Lesbians and feminists on drag queens 70s
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- "It would be easy for a young feminist today to form the impression that the clash between feminists and pro-gender activists is recent, because- unlike men's liberation movements- feminism comes in "waves", with each patriarchal backlash erasing much of the work of the women warriors who came before. While it is true that the movement of men impersonating women has grown enormously in power in recent years (to the point that these men now dictate policy even to the gay men who have always dominated gay and lesbian organizing, as we have posted about previously), this struggle has been fought by lesbians for nearly half a century. Here, Jean O'Leary speaks at the 1973 Pride Rally on behalf of the Lesbian Feminist Liberation; she rails against men who impersonate and mock women, and speaks of the silencing of lesbians in the gay movement. You'll note two men on stage in dresses and hats who theatrically "perform" femininity as she speaks. One is drag queen activist Lee Brewster, the other is the "Sylvia" O'Leary refers to (whose modern legacy, the "Sylvia Rivera Law Project", was the sponsor of the 2014 video Laverne Cox made in support of child rapist and murderer Luis Morales, aka 'China Blast'.) Rivera and Brewster let their male rage shine through when they jump on stage and shout "You go to bars because of what drag queens did for you, and these bitches tell us to quit being ourselves!" (Description & Transcript of video from Women's Liberation Front)
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Gay USA (1977)
I Shot Andy Warhol (1996)
1973 Gay Pride March and Rally via LoveTapesCollective
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Lesbian Feminist Liberation statement at the 1973 Christopher Street Liberation Day in New York City, delivered by Jean O'Leary.
Video transcript:
"Lesbian Feminist Liberation negotiated for a week and a half, using the means that rational women have always used in the past- not disruptive means- to try to get up here and read a statement. We were told that NO, there would be no political statements read today, because one person, A MAN, Sylvia, gets up here and causes a ruckus, we are NOT ALLOWED to read our statement. I think that says a lot right there. I have written here a statement that is backed by a hundred women, so I'm going to read it:
**'When men impersonate women for reasons of entertainment or profit, they insult women. (BURST OF APPLAUSE) We support the right of every person to dress in a way that she or he wishes, but we are opposed to the exploitation of women by men for entertainment or profit. Men have been telling us who we are all our lives. They try to do it with scholarship, with religion, with psychiatry. When all else fails, they use humor to tell us- and each other- who and what we are. What we have seen here today is yet another instance in which men, LAUGHING with one another, are telling us who THEY think we are. Men have NEVER been able to show us ourselves. We are coming into a time and place as women in which we can show one another who we are.'**
(applause)
All right? Let men tell each other what THEY THINK of women. Let US tell you who we are."
Men pleading tearfully while doing that stupid woman voice upsets me so much. This taking time out to mock women.
"MEN HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO SHOW US OURSELVES"
It's always amazing how quick the anti-woman slurs come out of a male mouth. Whether it's the b-word, the c-word, or one of the others... it's very consistent.
Where did the words "bitch", "cunt", or "whore" ever get used in the recording?
I'm about as "pro-woman" as a man can get, because I'm normal, but you will never see me at one of these parades, because they cheapen all who attend them.
@@honestguyintelligent3022in general, dingaling.
@@jaffaranga The word bitch gets used a lot, ur right. I try to stay away from using it on women personally, and I'm even a male in Incel(technically).
@@honestguyintelligent3022 that's like trying to use the N word away from POC. It's still inherently violent and racist.
Men who use misogynistic slurs are still misogynists.
4:00 Pre-AGP vibes here...
I was surprised to see that old boy was up there spinning the whole "drag queens gave you your rights, be grateful!" bs such a long time ago. I thought that was something that was invented more recently with tras.
Males have been claiming credit for female work since at least written records began. Creation, for example!
@@NolitaWerrett even the rib of adam story is a rip off of ancient babylonian goddess, Timat
I also thought it originated through social media
The "genetic Gennies" op ed is virtually word-for-word contemporary TRA arguments. Just replace "genetic Gennie" with "ciswoman"
To be fair Lee Brewster, as a gay male, DID make substantial funding and organisational contributions to early Pride demos. He was caught in a cleft stick however because the transgender movement pioneered by Virginia Prince and the Beaumont Society excluded people like him because they were gay and Prince was all about how heterosexual males who crossdressed were far from being effeminate.
Who could have predicted that this would have turned into TRAs telling us what it means to be a woman... things have gotten so much worse.
