Andariel is attractive... really?! Well, if you like a giant sized demoness with claws and hooves, not to mention the poisonous stingers and that angry look of "I'm going to eat you (and not in a good way either)" stompin' its way towards you, then I guess your standard of what's attractive is a bit different from mine. 😎
I would say there is more argument to be made for Griswald resisting Andariel's wilds due to his piousness. In Diablo 2 Griswald's set is of the paladin variety leading use to make the connection that at one time, before he put down his sword for a hammer, Griswald was a man of deep devote faith and a paladin of all things. This would give him the conviction and fortitude to resist the demonic feminine wilds of Andariel. And rather than being spiteful or hurt, she instead had him twisted into a perverse twisted undead to mock his former role as a protector of the living and a profession that deeply respects the peace of the dead.
Greetings! I always felt it was his dedication to his craft that kept him from the Allure. It not that he doesn't think they are pretty or something of the sort, but rather he is a man of focus, dedication, and sheer will. One of the things Diablo 2 did that I didn't like compared to 1 and 3 was the integration of the blacksmith and their story. To me someone who can use and seeks an anvil of hell requires talent and skill that comes thru dedication.
This I feel would be the better explanation. Paladins, being holy warriors, would despise all things unholy including the undead. What worse fate for a former paladin than to become the one thing he hated. This theory could be supported by Farla in act 2; she was a former paladin turned blacksmith, maybe there is a connection between her and Griswold.
Wasn't there a line that explained it, Griswold's only love was to his forge and no one comes between a smith and his forge. Married to his job, loves what he does and a will as hard as the metal he works.
Also having the will to resist temptation through years of resisting the temptation to flee the heat so that the blade would not be ruined by too little tempering.
Of course, the real reason was most likely that Griswold was probably the one NPC that players had the most interactions with in the first game and whom they felt most connected to. He was also the one NPC to keep his wits together and actively fight back against the terrors that befell Tristram (getting Wirt back from the Cathedral, sending the hero to gather items that he can use to smith mighty artefacts to help end the demon scourge etc.). Seeing Griswold as minion of the arch evils and being forced with the choice to either put him down or let him continue existing in this gruesome way was simply the surest way to get an emotional reaction out of veteran players. "It's personal now". Also, the stoic, unphased craftsman (and most of the time a blacksmith) who'd rather admire a skillfully crafted item than a beautiful (demonic) woman is simply a fantasy trope and has most likely been back then already, too.
I'd imagine that seeing those lights means he was tempted (in other words he also felt the pull of lust), but was powerful enough to resist. You forget that Griswold was the one who pulled Wirt from the Catacombs so he is also skilled in combat and strong-willed enough to not end up like Farnham. Of course that raises some interesting questions about barmaid:)
Diablo wanted Griswold to watch everyone he protected being torn apart by the demons he fought, and then remember it to inflict as much terror as possible. Or maybe it was what remained of Adrian trying to spare his allies for as long as possible. It's all speculation of course. The developers wanted you to see the NPC you spoke to the most in the first game turned into a boss mob to drive home that nobody got out. It was a pretty cool moment seeing him for the first time in II.
I agree. I imagine the devs / designers sitting around brain storiming about revisting tristram and someone just goes "how about making the player fight griswold, wouldn't that be cool?". He was perhaps the only one tough enough to survive the attack on tristram for a bit and corruption being a big theme in diablo his fate just fits for me (it's like that trope / pattern in movies where the toughest and strongest of the good guys fights bravely but the music and slowmo camera already give away.. he's gonna die a heroic, dramatic death). Also none of the other original NPCs of tristram would have scared me as he did upon first seeing him coming at me.. except maybe a corrupted pepin :D
I don't think they actually put this much thought into Griswold's fate back then tbh. I think it was more of a "shock value" to the players who made their trip back to Tristram, to see an iconic character have such a sad outcome. At least that's how I felt as a kid, seeing Griswold among the undead felt like he "refused" to die, but still was cursed and had to linger among the living, possibly doing harm to his friends and those who he once cared for.
Love the idea! My personal theory is that he's like the Scotsman from Samurai Jack. Fair maidens just aren't his type. He want the big, burly women who can cook up a strong haggis and arm wrestle you to the floor! It would be just as insulting to Andariel, that for all her perceived beauty, she was just not good enough for Griswold.
@@KrzysiuNet that's how toxic society is. I was pushed once in a point of insanity once when majority of people bullied me for a person being to discipline myself to not bite the bait of temptation of not taking advantage of women. Well, they labled me gay and many words. Now, I know who I am. Well, long story short. 😂😂😂😂
@michael stclair for there are men that has a will power that can resist that. Let's just say the blacksmith is one of them. For not all men are the same. 😂
Griswold gave me the impression that he loved his job so much, and with his undying dedication to it, he had no further reason to seek any social relationship.
I never really thought about how terrifying the line "not even death can save you from me" is. Of course, while death may not save you, a small moat will do the trick nicely. "Only mob pathing can save you from me" doesn't carry the same weight.
I always thought they used him since he was the strongest of the townsfolk. And that maybe he was still to pure to be turned into a demon, so they did the next best thing, since zombies mostly are more resilient than normal skeketons. With all those information added though, it would make sense - so maybe Andariel got lucky, and got 2 things for 1... not only to compensate for her hurt ego, but in doing so getting the best gatekeeper possible from the townsfolk
I always found it odd that demons kept Deckard Cain alive and killed everyone else.... always had a suspicion that he would betray the heroes at one point.
