysteria' is always to blame in these doctor's minds and it's no wonder a lot of women want to become doctors or choose to only see female doctors because of how sexist and dismissive male doctors can be
I agree! I got so angry hearing how they just ignored probably so many signs and did not try to even dig deeper than what kind of assumptions on her health they had. A gynocologist even missing that is crazy?! Would there not be signs? Definitely medical gaslighting, just calling these extremely worrying signs, symptoms of stress, is crazy. I know stress can do alot, but slurred speech, extreme memory loss, loss of motorfunction and so on. So many worrying signs and the doctors did not even try to do anything about it..
Same in the US tho. Doctors won’t give us pain meds like they do men, they disregard our symptoms, they don’t allow us freedom of choice, they aren’t educated on women’s health, all drug trials were on men only into the modern age so we don’t even know how they actually work on women and they definitely don’t care about any reproductive health care!😢
As an optimist I'd hope this is more of a sign that no medical professional could even comprehend such a horrible, vile & cruel crime as a possibility rather than a more "mundane" explaination like illness or stress.
(And the STDs at least weren't known before this came out which is the only thing which could only have a sexual explanation)
However the sad reality is that these aren't just possibilities but things that DO happen, they become fathomable and must be checked. Medical professionals can't be naively opptimistic, they need to be educated about cases like this.
The fact that she had severe damage to her genitalia and NO PROFESSIONAL thought it could possibly be anything bad
Just being hysterical u know .... the usual dismisive crap
The husband probably bribed them to lie to her
He has to be paying or sending content or something to these "doctors" because why would anyone even prescribe him that much pills of either kind for him seemingly being a fine normal nice guy with no problems. Who knows what they were up to
Exactly. There is something extremely wrong, because no woman who goes to the doctor excessively because she's having so much discomfort and issues is going to dismiss any attempt by her doctor to get tested and find out what's impacting her so badly. Someone tried to argue that she'd have denied testing, when she literally said she requested help, diagnostics, and treatment countless times. There's also yearly tests where women have the inside of our vaginas and cervix examined, so they would have seen discharge, redness, etc. For her cervix to be that inflamed, something was wrong with her visits, because they'd have seen that too. STDs that give you an inflamed cervix aren't just going to randomly inflame it some day, it's going to be inflamed much sooner, there would've been plenty of signs physically that would have to be ignored, and someone who wants diagnostics and treatment isn't likely to refuse testing and treatment. They went to you, to find out what's wrong and get help. 🤦🏽♂️
@@Horikita_.50he has no need. This is just a normal day for most women.
Every single one of those men need to be charged also. They went on that forum knowing exactly what it was about. Why did they think the husband had all those rules.
you know what else is crazy scary in this case ? One man puts an ad online to come SA his wife, and almost 100 men show up for it.
not only that, all these men lived near this couple, he managed to quickly find 100 men willing to do it in a very small area, now think about how many men like that there are in the world if already 100 were available in such a small area🤮
Also all the men who didnt do it but didnt even botter reporting it to the police. To me they are guilty of complicity.
@@ophelieb.1257 not even 1... Non of them had a heart.. omg how much is sex. They are all lame men . U can pay 4 sex. Less trouble.
And likely many more knew about it, in this small town, and said nothing
@@liv0003 that thing also managed to do that while on the move! even in temporary stays he managed to recruit m*n every single time! everything about this is maddening!
SHE IS A QUEEN she made the case public so that people will KNOW the names.
she publicly asked people not to share the lists. so no?
@@LyoNHalit is an ONGOING trial i didn't mention "the list", by the end of it the real names will be revealed to the public,the point of public trials is shifting the shame.
@@LyoNHalshe's still a queen because she rose above the crap manage to pick up and move on with her life so yes she is still a queen
Absolute LEGENDS!
@@LyoNHalYou have no right to judge anything she does.
I'm French, and let me say: thank you for talking about this case! We french women are sick and tired of the silencing of rape victims! Justice for Gisèle!
It's like that everywhere.
@@sandrafrizzell7682 Yeah, but in France is really, really, really weird. You have a lot of people from the upper classes of society who are still worhipping Sumerian entities, like Baal and Innana and they try to let their twisted practices trickle down to the general public. You go to France, the number of people suffering from incest because they were born into these families doesn't even make sense...
People started to use the word "feminicide", only after the lock-down. Many people got divorced or broke up between the lock-down. In France, many women were UNALIVED to the point peole needed a word to explain what was happening.
In France, you had had shelters to protect beaten dogs BEFORE you had shelters to protect battered women. Before 1980, r*pe was not considered as a crime, marital r*pe either... You still have laws that kind of "encourage" incest against teenagers. You had a lots of grey areas and the laws don't really protect people in many cases...
@@sandrafrizzell7682 Yep, I absolutely agree. This has to change.
@@avSCompact I've never heard about rich french families worshipping sumerian deities.... I can't find any sources on that, could you provide some?
Women from all over the world are sick and tired, to our core. I'm a Greek girl and I feel the same. We need more [women's] women in positions of power.
I grew up 20 minutes from where it all took place. It is truly chilling. The death penalty was abolished before I was born, and I grew up strongly believing that this was for the best. However, I’ve since changed my mind. When faced with horrors like this, no amount of prison time or reeducation can change some people. Some are broken beyond repair, and keeping them alive only wastes taxpayers' money.
He didn't mind other men touching her as long as he was in control of the situation but when he finds out another man touched her, of HER OWN WILL, he blew up in anger. Typical.
m*n behavior lmao
🙌 so true
It’s only ever been about controlling women and abusing women. It’s got nothing to do with “purity” or “loyalty” it’s always been about control, abuse, power, cruelty. They love it. They enjoy it.
Males ☕
Al, why did u blur out men?
He hated her. Because how could anyone do this to someone they love? Their own child too. He’s a very very sick creature. He should be locked up forever.
He hates all women, because no woman in his life was safe from him...
There is a clinical name for such individuals. Psycopaths.
He disrespected her.
He hated women
Why isn't masculinity being shamed here? The 70 men involved in this also have a heinous history of porn addiction. Shame men.
Have known each other since 18 and married for over 50 years and yet her own husband still pulls this absolute disgusting stunt. You really can’t trust anyone…
Stay single and don’t marry a man. It’s not worth it.
Nope.
That's why I stay prayed up. God has always revealed to me about the people closest to me. From the small things to the big deal things.
For real, like I didn’t have major trust issues already
@@opinionbytriz Lady Pelicot was a devout Catholic and a regular church goer...
@@opinionbytriz prayers won't protect you from real threats, imaginary friend isn't gonna ward off assailants
I grew up hating men since being a kid due to coming from a family where almost every single male was abusive and/or sexist. Cases like these don’t help my prejudice.
my friend also came from an environment like this, hell i did as well and was SAd. I grew a deep distrust for most men. Yet many men will still think its unfair when women dont trust men, they think its an equal amount of fear and abuse. When that isn’t the case, men abuse significantly more. Doesn’t make the abuse women do any less worse, in fact majority of women i meet denounce other abusive or predatory women. In my experience, men are the ones who downplay SA from women significantly more. That is, if they’re not already downplaying the SA men already do.
