Starved Teen Forced To Drink Hot Sauce - Killer Threw Up In Court Seeing Victim’s Final Photos
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Paul was sentenced to 30-100 years today, February 26, 2024. Thank God for that judge who wasn't fooled by either of those two EVIL MONSTERS.
wait, 30 or a 100 years? i hope it's 100 years for what he did. sorry, i don't really understand 😅😅
I think the way that sentence works is he’s to serve no less than 30 years and no more than 100.
@@takojiaki A Sentence of 30-100 years means At Minimum he will be in jail for 30 years, but after that He will be Eligible to receive Parole on good behavior. Parole is the Release of an Inmate who is deemed no longer a threat to society. Parole officers have routine check ins with the released person. Paul is Currently 21 years old, he will most likely not be released until he is At least 51, he may be denied parole which would mean his release is delayed. and at maximum for his crimes he would be in jail for 100 years, the average life expectancy of a US male citizen is 73.5 years (according to the CDC). with that said if he were never to be released on Parole he would be 121 years old when his sentence would be "considered" completely served,... but no prisoner has yet to live long enough to fully serve their 100 year sentence.
I thought he got no sentence for testifying?
Hallelujah!!
"He could have killed himself "he was on a hunger strike"while slowly torturing and killing her son and the nerve of fake crying is mind blowing
Right!! That's horrid!!
Its so fake like at first i swear to god she was laughing like in the first shot of her “crying” shes clearly smiling and laughing no real tears
@@desireeluvaul6257 I was a little in between, but my gut feeling was suspecting something was just off about her crying, like it really wasn't genuine. The way it started to crumble as soon as she got in the house; absolutely disgusting
It was clear she was guilty from that display. If I was police I'd be zoning straight in on her in the investigation
I agree!
UPDATE!!!! Shonda received life in prison without parole. Paul was just sentenced! He asked for mercy and compassion so that he "might learn" but that he'd still be sad that Timothy is gone. Judge Kacel sentenced him to 30 to 100 years!!!! (with 592 days counted as time served, but who cares) Judge stated "I think you're just as bad."🎉🎉🎉🥳🥳🥳
Thank you for the latest update,😊
this judge is great. and possibly the first person to show timothy's soul compassion in a long time.
“might learn” wtf
I saw people in the comments of something I just saw on Paul's sentencing complaining that the judge didn't honor the 9 to 15 years that was in his plea deal, saying it will discourage people from taking a plea deal. I agree with the judge the plea was to light for the crime.
@@Antelope_001 you're welcome!
The thought of the teachers stuffing Timothy's backpack with so much food just so he had something at home made me cry. Thank u to those teachers 😢
I agree with what you said. How sweet, yet sad at the same time!
Why didn't the teacher tell anyone? They are mandated reporters! How could teachers NOT call someone?
Sweet teachers? They are "Mandated Reporters" for Chist's sake!! Teachers are required by law to report ANYTHING that looks "suspicious "...So... to his teachers thiught a little hungry, skinny, stinky boy with dark circles under his eyes looked "normal"? Oh I think his teachers should be held accountable! My God....
@@susanmartin3762 they did report
@susanmartin3762 you didn't listen very well or you would of heard the part where the teachers did call cps
The only thing that made this bearable is hearing how that judge took absolutely no shit and used her own words against her. I just hope that the people in jail with them know what they did. Justice will truly be had then
Yes GP…
he is a good judge, I thought the same
I had no idea about this case before this video but randomly was recommended a video of the judge giving out his sentencing and even without knowing anything about this case I watched the whole thing. He really handed it to her. Glad there are good judges, after watching most of Rotten Mango videos you start to lose hope.
people in prison for crimes against children tend to really not have a good time in there
Facts.
Unbelievable. I can't believe that while he was actively DYING they kept acting like he was being a brat and faking it. Absolutely disgusting.
IKR????? This entire case was just disgusting!
They definitely knew and were just bullshiting themselves. So disgusting what people are capable of.
It was a drastically different experience for me but I had an @buser and she would claim I'm faking adhd, faking mental illness, faking panic attacks. Later she'd say her adhd was out of control that's why I yelled at her in secret
P a😊@@saigechadwick1045
It's called the scapegoat role in a dysfunctional family system.
As a mom with a non verbal child with autism, this absolutely breaks my heart for Timothy. Instead of the help and love he needed, she ridiculed, starved,tormented,and tortured him. May he rest in peace now.
I to, have a child that's nonverbal autistic, and I couldn't imagine anyone or anything hurting them.
My little sister has Down syndrome and the biggest fear of mine is that someone can hurt her and there won’t be anyone to help her and stand up for her. I continue to live just to be with my precious sister tbh. I can’t even imagine how a mother could do it to their child…
It's just downright sickening, I can't imagine anyone wanting to be this cruel to any child.
I am thinking the same thing. My son is non verbal also and I'm just crying hearing this story. This poor baby boy. This is absolutely abhorrent treatment of any human much less a child with disabilities. I absolutely cannot take it. I feel physically ill.
My 10.5 y/o is autistic and non-verbal as well. This case seriously makes me want to hurt people 😡 Shanda and even Paul are absolutely some of the most evil, demonic and vile people I have ever seen in my entire life and I hope Paul spends the eat of his life in jail as well..
It's always a huge 🚩 in the 1st place when 'parents' complain/ claim their kids are 'stealing food'
Right! My kids always have access and my youngest has high functioning autism..this absolutely made me sick and I just can't wrap my head around this story.
Right? Like why would they need to steal food if they already had it 🤔🤔 they never say “eating too much candy/taking too many cookies/etc.” always “stealing FOOD”
@@blakethekilljoy exactly
Couldn’t agree more, it’s disgusting. My daughter is a very healthy weight, if not slightly chubby. She does sneak food, candy, more ice cream, etc. We talk about it, but she’s never ever punished. Eat all the food if you need, just have a healthy relationship with it. This story tears at my soul.
Yea, my old man used to have a pad lock like...🔐
... On the fridge and food cupboard.
It drives me crazy that Paul felt he was being abused by his father.. but he couldnt see that the abuse he and his mother were inflicting on Timothy was 1000x worse
Exactly. Like either the father truly was as bad as Paul claims or he has a twisted view of what cruelty looks like (meaning that maybe fairly normal parenting for someone with many kids was deemed cruel but actual cruelty was seen as normal)
I'm not saying that the father was a good parent. But I'm taking what Paul says with a grain of salt cuz it's possible that the father was a "strict" parent with some issues but not nearly as bad as Paul claims 😅
I'm guessing there was a good reason his father was so strict with him.
@@jenmiranda13 considering he threw a 15yo child with diagnosed AuDHD, sensory processing and bipolar disorder out onto the street, it's pretty safe to say he's a piece of shit. Of course, there are levels to the shit pyramid, and he's nowhere near the glorious top where the mother resides. It's also the US, so all that medication probably cost a decent bit--but Timothy wasn't even seeing a therapist, or it would've been mentioned, which considering his diagnoses and problems he definitely should've been. But therapists cost money, and their effect takes time and perhaps even involvement and actual *effort* from the parent, and we can't have that, easier to stick to just the pills. Poor kid...
Maybe he didn't develop empathy properly so can't see things from others point of view so only cruel when it happens to him...
For the record I do think the father was abusive. He used cruel and unusual punishments and it doesn't sound like he cared at all for Timothy or Paul. But it's super weird that Paul thought his dad was such an asshole but couldn't see that he and his mother were behaving the same way and so much worse.
AINT NO WAY HE SAID HE RELEASED HIS ANGER IN “the right ways” 😭
poor baby, timmy is in a better place now☹️☹️
This lol
The way he act and talk really make me thing he's not 100% aware! Cause it doesn't look like he's JUST trying to hide things like sometimes the way he talk make you think he really believed it was okay! Idk if they did a psychology test but he might have soome sort of mental problems! (Wich doesn't excuse any of what he did for sure!) And I've also been in a toxic and manipulative friend group where there was this one girl that was the boss and the things I did and said because I was scared of her is crazy! So it really make me think that his mother was also really toxic and manipulative! Cause like once they took your self esteem they can do what they want with you! But again at some point you realize! Like he had eyes and could see what was happening and his brother litteraly dying! So I think he's a bad person but that he also got manipulated in some ways! Idk if he needs to be in jail or in a psychiatric hospital but yeah!
@pamtree4000 this case is extremely distressing as an older sister. I appreciate this comment so much, it's a nice reminder that he is no longer suffering.
