Music alone suspends time and for this moment, it certainly stands still. I'm moved to tears and my world has suddenly been undone. Thank you for posting this. It's beyond exquisite....
Oh good, that is good news, am learning more about Radu Marian all the time. I have heard older ones on sfkcbf channel and had hoped he would improve. Please excuse my misunderstanding, 1977 (ha ha)
Apparently he's performing Feb 7th and onwards in Estonia. I wonder if someone has the presence of mind to record it in one form or another for future release. It's such a rare and wonderful event that should be immortalised indeed...given that there'd be such beautiful pieces sung there. Thanks for posting this by the way! :-)
Radu Marian is neither a countertenor, nor is he a "castrato." He went through puberty as most men do; however, a severe case of laryngitis both stilled his soprano voice and its ability to extend above C6 (c''') like he could when a boy. The man, along with fellow male soprano Michael Maniaci, were interviewed some years ago apropos their conditions; regretfully, the Web site which transcribed them has long vanished.
And what are YOU talking about?! I meant the quality of the sound only! Such an amazing crystal-clear pure tone. You heard something about castrati but perhaps forgot that we live in the 21st century. Nobody castrates boys now for the purpose of singing in a high voice. The past is in the past. Radu Marian is only an endocrynological castrato. It's in the voice, not in the body. That's why he sings like that. There are some others who sing in their unbroken voices but his timbre is unique!
Nothing but praise for Jerousky. Absolutely exquisite falsetto on that man. His technique is impeccable. I won't compare him to Radu though because what distinguishes Radu's voice is the fact that it is NOT a falsetto. I've heard Radu really get into a song with a Thaikovsky piece. I'll find and send you the link. I don't speak Russian so, I can only speak to the feeling he gave it not the aria itself. I don't care for Russian opera much though so, you're on your own. :)
He would've been 20 when the movie came out. He was still finishing up his studies but he was already making waves and winning awards at that time. He would've been a perfect age for the role, actually.
Yes, you're right, he's good and this recording does not make him justice.
Not so sure about his Ave Maria, though... his portamento-to-a-screamed-high-C sends shivers down my spine :-) and BTW, my opinion here is totally unrelated to being nonreligious - I love sacred music, and singing Bach is one of my highest spiritual experiences.
@soprana53 Sorry about a small correction: a counter-tenor is not automatically a tenor; actually most of them have a baritone chest voice beneath their head voice altus or mezzo-soprano. Contra-tenor means it is the voice which sings "against" the tenor. Latin.
Thank you I will hunt it down. He really is Quite enchanting one wonders how close to Farinelli his voice comes. Probably the closest I will hear in my lifetime.
Just noticed it was recorded in 1977, how old would that have made him? I wonder how much his voice may have changed in 30 years. This is a marvellous recording at any age.
True, funny enough that hits close to home as my little step-brother has leukemia and I've noticed despite him being 17 he hasn't quite seemed to go through puberty aside from getting taller. Makes me wonder.
With all due respect: a countertenor is not necessarily only tenors trained to sing in the alto or mezzo range. They can sing as full blown sopranos as well, and it is actually more common for baritones and even basses to sing as a countertenor, despite tenor being in the word "countertenor". They are trained to sing this way through falsetto, however you are right, Mr. Marian here is not one.
Actually, soprana53, a counter-tenor is usually a baritone that has trained to bring the power of his chest-voice (or modal voice) into his falsetto (or upper head-voice). There are actually only few natural tenors who become counter-tenors. It really does sound as if Radu is using his modal/chest rather than a falsetto. On the other hand, though, Alfred Deller never really sang in his lower voice either, but his voice did break; he just kept on singing high although his speaking voice dropped.
I never understood that either. Evirato always seemed much more graphic to me but, I didn't invent the appelation, I just read about it and passed it on. =) You'll have to take that up with the long-dead members of 18th and 19th century art music society in Italy.
With all respect: a counter-tenor is, as the name says, a TENOR that is trained to sing up in altus-or mezzo-voice. Radus voice did not change. He kept his soprano-range he had as a boy. There is DEFINITELY no tenor -voice underneath. The reasons are not known, but of course he is´n´t a castrato, you are right with that. Have a nice evening!
One can´t compare this voice to any other, because it is unique. But you are aware, I suppose, that the voice in "farinelli" is a fake, it was mixed out of a soprano and a countertenors voice in the studio.
Thank you for your real interest. As I said before, the problem is I will not make it openly. Pity is. with the new design of YT I am not able to post comments on other channels or send a message. Perhaps I am too old:)))). Do you know a way, or better: do you happen to be on Facebook? You will find a lot interesting things there! I suppose it would be nice to meet you. Regards!
