Thanks for this informative tidbit about these coffeehouse denizens, Max. I can't hear of Christopher Wren without remembering the poem written for him by Edmund Clerihew Bentley: Sir Christopher Wren Said, "I am going to dine with some men. If anyone calls Say I am designing St. Paul's." The form is called a Clerihew. A few years ago, inspired by a friend who made majolica in the style of BP, I tried my hand at it: Bernard Palissy was not without malice; he startled his guests by serving them cakes on plates decorated with snakes. Now that I look at them, I realize they are both well suited to Tasting History.
You left out the best part It wasn’t that Newton could prove it, it’s that he already had. He had already written out a proof years before, but just hadn’t told anyone about it yet. His response was the 17th century equivalent of “oh yeah, that? I already did, lemme just find the paper”. And then it took him another few months to bother finding it.
Yeah, but let's not forget that Johannes Kepler had already published his laws of planetary motion more than 70 years prior, without even knowing about gravity, and Newton used these mathematical laws about the elliptical orbit of the planets to derive his own theory of universal gravitation. So most of the work was kinda done for him. Just sayin' :)
Better yet, he had been developing the proof by inventing calculus and the classical theory of gravity as a quarantine pastime. He had no reason for doing it, he was just stuck at home and bored.
Ye Olde people used to have math duels. They these nerds would just try to one up each other or disprove something of their's, *and they made a living doing that!*
1. I love how the card countin scene from Hangover was used for this 2. What a small world to have so many monumental geniuses not only in one room but in the same time frame
It's more that, at the time, they were in one of the major "hubs" of science, so it was pretty natural they'd end up in the same place and at the very least tangentially know eachother
Damn, I bet hearing people like that talk would be utterly fascinating. Now when I go to coffee shops the most I might hear is dating drama or something.
They don't have opium to smoke, that's the issue 😂 Keep in mind it was considered a very sac-religious and extremist drug at the time because they didn't really understand caffeine or the human body's biochemical reaction. And opium and cocaine were very normalized but still drugs. People did crazy things...
Hooke was also an architect, he designed the church a few miles from my house. Wren gets more limelight in the architect area of his work because of the cathedral and a few other high profile buildings. Hooke also was one of the two men credited with inventing the balance spring which modern mechanical watches are based on, perfect for creating accurate ship board clocks for navigation that didn't need a pendulum.
@@jfurl5900 Hooke had few portraits done (possibly due to being disfigured). The only one we know existed went missing after Newton took on Hooke's role in the Royal Society and Newton is said to have disliked Hooke - arguing (I think they had a shouting match at one point) &c. - so there's a theory Newton made it disappear.
I highly recommend the book "Newton and the Counterfeiter" if stories like this interest you (this particular one was mentioned). It covers Newton's life from university to when he worked as warden of the Royal Mint to stop a notorious counterfeiter!
Il bet you anything that when u are discussing important matters the topic of the most important subject in the world is never discussed. Your soul. U may not think it as so important but trust me, it will be. It will be.
@@matthewchapman2248 Why thank you !! See even for you there is still hope. But to be fair heritic ? I strongly feel sensible is the proper terminology in this matter.
The sociologist Lewis S Feuer argued that coffee contributed to the Scientific Revolution by replacing alcohol, people were sharper and could work longer hours. I would argue that coffee and tea made a material contribution to the Protestant Work Ethic of Max Weber. It probably contributed to the Lunar Society in England which met on the full moon as well, they called themselves "lunatics".
Yes, Erasmus Darwin, the grandfather of Charles Darwin, was a member of the Lunar Society. As a biologist, I find it a plausible hypothesis that the invention of refrigeration, better plumbing, water filtration, improvements in sanitation, all the things which improved people's access to uncontaminated water instead of them having to drink diluted wine or beer (or gin) all day decreased the amount of prenatal brain damage: Fetal Alcohol Syndrome makes it hard for the afflicted to concentrate on tasks or to regulate their emotions, esp aggression, and makes them prone to mood swings. It makes them predisposed to become alcoholics later in life (esp if they were also given alcohol or laudanum as babies, which was sadly not unusual in 19th century Britain to keep screaming babies docile).
The book “A History of the World in Six Glasses” is a wonderful read. It sites the influences of Beer, Wine, Spirits, Coffee, Tea and Coca-Cola on human history. This is a definite example of Coffee’s influence!
coffee is addiction and protestants fought any addictive thing as externally controlling human better than alcohol but equally bad for quality sleep and my memory tea also has some minor detrimental effects also it's something making you a slave letting you do things you don't want for long hours instead of picking what you actually prefer
I think they got deleted. What were they? Sorting by new, the only two comments under yours aren't particularly strange and one of them is complaining about the comments too.
@@RuthvenMurgatroyd 3 accounts all with pics of women flaunting their asses, the comments were suggestive too. I'm guessing those were bot accounts, sad to see that kind of behavior under such interesting short.
@@erikadavis2264 He knew that gravity worked with an inverse square law, his understanding of mathematics and representation of forces was on par with the best scientists of the time, newton included.
@@erikadavis2264Rather more than that. Look up his work on microscopy for one, and his amazing book Micrographia which gave an entirely different perspective to tiny life forms. That is just one example of what was a broad range of work.
I wrote a paper for my undergraduate on the duel in eighteenth century Ireland a few years back. Not only were the coffee houses places where ideas were shared, but they were also places people had enormous disagreements and would take those disagreements out the back where they would proceed to either stab or shoot each other. Lucas' coffee house in Dublin was notorious for it.
As if the average person in the Enlightenment could ever dream of having a life comparable to an upper middle class philosopher. You know that professors still exist, right?
Yes except there was once a stigma around reading too many books as a child and sheltering yourself from society. Don’t write off the gadgets if they’re used well.
This used to happen in the medieval arabic states (it took some time to be popular in Europe) the difference that the arabic rules made sure to close thosr kind of cafe in fear of people awareness increases and they revolt But in Europe the smart people make Europe more advance
Note that the portrait of Robert Hooke used here is only _conjectured_ to be his likeness. Hooke and Newton hated each other so supposedly, as the story goes, Newton had the only portrait of Hooke destroyed when he became President of the Royal Society. Whether this is true or not, he did have a portrait of himself at one time and now it has apparently disappeared. Wikipedia actually has a great section about Hooke's likeness in their article on him with some interesting descriptions of him.
