My wife doesn't understand why I am so happy at our local wood supplier - I don't build guitars but everything about what Ben said here still applies to what I do. I love the smells and the textures and imagining the possibilities. Would love to see you process a slab into usable pieces.
Big bandsaws and delegation :) I am, at heart, a lazy man. But yes, that could make a cool video. I am thinking about buying a flamed Ash tree they had at Tyler and that will need processing.. mmm. B
got it in one.. the day I had custom hard cases made with Crimson Branding moulded in and the day I bought a whole damn flame sycamore tree are equal in my mind as watershed moments in my career! I am very much having the time of my life right now. B
You should make a nautical themed guitar: brass hardware, teak and holly body, inlayed compass rose or filigree, mahogany neck, inlayed manila rope banding
It's almost unbelievable the way wood will move. You have to cut it the right way, even when it's cured. I'm working on my first guitars right now. I've cut the blanks for the bodies and am letting it sit under heat in my shop. The slabs I'm using have been in my shop for two years now and the moisture reading is perfect. You still never know what will happen when you release that tension after a cut. That lumber yard looked like a very happy place. I wish I wasn't on the other side of the pond, but I'd spend too much money there.. You build beautiful guitars and your videos are full of great information..
in the GGBO Brad Angove was giving advice to the competitors who wanted to have a TH-cam channel in the end.. he said 'make sure you are useful' and I realised that at heart, while I was still teaching through the builds I was not being as useful and I could be and had strayed quite far from where I actually wanted to be.. timed builds, crazy challenges etc may be entertaining, but I want to educate as well, this is me trying too be useful and it will be staple from now on. B
@@CrimsonCustomGuitars nice one man! it's what i subscribed for back in 2014 and the knowledge was invaluable, don't get me wrong though, the challenge builds are great too! the perfect balance is there somewhere, but i'm glad you're leaning back towards the tutorial side of things.
I wonder if an employee at Crimson ever saw a plank and immediately claimed it. "No, that one is mine. You lot can bugger off and build with something else!" I mean, besides Ben.
Yes please! More of this kind of content, seeing as you’re offering.... Love watching things like the Out Of The Woods channel ( he’s also a pretty fine guitarist - that’d be an interesting collaboration) but always keen to see things in a more guitar/ musical instrument-specific context. Thankyouverymuch!
There is that.. it used to be a given, nowadays some companies are not quite living up to the hype. The Wagner meter is incredible technology and pretty much bullet proof. We've been using, and abusing, them for years and they have stood up to all we could throw at them. B
For a small guy like myself a lightbulb kiln is very useful so I can utilize local lumber I mill or have milled. The moisture meter is huge, I watched a beautiful Blue Mahoe Stave snare drum pull itself apart before I got my meter. The wood came from a trusted friend who meant no harm.
@@CrimsonCustomGuitars how much as the lockdown affected the build times? As I've a guitar being made by Crimson, and I'm impatient to get my hands on it?
I take a paper clip when buying wood, unbend it out to poke into beetle holes etc. to find how deep and which direction. Built a guitar over the summer with a ripple sycamore body - absolutely stunning wood... with the right finish
Oven isn't really an option, unless you want to buy take out for a few months.. doing it too fast will damage the wood.. however a small kiln/drying room/cupboard is certainly an option and I will do a video on that one day soon! B
Have you guys done a video yet of how you process the bought timber to get the most out of a beautiful piece of timber like how to square it, level it, what's best for bodies, necks etc would be awesome to see
Trustworthy suppliers are so important. It's great that you give shout-outs to the worthy. Interesting recent video on Texas Toast's channel about a customer who recently got their fingers burned 😞
Finding something that could be a firewood or a £25 stool etc and seeing a £2k guitar or more is such a rush.. it is like bargain hunting at an auction house or car boot sale only less luck and more skill and knowledge, arguably... B
@@CrimsonCustomGuitars totally agree. I love wood. I found a sapling with a honey suckle twist and gnarled lump where the honey suckle had strangled it. It made an awesome walking stick with lovely grain and pattern. A feeling of accomplishment
Thank you for this vid - Dare I say your channel is one of the more informative guitar channels available and a source of information I trust. Whenever I've thought about building from scratch the procurement of wood has come up as a consideration and now I know a little more than I did 20 minutes ago =]
I think you got the radial and tangential rates reversed (just a verbal typo I am sure). Just mentioning it for viewers that wondered! One of the joys of quartersawn wood is that it shrinks half as much (very approximately) in the width of the plank, as a flat sawn piece would. The direction where it shrinks most is the thickness, but because it's a smaller dimension, it's no big deal. And just for completeness here, most woods hardly shrink at all in the length.
I've always thought a video (or video series) titled something like "Wood Review with Ben" where you go through [eventually] every species of wood and rate them for guitar construction with categories like "appearance," "durability," "price," "easiness to work with" etc. would be cool. Also, one more category for some woods would be "color fastness," i.e. for woods like purple heart; how quickly its color goes fades over time. Possibly conclude the talk about each species with statements like "great/bad for guitars," "[not] recommended for beginners/advanced," etc. Edit: Not just rating, but discussing thoroughly their pros and cons mostly as they apply to guitar building but also woodworking in general.
I got a friend who felled a few walnut trees a few years ago and he's also got a sawmilling set and I'm going to buy some of those logs at a discount and im a bit excited
I think my two favorite stages of a project are picking out wood and applying finish. Unfortunately now that I'm no longer a student, I have to buy my wood (and have very limited storage) which means for now I can only dream of one day walking into a warehouse and taking home everything that makes me smile. In the meantime I can at least live vicariously through videos like this.
