I have recently started my journey through learning new testament greek, also using beginning Greek, just wanted to thank you for giving me motivation to continue through to my goal of "fluently" reading through the Greek New Testament.
I too learned NT Greek in an unconventional way. Starting with part of a course and then being mostly self taught. People need advice for learning that come from an outside of the box perspective. And a guide for the many first year resources that are out there. I like what your doing here. You gained a subscriber.
First, I'd like to commend you for sharing your knowledge. When we share with others we grow in knowledge. Second, thank you for sharing the resources. I review beginning Greek with Mounce's resources. My intermediate grammar is the one by Mathewson and Emig. I love Parse Greek. It really does as you said improves muscle memory. Thanks for your encouragement for those of us who are learning on our own.
@@alexandersmith9385 Thank you so much for that encouragement! I can't say enough how much that means to me! I'm glad you like Parse Greek! It's nice to meet other people who are all on the same journey.
Firstly the vast majority of us are not going to be formal translators or even exegetes. If we are at that stage we can then start learning grammar. The first thing, and I really do mean the first thing, is to fluently read the New Testament, or at least the easier sections of it and possibly parts of the Septuagint as well. Vovabulary is a far harder obstacle. A flashcard app can help. On the other hand I think 1,000 words cover 90-95% of the words in the NT. The total vocab of the NT is around 5,000. NB if you can structure vocab by book that can be a boon because the hardest books have a lot of rarer words (notably Hebrews, Acts, Luke). If you use a grammar then use the simplest one possible. Once you are a fluent reader in the New Testment then you can study grammar which will make sense to you and deepen your reading sills. I'm not against grammar, I just put it after reading sills. If you find you are giving up on the grammar or find it a struggle you are in the vast majority of the population - but reading will keep you going. In practical terms this means starting with easier and shorter NT books. In practice this means 1John, John's gospel and Revelation (I confess to finding the ultra short leters fairly difficult even though short - 2, 3 John, Philemon). I would encourage people to add in other texts like the Lord's prayer; 10 commandments, the creation account (LXX) and the Nicene creed which you can reguarly re-read. Or if you have a favourite text you can return to often (Romans 8 and 1 Cor 13 for me). By all means look at the charts. I'm not in favour of memorising them. As for cases life is made a lot simpler if you learn the genitive as a lexical item (Son of God, Son of man, light of the world etc). There are only then two cases to pick up and I think they are relatively logical (direct and indirect object case) and will fall into place by itself. I recommend listening to some Greek by any mechanism eg TH-cam (for instance prologue to Gospel of John). Finally, as soon as you are comfortable, read outloud as you read (not all the time, obviously). You develop your own reading style and it seems to help with reading fluency as well.
@@JohnMiles117 One thing I noticed is in some books the word order is very challenging. The 'words' are not where you expect. But in a fair few books the word order is much less problematic. I found a similar thing in German. My view is the case system gets 'absorbed' where the order is more as an English reader would expect. And that can help in the harder sections.
Enjoyed the video! Recently watched your video on grammars, and I'm really close to ordering the first one you recommended here. Sounds like a good book.
It honestly really is the best beginning grammar available in my opinion.(Not that there aren't others) I just think that this one offers the best of all worlds.
When it comes to Greek grammars, 2020 is brand new! These are some great resources! I am trying to decide if I want to start brushing up on Greek on my own, or if I want to wait until I have to take classes again in a couple of years. If I don't start working on it now, I'm considering Latin. Of course, it's not an ORIGINAL biblical language, but it's very important for Church history and theology, which are my areas of greatest interest.
@@kakelso 😂 you are right, 2020 is brand new! That's awesome dude! Latin is another language that I've always wanted to learn. If you want to get back into Greek why not just start by watching Robert Plummers videos on his grammar? Especially if you already have somewhat of a foundation, they would be the perfect tool for you to brush up, you've got nothing to lose by starting early!
@@JohnMiles117 Well, you replied before I even finished your video, brother! I've "checked out" Richards's 30 days book to see if it would be a good way for me to brush up. I could see doing a sort of 30-day intensive to kickstart it. (I'm hopefully jumping back into seminary classes in January, but for now I have the time for something like that.) I'll look at his minimums video, too. Thanks again for the resources!
Danny Zecharias also has a great help for showing all parts of the Greek language on an inter linear Bible for quick identification. It is part of the Logos program. He also goes through several things to watch out for when understanding Greek. It is a video. I can’t recall the name, but I use it all the time. When I have a minute I’ll pass it on.
It is a Mobile Ed: Learn to Use Biblical Greek and Hebrew in Logos (2 Courses). Right now it is not split into 2 separate courses, which is a shame. I have both; but I wouldn’t bother with the Hebrew. It is disjointed and difficult to follow. The Greek course is Danny Zecharias’ course and it is very easy to follow. The Hebrew course is authored by Michael Heiser. I have seen these courses sold separately. I would get on the phone and everyone ask when these courses are going to be sold separately. That might pressure Faithlife to release separately. I don’t think the Hebrew was selling, so they bundled them together. They are on sale right now, but it is expensive even with the discount.