It's because so many educated people hung out at that place. Their discussions were based on what they know. So, you got an education by eavesdropping.
I used your coffee episode as a big part of explaining the history of coffee and its relation to european/finnish culture in a short presentation in school. The idea is so fascinating and you explained it in interesting but compact terms.
Imagine what those men could have accomplished in the modern era. This story reminds me of two quotes; the first being "the smartest man in the world has likely lived and died, undiscovered, and in relative poverty". The other quote being "past champions whom we consider outdated would have risen to the standards of our time if they were born today". Anonymous or ancient mathematicians, astronomers, inventors, and lawmakers managed to create advanced mathematical concepts, chart the stars, predict astronomical events hundreds of years in advance, lay the groundwork for democracy, control empires that spanned across multiple continents, manage taxes of millions of citizens, and they did this all without the aid of ubiquitous paper, mass literacy, computers, or auto transportation.
Newton felt the same way about those in his past as you do today. Though he isn't the first person to make a similar statment, he once wrote "If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants."
Coffee houses were also a thing in Germany, hence Bach's Coffee Cantata. Look for a really fun one hour rendition on TH-cam where they've added a bit of extra stuff and a male soprano performs as Lieschen. :D
It was not so much that coffee shops were a German thing, which then inspired Bach.... but that the coffee most frequented by Bach... was his own. Bro was fully addicted to the stuff, and drank it all day. In fact, homie had like EIGHT coffee grinders.... and this is not some Nescafe machine in the corner, like today, this is huge mangles, big ass cast iron things, with huge wheel cranks. In fact, his idea of showing his beloved wife how much he truly loved her was by stating, in his last will and testament. he would be.... leaving her his FAVOURITE coffee grinder. (Dude also had like 13 children though, so between raising them and making them, might have sorta kinda needed the caffeine).
@@Apis4 thanks for the information. I love trivia and background information and I will listen to the Coffee House Cantata. but, I have one suggestion. I have noticed that so many highly educated people, much younger than I, use the adjective/adverb/verb/preposition, " like" about 20X more than necessary. My wife's home care nurse, currently working on her Masters, cannot hold a 5 minute conversation unless she "like", everything about 20X.
@@sjb3460 Like in this context is simply a shorthand for 'Something like'...not sure if English is your first language, but in that context, the use of the term in such a way dates back to at before WWII, though much less common. Yes, it's exploded in 21st century, but it still isn't unprecedented to drop the something and just use like, when specifying the indefinite. Sadly, I think you might need get used to it.
@@Apis4 English is my first, Classical Latin my second, and I gave up on ancient Hebrew. The structure of Hebrew is very difficult for a Western mind to grasp. In the last 3 years "like" has exploded in use. Yes, I know all of the definitions and uses of the "like" as using it as a verb, an adverb, an adjective, a preposition.
The internet seems to serve a similar purpose today, yeah there's dumb memes but you could also go down many different rabbit holes and develop interests you probably wouldn't have without it
@@agnosticsaint true, the don't graduate through brilliant, just like Hooke didn't graduate from a coffeeshop. But there are fascinating people on discord you can actually listen to or better yet, work alongside
@@agnosticsaint you can keep making cringe boomer arguments about how the internet does nothing but rots your brain or whatever but stuff like Ben Eater exists on the internet about building a entire computer on a breadboard, the internet also taught me how to program.
As a Londoner I can sadly say that we don't have penny universities any more. It would've required people having the confidence to make conversation with strangers in a café, which we're all too socially awkward to do
@@DeepakKumar-lv4testatistically its very untrue, but after Farage quit politics (after promising not to) he's made a tidy living going around doing paid talks for whatever talking point he's handed. Ive seen his ad work too. So yeah considering he moved abroad ages ago and gets paid to say things, he's not exactly an authority for what Britain is like these days
@@Rynewulf I should have made clear my comment was tongue in cheek. I live in central London!! There are plenty of foreign people here - such is a successful city. A city that doesn't attract all and sundry is not the profile of a successful one. Politicians were just too stupid to argue the point with him. Remember when he said he didn't hear a single English voice on a bus in London? Like, when did Brits start talking to each other on public transport? I must have missed that memo. Like I say, politicians are too stupid to make the argument if they haven't been briefed.
@@adventussaxonum448 quick google for 2024 stats from the government, 46.2% of Londoners are non white (and most of them are born in London, their parents or grandparents or older had moved in years ago it seems) and 25.6% of people in England and Wales arent white (but again the majority of those also not recent migrants) and most of those are exclusively in places like London. For a city that until a few decades ago controlled one of the biggest globespanning empires in history, its not a surprise that a large number of colonials came home to the capital
This is why it’s important to have societies where people can intermingle. Isolating ourselves like we’ve done in our cities in the US leads to stifling of new ideas
The beautiful architecture and art cathedrals, churches were built back then were just mind blowing! The amount of effort put in, can’t even imagine today anyone building them even though we can with our better technology!
Also, coffee houses or cafés in general are just interesting historically. TH-cam channel M Laser History did a cool video on the Viennese Café scene. I mean, just read about the patrons of Café Central alone listed on Wikipedia: > _The café was opened in 1876, and in the late 19th century it became a key meeting place of the Viennese intellectual scene. Key regulars included: _*_Peter Altenberg, Theodor Herzl, Alfred Adler, Egon Friedell, Hugo von Hofmannsthal, Anton Kuh, Adolf Loos, Leo Perutz, Robert Musil, Stefan Zweig, Alfred Polgar, Adolf Hitler,_*_ and _*_Leon Trotsky._*_ In January 1913 alone, _*_Josip Broz Tito, Sigmund Freud,_*_ and _*_Stalin_*_ were patrons of the establishment._ Yes, Tito, Freud, Trotsky, Stalin, Hitler, and Herzl the father of Zionism. Should mention this story: > _A well known story is that when Victor Adler objected to Count Berchtold, foreign minister of Austria-Hungary, that war would provoke revolution in Russia, even if not in the Habsburg monarchy, he replied: "And who will lead this revolution? Perhaps Mr. Bronstein (Leon Trotsky) sitting over there at the Cafe Central?"_ I've heard this story before but I'm not sure how true it is, deliciously ironic though it may be. Anyway, from art to physics, politics and chess-these were interesting places indeed.