There is another posibility about griswold beyond sexuality that coincides with old legends. Willpower. Compared with other civilians griswold seem to be very resilient physically and mentally. He confronted at some point the Butcher, But didn't end up as traumatized as Wirt , let alone Farhnham. So Griswold just at a lack of better wording, had balls of steel. And this is why Andariel turned him into a mindless zombie. There is nothing more humiliating for someone like Griswold than becoming a mindless zombie, wich is way more humiliating than what happened to every Diablo adversary wich was either death or becoming a soldier. Andariel was like "Fine,you are not coming to me? you will be my puppet now" Besides, Griswold sexuality wasn't even slightly hinted at. While his bravery was
This is just a theory, but what if Griswold was just stubborn, and not so eager to submit to evil similar to the dwarves in Tolkien's fantasy? Tolkien states that the 7 rings of power given to the dwarves did not enslave them, unlike the other rings of power given to the other races. This was because the dwarves, by their very nature, were stubborn, resistant, and highly uncompliant. That being said, Griswold and the dwarves share many attributes and characteristics such as: both are Scottish, both are burly and stout, both have similar mannerisms, etc. Personally for me, it would make sense if this was the reason why Griswold was not tempted by Andariel. However, this begs the question of how did Griswold become his cursed form if he was so stubborn and resistant? Well, going back into Tolkien's fantasy, the dwarves were not completely unscathed by the rings, as they became more greedy, more isolated, and eventually went insane. Likewise, though Griswold's defense of his purity was completely impenetrable, he was not completely invincible to the curses that the evil ones would plague him with. More than likely, he probably fell in battle and then was resurrected as a tool to carry out Diablo's will. Overall, I think that Griswold was a humble and simple yet stubborn man, who cared only for the ones he loved as well as his craft. Oh! And he was above all *NOT GAY*!
nah i dont think griswold is gay. there are plenty of characters not seduced by andarial. Griswold was made a zombie is because he's the strongest man in the village and thus useful for fighting back the heroes.
Also him not being remade like Bloodraven might also be because he couldnt be corrupted. It took Diablo many years and help of his most trusted adviser Lazarus to break Leoric. If Griswald was cut from the same metal (no pun intended) then there wasnt the time or the ressources to do the same.
Every Diablo 1 hero was corrupted due to their constant contact with the corruption of diablo realm. The heroes of diablo had stronger will than Griswold. If griswould had gotten deeper into Diablo Realm , he would have turned into a personal soldier. Diablo never had a beef with him because while he contributed, he wasn't in the party that slew him. If it was for Diablo he would be dead already like everyone else in tristam. He was made a zombie because Adria was mad at him for not being allured and also telling everyone else at the town to not follow the lights.
There is an old Gaelic myth involving a hero who denied the charms of the goddess of death only to have her spend the rest of his life attempting to slay him. She does everything she can to cause him misery but he succeeds, even in death, as he tied himself to a rock with his own intestines to appear as if he was standing so the enemy would not attack. The hero's name is Cú Chulainn. Griswold denying Andariels charms and any succubi because his iron will, must have irritated her for sure. To become an undead slave forever, wandering what he wanted to protect so much.
This is what Diablo should be about. Not just defeating the prime evils bla bla saving the world bla bla. No simple questions with lore, intrigue and mystic and trying to help ordinary people solve mysteries. It's so wierd why all these cool and interesting quests and content was cut, but nice to see it restored.
I don’t know if this is relevant but when I was a kid and played Diablo, I LOVED reading the in game booklet over and over and over! I remember a little section about Zombies/Undead being the result of someone who is so morally corrupt and/or spiritually impure that the vileness in their soul taints the body enough that evil energies take over and reanimate it. Perhaps Griswold wasn’t as innocent as we believed and he did some vile twisted things?
@@DarkLOREDash With all the lore in just the booklets for Diablo I and II, they should create a TV series and/or a Lord of the Rings miniseries movie that focuses around a very young Jered Cain and the Horadrim hunting down the prime evils. Call it “The Horadrim.” Then again...in this day and age, they would probably make the show about Cain and Tal Rasha being lovers and other irrelevant nonsense. Wokeness is destroying everything these days. Still, it’s a nice dream.
While the concept is nice in itself, I think Griswald was simply enamored with his forge. His life's purpose was not lust, luxury or fame; he only wanted to craft weapons powerful enough to fell the lord of terror himself. Aside from Wirt(Which is ignored), all men there had singular purposes : To cure(Pepin) ,to make profit(Gheed), to protect(Ogden), to learn(Cain), to drink(Farnham) and to forge(Griswald). Griswald being the only one turned is only a testament to his devotion to the forge in life in a sense that he should be turned into one of the things that his weapons were created to destroy.
Griswold struck me as a man who was pious. It was probably a similar situation to Leoric. He certainly talked about the Light more than most in Tristram, and it makes sense if he had no interest in women from a religious perspective. Doesn't mean he was a homosexual.
outside of the fanservice Andariel has to offer , story wise i always found her to be the most mysterious one and the concept art of diablo 4 where she is shown to be kind of held as a prisoner is further proof of the fact other demons might find her too dangerous
There is no mystery at all. Griswald is a Swanson. "Succubi do nothing for me. I like the strong, salt of the earth, self-possessed woman at the top of her field".
Both theories about Griswold being too pure and being interested in men are quite good. But I guess we would need one of the folks responsible for writing the story for the game to explain how was it exactly.
He may have been gay, however like you said, the period wasn't really receptive so I doubt it, for that reason and another, the male PC's aren't effected by Andariel and neither was Deckard Cain or Pepin. It's also possible that Pepin was Griswolds secret lover and Deckard was suffering from performance issues but I guess we'll never know.
Interedting take on Griswold! The firsr Diablo game is absolutely matchless in terms of look and feel. The music in the dungeons alone, good Lord. And the Halls of the Blind.
I am a Diablo gamer since D1. You got my sub for this interesting video. Although i will not be getting D2 Resurrections as i am satisfied with my original copy of D2X (Diablo 2 Expansion). I had it since it came out and it still works good. My earliest memory of Diablo games was Diablo 1 on PC back in 1998 when i was in the 3rd or 4th grade. I saw my friend from school playing it and he was playing as the Sorceror and i had no idea what game he was playing but it did fascinate me. I didnt figure what this mystery game was until i was a bit older. Diablo 1 and Darkstone will always be legends in the gaming community that will forever be remembered and today's games still dont quite top them...regardless who wants to argue with me on this statement.
