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I found 2 mistakes first is an Ottoman general Kazım Karabekir didn't expelled his army and defeated armenia with his army and singed Gümrü Agreement second is turks had started a revolution on Çukurova (around Adana)before french fall back
Mustafa kemal was a hero as he portrayed he created a new modern and free country gave rights to the women did incredible revolutions saved the country from enemy forces builded factories basically he took a old tired and useless empire and turn it into young modern and free republic. The people who are trying to disrespect him wouldn't say their thoughts aloud or live free without an enemy force or maybe they wouldn't know how to read and wright without his revolutions they don't know a shit and they stand for an empire who can leave his country in an british ship at night.
@Yusuf Isa the country which has found by Atatürk was an independent country which is starting a national economy, education ect. ı don't support military coups they are slaps in the face to the democracies
@Yusuf Isa ı know there were a few rights of women before him who cares a few women could use those rights while a lot of women were second third or fouth wife of a man and they can't even divorce their husband btw the men could vote in ottoman empire when it was constitutional monarchy you dumbass a few women in the big families could get education and they couldn't work except a few job that society sees appropiate i think you should stop learning history from kadir mısırlıoğlu
Let me give you all some clearance, since I see some misinformation in the comments section: The Ottoman Empire signed the Ceasefire of Mondros, backing out of the war. Bottom line: They’ve lost the war. The Ottoman Empire at the time had the sultan, as well as a council and a parliament, meaning the sultan didn’t have the right to sign a peace treaty without the consent of them. The council assembled in a secret meeting, which resulted in the publication of a document known as “Misak-ı Millî,” which declared the borders of the nation. It stated that all Turkish people were to fight until the allies conceded to their demand. When the allied forced found out, as Istanbul (or Constatiniyye at that time) was under occupation(not formally), they abolished the council, arresting officials. But later, when the Treaty of Sèvres was offered, it was signed by the sultan but as he had no right to without the consent of the council, it was invalid. While all this was happening, the representative committee was formed, led by Mustafa Kemal. Their goal was to achieve Misak-ı Millî. After a tremendous amount of work, the committee formed into the BMM, or the National Assembly based on Ankara. Numerous battles happened, but after the battle of Sakarya and the Assault of Izmir, a ceasefire was signed in Mudanya, ending the military phase of the war. Later, the British invited the Sultan to the peace talks and not the Assembly, which resulted in the Assembly removing the sultanate, thus ending the Ottoman Empire. (Note that caliphate was removed only after the war because it could damage the unity of the nation, which would've been a catastrophe at such a time.) A lot happens at the peace talks, but in the end, the assembly mostly achieves her goal: They get all of Misak-ı Millî except Mosul and Hatay(aka Antakya, which joined the Turkish nation, in 1939). After the treaty of Lausanne, the assembly declared the Turkish nation a republic, and Ataturk became the first president. Note that Batumi was handed to Russians when the committee made peace with Armenia, wasn't compromised in Lausanne. To conclude, Turkey didn’t exist while WWI was happening, therefore making it impossible for her to win it. Turkey didn't lose half the middle east, the Ottomans did. The Treaty of Lausanne was not a rout, but a gain for the Turkish people considering the Sèvres. Lausanne isn't a post-WWI treaty, it is the result of another war thus making it wrong to put it against Versailles or Saint-Germain-en-Laye. Galippoli was only a front of a bigger war, not like in Turkish where we say "The War of Galippoli". Ataturk did not sell land off to anyone. There were compromises regarding Mosul, sure, but that is the basis of diplomacy, how else could we expect to come to a mutual agreement? The Syrian and the Iranian lands were long lost before the treaty, so no, you do not have the right to blame Ataturk for that. Ataturk acted reasonable, and he acted towards Misak-ı Millî. * PS. This is only a superficial explanation, a lot happened between the points that I couldn't explain. PPS. I can understand is someone wasn't to like Ataturk, you have the right to your opinion; but please, just please have some respect. And have some historical empathy (don't judge his decisions with today's standards), he did the best he can.