@@beentheredonethat30I can see where you’re coming from. Fear does make you do irrational and crazy things. However, the thing that separates doing things out of fear and doing things because you’re evil is remorse. Earlier, when he mentioned they were roommates(at his biological father’s home),he expressed disgust and anger. He was resentful of Timmy despite knowing his mental conditions. That’s enough to tell me he knew what he was doing when he tortured him and even suggested ideas of torture. He enjoyed inflicting pain and misery on his little brother and only regretted that he died because he got caught. If Timmy was still alive now, the abuse and neglect would still continue. I have reason to believe that Timmy was everyone’s punching bag and he hated the fact that Timmy wasn’t their version of ‘normal’. May he rest in peace.
I love the prosecuter. "Did it ever occur to you in your BRILLIANT legal mind......." "So that's gonna be in the 'I don't remember category?'"
I was just at that part when I read your comment lmao
@@zarahjoyce5143yo me too
And she's definitely triggered by that sentence.. you can see her expression changes immediately after the prosecutor said it.
She's probably not used to people seeing through her BS and calling her out on it. I bet he had to really retain himself from saying more.
_(mother:) "I don't remember, I mean, I'll have to take your word for it."_
(Prosecutor:) "Oh no no you don't have to take my word for it let's play the video of it."
I love this man
I hope the inmates in prison steal her food and water from her. Still couldn't hold a flame to what poor Timothy went through 🕊❤
I bet the women will give her a proper time in prison for a child abuser. People will find out the shit she did to her child. Maybe a CO will tell some of them, maybe there's a contraband cellphone but stuff like this always gets out in prison. And since there is nothing to talk about in there all you gotta do is let one person find out and the whole prison will know soon enough
Corrections nurse here. Oh, they will definitely find out. Inmates are surprisingly motivated and resourceful, especially with child killers.
I couldn't agree with you more!
_”Thanks for the extra water and munchies, Shanda! What? You didn’t say we could have it? You’re on a hunger strike, honey! Didn’t we all hear about that hunger strike, folks? Yeah, I thought so!”_
Oh god i was thinking he was autistic & possibly undiagnosed the entire time, my heart dropped when she said he was… im autistic & wasnt diagnosed & passed it down to my children before i ever even knew… were so much more prone to abuse, im so scared for my children 😢
I remember when this happened and I found it beyond pathetic how the “mom” was wearing braided pigtails with crocodile tears only for herself. She is one of the people that the electric chair should still be an option.
More like The Code of Hammurabi
Thrown into an oubliette.
Weird time to mention her hairstyle
@@Hambonehovenit is necessary to discuss and point out hairstyles during trials. When there are female suspects, they often wear pigtails or braids in order to present a more innocent and naive look to the judge. See her reaction to the photos of her son? That is a display, a display of her innocence and “shock” to the judge.
Edit: I am majoring in psychology to pursue neuropsychology. Narcissists and abusers are known to be well known actors and when they are called out, they try to appear innocent. What I also noticed is that she is not wearing makeup, and also her son. In the original mugshot, he was having a hairstyle that is often worn by people his age. But during the trial, he was having a haircut that is seen to be worn by younger people, specifically children.
@@Hambonehoven weird time to mention your ignorance
Bless the judge for choosing not to release the photos of poor Timothy.
I give that judge kudos. Timothy doesn’t deserve to be remembered the way they left him.
@@HannahTinselimaginations will be worse
@@adelaidemarie then don't imagine bad things-?? if you're gonna have those thoughts, you're the bad person, not the person who withheld the photos🙄
That 'mothers' face is so so so hittable.
so peoples faces really do be like that
Where she's going others will probably feel the same!! What comes around goes around.
Poor Timothy 😢 Bless his heart. 🙏
@Loretta716 Besides the fact that female prisons aren't as brutal as male prisons... I doubt she'll suffer too many repercussions from other inmates. She's smart, and she'll just convince others that she took the fall for her older son, who she'll say was the 'real' murderer.
@@sunitamosesesq well considering most prisoners know people who fane innocents are usually lying, I hope they don't believe it. However, with her knowledge of the law, she will probably assist others with their legal cases and become useful.
@@sunitamosesesq That's true. You are absolutely right. Clearly she has no conscience either.
My grandmother actually worked on this case. I'm not sure exactly what position she was in but she works in family court and she told me that she worked on this case. She told me that Shanda would feed him bread with hot sauce and that in court she told everyone that Timothy liked bread with hot sauce and people's response was "then why did you use it as a punishment"
This is sickening. He is in a better place now, free from all the abuse. Kids deserve all the best in this world. She deserves that life in prison.
@alyssab420 why should death be the better place for children. That is why this is so awful
For every case that gets caught: there are hundreds more kids and adults facing this kind of neglect and abuse.
@@redwolfdarkmoon5326It isn’t, but it’s a damn sight better than remaining alive under her “care.”
Of course the best ending would have been him getting rescued, but if we can’t have that at least his pain has ended and she isn’t getting away with it anymore.
@@redwolfdarkmoon5326reading comprehension is important. Why did you take it what was said literally?🤦🏻♀️ Learn to read. Context is important in this.
@@azizahnoor-r7z you aren't exactly being clever enough to be abstract say what you mean
And none of her coworkers thought this was suspicious
Exactly what I was thinking 🤔
I think they did, but not to THAT extent. Like I already worked with some very toxic and difficult people but never crossed my mind someone doing something so horrific. I guess they thought it was wrong but didnt believe it was such a heinous crime.
What about school? Did he assist?
and why no one mention the dark web? I have a feeling that these clips have been seen by other people. I know that millions are being made by rich people or something similar on the dark web
@@marturquesa77 he was "homeschooled"
the fact that she has the nerveeeeee to gag and throw up showing the pictures when she saw him every. single. day.
RIGHT????
100% she more than likely stuck her finger down her throat. She literally saw him dying AND moved his body and didn't throw up then. Nawl.
saw him from 20 different angles for 12 hours at a time, while he only wore an adult daiper. even watched him while she was at work smh
she obsessively watched him at work, no wayyy she was shocked at all at how he looked
The...vomiting... isn't actually shown here, is it? I know that's the least of this awful story but I'm irrationally freaked out by seeing others puke so I can't watch if its shown. It's the look on the puking person's face right before it happens including seeing them look panicked and cover their mouth as well as hearing and seeing it come out that I just can't handle. I just need to make sure before I watch this one.
🥝💚🖤
I sincerely hope that the prison inmates show these two as much compassion as they showed Timothy, forever
For life
@@meagangrowe4488forever and ever.
Absolutely
Then afterwards eternity
the fact that the abusers claim they didn’t know he was so bad is an absolute disgusting lie. Any normal person who saw him would have called an ambulance immediately. Which is why they hid him away.
@Dm_on_T.elegram_YT_RottenMango I don’t use social media I wouldn’t know how.
Wait, when does the prosecutor accidentally do this?
How did he accidentally show the picture??
.
Really??? I want to see it, please provide the time stamps of this video where the photo is shown.
To know that she was a dog trainer for emotional support and disabilities is astounding. She has a video on her dog training channel here on YT where she is holding her dog and cuddling it and talking about how she couldn’t let the dog go into a lake because it was just too cold. She could never do that to her baby. All the while her own son is in a closet only a few feet away in agony from emotional trauma, physical pain and starvation
This is what happens when you care more about animals than people .... certain people are really crazy .
That's disgusting
@@DeoSiegeexactly. human and animal lives are equal, to put one above the other...... that's a really big warning flag.
and putting poor timothy in a ice bath 😣
So twisted and sick
I watched the brother's sentencing hearing yesterday. That Judge pulled no punches and gave him 30 to 100years in prison. I'm glad his abusers are getting the punishments they deserve.
And he had the audacity to look shocked and heartbroken when he got his verdict! It made me so angry...
@@CozieGhosty it pains me to think that if it were a man who had done this in somewhere like South Korea,they would get no more than a year or less...
When she said "I'm sure y'all have seen a lot worse" and the cop just says "Okay..." I laughed out loud at how absurd it was
That was a crazy moment!
Timeline?
@@amryehiya667534:05
@@amryehiya667534:05
34:05
Her STRAIGHT UP DEMONIC TEXTS are being read in court... and she's STILL fake crying acting like a "grieving mother" 🤨 as if ANYONE in that court room, including her own lawyer, is falling for it. Tf. It's like these people were literally living in their OWN hellish world. Too far gone to even realize how evil and sick they are. The fact she was EMPLOYED by the same courthouse the entirety of the crime... is the biggest twist in this story.
She still thought she’s smarter than all of them. Narcissistic
Totally agree but... She's not fake crying, she's realizing how bad the evidence against her is...
@@jazr3451fake crying or not, it's all for her. she feels nothing but remorse for herself. what a monster.
