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  • @andypdq
    @andypdq 14 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I had an 1800 Marina for £ 75.00 when I was about 20, I was the last owner before it got scrapped. Good fun, rear drive shit heap for merciless thrashing, sliding sideways through hedges , off roading and general contemptuous abuse. Did 8000 miles in it and it cost me fuck all. Happy days!

  • @Stu282
    @Stu282 15 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    My Dad and Grandma both had an Allegro back in the day and neither of them have anything bad to say about it but they won't be convincing me aha.

  • @TheNiceJackass
    @TheNiceJackass 13 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    "I like princesses!" :D

  • @enochpowelghost
    @enochpowelghost 10 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    nothing new in the allegro to be honest hydrolastic suspension and engine and box was in the austin 1100/1300 all that was changed was steering wheel and body shape.
    as for the marina it was aimed at the traditional rear wheel drive with leaf springs (hand cart) lol

  • @FirthWynnMyre
    @FirthWynnMyre 14 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    @78s4FR: Hi friend this car was scrapped on 01/05/1989. Hope that helps.

  • @Neweraoutsourcing
    @Neweraoutsourcing 14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Outstandingly adequate, lol

  • @UBIQUEROL
    @UBIQUEROL 15 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Austin "All-agro"
    I saw one broken down on the hard shoulder last week,
    i couldn't help but piss myself in laughter.

    • @boxinglegends6454
      @boxinglegends6454 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sonny Crockett must of been a decent car to be still working all those years later so why would you piss yourself? Unless you thought it was making the heap you drive look bad even though it was broken down

  • @depolle13
    @depolle13 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    You haven't got the idea of this at ALL!!!!
    Princess Hahahaha!!!!!!

  • @X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X
    @X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    3:13 "Couldn´t get in the back" Prophetic Clarkson, again...

  • @dcanmore
    @dcanmore 13 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Well I had the 'pleasure' of learning to drive in a 1981 poo brown Morris Ital 1.3L, the facelifted Marina for 80s! haha. It was my mother's car and I never felt safe in it. The suspension felt it belonged to a smaller car, the clutch was sensitive and the acceleration non-existent and the seats were cheap and uncomfortable. After 10 minutes I couldn't wait to get out of it. It was replaced with a 1983 Opel Rekord 2.0ltr, now that was plush!

  • @adrianbennett3761
    @adrianbennett3761 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Square steering wheels are all the rage now. The Allegro was a trailblazer

  • @jozg44
    @jozg44 16 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Whilst it would be absurd to say that either the Marina or the Allegro were without fault, neither deserve the continual bashing they get. The Allegro had features that would still be cutting edge on a car of its class today- Hydragas suspension being the main one. Much of the 'criticism' is simply bias. The old chestnut about it being more aerodynamic in reverse may be true, but it is also true for virtually every hatchback ever made with a radiator grille at the front.

  • @Kalkas53
    @Kalkas53 12 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    it seemed like in the 70's everybody was producing crap

  • @Speedster083
    @Speedster083 14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    no idea why people hate the MArina especially!! they may have had old technology suspension but! they were reliable! we're still full of them over here, even tho we have rubbish roads, all other 70s cars dissappeared except the Marina!! :)

  • @Cancun771
    @Cancun771 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's called "Marina", BBC. Are you trying to keep the Morris fan club away? Cause that's not working.

  • @brettdude92
    @brettdude92 16 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I love them Both!
    they have something all modern cars don't...
    CHARACTER!

    • @jacobrumens9601
      @jacobrumens9601 ปีที่แล้ว

      You are absolutely right my good man.

  • @jtr990
    @jtr990 14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Between the Marina and the Allegro, I can't decide which model gets smashed by a piano!

  • @Dav123xyz
    @Dav123xyz 12 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    we know they are not ferraris but they served many people well (and admittedly a few not so well) during 70s and 80s
    my dad 1.3 marina was fine (the maxi after was a nightmare)

  • @WelshyM
    @WelshyM 16 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Triumph's looked a class apart. they also made money for BL.... But sadly were frozen out by the Austin-Morris and Rover squeeze... Triumph could and should have been the BMW range if it had been further developed.
    1972 Dolomite, 2000/2.5 Mk2, Stag, Spitfire, GT6 and the TR6 plus of course the Dolly Sprint which appeared in '73.