Its a horrible cycle. I had so many guy friends who creeps, obsessive, and predatory family. A lot of guys I meet think im being a “pick me” or trying to get on womens side or some dumb shit. When they hear about the amount of abuse I had to endure from men, they quickly shut up.
Tbh, most of the young girls experience the same thing, we can safely say that it is a phase of life for most of us. It was never a helpful thing. The hatred gets so frustrating at times that it ruins your own sense of self.
The worst part about these cases is no matter how fucked up the crime is, there will always be people justifying and siding with the perpetrator. Absolutely disgusting.
It’s fine, they just come out and show us who they really are.
Just like how Brian Peck was/is friends with serial killer John Wayne Gacey, and was convicted himself, yet dozens of people thought/claimed he was innocent and then when it was revealed he was indeed guilty, they just said “oops, if I had known I wouldn’t side with him”, as if that settles it, why the frick would you side with someone when there is a trial going on and a victim spilling his heart out about being SAd by this man? Seriously, you can’t write long letters claiming he is innocent unless you are sure about it !!
Any crime is like that ,sometimes people forget that not all people are good people , the same way you have people that praise and romanticising serial killers after they kill multiple innocent people just because of their looks, so you shouldn’t waste time with those that support criminals since it won’t change .
It’s like the Lucy Letby case here in the UK. So many are defending her despite the evidence & the guilty verdict. Nobody wants to believe a woman who looks like her can be capable of such a horrific crime yet if I even got *accused* of such a heinous crime. It would be off with my head with no speculation so there’s definitely a double standard
@@Omar-kl3xp yess I have been keeping up with that case and it’s honestly ridiculous.
Just developed a new fear:
Being scared of having blank spots in my memory while living with a man.
Especially when there’s no medical explanation for it. I know seizures make you forget gaps of time, just as an example.
@@chinaking918 right
🔓New Fear Unlocked🔓
It's sadly also a new fear for me to never have a partner. Love is real, but shit like this always taints the beauty that so many people have found...
Fortunately this isn't a thing that most men would do. I'd love to be able to say that no men would, but clearly.....there was a whole website full of them. It's horrendous and genuinely breaks my heart that people get victimized out there in this kind of way (or any way at all) -- there's not much that can be said to the contrary, but don't let it skew your view of men in general. I swear, we're good people, the great majority of us in fact. These stories do get highlighted though for the sake of awareness and they do have value in being shared
Have you noticed that the whole letter he sent from jail was about HIS feelings and HIS pain and how he wanted to be forgiven? when narcissists cry, they cry for themselves. It's all me me me
and please send me money
literally! like why are you whining about something YOU did to yourself???
@@Kenleyyah Men.
Sounds like a Taylor swift song.
Delete him , go absolutely no contact.
he destroyed Her credit, financially, and harmed her emotionally, physically, sexually.
dominique a sociopath for sure, most likely psychopath
This case is honestly one of the more horrific ones I have ever listened to. Not only because of the crimes but the betrayal. I couldn’t help but break into tears hearing about the case. This is so heartbreaking! Gisele is a rockstar, thank you for going public with this
Yes its soooo hard to listen to.
The sickest thing is there are some people defending this man's actions by saying this was some type of kink the couple had. It's genuinely terrifying how a lot of people don't know what consent is.
Wait wtf 😢😮
Well there is a kink like that, however that's CLEARLY not the case.
people really never considers the meaning of consent and how important it is, they just see one of the partner doing it and assume that the other one is fully committed like holy shit..
A kink game in a folder labeled abuse? Oh men……..
I knew some people on BDSM comunity and is never like this,consent is the first thing mentioned in their games.
The fact that he knew more than 70 other men who were willing to participate in this and did not go to authorities at any point in ten years proves women who chose the bear were not wrong.
uh u will kinda be killed but sure
Yeah ngl, if it's a black bear, in choosing the bear 10/10 times
Yeah, I'd rather be mauled by a bear than living with the trauma that more than 70 men SA'd me while being unconcious while doing nothing to stop it.
And all close to where they live. It's not that they were from a larger zone. Just insane.
I will always choose the bear. I want to be a man in my next life. I hate how the world is with women....
The town's mayor, Louis Bonnet said in regards to this case "after all, no one died" and that it could've been far "more serious" and that "no children were involved"
He was forced to apologize for his comments after social media outrage.
18 of those people are too high known to "out" without causing problems (disgusting phrase, I know 🤢) so I bet the town's mayor also is involved
Someone died. Giselle. That kind of betrayal is death.
For sure that guy took part or knows someone close who was part of the disgusting assaults
I have a brother in law who said those exact same words to his autistic sister when she was assaulted. Disgusting.
"The death of the psyche" is a real phenomena brought on by severe trauma.
My stepfather put cameras in my room and bathroom over the summer and I feel so much for Caroline. It’s like a violation from beyond your worse nightmares, and it probably feels so much worse being her bio father. I couldn’t imagine it being so long, I caught mine early on but I feel so much for Caroline.
I am so. So fucking sorry :*
my stepfather did the same to me. it’s so sad how common this is.. and men have the audacity to say “not all men”
I'm so sorry love ❤️ I hope you are healing, sending hugs and prayers x
It's really disturbing that he also secretly filmed/took photos of his daughter and daughters-in-law. If they hadn't caught him, I'm completely sure that he would eventually do the same to his own grandaughters. Disgusting.
100% sure
There have been news of him involving his granddaughters too unfortunately..
@@cherylkayleight4271omg😢😢😢
@@cherylkayleight4271no way
🥶🤮😱 ice cold Monster !
Naming a folder “abuses” is disgusting, he knew exactly what he was doing…
Edit: for the people who don’t understand what I mean, I’m saying he knew exactly how bad everything he did was ( and the other people involved definitely did too ), but that he did it anyways… I didn’t think that needed explaining but apparently it did
Thank you, he knew, they always know,he premeditated it every single time. It's sick 😅
Definitely!
Yeah you cant drug someone and lie for years and NOT know what you're doing.
Actually the files are named "à son insu" like the websitde which means "without her knowing" but its the same sh*t tbh
He definitely knew..
Also, 70% of the men Dominique proposed to SA accepted, and the other 30% is men that refused but NEVER reported it to the police. They are also responsable for what happens !
Exactly!!!
Exactly, and they should face charges too.
Not all men but always a man.
@@allthecakeyumabsolutely! I love the honesty of Lundy Bancroft on this.
Exactly
This is heart wrenching. I agree about turning the tables around and shame the offender not the victim
as a french person, thank you so much for speaking about this case! everything is so hectic right now and the way some people are reacting (like blaming HER) is making me sick.
Vrm c’est horrible
Tellement ou va le monde?
@CloudySky_Dwo mais oui ça dégoute
It’s very nice to see you guys speak French❤
how r they blaming HER???
The worst part about betrayal is that it comes from someone you trusted most
I agree but also How r u everywhere
You can only be betrayed by someone you trust, THAT'S the worst part.