@@jazr3451 She believes she did nothing wrong so, I think the tears are fake to a certain extent considering they’re only for her loss of her freedom, not the loss of her own son’s life. she’s not crying because she hurt Tim. It’s cause she got caught and now has lost her freedom and ability to control/make her victims. So, that is fake to me. She is fake and using tears to garner sympathy.
100 percent demonic. Only way to describe it.
One of the most frustrating stories I've ever heard.. the failure of CPS, the failure of bystanders, the failure of the law, the failure of the mother, brother, and father. The poor child literally had no one. :/
That last line hit hard .. he had no one,, ugh, disgusting monsters
I live where in the city where little Gabriel Fernandez was failed by our CPS. They fail these poor babies all the time. It's so saddening and sickening.
I don't wanna be the 746th like but what u said is true😞
CPS should have been there for him
Cps actually stands for Can’t Protect Shit
So convenient that she can't remember her horrendous text messages, but she could remember everything that Timothy had done to "deserve" being "punished". Disgusting. How she can think anyone would believe such an obvious tactic is ridiculous.
This.
Typical abuser behavior, they never remember what they did wrong but can remember what their victim did to the second. To them what they did is irrelevant compared to what the victim did that’s “wrong”. Absolutely disgusting
@@addimess6297 the axe forgets but the three remembers
There is so much truth to your words!
How DARE they have the nerve to have BIBLE verses in a house filled with disgusting actions like this I’m so disgusted
We are in the same boat
believe it or not, those church folk be the cruelest that walk this earth.
That’s usually how it goes though, isn’t it? Some of the wickedest people I’ve met were all about scripture and church etc etc.
Frrr
I noticed that too and gasped
He was just 15... this is horrific
He is only my age too.. I turned 16 this month.
stay safe on the Internet, kid @@emilian234
im 15. its gutting to hear about what he went through, at my age
and had been so malnourished that he looked closer to single digit age
May he rest in heaven❤
I don't know if it was intentional or not on the judge's part, but I take a tiny bit of consolation in him making it a point to say "Timothy won." in the sentencing statements. All of her disdain for this poor boy came from her belief that he was getting over on her or somehow "winning".
And he did cuz 1) He no longer has to suffer and 2) He only had to do this for a year, there going away for life, and, when people find out what thez did, well, then, tim got off easy, compared to what's gonna happen to them. Cuz there best bet is to basically go into voluntary self isolation, and even then, people GONNA fuck with their food, and their VERY high profile, meaning who ever gets rm gonna get respected and praised for it, and thus have incentive too cuz T❤❤immy may not have been able to protect himself, but the people in there GONNA MAKE SURE they know EXACTLY EVERYTHING Timmy went thru and more, and will be invested in not killing them, and to make them suffer for as long as possible as payback for what they did, and the worst part of ALLL THAT IS they will KNOW that they can't blame anyone but themselves and from a certain perspective, the judge was so fucking right cuz yeah, I do realize how it all sounds, considering Timmy had to die and all, but Timmy straight up flipped em both the f off and said "Ight, well, ima head out, here, hold this, qnd, F BOTH YALL AND DAD" hands em the consequences of their actions SO HE TOTALLY FUCKING WON 😎
@@HJ10 true that friend. Timothy went through a year of hell, and will spend eternity in Heaven. These two will have both their every waking moment and all of their afterlife in the worst kinds of Hells
@@KatrissaBallet i'm not one to say this kind of thing but amen
@@HJ10 he didn't "win" for shit.... the guy is dead knowing nothing but suffering...how is their abuser sentencing gonna make up for ANY of that? Vengence or Vindication doesn't make right what was done wrong.....
It's too little and faaaaaaaaaaaaaar too late.
@@Dhfhucudu You call the other dude self righteous while you claim the poor victim abused to death won? Because the abusers are in prison? He didn't win shit. Also, him winning would imply he was playing their little abuse game.
Shanda terrifies me, the evidence speaks for itself , recordings, texts. They say "behind closed doors" but it seems like she wouldve tortured him in broad daylight. Truly horrific.
Exactly. She wasn't even ashamed yelling at him not to get food at her public workspace.
Narcissists usually have a golden child and a scapegoat. The golden child will be treated as if they can do no wrong and often even participate in the abuse. while the scapegoat is abused and resented for existing. It's how one child can claim things were perfect at home, while the other can be horrifically traumatized. That woman is a psychopath and a narcissist no doubt
What about the 7yo wonder child? Her boyfriend? What happened to them?
@@cinda091183 She explained in the video. He divorced her after she killed her son.
Yeah that's definitely the truth. I was a former golden child and my older sis was a scapegoat for my mom's hatred of my dad. She left at 16 and then when I left in my 20s my younger sis became the new golden child. But it's very obvious I was my mom's favorite and there wasn't any other adult figure... :/ feel bad for my sisters. I was also a scapegoat though as my mom stole thousands of dollars from me so it's a weird dynamic when you have a narcissist as a parent. She tried to make all her kids homeless when she became homeless after demolishing the house we lived in with water damage until the upper floor collapsed. Narcs just suck.
BTW i mean she demolished the house we were living in (me and my sister and her), were evicted and almsot homeless, a customer gave me a basement suite thank god, I took my younger sister in, and then she showed up to my door and stalked me from work and back. Outside the basement suite she would scream bloody murder to get the police there because "we deserved to be homeless too if she was".
Paul should've gotten charged with murder. With the text messages and video that was more than enough to convict her with out making any type of deal. He was just as responsible in my eyes.
I 100% agree
Agreed. He was a willing participant to his brother's abuse. He should've been charged more. Screw Paul.
I think he is evil, but maybe also a victim? Who knows how much she psychologically abused him, he may have not known up from down
N@@jasmindisney8787yeah he evil but I'm sorry babe but I don't see him as a victim. It was the text messages, the interrogation, even the testimony had me.
@@jasmindisney8787
He made the journey from victim to perpetrator.
He can get therapy in PRISON.
he was “chubby” when he left his dad’s care… this is so sickening, he was 15.
She also tried to deflect responsibility even on the stand with her OWN TEXTS that the prosecutor would read out to her. He’d ask “Does that sound right to you?” and she’d reply “If that’s what it says.”as if her phone was the one texting that crap on it’s own. Not her. “It” said to give Timothy to give hot sauce. “It” said to give him a cold shower. Nothing was her fault. She’s sickening.
Sounds like my mom
@@renaria3160are you okay??
@xomelisa yeah. But she likes to deny the shit she pulls similar to this mofo. She's like, afro caribbean so that behavior is common among such households aswell as in Africa, black people in general. Adults never like to own up to their dotishness and like to say "if that's what you think", "if you say so", "if that's how tou remember it".
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I know right! Absolutely unbelievable. She’s so pathetic.
You know what's so fucked up, his dad said she could either take him or he'd end up in foster care! If she was so fed up, she could've kicked him out or gave him up to foster care... But no, she chose torture and abuse.
That’s what I don’t get. Why take him if you hate him. So sad poor baby
Probably the money
It is so heartbreaking that Timothy lived his whole life never knowing love. Never knowing protection or warmth. I wish Timothy was saved so that he had a chance to recover, heal, and live a good life.
He fought to survive despite their mocking every second of his young life. He never knew proper peace in life.
@@pixiestxNyomoufHopefully in the next life, he will be able to live a full life with caring parents and a happy home
@@captmena9728 there is solace in that
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I just passed the part where his brother accused his "funny walk" of being fake and Timothy hanging his head. My heart fucking shattered- that poor kid was trying so hard despite being starved and tortured to death. How his brother and mother didn't stop and feel empathy and shame at any point of this is beyond me.
I just want to say THANK YOU SO MUCH for naming her for what she is and not saying "killer mom" or giving her any title of a parent!!!! Shes a murderer not a mother.
absolutely. she’s a horrible excuse of a human being.
I agree with what you said about her label.
She never deserves to be a mother at all.
The moment I heard the word “homeschool,” so much clicked. Most homeschoolers aren’t evil, but I encounter so many people who pull their kids from school just to abuse them without anyone to notice. We need better oversight - by which I mean ANY oversight.
There should be random checks esp if there were any red flags. Abuse or not, there should be random check ups. As a child, my family fostered my cousins & we had Children & youth having regular scheduled visits to our home, including random unannounced visits.
It shouldn’t be allowed unless for medical reasons *and* the parent needs to have some sort of qualification to teach. Like actively take teaching courses while they’re teaching.
@@shannond1511this lady would meet your criteria as she is highly educated and smart. So how exactly it would protect her son? Logic is a very popular subject in the homeschooling community.
