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For the cost of a new chain isn't worth the headache of cutting the old chain. PLUS, there's nothing like a brand new chain for cutting!! GREAT VIDEO STEVE.
Your missing the point. It's not about rescuing that chain, it's no longer the correct pitch. Running an out of pitch chain will wear drive sprockets, nose sprockets and increase danger.
@@aussiehardwood6196 I totally got your point! My point is why mess with cutting the chain in the first place. I know all about the pitch aspect but my point was for the cost of a new chain, why even bother risking your safety or the safety of the saw. . Just buy a new one.
Excellent advice, Steve. Chains stretch for various reasons.....insufficient oiling, bad oil, cutting when dull, pulling out a pinched bar from a cut. Here's another lesser known reason.....adjusting chain tension when the chain is hot. When it cools down it shrinks in length....A LOT, and gets stretched. I advise to never adjust chain tension on a hot saw, especially when the chain is hot.
Yeah man, I'm an old dude so I've known this for years. When the chain gets hot, it stretches and you shut off the saw and tighten it up. BUT the key is to loosen it when you are done, before it cools off and shrinks and raises hell with your saw, sitting on the shelf under tension.
Thanks Steve... I sorta learned this the hard way on motorcycles... had a small dirt bike when I was a kid... same thing, chain tensioner ran out to the end, so hey no problem, I'll take out a couple links, and presto, chain tensioner back to where it should be! Fast forward a few days and I take a look at the sprocket teeth... they were "curled" and eventually the chain started to skip on the teeth...! So ended up having to buy not only a new chain but new sprockets as well...!
Great advice. A new chain is much cheaper than a new bar tip , sprocket & clutch (and / or arm surgery when the chain slips off the bar nose). Thanks Steve, for making us smarter and keeping us safer.
Very good advice back in the 1980s I had the same problem with my Honda XL250 46 Tooth Rear Sprocket a worn chain would come off going through woodland.
I come here to learn about chain saws. My expertise is so bad that I have to graduate to whiskey to even enjoy a cheer! Oh my Stihl is around 20 years old (I don't use it much anymore) and I'm still learning about chainsaws. Thanks for the video Steve!
GREAT video on chainsaw loops, Steve. Your comment near the end is really important, about the oiler not working properly is probably the cause of chains stretching. I would encourage you to mention that cleaning chainsaws is vitally important to keep everything working properly and to keep oiler free of debris. Chainsaw work is dirty work and it requires good maintenance. BTW, your shop is very clean on all your videos. Thanks again for a great reminder.
Great way to display this Steve, I used to try and explain this to customers about motorbike chains, a damaged sprocket will damage a chain and same the other way if they buy a new sprocket and not change to a new chain, it’s going to reverse the damage back to their brand $100 sprockets
Absolutely great advice, SteveO! Never thought about this before. Never knew why chain looseness was a sign of problems ahead! Thanks for the heads up! Hopefully, you and April have a fantastic week! Cheers 🍹 🍻
Thank you for all the great advice! I'm new to having a chainsaw after being afraid of getting one for years. The particular one I have, a battery-operated Bauer, is really simple, but of course, there's still a lot to know and a lot to learn.
When you showed the chain is longer between rivets, I realized the sprocket and bar end teeth (as you called them) would not be aligned and that would damage them, but I did not realize that the bar not getting enough oil was what caused it, so there's the fix. Great tips and teaching in another great video, Steve! 👍👍 Thank you. I hope you and Miss April are doing well.
Hey Steve! This is a no brainer for someone who rides a bicycle. A lengthened chain ruins your much more expensive sprockets. Plus on the chainsaw such a worn out chain increases the danger of a chain breaking. Just out of curiosity: How do you put the shortened chain back together? Bike chains come open, with special links for joining the ends, because you need to get them through the tail frame in order to mount it. And you need special tools. I am not aware of such tools or links for saw-chains. A new Stihl chain for my small saw cost about 8 Euro (7,5 US$). I do not have to think twice. Cheers Andreas
Very helpful information. In 20-plus years of cutting, I have never had that issue. I would assume the slop is caused by worn rivets, which could also break, potentially causing injury as well as damage to the saw.