The more I think about it the more I realize how much radical feminists and transpeople have in common in the struggle for human rights: protection from discrimination in the workplace due to gender expression, enshrinement of marriage equality, access to contraception and abortion services, protection from sexual exploitation & trafficking & violence, access to health care, access to a safe supportive community, an expansion of the rights of accusers in a justice system where rapists get off free. So much overlap. I truly don't understand why we've been divided so much.
@@d0lvl0 The fact that the rights transpeople demand depend so much on women giving up our rights to privacy, sex-based protections, and physical safety is what divides me from them.
@@daughterofsekhmet81 I think privacy and physical safety are shared concerns of transpeople too. Sex-based protections, I'd agree as well, but with a fuzzier definition of "sex" than I what I think you mean. In any case, with all these shared concerns, shouldn't that make feminists and transpeople natural allies?
@@daughterofsekhmet81by attempting to exclude trans people from their womanhood all you're doing is protecting and reinforcing your oppressed position withn the patriarchy. What we should be doing is uniting with all women, including trans ones to dismantle it instead. Your views are anti-feminist to their core.
@@dove4977 I wasn't going to take the time to reply, but you're basically arguing that men get to define womanhood and any woman who doesn't agree hates themselves, so this is a chance to educate someone who has clearly fallen victim to the pro-trans propaganda that seeks to destroy women's rights and put men back in charge. I'm guessing you're either a TIM yourself(in which case, get therapy and learn to love yourself), or a very naive young woman who has yet to experience what _always_ happens when vulnerable people(women, not men in dresses) lower their boundaries to avoid hurting an oppressor's feelings. I'm old and I've seen exactly what happens when we "be nice", and that's why I'm NOT nice anymore.
I don't care if men want to wear pretty dresses and play make-believe, adults can do whatever they want as long as they're not hurting anyone else. But I don't have to play make-believe with them. Those men are still MEN, they have no right to enter our facilities, and trans ideology is patriarchy 2.0. Can't oppress the women anymore? Become the women instead! Lesbians must take the girldick or else they're bigots! That used to be called corrective rape, very popular in MGTOW and incel circles, yet now it's labeled "inclusivity". Lesbians who aren't attracted to men are called transphobes and terfs, and told their "genital preference" is bigotry. It was once known as conversion therapy when a gay person was pressured to change their orientation to please others, now it's called "inclusivity". Are you starting to get it yet?
It's appalling and downright baffling how any real woman could seriously believe that this disgustingly misogynistic, sexist, and homophobic ideology is pro-feminist by any stretch of the imagination. How exactly is stripping away womens' choices, bodily autonomy, and privacy in order to capitulate to mentally ill men pro-woman in any way? You are literally telling women to make themselves smaller so men can have more room. My generation worked our asses off to dismantle outdated gender roles and teach our kids that anyone can be whatever they want to be regardless of their sex. But here comes the trans agenda to enforce gender roles all over again! If you like cooking and dolls you're a girl, if you like cars and video games you're a boy. How can ANYONE still not see just how absolutely backwards and destructive this ideology is?
Absolutely NO ONE benefits from trans ideology besides MEN. And men who demand access to women's private spaces and sex-based rights do not have good intentions, period. Every single "terf", myself included, has learned this the hard way when the "fellow women" we tried to support proved to be yet more men wanting to take advantage of us. I pray you don't have to learn this the hard way too.
"I cannot sit & let my people be insulted" - says the man in drag. She was talking about a sex issue, therefore "your people" are men! Typical anti-feminist response. Feminist: "that's offensive" Anti-feminist: "No, you"
Remember when blackface was okay?
Womanface still is. That's where we are
5:45 The Statement
Red face is still okay with many too😞
I actually posted this a face years ago on a few Seth Meyers videos about black face. Said "why is ladyface okay but blackface isnt?"
It didn't go over so well.
man-face is wrong. Why are you wearing pants?
Drag queens arent trying to emulate women you a-hole. Drag is about hyper femininity which doesnt solely belong to women. Just as masculinity doesnt belong to men. Everyone has access to femininity and masculinity . Drag is tapping into innate femininity and extenuating it. Honestly screw you if you think otherwise
@@millyvinevinny6031 Llevamos pantalones pero no llamamos a eso "ser hombre". No nos apellidamos "king" u "hombre-algo" por llevar pantalones.
props to the man who took his privilege to tell the crowd to LISTEN TO HER
And yet they will only listen to a man.
Vito Russo who was to write "The Celluloid Closet" and succumbed to AIDS in 1990.