@@yuma1954 too bad you don’t seem to be
I feel like there should also be a third party just to make sure nothing wrong happens or something similar to that.
Like people might fake being kind around people in an unfamiliar setting but they are probably more likely to slip in their own home.
And if any abuse happens at home, they won't be able to hide it forever from the third party, right?
I wish i could give poor Timothy the biggest hug, poor baby, what a miserable last months of life. Those people are pure evil
I share the same sentiments 😕
Please. Same here. I pray for Timothy's soul to be at peace.
1:15:28 i heard his "Heeeelp...Hellow?" That sounded so precious...how can you hear a voice like that and answer with violence, abuse and torture? Its heartbreaking.
Fr... He was just a sweet 15 year old boy 😭It's beyond dreadful 😭
This whole case is sickening. The poor baby lived a nightmare in his short lifetime.
Sad how his own mother and brother don't have an ounce of humanity in them for him
He sounded so sweet
Right? I'm a wreck. This one is so horrific! That poor boy.
@@Silly_spanish_birbutterly heartbreaking and disgusting. Poor little man. He's not suffering anymore. 😞💔💐
The way they talk about him as if the victim is some horrible, attention-seeking kid instead of…well, a victim of their torture is unreal. They genuinely thought that and it’s insane.
the longer i learn about these two the more i think they fell into some shared delusion. Paul was a bully with bad personality and his mom was the same, they got along and i can see how they spiralled. not excusing them at all, they could stop at any point for fucks sake. but i am trying to explain what happened
Don't narcissists act like this? Forever being the victim, no matter the situation? Even when it's them giving the torture, they say the other person 'deserved' it. 🤢
@@modkip25dude it’s genuinely insane how narcissists are fucked up
I really hope Paul does not get off lightly with this, by claiming he was coerced by his mum. He's a grown man who knew EXACTLY what he was doing, and he deserves 25 to life!
It’s also so gross when he asked for some chips. The officer should have given him a slice of bread with scorpion pepper hot sauce…
@@purinpat 💯
25 is too short he needs at least 1000 years in prison with poop as food
I agree!
I can accept that he was probably also a victim, but that does not make what he did okay at all.
Him saying “My mom loved all of us, it was my dad who had the controlling freaky nature” after his mom literally orchestrated the torture and death of his little brother is fucking INSANE
A jury deliberated for a little more than an hour on Dec. 15, 2023, before finding the 43-year-old mother on trial guilty of the murder of her teenage son with special needs. A judge sentenced Shanda Vander Ark on Jan. 23, 2024, to 50 to 100 years in prison for child abuse and life without parole for her son's murder.
That woman is beyond evil and disgusting. I hope she she live a very long life in hell. Thanks for the info.
Just to be sure, a little more than an hour isn’t much time right?
@@kawaiicake8038 yes, its not much.
@@kawaiicake8038not much at all. Usually if they have to deliberate,it can take a while. Bc there's at least one person if not more,that doesn't agree. The fact that they came back so quickly,says they all knew immediately that she was guilty AF 💯
@@Myrathosghost one, this was unnecessarily rude. two, they weren't asking if an hour is a long time in general they were asking if that is a long or short time to take to decide a verdict as a jury. whatever you're going through that made you decide to be extremely rude to this person, I hope that you can find help. you did not have to blow up on this person for simply asking a question. (that wasn't even asked to you.)
Saddest part of him reaching for the pizza role is when you think about it he probably hadn't given up, he wanted to eat and probably still wanted to live 💔
Right. It’s such fucked up logic. Torturing him for having the will to live and wanting to eat when he’s literally starving to death. Clearly faking! Wtf…
@@TheUndergroundRavemy only question is why tho?! this is wild.. why would anyone do this for no reason?
the mother said it was to get back at him for "what she did to him" so maybe he had a hard time following her exactly like paul and the baby could due to his mental disabilities and paul was angry because he was different than him and thought he was digusting like he said when they lived the dads houses@@probablynotsouth
@@artistmaki ty ❣️
😢😢😢😢
The mindset of these two is insane. The fact that they thought he was faking and did not think for one minute that he actually felt pain and hurt is insanity. The brother keeps saying “he took food” - like this was not Timothy’s house too and getting food is not a normal thing kids do. Also the audacity to get mad at Timothy for “breaking rules” when they forced him into these situations and abused him. They treated him like he is an animal or something beneath them that is disgusting
Paul was BRAINWASHED by his mum. He was TAUGH that Timmy was a horrible person who was taunting his family by eating, sleeping, breathing. I'm sure Paul is autistic or has some diminished mental capacity (maybe learning disabilities), and his mum convinced him Timmy deserved to be tor*ured.
they basically had to convince themselves it was the child's fault for their cruel actions
im sure they knw how much of assholes they are
She trained dogs and did treat the dogs way better than she treated Timothy.
Even bad pet owners tend to treat their animals far better than this.
Also, with him being so desperate for food, I can actually understand the logic of him "faking it" to get some or to get out of the house. Which just makes me think these people are both insane AND stupid, because even if someone you're torturing can and likely will do anything under those circumstances ...what they were doing very obviously could kill him. They didn't even think to try looking into methods to tell if he was dying or not? They didn't have a contingency plan for this sort of situation?
Timothy was in the zero percentile for his weight when he died.. That means there is no 15 year old boy, at his height, ever, weighing the same or less as him, as being in the system from Dr appointment weight checks….That’s how extreme this was and how badly he was starved.. God will deal with these people
Thats awful man 🙁🙁 I hope nobody has to go through what timothy did and I pray timothy is resting peacefully man, those people who treated him that way deserve the absolute worst i hope they go through the same as timothy and I hope those people know there's a hot space in hell for them💔💔
This poor kid suffered so much
What baffles me is why they choose to spend so much time and commitment on torturing their own flesh and blood? How do they even get anything done?
According to her coworkers and unpaid depts apparently she didn’t.
Lol fr @@GreebleClown
She'd literally yell at him at work through cameras she set up. So she didn't.
To the point of crying that she was so exhausted! Tf? Then take your mean azz to bed..no one made you torture that kid mercilessly! She’s so gross.
They thought they were disciplining him .She did ,the brother just followed instructions and believed the story too
I dunno why but her opening a water bottle to drink while she is talking about feeding Timothy hot sauce ABSOLUTELY ENRAGES ME
Or carrying juice
Saaaaame
The nerve of her😡😡😡😤😤😤
Yea it's symbolic
“Mother” is evil but so is Paul. He was old enough to understand the situation and he should be punished strictly as well as his mother. They are so disgusting and I hope their life will be just as cruel as little Timothee’s or much more. Timothee I wish I could help you, but I just hope you are in a better place in heaven, you didn’t deserve any of this. Rest in peace 💔
And let the church say amen!
I agree 😢
@tamaritseredian3949 Paul is a horrible human being. I just looked the case up today to see his sentencing and he will be in prison for a minimum of co years and maximum of 100 years.
Manipulation is a powerful thing, though. It's possible he had no idea he had a choice.
@@lovelybonee2000Please stop. She’s quite religious, she has all kinds of bible verses all over her house, and yet you’re so quick to bring up the church? You wanna try that again?
Lying that ur brother was stealing food, while the poor kid died of starvation is a level of evil my brain cannot comprehend.
It just shows being super extremely smart and Magna cum laude means nothing if this beeyatch doesn't have any comprehension of sympathy and cannot process in her brain what she's doing isn't okay at all. So sad. Her mom didn't love her that much.
is it only me who finds judicial system extremly unfair? She gets to eat plenty of food, buy extra food if she wants something specific, chat with her fellow inmates, watch tv in a warm cell, shower with warm water... things her son never had. And you call it fair? The world where offenders live better lives than victims?
If it makes u feel better, child abusers usually get bullied in prison. Especially in a woman's jail? Where most are mothers who miss their kids?
US prison actually sucks; it's awful.
US prisons are terrible, the food shes being served is probably borderline inedible, im sure her cell is either way too cold or incredibly hot. she will be living the rest of her life in misery
Most women prisons take their own justice when it comes to child abusers. Prisoners have a code dont mess with children. Most prisoners do not tolerate child abuse. As weird as it sounds.this woman won't go unscathed
It's because our prisons are "soft" because criminals have rights they take from others
with every parent-child case i remember
"every child deserves a parent but not all parents deserve children"
she is literally evil not even human she doesn't deserve to be a mom nor alive anymore after what she did
She’s still human; stop with this nonsense.
@cloudy3042, there are many parents out there just like her.
and the sad thing is they aren't caught bc thier kids didn't die yet@@FromAshes444
I never heard that before . It is so very true. Thank you for your comment as that phrase gives me short hand for a thing I have sadly always known.
