In the Fantasia Baetica you encounter extreme dynamics (from ppp to fff). You are supposed to bring them out. In this version, it sometimes is hard to hear the difference. Ciccolini hammers pp's like they were ff's at times. And no, I cannot do it better, but I can read scores and am familiar with other versions.
hanpasado it is live. Perhaps the softness needs to be heard. It is all relative to the hall you are in i reckon performing. You might get softness in another player elsewhere.
This poorly known score is even more extraordinay than Iberia by Albeniz. It is a masterwork for piano of the beginning of XXth Cenury. The rendreing of Cicolini is awesome !!!!!!
If you want to hear a version that goes from ppp to fff, listen to Shunta Morimoto's performance (PTNA 2021-japan). This kid is the reincarnation of Glenn Gould (according to his expression)! There is also the good play of Alex Alguacil.
Fantastic performance! Indeed nice to read the score as well. Don't understand the critics on the dynamics. Ciccolini now in his 80's is still playing very well, as i expecienced one week ago in Amsterdam, playing a complete Liszt program.
listening to it in 2019) Going to the concert tomorrow, FB is in the program. Could anyone please share a link of a better performance? Want to get a full taste of the show tomorrow. Thanks in advance.
@cjdarnieder which would indicate his shortcoming as a pianist. or maybe he actually wanted it to be dynamically uniform? i liked the performance in any case.
The late Ciccolini was a true jack of all trades. I admire him for playing this repertoire and I think he did an adequate job. But not by any stretch among the best. It's rather monochrome, loud, dogged and heavy-handed, lacking in poetry, and not especialy accurate. He could have done so much better.
Penosa interpretación, sin ritmo, sin fraseo, sin matización. En fin ...El Intermezzo es increíblemente penoso. Yo aconsejaría a este pianista que escuchase la versión de nuestra gran dama, Alicia de Larrocha, que es sencillamente magistral. Necesita reorientarse.
Alicia de Larrocha practically "owns" this piece as much as any performer can own a piece of music...I'm still a bit mystified how shat he managed to make sense of scores that in other hands sounds like garbled notes... Ciccolini may be great in other repertoire, but he makes quite a mess out of this Fantasia.
Seguro que el Sr. Ciccolini lo hace lo mejor que puede pero es una interpretación desastrosa, no sé si por ser original o por no entender la obra... el intermezzo es una desgracia, el pedal usado con isopo, los ritmos arbitrarios, es una confusión total... y si, técnicamente se ve que le sobran dedos pero nada mas. Está claro que el referente sigue siendo Alicia de Larrocha pero también hay muchas otras versiones brillantes o cuando menos dignas. Esta no es una de ellas.
I dont think de falla would imagine how amazingly could sound his music... Amazing Aldo.
Best version I've heard so far with no doubt.
Esteban Sanchez sooo much better (in my opinion).
@@albertomartin4812 Agreed!
Good Music will always be another category where excellence is present at all times...
Falla's dynamics aren't just about decibels, they're about colors and character too...This is where our Ciccolini excels.
So beautiful......
Great masterwork!..Love the score.
In the Fantasia Baetica you encounter extreme dynamics (from ppp to fff). You are supposed to bring them out. In this version, it sometimes is hard to hear the difference. Ciccolini hammers pp's like they were ff's at times. And no, I cannot do it better, but I can read scores and am familiar with other versions.
hanpasado it is live. Perhaps the softness needs to be heard. It is all relative to the hall you are in i reckon performing.
You might get softness in another player elsewhere.
I noticed this as well. He also had quite a few errors where he wasn't playing things as written in the score.
This poorly known score is even more extraordinay than Iberia by Albeniz. It is a masterwork for piano of the beginning of XXth Cenury. The rendreing of Cicolini is awesome !!!!!!
If you want to hear a version that goes from ppp to fff, listen to Shunta Morimoto's performance (PTNA 2021-japan). This kid is the reincarnation of Glenn Gould (according to his expression)! There is also the good play of Alex Alguacil.
Fantastic performance! Indeed nice to read the score as well. Don't understand the critics on the dynamics. Ciccolini now in his 80's is still playing very well, as i expecienced one week ago in Amsterdam, playing a complete Liszt program.
oh and thank you Astathis for uploading the music and the score too!
God! I really enjoyed that!
Wow!
I will post a video response to this video very soon - it is my own effort at the Baetica, which I hope that you will enjoy.
a great work, just wish the performer had taken advantage of the contrasting dynamics more as indicated in the score. still a great performance
listening to it in 2019)
Going to the concert tomorrow, FB is in the program. Could anyone please share a link of a better performance? Want to get a full taste of the show tomorrow. Thanks in advance.
@cjdarnieder which would indicate his shortcoming as a pianist. or maybe he actually wanted it to be dynamically uniform? i liked the performance in any case.
Although sounds a little bits slower , but you can hear emotions much more!
great
@DolceSzopen A mi tambien me lo parece. Conoces la versión de Esteban Sánchez? La voy a subir ahora mismo.
nice
man, you are smart
Interesting piece, textures seems influenced by late Debussy, especially the Etudes.
Masterful. One tiny mistake at the end of the Intermezzo.
Wow y Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
@SordidGuy your supposition is unfounded.
1º mov. muy influido x la Iberia, sobretodo El Albayzin y Triana
@xodn3300 I THINK he was kind of busy...:)
dedicata a d arthur rubinstein
la mejor version es de Gonzalo Soriano, gran pianista español
puedes enviarme en enlace de esta version? Yo todavìa no encontrè una versione que me sodisfe
So.... I think your fingers would break if you tried to play this song.
The late Ciccolini was a true jack of all trades. I admire him for playing this repertoire and I think he did an adequate job. But not by any stretch among the best. It's rather monochrome, loud, dogged and heavy-handed, lacking in poetry, and not especialy accurate. He could have done so much better.
@Malcolm64 i agree.. i really dislike his performonace.. too many mistakes to be tolerated.. anyway this is a fantastic and difficult piece
@xodn3300 : I suppose you can do better??? If so, POST IT!!!
My version of the Fantastic Baetica... enjoy!
it ends with watch?v=OcyjwCAfDps
No dynamics, no rubato, no nothing. We are on ground zero of interpretation here. It would be difficult to do less.
Moonface
What a horrible recording it makes my head explode. Please you can play lower than ffffff
Penosa interpretación, sin ritmo, sin fraseo, sin matización. En fin ...El Intermezzo es increíblemente penoso. Yo aconsejaría a este pianista que escuchase la versión de nuestra gran dama, Alicia de Larrocha, que es sencillamente magistral. Necesita reorientarse.
Cierto. Ahora escucharé a Alicia, no conozco la versión. Para mí Esteban Sánchez hizo magia con esta obra.
Alicia de Larrocha practically "owns" this piece as much as any performer can own a piece of music...I'm still a bit mystified how shat he managed to make sense of scores that in other hands sounds like garbled notes...
Ciccolini may be great in other repertoire, but he makes quite a mess out of this Fantasia.
I agree ,this is certainly NOT a great performance.
Seguro que el Sr. Ciccolini lo hace lo mejor que puede pero es una interpretación desastrosa, no sé si por ser original o por no entender la obra... el intermezzo es una desgracia, el pedal usado con isopo, los ritmos arbitrarios, es una confusión total... y si, técnicamente se ve que le sobran dedos pero nada mas. Está claro que el referente sigue siendo Alicia de Larrocha pero también hay muchas otras versiones brillantes o cuando menos dignas. Esta no es una de ellas.