I think Andariel might have resurrected Griswold as a taunt by turning the most virtuous man in the town into a flesh eating corpse, perhaps in his zombie form he can still craft weapons? Maybe she prefered to turn him into a demon but he was too virtuous. I also don't think he is gay because i remember Gillian or Ogden mentioning that he has a wife that died and that it was a hard hit for him, maybe he loved her a lot, maybe after that he was unable to feel in love again or paying attention to Andariel's shinny lights. However i would like your theory to be true, i think it would be very funny having Andariel feeling like that over Griswold
Interesting.. I always wondered how Griswold has fallen.. This is the most logical answer.. Not becouse Griswold was gay, it is becouse Griswold has been resisted against the temptations of Andariel..Becouse he was a strong willed tough man, that was his nature as a blacksmith. And she was pissed off and punished him.
Somehow, I thought you were going to infer that Gillian is actually Andariel (or a servant) in disguise. Imagine if that's why Adria entrusted her. Imagine if that's why she was communing with the dead when Leah encountered her madness as the return of Azmodan and Belial was eminent.
In WildTangent Game's own dungeon crawler called "Fate" (aka diablo's little nephew), the potion merchant (although sometimes he is even reused as other NPCs) has one piece of dialogue that's an easter egg to Griswold I think. "What can I do for ya?" is that piece, but also they have somewhat similar accents and physical build.
I doubt this is the reason why only griswold got raised as an undead. Iirc lore and story correctly griswold was the only one left in the village who could put up a fight against andariel. He fought in the catacombs with farnham and the others and with farnham being an insane drunk, griswold was probably the only one fighting back andariel. She may have raised him, because he gave her trouble or, because he was just a worthy guard to leave behind and also mock/demoralize cain. But not everything has to make perfect sense tbh, because cain being the only survivor is the biggest plot hole of tristram. After diablo got control of Aidan it should have been his highest priority to kill cain. And even after he sent andariel it should have been her highest priority to kill cain, because it makes no sense to kill everyone except for that one guy, who knows everything about u, assisted in your downfall before, knows how to stop you and made it his job and yet you decide to keep him alive.
The graphics of Diablo II: Resurrected are something else. Even after playing the original game for upwards of 12-13 years, I didn't perceive some story-related details the way the creators of the game intended until I saw them rerendered with modern technologies.
Where are these cut scenes/quests/clips of the townsfolk interactions related to this content? Where is Cain found in a cage and Griswold found to be an undead? Is it in D2 or D3? I have never seen any of this content being referenced in this video… Very intriguing!
The interactions with the townsfolk, as well as Andariel's very existence, is cut content from Diablo I. Undead Griswold and Dain in a gibbet are all from the Tristram encounter in Act I of Diablo II.
I disagree with this. I don't see this as canon. In Diablo 2 it was stated that Diablo himself/ The Dark Wanderer, summoned Andariel to guard the way east. That would mean that there was no way for Griswold to have been transformed by Andariel. Andariel was summoned after the wanderer left tristram and her instructions from Diablo was to prevent anyone from following him. (Side note: He still was followed by Marius, but it worked out for ol' terror boy.) There are other cut quests from Diablo 1 that the Belzebub mod turned back on, that also put key figures in places they shouldn't be. If this was the original intention of the quest before diablo 2, I'm pretty sure it was retconned since the quest was officially cut from Diablo 1. No sir, I think it's much more simple than that. I think that Griswold simply got eaten by zombies and because of the Diablo's power just recently awakened in his town, He didn't stay dead. I think the one thing you got right though is that Griswold has a strong will. I believe the dark power of terror that lingered in town after Diablo left, transformed Griswold after He'd been killed by zombies, because of his strong will that would not be extinguished.
Well... griswold makes gear for you to venture down in the depths of hell... what else do you think he could make to prevent hellish things happening. Besides, his animations aren't biting.. it's punching. so there's that..
I think it should be noted that Griswold as a super unique in Diablo 2 always has the cursed mod affix. Could be the nature of his transformation from human to mere undead, being a type of curse of some kind instead of him just being a reanimated corpse.
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Great video! I always went with the Pious theroy. Though it wouldn't suprise me if there where more to this since the writers where really clever with the first two games.
I mean he could be gay, but he didn't say he saw andariel or anything just the lights so im not sure sexuality comes in play here. It might just simply be that he had the common sense to not investigate lights in the woods in the middle of the night
I thought there was lore somewhere that said Griswold was a veteran who got injured in combat and decided to set up shop as a blacksmith, then ultimately fell so in-love with his job that Andariel cursed him to be a mindless husk who would never wield a weapon again? Maybe it was some fan fiction I read like 20 years ago I don't remember at this point. I do like the idea though that Griswold is basically the progenitor of the "Begone, thot!" meme.
10:12 all the dark atmosphere of this video is lost after this... And then the 'Bear' 😂😂 I think probably Griswold love interest is a more big woman, as a viking woman, and not a skinny maiden.
Dude, 100% figured the same thing wayyyyy back when after hearing how he describes the black mushroom - for those of you that forgot, I’d recommend going back and checking his dialogue there, because it does kind of come off as a bit... enthusiastic? Now, it certainly could be more of a wink and a nod from the developers playing it for laughs back then, but after eventually playing the Belzebub mod a couple years back and seeing this same cut dialogue from Griswold regarding the Andariel quest, it really doesn’t seem all that far-fetched. And while I could really not care less about Gris’ sexuality, maybe there could be a story connection for this beyond just players’ closer connection to the guy who outfitted us in D1. In any case, I don’t think Griswold actually being intended as gay is as unlikely as some people are adamantly saying.
I'm surprised that the Anvil of Fury didn't have some sort of negative side-effects when used by Grizwold, because after all, he did say it imbued the things crafted on it with "demonic essence".
Hmm, maybe just maybe griswold wasnt tempted because he was an important NPC you cant kill off the blacksmith gotta have someone to repair your equipment, in D2 he wasn't needed to be a blacksmith so turn him into a monster for the players to kill, just to keep some form of congruency marking cain as the only survivor.