he literally did that did not took money from tresure and did not took jeverly he only took medallions given to him personally later he learned they were fake diamons on them while he tried to sell them his funreal was seizured by a french baker and could not be buried for a period
For some reasons many people asked why Mustafa Kemal could secularize Turkey but the House of Pahlavi can't secularize Iran.The answer is much simpler: Mustafa Kemal and his Turkish Nationalists seized the power by defeating the West invaders with limited external support; the House of Pahlavi seized the power with the external help against its own Prime Minister Mossadeq. The government that won the war by itself against external enemy will have much leverage than the one that didn't win the war by itself.
I am here to explain a few things First we don’t say that the all Greeks or greek commanders were they were some commanders that had loved ataturk s ideas so much that Greece was the first nation to push for Turkish entry to United Nations Later turkey had a pact with the balkans in case of a invasion which collapsed after Yugoslavia left
They abandoned İstanbul because they knew what is coming to them, things which will remind them of Gallipoli Campaign (Çanakkale Savaşı)!! Atatürk did great!!
Its important to note that population exchange didn't effect Greeks in Istanbul and Turks in thrace. There is approximately 100.000 Muslim Turks in thrace today. But there isn't a proper Greek presence in Turkey since there were many attacks on non-muslim communities all over turkey. Especially in the 50s. This forced the minorities to migrate.
Yusuf Isa First of all Ataturk did not give himself the name of Ataturk. It was given to him. When the surname law came out many historians came together to find a proper surname for Ataturk. They initially decided on “Türkata” but then Naim Hazim a Turkish teacher worked in Turkish Language Association thought “Türkata” sounded strange. And he proposed “Atatürk” which stands for Father of Turks and the Turkish Parliament granted him the surname Atatürk in 1934. On the topic of literacy education viewed as one of the most important cause of regression in the Ottoman Empire and made a series of innovations in this field at the 19 and 20th century. So Ataturk in fact made many developments to science, education, literacy for a better Turkey and saying literacy rate went down due to him is just foolish.
@Yusuf Isa it's funny. 88 years past of his death but you clearly can feel the butthurt. He fought the enemies but the most important, he fought against ignorence. Your foolish ideas died with your grandfathers, you are just a reflection and the reforms that ATATURK gave us eventually wipe out the ignorent ,over-religous people like you. It is sad that when someone admires him you still jelaous and ashamed the modern turkey today. Yallah arabistana!
Yusuf Isa You must be really on something first of all how can you say Erdogan has made Turkey less poverty when 1 US dollar almost equals to 6 Turkish liras. I don’t know if you have ever been to Turkey but people are literally trying to survive. Do some fucking research the country is in a shithole because of him
Almost all of the turks love Ataturk. But yusuf isa is not, because he is radical islamist I'm sure of that. Even erdogan doesn't say anything bad about Ataturk but these guys are crazy.
I bet he does. Erdogan won't last long now. he'd either die, Turkey would get in a war or he will get couped by the mighty Turkish military's true soldiers.
My family is fully ethnic greek but we never left Turkey during the population exchange mostly because we were muslim, My great grandfather served Ataturk on numerous occasions during the war of Independence and even was a Parliamentarian on his party If the story of Ataturk himself happend a few thousand years early People would have called him a god among men, he was truly the greatest
Yea the population exchange was more religious than ethnic based, Orthodox Christians were moved to Greece even if they spoke Turkish, as were Balkan Muslims moved to Turkey even if they were Greek or Slavic
@TheExplorer but it had to happen, And it worked see it this way nobody in Turkey is claiming that a portion of Turkey should be a greek state, and nobody in greece is claiming they should be a turkish state The seperation was neccesary to avoid future conflict with any ideological/religious form. and in that aspect its successful
@@islamisthetruth3402 No the population exchange came much later, Those ethnicities in the east were relocated to iraq and syria the one int he western part of Turkey did not move there because there never was a order to move those populations since they were not a threat, Also the ''Armenian genocide'' never happend
@@gllmll7227 fransa bizim tarafımızda değildi hatta fransızlarla fiziki olarak savaştık. italyanlar da bizim tarafımızda değildi ama onlarla savaşmadık.