@@eurodelano and yet that same man cannot fail to make abundantly clear whose side he's in, and what he considers a woman is.
The insecure XY Club...Nothing More.
Oh, the women of today would never fight, you need not worry gentlesirs, no insult is too great to take us away from sucking up to men and the women they approve of because the women of today are born to serve authority.
"It's a tool to express who I am"
Yeah, a pillock
Actually in the U.K GLF there were a lot of gay transvestites who did it to try and gain some measure of the kind of pressures women underwent in their everyday lives, the sexist attitudes and challenges they faced in employment situations. Nothing to do with the savage contempt the movement shows today. Also, back then, it was tied in with telling society where to go with its narrow definitions of what constitutes being a male, like butch lesbians. It is this realisation and understanding that brings home what a repulsive right wing movement the current TRA one actually is.
This shall make a comback, men will never be women.
I am so fucking glad I found this channel. Thank you thank you thank you.
Only narcissists can always see themselves as a victim when they CLEARLY aren't.
You mean like the alphabets
Lmao I can't even tell which side you're talking about. They both think they're the victim XD
Womanface not being an issue tells you a lot about the current shape of the Olympics of oppression.
As a gay man drag makes me cringe i dont understand it it makes a clownery of LGB rights and drag queens look bloody creepy
Sick of even supposed "gender critical feminists" treating drag like a sacred cow and acting as if gay men are not 100% MALE.
Some men can be allies. Many gay men are allies of women.
@@roseg2239 Sure. But that doesn't make drag a sacred cow.
gay men aren't just men, they're misogynistic men. Calling women breeders, bleeders, and fish. Feminism needs to separate from the LGB, the LGBT, and the LGBTQIA alphabet mafia.
Thats not a thing
Wow even the feminists disagree with drag and i do stand by that, as a man i wouldn't want a bunch of women dressing up as men and telling us real men who we r
a lot of LGB people do. Fred Sargent is an elderly gay activist who actually got assaulted by a trans person for speaking against drag and calling it for what it really is, making a joke of women
@@ieetrgun2620it’s more than just that. It’s also a fetish.
I'm "dragphobic". It's offensive.
Why are women the ones who are supposed to accommodate gender nonconforming men? Wouldn’t a genuinely progressive solution advocate for men to be accepting of gender non-conformity in their spaces, rather than saddling the burdens of validation upon the backs of women?
Because that is how opression works. Opression and discrimination and two different things: discrimination marginalizes certain groups of people, relegating them in many cases to the fringe of society or rejecting them; while opression is not presented as marginalization or differenciation; but rather the "natural order" of society.
And so, these men while denoucing the discrimination they suffer, want to uphold the "natural order" by exercising their "right" to opress women. They don't want to be discriminated for their deviation of masculinty norms, but they still want to exhert their "birthright" to tell women what to do. Clearly there is not enough space in their midview to imagine a world in which you actually contest the power dinamics that fuel opression. They just want to be included in those dinamics and be able to exert power over others themselves.
There are only four opression systems alive today: race, sex, class and religion, of which only three are universal. And note how they intersect with every effort of fighting against one of them beign always diluted or justified by others. Sexism and racism get diluted with classism in the notion that underrepresentation is a natural result of "meritocracy", obscuring the reality that opressed people need to work much harder to get much less credit for their efforts and merits. In the societies where religious opression still exists, the racial prosecution, the opression of the poor, and the lack of rights for women; are allways justified by the unquestionable "will of the gods" and "holly scriptures". And when femism attempts to denounce the lack of rights women in opressive religious systems experience, we are labelled "colonialists" or "bourgeoise", implying a racial and class bias despite wanting to exend fundamental rights to women of all races and class. Opressive systems allways justify one another in creating the narrative of what the order of society is. And that's why "neoliberal feminism" is an oxymoron.
@Ab3ndcgi, I essentially asked that as a rhetorical question, because the answer is clear, but I absolutely love your response. Thank you for posting it with such clarity and insight! 👏👏👏
Feeling like this is equating gender non conformity with being trans when they are different things..
@mariannehavisham8323 how are they different?