I'm sorry all I can imagine is Andarial trying to seduce Griswold, and he responding with (insert the Scotsmans rambling insult from samurai jack for a solid hour)
Diablo literally destroyed the town of Tristram and turned grizwald into a zombie when he tried to stop him, quoting “... and corrupted the last noble hero who tried to stop him.” That was Deckard Cane, when he talks to the player character after being freed from his prison in Tristram. Andariel had NOTHING to do with this in any capacity.
not to shit on your theory but it might just be because griswold is the one we have the biggest connection too from the first one since it him that makes out journey posible if it was ogden that was a zombie i dont think it would have as big an impact
I find it puzzling that just because Grisswold wasn't attracted to her, it only means that he was either too pure or just gay. Maybe it just means that he wasn't into that type of female?
My head cannon is Griwald probably did encounter Andarial and he layed the steel down so hard it messed up her whole power dynamic and she developed some borderline resentment. She wanted to punish him but kept him around in some capacity just in case.
Succubi are intergender, meaning any succubus and transform into an incubus at any time they choose. Griswold being gay would not protect him from the call of Andariel. Griswold resisted her because he was a genuinely good person whos stronger of will and chatacter than let on.
well...there is another possibility...Asexuality ;D (calling it "just strong willed" or "married to his forge" might just be good ways to write around the plain fact)
@@darth0tator so in your opinion, everyone who dedicates their lives to a higher purpose like a monk, priest, knight, scientists etc are really asexual, not disciplined professionals not tempted by primal urges and desires
Griswold isn't/wasn't gay. His love for the forge was simply too much for a succubus to overcome. You dare give apropos to a man loving his wife more than a succubus, but not to a man and his steel? You need to understand the weakness of flesh as opposed to the strength and certainty of steel.
I think he might be immune due to his love for his craft, I believe he never cared about anything but smithing, so her charms were useless... Now, if she was a magic hammer...
Mh new and easier way to Uber Diablo since the "sell soj" event was only created to remove duplicated ones... Go to tristram kill everything and add the tower from D1 and then you are can go through everything there (clear the tower until hell opens etc) and ends on UBER diablo from Diablo 1 - would be a great (but expensive) change where I doubt anyone regardless of old or new communtiy would complain about
Ogden and Pepin seems way more gay than Griswold based on their personality and how they communicate. But then again, people who want to hide it (remain in the closet) may actually behave in a different (more masculine) way on purpose. Why not just ask David Brevik (the head developer of Diablo and Diablo II) to confirm or deny?
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An atttractive, vindictive woman getting rejected? Yeah, Griswold got away cheap lol
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Yeah, look at poor Johny Depp :(
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Andariel is attractive... really?! Well, if you like a giant sized demoness with claws and hooves, not to mention the poisonous stingers and that angry look of "I'm going to eat you (and not in a good way either)" stompin' its way towards you, then I guess your standard of what's attractive is a bit different from mine. 😎
He was spared the alimony lol
I would say there is more argument to be made for Griswald resisting Andariel's wilds due to his piousness. In Diablo 2 Griswald's set is of the paladin variety leading use to make the connection that at one time, before he put down his sword for a hammer, Griswald was a man of deep devote faith and a paladin of all things. This would give him the conviction and fortitude to resist the demonic feminine wilds of Andariel. And rather than being spiteful or hurt, she instead had him twisted into a perverse twisted undead to mock his former role as a protector of the living and a profession that deeply respects the peace of the dead.
Greetings! I always felt it was his dedication to his craft that kept him from the Allure. It not that he doesn't think they are pretty or something of the sort, but rather he is a man of focus, dedication, and sheer will. One of the things Diablo 2 did that I didn't like compared to 1 and 3 was the integration of the blacksmith and their story. To me someone who can use and seeks an anvil of hell requires talent and skill that comes thru dedication.
I love how nobody on this accursed thread can spell "Wiles"
@@housefullofransackery3505 I came to snarkily comment about it, but yours was better
This man, it's the midwit take now that if somebody doesn't fall for the lure of a demon, clearly they must be gay.
This I feel would be the better explanation. Paladins, being holy warriors, would despise all things unholy including the undead. What worse fate for a former paladin than to become the one thing he hated. This theory could be supported by Farla in act 2; she was a former paladin turned blacksmith, maybe there is a connection between her and Griswold.
Wasn't there a line that explained it, Griswold's only love was to his forge and no one comes between a smith and his forge. Married to his job, loves what he does and a will as hard as the metal he works.
Yeah, married to their jobs. I've met guys like that who got divorced because of it. It's like they're life and identity is the job.
We stan an asexual icon.
That's a pretty smart observation. It could just as well be that.
Also having the will to resist temptation through years of resisting the temptation to flee the heat so that the blade would not be ruined by too little tempering.
"he was married to his job and never had a wife or children, he was deeply missed by his roommate who lived with him for 20 years" - Historians
Andarel knew would never get Griswold's Edge
Pretty sure it's because he's strong willed. Strong like the material he shapes and forges.
👍👍👍Correct!
Strong like the dong!
Probably.
But he wasn't even tempted in the first place so his will had nothing to do with it
Agreed
Why would a succubus turn him into a zombie? Rigor Mortis baby
Of course, the real reason was most likely that Griswold was probably the one NPC that players had the most interactions with in the first game and whom they felt most connected to. He was also the one NPC to keep his wits together and actively fight back against the terrors that befell Tristram (getting Wirt back from the Cathedral, sending the hero to gather items that he can use to smith mighty artefacts to help end the demon scourge etc.). Seeing Griswold as minion of the arch evils and being forced with the choice to either put him down or let him continue existing in this gruesome way was simply the surest way to get an emotional reaction out of veteran players. "It's personal now".
Also, the stoic, unphased craftsman (and most of the time a blacksmith) who'd rather admire a skillfully crafted item than a beautiful (demonic) woman is simply a fantasy trope and has most likely been back then already, too.