Hi mate Thanks to you i have purchased my Triton router .Just a Quick question ,To do rough cut on Body and Neck Blank's what Power Does it require When it's come to band saw.Thanks.
My dad used to use Clorox and bleach wood to be lighter when he wanted to match an ajoining piece. As I recall it took the red out of cherry to match mahogany on my antique piano stool. It worked perfectly.
Thanks, Ben! We had some maple fall on our property during a summer storm and I've been saying how much a damn shame it'd be to let it go to waste. Great starting point!
Use it!! It can sit for a year or three in log form before you really have to start thinking about planking it.. if you are lucky you may find a local with a chainsaw mill who will come do it for you for a small fee.. I wish I had big, pretty trees to fall down eventually and give up their sweet sweet timber! B
Most workshops are not ideally insulated or regulated.. we just have to get the wood as dry as possible and build the project as fast as practicable.. one option you may find useful is to make an air tight cupboard big enough for your general projects and keep a small dehumidifier in there.. every evening leave the guitar, chair, wing chun training dummy etc etc in that place to dry. Keep it at the same relative humidity as the intended location of the final product and you're golden! B
Ben, I'm so jealous! I want a wood dealer!!!! And thanks for the little sound tip to find cracks. Neat! I've got some wild cherry that I had cut 15 years ago that has been dying in a shop attic, that I'm going to try making my first guitar out of.
As a guitar tech with some carpentry experience buying wood scares me. This was helpful but would love top see more like tips and tricks or dos and dons when choosing wood
@@CrimsonCustomGuitars did you repost that older clip on your main channel on the back of this comment. I feel honoured 🎖....erm even if it was coincidental.😁
I've just passed this on to the office, they should have got back to you within a day.. please could you send it again and they will be on the lookout. I'm sorry we weren't more prompt.. times are somewhat fraught right now but that is no excuse! B
I have worked with a ton of curly redwood over the years, and I saw that piece at 1:07 and my immediate thought was, "that's some nice curly redwood." You then called it "wellingtonia" and I had to wikipedia it myself, and i found out that California redwood is also referred to as Wellingtonia! i had no idea! epic grain
Hey Thomas.. neither did I until we got back and Sam did some research! I used some once, about a decade ago, and have felt the lack ever since! So many lovely guitars to build from this trip. B
I'd love to see more of wood stuff! How dry is dry enough? What damage you can ignore and call it "Raw" and what will mess up your work? When you should just burn this piece of wood instead of investing time in it? How to cure getting over excited with bare wood?
All great questions.. maybe topics for another video tbh? Dry enough depends on where the guitar will end up living.. much damage can be a feature so long as you have a strong centreline.. burn only scraps unless desperate and, frankly, old age is the only cure I have heard for getting over excited with bare wood.. or was that death? Yeah, maybe death! B
@@CrimsonCustomGuitars that would be fantastic to see! I hope to be able to build a small workshop on my farm at some point and that would be a perfect guideline on what to do!
He is a genius and I am very much enjoying learning from what he is and has done.. but his process requires laminating other materials to the core and that's not really the sort of building I particularly enjoy.. for now ;)
@@CrimsonCustomGuitars That’s a super fair point. I guess it’s soft like poplar or pine, with the 3 kN janka. I guess it’s the tradeoff being stiffer than hard maple at 3/4 the weight. Amazing on paper but hard to work with. Ooh braided carbon fibre sleeve. I’ve never seen it even available where I am, so I’ll keep dreaming on that one 😄
I just realised, the rose gum I have I measured at 511.5kg/m3, so it’s just as stiff but twice as hard as the fir. It’s kind of like cutting particleboard but it sands pretty well so it’s ok.
Please give us more content on how to see what the wood will look like when its been worked. Example how to spot flaming, quilted tops, ripples or birds eye in the raw timber
sometimes you just don't know until you cut into it.. flame, ripple and quilting can be seen from the outside of the tree.. birdseye, I really don't know tbh.. burl is fun and often the crotch is where you find the best, or most interesting, grain.. B
yes, please more education. I live in southeastern US and we are humid and wet year round. How to properly dry and store wood would make a great video for a novice such as I. Let me add I do not yet have the courage to make a guitar, but I do enjoy making tables and wet/dry bars for the home.
Your best bet is to do everything I said in the video but then also store the wood in the end environment for 3 to 6 months for it to reach equilibrium with your home.. I will go into more depth I. A later video for sure. B
I would appreciate it if you did a few video's on kiln drying and other methods if you know any others. I am wanting to build my first guitar and I feel that I have acquired good knowledge from yours and others video's and a few books that I have read. I have just the other day was able to get an apple tree that my neighbor wanted down and I would like to how to dry it properly. Thanks for sharing. I still would love to see you build an acoustic guitar with your madness and free spirit thinking.
Hey David, I'm planning a small kiln and timber store at home and will film bits of that for sure and am also planning several different acoustics in the next few years.. B
I found that to be a very interesting video. Even though I'm not really a woodworker, I've often wished I was- wood is amazing stuff. That first piece of Wellingtonia is just gorgeous, and the price was a fair bit less than I would have guessed. There'll be some beautiful guitars made with those pieces of timber.
there really will, and I was amazed at the price too.. I grabbed as much of it as I could as it is not likely to come up again like this any time soon.. you should get into woodworking, even in a small way, I find it makes my life so so much better. Thanks for watching. B
@@CrimsonCustomGuitars I did once make a custom body for one of my basses- three layers of mahogany, all cut out with a coping saw! The final result worked, so I used the spare body to make an electric 12 string with far too many switching possibilities.