  • @Kyng5199
    @Kyng5199 13 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    @quirpco So did later versions of the Allegro...the square one was only featured on certain earlier models.

  • @kidgoku666
    @kidgoku666 16 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Allegro to me is one of the best BL cars, purely because when we think of the british 1970's, we think of driveways with Allegros, and maybe the occasional Rover SD1. Also, the general shape of the Allegro was very modern for its time. The Peugeot 205 looks almost the same and that's a late 80's/early 90's car. The Marina was too bog-standard for a 70's british car, which was one of the big problems I have with most cars from British Leyland - they all looked the same.

  • @engared
    @engared 12 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My father called the marina the worst car he has ever driven. And he's driven a lot of cars...

  • @boo66
    @boo66 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Marina was designed for one reason.. To get fleet order sales which had been going to Ford, Rootes and Vauxhall (GM) as fleet buyers were put off by front drive cars percieving them as difficult to maintain. Basically a Hillman Avenger-esque body style on Morris Minor mechanical bits. I don't think they wewre bad looking but the driving experience wasn't so nice.
    The Allegro was a victim of Leyland's committee design team.. To many cooks! The original sketches looked quite good.

  • @roadwarrior114
    @roadwarrior114 ปีที่แล้ว

    I know a guy here in America with a Marina GT that I'm currently trying to buy. It's been sitting in the same spot outside since 1981 with the engine out, and as far as I know, I'm the only person interested in buying it. Which is something I'm worried about, because it needs work far beyond my mechanical abilities and if I don't buy it, it'll most likely get scrapped. Which I can't let happen, since there's only about 50 left in the entire Western Hemisphere.

  • @charlesnorte
    @charlesnorte 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @gamesbok I don´t know about it (Iran). Now our D/W is a classic, there are many 1500´s collectors who have a clubs.Sorry for my English, but I hope you understand me.
    pd. Siam Di Tella was the first factory at the end of fifties began this car and Rileys, pick ups and Stations Wagons. Do you know that? GM Argentina, Bedford trucks.

  • @trident1702
    @trident1702 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    On the paper the Allegro was mend to be the worlds best car. If only it had been made in Germany or japan, it would have had a chance!

  • @CChallinor
    @CChallinor 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Oh course this misses comparison to the Austin Maxi, same engine as the 1500/1750 Allegro. They all had the same design fault as the Mini of putting the radiator on the side so the front side of the engine got slammed with cold air and the back was toasty warm, the temperature differential was a bad thing.....I heard a rumour that the Allegro was more aerodynamic going backwards.

  • @gamesbok
    @gamesbok 13 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    @charlesnorte Wasn't the Hilman Hunter built in Iran?

  • @jedw
    @jedw 12 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    At least the Marina wasn't so UGLY as the Allegro - which is hideous. Sorry Jezza, it loses those 2 points for that.

  • @MGR99
    @MGR99 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    As a kid, I was with Clarkson, I thought they were just old shite. Now though, with heavy interest in the old and a bit obscure, I like them, and can relate to the owners he was talking to. I even find a lot of the marina quite nice looking.

  • @bongobob13
    @bongobob13 12 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If the Marina was bad looking, what on Earth was the Ital?!

  • @BunneRabb
    @BunneRabb 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    144p? That's about 10 pixels more than flash cards.

  • @osianpoulton4841
    @osianpoulton4841 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Surprized A piano didnt fall on the marina

  • @PhantomObserver
    @PhantomObserver 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well, we now know that Clarkson's antipathy towards the Morris Marina goes back a long, long, loooooooong way. ;)

  • @MrChris1316
    @MrChris1316 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    @charlesnorte sorry i think you mean the hillman avenger ,the marina was never built in south america ,just south africa and austrailia

  • @bruffie
    @bruffie 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't get all of the Marina hating really...I had 3 Marina TC 1.8 Coupes. For the time it was comfortable, reasonably good looking and not too slow.