I'd imagine that seeing those lights means he was tempted (in other words he also felt the pull of lust), but was powerful enough to resist. You forget that Griswold was the one who pulled Wirt from the Catacombs so he is also skilled in combat and strong-willed enough to not end up like Farnham.
Of course that raises some interesting questions about barmaid:)
But he said he specifically didn't feel the pull towards it at all.
Dunno who pulled Wirt but griswald was saved (drug out) by Farnham dunno how he managed to drag the little shit as well
The barmaid also saw them. I don't think both were tempted
Thank you for this content.
Diablo (1) also deserves its own remastered.
LOUDER!!!
I think the Belzebub / Thernobog mods have probably ensured that there is no need for a D1 remaster, or remake of any sort.
Totally. I wish they remastered PSX version though, which was superior imho
*"It sounds like... a huge, gargantuan, swollen, bloated mushroom!"* -Griswold
LOL.
Whoa... now THAT'S a BIG mushroom! :)
Diablo wanted Griswold to watch everyone he protected being torn apart by the demons he fought, and then remember it to inflict as much terror as possible. Or maybe it was what remained of Adrian trying to spare his allies for as long as possible. It's all speculation of course. The developers wanted you to see the NPC you spoke to the most in the first game turned into a boss mob to drive home that nobody got out. It was a pretty cool moment seeing him for the first time in II.
Even that seen Griswold in D II was epic it was a sad moment at the same time.
Aidan, not Adrian.
@@OfARisenFall lol, didn't even notice I typed that.
I agree. I imagine the devs / designers sitting around brain storiming about revisting tristram and someone just goes "how about making the player fight griswold, wouldn't that be cool?". He was perhaps the only one tough enough to survive the attack on tristram for a bit and corruption being a big theme in diablo his fate just fits for me (it's like that trope / pattern in movies where the toughest and strongest of the good guys fights bravely but the music and slowmo camera already give away.. he's gonna die a heroic, dramatic death). Also none of the other original NPCs of tristram would have scared me as he did upon first seeing him coming at me.. except maybe a corrupted pepin :D
The warriors name is Aiden not Adrian
I don't think they actually put this much thought into Griswold's fate back then tbh. I think it was more of a "shock value" to the players who made their trip back to Tristram, to see an iconic character have such a sad outcome. At least that's how I felt as a kid, seeing Griswold among the undead felt like he "refused" to die, but still was cursed and had to linger among the living, possibly doing harm to his friends and those who he once cared for.
Love the idea! My personal theory is that he's like the Scotsman from Samurai Jack. Fair maidens just aren't his type. He want the big, burly women who can cook up a strong haggis and arm wrestle you to the floor! It would be just as insulting to Andariel, that for all her perceived beauty, she was just not good enough for Griswold.
She'd have been good enough for me. I'm willing to take that risk. ;)
@@FilipRanogajec Andarijel bogomoljka
Man that is the best explanation .
My second favourite theory after Dash's!
I like this lol this should be canon.
Not only gay can resest women temptation, men with discipline and resolve also can. It just up to the person's will and choice to do so.
@@KrzysiuNet that's how toxic society is. I was pushed once in a point of insanity once when majority of people bullied me for a person being to discipline myself to not bite the bait of temptation of not taking advantage of women. Well, they labled me gay and many words. Now, I know who I am. Well, long story short. 😂😂😂😂
good point
True words!
@michael stclair for there are men that has a will power that can resist that. Let's just say the blacksmith is one of them. For not all men are the same. 😂
Griswold gave me the impression that he loved his job so much, and with his undying dedication to it, he had no further reason to seek any social relationship.
Or what if Griswold just had a higher taste in life? Or maybe he is married to his job lmao
tuck295q poor fella, I guess no one in the village is the same as him
@@tuck295q hes sweeter on gillian than anyone else in d1 lol
I never really thought about how terrifying the line "not even death can save you from me" is. Of course, while death may not save you, a small moat will do the trick nicely.
"Only mob pathing can save you from me" doesn't carry the same weight.
Griswold as a bear is now canon, thanks LORE.
I always thought they used him since he was the strongest of the townsfolk.
And that maybe he was still to pure to be turned into a demon, so they did the next best thing, since zombies mostly are more resilient than normal skeketons.
With all those information added though, it would make sense - so maybe Andariel got lucky, and got 2 things for 1... not only to compensate for her hurt ego, but in doing so getting the best gatekeeper possible from the townsfolk
Griswold was rocking that sigma grindset.
Griswold: *jumps from the counter in a skintight green suit*
Griswold: „I‘m gayyy“
Andariel: „Noooooooooooooooo“
I always found it odd that demons kept Deckard Cain alive and killed everyone else.... always had a suspicion that he would betray the heroes at one point.
He’s the last of the Horodrim. He was likely being tortured in some way for his knowledge because he alone knew much more than any one person.
Let's us recall how Cain died
I thought Dark Wanderer in that time had some old self there and commanded demons to spare him since he dragged them there
@@growingoaks But if that was the case, he would have been dragged along with Diablo instead.
Griswold was just too Chad for Andariel's temptations, that's all.
There is another posibility about griswold beyond sexuality that coincides with old legends. Willpower. Compared with other civilians griswold seem to be very resilient physically and mentally. He confronted at some point the Butcher, But didn't end up as traumatized as Wirt , let alone Farhnham. So Griswold just at a lack of better wording, had balls of steel.
And this is why Andariel turned him into a mindless zombie. There is nothing more humiliating for someone like Griswold than becoming a mindless zombie, wich is way more humiliating than what happened to every Diablo adversary wich was either death or becoming a soldier.
Andariel was like "Fine,you are not coming to me? you will be my puppet now"
Besides, Griswold sexuality wasn't even slightly hinted at. While his bravery was
It's very fascinating that alot of lore was established in the first game.