I try to avoid calling it chain stretch, that isn't what really happens. It's wear, and when a chain gets excessively worn to the point you want to cut a few links out it's also a dangerous chain. Those pins are only so thick and with so many of them in a chain, the chances of one being weak enough to let go in the middle of a cut starts to increase. A new chain on an old sprocket and a new sproket with an old chain will also cog. But if you have a new sprocket and a new chain and it sounds like a 3/4" ratchet you've got the wrong equipment. I had a saw dropped off for a sprocket replacement with owner provided parts. When I put the saw on the sharpening jig it sounded like a recoil with hung up pawls. Bar said 3/8" measuring the pitch it was 3/8". Took the old sprocket and a known 3/8 chain and compared it to a .325. Someone had put the wrong bar and chain set on the saw and it ate the sprocket. Told the owner and got the "But that's what came on the saw." So we downsized the 20" 3/8" bar to a more reasonable 18" .325" on the 3HP saw.
⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Another great video! Like most things, when you can’t adjust the tension there is an underlying reason. It’s way cheaper to replace the chain as opposed to a bar and sprocket. As you said the lack of oil probably plays a big factor for the issue to begin with. Thanks for sharing!
Hey Steve, Have you tested or tried the Stihl light04 bar and chain yet? Is it worth buying? Would it be good for milling with an bush mill being smaller width?
Steve, good video. Any chance you could discuss making your own chains from a 100' roll. I am thinking about doing that, but not sure where to get supplies. Thanks
Yes Steve that Chain is Definitely Worn out. Combination of Dirt, possibly Wrong Oil. Also could be on the Bar to tight. Regular Maintenance on your Saw is a Must for me and Should be a Standard Procedure for everyone. Mine are down now for my Monthly go over and Cleaning. Keep up your great Video's my Buddy. See you at the Next one. Ron from the Woodyard in Upstate NY.
Yep. A worn chain will prematurely wear the sprocket and bar; a worn sprocket will have an adverse effect on the chain; and a worn bar will prematurely wear the chain. A well matched and in good condition sprocket, bar and chain, are a mechanical ballet. Keep on top of the maintenance and an eye on wear tolerances. Replace when needed or there’ll be more parts that will need replacing sooner.
Good info. I always try to keep a spare for each saw on hand just incase something happens. I didn’t know the chains could stretch to the point of people needing to remove links.
Very educational video, Steve! I've never run a chain long enough for this to happen, but I would think a new chain every now and then is cheap insurance.
I used to cycle competitively, and went trough several chains in a year. The standard was that if they stretched by over 1/10th of an inch in 10 inches, they were too worn. One quality brand of chain would be marginally tight for the first two hours, and would not engage on the smaller cogs. With the mud that we used to go through whilst Mountain Biking, daily cleaning and re-oiling was always necessary.
Why didn't you post this video two weeks ago? Ya know, before I sprung for a new chean breaker and rivet spinner? That money could have gone toward a lot of NEW chain! Good content, sir. Keep up the good work.
I was taught to check the oiler before using the saw every time. For those that don't know how to check it. Place the tip of the bar an inch or so from a piece of cardboard and rev the saw for a few seconds. You should see oil flung off onto the cardboard.
Great video! Now, about the oiling, my neighbor borrowed my craftsman chainsaw and put 80wt gear oil in the resevior. Of course it does not oil anymore so I have not used it. What do I need to do to fix it? 🤷♂️🤦♂️🤬 😂🤣
Interesting, I have this problem with Husqvarna 550 XPG, it's my bad because I use sometimes to remove stomps. Got two drive sprockets destroyed, yeah, now I know why. 😅
I had that happen to one chain once and I attributed it to cutting through logs that were coated with sand in hot temperatures, thinking the heat expanded the steel and the sand caused greater wear
On my dads old husky rancher 50 1988 model, when I did it up I found the reason it wasn't oiling properly was because the filter screen of the oil pick up was covered in silicone or something. It's possible the pick up might have been installed with silicone to try to stop an oil leak because the saw used to leak a bit. (Another thing one might find when they come across an old saw)
A few things will happen with operation when chains are stretched it will pop off, it can bind/jam, tear up the bar, tear up the sprocket, hang up on what you are cutting, make it difficult to make proper cuts, or not cut at all. All things I have experienced in my years of cutting when I was learning. Something that can destroy a chain quickly, and take years off its life is trying to cut with it dull. It burns through the wood supper heating it causing it to warp and stretch. Best to switch out your chain as you notice hesitation when you cut. A good chain will glide through with little to no pressure on the bar. Thanks for this very helpful, informative, need to know video. So much garbage out there these days giving bad advice. Nice to have experts like you giving out the truly correct information.
Never thought about it from that angle before but it makes total sense. I am 67 and quit taking links out quite a while back because I just got lazy. A lot easier just to buy a new chain. LOL 👴
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Can you tell me what 18 inch bar I can put on my MS170?
For the cost of a new chain isn't worth the headache of cutting the old chain.