  • @americanu197
    @americanu197 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    the allegro is a bit more stylish then the bland marina

  • @wilsob26
    @wilsob26 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    haha, if you saw season 13 , they have a french sister company! hahaha!!

  • @boo66
    @boo66 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Marina was designed for one reason.. To get fleet order sales which had been going to Ford, Rootes and Vauxhall (GM) as fleet buyers were put off by front drive cars percieving them as difficult to maintain. Basically a Hillman Avenger-esque body style on Morris Minor mechanical bits. I don't think they wewre bad looking but tyhe driving experience wasn't so nice.
    The Allegro was a victim of Leyland's committee design team.. To many cooks! The original sketches looked quite good.

  • @loontheklown1
    @loontheklown1 15 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    my first car was an allegro...twas this colour too!

    • @saurabhponkshe
      @saurabhponkshe 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      is any allegro available 2021

  • @ronmccullock1407
    @ronmccullock1407 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Allegro estate was a nice car

  • @EXTREME4YEARSTOCOME
    @EXTREME4YEARSTOCOME 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    the policeman must have been from dogford haha

  • @iLaytonnn
    @iLaytonnn 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @LochlanachViking So, the Mini, morris minor and the MGB were rubbish were they..... right :)

  • @47ambrose42jpm
    @47ambrose42jpm 13 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Clarkson is a very good complainer

  • @Tryvaltor
    @Tryvaltor 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Allegro looks exactly like an Austin Princess.

  • @dragonblood199
    @dragonblood199 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    My video card probably cost more then those cars =D

  • @Brera011
    @Brera011 14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @brettdude92 You forgot the Alfa Romeo's they still have CHARACTER!

  • @dominiccook12
    @dominiccook12 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    maybe they should drop a piano on the marina

  • @MasterChiefAgent007
    @MasterChiefAgent007 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yeah I know, LOL

  • @MasterChiefAgent007
    @MasterChiefAgent007 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    I guess Careless Air wasn't founded yet. (If you have no idea what I'm saying watch season 12 of Top Gear)

  • @charlesnorte
    @charlesnorte 14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @MrChris1316 May be possible. The Hillman Avenger belongs to same factory than the Morris Marina? Because our D/W looks like a M M. Greetings from Argentina.

  • @brettdude92
    @brettdude92 14 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    @2003vwgti1 Well mate, Character is this feeling that you have when driving a classic car. A car which despite being mocked has lasted for nearly 40 years! Somthing that you dont get in somthing like a 2003 Volkswagen GTI blandbox! That wont be around it 40 years time will it!?

  • @nemo6686
    @nemo6686 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I only clicked to see what a "Marin" was - that's one way to generate traffic, I suppose.

  • @troglokev
    @troglokev ปีที่แล้ว

    I would like to put Jeremy in a Trabant, and not let him out until he finds something good to say about it.

  • @BeeABaw
    @BeeABaw 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    in the US the Chevy Vaga was our worst car ever made.

  • @EddieLolz3r
    @EddieLolz3r 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jeremy Clarkson for president!

  • @mrspivvy
    @mrspivvy 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can't help wondering if any of the grunting thickos who in word association, when they hear "Marina" respond with "Piano", have ever actually sat in one,let alone driven one?

  • @rtyees
    @rtyees 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    U5096
    next trick?
    vauxhall viva engine in an austin maxi??

  • @dominiccook12
    @dominiccook12 14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @GranTurismo0517 - too many hahaa!

  • @crippledbandit2
    @crippledbandit2 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    Allegro should have easily beat the Merino at losing.

  • @liquid0001Squadalaxd
    @liquid0001Squadalaxd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Who is Marin?

  • @msw191
    @msw191 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    they were not all bad.. I mean, ok.. so the quality isn't top notch, but you can't say that the dolly sprint was a bad looking car.

  • @BIGMEME_Retro.trance
    @BIGMEME_Retro.trance 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    @Hurricane101167 it happened right after the film

  • @UBIQUEROL
    @UBIQUEROL 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    @charlieflint
    ?

  • @Leo060708
    @Leo060708 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    And AUDI and VW fit a flat bottom wheel and one or two of them seem to have wedges amongst their line ups!