@@SatumainenOlento No problem. I love sharing interesting stuff like this. I mean, who would have known so much of the 20th century was determined by the idle hours such a diverse set of patrons spent in an Austrian coffee house chatting politics, science, philosophy, and chess over a cup of coffee?! Glad you enjoyed it as much as I did. 😌
It was common practice in France too, but those who went to Cafe were usually intellectual and all sort of "scientists", political concerns were usually also brought up (most of the time against the current power in place)
Most interesting thing that ever happened to me in a coffee shop was when my spoon fell off my saucer as I walked passed a table, bounced off the table snd landed neatly on someone else's saucer. They didn't have a spoon, the server forgot to give them one, and they had just realised this at that very moment. In fact they were telling their friend they hadn't got a spoon just as my spoon appeared.
Serendipity ? Synchronicity ? Loved your post, brought a smile to my winter-weary face. And your humourous looking Koala - he's got something up his sleeve, for sure! Greetings from Auckland, New Zealand.
I've spent all 24 years of my life tryna figure out what supposed "mixed fruit flavours" make up DrPepper and I still ain't any closer to figuring it out
I drank DP every day for years. All I can advise is to take care of your teeth, I don't drink soda anymore but not before losing all of my teeth by my mid 40's. I drink coffee now everyday with sweetener and soak my dentures overnight.
Here's an interesting (to me) side story: King Charles I is executed by his people, Oliver Cromwell takes over then dies, Charles II is invited back home from exile and the crown is restored in 1660. Some time goes by and C#2 has many, many, MANY mistresses. His thing was other-men's wives. That's important because, all of a sudden, in 1672, Chaz starts asking around about how to close down the coffeehouses despite having very little interest in them prior. His people come back shaking their heads, but in 1675 Chuckles ignores all laws and shutters every coffeehouse in England with a single proclamation. Why, you might ask? Well it turns out a rumor was going around saying that men who drank coffee couldn't have kids. It was part of a pamphlet that was circulating about the "licentious" debasement of society. Anyway, so many of his mistresses advocated for the salvation of their husbands loins that Charles II decided to intervene for the good of the next generation. Due to the riots, the ban lasted two weeks and the king rescinded the order on 1676-JAN-08. Charles was subsequently bankrupted (one month later) because the money he was spending on his mistresses far outstretched tax incomes, but was ultimately bailed out.
In Kolkata, India, they have the "Indian Coffee House" chain; the most famous is in College Street; it has been a hub for political activists and students, particularly left wing, and is regarded as integral to contemporary Bengali culture.
Billion dollar making universities and colleges would get the best of their half cooked, indoctrinated 'mad geniuses' to cancel you before you can smell the first brew. Want to know who's pushing an agenda look at who's got the most to lose
Without the freedom to bounce ideas back and forth, you never get to the truth. I must be thankful for these early scientists for everything they did to push human knowledge about our world.
A conversation over coffee, an apple falling from a tree, even the smallest things can be a spark of inspiration for those with the mind and will to see it through
Hooke was short. He was also mad at Newton initially for not giving him credit for the inverse square idea. So Newton wrote in his preface ‘i have not gotten here on my own, I have stood on the shoulders of giants. ‘ it was actually an insult to Hooke. Now it gets repeated all the time as a deep thought.
The 'coffee' houses were alcohol halls, coffee didn't come until later Wine and later beer were how people typically drank because they didn't really have water purification That say a lot of ideas were generated in those alcohol halls, people would go the in the mornings and lunch breaks
The sharing of info between coffee houses influenced the creation of the newspaper. King Charles II banned coffeehouses because they were ‘evil’ and the ban only lasted 11 days. …Saw you on Sorted food where I got that info. Great episode.
Mannn if only people these days hung out in coffee houses like that instead of all the smartest people being difficult to find and the TikTok addicts being easy.
'If I have done great things, it's because I was standing in the closet of smart men taking notes and then publishing their ideas as my own.' -Isaac Newton
@@ericp0012ah yes and these scientists, some of whom got kicked out of churches or countries for their radical ideas and politics, would have been the epitome of conservative sensibility today
@maximusf Agree with your post. Have you ever read a modern biography of Isaac Newton? What a difficult childhood he had. His mother suddenly abandoned him at age 5 or 6 [to his grandparent, apparently] and as a parent myself, I can imagine how this would have traumatised him. No wonder he took refuge in Mathematics. But look what he did with it...! Astounding. Someone I read quoted "Only once in a thousand years do we get a brain like Newton's"
the one thing I continue to rediscover is how many people in history actually knew each other and hung out. like if they lived in the same era of, say, the early 17th century or mid 19th century, and we still know about them, you bet they partied together
We also get the modern form of insurance from coffee houses. You could support a merchant's outgoing ship by taking a portion of the risk for a fee. You would sign your name on the bottom of a ducument listing the ship info. You wrote under the info. So that was the original "underwriting". One of these coffee houses found the insurance aspect more profitable than coffee, so decided to focus on that eventually. The coffee house? Lloyds of London.
I sometimes in brief moments of weakness think I might be smart, at least to some degree, and then I read about these men. What they accomplished with the tools they had available showed just how impressive their minds were. I can’t understand any of what they discussed on this short and I probably never will, even with the internet and such, it’s honestly mind blowing.
Halley's biggest contribution to Englad's scientific community was pursuading Newton to publish. 3 lsws of motion, calculus, optics, gravitational law. & new methods to compute PI were all in those works.
Thanks Max! I’m a math, science and engineering teacher. I often tell my kids the history is often a big part of what makes a lesson interesting. I’ve taught history and cooking, and the longer I teach, the more I reject the notion that any subject really exists apart from all the others. As a chemistry teacher, this is something I’m able to stress. There would be no sauces, no soufflés and no pastries without chemistry (and math!) And pretty much every tool we use in the kitchen amounts to the fruits of engineering-spoons, knives, dishes, pots & pans, oven mitts, tongs, strainers, ovens, fridges, etc. ad mauseum)-though few of the inventors understood themselves to be engineers.
Coffee always does the trick. also I hope to still be alive when Haley’s comet comes back to visit. I’ll be 70. Surely I will still love astrology and you can only wonder the inventions and innovations to come in those years.
