Recarving a Clients Ibanez Bass for Comfort | Custom Shop
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In this video, Ben is carving the top of a beautiful 4 string bass to the client's specifications, and giving you a short tutorial on using the Crimson Guitars Finishing Oils while he is at it.
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Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
0:46 First up Ben finds that the tuners are all loose
1:46 The actual repair - working out the shape to be carved out
5:04 Choosing the tool - a gouge and a BC Woodworks mallet
13:29 Neck off and a sharp chisel will tidy the work.
15:18 Using small scrapers to round off the curves - then a spot of sanding
17:49 Crimson Finishing Oils brings out the beauty of the Wenge - Penetrating Oil first
20:32 Now applying the High Build Oil, possibly building up 3 or 4 coats
24:41 Short tutorial - how to get a satin finish with High Build Finishing Oil
28:04 The client would like a bit more taken off, so Ben is not yet finished!
28:19 Conclusion
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Poll - would you have chosen the hard line (sharp carve) or the soft line (Roundover)?
Soft line, but mostly for the looks. There's no hard line on that guitar anywhere, so it felt a bit off to me (although it still looked great)
Roundover for me.
I usually like a more clearly defined line better (like on the heel of a neck insert for instance), but considering the overall shape and proportions on this bass a soft roundover curve would suit really nicely!
Based on the instrument, I'd go soft line to match the other edges
Roundover, to match the the over edges of the bass !
Some people forget that instruments are tools! They should fit the way the player uses them to make their music. Beautiful work, Ben! It fits the style of the instrument very well. And Wenge is no joke, I've gotten some nasty splinters off it, so that's even more of a testament to your skill and control with a gouge.
“Always check your nuts people”. Nice one Ben!
I can attest to the quality of the courses at Crimson. I did the 3 day setup and refretting course 2 weeks ago and had a blast. Not only did I learn how to refret and setup my bass but I had a blast. My £80 made in China bass now plays as well as an instrument many times more expensively priced!
I agree with the client. When you were making that edge, I was thinking round it over and blend into the original carve.
Beautiful work Ben, thanks
The slightest beginning of a smirk at :50 mark “always check yer nuts people” 😊
Love it! Ben is the best!
Such a pretty bass. It would kill me to do this. I admire your fearlessness Ben
Love the New layout of the Workshop at Crimson Guitar HQ. Great Finish Oil Thanks
I have a Sr505 that I've had since 2003-04. I have done several modifications on it and its great ..
My late father bought it for me and it has been my companion ever since. I lost my dad 3 1/2 years ago and it is priceless.... Several years ago i bought a 2016 model and i couldn't stand it.. completely different from my other 1..
Thanks for the video Crimson
Such talent and skill. You have done a great work. 👍👍
Perfect timing for a finish sale... I've literally just reached that point in my build and I wanna do this penetrating/high build combo for my spalt maple/walnut/purple heart build
@Crimson Custom Guitars Ben you're such an amazing guitar builder! Every time I see a new video of yours it makes my day! Your creations are truly beautiful! The Bobba Fret was awesome to watch! I hope to have you make me a guitar someday when I save up enough money! I can't wait to see what the Redwood SG turns out like! It looks amazing already! Just wanted to say I am a huge fan!
-Stephen Penor
@Crimsoncustomguitars YAY!! More BASS!!!!
Wow, that body is a splendid piece of wood. What a great pattern of dark and light. I've seen "letter wood" in South America, it was dark brown and orange, having an almost random pattern. I guess these exotic woods are not cheap, nowadays.
Always a joy, 30 min of clenching my fist. I've watched you carve many times why is my body Insta freaking out.
A Guitar Maker has not gone far enough until the guitar is a joy to play and sounds glorious. 😎
Soft line.