Ok is there a part two on your storage and prep before you finally use the wood for your guitars? Would love to see how you store and maintain your storage. I worked for Martin years ago and I've seen their storage from the inside and would love to compare examples.
Thinking about getting back into classical guitar building after 35 years break -my first attempt was not good, a learning experience- the back cracked! Cant see any classical guitar tonewoods here (have postponed watching full video till I have more time), but I’d appreciate any info on those lines, and also on humidity control in a single-brick garage/workshop!
Great video. It would be interesting to see how you process some of the wood you purchased, particularly the pieces with defects, for use as guitar bodies or necks.
That was some beautiful looking wood. The best part of starting any project is getting that perfect piece of wood !! Hell, I'm always picking up nice looking wood and then thinking of the next project !!
thanks Ben, I wish you could elaborate on what sizes you choose and why. Does size matter ?? I mean, is it mandatory to get a 2-2.5 inches thick board to make a body ? Is it even preferable ? or any size will do ? this can be true for bodies or any part, tops, necks, ... Are there any best practices to cut boards (which directions ?) and how to glue them to get something attractive and/or "structurally effective" ?
Hi there....I'm a woodworking machinist and my favourite wood was "paduuk" an awesome purplish hardwood slowly fading into sap wood. Would make an awesome guitar
Hey Ben, Great video as always. However: you are talking about how important it is to dry your wood, but I missed the most important piece of information: How dry it actually should be? When is it dry enough?
Maple, or sycamore in the UK, can be sourced all over and as long as you get a good cut with the figure you want and no checks etc it will be fine.. make sure that it is very dry, preferably around 9% or so before you start. Spruce.. but the best piece you can afford from an accredited dealer.. it needs to be from the alps or a similar very high and cold location and perfectly quarter sawn with tight and even grain.. Whatever you do don't try and use standard quicker growth spruce, the grain is far too wide and it would be too weak, therefore would need to be left thicker to be structurally sound, and therefore therefore ;) it would sound even worse.. B
@@CrimsonCustomGuitars How hard is Sycamore to make a guitar neck compared to Canadian or American hard maple? I heard that is similar but a little softer.
All your wood buying adventures should be filmed - I'ts amazing to see what's out there and what could be used for a guitar beyond the usual mahogany/maple/ash etc. I'd love to see something on using reclaimed wood - from 100 year old pubs being torn down or just someone's old house. Gorgeous old floorboards as tops or even old tabletops re-used - and the pitfalls we may need to be aware of. I have a few recycled timber places bookmarked to check out for my next build. One has "project packs" of shorter lengths of wood
One question I have related to this video: What thicknesses of wood do you typically aim for when buying pre-dried stuff, with respect to necks, bodies, tops, fretboards, etc - i.e. how much post-purchase milling do you have to do/avoid when selecting various thicknesses?
I would love to see another video talking about pre-cut boards usable for guitar building, like whether 6/4, 8/4, etc. are more suitable and what widths are needed to turn those into body and neck blanks since people who have an interest in guitar building might not have all of the woodworking machinery required to process down huge slabs like purchased in this video but still want to buy wood. Thickness planers and jointers are quite expensive and they seem necessary if buying raw chunks like this.
As they were delivering your wood, I thought, ...... I wonder if Ben can remember, all the wood that he's bought, and where it's located. It seemed to be delivered into your woodstore in some haphazard way ! ! You need a bigger wood-store Ben, and a computerized means of location and identification ! YES, I want more on your timber searches, and possible uses for same ! Love the Vlog.
That was just.coming into the factory before the rain.. it was all processed down within a few days and is now in the timber store.. which is far too small, far far too small. We're not big enough for a proper inventory system quite yet but fingers crossed we will be in a few years. B
I'm quite lucky that the local building supply center near my home has a great selection of kin dried exotic woods. I get Wenge, Purpleheart, figured Maple, and Jatoba from them frequently.
I have a pile of wood that used to be my grandmothers piano. I am hoping it is good enough to extend it's musical life in the form of one or two T-style guitars.
Hi Ben, Thanks so much for this video. I would definitely love you to produce more videos on wood select, kiln-drying etc.I'm currently setting up my garage as a workshop and definitely need education on wood selection, drying etc.. Cheers from Brisbane, Australia.
I used to buy from John Boddy Timber in Boroughbridge. I can't believe they not only went out of business, but have been broken up in a fire sale. I honestly thought they'd be too viable and attractive an investment to not be bought out and continue under a new owner.