@l.slayer551 because many gay men and lesbians are gender non conforming but they aren't trans. One is sexual orientation and the other is gender identity. Gender presentation and gender identity is not the same thing (like not all non binary people present androgynously). Plenty of feminine men and masculine women exist, butch lesbians are a thing, being gender non conforming is very prevalent in the lgbt community (although there are also gender non conforming straight cis people too) like a woman with short hair could be called gender non conforming but the vast majority are not trans men
Oooookay. I'm absolutely sick of this. For a while now, I've been in the boat of not caring about what other people do, being more accepting, yadayadayada, but here in this video and also in this comment section I keep finding myself in a conflict of interest that I don't even belong in! I feel like society has been coerced into using drag as a kind of "catch-all" for gender non-conformity and because of that, watching it get criticized evokes a reaction from me that wants to defend it. I would describe myself as a "not very masculine"/"somewhat effeminate" gay guy. I like gender non-conformity. Butch lesbians are some of the coolest people I've ever met, both in terms of style, and just general "cool vibe". Like, seriously, I don't really interact with them much, as we don't generally have much in common, but I have no individual groups who I can say consistently have more "badass energy" than them.
On the flip-side, even though it entirely lacks any utilitarian function, and though I wouldn't call it "attraction" I love the asthetic of men that one might call "feminine" or gender non-conforming. Honestly, to give an example that might not be the most "woke" of me, I thought Robert White, before he transitioned and started calling himself "Blair", looked awesome. He was cool, and I think that sort of thing is so different from trying to "drag" women through the mud with crude jokes about biological functions that these men literally just hate. I had a gay coworker recently talk to me about hating women's genitals, and it floored me how not only did he instantly assume I had that strong of an opinion, but he literally refused to believe me when I said "I'm just not interested in interacting with somebody with that anatomy."
"... So you hate it?"
Like? F*cking no! I literally just told you how I felt. Why would I hate something just because I don't intrinsically like it? Gay men's weird obsession with hating women shocks me constantly.
In any case, Drag is not non-conformity. They are almost literally "sex clowns" as I've heard them be called. It is very flashy and direct, and so I think the theatrics garnered a public spotlight, but I think it distracts from what real expression and non-conformity actually is and turns it into a production. I always disliked it, growing up, because I literally grew up looking to the internet wondering what was wrong with men wearing dresses, and found that those that DID were jokes, fetishists, or delusional. The first two preformatively mock the enforced conformity of those they oppress, and the last literally attempts to BECOME the subject of mockery.
F×cking hell world. I hope we'll have a future where kids won't grow up finding the same kind of trash I did when looking for answers about who they are and what interests they have.
😂🤣 "goodbye horses" starts playing😂🤣
Love this sooooooooo much, automatic vision of buffalo bill dancing in his woman's skin suit
@@sweetiepieplaylist within the first 3 cords😂
They play that song a lot at the goth club and I wonder if one day it'll be banded since it's from Silence of the Lambs which doesn't show them in a positive light.
@@ASMRyouVEGANyet omg I wanna go to that club, I'm still a goth girl at heart... also always a jodie foster fan, that movie is in my top ten.
Great video! Subscribed! Just listening to these people also further shows that the men in dresses are completely freaking oblivious! That they are thinking about it only from a perspective of purely selfish expression! While understanding basically nothing about the bigger picture, and how imposed gender norms are being used to hurt and oppress women as a class! It's just something fun that they can opt into, and get to play around with and explore, for kicks.
But anyway... At least, back then, they had not gone so far as to say that their performance makes them actually women! Which they have now. And it is absolutely infuriating! Obviously a case of: "take everything that you're able to get away with". And they are able to get away with it now, as our culture is just absolutely EFFED up, and so many of our institutions have been captured!
Also, funny that you mentioned Mary Daly, because I'm just reading Gyn/Ecology, and she seriously seems to be predicting SO much of this stuff! As did Magdalen Berns, before she passed. (Although it was more recently.) Interesting, that.. Guess once you understand the true nature of how men function, and how they exploit women, it's easy to predict what's going to happen. Like.. there are no brakes, unless we object and push back like CRAZY! And if we don't..? They'll just keep taking, and taking, and taking, EVERY sodding thing that they can get away with. It's DISGUSTING!
So freaking bored and sick of "yeah, but let's be NICE and INCLUSIVE, though!" I mean, it is EXACTLY what keeps allowing them to get away with it! And we were socialized to be that way. We build and maintain our own prisons. Oh, the epic mind-fuck of first realizing that.. It's been quite a ride! (Still is.)
Anyway... I think drag parodying women, I'm just not at ALL okay with, at this point. But just playing around with femininity, in more of a camp gay way, that does NOT parody women, or try to be a woman..? I'm cool with. I think there's decidedly a difference there. So.. not really into the fake breasts, and trying to "pass", and things. But by all means, wear the high heels, if you like! Just as long as you know you're still a man, and you don't pretend to be anything else. That's my take, at this point.