From a pragmatic standpoint, I say by all means modify the client's instrument the way they want it modified. It belongs to them, and I assume they're paying you good money for the adjustment. From 3 years of classical guitar lessons, however... my advice to the client would be "dude--if you're thumping the top when you play, and it bothers you, adjust your technique so you're NOT thumping the top when you play!"--which is exactly the kind of thing my classical teacher would have said.
So, did this modification have the desired effect? Did the owner stop hitting the body while playing? As always Ben, top notch work!
Dude, kind'a annoyed that we didn't get to see the finished product. I don't have or care to have insta, sucks that I'll never know the outcome of this beautiful instrument.
I carved belly and arm reliefs in my tele and it feels so much better now.
Fantastic video Ben I love stuff like this . If you live an instrument don’t be afraid to mod it a bit ( unless it’s vintage an very valuable. I do things like this to all my guitars 😊
I've actually gotten flak for taking a Squier Strat Affinity, and changing it from a black burst to a blue with black burst with stain instead of spray.
Like a single 2014 common guitar being changed in that way would diminish the Affinity series, or something...
@@imywt Well done, I got the same problem with sunbursts. I hate them. It's like boring people wearing boring clothes, these bursts are a uniform. So, yuck. Sand them down, often the wood is very okay, clear coat or linseed oil. It is just a finish, who cares?
And there are zillions of those Squires, one in a different color won't hurt anybody. I'd say. Play it, don't sell it, who cares about value?
@voornaam3191 Exactly what my plan was, and is. That's my 2nd Squier, and I'm not selling trading or giving away either. They're for ME, not for the world.
My first one was a $100 brand new guitar from a music store that hasn't existed in over 20 years. She got stripped, and stained too. I'm quite pleased with both of them.
Ibanez guitars are really nice.. very comfortable and seem well made for a fair price.
I haven't seen the final result as I don't have or want Instagram, but it looks pretty good to me. I have no problem with instruments being customised to suit the owner/player, unless it's a vintage instrument of course, in which case it should be left well alone. My own main instrument is a 1994(ish) Charvel Fusion 5 bass, from which I've removed the pickups (too weedy), electronics (I know that batteries can and will fail mid-gig), and about 18 inches of spare wiring. I put in a Double Eagle P-bass pickup and a volume control and that's all I need. Nobody listens to us bass-players anyway so there's no point being precious about your tone! The Double Eagle pickup's output is much higher than anything else so I need to turn the amp's gain down if somebody else has previously used it (I used to do a lot of jam nights where I was the resident bass-player for anyone who needed one), and with a Hipshot on the B string that takes it down to an A, it's all the bass I've ever needed.
can't find it on the insta page
Link please
Please stop hiding content behind a Meta Company wall (Facebook, Instagram etc)
There are many people who actively and purposely do not use Meta products due to their awful privacy practices/policies and selling of personal data to advertisers.
A lot of people are actively trying to stop their personal data being used as 'product'.
So I will not get to see the final thing because of this 😮💨
@@Peterbrendanalbert I pay for youtube premium and a few other google services (google drive storage), its about limiting my personal data because to totally expunge yourself from online companies that aggressively sell your personal data, you'd have to just stop using the internet and a smart phone completely.
Its about picking your battles.
Meta have a torrid history with things such as the Cambridge Analytica scandal and attempts to use their platform to sway national election results.
We use Instagram a lot but all video content that goes up there is also on TH-cam.. pictures etc less so of course, but where else would I put them? I am also no fan of Meta but many many of our fans use them and therefore so do we
Probably not much imo
@@CrimsonCustomGuitars Hi Ben/Crimson, not saying you shouldn't use those services, but it would be nice if you could put the rest of this job on youtube or on your website?
TH-cam is no different than meta or Twitter (now X) Why people need to bitch about their Data is beyond silly. You need to move in the woods and hide to get away from all the data mining etc.
I’ve done, on multiple occasions, put an arm carve on a telecaster and a belly carve. Feels so much better to play. I didn’t use a gouge or anything fancy, just a bunch of abrasives
I like the look of the hard line but I'm going to plump for the round-over style in your poll. 🙂
The fan fret 5-string version of that is a beautiful instrument, and would be a perfect candidate for the Daily Guitar Draw if you were ever able to get hold of one.
