Thanks for the video presentation. I live in England and ordered and received through my supplier two sets - black socks and also the white socks in just a couple of days. They look a superb product.
YES, THIS!!! (The pattern/texture of the little vortex generators already adds a bit of styling, even on a black on black, or grey on grey, etc. solid color sock. 😉)
I wouldn't swim in them 😂 but they are great for running as long as you aren't using your socks for additional padding or to tweak shoe fit.. these have a multi-texture footbed and upper foot, but are uniform in thickness in the underfoot.
Yes, and most all modern skinsuits are doing this in some fashion or another, though the UCI has made it very hard to execute certain types of trip devices so most common is the use of ribbed lycra in the sleeve. This was the suit that started it all: www.cyclingnews.com/news/no-vortex-generator-skinsuit-for-froome-in-final-tour-de-france-time-trial/
How come, since aero socks work so well, we don't wrap all sorts of stuff in aero sock material. From Bike-frames, to planes, parts of F1 cars. Or in other words: How come we don't have little vortex generators (could possibly be in form of stickers) on all those smooth surfaces where we want to control the wake?
Some of those things already use turbulators and others don't need them. Next time you fly, look out on the wing of the plane.. every plane on earth has little vertical turbulators sticking out from the top of the wing surface to increase stall angle and promote better flow attachment. Look at F1 cars, the wings in clean are are designed to not need turbulators, but the ones in dirty air, the floors, etc all use some sort of saw tooth leading edge and the underfloors have vortex creating strakes to provide the same effect. Look at the top of BMW side mirrors: turbulators, the little plastic thing that pops up when you open your sunroof.. full of saw tooth turbulators. They are everywhere once you know what to look for, it's just that all these things experience different Reynolds Number flows which means different boundary layer thicknesses and different separation points, so the type and shape of turbulator varies. As for bikes, you will see it in paint roughness, but the UCI has outlawed them in most other applications, or you would see them in more places otherwise.
Thanks Thomas, Josh has some issues with black sock due to some complicated cycling history, but we are open minded.. if the sock was black.. what other colors or shades would you like to see?
You got it! We've had some family, health, and travel issues between the 3 of us that have kept us off the air for a month, but recording another episode in 2 days.. and another next week.
I live in England and using the internet found a UK distributor. Ordered two sets of socks. Lots of colors in stock and received them in a couple of days. Simples.
Sorry Michel, but we are now required by EU law to collect VAT and duties up front for shipments into Europe and then we get the pleasure of paying your local government those taxes quarterly. On average the actual shipping cost is ~$20 and the rest are government fees!
Yes it is real. He acknowledges your understandable disbelief at the beginning of the video. I think the reason socks in particular make so much difference is that compared to your forward motion, your feet are going much faster on the pedals.
Just look at the introcution of UCI rule 28, or the fuss over the Danish pursuit team using kinesio tape on their shins to create the same effect.. Fred is right, it's a combination of the legs moving even faster than the bike, but also the leg having a rather un-aero cross section, so small changes can lead to some big differences. Having said all that, for most of us not at the pro-tour level, we just want beautifully made, comfortable, durable socks and these are the first that I know of to combine all those features into one! Best-Josh
@@SILCAVelo The nerd in me would love to see a blog post walking through the testing protocols, as well as what the stated wattage gains are baselined off of and how they compare head to head against the less practical but aero lycra versions. Love the idea behind these!
Defeet has had their EVO Distruptor sock out for about a year that is similarly knit all the way up and they claim similar gains of ~8W over regular socks.
Can't wait for the titanium 3d printed version...take my money
@silca how do these compare to other standard aero socks?
Thanks for the video presentation. I live in England and ordered and received through my supplier two sets - black socks and also the white socks in just a couple of days. They look a superb product.
Hoping for more solid colors- all white/all black/blue etc….
YES, THIS!!! (The pattern/texture of the little vortex generators already adds a bit of styling, even on a black on black, or grey on grey, etc. solid color sock. 😉)
100% agree. These are a bit too Zwift-cute for me.
I'm waiting for some Aero underpants!
Would these work for triathlon? How do the socks feel when running?
I wouldn't swim in them 😂 but they are great for running as long as you aren't using your socks for additional padding or to tweak shoe fit.. these have a multi-texture footbed and upper foot, but are uniform in thickness in the underfoot.