Actually Radu can be classed as a castrato - or in his special case a "natural castrato" due to his voice not changing due to endocrinological reasons. And the other correct term for his singing voice is a "sopranist" not a counter-tenor.
the original fascination of castrato was not the "child" voice but the power of adult voice mixed with the high tones. Only in Rome castratoes sung as female part, en travestie. everywhere else they were "primo uomo"
@sterneflamme Where do I live? In Texas, for what that's worth. What kind of music do I listen to? A great variety, actually, but my favorite composers are Haydn, Handel,Lully, Mozart, Bach, Beethoven, Vivaldi, Schubert, Dvorak, Brahms, and have a number of others, such as Monteverdi and Purcell. I received your apology and explanation without a problem about the squirrel. You say he is not a soprano, ergo he is not? Again, read the other commenters to see who agrees with you.
You know to be honest I can't recall at moment where I ran into the bit about him and Kallman's but either way it fits the eternal quote of him being an "endocrinological castrato"
Thanks for recommending this. :-) He sounds more like a treble than an adult male soprano. He has a unique voice but I don't quite like his higher note, they sound edgy and almost uncontrolled?
Know what you mean. Spanish has similar quirks. For people's feet, we use the word Pie with pies as plural. For animals, we use pata with patas being plural. If you want to be rude and demeaning to someone, you refer to their feet as patas unless you happen to be from a family with little education and you and your folks just use the one word for everything.
Also there is the issue of the Baroque counter-tenor... nobody really knows for sure whether they used falsetto or not. Most counter-tenors today do, though. There have been some, like Russell Oberlin, who are 'natural counter-tenors', i.e. they sing only with their chest-voice (or mixed voice for the highest notes) but do not use falsetto. But it's actually quite hard to tell aurally if a good 'falsettist counter-tenor' is using falsetto or not just from his tone-colour.
Is this the only example of his singing you have heard? I assure you, he is very very good at what he does. He's a bit weak in Voce Di Petto but, overall, I think that you'd find the other examples of his work very satisfactory. Have a listen to the sul margine adoratto posted on youtube or the lamento d'il castrato. His Gounod's Ave Maria is quite beautiful and this is a noncatholic telling you this. Seriously, explore more of his work.
Well, I read an article from a jouirnalist who interviewed him and described him as having "the voice of a eunuch." Radu tells this journalist that he once had a music teacher ask him if he was a woman to which he replied: "If you were younger, I'd show you." As for him being a falsettist, there's no doubt he's not a falsettist. To compare: watch?v=I2YByhdnXIY
ECCO IL TESTO ITALIANO: Lascia ch\'io pianga mia cruda sorte, E che sospiri la libertà! Il duolo infranga queste ritorte De\' miei martiri, sol per pietà. PS: Vorrei augurare a Tutti Veramente un Buon ascolto!
This is true. All men have a falsetto register and many train it to sing in the alto range and soprano range like Scholl and Christofelis. They never gain that distinctive timbre which the full voiced alto and soprano singers have though. And, what's more, falsetista are a dime a dozen whereas men like Radu Marian are exceedingly rare. and, no, he's not castrated, he's an "endocrinological castrato" meaning he's got a deffective pair. Where'd you hear he had Kallman's?
@pavarotiguimaraes Sorry, I don't speak Portuguese; but he is a modal sopranist countertenor, NOT of the endocrinological type (those tend to be short and stocky; I understand he is a tall, rangy fellow.)
Like Indian Hijras? I have heard about Hijras before, but don't know so much about them. If, as you say, women are singing playback to their voices, they must be very good singers!
Hey thanks for recommending this! :) I've never heard of him before. How does he go about sounding more like a treble than an adult male soprano/countertenor? He has an intriguing voice but I don't like his interpretation of this aria. And the high notes (around 3:08) have an edge to them, and sound almost uncontrolled.
@jp40798 Radu Marian was born in 1977, so he is 33. And all the rumours about endocrinological "castrato" a mere speculations. There are other reasons why a voice can sound like that.
Well, remember too that he isn't a castrato in the same way the baroque castrati were so, he will sound different. As to the instruction, this is hardly surprising since Moreschi himself didn't have the sort of proper tutilage of a castrato like one of Porpora's students would've had. Vibrato isn't supposed to be very much in evidence in baroque pieces according to what I've read. It came into heavier use in the classical and romantic periods and really took off with Verdi and Puccini's stuff.
OMG, dude. I hope he gets better. I don't think they use the same drugs anymore. Medina was born in 1970 which puts his fight with the disease in late 70's/early 80's. PRetty sure your brother will be fine.
thanks - but I was actually referring to someone who claimed Jaroussky needed to take hormones. By the way, has Radu agreed he is some sort of "endrocrinological castrato" and does not use a falsetto technique, or is this just what people assume from his sound? What is his speaking voice like?
no, it is not Kallmans syndrome. In fact, I know what it is, but I definitely will NOT tell it openly. If Radu would want to make it public, he would do so. Regards.