Hey thanks once again, the very things I didn't know yet before starting my first build and 2 biggest questions before even starting and they were 2 of the first videos I saw after stumbling across you just a bit ago. Glad I found ya your guitars are great! Skervesen, Aristides, mayones are amongst my favorites and what I saw so far glancing over just a few thumbnails it's safe to say your in that same league. I'm just becoming familiar with the non giant companies more recently though (last 2 years) and lots to discover still it seems. Only own a legator 7 string ninja and schecter c1 fr sustaniac model so fun at least lol those were both opportunistic purchases for 600 and 300 insane price for both and both new just 2017 models that sat schecter on the wall at guitar center was 600 and the legator some overstock place on eBay it sat new in box for 3 years so lucky there it's multi scale so less than a thousand us crazy. Anyways bc I want something multiscale and 8 string and custom I'm gonna try n make it. My wife will be away for 6 months soon like 2 weeks she was 65% of income and we got by with very small surplus typically so I'm super worried about maintaining the house got a lab and 4 cats counting on me too so want to channel that into something to battle the sadness of her being gone so long and the stress of having to make 200% my normal income to stay afloat lol sorry for rambling but very helpful guitars and kickboxing are the only times I'm not a mess ATM
I love working with timber ... I am often heard to exclaim the following after I realise that I get to 'play with wood' on a project : 'Wood is Good !' 😁
That planed thick and wide piece of £34 Douglas Fur would probably cost at least £200 in a ‘normal’ large wood shop. But I reality not an issue because they wouldn't have any of it. Unfortunately these small speciality wood shops is not available where I live.
Lol I'm going for oak now that u said it looks like "furniture". Laminated of course. Make only the neck from it. Another luthier said it was no good. So now I have to.
Start with equal parts creativity every time.. or at least know that with a pretty flamed piece of sycamore you can make pretty guitars, oftentimes even if there is rot or some sort of issue you can find something amazing to do with a piece of wood so, creativity and vision is key imo. B
Well, a friend of mine says to me years ago, that an electric guitar is a good bridge, good frets work, a straight neck, a good nut, good tuning pegs, of course good pickups and a good adjustment everywhere.. The rest is only a peace of wood.
Fascinating! I would like to see how the raw wood is taken to the stage before body/neck building! I’m sure there are a whole load of potential problems and pitfalls!
there are lots of things that can go wrong, and most of them happen really slowly :( The one that doesn't is putting a damp piece of wood in direct sunlight.. you can quickly cause checks and cracks and then will kick yourself! B
More on drying please, I can't imagine why one would insulate a very well ventilated room. I always thought the goal was to slow down the drying so the whole piece drys with the center to avoid cracking. I don't think there is a lumber yard like that within a thousand mile of me, where i live everything you bought would have gone for firewood.
We had a really lucky day, a normal buying trip doesn't often yield this much stunning wood.. trust me we are going back to Tyler Harwood again, and again! B
My wife doesn't understand why I am so happy at our local wood supplier - I don't build guitars but everything about what Ben said here still applies to what I do. I love the smells and the textures and imagining the possibilities.
Would love to see you process a slab into usable pieces.
Big bandsaws and delegation :) I am, at heart, a lazy man. But yes, that could make a cool video. I am thinking about buying a flamed Ash tree they had at Tyler and that will need processing.. mmm. B
"Guys, I've found a tree that I want"
Guitar making goals :)
got it in one.. the day I had custom hard cases made with Crimson Branding moulded in and the day I bought a whole damn flame sycamore tree are equal in my mind as watershed moments in my career! I am very much having the time of my life right now. B
"I'm actually standing in a giant kiln."
Even more reason to trust your supplier.
Flashback to the first Kickass film?
15:42 Close; it's "electrodes". The anode is the positive electrode, specifically (cathode is negative).
The most interesting part of a guitar. Yes please more.
will do. B
Fascinating stuff. Wood is just such an awesome medium.
It really is, I've build my life around it. Thanks for watching. B
You should make a nautical themed guitar: brass hardware, teak and holly body, inlayed compass rose or filigree, mahogany neck, inlayed manila rope banding
Now that is a great idea
Now I'm tempted to do just this! B
@@CrimsonCustomGuitars And then learn some shanties with the Longest Johns.
If we're going Nautical, Teak would be a great choice.
I can imagine all of the pirate puns that would happen...
Thank Ben, tech tip are always welcome. The beginning is always a good place to start. Keep your nose out of the wind and stay safe.
I'm a woodturner and buy all my wood at Tyler Hardwoods. They said it was great to have you there last week. Love this!
Yes yes yes I'm just beginning to build my own Guitars and would love to have a little more knowledge on the kiln drying process
Cool. Coming up. B
It's almost unbelievable the way wood will move. You have to cut it the right way, even when it's cured. I'm working on my first guitars right now. I've cut the blanks for the bodies and am letting it sit under heat in my shop. The slabs I'm using have been in my shop for two years now and the moisture reading is perfect. You still never know what will happen when you release that tension after a cut. That lumber yard looked like a very happy place. I wish I wasn't on the other side of the pond, but I'd spend too much money there.. You build beautiful guitars and your videos are full of great information..
i'm loving this revived variety in videos, as much as building guitars is your bread and butter, this is the meat, in my opinion.
in the GGBO Brad Angove was giving advice to the competitors who wanted to have a TH-cam channel in the end.. he said 'make sure you are useful' and I realised that at heart, while I was still teaching through the builds I was not being as useful and I could be and had strayed quite far from where I actually wanted to be.. timed builds, crazy challenges etc may be entertaining, but I want to educate as well, this is me trying too be useful and it will be staple from now on. B
@@CrimsonCustomGuitars nice one man! it's what i subscribed for back in 2014 and the knowledge was invaluable, don't get me wrong though, the challenge builds are great too! the perfect balance is there somewhere, but i'm glad you're leaning back towards the tutorial side of things.
I wonder if an employee at Crimson ever saw a plank and immediately claimed it. "No, that one is mine. You lot can bugger off and build with something else!"
I mean, besides Ben.