Says Heisenberg 😂
@@blondieb91390ableso true wow
Right? It messes with the victims head on another level, like who can I ever trust again? Anyone I meet, or am already close to, I have no idea who they really are and what they are capable of... Divorcing and going back into the dating world or just life as a single woman will be terrifying to such elevated heights. Even the up skirt photo thing will be sticking in her mind at the store, at doctor... Besides distrust in potential partners, neighbors, etc
As a young French woman, the case has been haunting my life since the beginning of the trial and I'm not the only one. Many of us have started becoming even more sucpicious of every man we encounter on a daily basis. I talked about it with my mom, she said to be careful not to become too suspicious. "When I think about my male colleagues for example, I know them pretty well and they're respectable men."
"No mom, that's the thing, you don't know that for sure. You don't know who these men really are. Gisèle had no idea who her husband really was."
La honte doit changer de camp. ✊️
C’est désolant au plus au point et révoltant de devoir faire ce constat et apprendre à se méfier…se rappeler au fil des affaires que ça pourrait être nous et venant de quelqu’un de proche de nous.. tant que ces profils s’en sortent incognito et sont sûrs de ne pas se faire attraper, aucun ne laisserait paraître ou soupçonner ces déviances au mieux mais crimes atroces et complices en réalité .. 1/3 le ferait ça fait froid dans le dos, peut on seulement espérer élever les prochaines générations d’hommes avec de plus saines mentalités et de l’empathie pour les individus autour d’eux (donc des inconnus) et avant tout les femmes toujours victimes, si on constate qu’ils n’hésitent même plus a sacrifier leur propre chair et sang à subir des pareilles horreurs ..?!
Et au procès ils ont l’abjecte stratégie de ne pas reconnaître avant que les images et preuves (s’ils n’y en avait pas ce serait peine perdue ) ne laissent plus place au doute et encore là l’outrecuidance dégueulasse de se justifier alors qu’ils ont cherché à violer une victime sur un forum qui très explicitement regroupe uniquement ce genre de crime !? Aucun remords aucune honte juste gênés d’être obligés d’apparaître en public pour cette broutille, une erreur dont ils se seraient bien passé maintenant qu’ils ont été chopés… quels monstres tous autant qu’ils sont, complices et se soutenant mutuellement dans leurs agissements d’une misogynie rarement atteinte … comment prétendre que la société se gère et peut continuer d’avancer avec ces criminels en liberté dans nos villes au quotidien
this case shows us that sometimes the evil we fear is closer than we think.-that's the scariest part.
You're really not losing anything by being more suspicious? What does she mean be careful..
@@cosmok2923 in the sense of paranoia, she doesn't want me to get paranoid to the point I can't trust a single man. maybe 'careful' is not the best translation here idk how to express it better
To be honest, it's better to be safe than sorry
I had seen the occasional news report on tv of this case but had no idea just how depraved the husband was and just how brave, inspirational, courageous, dignified and powerful Gisele and her daughter and family are to allow us into their story. Gisele should be bestowed every medal or title or honour possible.
its the fact that over 10 years, 72 men showed up and NOT ONE showed up and said, “i’m not here to take advantage of your wife, i’m here with the cops”
Instead there was even a cop and a fireman taking advantage of her. Welcome to France y'all
@@queen84sasha this isn't just a men from France thing :( it's so disturbing for a reason (well... SO many reasons)
@@FeelTehPOWA no unfortunately not just France Ur right. Tho sum societies more prone to this stuff. I've been living in France for to long to know there's a societal problem that makes it possible for these things to happen here. Spain has really stepped up feminist laws in recent years. I live there as well half of the year and the difference in mentality is huge. Spain is way more tough against rapists and such. France still got this Hush Hush mentality. Impunity culture and laxist law system. Almost to the absurd. Even now they trying to make the perpetrator Dominique into a victim. At some point one has to draw the line and quit empathising with serial rapists for the sake of the whole society. It's really sick if you ask me honestly.
What are you expecting? This is a dark web site, so only people who wanted that specifically would go there. All of the people who viewed that had already probably raped someone before. I can imagine that those who refused did so because she was on the older side, not out of any moral obligation.
This is what pissed me off the most about this case.
Definitely it would make it hard and almost impossible for those who like to say 'Not all men'.
It's the 70+ men who agreed to this. It's the men who were asked to participate, weren't interested, and didn't go to the police. It's this monster doing all these horrible things to all the women in his life while acting as if he was a good person. It's the people lack of empathy and the comments online. All of it terrifies me
+1
Truly.
Definitely. For this to happen, there needs to be 70+ men close by that are willing to do this. It's terrifying.
@@EminAnimE1 And their town in south of France is very small population of about a few thousand ppl
I think most good men men wouldn’t be in these type of spaces in the first place,anyone that is even looking for something like that in the first place is not a good person ,so those men that are in this circle are not good people so I am not surprised that none of them have actually called the police
If anyone is interested, the video that led to the arrestation of Dominique Pelicot has been released. The one from the supermarket, it's on the Paris Match channel. For all the non French speakers, you can see him film under several women skirts but then the vigil sees him and immediatly stops him. He tells him not to move and that he's going to call the police. He then proceeds to ask the women if they want to press charges. I really appreciate that he stood up and not just ignored it.
Can't find it. Can you share the link please? Thanks!
@@_chatjin The youtube page is Paris Match. The name of the video: "Exclusif : les images d'interpellation de Dominique Pelicot quand il filmait sous les jupes".
That random guy in the supermarket accomplished so much more than he realized. I wonder if he saw the predator he stood up to in the news.
If he got 450 pills prescribed to him in a year, if he took one every night, thats still 85 too many and considering what the pills were used for, the doctor may have visited Gisele...
Not only did he ask them if they wanted to, he encouraged them to do so. He told them several times "I trust you to go press charges"
You know, the French seem to pride themselves on how enlightened and cultured they are, but this man is facing only 20 years in prison for many, many sexual assaults, drugging someone over and over, posting images of naked women on the internet without their consent (they didn't even know the images existed). How is that only 20 years in jail. It is the height of misogyny that he is only facing 20 years, and the French should all be ashamed of that.
Unfortunately in France it's the max you can face in prison. For every. single. case. And I think that's disgusting for cases like that where they clearly have to stay and DIE in jail
@@gayng8119 What if he is also found guilty of that murder he is accused of with the DNA evidence? Would that be 20 more years . . . or not? I can see a 20 year maximum for "a" rape (singular), but for a serial rapist and druggist like this guy? Drugging someone unconscious and then doing anything to them (which by definition is without their consent( should be a separate offense with a serious sentence as well; this is a clear gap in their laws. Shameful.
@@7thlady Don't know exactly about French law, but if found guilty of different crimes you probably get the sentence for the worst crime where in the judgement they take into account the other crimes.
At his age, 20 years means he'll die in prison.
Theres a reason why the French are hated on.
When he referred to his daughter as his wife’s daughter, it made me wonder if he’s been doing this all along and got her pregnant by a stranger
Yep! A dna test would have been done asap
holy shit... this didn't even cross my mind. that possibility is totally there.
Omg, I need a true crime break because it just hit me that you could be absolutely right. Either way he was evil for doing any of this.
