THEMOVE: 2023 Tour of Flanders
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ก.ย. 2024
- Johan and George break down this year’s Tour of Flanders, from Flanders! They take us play-by-play through how the race unfolded and discuss the battle of “The Big Three”, Tadej Pogacar, Mathieu van der Poel, and Wout Van Aert.
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I've never seen GH so animated and passionate. He made the most of his chance to demonstrate his vast race experience and knowledge with Johan!
I can’t be the only one that, while loving GH and JB two up, thought maybe GH had had a couple too many belgian ales (but only slightly) prior to recording. I mean it would help explain his frequent “talkovers” of Johan. All the same, great stuff. Wish I had the 💰 💰 for a trip to Belgium with those guys!
Lance needs to stay on the golf course more often.. haha
He was so passionate because he was there. Anthony go and feel the vibe. It’s worth it.😊
@@johnmoreels610 Absolutely. It's one of my big goals for '24!
Great episode. I really like this format with George being more vocal. The conversation flowed much better. Johan spoke like they were at the dinner table. No dumbing down the conversation. For the first time I heard two very experienced ex pros have a great conversation without holding back and it had a great flow. Im not sure but I think George was a little buzzed but it really worked . Probably not being individually remote and in the same room had a lot to do with the flow.
Great job, guys. Great insight. George did this race 17 times, holy crap, that's impressive.
Since George has done so many of these races, it would be nice if he shared some stories of his experiences. I'm sure he's seen some crazy stuff.
You think he would have won one....
Gentlemen thank you! The “living room” feel of the presentation was sensational. Ride to the level of your smile.
Met George in 2014 at the World Championships and he was a very gracious and solid guy. Their love of cycling is infectious.
This format of the show was really good. I hope we''ll see this again.
sir hincapie really is a gentleman, and great dynamic with johan kudos!!
Van der Poel was actually pretty accepting of his second place. Said he had a great day but Pogacar was just stronger.
Tadej is a total beast!! That was a nail biter from start to finish!! 👍🏻🚵
George is elevated! And you can't blame him. What a race, what a trip down memory lane for him. Lance should have been there
Good Lance wasn't there... we got to see how much Flanders means to George.
He's drunk!!!!
Agree
Kinda nice not to have Lance interrupt all the time, for once.
I think it’s such a treat to have you both only to talk about this epic day 😊 no offense to Lance and J.B. 😂
Nobody does as good of a show as you guys! The perspectives are so real and insightful! I love it!
Tade was so pissed he lost the TDF last year....he is on a mission to prove to everyone...who exactly is the best.... He is on his way....
SeattleMarko - you two are just amazing, your passion and excitement on the day is just so fantastic to witness, thank you.
George gives great insight when he's allowed to speak. I loved this 2-man episode.
Great show you guys!!! Love the excitement and play by play
Fantastic race !
MvdP was clear it was his fault napping but that it did take no effort for him as he had 3 team mates pulling him back.. SKA was not feeling well so he took early support duties
Greatest podcast ever from WEDU. Keep this line up for the tour!
Great episode guys!!
Great episode, better than the normal WEDU group. The two best race analysts on WEDU talking one on one. Way less fluff and more good convo. More like these please!
Fantastic recap of an incredible race! So so solid insights.
Great show guys. Contents wise. Setting wise - try not to use the LED light in the background due to flicking. Or use ND filter and longer shutter on your camera. But even better, use light from the same direction as the camera to avoid shadow on George’s face, same as with Johan who was properly lit (maybe a bit too strong even).
You guys are awesome!! KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK 🫵🏻👍🏻
The drone following Pog up the Kwaremont surrounded by 1000's of fans and VIP tents was amazing television
This is the best edition of the move I have seen!
I love this channel and all of u, Lance, George,bruynell, etc. What a show Pogadcar
Love these guys!!!
30:00 pogacar led into the Kruisberg, flicked the elbow and there was a hesitation from Wout to take the front... MVDP must have seen it or felt that the pace was slowing down, so when Wout had finished his pull, MVDP jumped from behind instead of rotating through.
Now that you mentioned it, I remember. Good catch!
Mads Peterson interview at finish line was awesome...... you guys should watch
Excelente trabajo y video gracias por compartir tu gran experiencia desde costa Rica maestro
Thanks guys. Old racer here,
Great show!!!!
Great commentary! I just hope Pogacar and the other two are clean. If so, Pogacar may be on his way to attaining Eddy Merckx levels of achievement, especially being so young. Again, really great commentary on this race. You guys (and the racers) are making me start to really love the classics
No disrespect…. But do you believe in Santa clause .??
These guys and girls are all on the gear. Don’t be
Naive.
I’m sure they cleaned up with a shower afterwards.