On vacation in Oxford, England, i stopped to have lunch, a tasty chicken sandwich, at The Eagle and Child pub, sometimes known as 'the bird and the baby'. This was the pub where C S Lewis and JRR Tolkien hung out and discussed the stories they were writing at the time. Imagine being there, as Lewis and Tolkien helped refine one another's stories! All i got when i went was a pretty decent meal
Imagine living in the same time as these great intellects...and having _no idea_ you were living alongside the metaphorical giants, on whose shoulders we all stand today.
Coffehouses unlike pubs were famed for their formenting of cross discipline learning, the most famed of which was the development of trading in shares of ownership in business concerns. Originally pioneered in Amsterdam, it saw its greatest success in St. Michaels Lane and its descendent across the pond.
Coffee houses were so popular with men that many women at the time complained. Men were spending too much time talking to each other rather than paying attention to higher class ladies. Apparently, it was a big problem for dating also.
Coffee & tea houses were popular because that's where you could get something to drink other than questionable unboiled water... And it was flavored! Insurance, modern risk analysis - Lloyd's of London - was created in the coffee houses, as well.
Also: Hook enjoyed trolling Newton. But Newton actually got the last laugh, because Newton's most famous like is actually a response to one of Hook's trolling letters. "If I have seen farther, it is because I stand on the shoulders of giants" was written in reply to Hook's attempts to portray Newton as a self-important idiot. I say jealous, personally, drove Hook.
This just reminds me how quickly we're devolving. Intellectuals barely exist, and when they do, they're shamed. And they certainly don't run the show. Thanks for bringing some intellectualism back to social media.
Holy Holy Holy! Good stuff. It shows what an education is worth today, a penny but with inflation, a dime. Let's see, who profits on education today? The teachers are worth millions compared to administration, but administration has control. Strange brew, networking 🤔, who do you know, and what you got in your wallet? Namaste
In Paris too all the painters and writers attended coffee houses. Toulouse-Lautrec, Dali, Matisse, Rodin etc. Their coffee houses were also bars or “pubs”, of course, and their favourite drink was absinthe, that has since been banned
The comet returns in 2061, not 2065. I read my notes wrong. 😢
Thanks for the update, I’ll correct the note in my calendar 🙏
I really like thefsct you always correct yourself when you make a mistake.
Oh good, I'll only be 91 then! LOL
Improves my chances but not much lol
Thanks for this informative tidbit about these coffeehouse denizens, Max. I can't hear of Christopher Wren without remembering the poem written for him by Edmund Clerihew Bentley:
Sir Christopher Wren
Said, "I am going to dine with some men.
If anyone calls
Say I am designing St. Paul's."
The form is called a Clerihew. A few years ago, inspired by a friend who made majolica in the style of BP, I tried my hand at it:
Bernard Palissy
was not without malice; he
startled his guests by serving them cakes
on plates decorated with snakes.
Now that I look at them, I realize they are both well suited to Tasting History.
You left out the best part
It wasn’t that Newton could prove it, it’s that he already had. He had already written out a proof years before, but just hadn’t told anyone about it yet. His response was the 17th century equivalent of “oh yeah, that? I already did, lemme just find the paper”. And then it took him another few months to bother finding it.
Yeah, but let's not forget that Johannes Kepler had already published his laws of planetary motion more than 70 years prior, without even knowing about gravity, and Newton used these mathematical laws about the elliptical orbit of the planets to derive his own theory of universal gravitation. So most of the work was kinda done for him. Just sayin' :)
@@charlottelakeotes yes, that is how science works
Better yet, he had been developing the proof by inventing calculus and the classical theory of gravity as a quarantine pastime. He had no reason for doing it, he was just stuck at home and bored.
Quarantine during a Plague?
@@jonathanraithel5726 I love teaching my students that part - and he was only 23!
Love that even in historical times discussions/debates kind of came down to "nuh uh" and "yes huh"
Ye Olde people used to have math duels. They these nerds would just try to one up each other or disprove something of their's, *and they made a living doing that!*
Lol ikr!
😂
Most of history being taught is overglorified and exaggerated.
Ooga booga
1. I love how the card countin scene from Hangover was used for this
2. What a small world to have so many monumental geniuses not only in one room but in the same time frame
that’s because there comes a point where intelligence is actually in a feedback loop with environment
It's more that, at the time, they were in one of the major "hubs" of science, so it was pretty natural they'd end up in the same place and at the very least tangentially know eachother
A lot of the big leaders of the 1900s hung out at the same coffee shop in Vienna, unknowingly
Smart people hang out with smart people. And there have been far more geniuses throughout history than we may ever know
I always find it important for Artists and Intellectuals to find friends like them so they can really make anything of value in the world
Damn, I bet hearing people like that talk would be utterly fascinating. Now when I go to coffee shops the most I might hear is dating drama or something.
They don't have opium to smoke, that's the issue 😂 Keep in mind it was considered a very sac-religious and extremist drug at the time because they didn't really understand caffeine or the human body's biochemical reaction. And opium and cocaine were very normalized but still drugs. People did crazy things...
On the contrary, it would be incredibly boring without significant prior knowledge on the subject
You say like it's a bad thing lul
Each time I go to a cafe, I don't even hear anyone talk hardly
These discussions now take place in decaying forum pages and comment sections between people with anime profile pics
Hooke was also an architect, he designed the church a few miles from my house. Wren gets more limelight in the architect area of his work because of the cathedral and a few other high profile buildings.
Hooke also was one of the two men credited with inventing the balance spring which modern mechanical watches are based on, perfect for creating accurate ship board clocks for navigation that didn't need a pendulum.
those Enlightenment era polymaths will never stop fascinating me
Also didn't Newton destroy all images of Hooke after he died. Jealousy ???
@@jfurl5900 Hooke had few portraits done (possibly due to being disfigured). The only one we know existed went missing after Newton took on Hooke's role in the Royal Society and Newton is said to have disliked Hooke - arguing (I think they had a shouting match at one point) &c. - so there's a theory Newton made it disappear.
He was also the first to discover cells(dead).
The portrait of Hooke used here is only thought to be of Hooke, yes.
I highly recommend the book "Newton and the Counterfeiter" if stories like this interest you (this particular one was mentioned). It covers Newton's life from university to when he worked as warden of the Royal Mint to stop a notorious counterfeiter!
Or Neal Stephenson's Baroque Cycle if you don't mind a lot of tedium to go with it
@@stepheng1523
Tedium?? It's called entertainment
@@brunoschibli5157Well, as they say in England: “Horses for courses”! LoL
Watcher Entertainment's puppet history video about Newton's nemesis while working at the mint is a good one to watch for anyone interested
Fun fact: The counterfeiter, William Chaloner, had a side business making dildos.