Happens everywhere
it does happen.. often! We let employees build on their own time and many a private build has some exceptional timber.. B
Yes please! More of this kind of content, seeing as you’re offering.... Love watching things like the Out Of The Woods channel ( he’s also a pretty fine guitarist - that’d be an interesting collaboration) but always keen to see things in a more guitar/ musical instrument-specific context. Thankyouverymuch!
I just lost a load of time checking out, and subscribing to, his channel.. good shout! B
A friend of mine told me, "You get what you pay for..... if you're lucky!"
There is that.. it used to be a given, nowadays some companies are not quite living up to the hype. The Wagner meter is incredible technology and pretty much bullet proof. We've been using, and abusing, them for years and they have stood up to all we could throw at them. B
For a small guy like myself a lightbulb kiln is very useful so I can utilize local lumber I mill or have milled. The moisture meter is huge, I watched a beautiful Blue Mahoe Stave snare drum pull itself apart before I got my meter. The wood came from a trusted friend who meant no harm.
Ben, educational posts like this are what draws me as an aspiring builder. Been a guitar repairman since 1987.
I would love to see a video on how to harvest wood from the woods and the steps to dry it so that it can become a guitar
Please Ben... more videos on this subject . Thankyou
Certainly. B
Crimson Custom Guitars
Thanking you....just generally really. 👍👍
I spent years working in a timber merchants. Miss those days.
So much wood, so little energy to use it after a day working the yard! B
I love your videos, I'd like to see more on wood stores, and timber yards!
Will do. Will do for sure.. in the meantime check out @mattcremona he does amazing things with huge lumber! B
@@CrimsonCustomGuitars how much as the lockdown affected the build times? As I've a guitar being made by Crimson, and I'm impatient to get my hands on it?
"Your wood wants to lose moisture". I'm on it!
The teenager in me just laughed! 😂
Experiments shall be conducted.. report back later? B
I take a paper clip when buying wood, unbend it out to poke into beetle holes etc. to find how deep and which direction.
Built a guitar over the summer with a ripple sycamore body - absolutely stunning wood... with the right finish
would love to find out about kiln drying. as well as if there are option for home builders to dry the wood with their oven
Oven isn't really an option, unless you want to buy take out for a few months.. doing it too fast will damage the wood.. however a small kiln/drying room/cupboard is certainly an option and I will do a video on that one day soon! B
Have you guys done a video yet of how you process the bought timber to get the most out of a beautiful piece of timber like how to square it, level it, what's best for bodies, necks etc would be awesome to see
Trustworthy suppliers are so important. It's great that you give shout-outs to the worthy.
Interesting recent video on Texas Toast's channel about a customer who recently got their fingers burned 😞
it really is so important.. and sometimes it is a fluid situation, sadly.. B
Awesome. Love this side of your craft.
Finding something that could be a firewood or a £25 stool etc and seeing a £2k guitar or more is such a rush.. it is like bargain hunting at an auction house or car boot sale only less luck and more skill and knowledge, arguably... B
@@CrimsonCustomGuitars totally agree. I love wood. I found a sapling with a honey suckle twist and gnarled lump where the honey suckle had strangled it. It made an awesome walking stick with lovely grain and pattern. A feeling of accomplishment
Thank you for this vid - Dare I say your channel is one of the more informative guitar channels available and a source of information I trust. Whenever I've thought about building from scratch the procurement of wood has come up as a consideration and now I know a little more than I did 20 minutes ago =]
Great that we could help. DC
Drooling at the site of all that wood and knowledge.Stay well,Crimson family and a cheery good holiday, Doc BC
I think you got the radial and tangential rates reversed (just a verbal typo I am sure). Just mentioning it for viewers that wondered! One of the joys of quartersawn wood is that it shrinks half as much (very approximately) in the width of the plank, as a flat sawn piece would. The direction where it shrinks most is the thickness, but because it's a smaller dimension, it's no big deal. And just for completeness here, most woods hardly shrink at all in the length.
I've always thought a video (or video series) titled something like "Wood Review with Ben" where you go through [eventually] every species of wood and rate them for guitar construction with categories like "appearance," "durability," "price," "easiness to work with" etc. would be cool. Also, one more category for some woods would be "color fastness," i.e. for woods like purple heart; how quickly its color goes fades over time. Possibly conclude the talk about each species with statements like "great/bad for guitars," "[not] recommended for beginners/advanced," etc.
Edit: Not just rating, but discussing thoroughly their pros and cons mostly as they apply to guitar building but also woodworking in general.
I got a friend who felled a few walnut trees a few years ago and he's also got a sawmilling set and I'm going to buy some of those logs at a discount and im a bit excited
I think my two favorite stages of a project are picking out wood and applying finish. Unfortunately now that I'm no longer a student, I have to buy my wood (and have very limited storage) which means for now I can only dream of one day walking into a warehouse and taking home everything that makes me smile. In the meantime I can at least live vicariously through videos like this.
With time and effort you too can have what I have, I started out just like you, a student who loved wood! B
Glad I saw this one before I tried building my first guitar. Thanks Ben.
My pleasure, thanks for watching.. and enjoy the first build and the next 20.. this is an addiction a lovely lovely addiction. B
Hi mate Thanks to you i have purchased my Triton router .Just a Quick question ,To do rough cut on Body and Neck Blank's what Power Does it require When it's come to band saw.Thanks.
Thanks Ben for sharing
My dad used to use Clorox and bleach wood to be lighter when he wanted to match an ajoining piece. As I recall it took the red out of cherry to match mahogany on my antique piano stool. It worked perfectly.