Except they aren't opting into it. They're not women in any sense. They are just wearing costumes and performing. A woman is not a man who is wearing a costume and performing. I despair that society will ever understand this. These guys already know it, they are just playing dumb for sympathy points.
I miss Magdalene Berns so much :-( By all means I am determined at honoring her memomry and that of the many women who came before by labelling dolly makeup and high heels for what they are: slave paint, and rape shoes.
The women who is interviewed in the video has a great point in pointing out that heavy meatl music, punk and rock cultures did much in resignifying and re-appropiating clothing as a means of self expression. Music stars wore long hair, dyed hair, high heeled platforms, makeup, bandanas, over-the-top jewelry and tight pants as self expression, without feeling the need of parodying women or appropiating their opression in order to express themselves. And remember, the people wanting to insult them for that did so on the ground that they looked afeminate, same as the people who have allways chastized lumberjack shirted and short haired women for looking manly.
what went wrong?
Being gay doesn't have to make you dress up as the opposite sex and play out stereotypes. Drag is offensive and im a biological man saying this. I always hated seeing women dress up as men and act out the stereotypes of men
What an amazing video!
To be fair Lee Brewster did do a lot of funding and organising for Pride events including the original Christopher Street marches. In the end, however, it became apparent to him that trans-sexuals were the only ones supported by the various gay liberation movements whereas transvestites/drag queens were tolerated as symbols of rebellion but not fully as human beings being taken at face value for who they wanted to be.
This particular confrontation seems to have been started by Lesbian feminists protesting the prescence and handing out of leaflets of drag queens at a 1973 New York Pride event, denouncing it as being an offensive parody of actual female experience. Sylvia Rivera had previously spoken before the filmed extract.
Im guessing there was a lot of inner conflicts faced by GAY transvestites back then. The Virginia Prince inspired transgender groups wanted nothing to do with them either associating them with male prostitution. I admire the bravery of this generation whilst decrying what trans activism has become today. The Hijra in India argued for and were given legal third spaces in society and that would be, for me, an ideal solution for today.
To be fair, male activists seem to be the only ones demanding praise and medals for their efforts. Never seen Andrea Dworkin do that. Which makes me worried about how much of their activism is concerned with actual rights and political conquests, and how much of it is focused on personal recognition and status. Cause I've never seen a feminist activist resting on her laurels after a political conquest, knowing that many women and female childreen around the world are still beign opressed. But why concern ourselves on the lives and rights of girls that are sold as cattle in asia and islamic countries when there's so much "self-expression" to celebrate...
This video is slow getting kicked off TH-cam as I found it on the love tape collection that is gone all of them from this pride. Do not let them get this.
the more things change, the more they stay the same.
Based 💯💯
"Sex in terms of clothes and stuff"
Raging lesbian here! I LOVE DRAG! Such a shame some of our wider community were being so BIGOTED. Makes me so, SO sad. Love yourself. BE YOURSELF and have fun in life....what is the point without our ability to be who we are. Individually and as a collective. Love to all x
Also drag and trans are 2 very different things which isn't made clear in the video or video description.. also what about drag kings?
Jean O'Leary later regretted her stance against the drag queens attending in 1973: "Looking back, I find this so embarrassing because my views have changed so much since then. I would never pick on a transvestite now." According to another source she also stated : "It was horrible. How could I work to exclude transvestites and at the same time criticize the feminists who were doing their best back in those days to exclude lesbians?"
simple, transvestites are male, lesbians are female. lesbians need feminism, transvestism need transactivism. anyone not belonging to either group have no business influencing such group
@@urmom90210 It's not that easy, you can't just separate issues like this. Oppression doesn't work that neatly. In fact this kind of binary thinking is inducive to the reduction of oppression of women to solely a woman's issue. Patriarchy affects all genders. It affects all genders differently. Even the dominant group in an oppressive system is affected negatively. By thinking and working with and through these differences in solidarity, (not erasing them!) is only possible to truly liberate ourselves from marginalisation and oppression. Both from outside oppressive structures as well as internalised oppression. As trans women are women, with a myriad of different experiences as is the case with any group, we need their perspective and they need cis-woman's perspectives. And not just trans women, trans men, non-binary people, intersex people, etc, etc, as well.
God I was looking for comments like these, honestly gives me hope bc I was shocked and saddened looking at how so many other ppl were responding in the comments.