Thanks for educating me on so many true facts about history for even less than a penny🤯
I love this. I'm a coffee freak, and I get excited when talking about important matters over a good brew.
Il bet you anything that when u are discussing important matters the topic of the most important subject in the world is never discussed. Your soul. U may not think it as so important but trust me, it will be. It will be.
@@ricky-6657believe 🙄🪶
There is no such thing as a good coffee brew. It is all awful
@mauricematla8379 Heretic!
Here, have a nicely brewed tea instead. 🍵
@@matthewchapman2248 Why thank you !! See even for you there is still hope. But to be fair heritic ? I strongly feel sensible is the proper terminology in this matter.
The sociologist Lewis S Feuer argued that coffee contributed to the Scientific Revolution by replacing alcohol, people were sharper and could work longer hours. I would argue that coffee and tea made a material contribution to the Protestant Work Ethic of Max Weber. It probably contributed to the Lunar Society in England which met on the full moon as well, they called themselves "lunatics".
Yes, Erasmus Darwin, the grandfather of Charles Darwin, was a member of the Lunar Society.
As a biologist, I find it a plausible hypothesis that the invention of refrigeration, better plumbing, water filtration, improvements in sanitation, all the things which improved people's access to uncontaminated water instead of them having to drink diluted wine or beer (or gin) all day decreased the amount of prenatal brain damage:
Fetal Alcohol Syndrome makes it hard for the afflicted to concentrate on tasks or to regulate their emotions, esp aggression, and makes them prone to mood swings. It makes them predisposed to become alcoholics later in life (esp if they were also given alcohol or laudanum as babies, which was sadly not unusual in 19th century Britain to keep screaming babies docile).
Unintended consequences.
Same goes for the golden age of Islam, with significant advancements in maths at the time.
The book “A History of the World in Six Glasses” is a wonderful read. It sites the influences of Beer, Wine, Spirits, Coffee, Tea and Coca-Cola on human history. This is a definite example of Coffee’s influence!
coffee is addiction and protestants fought any addictive thing as externally controlling human
better than alcohol but equally bad for quality sleep and my memory
tea also has some minor detrimental effects
also it's something making you a slave
letting you do things you don't want for long hours instead of picking what you actually prefer
Ignoring whatever the hell these comments are, that is truly a real life crossover.
The coffee shop episode. Truly the most fanservice we will ever get.
I think they got deleted. What were they? Sorting by new, the only two comments under yours aren't particularly strange and one of them is complaining about the comments too.
@@RuthvenMurgatroyd
3 accounts all with pics of women flaunting their asses, the comments were suggestive too. I'm guessing those were bot accounts, sad to see that kind of behavior under such interesting short.
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@@RuthvenMurgatroyd don't worry about it
Shout out to Robert Hooke, though. He was a straight up genius and doesn't really get the credit he's due.
What, with his marvellous law of a spring?
@@erikadavis2264 Yes, gotta love springs
@@erikadavis2264 He knew that gravity worked with an inverse square law, his understanding of mathematics and representation of forces was on par with the best scientists of the time, newton included.
@@erikadavis2264Rather more than that. Look up his work on microscopy for one, and his amazing book Micrographia which gave an entirely different perspective to tiny life forms.
That is just one example of what was a broad range of work.
@@erikadavis2264at this point in time he was the most known scientist in England
Tip, surround yourself with smart, intellegent, hardworking and motivated people.
I don't know if I'm more mesmerized by the historical content being shared or the eyes of this gentleman...
I wrote a paper for my undergraduate on the duel in eighteenth century Ireland a few years back. Not only were the coffee houses places where ideas were shared, but they were also places people had enormous disagreements and would take those disagreements out the back where they would proceed to either stab or shoot each other. Lucas' coffee house in Dublin was notorious for it.
Standard Irish Saturday night then?
So they were like a combo of a university coffee place and a bar 😅
Haha, except no one was drunk, just really hyped on coffee and philosophy 😂 @mist8814
Haha, I believe the former Texas Embassy in London (yeah, you read that right!) was a similar kind of former bar with a duel court just on its hind!
There's coffee, then there's Irish coffee.
Irish that guy would start sumthin.' 😅
Avengers: “the most ambitious crossover ever!”
1685 scientists: “hold my mead”
-A guy named Solvay in 1911: "AVENGERS... Conference".
When people spent time discussing great thoughts instead of burying their face in
an electronic device: Isolated, unsociable,
silent.
As if the average person in the Enlightenment could ever dream of having a life comparable to an upper middle class philosopher. You know that professors still exist, right?
Yes except there was once a stigma around reading too many books as a child and sheltering yourself from society. Don’t write off the gadgets if they’re used well.
This used to happen in the medieval arabic states (it took some time to be popular in Europe) the difference that the arabic rules made sure to close thosr kind of cafe in fear of people awareness increases and they revolt
But in Europe the smart people make Europe more advance
Note that the portrait of Robert Hooke used here is only _conjectured_ to be his likeness. Hooke and Newton hated each other so supposedly, as the story goes, Newton had the only portrait of Hooke destroyed when he became President of the Royal Society. Whether this is true or not, he did have a portrait of himself at one time and now it has apparently disappeared.
Wikipedia actually has a great section about Hooke's likeness in their article on him with some interesting descriptions of him.
"you could get a college education for a penny"
Me: cries in student loans
That is literally how it works in most european countries TODAY, some place it's even cheaper.
It's because so many educated people hung out at that place. Their discussions were based on what they know. So, you got an education by eavesdropping.
And yet we know more than people back then did
Should have gotten a scholarship
Sadly most degrees today are not even worth a penny.
I used your coffee episode as a big part of explaining the history of coffee and its relation to european/finnish culture in a short presentation in school. The idea is so fascinating and you explained it in interesting but compact terms.
Imagine what those men could have accomplished in the modern era. This story reminds me of two quotes; the first being "the smartest man in the world has likely lived and died, undiscovered, and in relative poverty". The other quote being "past champions whom we consider outdated would have risen to the standards of our time if they were born today".