Its amazing you have all that variety, in some places like here you only get pine and eucalipthus...
Thanks, Ben! We had some maple fall on our property during a summer storm and I've been saying how much a damn shame it'd be to let it go to waste. Great starting point!
Use it!! It can sit for a year or three in log form before you really have to start thinking about planking it.. if you are lucky you may find a local with a chainsaw mill who will come do it for you for a small fee.. I wish I had big, pretty trees to fall down eventually and give up their sweet sweet timber! B
Absolutely love the wood and the moisture info. I have struggled with it in furniture making. Thanks Ben
Most workshops are not ideally insulated or regulated.. we just have to get the wood as dry as possible and build the project as fast as practicable.. one option you may find useful is to make an air tight cupboard big enough for your general projects and keep a small dehumidifier in there.. every evening leave the guitar, chair, wing chun training dummy etc etc in that place to dry. Keep it at the same relative humidity as the intended location of the final product and you're golden! B
Ben, I'm so jealous! I want a wood dealer!!!! And thanks for the little sound tip to find cracks. Neat!
I've got some wild cherry that I had cut 15 years ago that has been dying in a shop attic, that I'm going to try making my first guitar out of.
Cherry makes a stunning guitar.. quite heavy sometimes but nonetheless stunning.. send us pics when you are done? B
As a guitar tech with some carpentry experience buying wood scares me. This was helpful but would love top see more like tips and tricks or dos and dons when choosing wood
Will do!
@@CrimsonCustomGuitars did you repost that older clip on your main channel on the back of this comment. I feel honoured 🎖....erm even if it was coincidental.😁
Just booked a 6 day course with these guys. Spoke to Tom on the phone who was very professional. Cannot wait to start my course.
I've just passed this on to the office, they should have got back to you within a day.. please could you send it again and they will be on the lookout. I'm sorry we weren't more prompt.. times are somewhat fraught right now but that is no excuse! B
@@CrimsonCustomGuitars thank you very much, I have just sent it again. Sometimes things happen, it's not a problem 😊. I can't wait to do a course.
A video on the drying process would be great to see. Thanks so much for sharing.
Would love to see the process inside Crimson
We will do some filming for sure. B
Very fascinating video Ben!
Timber picking is probably my favourite process of a build.
I have worked with a ton of curly redwood over the years, and I saw that piece at 1:07 and my immediate thought was, "that's some nice curly redwood." You then called it "wellingtonia" and I had to wikipedia it myself, and i found out that California redwood is also referred to as Wellingtonia! i had no idea! epic grain
Hey Thomas.. neither did I until we got back and Sam did some research! I used some once, about a decade ago, and have felt the lack ever since! So many lovely guitars to build from this trip. B
Love to know more about where to source building materials and why to pick those suppliers. Not just lumber but hardware and electronics as well.
I'd love to see more of wood stuff!
How dry is dry enough?
What damage you can ignore and call it "Raw" and what will mess up your work?
When you should just burn this piece of wood instead of investing time in it?
How to cure getting over excited with bare wood?
All great questions.. maybe topics for another video tbh? Dry enough depends on where the guitar will end up living.. much damage can be a feature so long as you have a strong centreline.. burn only scraps unless desperate and, frankly, old age is the only cure I have heard for getting over excited with bare wood.. or was that death? Yeah, maybe death! B
Yeah yeah! More please. Show us the kiln. More technical info and "science" cheers Ben
Will do. Soon as I build my home timber store and a small kiln I will share all of the above. B
Let's hear more about wood curing storing and how to do it in a small setup for a home hobbyist!
Will do.. I need to build a small timber store at my home studio so will film a bit if that soon. B
@@CrimsonCustomGuitars that would be fantastic to see! I hope to be able to build a small workshop on my farm at some point and that would be a perfect guideline on what to do!
Ken Parker is using Douglas Fir for his neck cores in the archtop guitars. It has amazing MOE / density, it’s pretty much 530kg/m3 balsa.
He is a genius and I am very much enjoying learning from what he is and has done.. but his process requires laminating other materials to the core and that's not really the sort of building I particularly enjoy.. for now ;)
@@CrimsonCustomGuitars That’s a super fair point. I guess it’s soft like poplar or pine, with the 3 kN janka. I guess it’s the tradeoff being stiffer than hard maple at 3/4 the weight. Amazing on paper but hard to work with. Ooh braided carbon fibre sleeve. I’ve never seen it even available where I am, so I’ll keep dreaming on that one 😄
I just realised, the rose gum I have I measured at 511.5kg/m3, so it’s just as stiff but twice as hard as the fir. It’s kind of like cutting particleboard but it sands pretty well so it’s ok.
I take that back, rose gum is amazing but it tears like a bastard 😂 Beautiful timber, amazing timber, but far out man what a tearer.
Thanks Ben, great to get more behind the scenes info on and advise on before you start the building process even before making any shavings.
thanks, keep the questions coming and I will make sure to make more videos in this vein. VB, B
Very nicely presented and detailed video! Thank you!
Please give us more content on how to see what the wood will look like when its been worked. Example how to spot flaming, quilted tops, ripples or birds eye in the raw timber
sometimes you just don't know until you cut into it.. flame, ripple and quilting can be seen from the outside of the tree.. birdseye, I really don't know tbh.. burl is fun and often the crotch is where you find the best, or most interesting, grain.. B
yes, please more education. I live in southeastern US and we are humid and wet year round. How to properly dry and store wood would make a great video for a novice such as I. Let me add I do not yet have the courage to make a guitar, but I do enjoy making tables and wet/dry bars for the home.