I believe the crimed were committed long after she was born ? I wouldn’t put it past this guy to be open to incest.
the first thing I thought of was this is the sort of man who has at some point most likely assaulted his own kid
Being French, this horrible story is everywhere on the french news, Madame Pelicot is so brave , thank you for talking about this
take a bath french lady
Indeed
When I saw the news videos of this I was like WTF and so shock I literally can't even imagine what she's going through. She's very strong!
@@mommyissueyeah and if im not mistaken, she even accepted the videos of her to be showed in court in front of these men ; with her being present
Giselle Pelicot is an example for every victim of SA everywhere. She telling that the shame has to change sides and showing so much dignity and elegance when all the cameras are on her because of such a terrible experience. She truly is an inspiration
Almost 50 other women now have to deal with the fact that they are married/ with a rapist. But at least they know now. Because he could get the idea to drug you and do the same.
Who is to say they didn't ?
Those are perverts .
Considering these mens' fantasies for unconscious women, there's probably a high chance some of those women are discovering they were SAed too. If not by strangers then by their own spouse.
Most women stay knowing this sadly
...and the wives will likely keep their rapist$$man in her home paying her bills. I live in North Carolina...a school teacher told me it is standard for a woman with aman paying her bills to look the other way. Mothers admits wives hide behind religions to stay with rapists men...i bet the wives stay...women are half the rape problem women face.
@jo3158 How disgusting is that. What has happened to us, women, and where do men get the entitlement and audacity.
I'm a 62 year old woman. It's been my observation that many, many men are dismissive of women and tend to take a man's word more seriously. Therefore, even though it disgusts me to my core, it doesn't surprise me that these guys thought that all they needed was the husband's permission. This also is something that needs to change across all sectors of society (women not being listened to and being dismissed).
Don't you as a woman take a woman's word more seriously? I know I do.
I can’t even imagine the absolute horror, disgusting, and betrayal she felt when finding all of this out… she married a demon.
No, she married a man.
I know. I’ve felt betrayal, but after 50 years? I cant even imagine
No, she married an everyman. It's so much more horrifying when you realize it really could be anyone.
@@slowyourroll1146"an everyMAN" exactly!!
@@slowyourroll1146 nah, that's an extreme approach. Not all men are like this, and yes enough are for women to have more than legitimate reasons to be wary, but it's not like every man is like this POS. If you go thinking that way, the only solution is eternal isolation from any man. And that's no solution, that's panic and even distorted thinking that would require psychological assistance
As a French person I think you did a very good job at summarizing that case. You'd think a man drugging his wife and inviting men over to SA her is awful enough, but there's so much more. The scariest part being that he easily found 70+ men to assault an unconscious woman, and more men who agreed to let him do the same to their wives... so, not all men, but a lot of men. I hope these guys never get a day of peace again.
And that he's the suspect in a rape + murder case.... I tell you, it will be like the Fourniret case
That's a great way to take back the "not all men" pathetic phrase.
even the men contacted who refused to do it, still didn't report him to any authorities... and now they must be patting themselves on their back for not getting caught.
Not all men but almost always a man
Exactement ça...mais plus on avance, on parle, on se voit et moins on est seules ❤
I think one of the unspoken heroes of this story is the supermarket security guard. He’s the one who found out the asshole was filming. After that, he pushed for the women to press charges. It’s because a case was opened that the monster’s devices could be reviewed by the police.
@emmacouffon2450 Actually here in France that security guard as well as the policeman who decided to do some checking are hailed as competent heroes. And the women he was filming in the supermarket weren't going to press charges but the security officer pressed them on. They are very glad they did and they will go to Gisèle 's trial to support her.
@@elizabethaltschull5714 omg can you imagine if they didn't? He would have gotten away with it!
shhh you can't say out loud in these comments that men actually were helpful and most of them are good! The misandrists that piled up below this video will get triggered.
@@beccimahoneplease don’t be obtuse.
@beccimahone and why are u triggered.
Wow. When you said that in her book, Caroline said that in traumatic events we remember one small thing, it hit me so hard. My mom had to tell my brother & I on November 22,2004 that my dad committed suicide. The thing that is completely ingrained in my mind about that day is how warm & sunny it was for a November day, & the sky was a very clear blue. She's exactly right.
The older I get as a woman, the more I realize how little society has grown.
Many men out there still view women as play-things instead of fellow human beings.
True and it's fucked up. Excuse my French.
I've seen comments like that floating around. It seems this atrocity was able to happen in the first place because of how society views women. We need to work harder to change that, and hold abusive men accountable.
@@ARedMagicMarker Some will always. As a man, I find this disgusting. Yes, sex is an instinctual drive in everyone... but we have conscious thought. To me, men who can't control their impulses and temper them with respect and consent.. those animals are worse than the dogs they call best friends.
It’s not just women it is anyone that is vulnerable and weaker. What is it about the male biology that is prone to violence, abuse, power plays. It’s disgusting and mothers should really pay attention how they raise their boys as little Gods walking around with all that gender privilege. There are cultures that regards boys as little princes
It's the effect of adult content that's available on the internet.
The security guy at mall is the one who actually got this case rolling. Without him nothing would've happened. Y'all should check out the video he made. He was the one telling the women at the mall to file a police report. He insisted. The women that were filmed up skirt didn't really care. But the security guy insisted they file a report.
What’s his name so I can find the video?
@@Justice4Mica I can't post links here I think but it was uploaded on TH-cam 4 days ago by LeParisien under the title : video de l'interpellation de Dominique P
Don’t say that they didn’t care, they must have been shocked
😊😊😊😊😊😊
It's not tht they don't care, it's like what the other person said, u get shocked or embarrassed and really don't know what to do.
Such a brave mother and daughter to ask for the trial to be public. They deserve an award or recognition of their honesty and strength.
I agree with you. The bravery of both mother and daughter is so whorthy and deserving of the ultimate award “The Pulitzer”. As this story horrible as it is should be shared worldwide and it isn’t. These are the 2 bravest women alive. My prayers are with the family.❤
*The fact that you translated that book PAGE BY PAGE from French. People have no idea how hard that would have to be and time consuming? The way you tell a story is truly captivating.* 💙♥️🧡💚
people never fail to genuinely sicken me
edit: I stand corrected on my statement
Same here
humans are scary
Exactly, how can anyone do something like this. People are so evil.
Every time I think humanity has reached rock bottom someone pulls out a pickaxe
*men*
"She wants the shame to change sides so it's no longer on the victim, but the shame should be with the perpetrators." This made me start bawling. As a victim, this statement impacted me so much. I'm listening to this at work, and i just broke down when Stephanie said that. I had to take a minute to recollect myself. I want to be able to not feel shame for what was done to me.
❤💞
@@juliesheard2122”HANDING the Shame Back” is a y tube channel, dedicated to supporting and healing for survivors
I hope you're able to heal. It was not your fault!
Let shame go and take back your life. You're worth it.💜💜💜
Shame would go where it belongs!
72 men, 11 years. not all men but always a man
Actually, 83 men. And only 54 could be identified.
Man put s*x and org*sm over EVERYTHING worse than animals
The bear!