  • @R33Racer
    @R33Racer 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @hardcore4republican, It's £45 Million, not Dollars (would be about $65 - $70 ish).

  • @crippledbandit2
    @crippledbandit2 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm not sure what your statement has to do with mine.

  • @intorsusvolo7834
    @intorsusvolo7834 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like the square steering wheel.

  • @Lumotaku
    @Lumotaku 15 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    they look like typical european cars to me.

  • @Brustkle
    @Brustkle 15 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So insted of buying a golf gti you bought an allegro and put a mg metro engine in it, Hmmmmm.
    People in the street are probably saying you have a nice car but there thinking to them selfs (hmmm first person ive met whose brain has been amputated)

  • @Heartborne7thSeeker
    @Heartborne7thSeeker 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    @brettdude92 I agree.

  • @yorrickwi
    @yorrickwi 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @Hurricane101167 this aint no top gear so aint no piano sorry

  • @mr-wx3lv
    @mr-wx3lv 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Isn't it typical of clarkson to rubbish British Leyland. If these cars were so crap, then why were so many sold?!

  • @253UC
    @253UC 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thats when you know your a nerd

  • @charlesnorte
    @charlesnorte 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    Marina is daugther of Chevy Nova 70. Watch the both Bodies! In Argentina was made like Dodge/ WW 1500/1800. Its was a good and strong car.

  • @toneskill
    @toneskill 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Audi Square bottomed steering wheel..... I will leave it there

  • @lostaznking
    @lostaznking 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    lol these cars make me grateful of the car i have

  • @AdamAus85
    @AdamAus85 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Alegro thing looks okay.

  • @rtyees
    @rtyees 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    on the hierarchy of crapness, i'd rather spend my sundays power-drifting a robin reliant round redditch with ann widdicombe & gordon brown. with a glovebox full of celery'n'spam sandwiches.
    well, ok, perhaps not redditch

  • @fontheking5
    @fontheking5 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    2 of the worst cars ever , i saw a Allegro today and i am happy i missed it whit the camera .

  • @lexus5011
    @lexus5011 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    it's my theory but a guy's taste in woman reflects a guy's taste in cars..

  • @bluebus270
    @bluebus270 15 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As usual Clarkson has tunnel vision and only sees half the picture. The Marina vied with the Avenger and Cortina in the rep market, and was an adequate family car. In Clarksons brain Marinas are rubbish and Bentley Continental R's are great. Guess which one we can all afford in this day and age......

  • @Motorfordtoyota
    @Motorfordtoyota 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Top gear needs to import a Ford Pinto so they can run a Marina into the back of it and watch it blow up. Theyd have the two worst cars ever there. lol

  • @ivanmifsud6972
    @ivanmifsud6972 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Both are HORRID. Malta was full of them back in the day, thankfully they're all gone now. Not that Maltese roads are full of nice cars now, mind you.

  • @MrThestig8
    @MrThestig8 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    wheres the piano!

  • @manoman0
    @manoman0 12 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wrong managment led to the destruction of many great british brands; yet again, who cares?

  • @mrspivvy
    @mrspivvy 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Both these cars MADE MONEY for BL. anyone want to say why the Marina was so bad, other than Clarkson telling you it was?
    I was around when they were current, they were no worse than any other '70s product, and in terms of longevity leagues ahead of all those Fiats/alfas/Lancias everyone now waxes lyrical about, conveniently forgetting that they all rusted to nothing in less than 5 years. mine did 120000 miles in the 10 years i owned it, no major issues.whats wrong with that

  • @Le_Rennais
    @Le_Rennais 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    MARINA caca!
    Sounds the same

  • @sarahciolina
    @sarahciolina 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    HOI

  • @mikepukenz
    @mikepukenz 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ha ha, I knew the Marina would win! Must surely be the worst car ever built!

  • @rckid143
    @rckid143 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    now i see why they hatehim

  • @hainaver8702
    @hainaver8702 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    hideous. especially the allegro.

  • @Monacomaverick
    @Monacomaverick 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Now all he has to do is compare them to the AMC Gremlin and Pacer.
    I must say these two cars are about the ugliest vehicles Great Britain has ever produced. They make the TR7 look sexy.