PLUS, there's nothing like a brand new chain for cutting!!
GREAT VIDEO STEVE.
Your missing the point. It's not about rescuing that chain, it's no longer the correct pitch. Running an out of pitch chain will wear drive sprockets, nose sprockets and increase danger.
@@aussiehardwood6196 I totally got your point!
My point is why mess with cutting the chain in the first place.
I know all about the pitch aspect but my point was for the cost of a new chain, why even bother risking your safety or the safety of the saw. . Just buy a new one.
@@tct9mm151 Dude, that's not what you said. Go reread your original statement.
Steve, you are such a good instructor! I have learned a lot from you over the years. Well done, my Canadian friend!
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Ive been ising a chain saw forever and never thought about this. What an excellent video. Thanks
Glad to help
This has to be one of the most informative and easy to understand videos I've seen anywhere. Thank you Steve!
Wow, thanks!
Excellent advice, Steve. Chains stretch for various reasons.....insufficient oiling, bad oil, cutting when dull, pulling out a pinched bar from a cut.
Here's another lesser known reason.....adjusting chain tension when the chain is hot. When it cools down it shrinks in length....A LOT, and gets stretched. I advise to never adjust chain tension on a hot saw, especially when the chain is hot.
Yeah man, I'm an old dude so I've known this for years. When the chain gets hot, it stretches and you shut off the saw and tighten it up. BUT the key is to loosen it when you are done, before it cools off and shrinks and raises hell with your saw, sitting on the shelf under tension.
Thanks Steve... I sorta learned this the hard way on motorcycles... had a small dirt bike when I was a kid... same thing, chain tensioner ran out to the end, so hey no problem, I'll take out a couple links, and presto, chain tensioner back to where it should be!
Fast forward a few days and I take a look at the sprocket teeth... they were "curled" and eventually the chain started to skip on the teeth...!
So ended up having to buy not only a new chain but new sprockets as well...!
Another great lesson from Steve!!
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Great advice. A new chain is much cheaper than a new bar tip , sprocket & clutch (and / or arm surgery when the chain slips off the bar nose). Thanks Steve, for making us smarter and keeping us safer.
Something I never thought of before, but it certainly makes sense, Steve. Thanks!
Right on
Very good advice back in the 1980s I had the same problem with my Honda XL250 46 Tooth Rear Sprocket a worn chain would come off going through woodland.
I come here to learn about chain saws. My expertise is so bad that I have to graduate to whiskey to even enjoy a cheer! Oh my Stihl is around 20 years old (I don't use it much anymore) and I'm still learning about chainsaws. Thanks for the video Steve!
GREAT video on chainsaw loops, Steve. Your comment near the end is really important, about the oiler not working properly is probably the cause of chains stretching.
I would encourage you to mention that cleaning chainsaws is vitally important to keep everything working properly and to keep oiler free of debris. Chainsaw work is dirty work and it requires good maintenance. BTW, your shop is very clean on all your videos.
Thanks again for a great reminder.
I wouldn’t expect anything less from the master! Thank you sir!!!☮✌🏻
Cheers!
Just when I think I know everything..Great video Steve. Thank you
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Good one Steve. I hope you and April are doing well 🔧👍
I rarely use a chainsaw as home owner. What an eduction I am getting here. Thank you.
Thanks Steve.
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Great way to display this Steve, I used to try and explain this to customers about motorbike chains, a damaged sprocket will damage a chain and same the other way if they buy a new sprocket and not change to a new chain, it’s going to reverse the damage back to their brand $100 sprockets
Absolutely great advice, SteveO! Never thought about this before. Never knew why chain looseness was a sign of problems ahead! Thanks for the heads up! Hopefully, you and April have a fantastic week! Cheers 🍹 🍻
Very good! I have used chainsaws for years and did not know what you just taught. Thanks.
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Thank you for all the great advice! I'm new to having a chainsaw after being afraid of getting one for years. The particular one I have, a battery-operated Bauer, is really simple, but of course, there's still a lot to know and a lot to learn.
Steve l wondered why I made that clicking sound with my old saw chain. Now to increase my oil output. That helps so much.
Right on
When you showed the chain is longer between rivets, I realized the sprocket and bar end teeth (as you called them) would not be aligned and that would damage them, but I did not realize that the bar not getting enough oil was what caused it, so there's the fix. Great tips and teaching in another great video, Steve! 👍👍 Thank you. I hope you and Miss April are doing well.
Every video you post teaches me new things....thanks, Steve.
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I learned a lot! I have watched a lot of chain saw videos and never heard it explained like this. Thanks Steve.