Your best bet is to do everything I said in the video but then also store the wood in the end environment for 3 to 6 months for it to reach equilibrium with your home.. I will go into more depth I. A later video for sure. B
I would appreciate it if you did a few video's on kiln drying and other methods if you know any others. I am wanting to build my first guitar and I feel that I have acquired good knowledge from yours and others video's and a few books that I have read. I have just the other day was able to get an apple tree that my neighbor wanted down and I would like to how to dry it properly.
Thanks for sharing.
I still would love to see you build an acoustic guitar with your madness and free spirit thinking.
Hey David, I'm planning a small kiln and timber store at home and will film bits of that for sure and am also planning several different acoustics in the next few years.. B
I found that to be a very interesting video. Even though I'm not really a woodworker, I've often wished I was- wood is amazing stuff. That first piece of Wellingtonia is just gorgeous, and the price was a fair bit less than I would have guessed.
There'll be some beautiful guitars made with those pieces of timber.
there really will, and I was amazed at the price too.. I grabbed as much of it as I could as it is not likely to come up again like this any time soon.. you should get into woodworking, even in a small way, I find it makes my life so so much better. Thanks for watching. B
@@CrimsonCustomGuitars I did once make a custom body for one of my basses- three layers of mahogany, all cut out with a coping saw! The final result worked, so I used the spare body to make an electric 12 string with far too many switching possibilities.
Ok is there a part two on your storage and prep before you finally use the wood for your guitars? Would love to see how you store and maintain your storage. I worked for Martin years ago and I've seen their storage from the inside and would love to compare examples.
So Cool More about wood choice and grain direction.
Thinking about getting back into classical guitar building after 35 years break -my first attempt was not good, a learning experience- the back cracked! Cant see any classical guitar tonewoods here (have postponed watching full video till I have more time), but I’d appreciate any info on those lines, and also on humidity control in a single-brick garage/workshop!
Great video. It would be interesting to see how you process some of the wood you purchased, particularly the pieces with defects, for use as guitar bodies or necks.
Yes.. I will do this. B
That was some beautiful looking wood. The best part of starting any project is getting that perfect piece of wood !! Hell, I'm always picking up nice looking wood and then thinking of the next project !!
thanks Ben, I wish you could elaborate on what sizes you choose and why. Does size matter ?? I mean, is it mandatory to get a 2-2.5 inches thick board to make a body ? Is it even preferable ? or any size will do ? this can be true for bodies or any part, tops, necks, ... Are there any best practices to cut boards (which directions ?) and how to glue them to get something attractive and/or "structurally effective" ?
Hi there....I'm a woodworking machinist and my favourite wood was "paduuk" an awesome purplish hardwood slowly fading into sap wood. Would make an awesome guitar
I use it often.. though we spell it Padauk for some reason.. I wish it stayed that awesome red though, curse you UV light! B
Hey Ben, Great video as always. However: you are talking about how important it is to dry your wood, but I missed the most important piece of information: How dry it actually should be? When is it dry enough?
I would like to know about Maple and spruce for fiddle making. How about selecting tone woods?
Maple, or sycamore in the UK, can be sourced all over and as long as you get a good cut with the figure you want and no checks etc it will be fine.. make sure that it is very dry, preferably around 9% or so before you start. Spruce.. but the best piece you can afford from an accredited dealer.. it needs to be from the alps or a similar very high and cold location and perfectly quarter sawn with tight and even grain..
Whatever you do don't try and use standard quicker growth spruce, the grain is far too wide and it would be too weak, therefore would need to be left thicker to be structurally sound, and therefore therefore ;) it would sound even worse.. B
@@CrimsonCustomGuitars How hard is Sycamore to make a guitar neck compared to Canadian or American hard maple? I heard that is similar but a little softer.
All your wood buying adventures should be filmed - I'ts amazing to see what's out there and what could be used for a guitar beyond the usual mahogany/maple/ash etc.
I'd love to see something on using reclaimed wood - from 100 year old pubs being torn down or just someone's old house.
Gorgeous old floorboards as tops or even old tabletops re-used - and the pitfalls we may need to be aware of.
I have a few recycled timber places bookmarked to check out for my next build.
One has "project packs" of shorter lengths of wood
One question I have related to this video: What thicknesses of wood do you typically aim for when buying pre-dried stuff, with respect to necks, bodies, tops, fretboards, etc - i.e. how much post-purchase milling do you have to do/avoid when selecting various thicknesses?
Please make a more in depth video about propper drying/storing of guitar wood
Sure...show us more. Very interesting
Very nice video, sharing your passion. Thank you !
I would love to see another video talking about pre-cut boards usable for guitar building, like whether 6/4, 8/4, etc. are more suitable and what widths are needed to turn those into body and neck blanks since people who have an interest in guitar building might not have all of the woodworking machinery required to process down huge slabs like purchased in this video but still want to buy wood. Thickness planers and jointers are quite expensive and they seem necessary if buying raw chunks like this.
Very fascinating, I would love to learn more.
I'll be building a home timber store and small kiln one day soon and will film that and go into the whole thing in much greater depth. B
As they were delivering your wood, I thought, ...... I wonder if Ben can remember, all the wood that he's bought, and where it's located.