This is just a theory, but what if Griswold was just stubborn, and not so eager to submit to evil similar to the dwarves in Tolkien's fantasy? Tolkien states that the 7 rings of power given to the dwarves did not enslave them, unlike the other rings of power given to the other races. This was because the dwarves, by their very nature, were stubborn, resistant, and highly uncompliant. That being said, Griswold and the dwarves share many attributes and characteristics such as: both are Scottish, both are burly and stout, both have similar mannerisms, etc. Personally for me, it would make sense if this was the reason why Griswold was not tempted by Andariel. However, this begs the question of how did Griswold become his cursed form if he was so stubborn and resistant? Well, going back into Tolkien's fantasy, the dwarves were not completely unscathed by the rings, as they became more greedy, more isolated, and eventually went insane. Likewise, though Griswold's defense of his purity was completely impenetrable, he was not completely invincible to the curses that the evil ones would plague him with. More than likely, he probably fell in battle and then was resurrected as a tool to carry out Diablo's will. Overall, I think that Griswold was a humble and simple yet stubborn man, who cared only for the ones he loved as well as his craft. Oh! And he was above all *NOT GAY*!
nor heterosexual eitjer, more like completely obsessed with his work and craft
Nah... he is probably a closeted gay like most Republicans. lol
nah i dont think griswold is gay. there are plenty of characters not seduced by andarial.
Griswold was made a zombie is because he's the strongest man in the village and thus useful for fighting back the heroes.
Also him not being remade like Bloodraven might also be because he couldnt be corrupted. It took Diablo many years and help of his most trusted adviser Lazarus to break Leoric. If Griswald was cut from the same metal (no pun intended) then there wasnt the time or the ressources to do the same.
Every Diablo 1 hero was corrupted due to their constant contact with the corruption of diablo realm. The heroes of diablo had stronger will than Griswold. If griswould had gotten deeper into Diablo Realm , he would have turned into a personal soldier. Diablo never had a beef with him because while he contributed, he wasn't in the party that slew him. If it was for Diablo he would be dead already like everyone else in tristam.
He was made a zombie because Adria was mad at him for not being allured and also telling everyone else at the town to not follow the lights.
If Griswold's resistance were due to a preference for men, Andariel would have whistled up some incubi and run the table.
There is an old Gaelic myth involving a hero who denied the charms of the goddess of death only to have her spend the rest of his life attempting to slay him. She does everything she can to cause him misery but he succeeds, even in death, as he tied himself to a rock with his own intestines to appear as if he was standing so the enemy would not attack. The hero's name is Cú Chulainn.
Griswold denying Andariels charms and any succubi because his iron will, must have irritated her for sure. To become an undead slave forever, wandering what he wanted to protect so much.
"Man meat..."
Bro.... I am f***ing DEAD!!!! ☠☠☠
You know I love alliteration
@@DarkLOREDash "After felling the fellow's frankenfurter..."
This is what Diablo should be about. Not just defeating the prime evils bla bla saving the world bla bla.
No simple questions with lore, intrigue and mystic and trying to help ordinary people solve mysteries.
It's so wierd why all these cool and interesting quests and content was cut, but nice to see it restored.
Druid: "I have the ability to summon a bear."
Andariel: "So do I!"
Oh my gosh XD
Thank you for this gem
I don’t know if this is relevant but when I was a kid and played Diablo, I LOVED reading the in game booklet over and over and over!
I remember a little section about Zombies/Undead being the result of someone who is so morally corrupt and/or spiritually impure that the vileness in their soul taints the body enough that evil energies take over and reanimate it.
Perhaps Griswold wasn’t as innocent as we believed and he did some vile twisted things?
It is a great booklet!
@@DarkLOREDash With all the lore in just the booklets for Diablo I and II, they should create a TV series and/or a Lord of the Rings miniseries movie that focuses around a very young Jered Cain and the Horadrim hunting down the prime evils.
Call it “The Horadrim.” Then again...in this day and age, they would probably make the show about Cain and Tal Rasha being lovers and other irrelevant nonsense. Wokeness is destroying everything these days.
Still, it’s a nice dream.
@@JARedwolf100 “wokeness is destroying everything” damn lmao facts. We need a good series/movie about the Diablo universe. We got one for WoW.
While the concept is nice in itself, I think Griswald was simply enamored with his forge. His life's purpose was not lust, luxury or fame; he only wanted to craft weapons powerful enough to fell the lord of terror himself.
Aside from Wirt(Which is ignored), all men there had singular purposes : To cure(Pepin) ,to make profit(Gheed), to protect(Ogden), to learn(Cain), to drink(Farnham) and to forge(Griswald).
Griswald being the only one turned is only a testament to his devotion to the forge in life in a sense that he should be turned into one of the things that his weapons were created to destroy.
Griswold struck me as a man who was pious. It was probably a similar situation to Leoric. He certainly talked about the Light more than most in Tristram, and it makes sense if he had no interest in women from a religious perspective.
Doesn't mean he was a homosexual.
This looks great and I can't wait to see where they took D4 with the Queen of the Succubus coming.
i am planning on making a d1 remake. i just need money and time
Diablo 2 resurrected is my Diablo dream
I'm sorry
Im gonna play so fudging much when its releases !!!
@Ryan Crump thats gr8 , for me im gonna wait for the Resurrected for maximum enjoyment ;)
Griswold has that gigachad mindset
outside of the fanservice Andariel has to offer , story wise i always found her to be the most mysterious one and the concept art of diablo 4 where she is shown to be kind of held as a prisoner is further proof of the fact other demons might find her too dangerous
She definitely has a lot to offer!
There is no mystery at all. Griswald is a Swanson. "Succubi do nothing for me. I like the strong, salt of the earth, self-possessed woman at the top of her field".
Here I thought his background was Irish
Both theories about Griswold being too pure and being interested in men are quite good. But I guess we would need one of the folks responsible for writing the story for the game to explain how was it exactly.
No one knows but the developers.
True. Hard to randomly tweet @davidbrevik is Grizzy gay or nah?
@@DarkLOREDash worth a shot? haha
@@DarkLOREDash, lol.
Griswold most likely seen enough demons to not me tempted by one.