I swear this phrase is commented more on YT than “first”. The irony is, people commenting it are doing the same shit Shanda monster did.
"Yeah we starved him but we didn't enjoy it, we hated doing it!"
"Then why not just stop starving him?"
"He needed to be punished."
"For what!?"
"For trying not to starve!"
oh goddd? horrible monsters
Same logic for the sleep deprivation, too. "I have to stay up all night to make sure my son doesn't sleep. Why is he doing this to me!?" I have to wonder if the mom has some sort of lead or mercury poisoning, or a brain injury. Just completely senseless.
@@emmaobrien1376 she's a bully a narcissist. not senseless but pure evil, she has much compassion towards her dog her youngest and so on. but why tim? why doing all these to tim? because she has found her victim. a bully need a victim.
Typical narcisstic "logic".
Twisting everything.
The first hint that someone is responsible for another person death is if they immediately start jumping to blaming/villainizing the victim. To try and pin their death on anything except for the perpetrator
"He was on a hunger strike"
"He's always hiding and lying about stuff"
"He didn't tell me anything was wrong"
"He's hurt himself intentionally before"
An actual loving parent in distress when seeing their child mysteriously die out of nowhere would be confused, angry, too inconsolable to even attempt to tell people what happened just hours before
She was outside not crying because he died but instead she was trying to justify what exactly the police were looking at
Exactly, she was fake crying to make it look like she cared
She looks like she is fake crying imo. Pretty bad job of it too.
I'm sure she was freaked out because she knew she was the reason he died. But she absolutely wasn't crying for Timothy.
She was trying to appear sad. She was not crying. She would stop wailing amd speak normally for a bit then remember she ought to be crying
yeah, people cover their faces when they can’t make themselves cry
This has been one of the worst, most horrible child abuse cases I’ve ever heard of. I can’t imagine how painful it must’ve been for him. The fact that the photos are banned as well because it’s so damaging to a person is just heartbreaking. How can someone just live with themselves knowing they did that?? I can’t believe someone can just carry a child for 9 months and just inflict such brutal and vile “punishments” to your own child that never deserved it. She doesn’t deserve to be called a mother. I can’t believe these types of people actually exists; it sickens me.
How would any kid ever deserve such punishment.
How inhumane and messed up can you be to fake a reaction in front of a whole court just to hope diminshing your time in jail ??? I feel so bad for what the victim's family had to witness...
[EDIT] : Plz don't come at me guys. I'm so sorry, I made a huge mistake. I meant the victim only. Not their family because obviously the family is so sick.
No one was there for Timothy the entire trial. They didn't witness anything. No dad, stepmom, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, stepdad, The day impact statements were made one brother and sister showed up. Judge acknowledged that fact but was still not impressed. He hints at his anger towards them during sentencing. It was deserved. Judge cared more about Timothy than any of his blood relatives did. 😢
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It creeps me out more because my name is timothy
it’s sadder that the own victim’s family were the ones who tortured him nd made him a victim…
Wtf??? She's his mum! His dad abandoned him, packed him off and sent him to her house. He had no real family, just horrible abusers
the amount of self victimization is completely insane. Kid is LITERALLY DYING and Paul and Shanda are just going on and on about how he's faking for the soul purpose of bothering them. Every tiny behavior is met with "he's faking and taking advantage of us and trying to make us miserable he's such a horrible kid I can't take it anymore." I just can't believe what I'm hearing. Timothy throws up from the hot sauce; he's being stubborn to spite us. Timothys eyes are glazed over; he's faking to make us worry. He literally can't walk because he's so malnourished; he's faking to trouble us. It's completely insane.
this is another example of cps failing. this happens over and over again. had they actually taken action after timothee’s teachers called, he could’ve still been here. there needs to be serious reform.
Stephanie missed some Important context, the father only had custody because the mother was declared unfit by CPS and had them removed! So when teachers were calling CPS about Timothys situation with his father, he had already been removed by them previously. His father gave him to his mother knowing she legally couldn't have him. This highlights a deeper problem with state specific CPS rather than a national system.
The only reform that’s happening is that Children’s services are being further restricted by the right wing home schooling movement.
They’re succeeding in keeping Children’s services out when they pull their kids out of school for abusive purposes.
Why had CPS previously deemed the mother unfit?
@@giabarrone7422 I couldn't find the reason, but did find that apparently she was going through a divorce with the father at the time, she signed over her rights and was only allowed 3 supervised hours of visitation with Timothy per month. Whatever it was must've been extreme to get that little supervised time with the kids.
@@giabarrone7422she was abusive...
The judge did the most kind and respectful thing by ordering that Timothy’s pictures will never be made public (they were that horrific). At the conclusion of the trial the judge displayed a picture of a young, smiling, healthy looking Timothy and explained that this is how he wanted the world to remember him. However, in that picture Tim looked to be around 8 years old which makes me wonder why there aren’t any other pics of him between 8 and 15? They probably never took any.
I watched the trial without difficulty but at 11 minutes into Stephanie’s video it’s already too upsetting to hear her graphically describe some of the milder torture that took place. I wouldn’t be surprised if the police, paramedics, even the coroner and people who assist with autopsies had to get counseling after having seen Timothy. Nowadays many court systems provide counseling for jurors who are involved with cases where there’s disturbing and graphic evidence. Shaunda is truly the most evil and sadistic person of our times.
I noticed that too
Censorship is disgusting. Let us see the images.
@Vicus_of_Utrecht you have no sympathy for the poor child who endured this. Would you want people to see your lifeless body in its worse possible state?
@@tiffany8946 you're cretinous...
@@Vicus_of_UtrechtYour disgusting why do you want to see a mutilated child so bad?
what makes this absolutely grating is how she (1) never explicitly admits that she abused him, and (2) dug her heels in that timothy was somehow responsible for his own abuse and death.
heartbreaking because you know she'll never genuinely feel bad or regret her actions. everything is about her to the end. that kid deserved so much better.
Agreed. And she’ll spend her time in jail angry and blame him for dying. Not at all remorseful for what she did. Just thinking that he had to audacity to die and cause this mess. 😡 sometimes I wish we practiced an eye for an eye punishments.
If i hear this woman say "If that's what it says" one more time I might lose it
I'm just glad the person in court said "he won" because that's the only thing that may actually hurt her, because as we saw that's the only thing she cared about. 'Winning' some sick game she created
@@JessicaCrew-xw2em I don't mind her spending time in jail being angry to Timothy. Its somehow in a way like he brought her there. Now he is punishing her. Let her anger consume her. At least she'll remember who brought her to jail.
Hearing the behaviors that Paul complained about.... Those are weren't signs of a bad kid or a problem child. They were signs of Timothy's autism. Heart breaking. That boy deserved so much more. Everyone in his life failed him.
Low key Stockholm syndrome. He didn't want to be a target. He was taught how to deal with his anger in a 'healthy' way 😢
@@cinda091183 you mean "he WASN'T taught"?
My grandson is 7 and diagnosed with mild autism and ADHD. The ADHD meds speed up his metabolism and he's hungry all the time. He HAS to eat to maintain weight. If Timothy was taking medication when he kept getting food he was probably just hungry all the time. Poor baby. This mother and brother deserve to be treated the same way. Our justice system is too kind sometimes.
Thats really odd, all of the people i know are on medication that makes them not hungry. Had no idea there were ones with opposite effects?
@fr0nk571 I thought that too but he started eating more and being hungry all the time after starting the medication.
@@fr0nk571I take medication and it makes me hungrier
I don't believe he was on meds. She stopped them or Timmy wanted to get off them so she says
@lordtette I did catch that but wasn't sure if all were stopped or if he was weaned off when the abuse started. They complained he ate too much and "snuck" food at the beginning and of course after they started starving him. Either way they're disgusting human beings.
I will NEVER understand parents abusing their kids like this. I am a mom, and my first child was very challenging. I didn’t abuse him. I struggled to find ways to parent him with respect, calm, love, and encouragement. To think of a child like him being tortured like this poor boy… 😢
I'm pretty sure my mum's capable of all this. I have ADHD myself, but I was a very good child and student, and I still got beaten savagely and starved for the tiniest mistakes. I'm 100% I would have gotten Timmy's treatment if I did anything under less than perfect. Some people don't deserve to be parents. Or even be alive
I second Alissa’s statement, but about my own mother. I’m working hard to undo all the trauma my mom’s put me through. My inner child deserves to heal and I want my future children to never experience what I did. On behalf of your son, thank you for having compassion to be a good mom despite its challenges.