So the Ottoman Empire surrendered. The Allies occupied parts of the Turkish mainland. So they small piece unoccupied was still called the Ottoman Empire?
@Yusuf Isa that was already under british and french occupation by the time ataturk raised an army. he settled with those borders because he didnt want britian to get fully involved in the war
@Yusuf Isa can you give a link because I know by the end of ww1 british forces were pushing to aleppo and were through half of iraq. i cant imagine that the ottomans held it while negotiating treaty of Sevres, cedeing it to france and britain, then during a defacto civil war
@@nouser6541 These guys are all around Turkey. They talk too much and know nothing. They are radical islamists they hate Atatürk because he canceled the islamic monarchy. don't listen to them they just tell dumb things and their words are probably not real.
@Yusuf Isa i did answer to your question i said no you didn't lose at galipoli but you lost the war yes you did lose iraq and syria france and uk took them you lost half the territory of your empire after ww1 therefore you lost the war
@Yusuf Isa When Did the Ottoman Empire Fall? At the start of World War I, the Ottoman Empire was already in decline. The Ottoman Turks entered the war in 1914 on the side of the Central Powers (including Germany and Austria-Hungary) and were defeated in 1918. Under a treaty agreement, most Ottoman territories were divided between Britain, France, Greece and Russia. france and britain took iraq and syria before lausanne
In Greece we don't like Atatürk not because we lost the war, but because he took part in the Greek genocide. The war was already lost since Venizelos left.
You totally burn all the smyrna and killed, raped and tortured our people and now trying to say that the dead of pontic rebels who tried to kill laz and turkish people lived in there was a genocide? Your nationalism is the worst kind of it. Lie about humiliations that happened the opposite of it in reality and try to demonize us for turkophobia. The armenians did it and they won, and you will won too. But, is it really your want? Using English propoganda tactics even while we're living the peaceful era of uncle sam?
It should be said: The Atrocities committed by the Turks are universally (Outside of Turkey) considered to have been significant worse than the atrocities committed by the Greeks or other groups.
@Yusuf Isa Just because the west has traitors in it's midst dies not mean those of us loyal to our faith and our people have to abandon what is rightfully ours
@Yusuf Isa I'm not denying that, but first of all it was still the middle ages, not exactly known for its high standards of living, secondly just because the city had suffered under the Byzantines doesn't mean they were responsible for its conditions that can mostly be attributed to Byzantium's enemies, thirdly even if the Byzantines were directly responsible for the city's downfall, it still belongs to the Byzantine people (modern day Greeks) as well as the rest of Christendom
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Plus, couple mistakes with the maps, like Lesbos should be Greek and Hatay joined Turkey later.
now it is here
I found 2 mistakes first is an Ottoman general Kazım Karabekir didn't expelled his army and defeated armenia with his army and singed Gümrü Agreement second is turks had started a revolution on Çukurova (around Adana)before french fall back
Ironic for the Turks to fight a war of independence lmao
2:10 small mistake, Hatay was gained by Turkey later in 30s after holding a referendum there.
Yeah sorry, added that to the pinned comment. Made a couple mistakes with the maps this time
Jabzy i cant see a pinned comment
@@konplayz Should be top comment. Under the link
Referendum!? Lol
Jabzy Still isn’t there
Interesting how the Ottoman Empire lost the war (WW1) and Turkey won it (War of Independence).