Hi Josh, wouldn't it make sense to trip the bicep? That cylinder is probably as long as your sock.
Yes, and most all modern skinsuits are doing this in some fashion or another, though the UCI has made it very hard to execute certain types of trip devices so most common is the use of ribbed lycra in the sleeve. This was the suit that started it all: www.cyclingnews.com/news/no-vortex-generator-skinsuit-for-froome-in-final-tour-de-france-time-trial/
do aero socks have a positive affect at slower speeds for average athletes who don't average a higher overall speed over the course of the course?
6:10 4 watts at 20 miles per hour. So it is pretty much pointless for the average cyclist imo
How come, since aero socks work so well, we don't wrap all sorts of stuff in aero sock material. From Bike-frames, to planes, parts of F1 cars. Or in other words: How come we don't have little vortex generators (could possibly be in form of stickers) on all those smooth surfaces where we want to control the wake?
Some of those things already use turbulators and others don't need them. Next time you fly, look out on the wing of the plane.. every plane on earth has little vertical turbulators sticking out from the top of the wing surface to increase stall angle and promote better flow attachment. Look at F1 cars, the wings in clean are are designed to not need turbulators, but the ones in dirty air, the floors, etc all use some sort of saw tooth leading edge and the underfloors have vortex creating strakes to provide the same effect. Look at the top of BMW side mirrors: turbulators, the little plastic thing that pops up when you open your sunroof.. full of saw tooth turbulators. They are everywhere once you know what to look for, it's just that all these things experience different Reynolds Number flows which means different boundary layer thicknesses and different separation points, so the type and shape of turbulator varies. As for bikes, you will see it in paint roughness, but the UCI has outlawed them in most other applications, or you would see them in more places otherwise.
@@SILCAVelo The huge rear wings on WRC rally cars as well, despite them only having about a 125 MPH top speed. 😉
Why no flying Dutch man sock!? Pure orange plz
Thoughts on using for a 100k mtb race. Any concerns off road?
Not at all.. though you might get them dirty!!
wish y'all would have made the socks in black.
Thanks Thomas, Josh has some issues with black sock due to some complicated cycling history, but we are open minded.. if the sock was black.. what other colors or shades would you like to see?
@@SILCAVelo plain white, plain black, plain navy, and pink.
@@tylerdowling Plain 'Castelli grey' as well.
Stop making products I want to buy, you're going to bankrupt me.
more podcasts please.
You got it! We've had some family, health, and travel issues between the 3 of us that have kept us off the air for a month, but recording another episode in 2 days.. and another next week.
Hi Josh, where can one buy these in the EU?
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I live in England and using the internet found a UK distributor. Ordered two sets of socks. Lots of colors in stock and received them in a couple of days. Simples.
Place them on in your store in Amazon please….
Love ‘em!
Whoa!
Aero legwarmers....? anybody?
I am going to spend all of my money on latex tubes and aero socks
60€ for transport. Hmmm 🤔
Sorry Michel, but we are now required by EU law to collect VAT and duties up front for shipments into Europe and then we get the pleasure of paying your local government those taxes quarterly. On average the actual shipping cost is ~$20 and the rest are government fees!
C"mon! Is this for real? Or just an April's Fool joke in mid-August?
Yes it is real. He acknowledges your understandable disbelief at the beginning of the video. I think the reason socks in particular make so much difference is that compared to your forward motion, your feet are going much faster on the pedals.
Just look at the introcution of UCI rule 28, or the fuss over the Danish pursuit team using kinesio tape on their shins to create the same effect.. Fred is right, it's a combination of the legs moving even faster than the bike, but also the leg having a rather un-aero cross section, so small changes can lead to some big differences. Having said all that, for most of us not at the pro-tour level, we just want beautifully made, comfortable, durable socks and these are the first that I know of to combine all those features into one! Best-Josh
@@SILCAVelo The nerd in me would love to see a blog post walking through the testing protocols, as well as what the stated wattage gains are baselined off of and how they compare head to head against the less practical but aero lycra versions. Love the idea behind these!
Defeet has had their EVO Distruptor sock out for about a year that is similarly knit all the way up and they claim similar gains of ~8W over regular socks.