Both of my boys are nonverbal and autistic (12&14 years old now), and for over a decade, I did not sleep bc they did not sleep.
I probably got 3 hours a night. It was torture.
I would get them to sleep, and one would get up; then I'd get that kid back to sleep, and the other would wake up.
Now, they sleep better.
I just jinxed it, I'm sure. 😅
Sleep deprivation is so real, but never in my sleep deprived mind did I think that keeping them awake would help.
I've always tried my best to meet both of their needs and felt like a failure many times.
I feel so bad for Timothy.
Im so sorry you went through that.. I hope youre doing better now @AlissaSss23
People are capable of doing this because they justify their behaviour as good. They twist the situation in their head until they genuinely believe they are righteous and all of these darker desires they act out are serving good.
They twist someone that's frustrating and/or annoying them until they become something inhuman. Demonic. It's good to be bad to that which is evil. We have to punish those that are bad.
This case shows just how demented black-and-white thinking can be. It's why, as someone with ADHD and autism, I find it very hard to trust people that are puritans. Most people that see themselves as morally righteous can justify and delude themselves into doing very heinous things. Most people don't end up going as far as this mother and older brother did, but I think most people could if they were genuinely convinced someone was evil enough.
When she said the dogs were treated better with extra food, my heart just broke for poor Timothy. I hope Tim watches from heaven knowing thousands and thousands of people are praying for him and wishing we could be the one to show him love! ❤ May his soul rest in heaven. 🙏
Timothy is absolutely in heaven with God. He will never starve or feel unloved again
I don't believe any of that, Timothy had one life that's is. His suffering ended but the life he lived as a miserable one. A terrible one. No one should have to live even half as bad as what he went through. But as least he no longer has to suffer.
Ignore the guy above me. More God-haters and/or one's who don't question further are not doing wonders for this world. This boy deserves God's love, and so he shall.
Bless the little boy. May God hold him near. I'm sure he's been given his ideal life in heaven. Our lives only start here.
@@BillionairesArentYourFriends God didnt do shit to help Timothy. Every day "god" allows these horrors to just happen. Fuck your god.
That's what's so crazy about this to me. I always thought people like this would be bad through and through. Like, what do you mean she just picked ONE son and did such horrible things to him and him only? Absolutely borken in the headm like whatever makes us human, she doesn't have it.
Before you mentioned adhd and autism I knew timothy had it from the behaviours you were explaining. My son has autism, adhd and spd and is considerably more vulnerable than other children because he doesn’t understand the world like a neurotypical. It hurts so much to hear someone could hurt one of these special children, let alone by their own family. I will revisit this when my mental health is better, I really hope Timothy gets justice 💔💔
Me to
She got life in prison while he got a minimum of 30 years up to a hundred years in prison.
While Paul may have been obsessed with gaining approval from his mother and although his mother was an expert at convincing him to be her enforcer (because clearly she’s a seasoned sociopath), Paul knew what he was doing was wrong and he continued.
No not really...he knew society would condemned it that is other ppl outside the fam bcoz it looks bad .he also knew that ppl do that stuff behind closed doors .everyone does and they hide it to save face ,no? That was definitivelly his environment which would have convinced him that's how us done.mothers discipline kids thats normal in his mind AND is not aware what a different kid special needs is n needs?
@@Maruzzela-l1uWtf are you saying
Yup.. He is 20 and should know better. And he talked about releasing his anger in the right ways.. That guy should be found guilty
That was his little brother who he was raised with... he didn't even know his mother... if anything Paul's betrayal and torture is crueler than Shandas.
Just as generational trauma is passed on, this is also passed on. Keep in mind the kid was indoctrinated from the start of his life. We cant look inside his head and see the way he thinks, but abusers create abusers oftentimes.
The Mother acts like Timothy is this big brain, master plan, anime villain trying to push their huge scheme/agenda. The child was literally just existing. Trying not to be hungry, cold, and sleep-deprived. I want to think that the brother was not directly involved and complicit, that he was participating out of fear of the mother. However, after hearing more about this case, I now think that he was brainwashed into participating and even took enjoyment out of it eventually. It's all sad really. I don't like using the word "hate" but this woman really brings me to the brink of it. I hope that the poor child is at peace now without the torment from the ones he was supposed to trust, love, and be protected by. Hug your loved ones ya'll...😟
Yes, Paul was definitely taught and brainwashed to believed Timothy's ab*se was justified!!!
I hate both of them, they’re both horrible people.
I grew up in a similar way
I can promise you that children and teenagers are able to enjoy harming others
My siblings are highly sadistic and great at pretending to be angels or even the victim
@nussknacker9827 what I am saying is it was ingrained cruelty, Paul keeps saying it was for Timmy's own good, Shauna loved Timmy, himself and Shauna did their best to help Timmy, etc. He actually believed Shonda's gaslighting. Maybe he had doubts, but he still followed her instructions. Myself and Mt sister had horrible fights as children, we didn't know anything else. My mum did her best to divide us
It's true that children can be manipulated into doing evil things
But there also are children who actually are evil and grow up to be evil adults
With years of training how to act like an angel or victim in public
Becoming experts at manipulation and gaslighting
IMO the older brother is just as awful as the mother
It’s the fact that Timothy was just a sickly little kid who was even too scared to say he got hurt to the point of bleeding. He was a good kid and even if he hadn’t been there is never a reason to punish someone for breathing, eating, and releasing themselves
Hearing some of the same "punishments" this poor kid was subjected to and remembering so clearly that my siblings and I faced the same shit (heavy on the wall squats, I was up there for an hour at a time, or until my legs gave out) did a lot to help hold my own parents accountable. I hope no one who grew up thinking this treatment was normal or deserved grows up to do the same. Wishing us all a very "healing from the things we never got apologies for"
I wish nothing but healing and peace for you and your siblings ❤
From one now grown-up, formerly mistreated child to another, I feel you. So, so much, I feel you. 😭
I'm so sorry you had to go through such horrible things. 😢
Wishing you and your siblings all the best ❤🙏🏻
Sending you hugs, my love. I wish you proper healing and a life full of peace and happiness ❤️.
the way they describe the abuse as if it's just a walk in the park and nothing is wrong? so confidently in front of the detective?
What shocks me more it the amount of disgusting people in the comments section kind if justifying her behaviour by mentioning his autism and incontinence. I'm autistic, and I cared for a non verbal autistic child for years, with frequent visits to the toilet you can avoid most accidents, but people comment about him using nappies as a regular thing. Shonda used toilet breaks as torture, he wasn't allowed to use the toilet!
@@AlissaSss23 no matter what it's basic human rights that every child deserves food, love, affection. they didn't ask to be born and be born in the way they are. it was already torture to tell him not to move, knowing what he was diagnosed with. the way he was also dropped off with all his meds? the mother saying the meds were just a way to do less for him? what did she want to ween her own child of meds he needs? i have a nephew who is also autistic and i have never met him before. i do hear from family how he is.
There rarely is an autistic person who wasn't traumatized.
I'm autistic and all autistic people I know suffer from cPTSD
As a mother to an autistic son with a multitude of extra diagnosis, this case is horrible. My child was fully potty trained around age 12, with the occasional accident. He finally, with the proper dosage of medication, was able to sleep through the night a few months ago, at age 14. I never slept lol. Im not perfect. I get frustrated as a person tends to do from time to time, but to do what was done to that baby boy is beyond any conceivable notion of normal. That woman is a demon.
She's the worst monster I have ever heard of
you sound like you're doing an incredible job and im sure your son is so thankful for having a mom who cares so much. I wasn't diagnosed til i was 19 (im 20) but I was diagnosed with adhd and anxiety at around 7-8. (then later at around 10 i was diagnosed with an autoimmune disorder) I remember trying multiple different medicines for my adhd and I know it was probably so difficult for my parents because the side affects were so uncharacteristic for me. I eventually settled on Vyvanse and still take that today. All that to say I'm glad your son was able to sleep better and find medicine that helps. This case makes me so sad knowing how some children with neurodivergencies like this are treated but it makes me happy to see parents that actually care. sorry if this reply is kinda random I just heavily relate to the issue of not finding the right medication
What do you think of perfectly healthy people on tumblr claiming they are autistic
Just because someone is able to dress themselves, feed themselves, possibly hold down a job sometimes it doesn't mean that they aren't autistic and struggling. Just because someone may act a certain way in front on you it doesn't mean they aren't autistic. Autistic people tend to mimic people around them because they want to fit in. If an autistic person you know is able to act healthy then you should be mindful that they are using so much energy in order to do that. They are making a special effort to appear normal around you. I am autistic and all I have ever wanted is to be normal. I have days, weeks even where I cannot speak to people because I feel so tired and brain fried from interacting with people. Trying to be understood, trying to be funny, trying to be liked, trying to be related to and or be relatable. Autism doesn't have a look. You can't just assume if a person has autism or not just from watching a video of them in a hyper moment on a good day. Yes people fake things all the time I don't understand neurotypical people but I try to. I don't know why someone would fake having Autism and honestly it infuriates me.@@ManiyaVinas
@@ManiyaVinas I have no judgment ,as there are many degrees of the spectrum and I can't know for certain of any dishonesty. So there is no way of knowing if they are truly not mentally sound. Unless it's blatantly obvious with bad acting of course. Then it's probably obvious to everyone and shouldn't reflect on the disabled community. Those people should be required to get tested to prove their disability if they claim to have one. But it's not so simple to just say one is faking. Sigh...it's such a broad spectrum.