@Yusuf Isa interesting
Mustafa kemal was a hero as he portrayed he created a new modern and free country gave rights to the women did incredible revolutions saved the country from enemy forces builded factories basically he took a old tired and useless empire and turn it into young modern and free republic. The people who are trying to disrespect him wouldn't say their thoughts aloud or live free without an enemy force or maybe they wouldn't know how to read and wright without his revolutions they don't know a shit and they stand for an empire who can leave his country in an british ship at night.
@Yusuf Isa the country which has found by Atatürk was an independent country which is starting a national economy, education ect. ı don't support military coups they are slaps in the face to the democracies
@Yusuf Isa ı know there were a few rights of women before him who cares a few women could use those rights while a lot of women were second third or fouth wife of a man and they can't even divorce their husband btw the men could vote in ottoman empire when it was constitutional monarchy you dumbass a few women in the big families could get education and they couldn't work except a few job that society sees appropiate i think you should stop learning history from kadir mısırlıoğlu
@Yusuf Isa ı mean in the OTTOMAN AGE DONT TRY TO MANIPULATE THE CONVERSATION
Except Turkey,Turkey makes a brand new Turkey!
Bill Wurtz...
Let me give you all some clearance, since I see some misinformation in the comments section:
The Ottoman Empire signed the Ceasefire of Mondros, backing out of the war. Bottom line: They’ve lost the war.
The Ottoman Empire at the time had the sultan, as well as a council and a parliament, meaning the sultan didn’t have the right to sign a peace treaty without the consent of them.
The council assembled in a secret meeting, which resulted in the publication of a document known as “Misak-ı Millî,” which declared the borders of the nation. It stated that all Turkish people were to fight until the allies conceded to their demand.
When the allied forced found out, as Istanbul (or Constatiniyye at that time) was under occupation(not formally), they abolished the council, arresting officials.
But later, when the Treaty of Sèvres was offered, it was signed by the sultan but as he had no right to without the consent of the council, it was invalid.
While all this was happening, the representative committee was formed, led by Mustafa Kemal. Their goal was to achieve Misak-ı Millî. After a tremendous amount of work, the committee formed into the BMM, or the National Assembly based on Ankara. Numerous battles happened, but after the battle of Sakarya and the Assault of Izmir, a ceasefire was signed in Mudanya, ending the military phase of the war. Later, the British invited the Sultan to the peace talks and not the Assembly, which resulted in the Assembly removing the sultanate, thus ending the Ottoman Empire. (Note that caliphate was removed only after the war because it could damage the unity of the nation, which would've been a catastrophe at such a time.)
A lot happens at the peace talks, but in the end, the assembly mostly achieves her goal: They get all of Misak-ı Millî except Mosul and Hatay(aka Antakya, which joined the Turkish nation, in 1939). After the treaty of Lausanne, the assembly declared the Turkish nation a republic, and Ataturk became the first president.
Note that Batumi was handed to Russians when the committee made peace with Armenia, wasn't compromised in Lausanne.
To conclude,
Turkey didn’t exist while WWI was happening, therefore making it impossible for her to win it.
Turkey didn't lose half the middle east, the Ottomans did.
The Treaty of Lausanne was not a rout, but a gain for the Turkish people considering the Sèvres.
Lausanne isn't a post-WWI treaty, it is the result of another war thus making it wrong to put it against Versailles or Saint-Germain-en-Laye.
Galippoli was only a front of a bigger war, not like in Turkish where we say "The War of Galippoli".
Ataturk did not sell land off to anyone. There were compromises regarding Mosul, sure, but that is the basis of diplomacy, how else could we expect to come to a mutual agreement?
The Syrian and the Iranian lands were long lost before the treaty, so no, you do not have the right to blame Ataturk for that. Ataturk acted reasonable, and he acted towards Misak-ı Millî.
*
PS. This is only a superficial explanation, a lot happened between the points that I couldn't explain.
PPS. I can understand is someone wasn't to like Ataturk, you have the right to your opinion; but please, just please have some respect. And have some historical empathy (don't judge his decisions with today's standards), he did the best he can.
so Attaturk didn't 'sold' Batumi to Russian?