Anonymous or ancient mathematicians, astronomers, inventors, and lawmakers managed to create advanced mathematical concepts, chart the stars, predict astronomical events hundreds of years in advance, lay the groundwork for democracy, control empires that spanned across multiple continents, manage taxes of millions of citizens, and they did this all without the aid of ubiquitous paper, mass literacy, computers, or auto transportation.
Newton felt the same way about those in his past as you do today. Though he isn't the first person to make a similar statment, he once wrote "If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants."
They also smoked cannabis in those coffee houses. Oh, and insurance companies also started in a coffee house.
Coffee houses were also a thing in Germany, hence Bach's Coffee Cantata. Look for a really fun one hour rendition on TH-cam where they've added a bit of extra stuff and a male soprano performs as Lieschen. :D
It was not so much that coffee shops were a German thing, which then inspired Bach.... but that the coffee most frequented by Bach... was his own.
Bro was fully addicted to the stuff, and drank it all day.
In fact, homie had like EIGHT coffee grinders.... and this is not some Nescafe machine in the corner, like today, this is huge mangles, big ass cast iron things, with huge wheel cranks.
In fact, his idea of showing his beloved wife how much he truly loved her was by stating, in his last will and testament. he would be.... leaving her his FAVOURITE coffee grinder.
(Dude also had like 13 children though, so between raising them and making them, might have sorta kinda needed the caffeine).
@@Apis4 thanks for the information. I love trivia and background information and I will listen to the Coffee House Cantata. but, I have one suggestion. I have noticed that so many highly educated people, much younger than I, use the adjective/adverb/verb/preposition, "
like" about 20X more than necessary.
My wife's home care nurse, currently working on her Masters, cannot hold a 5 minute conversation unless she "like", everything about 20X.
@@sjb3460 Like in this context is simply a shorthand for 'Something like'...not sure if English is your first language, but in that context, the use of the term in such a way dates back to at before WWII, though much less common.
Yes, it's exploded in 21st century, but it still isn't unprecedented to drop the something and just use like, when specifying the indefinite.
Sadly, I think you might need get used to it.
@@Apis4 English is my first, Classical Latin my second, and I gave up on ancient Hebrew. The structure of Hebrew is very difficult for a Western mind to grasp.
In the last 3 years "like" has exploded in use.
Yes, I know all of the definitions and uses of the "like" as using it as a verb, an adverb, an adjective, a preposition.
@@sjb3460 Cool
The internet seems to serve a similar purpose today, yeah there's dumb memes but you could also go down many different rabbit holes and develop interests you probably wouldn't have without it
Name one time you’ve discussed academics with an Oxford University graduate on the Internet. I’ll wait…
@@agnosticsaint true, the don't graduate through brilliant, just like Hooke didn't graduate from a coffeeshop.
But there are fascinating people on discord you can actually listen to or better yet, work alongside
@@agnosticsaint there's Harvard courses on TH-cam but ok
@@agnosticsaint you could also download digital copies of books
@@agnosticsaint you can keep making cringe boomer arguments about how the internet does nothing but rots your brain or whatever but stuff like Ben Eater exists on the internet about building a entire computer on a breadboard, the internet also taught me how to program.
As a Londoner I can sadly say that we don't have penny universities any more. It would've required people having the confidence to make conversation with strangers in a café, which we're all too socially awkward to do
And farage told me all the brits have left and it's only foreigners now.
@@DeepakKumar-lv4testatistically its very untrue, but after Farage quit politics (after promising not to) he's made a tidy living going around doing paid talks for whatever talking point he's handed. Ive seen his ad work too. So yeah considering he moved abroad ages ago and gets paid to say things, he's not exactly an authority for what Britain is like these days
@@Rynewulf I should have made clear my comment was tongue in cheek. I live in central London!! There are plenty of foreign people here - such is a successful city. A city that doesn't attract all and sundry is not the profile of a successful one. Politicians were just too stupid to argue the point with him. Remember when he said he didn't hear a single English voice on a bus in London? Like, when did Brits start talking to each other on public transport? I must have missed that memo. Like I say, politicians are too stupid to make the argument if they haven't been briefed.
@@Rynewulf
Very untrue?
I thought that the English were a minority in London, statistically. As in fewer than 50%.
@@adventussaxonum448 quick google for 2024 stats from the government, 46.2% of Londoners are non white (and most of them are born in London, their parents or grandparents or older had moved in years ago it seems) and 25.6% of people in England and Wales arent white (but again the majority of those also not recent migrants) and most of those are exclusively in places like London.
For a city that until a few decades ago controlled one of the biggest globespanning empires in history, its not a surprise that a large number of colonials came home to the capital
This is why it’s important to have societies where people can intermingle. Isolating ourselves like we’ve done in our cities in the US leads to stifling of new ideas
The beautiful architecture and art cathedrals, churches were built back then were just mind blowing! The amount of effort put in, can’t even imagine today anyone building them even though we can with our better technology!
Also, coffee houses or cafés in general are just interesting historically. TH-cam channel M Laser History did a cool video on the Viennese Café scene. I mean, just read about the patrons of Café Central alone listed on Wikipedia:
> _The café was opened in 1876, and in the late 19th century it became a key meeting place of the Viennese intellectual scene. Key regulars included: _*_Peter Altenberg, Theodor Herzl, Alfred Adler, Egon Friedell, Hugo von Hofmannsthal, Anton Kuh, Adolf Loos, Leo Perutz, Robert Musil, Stefan Zweig, Alfred Polgar, Adolf Hitler,_*_ and _*_Leon Trotsky._*_ In January 1913 alone, _*_Josip Broz Tito, Sigmund Freud,_*_ and _*_Stalin_*_ were patrons of the establishment._
Yes, Tito, Freud, Trotsky, Stalin, Hitler, and Herzl the father of Zionism.
Should mention this story:
> _A well known story is that when Victor Adler objected to Count Berchtold, foreign minister of Austria-Hungary, that war would provoke revolution in Russia, even if not in the Habsburg monarchy, he replied: "And who will lead this revolution? Perhaps Mr. Bronstein (Leon Trotsky) sitting over there at the Cafe Central?"_
I've heard this story before but I'm not sure how true it is, deliciously ironic though it may be. Anyway, from art to physics, politics and chess-these were interesting places indeed.
Wow! Thank you!!! This was a great share!!! 😊👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@@SatumainenOlento No problem. I love sharing interesting stuff like this. I mean, who would have known so much of the 20th century was determined by the idle hours such a diverse set of patrons spent in an Austrian coffee house chatting politics, science, philosophy, and chess over a cup of coffee?! Glad you enjoyed it as much as I did. 😌
And many philosophers too, hence the "Vienna circle" of analytic philosophy.