The judge's closing speech gave me chills. Bravo to him for letting Shanda know that she didn't win. What a horrible story and a horrible woman. She couldn't even admit to what she did.
"Do you think I could have something to snack on?" asks Paul. If I had been the police officer I would have offered him a crumb of bread with a cup of hot sauce.
It’s crazy how sick in the head people can be-
Yeah it feels like being safe is a luxury now😌
You be surprise how much they willing to go look up Imani case it will make you lose faith in humanity
@@eveelee4152Imani Roberson?
It’s like micro fascism with one prisoner and a scared intimated angry person who is sociopathic and low functioning.
He only bullies with support of someone he wants to impress and take it out on he deems weaker than him.
This was some of the sickest 💩 I have seen.
You’d be surprised.
Her parental rights to her 7 year old were recently terminated. Shanda actually had the gall to protest the termination thinking she could "become a positive person in her son's life". She can have no contact with him until he's 18. I feel so sorry for that little boy.
This isnt just a parent failure...
Its a failure of the system too.
All the teachers and CPS workers that didnt immediately have him removed from the home is absolutely sick 🤮
Timmothy whilst staying with his mother didn’t attend public school, it is also mentioned in the video that when Timothy lived with his father Teachers tried multiple times to get CPS to see the home. CPS failed him from the Jump start.
He had been removed at one point and she lost custody, she had him there illegally. That poor kid was failed by so many people.
Teachers can't have a child removed. All they can do is report their concerns. CPS is who failed him when the teachers reported it.
It isn't the teachers choice to have a child removed from the home. The teachers did all they can in such a broken system.
This is a failure of Timothy's family.
The prosecutor did an excellent job questioning her, and also, not verbally attacking her for the evil actions she made Timothy endure. I would’ve lost it on her. And you are correct!! She hated every 2nd of it.. not bc she started seeing how wrong her actions were, but bc he made the “genius” feel stupid. She literally makes me sick.
This level of abuse reminds me of another case of abuse against a child who was locked in a cabinet and was forced to eat cat litter to survive... So messed up. My friend is struggling to have a baby and this monster killed hers.
a lot of humans have children for all the wrong reasons - unplanned, blindly following 'societal norm', pressure, wanting to 'fit in', ego purposes (for social media), for financial reasons (someone to make into a cash cow), to have someone to 'take care of me when I grow old' (oh boy), someone to fill my emotional and egoic needs, someone to make into an egoic extension, someone to 'pour all my insecurities onto' and control and abuse. Your friend struggling to have a baby doesn't mean she'll automatically be a good, nondysfunctional parent. There are parents who 'struggled' to have a baby, salivating to have a baby for their own agendas. parenting on this planet is just so messed up. A lot of parents think they 'own' their child who they have all the 'right in the world' to groom, use and abuse.
@@mothmosPrecisely. Just because someone wants a child doesn't mean they will be a good parent.
@mothmos ex MIL literally told ex that she had him for that reason. to take care of her when she was old. he's the youngest. fucking unhinged: she absolutely told me the same thing. like nonchalantly oh yeah had this kid specifically to turn him into a caretaker as her health rapidly declined. horrid things had happened to her in life, but seriously nothing excuses that. it severely affected his mental health. 😢
Reminds me of Silvia likens
That's goddamn hilarious, what case is that?
I can’t believe this kind of evil exists. That’s for covering all these cases Steph
The entire trial is on TH-cam
This emoji thing is so cute how do I do ittt
@@violeta8445 click the little emoji below the “add a comment button”
I feel bad the older boy too. I know that he took part in this abuse, but he is clearly a kid who was not only abused himself but is also is clearly low functioning and low IQ.
I watched him during the interrogation. He spent a majority of that time in a fetal position. That’s not normal behavior. He actually had some remorse unlike mommy dearest.
Mommy dearest should live in solitary confinement for the rest of her life being fed a piece of toast covered in Carolina reapers every few days. Maybe change she should get a diaper change every two to three days.
You're right this is unthinkable
My best friend lost her son almost 2 years ago. I was visiting her recently and she still has episodes of being completely inconsolable. While I was visiting it happened at least 5 times. It’s like experiencing sadness and grief on this exponential level that CANNOT be faked. You can tell the difference. This monster of a woman is SO FAKING THIS!!!
i lost my son almost five years ago, that grief doesn't go away. it truly broke me. i can't understand how someone could hurt their child, let alone this.
Exactly!!! She was so upset that he was “faking” and yet the only one faking is her!!! Just absolutely disgusting POS they both are.
@@scribbledmelancholic I’m sorry to be a downer and I am so sorry for your loss. What is awful about my best friends situation and just this extra kick in the gut life sucks is she lost both of her boys 4 years apart. The CPR stuff in this post was especially upsetting to me. My best friend is a nurse practitioner and the Sheriff had to handcuff my best friend because she refused to let the paramedics screw up after she had been doing CPR after finding her little boy. That’s what a real mother does. I’ve told her I don’t know how to help other than listen and try to make her laugh so that’s what I do. Much love from the Windy City…
I lost mine for two years to CPS (I have them back now) I still haven’t been the same since even with them home, I was definitely inconsolable that whole time they weren’t home with me. At the fact that her son is DEAD and she FAKED HER EMOTIONS, enraged me.
This is so true! My childhood best friend was murdered in October of 2016. He was 33 years old. His mom still breaks down almost daily 😔 seeing Shonda in the body cam video made me sick 😡
Some people say “ hell is empty because all the monsters are here”. I’m so so sorry little angel. May your soul rest in peace 🙏🏼
Isn't it funny that her stress related dissociation & blackouts didn't seem to show up in any areas of her life other than the torture of her son? She was able to work at a courthouse with NO ISSUES - aside from not remembering all the evil texts she sent at work. But everything else at her job? Just fine. Oh, and its a miracle! The stress of being on trial for the murder of her son isn't triggering any symptoms at all! She is perfectly fine in the courtroom and in her jail cell. She's is facing one of the most stressful situations a human being could face and she miraculously cured!
accidental comment omg. i find this case disgusting and i agree w/ u.
It's wild how he seems to think "we punished him for being hungry and trying to sneak food by denying him any food" is a sound statement.
This is one of those cases that make me wish the "eye for an eye" law was still in place, so, the moster would be LEGALLY subjected to the exact same torture (s)he made the victim(s) go through.
Right? And every time they whine they are reminded "YOU did this, YOU werent stopping when YOU DID THIS to an innocent kid, YOU are not innocent"
Yup
Thank God it's not just me..
Its the only way absolute justice can be achieved. Shanda may live 100 years in jail but she will not experience being tortured with an ice bath for 9 hours. She will not experience being starved till she becomes literal bones and the only thing she's allowed to eat is bread with hot sauce on an empty stomach. She will not experience not being allowed to close her eyes when she needs to sleep the most. She will not experience any of the immeasurable and unbelievable trauma and pain she caused this child and that makes me so uneasy
I understand where you’re coming from, but who would do the punishment? I’d be wary of anyone actively willing to do it, and I wouldn’t want to force anyone to do it.
This woman makes me so sick... I have never seen such fake crying in my life... She's so cold she can't even pull off fake crying, like she has never genuinely cried in her life... She has zero empathy.. a complete monster.. God will deal with her
It was mentioned that Timothy had disabilities, but I wonder how much of Timothy’s developmental delay was actually driven by severe abuse, emotional neglect, and nutritional deficiency. During the critical years of brain development, children in very abusive environments or institutions can develop language and motor delays as well as antisocial behaviors. In the famous case case of Genie, who survived very severe abuse and isolation in infancy and early childhood, her experience actually caused her intellectual and social disability to the degree that she was never able to fully acquire grammar and language even with extensive rehabilitation. Although we may never really be able to answer that question in regard to Timothy, it’s probably fair to say that he could have been more independent socialized if he had a normal family environment with the right support.