@@tomhewitt6916 Thank you so much for the info! I'm definitely gonna check these out. I really love Danny Zacharias stuff, it's all been excellent in my experience
I enjoyed listening to your last couple videos. I'm a self learned/learning Greek reader as well! A little book I recommend that is great for motivation if you haven't gotten it already since I know you enjoy their books is "Greek for Life" by Plummer and Merkle.
My advice if I were to start over again would be to start with Alpha with Angela videos on TH-cam and the app Scripturial. From there I'd get into reading beginner texts like Mark Jeong's New Testament Reader, Seamus Macdonald's LGPSI and Galilaiathan, Athenaze, Hansel and Gretel by the Polis Institute, etc.
@@JohnMiles117 It's not perfect. It introduces vocab and new grammar too quickly. But 27,000 words of graded ancient greek in a semi-interesting continuous narrative is very hard to find. It's good because there are audio recordings of it to listen to and videos where people explain chapters in Greek.
what do you think of the word "Oligopistia" in Matthew 17:20 IMO its a excocentric compound word that means unbelief and not little faith. KJV which is derived from the TR translates it to unbelief
@@christianchua4283 good question, it can mean both. The reason is because one of the root words it is derived from is "pistis" which means both faith and belief. Faith at its core is trusting belief. The word you asked for is used 6 times in the NT and it's most constantly translated as "little faith" NASB,ESV. I hope this helps! Thanks for the question
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I have recently started my journey through learning new testament greek, also using beginning Greek, just wanted to thank you for giving me motivation to continue through to my goal of "fluently" reading through the Greek New Testament.
@@iamgingerman4277 No problem! I'm so glad I could help!
This is your second video that I'm watching (not even finished yet);
and your video is extremely helpful!!!!!!!!
Thank you so much!!!!!
@@gertrudejones7242 Thanks Gertrude! I'm glad I could help! If there's anything you're looking for in particular, I'd love to try and help.
I too learned NT Greek in an unconventional way. Starting with part of a course and then being mostly self taught. People need advice for learning that come from an outside of the box perspective. And a guide for the many first year resources that are out there.
I like what your doing here. You gained a subscriber.
Thank you so much!
Back after checking the 8 minimums video. I think it's very helpful IF you already know some of the grammar.
@@kamalkhalil9090 I agree, that's why I said it's helpful for a refresher. I don't think it would work if you went into it without knowing anything.
First, I'd like to commend you for sharing your knowledge. When we share with others we grow in knowledge. Second, thank you for sharing the resources.
I review beginning Greek with Mounce's resources. My intermediate grammar is the one by Mathewson and Emig. I love Parse Greek. It really does as you said improves muscle memory. Thanks for your encouragement for those of us who are learning on our own.
@@alexandersmith9385 Thank you so much for that encouragement! I can't say enough how much that means to me!
I'm glad you like Parse Greek! It's nice to meet other people who are all on the same journey.
Loved it! Thanks!
Thank you so much!
Thanks for your effort
Thank you!
Firstly the vast majority of us are not going to be formal translators or even exegetes. If we are at that stage we can then start learning grammar.
The first thing, and I really do mean the first thing, is to fluently read the New Testament, or at least the easier sections of it and possibly parts of the Septuagint as well.
Vovabulary is a far harder obstacle. A flashcard app can help. On the other hand I think 1,000 words cover 90-95% of the words in the NT. The total vocab of the NT is around 5,000. NB if you can structure vocab by book that can be a boon because the hardest books have a lot of rarer words (notably Hebrews, Acts, Luke).
If you use a grammar then use the simplest one possible. Once you are a fluent reader in the New Testment then you can study grammar which will make sense to you and deepen your reading sills. I'm not against grammar, I just put it after reading sills.
If you find you are giving up on the grammar or find it a struggle you are in the vast majority of the population - but reading will keep you going.
In practical terms this means starting with easier and shorter NT books. In practice this means 1John, John's gospel and Revelation (I confess to finding the ultra short leters fairly difficult even though short - 2, 3 John, Philemon).
I would encourage people to add in other texts like the Lord's prayer; 10 commandments, the creation account (LXX) and the Nicene creed which you can reguarly re-read. Or if you have a favourite text you can return to often (Romans 8 and 1 Cor 13 for me).
By all means look at the charts. I'm not in favour of memorising them. As for cases life is made a lot simpler if you learn the genitive as a lexical item (Son of God, Son of man, light of the world etc). There are only then two cases to pick up and I think they are relatively logical (direct and indirect object case) and will fall into place by itself.
I recommend listening to some Greek by any mechanism eg TH-cam (for instance prologue to Gospel of John). Finally, as soon as you are comfortable, read outloud as you read (not all the time, obviously). You develop your own reading style and it seems to help with reading fluency as well.
@@cpnlsn88 Dude! Great info! Keep it up!