This❤ that’s officially one of my new phrases thanks for sharing
why do yall always blame men? yeah there are evil men but my god villinising men is insane
I avoided this story but finally watched it last night Im so glad I did. what an outrage and Im so proud of this family for not hiding this extremely important story Thank you Stephanie and Mr Mango. I certainly hope the prescribing Doctor is also held accountable in this horrific CRIME
“She’s not my type” about his daughter is crazy
I think Trump said this about some females he SA'd
Pedo and psychopath. He practiced seeming kind in the mirror.
Sounds like trump, except for the fact that his daughter is his type.
I think the craziest part is that they only caught him because he was taking photos up someone's skirt. If he only did the drugging, they may have never found out.
@JusticeAmplified the human race has no common sense left no need to worry they wont even consider this
Lol 😂😂😂😂 as a woman I can’t even fall asleep 😴 next to a strange man.
I don’t even know how women pick up & go home with strangers from club, internet, bars etc. Women are so brave!
Yeah, God plays out in mysterious way, evil can't be hidden and truth comes out anyway. It's how universe works I guess 💪
@@sophieobiero-ro7ujit was his wife. Married for decades. She did nothing wrong
@JusticeAmplified The men who's already thinking like that will already have thought that thought.
I am French and this story is going all over tv. It so weird to have been married to someone that ended by selling you to strangers. This Woman is so strong and we all think in France that she will probably change the law about r*pe and prox3neti2m. We do all support her. Like she said during the procedure " La honte doit changer de côté " "shame must change sides" which means that victims don't have to be ashamed.
he didn't sell her, he gave her for free.
@@pooh_berrybear idk if that's worse or better tbh, the whole situation is so fvcked up
@@kiwito. I think its worse
When it comes to freedom, it is always France at the forefront. French women should be so proud.
Exactement
I went on twitter and found men shaming Gisèle saying she betrayed her husband and men in the comments of that post saying women bring it upon themselves. It was disgusting and it made me cry, how could men like that claim to love their mother or look at their female kin. This is why I’m uncomfortable around men because of mitches like Dominique and men who defend and agree with him.
Twitter is a tumorous platform filled with cancer cells of people. So I’m not surprised there’s men on twitter victim blaming her
Gynecologists gaslighting her is crazyy even if you are married people cheat and you could have something passed back to you? I feel like American gynos are more cognizant of that. Just all around terrifying but that really stuck out to me.
honestly i feel like they were somehow involved or compensated by this mf husband because having an affair in france is actually REALLY common.
It’s just so crazy how a lot early licensee gynecologist couldn’t realize that something was wrong. If she was getting assaulted every day for 10 years it would show. Shame on the “gynecologist”
@@jjsnoozed fr the more I think about it the more they sound like a bunch of liars
there is a whole documentary about how bad French genos are not only they are ignorant and stupid but they are very evil its like they try to keep you in pain ( epically the male ones )
The fact that for an older woman they do Pap smear and they didn’t notice or said anything about her swollen cervical area is suspicious, but I’ve been in long term relationships and every time I get a check up they ask me if I want a std test and I always say no because I know myself and I feel like I know my partner but if they tell me anything unusual about my genital area, I’m asking for an std test asap but it seems like they never even actually checked and if they noticed something they never said anything
Because of the way rap3 is defined legally in France, the defense is trying to argue that the r@pists didn’t know she wasn’t consenting and since there wasn’t any force, threat or surprise used, it’s not really rap3.
Even though the group chat the husband used was called "à son insu" which means to do something to someone without the person knowing it. They all knew exactly what they were doing.
Some netizens are doubting Gisèle, even after Dominique confessed to everything, even after the thousands of pictures and videos in evidence.
It’s such a dreadful case, everyone is hoping law changes will be made in consequences.
20 years is not nearly enough.
Thank you Stephanie for covering this case with so much accuracy and compassion as always.
It should be argued that the men SHOULD have received a consent from her before the video. Since they didn’t, they SHOULD have assumed something’s not right.
And the fact that they had to come at night when she is sleeping, they had to do things so she wouldn’t wake up, she lied there blanked out etc, it should have rung alarm bells in their head.
@@blueshoes5145that's because they knew what they were doing was not consensual they were super careful not to get caught by preparing for it ahead of time ,planing their trip ,the time ,their parking, not being caught on the neighbors cameras and whispering throughout those videos to not wake her up, it was premeditated rape
Your comment should be pinned to the top!
people will come up with any way to blame women for being victims of assault, unfortunately this case is no exception to that judgement.
Precisely, the way they found her online to be their victim was via a very explicitly described context, no misunderstanding possible honestly, why isn’t that enough to prove they were set on committing this crime ??!!
every time i think i see the worst of people, i’m proven wrong it’s sickening and disturbing
men . not " people "
@@roxyglow9670Was just about to comment this
@@roxyglow9670It’s not often addressed but you are correct. Just getting worse too without women in positions of power
with the Palestinian genocide, South Africa femicide, and this story, & more including india. it’s incredibly low levels of evil & monstrosities.
@@barbiedoll44 Oh, well if horrible things are happening elsewhere in the world that makes this case okay then, doesn't it? Think before you type.
Oh my gosh, I'm so sick. My ex drugged me a number of times. I caught him sexually abusing our son and the sexual abuse hotline said, if this is the first time, we don't list it.
“If this is the first time we don’t list it”?!?! Are the people effin for real?!?! It terrifies me how much our system doesn’t take these things with the utmost urgency. I’m so sorry 😿 I hope you and your son are safe 😿🫂
But if they don't list it the first time, how they would list it the 2nd or 3rd time since there is no first time ?
Kafkaian procedure.
NAME HIM AND WHERE???
The scariest part is that just a year earlier, I learned of another man 11k kilometers away from France doing the same thing to his wife. 2 separate cases, 2 different races, 2 different victims, but the same abuse. I’m scared for women everywhere. Women need to start having these “worst case scenario” conversations with each other to stay vigilant. This is so heart-breaking. I hope Gisele can prevail and her soul will be healed in due times.
Another case like this one? Why havent we heard about it?
We should all learn how to install hidden cameras to check what happens to us at night, etc
Too many women are too busy defending men and screaming “not all men” for them to actually think about these things or even having these sort of conversations. They never pay attention until it’s happening to them. I pray that God protects all women around the world 🙏🏿🙏🏿
@@deniseengle4269 it was reported by Stepahnie as well! It’s on this Chanel. I believe it’s titled something along the line of “betrayed by husband for 8 years” or something like that. You should watch that one, it’s chilling.
@@KLTer-jo9jy My friends used to called me “crazy” because I investigate any new man that would come into my life especially before I met my husband when I was single. Like I have a system (I live in the US): I first check for any marriage records, custody arrangements, permanent / long term restraining orders. Then I’ll make sure to check whether he is actually employed where he said he is. Crosscheck his name against the Megan’s list. And checked Zillow to make sure the house he’s residing is actually under his name as he claims and some history.
And having grown up with boys, and having guy best friends, there was this one thing I snooped on him based on my guy friends’ advice and it was non-negotiable: His 🌽 preference, frequency, and whether or not he pays for material and how much/ how often does he pay. I used to be against this, I thought it was TOO personal, but it was my GUY FRIENDS that were adamant that I find out because it could reveal to me A LOT about a man, and whether or not I’ll be safe and be able to raise children with this man. Then I ignored the red flags once, the guy turned out to be an ab*sive POS. And when I met my now-husband, he passed all the checks, and he was not upset at all (unlike most men I’ve dated that would turn it around on me) and he said he understands that I was worried about my safety and he has a younger sister so he gets it.