Agreed. With the small amount of concerns were heard of from when they were in the father’s home; it could’ve been a mix of both. Even with the delays, he clearly wasn’t getting any of the services that he would need. Adding on the severity of the abuse he was suffering, it would just make every thing much worse
Prior to being placed with his father, Timothy was removed from his mother's care by CPS for abuse.
I've been wondering the same thing, I get that he got all these diagnoses, but misdiagnosis is a real thing, neglected children behave differently than children with living families
Yeap. The opposite is also true, infants with multiple health problems sometimes grow up fully independent and practically healthy in family that really study their conditions since birth and work on it. Proper care and love do wonders.
@@fatefulthreads misdiagnosis can be true. But the mother already has a diagnosis of ocd, adhd, and sensory disorder. It's not shocking he was diagnoses with a developmental disorders himself. He can have a developmental disorder and experience trauma.
I'm sorry, how the Fffff- someone once arrested for punching a woman into miscarrying gets to work at the courthouse?!! Background checks?? Hello?!!
This was my thought too
😮she's a lawyer and smarter than anyone to hide escape her past histroy
@@eun5150She wasn’t a lawyer, but a county clerk. She graduated from law school, so she has a law degree (J.D.) but she doesn’t practice law; she hasn’t passed the bar, and does not have a license to practice law. She’s not a lawyer.
@@Lucylllllzx I believe she did pass the bar but wasn't practicing law. I thought Stephanie said she passed it.
@@eun5150 yah, what the other guy. getting a degree in something and actually practicing it, let alone being skilled at it, are *completely* different things. so if she just had a degree shes not a lawyer. just like getting a degree in communications doesnt make you a journalist.
getting a degree also doesnt prove intelligence- because of how the school system works. the only thing it shows is work, consistent work.
there are many privileged college students out there today with big masters or phds that are otherwise dumb, un-selfaware, incompetent people with a piece of paper to their name. many of the people that ive seen who wanted big degrees like that were focused on one thing mainly, the status. they wanted the 'status' that comes along in our shit culture with having more education than others.
so they could feel that theyre more important than others in their head and that they were entitled to more.
This is a good reminder that school is an escape for many kids in abusive families… my moms been a teacher for 25+ yrs and its heartbreaking how many high schoolers hate summer break. This poor poor selfless boy spent his last summer being tortured by his mother. I pray he can finally rest
I'm on better terms with my mum now, but as a teen I skipped school to avoid my mother because she was a teacher at my school 😬
Timothy was home schooled
@@444onthefloor Yep, to hide their crimes
@@damien678That would suck having to go to the school your mother taught at as a teenager. I would have wanted to transfer to a different one.
@@redwolfdarkmoon5326It seems like that happens in a lot of these cases. Parents who are severely abusive often end up pulling their kids from school and "homeschooling." (although I don't think much schooling actually occurs, parents like that also tend to be too lazy to actually teach during this "homeschooling") There needs to be more oversight and better regulations on homeschooling. There should be more limits on the situations in which homeschooling is allowed also. Imo. I think kids in most cases, are usually better off just going to a regular school. If they want to homeschool maybe they should have a court hearing before a judge and the student can state their case about why they want to be home schooled, if they in fact do. Normally I think people should have more freedoms and not less, but in the case of choosing to pull kids from school, in favor of homeschooling, it has been used too many times as a way to hide abuse.
The only comfort I get from this case is knowing these two monsters will have an awful time behind bars, because even inmates don't take kindly to child abusers.
That hot sauce is no joke. I can’t imagine how bad that poor baby felt, makes me so angry.
Exactly. They didn’t just go for a regular sauce. They chose an intensely hot sauce to give to a child with nothing in his gut
I'm extremely sensitive to spicy shit. To force that type of spice down someone's throat is inhumane
Especially for soneone with sensory processing issued. Makes it even worse.
@@BluemoonLacrymosa Knowing how many autistic people deal with stomach issues it's sick. Then she has the nerve to say she didn't want to upset her stomach.
Shanda and Paul are evil. They're demonic.
The moment I heard her fake wailing on the footage I was just sitting there thinking ”you're a fake, you're a fake....” because she immediately sounded like a very bad actress trying to playing a role. But setting aside her bad acting skills, it was immediately obvious she was at fault, from the very beginning of the story, because no way a parent can fail to notice their child is wasting away from the lack of food. Most parents pay too much attention to feeding their kids, if anything. Ffs, every time I, a 40 y.o. fit woman, go see my parents, the first thing my dad says is that I'm too thin and need to eat more. No proper parent can fail to notice that, it had to be deliberate. And it was, and this is horrific.
The way paul was describing timmy is exactlyhow was as a child with ADHD and it hurt my heart to know that’s why paul did the things he did.
Paul did those things because he was brainwashed and didn't know any better. I'm 100% he was a*used himself
Dude It makes me sad I suffered mental abuse cus of this I get it.
@@smollsquishytaeilim so sorry you had to experience that. ❤❤i hope all is well.
It’s so insanely frustrating that they had the privilege of diagnoses AND a sustainable job to support the needs of those diagnoses, yet chose to try and torture them out of that poor baby for years instead 💔💔 evil evil people stuck in their own worlds, and a corrupt system that can’t help the victims of those people until too late…. We collectively need to do better for kids
imagine saying just being in the room after your husbands stroke made your dissociative disorder so bad it makes you have weird amnesia but doesnt claim that her own son dying had any affect on her mental health
Absolutely on point!
the psychological torture aspect is even more prominent when you take into consideration he had adhd/bipolar. his brain was probably working overtime in a way neurotypical brains cannot understand, you just seek some form of stimulation, any form of stimulation when you have a brain like that (hence the tearing apart of objects etc). i cannot imagine the torture of banality he must've felt when he was locked up like that. my heart goes out to him
Exactly..
What is also sickening is the mom listing in court her “special needs” in order to get lesser sentencing and to “excuse” her behavior. When she never for a second made any considerations for her son.
@@caitchri2426 yeah i was shocked to hear she basically passed the disorders down to his kid and then labeled him basically a "deviant" for exhibiting symptoms of them??? just goes to show she really didnt care what he did as long as she could punish him, a real sociopath
I have ADHD and autism, and lack of stimulation is genuinely so painful.
It feels like I can't focus on anything, even sitting properly or standing, and like my brain just shut down and trying to start it back up is like rusty gears painfully scrapping at each other. Just slow, clunky, painful.
If I'm at home I need something on in the background. Instrumental music is my lifeblood at this point.
Yeah it's absolutely disgusting. I'm neurodivergent and I cannot stay in the same position for long at all else I get so overstimulated and I feel like my entire skin, muscles and bones are twisting and crawling. It's the most horrible feeling, before I had a dx I had a job where I had to sit perfectly still for 5 minutes (attraction actor) regularly and it made me feel so horrible and sick. I can't imagine how horrible it must have been to be forced to not be able to move, not to mention everything else. This case is so heartbreaking, how can you do that to your own child and brother? My younger sister is the most precious thing in my life.
I was starved in foster 'care' and now I have 2 children, my way of coping is to never ever be able to deny them food if they even look hungry. I know I over compensate and it's also not great and not everyone react the same. But when adults say children in their own homes 'sneak' or 'steal' food - I cannot. CHILDREN ALSO OWN THE FOOD IN THEIR OWN HOMES. They cannot steal something they already own. If you need them to not eat an ingredient for later, let them know or put it away.
Perhaps its something you should seek medical help for? So you don't give your kids eating disorders in the other direction. I don't mean this in an accusatory way, i just say it as someone who was taught horrible eating habits as a kid and still struggle with in my mid 30s to correct (for me its overeating and emotional binging).
I hope you have a good therapist ❤
Sorry but I think its absolutely normal to give kids food even if they say they r slightly hungry .in fact I ve never seen a house where kids can't eat what and as much as they want and take it themselves from the fridge too. I saw 2 weird responses to your message that's why I commented otherwise I wouldn't.i don't want you to think us not normal just bcoz someone said so.btw my dad was hungry growing up and he was very stingy in everything but not food... almost.He said that he told himself food will never b missing
wow accusing you of giving your kids eating disorders by not depriving them of food is fucking awful
I also have eating disorders and it was because of my parents weird rules and beliefs about eating not because I was fed
I had similar childhood. I tell my kid the kitchen closes at 8. Pantry opens at 8:01 😂 people have different metabolism and as a growing child you need food. I taught him how to make simple meals for himself bc I want him to be comfortable getting food at anytime.
Timothy honestly sounds like he couldve grown up really smart with his knowledge on how to take stuff apart