@@JohnMiles117 One thing I noticed is in some books the word order is very challenging. The 'words' are not where you expect. But in a fair few books the word order is much less problematic. I found a similar thing in German. My view is the case system gets 'absorbed' where the order is more as an English reader would expect. And that can help in the harder sections.
@@cpnlsn88 That's very interesting! Good point!
It sounds like your path has been a bit of a windy one. Great to see your progress. Keep it up!
@@bma yes it has, but I'm back on the straight and narrow now. 😂 Do you have any suggestions? I'm definitely open to any advice you might have.
Enjoyed the video! Recently watched your video on grammars, and I'm really close to ordering the first one you recommended here. Sounds like a good book.
@@tommyhuffman7499 Awesome! I'm glad i could be of help!
It honestly really is the best beginning grammar available in my opinion.(Not that there aren't others) I just think that this one offers the best of all worlds.
When it comes to Greek grammars, 2020 is brand new!
These are some great resources! I am trying to decide if I want to start brushing up on Greek on my own, or if I want to wait until I have to take classes again in a couple of years. If I don't start working on it now, I'm considering Latin. Of course, it's not an ORIGINAL biblical language, but it's very important for Church history and theology, which are my areas of greatest interest.
@@kakelso 😂 you are right, 2020 is brand new!
That's awesome dude! Latin is another language that I've always wanted to learn. If you want to get back into Greek why not just start by watching Robert Plummers videos on his grammar? Especially if you already have somewhat of a foundation, they would be the perfect tool for you to brush up, you've got nothing to lose by starting early!
@@JohnMiles117 Well, you replied before I even finished your video, brother! I've "checked out" Richards's 30 days book to see if it would be a good way for me to brush up. I could see doing a sort of 30-day intensive to kickstart it. (I'm hopefully jumping back into seminary classes in January, but for now I have the time for something like that.) I'll look at his minimums video, too. Thanks again for the resources!
@@kakelso No problem! I hope Richards is able to help you out!
Danny Zecharias also has a great help for showing all parts of the Greek language on an inter linear Bible for quick identification. It is part of the Logos program. He also goes through several things to watch out for when understanding Greek. It is a video. I can’t recall the name, but I use it all the time. When I have a minute I’ll pass it on.
@@tomhewitt6916 awesome please do! Once you send it to me I'll try to put it in the description.
It is a Mobile Ed: Learn to Use Biblical Greek and Hebrew in Logos (2 Courses). Right now it is not split into 2 separate courses, which is a shame. I have both; but I wouldn’t bother with the Hebrew. It is disjointed and difficult to follow. The Greek course is Danny Zecharias’ course and it is very easy to follow. The Hebrew course is authored by Michael Heiser. I have seen these courses sold separately. I would get on the phone and everyone ask when these courses are going to be sold separately. That might pressure Faithlife to release separately. I don’t think the Hebrew was selling, so they bundled them together. They are on sale right now, but it is expensive even with the discount.
@@tomhewitt6916 Thank you so much for the info! I'm definitely gonna check these out. I really love Danny Zacharias stuff, it's all been excellent in my experience
I enjoyed listening to your last couple videos. I'm a self learned/learning Greek reader as well! A little book I recommend that is great for motivation if you haven't gotten it already since I know you enjoy their books is "Greek for Life" by Plummer and Merkle.
@@philipnichols8021 That's awesome! Stuck with it! That is a great book btw, good find!
My advice if I were to start over again would be to start with Alpha with Angela videos on TH-cam and the app Scripturial. From there I'd get into reading beginner texts like Mark Jeong's New Testament Reader, Seamus Macdonald's LGPSI and Galilaiathan, Athenaze, Hansel and Gretel by the Polis Institute, etc.
Good advice! I've never used athenaze, what's been your experience with it?
@@JohnMiles117 It's not perfect. It introduces vocab and new grammar too quickly. But 27,000 words of graded ancient greek in a semi-interesting continuous narrative is very hard to find. It's good because there are audio recordings of it to listen to and videos where people explain chapters in Greek.
@@michaelg5962 oh okay, that's pretty cool! I've heard a lot of good things about it I've just never personally used it.
Yeah! Don’t wake up the baby! 😎
what do you think of the word "Oligopistia" in Matthew 17:20 IMO its a excocentric compound word that means unbelief and not little faith. KJV which is derived from the TR translates it to unbelief
@@christianchua4283 good question, it can mean both. The reason is because one of the root words it is derived from is "pistis" which means both faith and belief. Faith at its core is trusting belief.
The word you asked for is used 6 times in the NT and it's most constantly translated as "little faith" NASB,ESV.
I hope this helps! Thanks for the question
@@JohnMiles117 thank you for the reply brother, So I guess it depends on the context on how its used. GODbless you
@@christianchua4283 not a problem at all! Happy to help!
I want from you explanation of Romans 4: 4 in greek
@@YouhannaGerges What are you looking for in particular? Is there something you want explained more specifically?