And yes, I’m saying that because I can’t afford it but really want one 😁
Those do indeed look amazing...
I've never seen one in real life, but I'd love to try it!
I do have a fanfret guitar, and it's really easy to get used to - the string tension is much better balanced too, I feel...
On a bass that would be even more noticeable - especially on the low end ;)
@@claudevieaul1465 I was in a music shop yesterday and was hoping to play the Multiscale, but even though they were listing it as “in stock” apparently that meant it was in a warehouse in Sweden ☹️ I did play the regular SR though (basically a slightly updated version of what Ben’s working on here) and it was a very comfortable instrument - slim, lightweight, carves in all the right places.
Also had a play on an LTD EC1000 (regular 6 string) and really liked that, then got home and found it had just been added to Daily Guitar Draw. So I immediately got a ticket for that 😁
Have you ever done a "faceted" build? I love the look of raw chiseled/gouged wood with just a bit of smoothing, but keeping all of the marks. If you do it deliberately, that would look so awesome. I've watched you for years (from when you were in that TINY shop and had to go to the bandsaw room) and haven't ever seen one. . .
Hi Ben;
I believe either would look great, so I would have to take the option of a, "happy customer line." In this case the customer's request is a round over, so I'd make it a round over line. By the way, I love what you did to this bass. Thanks for the fine video.
By using only chisels, gouges, and sandpaper, Ben unintentionally gave us a sequel to the hand tool only build 😂
As an owner of the 5-String version, the SR5005 which I love so much, this is like watching a horror movie.
I can't imagine spending the money to have someone carve up my bass, rather than just learning to adjust my technique so I'm not constantly hitting the body.
@@CrimsonQuandarythat would be my first suggestion as a teacher. Modify the technique and clean up your playing. This may solve the issue but it is like a band aid on a broken leg.
Same, I have this 4 string and also the 20th anniversary SR prestige 4 string and it was difficult to watch such a beautiful instrument being molested but I guess it didn't turn out too badly due to Ben's expertise.
@@Peterbrendanalbert Then do not do this mod. BEEEEEEEEEP!
I dont find a use to carve the body? Is it cause of the tone in that spot? Im so confused. My feeling is for visuals.
I am not a luthier or a player. But I have been building stuff out of wood for ages, and I agree with the side that thinks this no sacrilege. Customization of the pieces is part of the game. That's why one pays the price to have a custom built anything. OK, an historical piece probably shouldn't be done; what did Ben say, a '59 Les Paul? Sorry, I don't speak guitar. But if it's your daily driver, have at you. If it works better for you to have the carve in the top, then it works better for you. So what if you can't sell it? You aren't going to sell it anyway. You're more likely to leave it to your grand-nephew in your will anyway, and he'll probably treasure it because it was yours, even if it doesn't work well for him. He'll bring it out once in a great while, explaining why it's precious to him, and play it reverently. Maybe he can't play it quite as well as his daily driver, but he has a lot more fun and whom are you to deny him?
Isn't that part of playing any instrument? Certainly a master musician can get acceptable noises out of any instrument, even cheap student models. But if you pair that master musician with a quality piece, an instrument that is designed for his style of play... that's when the magic happens.
I mind a story about an old pro golfer, back in the days when prize money wasn't so generous and clubs were made out of wood, who went to his wife and tried to explain why the purchase of a new driver was necessary. She replied that either he didn't know what he wanted in a driver, or he couldn't drive. He thought about that for a while, and concluded she was right. So he took an old club and a sanding disk, and had at it. In the end, he came up with something wonderful; he played with, and won with, that driver for years. But it didn't work for anyone else.
There's a lesson in that.
Hey Ben, off topic but would to see a video about your watch collection and passion for horology.