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Hey Steve! This is a no brainer for someone who rides a bicycle. A lengthened chain ruins your much more expensive sprockets. Plus on the chainsaw such a worn out chain increases the danger of a chain breaking.
Just out of curiosity: How do you put the shortened chain back together? Bike chains come open, with special links for joining the ends, because you need to get them through the tail frame in order to mount it. And you need special tools. I am not aware of such tools or links for saw-chains.
A new Stihl chain for my small saw cost about 8 Euro (7,5 US$). I do not have to think twice.
Cheers
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Great info Steve. It's the small details that are so easy to overlook. Thanks brother👍🇺🇲👊
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Great tutorial, thanks for posting.
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Very helpful information. In 20-plus years of cutting, I have never had that issue. I would assume the slop is caused by worn rivets, which could also break, potentially causing injury as well as damage to the saw.
Thank you. Always helpful. Great info.
Glad it was helpful!
I always look forward to learning from your channel.
That's great to hear!
Excellent video, Steve, on why it's not a good idea to remove two drive links. 👍👍
A great way to ruin the spocket and nose and most likely the bar. 👍👍
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Damn Steve, you make it make sense. Thank you!
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Great information Steve, Thanks 👍🏻
Thanks for sharing. This is something I never thought about before. Great Job Steve.
You are my goto for anything small engine ...thank you.
Wow, thank you!
I try to avoid calling it chain stretch, that isn't what really happens. It's wear, and when a chain gets excessively worn to the point you want to cut a few links out it's also a dangerous chain. Those pins are only so thick and with so many of them in a chain, the chances of one being weak enough to let go in the middle of a cut starts to increase. A new chain on an old sprocket and a new sproket with an old chain will also cog. But if you have a new sprocket and a new chain and it sounds like a 3/4" ratchet you've got the wrong equipment. I had a saw dropped off for a sprocket replacement with owner provided parts. When I put the saw on the sharpening jig it sounded like a recoil with hung up pawls. Bar said 3/8" measuring the pitch it was 3/8". Took the old sprocket and a known 3/8 chain and compared it to a .325. Someone had put the wrong bar and chain set on the saw and it ate the sprocket. Told the owner and got the "But that's what came on the saw." So we downsized the 20" 3/8" bar to a more reasonable 18" .325" on the 3HP saw.
Steve, Excellent !!! Never considered this myself. Happy Holidays from the U.S.A.
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This type of content is WHY I started watching TH-cam videos…THANKS Steve for posting this episode!!! Tim in northern Tennessee
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Good lesson. Thank you.
⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️Another great video! Like most things, when you can’t adjust the tension there is an underlying reason. It’s way cheaper to replace the chain as opposed to a bar and sprocket. As you said the lack of oil probably plays a big factor for the issue to begin with. Thanks for sharing!
Steve, my only wish is to catch up and enjoy a cold one!
Hey Steve, Have you tested or tried the Stihl light04 bar and chain yet? Is it worth buying? Would it be good for milling with an bush mill being smaller width?
Love all your videos. What bar and chain oil do you recommend? I have been using Poulan Pro bar oil
Steve, good video. Any chance you could discuss making your own chains from a 100' roll. I am thinking about doing that, but not sure where to get supplies. Thanks
Yes Steve that Chain is Definitely Worn out. Combination of Dirt, possibly Wrong Oil. Also could be on the Bar to tight. Regular Maintenance on your Saw is a Must for me and Should be a Standard Procedure for everyone. Mine are down now for my Monthly go over and Cleaning. Keep up your great Video's my Buddy. See you at the Next one. Ron from the Woodyard in Upstate NY.
Yep. A worn chain will prematurely wear the sprocket and bar; a worn sprocket will have an adverse effect on the chain; and a worn bar will prematurely wear the chain.
A well matched and in good condition sprocket, bar and chain, are a mechanical ballet. Keep on top of the maintenance and an eye on wear tolerances. Replace when needed or there’ll be more parts that will need replacing sooner.
As always Steve, you bring the most useful information that the "users" need and can easily put into practice. Short and sweet. Great stuff.
Good info. I always try to keep a spare for each saw on hand just incase something happens. I didn’t know the chains could stretch to the point of people needing to remove links.
Very educational video, Steve! I've never run a chain long enough for this to happen, but I would think a new chain every now and then is cheap insurance.
Great segment Steve. Good illustration of chain saw stretch. i always find chain sizing confusing.
Great video, Steve. My first thought was not enough oil, or the wrong type of oil. Some people will run any type of used oil to "save" money.