I wish someday I’d have the energy, the time and grow the balls to start advocating online for women to perform basic safety checks on men. Especially for single mothers to perform checks on new men to protect them and their children from predators. In most States in America, as long as you know where to look, plenty of information are public records and they are public records for a reason! I want to look into hidden cameras and see how ethical it is, and look into risk v rewards and I would love to come back and let you know about what I find out/ concluded ❤️
"one of the perpetrators was HIV positive and he SAed her six times"
He let men with STDs SA her with no protection.
Wtaf
Poor woman
She deserves justice
And absolutley no regard to her safety and health and not even a second thought to what could happen knowing that he was infected. Plus all the drugs he was giving her he could have killed her just by the drugs. It's so sick.
Which is another crime (at least in the US, I’m not sure about france)
He should be charged with attempted murder.
Nothing will happen higher ups like this kind of ish 😅
@@aselyne5631exactly 😢
The fact a father tried to get the firefighter to come to his house and SA his 15yr old daughter says a lot and he had over 700 material of CP they are truly disgusting and immoral people I hope Gisèle gets the justice she deserves 😔
I’m at that part now and when I say I was FLABBERGASTED 😲 😮
What is CP mean
Thank you for your presentation of this case. It is beyond horrific and you are giving it the emotional dignity it deserves. Thank you for NOT using a horrible AI generated narrator. Your delivery shares the pain and horror these victims have endured and hopefully more people will hear and rise up to fight for justice!
I couldnt even imagine how painful that must have been for her. Like the inflammation and irritation from constantly being raped must have been unbearable. And the pain from the infections. And then to simply be told "its your fault, you need to relax." Not a single man on earth would have been dismissed like that for anything.
The sedatives were acting as a muscle relaxant so hopefully she won't have had the same level of internal injuries as if she was conscious and resisting. She probably would have gotten suspicious if she kept blacking out then waking up with severe genital pain and bleeding.
@@Draggonny oh good point, still the infections must have been painful
@@huniebeee Yeah. It's a super sensitive part of the anatomy for anything to be going wrong. I'm so glad that they were able to cure her infections and she didn't get HIV.
Dominic was very vocal about how "nervous" she was. He gaslighted the Doctors!!!
This was clear misogyny. He labeled the file abuses which means he knew full well he was abusing completely.
Ofc & he got off on it. Most men are creeps like this.
Psychopathy
@@AstraeaJustice More like obsessive-compulsive disorder with a mix of misogyny. Psychopaths don't waste time on hurting women, they just waste time and at worst gonna join a gang to die faster. Psychopathy is more like late stage autism and it shows through motoric issues and facial expriessions. The guy looks like a neurotypical getting high or drunk with friends for too long and developping a disorder that makes him seek dopamine via fetishes to atone for less stimulation after all those parties.
Don't do drugs kids, you'll lose half a brain and everything you worked for, just like that guy.
ALWAYS THE BEAR. When even the person who vows to love and protect you turns out to be absolutely vile and evil and puts you through excruciating prolonged trauma, it's a no brainer.
Exactly, its sad that my sisters need to warn these to my nieces. Always share the current news of children being SA by people who are close to them... In my time there are zero warning, and all of us shamed by it, only shared the stories when we grew up
Being a woman feels so scary..all over the world. This is heartbreaking, so heartbreaking.
Him saying his daughter wasn’t his type immediately solidified that he raped his daughter. I almost see the things he denies as things he’s, for some reason, too embarrassed to admit?
"My daughter isn't my type" is an absolutely batshit crazy fucked up thing to say. He definitely did something to her. My heart goes out to all women hurt by him.
Exactly what I thought 💯
Or he 100% meant that but knew that she'd be someone else's type...
Hi, Stephanie, I'd like you to cover this case from Spain. Several important business men raped girls aged 14-17 for years, but because the trial didn't happen until 10 years later the men won't go to prison and at least one has died because now they're in their 70, 80, 90s. It was a prostitution ring taking advantage of vulnerable and poor girls. Please, we need coverage of this case, justice must be made💜
that's horrible 😟
Where in spain did this happen 😢
How is it called? Can you bring some titles or links of the articles?? I wanna read it
Oh god, no.
@@Buttero_oparkmainly in Murcia, in the south
a few additional things i’d like to talk about:
- the reason the girls who were being filmed under the skirt by dominique pélicot reported the event is thanks to a security agent. the video of him filming under the skirts has been published by Paris Match and in it, you can hear the security agent say: “your phone takes good shots! (to dominique pélicot). he was filming under your dress!” (to one of the girls, who then responds “no, no, no” (she did not believe he was doing that at this point). the agent responded by saying “yeah, yeah, yeah, are you going to file a complaint? he was filming under your dress, the phone like that, just now. are you going file a complaint?” (his tone suggests he is pressuring them to confirm they will do so). we can then hear someone in the agent’s walkie-talkie say “that makes four clients”, as in female clients that had been filmed, yet in the video he was “only” recording two girls, the other ones were filmed a few minutes before he was caught. one of the girls who was being filmed said “is that true?”, in disbelief, and the agent continued talking, saying “i’m not here to have fun, we’ve been following him with the camera, he’s done that four times! go on, (he said “allez” which is a french interjection that, in this context, is basically a threat meaning he doesn’t want to see dominique pélicot any additional second in the supermarket) police! to the police, now!” (dominique pélicot then tries to move). the agent tells him “you’re staying here, you! you’re not going anywhere.” to one of the girls again: “madame, i’m counting on you to sue him. he was filming under your dress. go on, to the police! you’re calling them right now for me! and the other clients? (the other women that had been filmed) fuck, we should’ve gone and found them. there are three others.” to dominique pélicot again: “you’re a disgusting pig, you, really. yeah, you’re a disgusting pig! (pause) you’re in luck, i swear, had it been my mother, i would’ve ripped your head off. we’re going to wait for them (the police) in the arraignment room.” (he then takes the phone away from dominique pélicot and talks to the girls). “madame, how are we going to proceed now? i’m going to let you finish grocery shopping, i’m taking your contact details and i’ll call you back as soon as the police are here so you can file a complaint. because right now you must go on with the procedure until the end. this type of behaviour, it’s… (he sighs). he wasn’t able to delete the videos, i took his phone away. yes, it’s the third time that he does that with these women” (to the person in the walkie-talkie). a big THANK YOU to this security agent. he acted the exact right way and is the reason everything was uncovered. (source: Paris Match)
- dominique pélicot said that out of every man he talked to on the platform he organised the r@pes, about 7 out of 10 agreed to r@pe Gisèle, while about 3 out of 10 refused to. but NONE of them reported what was happening to the police. NONE. (sources: contre-attaque, libération)
- Coraline, Gisèle’s daughter, said that according to professionals, Gisèle would have died in 2021 from the drugging if nothing had been uncovered and dominique pélicot had kept drugging and abusing her with the same dosing and frequency. (source: Caroline in Ça commence aujourd’hui, video is available on Ça commence aujourd’hui’s youtube channel under the title “Procès de Mazan: le “père” de Caroline a drogué sa mère pendant 10 ans pour la livrer à des hommes”)
- one of Gisèle’s r@pist, Joan K., r@ped her the day his daughter was born. (source: La Provence)
- dominique pélicot stated during the trial: “i’m a r@pist just like the other ones in this room. they all knew, they can’t contradict that.” (source: AFP)
edit: added some sources, corrected the translation of the video of the security agent catching dominique pélicot, and added the last point.