I think they are different voices. Scholl for example has more profound a tone. Jaroussky is a wonderful singer also, nobody can deny his technic. Actually Radu Marian is unique. Unique.
It is just a question of linguistic feeling... in Italian, "castrato" is commonly used for beasts, while "evirato" is used only for men; the first is a popular term, while the latter is a more educated because of its clear latin origin.
How do you figure? Farinelli had his debut in his teens and was in his very early twenties when he was in England. Radu Marian released his first album at 23 and had been performing earlier than that. Are you thinking of women's voices? Do THEY not mature at 20? Please remember that we are talking about male sopranos which aren't technically natural and could be argued to be voices that never fully matured since adult men (20-year-old men) typically have tenor to bass voices.
Correct. I do, however, think Maniaci could sing alto or contralto were he so taught instead of using his voice much as a female soprano would use it. Last castrato to sing contralto and soprano was Salvatori who died in 1909. Started at the Cappella Giulia as contralto and finished at Sistina as soprano.
If he took testosterone, he'd lose that voice he has. Some people are born with a condition that prevents their testicles from working properly. That or they have this happen as a result of treatment for a nonhormonal illness as in the case of Javier Medina whose childhood leuchemia was treated with drugs that killed his testicles and kept his voice from breaking while the rest of him grew. Not sure what Radu's specific hormonal condition is but, he's what is called an endocrinological castrato.
I agree that people should decide themselves if they want to inform others about something or not. However, I think sometimes it would have been better to do so, so that people will stop coming up with own explanations. soprana53, I wonder, why do you know what it is while most others seem not to? Best wishes.
can the original poster expand? did you mean that he has some unusual hormonal condition (that preserved his higher voice) and he now has to take testosterone?
@sterneflamme I am surprised you call Radu Marian a "counter tenor". He is obviously a Soprano, and that is well pointed out by a number of other knowledgeable commentators. Please read the other comments, and you should see. Also, listen to recordings of Counter tenors, and you should hear the difference. Alvin the squirrel, which you unjustly compare him to, has very different features and is the result of speeding up a recording, which also gives it a nasal sound. Please reconsider.
Just uploaded a new version of "Lascia ch'io pianga" on aliusmodum channel performed by Radu Marian with ensemble aliusmodum Please search for "aliusmodum" on youtube search tool happy listening!
Sopranista is how the counter-tenors are referring to themselves, these days. Counter-tenors are usually baritones who have cultured their falsetto. All baritones have better falsetto than real tenors. It is the nature of the instruments.
But that isn't what you said. You said he isn't a castrato - which he is, due to his voice not changing. And the only system that governs voice change is the endocrinological one - so there ARE endocrinological reasons his voice has stayed that way - no one hasn't found one yet I suppose. But on the other part, I was only pointing out that another term he could be called is "Sopranist" - I wasn't disagreeing about the counter-tenor thing.
I don't think he had the range though, I agree that his voice and that of Maniaci, and/or Medina shouldve been used in that film since they are grown men with unbroken voices and that is what Farinelli was.
While yet untrained, listen to Gregg Pritchard singing Nessun Dorma on a talent show and let me have your comments. Do you hear anything to believe that this young man could be a great star of the future? Browse for Britains Got Talent, Gregg Pritchard. Thanks.
read somewhere that he's going to be performing in Budapest in March. Wish I could go. Remarkable singer. I've yet to find a song of his which I don't find beautifully done. I hope he's going to continue to do more late baroque stuff by more well-known artists. Either way, I'll still be a fan much to my wife's dismay. She can't stand the sound of a male soprano voice. finds it unnatural and creepy.
Hey Take it easy, i never knew he wasn't even a castrato. I was told that i should search for Marian to know how a castrato sounds like. I did not know what to expect and i thought he was a castrato until now. Thanks for the clarification but TAKE IT EASY. Fuck, why all the anger? Btw, yes, i know something about male sopranos, tenors and countertenors, Abel do Nascimento is from my country if you didnt know. Dammit, just calm your ass down.
Though it's only my opinion but why use such words?! His singing is just extremely unusual. Any voice at all can be very appealing to you or on the contrary cause a very negative reaction. It's normal. But it has absolutely nothing to do with what you said.
I am not sure that Jaroussky's technique is totally falsetto - he takes hormones-. In a sense this is somehow related to Radu Marian, but he's got more a "female" than a "child" voice. Look at this: watch?v=9zQX2XqAE8c I would love to see your link - curious to listen to that Tchaikovsky
Sorry, i did not mean to upset you. By endocrynological do you mean his gonads had issues in producing testosterone? If thats the case, maybe he should not be considered a 'castrato' because i believe there was no removal of the testicles.