But the whole scene is doped. Too much money in professional sports not to.
These guys are entertainers. Just enjoy the show.
Coz Merckx was totally clean?!? it’s a level playing field so what’s the difference.
@@rockhopper01 I find it really sad that since the dope scandals of the late 90's and early 2000's that cynicism is so rampant among cycling fans regarding doping. I get it, with the history of Festina and the later LA scandals. But if the resulting anti-doping institutions are considered a joke, what makes watching pro-cycling events any different from watching wrestling or bodybuilding? For that matter, it must be the case that major sports like football, basketball, and baseball are all just doper contests.
@@curtvaughan2836 The difference is that wrestling is scripted and cycling and other sports still involves skill and fortune. No need to ask absurd questions.
Johan, Matteo Jorgenson finished 9th at Flanders. Two Americans finished in the top 10.
I dont understand Johan... He is just talking what could MvP or WVA do... what are their mistakes, legs, sleeping, menstruation, etc. Bro Pogacar just did the greatest show in racing in years. Maybe only Sagan was doing this before in recent history. Go cry me a river
Van der poel coul have this on the bag, he was caught 2 times sleeping in the back, burned his team, he should have man mark pogacar, when pogacar first attack mvp and van aert was a little behind so more 15 seconds in red line to catch pogacar. This little details sum up makes difference. And van der poel attack was nice but costly him in last climb. Gg for pogacar.
I hope Tadej is in peak condition for the Tour de France so he can get some revenge. I hope he does not burn out. Look at Jonas, he only cares about Tour de France and only focuses on reaching his Peak for it. But honestly i believe Tadej was not healthy in last year tour and did not have teammates on those
Important stages.
George has raced all around the world, but I think he is at home in Flanders
Love listening to these guys who played important roles in 7 tdf wins.
Love watching this sport, and then these amazing analysis shows! Mostly I watch wedu and chris horner, i find both such fun and entertaining shows.
I wonder who was gonna be the guest, the one who didn't make it..
These 2 could have their own podcast.
Good show! On the disqualification, I now believe any rider or riders who can be shown (thru video) to have "Caused a Collision" should be DQ'd. Its not a matter of breaking a specific rule or a judgement of intent, it is solely about rider safety. Similar to F1, cycling needs to begin to hold riders accountable for poor judgement, regardless of injury or impact on the race.
The crash was a result of riding on the foot path, so he was DQ’d
If he didn’t crash, nothing.
It’s pretty fair.
In real life if somebody drives his car 200km/h and nothing happens vs same speed, big crash, injured people. There are different penaltys. Rider also must understand risk of his action.
Crazy to think pogacar could become dominant in classics too..
The funny thing is that Mathieu himself said that he had not suffered anything extra due to that 20 km chase. Of course, he did admit it did in the rest of his team for the final.
Where is LA?
Why are the microphones set up that way?
Gold
46:03 Let me guess, that special special guest will be... Jan Ullrich?! That would be awesome
I hope one day we will see TDF with all the giants(Pog, Rog, Remco, Jonas, in shape Bernal etc).🙏
MVDP did not panic and didnt lost energy at the start hè said
Bruyneel is wrong with regards to the fact that earlier in the race "nothing went wrong for WvA": Wout was also one of the casualties of he crash caused by that Kamikaze Pole from Bahrain... WvA had a knee wound which was visibly bleeding. Whether this detrracted from his power levels we'll never know...
A crash that bad always affects how you ride afterwards.. impossible not to
Iam going with you guys on top of Mont Ventoux.
"Whats his name again..uhm..the guy...........pogacar, yes, poagacar."
JB 2023
30:30 van Aert also crashed in the big crash, had a lot of blood on his knee
The guy crashes 1/2 of the field through stupidity, while he is not affected at all, and you don't think he deserves to be DQ'd??? He was NOT pushed off, he ran into mud by being where he wasn't supposed to be.
Sorry but I disagree, he should have been DQ'd.
Jim he was dq'ed. He actually unclipped on his own and you could tell he felt like shit for doing what he did. But at this race you use every single mm if you have to. Sucks for him and all of the guys he took out.
Didn’t VanAert get caught up in the huge crash? Wouldn’t that account for his form being off?
Seems like George is drunk :)
Let him get loose.
@counselthyself Good one! Im probably the only one that gets the joke.
Great show super insight guys…. Lance is going to be pissed off he missed all the action
After all …..first and foremost he’s a bike racer
Johan needs to get on the friggin bike...he is poppin out of self...
I've heard rumours that George has done Flanders 17 times but not sure if they have been corroborated 😅
Lots of commercials
Ugh
EPO 📍
Bier!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Bier!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Bier!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Girmay injury report?