Thank you for sharing
That was an incredible amount of info. Thanks for sharing
Oh my god, the last one. This story keeps making me feel sicker and sicker.
Thank you for this
This is a wealth of information and it’s amazing that you cited sources. Thank you
Best journalistic work ever about this horrific case.
I'm a french woman and I've never heard so much about Pélicot's case.
Our TV's channels are almost silented by billionnaires owners.
Can we hope more content after weak sentences?
Sincere thanks from France.
the fact the firefighter that sa'ed her commited that act on the day of his daughters birth is disgusting and horryfing 😢
My aunt was drugged by her ex husband but they could never trace what exactly he used because it was out of her system by the time she went to the doctor and got tests done. She developed allergies to everything as her body was trying to attack the drug and literally could only eat plain white rice. She had no idea why this was happening to her until she witnessed him slipping something into her drink.
Poor woman
Gosh how he got a harsh punishment 😮 .. thats shocking
What was it ?
Probably GHB.
Did he get jailed?
Imagine the person who you trust the most and expect to protect you, becomes the one to cause you the most harm. I also can't imagine the pain the family is going through, I hope they are able to heal. That man is pure evil to do that to his wife and daughter. He's disgusting. Thank you for bringing us these cases, Stephanie.
Ikr. one's spouse or family member or friends. Nowadays n even past.
😢
And to his daughters in law, and to his nieces, and to who knows how many more women.
I really don’t know how this woman is going to survive.
This is the most sinister case I have ever heard of. Not only the betrayal from the closest person to you. The father of your children, your lifelong partner. But to know that there are wolves in sheep’s clothing all around us. Men that see women as something to be abused and dominated, as less than human. It’s sickening.
This was an example of just how misogynistic society is. This isn’t about “conservatism” it’s about misogyny pure and simple.
True
I mean the conservatism is riddled with misogyny and male power..look at the traditions of most countries…you’ll find one thing or another which harms women’s health in order to please the male..especially in Africa,Middle East, and Asia..
Occult!
It’s about good and evil. Right and wrong. Morals, ethics, reality and now, justice. Trust in God.
Liberals and conversatives fight about who can treat women the worst. Both are systems in favour of men. Always has been
Just like this brave woman said. “ITS TIME FOR THE SHAME TO CHANGE SIDES”
nobody talking about this case i’ve seen has brought up how important sleep is for healing the mind and body (like, the most important. sleep deprivation is considered an extremely cruel torture method bc of that.) and how deeply this will fuck up her relationship with sleep - with strangers & ppl she trusts most. she can’t heal by community, and she can’t even heal thru sleep. he put her in hell on earth
who will she go to for support for healing? when she can’t trust anyone? how will she feel safe sleeping to process?? and if she can’t sleep to process and can’t trust anyone to help her process, how will she heal from something so beyond vile?
Exactly, the only one she might trust fully is her own daughter but they can't just depend on each other forever. The daughter in laws also will likely be paranoid and search for hidden cameras, and as for the men (the sons & the son in law) it must be difficult seeing your loved ones go through something and you feeling helpless since the women have to heal on their own 😅
@@jenmiranda13 not to mention i imagine it would be super hard to heal feeling like your daughter/mom has to get triggered for your sake, plus i feel like it may be hard for a victim in the process of healing to help another victim in the process of healing bc neither of them are on the other side of it to give that support and perspective that could only come from a detached perspective, and even then this is so bad it feels like something only a professional could get unpacked
@@HeyItsAlli007 Yep. I hope they get good therapists for that reason
@@jenmiranda13 i don’t even know if they’ll trust therapists enough. there were “good people” in that mix. there was a firefighter. that changes you and your ability to trust anyone meant to protect or help you
I don’t understand why it keeps getting brought up that she had an affair? Or that he tried to say she had cheated multiple times?? Even if she had, it doesn’t justify what he did. It’s not relevant AT ALL
At the very least, it doesn't explain why he did the same things to his daughter and daughter in law.
Who was supplying the husband with all the drugs required to do this to her for 10 years? How did this not raise red flags with pharmacy regulators, or do they not exist in France?
He would have visited several different pharmacies & probably driven out of area to get them.. they would be over the counter in France
I think in some European countries you don't even need prescriptions.
@@frostflower5555you absolutely need prescriptions.
Great question
It's not that hard to get that medicine, go to your doctor, says you have troubles sleeping, you have dark thoughts and there you go.
My sister is a nurse and, on a long flight, I wanted to sleep. So she gave me two drugs that knocked me out.
More than 72 men assaulted her and none of them spoke up. Truly devastating
Some even went as far as to say that the husband was there and agreed to that which was enough consent for them. Can you believe it? Others said she was faking the sleep. 🤦🏼♀️ It’s beyond abhorrent when it comes to all of them.
even more didn't participate but knew..
@@raxidaydreams Men revealing their true nature don’t be surprised.
Of course they never spoke up they knew she was being drugged and wanted to SA her. By speaking up they would be admitting their crimes and get in trouble with the police.
They’re going to speak up so they can go to jail? 🤦🏻♀️
They’re sick criminals like the husband.
Him saying “Thank you for catching me.” Is one of the most insulting things on his part, he’s basically implying that he was not in control of himself when that could not be further from the truth. He’s trying to escape responsibility, all men like this always try to find an excuse, he deserves everything coming to him.
When you said “and here’s where it gets crazy” after everything you’ve just described, it blew me away! This whole case is crazy and mind blowing!! When I think I’ve heard the most evil crimes, there’s something more evil to learn about! And as one commenter pointed out, what makes this so much worse is the betrayal!
You are amazing at narrating the whole case with so much emotion and respect! Thank you!!
I'm french and I'm so thankful you're covering this awful crime, we need to have a court decision that will make man scared of ever attempting something like that again, we as women should be able to trust the man we marry and not be scared of how he can be the biggest monster in our life
I hope she get justice because this is scary and they see why we chose the bear
La france a refusé de signer un traité européen sur la définition légale du viol, qui comprenait la coercion physique/mental, l'ébriété et le consentement actif. Notre pays est rongé par la culture du viol à tout les niveaux de la société.
@@TititoDeBologay I noticed it's much more effective about SA, at least the victims are much less scared than in Poland for example. Slavic countries are trying to kill the victims with poverty when they stop being quiet, so both the rape culture and the underreporting problem are extreme.