@@shakeitlikeanaries128 Just WTF is "all genders"?? It is nothing but a fiction in people's heads! There are two sexes. Male and female. Some people have DSDs, but are very much still either male or female, regardless. In fact, most DSDs are sex specific! (As in, they only ever affect males, or only ever affect females.)
Also, yes, men suffer too in some ways. But they can work that out themselves. It's not the responsibility of feminists. Feminism is WOMAN centric! That is the whole sodding point of it, to have something that's actually for and about WOMEN! I'm neither a separatist nor fully a rad fem, (although I decidedly have quite a lot of rad fem sympathies, and agree with them on many things, at this point), but comments like this just makes me see all the more why radical feminism is important! You just sincerely don't have a CLUE, do you?? You don't liberate women from oppression by kowtowing to the demands of men, and making feminism about everybody else, other than actual women!
Also, "trans women" are men, "non-binary" is a delusion, and I 100% reject and resent the label of "cis". Don't force it on me! I'm a woman. Men aren't. No matter how they "identify", or all their fragile "lady feels". (More like raging AGP, in most cases.) I'd much rather be called a TERF, than "cis", in fact! "Cis" is far worse of a slur to me! So that should tell you something. And no, we don't need, as feminists, to consider the oppressive perspectives of entitled, delusional men who think they can BECOME us, and supplant us! If they want to create their own communities for themselves, that's fine! But they have no right to force themselves into our spaces, and I don't see why I should have to give a damn about them! I'm often quite sympathetic to the suffering of people who experience real dysphoria, though. But comments like this..? Just make me angry, and completely kill all my sympathy! Simple as that. It's like.. I wonder if you even watched the same video as I did, because how in the hell can you NOT see this stuff?? I rest my case.
@@shakeitlikeanaries128 stop with the cis BS
I understand but drag isnt the problem nor are queer men or men in drag. The problem is the patriarchy and its complete hatred towards femininity. Atleast drag performers celebrate femininity. Yes it is true that they (some) do not carry the opression of everyday femininity. But the queer community must bind together and engage in dialogue. It is all we have. The outside will always try to separate us from being united. There fore we must ALWAYS communicate and listen to eachother.
Anyways I love Sylvia Revira and how much she has done for the whole Community
He was a man and lesbians are supposedly part of this community but men like him fuck(ed) them over.
these comments are so disappointing. the amount of transphobia… drag queens aren’t mocking women, it’s just people expressing themselves. your all sensitive and weird for trying to find a problem with it. not all men want to be so masculine, some men enjoy being feminine and getting in touch with their feminine side. they are simply just expressing themself. stop putting men into a little box, they can do what they want with themselves. coming from a lesbian, i love drag queens and i love that they get the chance to express themselves fully. anybody who has a problem with it should stfu.
Just because you are a lesbian doesn't mean your opinion speaks for all lesbians and doesn't mean your opinion isn't harmful
Drag queens aren’t trans. Y’all just call anything transphobic and y’all also call anything trans. Trans is not an umbrella term or catch all. It’s some peoples very real lived experience. Any gnc person is not trans! People need to stop appropriating others experiences.
@@treeeternal867you're right but I think she knows this but worded it wrongly. In my opinion, there is shared ground between transphobia and animosity towards drag , as they are disliked because they're both gender non-conforming .
Its so embarrassing that people thought like this and were fighting with people of their own community. Drag is about mocking the absurdity of gender roles and the binary, not making fun of women
That's BS. Drag is the caricaturing of women and the men who dress up like women are cartoonish...a child's nightmare of what a woman is.
It definitely isn’t. so wearing prosthetic breasts and swinging them around is mocking gender roles.
Says you. Why is your way of interpreting correct?
How is it mocking the absurdity of gender roles by men dressing up as exaggerated caricatures of women? How is it not mocking women?
I'm a trans man and a drag queen and this was a bunch of nonsense.
youre a trans man AND a drag queen? did you mean drag king?
@@feminist-vhs-archive nope. Drag queen
LOL, uh huh.
@@queenvanagon which comment is this to? Lol
@Butterme Pancake You're nonsense. Support women!
wonderful channel !
I don't usually support this, but my opinion is that lesbians are just so so so jealous that the drag queens look WAY hotter than them.
Fricking what?! Drag Queens are creepy looking people that takes away the rights of women by calling themselves woman
It’s not about lesbians it’s about women in general who have every right to be offended by men using their skin just to mock us and pretend to be something they’re not and will never be.
A classic!
This is why males will always be considered the first AI; males all have the same programming
Ayye, I found the male! Of course everything is about how women look to men.