Wva ‘had no probs’
Wva crashed twice today !
Wow
He was in the big crash caused by Maciejuk indeed.
@@aua6330 Yes and his knee obviously took a hit as his leg was covered in blood. After the race he said it didn't bother him too much but on this level, the slightest discomfort can make the difference in being able to stay with those two other guys or not. I don't think he could have matched Poga, but without that crash, I think it's between him and MVDP for the 2nd spot
@@aua6330 that is one crash we saw. But two other channels report Wva had two crashes Flanders 2023
is george buzzed?
Bummer that Lance is not on the show!
Primo Supremo!
Johan is the best
I'd kinda like to see Pog skip the Tour one year. San Remo, Paris Roubaix then the Veulta! My thinking is that he'd want to be a couple of kgs heavier for Roubaix and take the extra time before the Vuelta to lean down. No reason that kid can't win all 5 monuments and all 3 GTs
Pogacar can surpass merckx in number of monuments won.
Pogacar can win 7 lombardia, approx 7 San remo merckx
My guess is that George has enjoyed an adult beverage or two.
Faster times than the times set when guys were so doped they actually glowed in the dark.... YOU THINK THEY ARE CLEAN???
"This happens a thousand times a day". This same argument is what creates a lot of problems in this world. Just because something is not punished, although it states in the rules that you are not allowed to use the side of the road to advance positions and it happens all the time does not mean it is not good to disqualify somebody. Just like saying hey everybody on this highway speeds, it happens all the time, so now this person has caused a crash we should not punish him or her. It happens all the time! That is insane! You should ask the UCI why it is not always punished? That should be the right conclusion. Well, my answer is that the UCI is notorious for not applying its own rules or do it consistently.
Wout was cought in a crash and had to chase back to the front
Throw NoLanceException. Well, I guess as Lance once said himself at the start of Flanders: "It is only for strong men". ;-)
Big fan of Lance but less Lance means more Johan. Now choose.
About time your group is treated with respect....such a BS witch hunt - great work from a team of really great pros.
9 JORGENSON Matteo
The big 3 and the kid 🤣🤣
George, no you cannot take bike paths, sidewalks etc...those been off limits in bike racing here for years already and plenty of riders got fined for doing so
I don't think Pog can win PR. I think he needs climbs.
I honestly think he gets all 5 monuments and all 3 GT's its attrition he needs and roubaix provides it issue will be weight and race schedule he will have to be heavy and be a year where he maybe targets spring , vuelta and worlds maybe. Its like a boxing match that goes 12 rounds as opposed to 15 with the extra distance of flanders is no wonder race played out so different to much shorter prelude of E3 where he couldn't get away on climbs look at the difference made on final ascents thats just torque just like pave provides. Look what he did in tour cobbled stage last year and that was while targeting GC as light as possible while mantaining power and he smoked everyone but stuyven in theory every guy going for green should be minutes ahead. Took wout targeting green to drag rest of field back towards him and that wasnt a 6:30 hour day with 5 star sectors of pave.
I honestly think MSR is ironically going to be one that will be most elusive despite being easiest to make final selection and one he probably races every year he said so himself after race today. Its a lottery or counter punchers/puncheurs race its long but not selective or attritional enough for him to make poggio and cipressa decisive, its a race gilbert and sagan were built for and neither won that tells you all you need to know. He wins GC and monuments for a reason best endurance and legs in generations ....he is first to win flanders and tour in 50 years and only 3 ever. He will try so we will see:)
MvdP was not napping. It's how he races Flanders. Hard to serious critique a rider who's always in the top 3. The 30 sec. in the beginning was nothing. Didn't impact anything. Kragh Andersen had bad legs, had been sick.
first!
We can see that Belgian juries will let Belgians break rules and DSQ other riders when DSQ isn't justified
2024 Flanders, for wva to win, he cannot surpass pogacar in strength, jumbo needs roglic in the race too
Jesus when do they just talk about the fkn race
Half of the review is adds and George t alking about his travel stuff. Guy, it is not relevant at all, we are not interested.
Alpecin is not good enough a team for MVP huge missmatch. Any other rider in that team never wins
Jasper Philipson is the best sprinter in the top sprinter
not true
How could they afford anyone else?
Pog is a little girl...not a fan!!
Well Travis, that little girl sure wears some pretty big britches and has the utmost respect from the ENTIRE CYCLING WORLD.
He'll be shaving soon
@@blaketart496 Opinions vary..BIG DEAL!!
Did little girl hurt your feelings
Such a Great show George and Johan!!
Yall really make you feel like listeners are there.
I used to be just a TDF fan until The Move many years ago. Always look forward to all the shows.
🚵🥵💯😊