He may have been gay, however like you said, the period wasn't really receptive so I doubt it, for that reason and another, the male PC's aren't effected by Andariel and neither was Deckard Cain or Pepin. It's also possible that Pepin was Griswolds secret lover and Deckard was suffering from performance issues but I guess we'll never know.
surprisingly worth the 11 minutes. Nice
Grizz is just too sigma to be tempted by demonic thots
Interedting take on Griswold! The firsr Diablo game is absolutely matchless in terms of look and feel. The music in the dungeons alone, good Lord. And the Halls of the Blind.
"well, what ken I dew fer yah"
rip
I am a Diablo gamer since D1. You got my sub for this interesting video. Although i will not be getting D2 Resurrections as i am satisfied with my original copy of D2X (Diablo 2 Expansion). I had it since it came out and it still works good. My earliest memory of Diablo games was Diablo 1 on PC back in 1998 when i was in the 3rd or 4th grade. I saw my friend from school playing it and he was playing as the Sorceror and i had no idea what game he was playing but it did fascinate me. I didnt figure what this mystery game was until i was a bit older. Diablo 1 and Darkstone will always be legends in the gaming community that will forever be remembered and today's games still dont quite top them...regardless who wants to argue with me on this statement.
I think Andariel might have resurrected Griswold as a taunt by turning the most virtuous man in the town into a flesh eating corpse, perhaps in his zombie form he can still craft weapons? Maybe she prefered to turn him into a demon but he was too virtuous. I also don't think he is gay because i remember Gillian or Ogden mentioning that he has a wife that died and that it was a hard hit for him, maybe he loved her a lot, maybe after that he was unable to feel in love again or paying attention to Andariel's shinny lights.
However i would like your theory to be true, i think it would be very funny having Andariel feeling like that over Griswold
“The succubus was barking up the wrong Blacksmith”
This isn’t the phrase I wanted….. Yet, it’s the one I needed.
Diablo franchise has my favorite lore, great video, dude
I love the way you make your videos, truly one of a kind
Thank you!! This is a huge compliment
That yellow cap on your barbarian makes him look like He-Man.
Interesting.. I always wondered how Griswold has fallen.. This is the most logical answer.. Not becouse Griswold was gay, it is becouse Griswold has been resisted against the temptations of Andariel..Becouse he was a strong willed tough man, that was his nature as a blacksmith. And she was pissed off and punished him.
Griswald just doesn't simp
too many speculations, but a good ones, nice video!
Somehow, I thought you were going to infer that Gillian is actually Andariel (or a servant) in disguise. Imagine if that's why Adria entrusted her. Imagine if that's why she was communing with the dead when Leah encountered her madness as the return of Azmodan and Belial was eminent.
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Thank you!
In WildTangent Game's own dungeon crawler called "Fate" (aka diablo's little nephew), the potion merchant (although sometimes he is even reused as other NPCs) has one piece of dialogue that's an easter egg to Griswold I think.
"What can I do for ya?" is that piece, but also they have somewhat similar accents and physical build.
Diablo OG , what a great game, even if you just walk ...... the story and quest , adds so much to D2 , what a great game
Griswold the Grizzly Gay Bear. Works with my fantasy so I'll take it! Cool theory Dash :-)
Thanks mate!
I doubt this is the reason why only griswold got raised as an undead. Iirc lore and story correctly griswold was the only one left in the village who could put up a fight against andariel. He fought in the catacombs with farnham and the others and with farnham being an insane drunk, griswold was probably the only one fighting back andariel. She may have raised him, because he gave her trouble or, because he was just a worthy guard to leave behind and also mock/demoralize cain.
But not everything has to make perfect sense tbh, because cain being the only survivor is the biggest plot hole of tristram. After diablo got control of Aidan it should have been his highest priority to kill cain. And even after he sent andariel it should have been her highest priority to kill cain, because it makes no sense to kill everyone except for that one guy, who knows everything about u, assisted in your downfall before, knows how to stop you and made it his job and yet you decide to keep him alive.
The graphics of Diablo II: Resurrected are something else. Even after playing the original game for upwards of 12-13 years, I didn't perceive some story-related details the way the creators of the game intended until I saw them rerendered with modern technologies.
Where are these cut scenes/quests/clips of the townsfolk interactions related to this content? Where is Cain found in a cage and Griswold found to be an undead? Is it in D2 or D3? I have never seen any of this content being referenced in this video… Very intriguing!
The interactions with the townsfolk, as well as Andariel's very existence, is cut content from Diablo I. Undead Griswold and Dain in a gibbet are all from the Tristram encounter in Act I of Diablo II.
I disagree with this. I don't see this as canon.
In Diablo 2 it was stated that Diablo himself/ The Dark Wanderer, summoned Andariel to guard the way east.
That would mean that there was no way for Griswold to have been transformed by Andariel. Andariel was summoned after the wanderer left tristram and her instructions from Diablo was to prevent anyone from following him.
(Side note: He still was followed by Marius, but it worked out for ol' terror boy.)
There are other cut quests from Diablo 1 that the Belzebub mod turned back on, that also put key figures in places they shouldn't be.
If this was the original intention of the quest before diablo 2, I'm pretty sure it was retconned since the quest was officially cut from Diablo 1.
No sir, I think it's much more simple than that. I think that Griswold simply got eaten by zombies and because of the Diablo's power just recently awakened in his town, He didn't stay dead.
I think the one thing you got right though is that Griswold has a strong will.
I believe the dark power of terror that lingered in town after Diablo left, transformed Griswold after He'd been killed by zombies, because of his strong will that would not be extinguished.
I wonder if a Diablo I remake ever happens, will it reinclude all this cut quests as canon? Would be nice.
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Well... griswold makes gear for you to venture down in the depths of hell... what else do you think he could make to prevent hellish things happening. Besides, his animations aren't biting.. it's punching. so there's that..
I think it should be noted that Griswold as a super unique in Diablo 2 always has the cursed mod affix. Could be the nature of his transformation from human to mere undead, being a type of curse of some kind instead of him just being a reanimated corpse.
I don't think he is a SUPER unique... just a unique. As I recall, he was actually pretty easy to defeat.