Man i aint readin all that
I love the image of the sultan leaving with a bindle.
he literally did that did not took money from tresure and did not took jeverly he only took medallions given to him personally later he learned they were fake diamons on them while he tried to sell them his funreal was seizured by a french baker and could not be buried for a period
@@kerimozdemir4009 dear kerim as a turk (bende türküm)learn some English spelling pls
Yeah not bad
@@sabribeser2268 no
@@sabribeser2268 Can you stop being a dick about it?
For some reasons many people asked why Mustafa Kemal could secularize Turkey but the House of Pahlavi can't secularize Iran.The answer is much simpler: Mustafa Kemal and his Turkish Nationalists seized the power by defeating the West invaders with limited external support; the House of Pahlavi seized the power with the external help against its own Prime Minister Mossadeq.
The government that won the war by itself against external enemy will have much leverage than the one that didn't win the war by itself.
Wow, thank youuu. I never knew this part of Turk history and Atatürk's importance. Greetings from Colombia:)
Tomás Beltrán you are wonderful stay how you are even so much Turks don’t know how important the man is😔
*Yusuf İsa starts to rage visibly*
@@tytyeeeeeeeeee LOL
@@tytyeeeeeeeeee Thats relatable
As a Turk this means a lot to us
I am here to explain a few things
First we don’t say that the all Greeks or greek commanders were they were some commanders that had loved ataturk s ideas so much that Greece was the first nation to push for Turkish entry to United Nations
Later turkey had a pact with the balkans in case of a invasion which collapsed after Yugoslavia left
Yusuf Isa ur brain is a myth too
Yusuf Isa lmao you must be high or something
You guys did a great job defending your country against so many people, Turks are real fighters.
@@harunbaydal6719 or he is just a turk that doesnt live in Turkey
Jabzy! The man the myth the legend!
They abandoned İstanbul because they knew what is coming to them, things which will remind them of Gallipoli Campaign (Çanakkale Savaşı)!! Atatürk did great!!
Its important to note that population exchange didn't effect Greeks in Istanbul and Turks in thrace. There is approximately 100.000 Muslim Turks in thrace today. But there isn't a proper Greek presence in Turkey since there were many attacks on non-muslim communities all over turkey. Especially in the 50s. This forced the minorities to migrate.
the attacks happened in the 50s. check the 6 7 september events
@@id-f8679 you are right. i'll fix that.
Atatürk, a unique man who make turkey from the ashes and still, in the schools don't teach his history. greetings from a argentine fan of Atatürk
Yusuf Isa First of all Ataturk did not give himself the name of Ataturk. It was given to him. When the surname law came out many historians came together to find a proper surname for Ataturk. They initially decided on “Türkata” but then Naim Hazim a Turkish teacher worked in Turkish Language Association thought “Türkata” sounded strange. And he proposed “Atatürk” which stands for Father of Turks and the Turkish Parliament granted him the surname Atatürk in 1934. On the topic of literacy education viewed as one of the most important cause of regression in the Ottoman Empire and made a series of innovations in this field at the 19 and 20th century. So Ataturk in fact made many developments to science, education, literacy for a better Turkey and saying literacy rate went down due to him is just foolish.
@Yusuf Isa it's funny. 88 years past of his death but you clearly can feel the butthurt. He fought the enemies but the most important, he fought against ignorence. Your foolish ideas died with your grandfathers, you are just a reflection and the reforms that ATATURK gave us eventually wipe out the ignorent ,over-religous people like you. It is sad that when someone admires him you still jelaous and ashamed the modern turkey today. Yallah arabistana!
@Yusuf Isa Bro why are you crying over ataturk, the guy that saved turkey?
@Yusuf Isa kes lan terorist
@Yusuf IsaYou are just sad
I have no doubt that Ataturk is spinning in his grave like a freaking beyblade watching Edorgan destroy the secular republic he fought to build.