If only I could be a fly on the wall there.
It was common practice in France too, but those who went to Cafe were usually intellectual and all sort of "scientists", political concerns were usually also brought up (most of the time against the current power in place)
Interesting, thank you. Love history like this. ❤ from Australia 🇦🇺 😊
Most interesting thing that ever happened to me in a coffee shop was when my spoon fell off my saucer as I walked passed a table, bounced off the table snd landed neatly on someone else's saucer. They didn't have a spoon, the server forgot to give them one, and they had just realised this at that very moment. In fact they were telling their friend they hadn't got a spoon just as my spoon appeared.
Serendipity ? Synchronicity ? Loved your post, brought a smile to my winter-weary face.
And your humourous looking Koala - he's got something up his sleeve, for sure!
Greetings from Auckland, New Zealand.
I enjoyed that little history lesson for the day❤ thank you Max
💯💯💯💯💯💯
As a Dr. Pepper addict I must let you know that I love your shirt good sir. A man of class and integrity
I've spent all 24 years of my life tryna figure out what supposed
"mixed fruit flavours" make up DrPepper and I still ain't any closer to figuring it out
Dr Pepper ❤. Didn’t see that the first time. Was too busy learning something cool 😎
Class and integrity is a lot to infer by a t-shirt. Lol. I'm teasing; I know it's just an expression, like "you're a gentleman and a scholar."
I drank DP every day for years. All I can advise is to take care of your teeth, I don't drink soda anymore but not before losing all of my teeth by my mid 40's. I drink coffee now everyday with sweetener and soak my dentures overnight.
Here's an interesting (to me) side story: King Charles I is executed by his people, Oliver Cromwell takes over then dies, Charles II is invited back home from exile and the crown is restored in 1660. Some time goes by and C#2 has many, many, MANY mistresses. His thing was other-men's wives. That's important because, all of a sudden, in 1672, Chaz starts asking around about how to close down the coffeehouses despite having very little interest in them prior.
His people come back shaking their heads, but in 1675 Chuckles ignores all laws and shutters every coffeehouse in England with a single proclamation. Why, you might ask? Well it turns out a rumor was going around saying that men who drank coffee couldn't have kids. It was part of a pamphlet that was circulating about the "licentious" debasement of society. Anyway, so many of his mistresses advocated for the salvation of their husbands loins that Charles II decided to intervene for the good of the next generation.
Due to the riots, the ban lasted two weeks and the king rescinded the order on 1676-JAN-08. Charles was subsequently bankrupted (one month later) because the money he was spending on his mistresses far outstretched tax incomes, but was ultimately bailed out.
More channels like this would make the world a better place
I wonder if there ever will be such a thing as the "smartest minds" in anything again, let alone them all being friends and chilling in public
In Kolkata, India, they have the "Indian Coffee House" chain; the most famous is in College Street; it has been a hub for political activists and students, particularly left wing, and is regarded as integral to contemporary Bengali culture.
Bangladesh has real Bengali culture lol
interesting
they are in Kerala also ..... or perhaps a different chain with the same name
oh it's more interesting than I thought: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Coffee_House#Himachal_Pradesh
We, as a society, need to bring this back😭
Billion dollar making universities and colleges would get the best of their half cooked, indoctrinated 'mad geniuses' to cancel you before you can smell the first brew. Want to know who's pushing an agenda look at who's got the most to lose
Newton: no one disses my bro, I'll do it myself
Without the freedom to bounce ideas back and forth, you never get to the truth. I must be thankful for these early scientists for everything they did to push human knowledge about our world.
We need these male-only spaces for civilization to thrive.
The most unbelievable part of this story is that Isac N had a friend.
Boy oh boy, how the coffee house has changed.
And the price.
Honestly, the fact that we can attribute the inverse-square law to a conversation over coffee is wild. ☕
A conversation over coffee, an apple falling from a tree, even the smallest things can be a spark of inspiration for those with the mind and will to see it through
The whole era of Enlightenment was practically fueled by coffee, there are sooo many discoveries and inventions we can attribute to it, it's insane
The whole era of Enlightenment was practically fueled by coffee, there are sooo many discoveries and inventions we can attribute to it, it's insane
Hooke was short. He was also mad at Newton initially for not giving him credit for the inverse square idea.
So Newton wrote in his preface ‘i have not gotten here on my own, I have stood on the shoulders of giants. ‘ it was actually an insult to Hooke.
Now it gets repeated all the time as a deep thought.
No one:
This guy: 🧿👄🧿
The 'coffee' houses were alcohol halls, coffee didn't come until later
Wine and later beer were how people typically drank because they didn't really have water purification
That say a lot of ideas were generated in those alcohol halls, people would go the in the mornings and lunch breaks
It sounds like England used to be cool
We still have pubs mate
Halley's comet is returning in 2061, not 2065. Otherwise, great short. I agree, more modern coffee houses need to be like this!
Bah! You’re right.
Coffee houses were, indeed, crucial to the spread of Enlightenment ideas
The sharing of info between coffee houses influenced the creation of the newspaper. King Charles II banned coffeehouses because they were ‘evil’ and the ban only lasted 11 days. …Saw you on Sorted food where I got that info. Great episode.
Mannn if only people these days hung out in coffee houses like that instead of all the smartest people being difficult to find and the TikTok addicts being easy.
"I gotchu bro."
- Isaac Newton (probably)
'If I have done great things, it's because I was standing in the closet of smart men taking notes and then publishing their ideas as my own.'
-Isaac Newton
I don't care about seeing the Beatles live I just wanna go to a 18th century coffee house
Too bad coffee shops aren’t what they used to be
I agree. Nowadays coffee shops have become more of a place to do political activism and discuss left-wing ideas.
@@ericp0012 ain't that like Starbucks
@@ericp0012ah yes and these scientists, some of whom got kicked out of churches or countries for their radical ideas and politics, would have been the epitome of conservative sensibility today
Every time I read about Newton I think that guy was so damn smart, talking to regular people must have been like talking to a pet dog for him.
@maximusf Agree with your post. Have you ever read a modern biography of Isaac Newton?
What a difficult childhood he had.