Oh, the humanity!
"Wen-gay". It grows in de Congo, Cammaroon, Mozambique, Ziar etc.
Wenge is a Swahili word which means "many".
I am in desperate need to know what left or right hand playing technique this guy is using that, the wood here removed is what was getting in the way. That's got to be some wild stuff and I want in on it. What music does this bass play?
I don't get it.
Why would you proceed to finishing before confirming the carve w/ the client?
Ben would it be advisable to put a dab of Loctite on the tunning key nuts?
Did you post the finished photos on Instagram? I looked, but can’t see it and I’d love to see how it turned out. 🙂
shame, don't do instagram
Soft line, for sure! Goes with the design of the instrument…
At :24 you said „ shiny, satin finish“ ithoughr, which is it he‘s referring. That’s 3 stages. You’re so thorough to this point. Until here I’m still with you but now questioning process. I’m still with you but debating quick topics taken for …? The challenge in some videos I watch is the consumers um… I guess connecting
I knew you were going to say the word "slurry"
Oh Ben, we often tend to forget that, guitars can look pristine, but they are not ornaments, rather tools, to be used and matched to the user's needs, comfortability, preferences and desire, cheers.
I'm sure I missed a video, but how the hell do you sharpen a curved scraper?
Wow, this kinda hurts 🙃 I probably would have had a bass built to spec instead of carving away at this one. While I wouldn't say this is my "dream" instrument, I do really like the Prestige series. Plus, I really don't enjoy cutting wenge.
I wonder if the carve would have been easier to start if you had cut the shape out of the masking tape and removed it instead of cutting through it with the gouge. Seems like that would have slipped less. I do like the scrapers there though, I make some of my own to random shapes like that.
No color matching with the rest of the body? Sharp edge?
Ben, where are your Gloves?
I'm just curious what their playing style is if they're smacking the body like that.. agressive slap maybe?
I pronounce it wenge!!!😁😁😁
I'm not an Instagram guy, but I looked and couldn't seem to find the follow-up video. Might just be my incompetence. Could someone link it?
I was thinking "it needs round over" just before he says." The client wants a round over" 😅 all the rest of the angles are round.😊
cant find pics on ig...
Another 6 episodes and we'll get to see the finished project lol
Yes, I would be willing to do this. My tools work for me, I don't work for them. That bass is a tool.
I’d only Wallify my Ibanez by adding an alembic bandpass circuit and changing the pickups to aguilar
I have an 80's squier tele that I bought used for $20, that's currently worth more than my actual '06 American Fender Telecaster. Well... it would have been worth more, if I didnt turn it into a doublecut.
I dont regret it or care, but Im sure all the guys who bolted Bigsby's on their late 50's Les Pauls have a bit of regret it
If the NOISE is bothering him, I would have first checked the pickups for microphonics, and possibly wax dipped them.
bee's wax ? surf wax ? sex wax ? or my own persownail blend of wacks...lol
soft line
I'm afraid to watch this after reading the comments. I play an Ibanez bass myself so my curiosity will get the best of me.
I've had a house fire... My bass like that got damaged.. It's a 5.
I'm trying to figure out how I'm going to save it. Active too, I hope the electronics aren't fried.
I fell asleep while watching this first time.
Gloves?
Get Sofia!
You did great work but the job requirements aren't to my taste. Seems like a problem they could have solved in a non-destructive way with a correction to their technique.
Was thinking the same thing. I can't imagine a playing style where the body of the guitar would be in the way.
I've seen a few guitars come into the shop with more ... naturally created ... carves. At least this looks like it was intended to be part of the instrument. 🙃
Unless the problem is their fingers are too fat to fit under the string for pops. Ibanez used too offer a few basses with a slap carve similar to this and Peavey did on their Grind series when it first released.
@@jazzpunkt40 that's a fair enough point. I didn't consider that.
I'm still left wondering if not trying to address the microphonic nature of the pickups wouldn't have been my first thought.