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i like how the hero just casualy carrys a fucking anvil out of the dungeon xD
Great video! I always went with the Pious theroy. Though it wouldn't suprise me if there where more to this since the writers where really clever with the first two games.
I mean he could be gay, but he didn't say he saw andariel or anything just the lights so im not sure sexuality comes in play here. It might just simply be that he had the common sense to not investigate lights in the woods in the middle of the night
I thought there was lore somewhere that said Griswold was a veteran who got injured in combat and decided to set up shop as a blacksmith, then ultimately fell so in-love with his job that Andariel cursed him to be a mindless husk who would never wield a weapon again? Maybe it was some fan fiction I read like 20 years ago I don't remember at this point. I do like the idea though that Griswold is basically the progenitor of the "Begone, thot!" meme.
10:12 all the dark atmosphere of this video is lost after this... And then the 'Bear' 😂😂
I think probably Griswold love interest is a more big woman, as a viking woman, and not a skinny maiden.
We talking Brienne level?
@@DarkLOREDash Very accurate, Brienne level probably. Griswold probably was kinda Tormund Giantsbane.
Dude, 100% figured the same thing wayyyyy back when after hearing how he describes the black mushroom - for those of you that forgot, I’d recommend going back and checking his dialogue there, because it does kind of come off as a bit... enthusiastic? Now, it certainly could be more of a wink and a nod from the developers playing it for laughs back then, but after eventually playing the Belzebub mod a couple years back and seeing this same cut dialogue from Griswold regarding the Andariel quest, it really doesn’t seem all that far-fetched. And while I could really not care less about Gris’ sexuality, maybe there could be a story connection for this beyond just players’ closer connection to the guy who outfitted us in D1. In any case, I don’t think Griswold actually being intended as gay is as unlikely as some people are adamantly saying.
I'm surprised that the Anvil of Fury didn't have some sort of negative side-effects when used by Grizwold, because after all, he did say it imbued the things crafted on it with "demonic essence".
objects like that rather can imbue evil rather than seep it itself. The objects of power they create on the other hand...
Hmm, maybe just maybe griswold wasnt tempted because he was an important NPC you cant kill off the blacksmith gotta have someone to repair your equipment, in D2 he wasn't needed to be a blacksmith so turn him into a monster for the players to kill, just to keep some form of congruency marking cain as the only survivor.
TL:DR Griswold ain't no simp
I'm sorry all I can imagine is Andarial trying to seduce Griswold, and he responding with (insert the Scotsmans rambling insult from samurai jack for a solid hour)
Diablo literally destroyed the town of Tristram and turned grizwald into a zombie when he tried to stop him, quoting “... and corrupted the last noble hero who tried to stop him.” That was Deckard Cane, when he talks to the player character after being freed from his prison in Tristram.
Andariel had NOTHING to do with this in any capacity.
Last noble hero would be the Warrior? Also the lore about andariel is official
Dash: You resisted Andariel? What are you, gay?
Griswold:
not to shit on your theory but it might just be because griswold is the one we have the biggest connection too from the first one since it him that makes out journey posible if it was ogden that was a zombie i dont think it would have as big an impact
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I find it puzzling that just because Grisswold wasn't attracted to her, it only means that he was either too pure or just gay.
Maybe it just means that he wasn't into that type of female?
I mean, there's a bunch of variables but a succubus is an otherworldly pull. No sane man would risk it for that biscuit
Now I want to play the original Diablo again I’ve haven’t played it since 2 originally released
Griswold hardly helped me, the damn scrooge
yeah no, he weren't gay.
Griswold is no simp
What a grizzly fate.
anybody elst does think that the barbar with the ''Cap'' looks exactly like HE-Man?
else*
Remember when Diablo was in Diablo games? What a time to be alive...
My head cannon is Griwald probably did encounter Andarial and he layed the steel down so hard it messed up her whole power dynamic and she developed some borderline resentment. She wanted to punish him but kept him around in some capacity just in case.
Succubi are intergender, meaning any succubus and transform into an incubus at any time they choose. Griswold being gay would not protect him from the call of Andariel. Griswold resisted her because he was a genuinely good person whos stronger of will and chatacter than let on.
Fascinating! How do you know that RE incubus?
well...there is another possibility...Asexuality ;D (calling it "just strong willed" or "married to his forge" might just be good ways to write around the plain fact)
@@darth0tator go away with your identity politics.
@@marcmartino8518 what politics?
@@darth0tator so in your opinion, everyone who dedicates their lives to a higher purpose like a monk, priest, knight, scientists etc are really asexual, not disciplined professionals not tempted by primal urges and desires
Griswold isn't/wasn't gay.
His love for the forge was simply too much for a succubus to overcome.
You dare give apropos to a man loving his wife more than a succubus, but not to a man and his steel? You need to understand the weakness of flesh as opposed to the strength and certainty of steel.
Welcome to 2021 - is this a strong willed, pious and dutiful man? No, he must be GAEH!
It was Grisworld who forged her Nipple Rings... now you know why
I kind of doubt he's gay. Was too busy thinking about working rods of steel instead.
I think he might be immune due to his love for his craft, I believe he never cared about anything but smithing, so her charms were useless... Now, if she was a magic hammer...
It would be so cool if d2 resurrected includes removed quest and expands on old tristam
These days, Blizzard measure quality only by stock growth potential. I doubt they would do anything extra.
Mh new and easier way to Uber Diablo since the "sell soj" event was only created to remove duplicated ones...
Go to tristram kill everything and add the tower from D1 and then you are can go through everything there (clear the tower until hell opens etc) and ends on UBER diablo from Diablo 1 - would be a great (but expensive) change where I doubt anyone regardless of old or new communtiy would complain about
Ogden and Pepin seems way more gay than Griswold based on their personality and how they communicate. But then again, people who want to hide it (remain in the closet) may actually behave in a different (more masculine) way on purpose. Why not just ask David Brevik (the head developer of Diablo and Diablo II) to confirm or deny?
There are gays who are just regular guys who are into guys.
The stereotypical effeminate(?) type is misleading.