His mother suddenly abandoned him at age 5 or 6 [to his grandparent, apparently] and as a parent myself, I can imagine how this would have traumatised him. No wonder he took refuge in Mathematics. But look what he did with it...!
Astounding.
Someone I read quoted "Only once in a thousand years do we get a
brain like Newton's"
Only proves that coffee makes you smart, this discovery makes me feel like a GENIUS now😉😁
"Nah, I'd win."
Ah the times when superstars were intelligent!
The most genius moment I'll ever see is when Starbucks spells my name right.
Coffee shops have changed so much. Karens and liberal arts. It’s like the opposite of a penny university.
Enjoying my own “dish of coffee” as I watch this…
And it was coffee houses and not the Doctor that explains the mavity of the situation
😂😂😂
Ah, brilliant! 😅🤩
Did Leibniz ever show up? I prefer Leibniz's notation over Newton's any day.
Leibniz provided the chocolate biscuits.
Same it's a lot clearer
Pics or it didn’t happen vibes
the one thing I continue to rediscover is how many people in history actually knew each other and hung out. like if they lived in the same era of, say, the early 17th century or mid 19th century, and we still know about them, you bet they partied together
We also get the modern form of insurance from coffee houses. You could support a merchant's outgoing ship by taking a portion of the risk for a fee. You would sign your name on the bottom of a ducument listing the ship info. You wrote under the info. So that was the original "underwriting".
One of these coffee houses found the insurance aspect more profitable than coffee, so decided to focus on that eventually. The coffee house? Lloyds of London.
This is the kind of content I love
These are very strange comments 👇
You got me. But let our dogs go for a walk. ☝️
Thank you for making content like this. Subbed.
We could use more coffeehouses like those! 👍
Any ideas on how to get started?
I sometimes in brief moments of weakness think I might be smart, at least to some degree, and then I read about these men. What they accomplished with the tools they had available showed just how impressive their minds were. I can’t understand any of what they discussed on this short and I probably never will, even with the internet and such, it’s honestly mind blowing.
I can't imagine how different society would be if we didn't love getting high off caffeine
Not only had Newton ALREADY proven it before this conversation took place, he invented calculus to do it.
Halley's biggest contribution to Englad's scientific community was pursuading Newton to publish. 3 lsws of motion, calculus, optics, gravitational law. & new methods to compute PI were all in those works.
Thanks Max! I’m a math, science and engineering teacher. I often tell my kids the history is often a big part of what makes a lesson interesting. I’ve taught history and cooking, and the longer I teach, the more I reject the notion that any subject really exists apart from all the others. As a chemistry teacher, this is something I’m able to stress. There would be no sauces, no soufflés and no pastries without chemistry (and math!) And pretty much every tool we use in the kitchen amounts to the fruits of engineering-spoons, knives, dishes, pots & pans, oven mitts, tongs, strainers, ovens, fridges, etc. ad mauseum)-though few of the inventors understood themselves to be engineers.
Coffee always does the trick. also I hope to still be alive when Haley’s comet comes back to visit. I’ll be 70. Surely I will still love astrology and you can only wonder the inventions and innovations to come in those years.
The bartender could have been the smartest man of his time just by overhearing the chats and we have no way to know...
These guys were legit being the main characters of their time, doing a recast of Friends but everyone of them is a legend in their field.
isn't that just, like, Big Bang Theory kinda???
Imagine having a circle of friends consisting of those outstanding gentlemen .
Imagine being a person in that coffee house listening to them
On vacation in Oxford, England, i stopped to have lunch, a tasty chicken sandwich, at The Eagle and Child pub, sometimes known as 'the bird and the baby'.
This was the pub where C S Lewis and JRR Tolkien hung out and discussed the stories they were writing at the time. Imagine being there, as Lewis and Tolkien helped refine one another's stories!
All i got when i went was a pretty decent meal
Imagine living in the same time as these great intellects...and having _no idea_ you were living alongside the metaphorical giants, on whose shoulders we all stand today.
Coffehouses unlike pubs were famed for their formenting of cross discipline learning, the most famed of which was the development of trading in shares of ownership in business concerns. Originally pioneered in Amsterdam, it saw its greatest success in St. Michaels Lane and its descendent across the pond.
When coffee was worth more than today, but cost less than today.
Interestingly... people SPOKE to each other on a variety of topics, rather than just staring at their own electronics. 😢
Smartest blunt rotation
Seemed like a fun time to live for smart people!
If Newton had as much talent at sprinting as he did at math and physics, he would have run the 100 meters in 2 seconds.
Coffee houses were so popular with men that many women at the time complained. Men were spending too much time talking to each other rather than paying attention to higher class ladies. Apparently, it was a big problem for dating also.
Absolutely based and sigma pilled. Disregard females, acquire knowledge. 🗿
based
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose, god I love that song
The reason they complained is that it was an open secret that coffee house were also, in fact primarily, bawdy houses.
Everybody gangster until isaac newton enters the chat
Coffee & tea houses were popular because that's where you could get something to drink other than questionable unboiled water... And it was flavored!
Insurance, modern risk analysis - Lloyd's of London - was created in the coffee houses, as well.
Also: Hook enjoyed trolling Newton. But Newton actually got the last laugh, because Newton's most famous like is actually a response to one of Hook's trolling letters.
"If I have seen farther, it is because I stand on the shoulders of giants" was written in reply to Hook's attempts to portray Newton as a self-important idiot.
I say jealous, personally, drove Hook.
So interesting that when higher education is affordable and easily accessible we have some of the greatest minds known in history. Hmmmmm. Hmmmmm!!!!
In a less interesting event, insurance was invented in one of these coffee shops
This just reminds me how quickly we're devolving. Intellectuals barely exist, and when they do, they're shamed. And they certainly don't run the show. Thanks for bringing some intellectualism back to social media.
Do a video on hotdogs! I love your channel! it's amazing and totally epic!
Holy Holy Holy! Good stuff. It shows what an education is worth today, a penny but with inflation, a dime. Let's see, who profits on education today? The teachers are worth millions compared to administration, but administration has control. Strange brew, networking 🤔, who do you know, and what you got in your wallet? Namaste
In Paris too all the painters and writers attended coffee houses. Toulouse-Lautrec, Dali, Matisse, Rodin etc. Their coffee houses were also bars or “pubs”, of course, and their favourite drink was absinthe, that has since been banned
Why in God's name is absinthe banned??