It seemed to be delivered into your woodstore in some haphazard way ! !
You need a bigger wood-store Ben, and a computerized means of location and identification !
YES, I want more on your timber searches, and possible uses for same !
Love the Vlog.
That was just.coming into the factory before the rain.. it was all processed down within a few days and is now in the timber store.. which is far too small, far far too small. We're not big enough for a proper inventory system quite yet but fingers crossed we will be in a few years. B
I want a guitar with a driftwood, that was once part of a beech house, type look.
I'm quite lucky that the local building supply center near my home has a great selection of kin dried exotic woods. I get Wenge, Purpleheart, figured Maple, and Jatoba from them frequently.
Good to learn theses type of woods 😃👌 drying of wood
I have a pile of wood that used to be my grandmothers piano. I am hoping it is good enough to extend it's musical life in the form of one or two T-style guitars.
Great video! Would love to see a further video covering some kiln drying techniques :-)
Coming soon, I need to build a small kiln at home and will film the process. B
@@CrimsonCustomGuitars Nice one Ben, thanks for the reply.
Cool woods. I'd love to see a guitar topped with the crazy ash.
Great video great contact! Although when describing wood movement. You flipped the percentages on radial and tangential movement.
Hi Ben, Thanks so much for this video. I would definitely love you to produce more videos on wood select, kiln-drying etc.I'm currently setting up my garage as a workshop and definitely need education on wood selection, drying etc.. Cheers from Brisbane, Australia.
I used to buy from John Boddy Timber in Boroughbridge. I can't believe they not only went out of business, but have been broken up in a fire sale. I honestly thought they'd be too viable and attractive an investment to not be bought out and continue under a new owner.
Hey thanks once again, the very things I didn't know yet before starting my first build and 2 biggest questions before even starting and they were 2 of the first videos I saw after stumbling across you just a bit ago. Glad I found ya your guitars are great! Skervesen, Aristides, mayones are amongst my favorites and what I saw so far glancing over just a few thumbnails it's safe to say your in that same league. I'm just becoming familiar with the non giant companies more recently though (last 2 years) and lots to discover still it seems. Only own a legator 7 string ninja and schecter c1 fr sustaniac model so fun at least lol those were both opportunistic purchases for 600 and 300 insane price for both and both new just 2017 models that sat schecter on the wall at guitar center was 600 and the legator some overstock place on eBay it sat new in box for 3 years so lucky there it's multi scale so less than a thousand us crazy. Anyways bc I want something multiscale and 8 string and custom I'm gonna try n make it. My wife will be away for 6 months soon like 2 weeks she was 65% of income and we got by with very small surplus typically so I'm super worried about maintaining the house got a lab and 4 cats counting on me too so want to channel that into something to battle the sadness of her being gone so long and the stress of having to make 200% my normal income to stay afloat lol sorry for rambling but very helpful guitars and kickboxing are the only times I'm not a mess ATM
thank you for all the tips very useful !!!
I love working with timber ...
I am often heard to exclaim the following after I realise that I get to 'play with wood' on a project :
'Wood is Good !' 😁
Good indeed 😃 B
That planed thick and wide piece of £34 Douglas Fur would probably cost at least £200 in a ‘normal’ large wood shop. But I reality not an issue because they wouldn't have any of it. Unfortunately these small speciality wood shops is not available where I live.
I play guitar, but have no interest in making them. However I find your content so interesting and informative I can't stop watching
Great vid Ben.................Very interesting stuff.
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching. B
Lol I'm going for oak now that u said it looks like "furniture". Laminated of course. Make only the neck from it. Another luthier said it was no good. So now I have to.
Really appreciate this video. Happy holidays. :)
Glad it was helpful! Have a great holiday. B
thank you Ben . this one put a whole new spin on woody for me
good 'timber' always has a special effect! B
Watching this makes me miss the whats on the bench. Can't wait for the world to get back to abit more normality. Hope you're all staying safe.
After you've checked moisture content & for rot or cracks, are you buying with creativity in mind? Or is it a combination or gut - feeling & numbers?
Start with equal parts creativity every time.. or at least know that with a pretty flamed piece of sycamore you can make pretty guitars, oftentimes even if there is rot or some sort of issue you can find something amazing to do with a piece of wood so, creativity and vision is key imo. B
Well, a friend of mine says to me years ago, that an electric guitar is a good bridge, good frets work, a straight neck, a good nut, good tuning pegs, of course good pickups and a good adjustment everywhere.. The rest is only a peace of wood.
It is always a learning process with you...liked before watching it❤️❤️❤️
Thank you so much 😀 B
Fascinating! I would like to see how the raw wood is taken to the stage before body/neck building! I’m sure there are a whole load of potential problems and pitfalls!
there are lots of things that can go wrong, and most of them happen really slowly :( The one that doesn't is putting a damp piece of wood in direct sunlight.. you can quickly cause checks and cracks and then will kick yourself! B
@@CrimsonCustomGuitars hope all is going well with you and the team, after this year of appalling horrors! 😋😋🍷🍷
More on drying please, I can't imagine why one would insulate a very well ventilated room. I always thought the goal was to slow down the drying so the whole piece drys with the center to avoid cracking. I don't think there is a lumber yard like that within a thousand mile of me, where i live everything you bought would have gone for firewood.
Really interesting and useful! And the timber looks stunning.
We had a really lucky day, a normal buying trip doesn't often yield this much stunning wood.. trust me we are going back to Tyler Harwood again, and again! B