Softer is fuzzier.
I've got a different respect for Ibanez instruments. if you did that to something like a Gibson then I'd feel uneasy but I'm fine with it being an Ibanez.
I'm not saying I have less respect for them because I don't. For me they're instruments for the absolute best so finessing it to make it absolutely perfect for that performer is very Ibanez for me.
I was wincing throughout this. He's going to slip any minute.
Sense of humor is tacky a long way away as well😂
What happened to the SG???
Ben has had to take some personal time recently and content production has slowed down, we're really sorry but he's back in and things have started to ramp up again. The SG build is currently on Ben's bench as we speak!
Soft line would blend in better.
I need a bass neck thined down ,,,,to chunky
Where I live we pronounce it when-gay, alternatively something between when and quench.
I would never do this my own to much fear and thoughts to mess it up...
That's why I bought a guitar kit for my initial repair lessons. Built the kit so if I screwed anything up, I didn't feel bad since it wasn't my LP or Shecter.
It's what I try a lot of different stuff on now.
Fifteen minutes into this video I was wondering why the workpiece wasn't clamped down. Oh, well.
I heat the wood until it ALMOST blisters my palm and rub the oil into the hot wood.
My advise is to proceed, alertly, until you are convinced you've enter "too far" territory and then tidy up to make it appear you knew exactly what you ere doing - all along.
You speak thoughtfully but jump sometimes too fast to the next level. Which is an art you have done better. Keep up the good work in that! You’re getting better in connecting to the masses! You are doing great! Thank u!
Charlie Sheen memes still play, you're not old Ben.
tha shienyest sheen thats eva shown. reflectivo
I heard a very swanky english cabinet maker pronounce it wen-ji. It struck me as odd because I'd only heard wen-gay or whenge. But whether he has any provenance, who knows.
I DON'T instagram, not gonna do it.
Always check your nuts people😂
Is it just me, or does anybody else always turn an ajustable spanner the wrong way first?
50/50 chance you’ll get the right direction.
100% odds that you’ll start out wrong.
And yes. Sometimes I go back and forth twice cause I just can’t get it right 😂
Wow, this is scary to watch.... I'm sweating.
Wen-geh for me. Wenge sounds like a door wedge to me.
…so you’re tellinge me wenge doesn’t rhyme with henge?
Roundover. Obviously.
Argh, support your work! all that unnecessary stress on the neck joint, and movement...
Mmmmmm can’t beat an Ibanez bass rat’s nest of wiring!
Go on, show us yer wenge
when-gay, but i aint no woodsman so...
It's wenge to rhyme with henge, If you called it whengay then Paris is Paree, it's always been called wenge (henge) in England, just as Paris is Parris
It's not an English word though, so the same linguistic rules don't necessarily apply.
@@beezusKritso And Paris is??
@peejay6930 No, in English we don't really pronounce it as it should be pronounced either though
@@beezusKritso That was my point, for decades it was wenge (henge) and relatively recently when-gay has become popular, no English person says "Parrie" for Paris. Same with Ibanez, no one says Ebeneth, when-gay always sounds a little pretentious kinda "I know how to pronounce it correctly" we even get Venn-gay :o)
Why wouldn't you carve a Les Paul?
Of course you can. Just do it
Life's too short for bad audio...
Ben's got a low pass filter hanging from the bottom of his chin, directly in line with the Lavallier.
Makes sense - spend 2 grand on a gorgeous bass, then pay a luthier ? grand to cut a chunk out of it because it doesn't feel right !? Why not buy one that is more suited and save a fortune? Or - how to ruin a beautiful bass in one easy lesson...
I pronounce it "Wen-Gay" I think that is how it's pronounced? Most excellent brother. Great job as usual. I love the Crimsom Oil✌️🤍
In Brazil, this "perfect" instrument costs 5 thousand euros. What is the purpose of this "profanation"?
Weng-gay.