What? I shouldn't have used cod liver oil.
Great video... especially the white background close up shots. I had no idea, and will be checking all of my chains soon. Well done Steve!
Appreciate the feedback!
I used to cycle competitively, and went trough several chains in a year. The standard was that if they stretched by over 1/10th of an inch in 10 inches, they were too worn.
One quality brand of chain would be marginally tight for the first two hours, and would not engage on the smaller cogs.
With the mud that we used to go through whilst Mountain Biking, daily cleaning and re-oiling was always necessary.
Well explained!
Great explanation
Thanks Steve. Didn't know this. 😊
EXCELLENT video & advice.
My frugal DumbA needed to see this. Thank you for saving me extra work which only leads to more expenses.
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Thank you Steve! This is a very informative and helpful video.
Why didn't you post this video two weeks ago? Ya know, before I sprung for a new chean breaker and rivet spinner? That money could have gone toward a lot of NEW chain!
Good content, sir. Keep up the good work.
You're right I never thought about that but it makes total sense. Excellent information!
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Your the man Steve 💯💯✔️✔️👍. From Melbourne AUSTRALIA 👍🤠
Great info
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I guess you do learn something new everyday ❤
Love your channel. Good info every time.
I appreciate that!
👍👍👍. Great info. Thanks Steve
Hey Steve thanks for the interesting video would love to see a video on the chain locker really an interesting improvement for chainsaw users thank
AWESOME THANK YOU FOR SHARING 🙏
Anyone that rides a motorcycle or bicycle should know this.
I was taught to check the oiler before using the saw every time. For those that don't know how to check it. Place the tip of the bar an inch or so from a piece of cardboard and rev the saw for a few seconds. You should see oil flung off onto the cardboard.
Great info Steve. Your the best. Cheers
Thanks Steve!🍻
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Great video! Now, about the oiling, my neighbor borrowed my craftsman chainsaw and put 80wt gear oil in the resevior. Of course it does not oil anymore so I have not used it. What do I need to do to fix it? 🤷♂️🤦♂️🤬 😂🤣
Hi Steve! Great Video! :)
Hey, thanks!
TY for Sharing
Interesting, I have this problem with Husqvarna 550 XPG, it's my bad because I use sometimes to remove stomps. Got two drive sprockets destroyed, yeah, now I know why. 😅
Thanks Steve...you ' enlightened ' me again ! Great information to know...
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Thanks for the info buddy. 🇺🇸
Great video! Thanks
Steve, how do you check if it is oiling enough? I used to think to check for oil spray off the end of the bar but is that correct?
yes
Good video thanks
Great vid Steve, good visual aids.
Thanks for the feedback!
Great advice! Thanks Steve
Any time!
Excellent ❤
Saw you pop up, nice video Steve, I've only got a mini chainsaw so I can just about manage the maintenance on that 🙃 Top tips as usual 👌
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I had that happen to one chain once and I attributed it to cutting through logs that were coated with sand in hot temperatures, thinking the heat expanded the steel and the sand caused greater wear
On my dads old husky rancher 50 1988 model, when I did it up I found the reason it wasn't oiling properly was because the filter screen of the oil pick up was covered in silicone or something. It's possible the pick up might have been installed with silicone to try to stop an oil leak because the saw used to leak a bit. (Another thing one might find when they come across an old saw)
A few things will happen with operation when chains are stretched it will pop off, it can bind/jam, tear up the bar, tear up the sprocket, hang up on what you are cutting, make it difficult to make proper cuts, or not cut at all. All things I have experienced in my years of cutting when I was learning. Something that can destroy a chain quickly, and take years off its life is trying to cut with it dull. It burns through the wood supper heating it causing it to warp and stretch. Best to switch out your chain as you notice hesitation when you cut. A good chain will glide through with little to no pressure on the bar.
Thanks for this very helpful, informative, need to know video. So much garbage out there these days giving bad advice. Nice to have experts like you giving out the truly correct information.
Very good video! Thanks for sharing.
Our pleasure!
Thats great stuff thank you Sir.
Glad you enjoyed it
Good advice, spent a week cutting to make a gravel pit larger. Stretched out a chain in a day because of rock dust on trees.
Excellent explainer video Steve! Thanks! 👍👍⛓🔗🔗
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Good show fella 🍺😎👌
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Awesome tip. Never even though of that. Good to know. Thanks.
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Nice video TY
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Never thought about it from that angle before but it makes total sense.
I am 67 and quit taking links out quite a while back because I just got lazy. A lot easier just to buy a new chain. LOL 👴
Lucky beer you brave man