A lot more spinning left for him in hell
Yusuf Isa You must be really on something first of all how can you say Erdogan has made Turkey less poverty when 1 US dollar almost equals to 6 Turkish liras. I don’t know if you have ever been to Turkey but people are literally trying to survive. Do some fucking research the country is in a shithole because of him
Almost all of the turks love Ataturk. But yusuf isa is not, because he is radical islamist I'm sure of that. Even erdogan doesn't say anything bad about Ataturk but these guys are crazy.
I bet he does. Erdogan won't last long now. he'd either die, Turkey would get in a war or he will get couped by the mighty Turkish military's true soldiers.
@Yusuf Isa "True" soldiers. Not terrorists.
Missed your content. 😀
2:15 that map is actually a bit incorrect. (I know it's a simplified version, buuuut) Antakya was French.
Until 1939
not war of independence. This war is war of liberation
My family is fully ethnic greek but we never left Turkey during the population exchange mostly because we were muslim, My great grandfather served Ataturk on numerous occasions during the war of Independence and even was a Parliamentarian on his party
If the story of Ataturk himself happend a few thousand years early People would have called him a god among men, he was truly the greatest
Yea the population exchange was more religious than ethnic based, Orthodox Christians were moved to Greece even if they spoke Turkish, as were Balkan Muslims moved to Turkey even if they were Greek or Slavic
@TheExplorer but it had to happen, And it worked see it this way nobody in Turkey is claiming that a portion of Turkey should be a greek state, and nobody in greece is claiming they should be a turkish state
The seperation was neccesary to avoid future conflict with any ideological/religious form. and in that aspect its successful
@@islamisthetruth3402 No the population exchange came much later, Those ethnicities in the east were relocated to iraq and syria the one int he western part of Turkey did not move there because there never was a order to move those populations since they were not a threat, Also the ''Armenian genocide'' never happend
Asmoh many many Armenians moved to Greece
@Metsarebuff 22 Yea that's true, this was the policy for the vast majority of the Greek Orthodox community, regardless if they spoke Greek or Turkish
Vow, you remade our war!!! Respect.
🇹🇷 vs 🇦🇲🇬🇷🇬🇧🇫🇷🇬🇪🇮🇹. And Turks win 💪🏻
@@gllmll7227 fransa bizim tarafımızda değildi hatta fransızlarla fiziki olarak savaştık. italyanlar da bizim tarafımızda değildi ama onlarla savaşmadık.
@@gllmll7227 kaynağın varsa paylaşır mısın
@@gllmll7227 sağol
Dude wtf is Georgia doing there?
🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹
Loved the video, do you have the sources?
Russia did not just send those weapons, Turks bought them.
Exactly
We gave them a province
@@I.58.I which
@@kasadam85 I forgot
@@kasadam85 Batum but dont know the english name
So the Ottoman Empire surrendered. The Allies occupied parts of the Turkish mainland. So they small piece unoccupied was still called the Ottoman Empire?
Since the treaty of sevres wasnt ratified by the allied forces parliments whole turkey was ottoman empire until october 1923
2:07 that isnt the border that they agreed on. turkey didn't get that chunk of syrian coast until 1939
@Yusuf Isa that was already under british and french occupation by the time ataturk raised an army. he settled with those borders because he didnt want britian to get fully involved in the war
@Yusuf Isa can you give a link because I know by the end of ww1 british forces were pushing to aleppo and were through half of iraq. i cant imagine that the ottomans held it while negotiating treaty of Sevres, cedeing it to france and britain, then during a defacto civil war
@@nouser6541 Nah don't listen to that guy, he probably knows nothing about history.
@@nouser6541 These guys are all around Turkey. They talk too much and know nothing. They are radical islamists they hate Atatürk because he canceled the islamic monarchy.
don't listen to them they just tell dumb things and their words are probably not real.