@@TititoDeBologay But yeah, like in every country, the charges for SA should be much longer and the country should just turn prisoners into production workers to stop counting the losses while taking care of prisoners with country's budget for longer than 6 months. It should also stop feeling bad for criminals because they can always go to a single person cell and play with crayons for years, like probably their victims after a trauma.
part of the reason they don't increase penalties for these crimes is because it's associated with more women being murdered over the assault ending at the assault :/
I can't believe her gyno didn't question, considered all her other symptoms from be drugged and blood test. Unbelievable! All those professionals failed her. No she can get some peace.
Which doctor in their right mind would think that her husband would be doing that.
I doubt they would find the drug if they did a drug test. They wouldn't be testing for it.
They should be sued for negligence if you ask me. There is no way in hell they didn’t know she had been drugged
@@amethystimagination3332 I'd say it's why addictions should stop being promoted. It's hard to tell if you're protecting another drug addict's life by not saying anything, or if something wrong is happening.
Her cervix was inflamed @@eileenwatt8283
Not a single std test with all those symptoms.....
The victim blaming is genuinely insane and disgusting here like wtf???
Bots and trolls, for sure, gotta be, right?, RIGHT?!
the fact there's a guy that said ''I saw the films, it was hot'' really confirms that it's too late for cis men. way too late
@@bimbology their minds f'ed up by early age pr0n consumption. Rotten minds
@@bimbology how do you know that every assault came from a cis man? Like none of them could've been bi? Btw equally as many sickening crimes exist from women. Even this channel covers a lot of this. I do NOT think these victims would appreciate you using their cases for your own misandric agenda. You are just a sexist and btw it was men who uncovered this case and helped her first if you would've watched the video. Go cope.
Those disgusting narcissists have no sense of honor, dignity, humanity. Poor wife! May she heal from this horror and get real justice!
My mom showed me your channel. I thank my mother everyday for showing me what women really go through and what I am supposed to do and will do to be not even a good man but just a safe one.
❤️ 😊
Love and respect to you and your mother. Young men like you can and DO make a difference. ❤
Beautiful ❤
You need videos like this to tell you to be a decent person? If you don't do shit like this, you're already safe.
@@jareddavis9012 This is one of the things my mother has shown me. It's been a long teaching experience she's encoded into raising me since I was small.
It's weird her OBGYN didn't test further,even if she was in a "committed marriage" for 50yrs. If she was having female issues and seeing the doctor,the doctor would have noticed the cervical issues. The doctor would have done at least a papsmear which would have come back abnormal and then they would have found the HPV.
But the HPV doesn't mean she is being graped. HPV is not detected in men so it can come from any previous sexual partner or her husband.
Doesn't add a lot
@@redleeks6253okay, but if she tested positive for that and they knew she believed she was in a committed and monogamous relationship, that should have raised enough flags for them to do further testing.
@@redleeks6253"graped" dude. this is a serious issue don't call it that
@@johanabiat most they would assume the husband is cheating.
Unless she verbalize that she was assaulted doctors can't do anything.
They are not law enforcement.
@@yubelwish Yes, I would agree they would assume the husband cheated. Maybe it’s different in France, but in the US (at least in my experience), the doctor would strongly recommend a more comprehensive testing panel. Doctors can’t force medical care on anyone, but they can and should use their judgement to advise patients of the best way to get them healthy/keep them healthy.
Making the trial public is such a boss move, she is incredibly courageous and strong. Shame is finally switching sides. As it should.
No it's not yet, unfortunately. She is being disrespected at every step of the trial, even by the judge.
@@SIQmaiwhat did the judge do? Anyway, it's disgusting what some people write about Gisèle
@@Eagle_Owl2 if i remember correctly the judge also asked her if she had any say in the choice of her 'partners' and if she wasn't actually an exhubitionist or sth. Disgusting.
@@SIQmai oh what the hell. This is so awful and Gisèle and her children are so brave
I pray one day mine will go to trial. But mine are famous and they never have to be held accountable.
Take note ladies: some men, whether they consider themselves your friend, intimate partner, etc., will TURN on you on a dime when it involves s3x. This case sickens me to the core, but it proves that some men have ZERO loyalty to women...none of these "ordinary" men thought about that fact that they were harming her or betraying their own wives! Utterly disgusting!
One of the daughter in law was also sexually abused by her own grand-father and said in the trial that she never was as close with Dominic as she was with the rest of the family, that she found some of his attitude weird, but she never said anything because she thought it was just her trauma making her see things.
People who experienced such trauma can sense and recognise patterns they can’t even put a finger on.
Trust your gut!
@@muersy6919 THIS! It's so true. The hypervigiliance in c-PTSD survivors is something else - you can spot patterns but then people tell you you're just reading too much into things
Yes, broken boundaries and dissociation attract.
Survivor of family-based CSA here, thank you for your sensitive reporting on this topic. I have a friend who was chemically SA’ed by her husband. The scars last a lifetime, but I hope for the victims that they do find peace, and know that there are so many women around the world whose hearts go out to them.
God I hope you’re okay now. That’s tough to get over. I pray for you and your friend :(
Sincerely, a heartbroken 13 year old girl
I hope both of you heal and go on to live happy lives, my heart goes out to you. and I hope the worst for the perpetrators, they deserve no mercy.
And this is why i never immediately jump for joy when I hear people having married for decades just because somebody has had a long marriage doesn’t mean the marriage was good or healthy at all. This is honestly barbaric and abysmal behavior. He’s disgusting beyond belief.
the fact that they were married for a whole four decades before starting to drug and SA her (it could've started earlier), like that's horrifying. the possibility he was a decent partner for decades and then decides to do it
I feel you dude . Like I have seen it in person in case of my paternal grandparents. Both were sick. My grandmother hated girl child and grandfather SAs few . We filed complain but no other family members trusted us . On his death bed he confessed about all of the things and other family members were shocked to find out he had a 35 year old lady pregnant and had a girl child as a result.
We are not in contact with any family members except one of my older brother who trusted me with everything.
@@themischief420 they found evidence ONLY starting back in 2011, who knows what he did before then. they don't start doing this stuff out of the blue ever, there is always a build up.
I no longer believe in happy marriages or good husbands I’d like to start a family of my own but I lost hope in men I guess I’ll die with my cat 🐈
OMG, this is ALL HORRIFIC! You did an excellent job sharing this awful story with us. I am torn between horror, anger, & full of sadness & empathy for the family. Not the monster, everyone else. As for those who participated, hell mend them. I hope everyone of them pay the price for participating in the ABUSE!
speechless. so sick. this man. I thought it was "only" his wife, but he also abused all the other women in his family. absolute disgust for his words in his letters. Thank you for your work here, this was very insightful, empathetic and very well investigated.
I got thirty minutes into the video and broke down crying. I am a criminologist, I have seen some of the worst cases imaginable and this one will haunt me. My heart hurts for all of the victims that have come out of this case. Not just Giselle or Caroline, but the families who had to find out that they were victims as well. Bless these women for being outspoken and stopping these bastards.
I can't keep watching this though, my heart hurts too much for them all.
He KNEW how horrible he was literally labeled the folder abuses
Thank you for speaking to all of the crimes. A lot of times people speak about crimes in a very narrow way. I love that you took the time to expose all the details. These crimes are repulsive but no one would believe how demonic these men are if all the details weren't unearthed.