Congrats on the sponsor, jabzy.
it is "War of National Liberation"
Ty. I found very little about this war. Most people Just Show the borders before and after then skip
Sovereignty is not given, it is taken.
Kemâl Atatürk
So this technically means Turkey won WWI lmao
how did they win while they lost most of the middle east??
they just weren't completly whiped out
thats not a victory
@Yusuf Isa no but you still lost the war
when a country loses half of its territory it means it lost its as simple as that
@Yusuf Isa i did answer to your question
i said no you didn't lose at galipoli but you lost the war
yes you did lose iraq and syria
france and uk took them
you lost half the territory of your empire after ww1 therefore you lost the war
@Yusuf Isa When Did the Ottoman Empire Fall?
At the start of World War I, the Ottoman Empire was already in decline. The Ottoman Turks entered the war in 1914 on the side of the Central Powers (including Germany and Austria-Hungary) and were defeated in 1918.
Under a treaty agreement, most Ottoman territories were divided between Britain, France, Greece and Russia.
france and britain took iraq and syria before lausanne
@@TheHunterOfYharnam Did turkey get fully occupied?
Only 279 comments? Damn
e o Curdistão ficou sem território, que estava definido pelo Tratado de Sevres.
os curdos moram no irá, Síria tbm não só na Turquia
eles sempre foram sem país vc não sabe porra nenhuma sobre deles
Nice vid
I Am First
Can you review, “1974 Turkish Invasion of 🇨🇾, or Operations: Attila I & II?”
It will be interesting to see their war crimes again
@@DimiosTheGreatGR lol "war crimes"
@HiMyBlyatFriend swim
@@barsdogukankarakoyun8798 yea war atrocities are funny right?
@@DimiosTheGreatGR yup. better if there's a greek.
Independence from what exactly?
We had liberated our lands and the occupiers called us occupiers
@@DimiosTheGreatGR "our lands" X to doubt.
It's our land it's the land of Turkey
From a occupation by multiple superpowers
@@I.58.I Its our occupied lands
@@DimiosTheGreatGR No its not. It was your but we are controlling it for so long now
In Greece we don't like Atatürk not because we lost the war, but because he took part in the Greek genocide. The war was already lost since Venizelos left.
shut up and swim
Lmfao you invaded asia minor and who did genocode? Lol
You totally burn all the smyrna and killed, raped and tortured our people and now trying to say that the dead of pontic rebels who tried to kill laz and turkish people lived in there was a genocide? Your nationalism is the worst kind of it. Lie about humiliations that happened the opposite of it in reality and try to demonize us for turkophobia. The armenians did it and they won, and you will won too. But, is it really your want? Using English propoganda tactics even while we're living the peaceful era of uncle sam?
Greeks killed and burned many muslim villages starting killing muslims when they landed izmir and were forced to say long life venizelos
You mean Constantinople.
No he means İstanbul
@@I.58.I well he is not that knowing then
Christos Goulios That's like saying anatolia is Italian,those were litterally thousands of years before.
@lionpro weeb
@lionpro oof hit a nerve huh.
are you at least a literate weeb? which manga have you read thus far?
It should be said: The Atrocities committed by the Turks are universally (Outside of Turkey) considered to have been significant worse than the atrocities committed by the Greeks or other groups.
Indeed, not to mention Constantinople belongs to Christendom
@Yusuf Isa Just because the west has traitors in it's midst dies not mean those of us loyal to our faith and our people have to abandon what is rightfully ours
@Yusuf Isa I'm not denying that, but first of all it was still the middle ages, not exactly known for its high standards of living, secondly just because the city had suffered under the Byzantines doesn't mean they were responsible for its conditions that can mostly be attributed to Byzantium's enemies, thirdly even if the Byzantines were directly responsible for the city's downfall, it still belongs to the Byzantine people (modern day Greeks) as well as the rest of Christendom
@Yusuf Isa I see your point but Palestine never belonged to the Palestinians
Otto von Steinberg yeah right it should be biased because thats what your used to