Thank you for your reply! I am sorry, but I am not registered on Facebook; it's just not my kind of thing. Could you maybe send me a message by e-mail? I'll send you my e-mail address in a personal message (as you didn't mention that you have problems with receiving messages). Please inform me if you get my email or not. It'll be nice to meet you too. Best wishes.
Men actually do normally have a high range through the falsetto and most counter-tenors like Philippe Jaroussky (spelling) and Vitas actually have a well developed baritone voice as well. Also Radu isn't castrato/i he has kallman's and thus his genitals are intact if likely undeveloped. meh personally i like counter-tenors and falsetti better than the sound of Radu.
I've heard him speak on other vids too. There is nothing feminine about that vioce. There's no way he can get that high on a voce piena that low in timbre. If you like a more romantic era sound, perhaps you'll like the main man himself. L'angelo Di Roma, Alessandro Moreschi recorded himself before he died. he was a real evirato cantore (castrato was bad manners): watch?v=M07Qga3LbcM
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Music alone suspends time and for this moment, it certainly stands still. I'm moved to tears and my world has suddenly been undone. Thank you for posting this. It's beyond exquisite....
It's so beautiful and so moving! Clear pure tone! Bravo!
Yes, you are right with this...a wonderful piece of work!
Proud! im sooo proud being romanian because of him. congratulation Raducu!!!
Oh good, that is good news, am learning more about Radu Marian all the time. I have heard older ones on sfkcbf channel and had hoped he would improve. Please excuse my misunderstanding, 1977 (ha ha)
lovely voice! nice rendition, love it.
extraordinariamente bello
magnificent voice, and great rendition. :)
Apparently he's performing Feb 7th and onwards in Estonia. I wonder if someone has the presence of mind to record it in one form or another for future release. It's such a rare and wonderful event that should be immortalised indeed...given that there'd be such beautiful pieces sung there.
Thanks for posting this by the way! :-)
This is amazing!
Amazing! Can't believe human actually can sing like this. Beautiful!
Bravo!!
I would love to hear his speaking voice. Such a nice voice none the less...
Radu Marian is neither a countertenor, nor is he a "castrato." He went through puberty as most men do; however, a severe case of laryngitis both stilled his soprano voice and its ability to extend above C6 (c''') like he could when a boy. The man, along with fellow male soprano Michael Maniaci, were interviewed some years ago apropos their conditions; regretfully, the Web site which transcribed them has long vanished.
amazing
I CRY EVERYTIME I HEAR THIS MUSIC .. I CAN STILL REMEMBER THE MEMORIES OF SS3 MANILA .. KANGIN OPPA, I MISS YOU .. ♥
That high note at 3:05 made my ears ring.
And what are YOU talking about?! I meant the quality of the sound only! Such an amazing crystal-clear pure tone. You heard something about castrati but perhaps forgot that we live in the 21st century. Nobody castrates boys now for the purpose of singing in a high voice. The past is in the past. Radu Marian is only an endocrynological castrato. It's in the voice, not in the body. That's why he sings like that. There are some others who sing in their unbroken voices but his timbre is unique!
Nothing but praise for Jerousky. Absolutely exquisite falsetto on that man. His technique is impeccable. I won't compare him to Radu though because what distinguishes Radu's voice is the fact that it is NOT a falsetto. I've heard Radu really get into a song with a Thaikovsky piece. I'll find and send you the link. I don't speak Russian so, I can only speak to the feeling he gave it not the aria itself. I don't care for Russian opera much though so, you're on your own. :)
He would've been 20 when the movie came out. He was still finishing up his studies but he was already making waves and winning awards at that time. He would've been a perfect age for the role, actually.
Yes, I am aware of the voice synthesis. I still think is sounds great to my ears, rich and full.
His voice is really unique and extraoriginaire. It's almost androgunus. Reminds me if Caetano sings this.
That's what I want, I would sing comme ça.
Yes, you're right, he's good and this recording does not make him justice.
Not so sure about his Ave Maria, though... his portamento-to-a-screamed-high-C sends shivers down my spine :-) and BTW, my opinion here is totally unrelated to being nonreligious - I love sacred music, and singing Bach is one of my highest spiritual experiences.
@soprana53 Sorry about a small correction: a counter-tenor is not automatically a tenor; actually most of them have a baritone chest voice beneath their head voice altus or mezzo-soprano. Contra-tenor means it is the voice which sings "against" the tenor. Latin.
Lascia ch'io pianga mia cruda sorte,
E che sospiri la libertà!
Il duol infranga queste ritorte
de' miei martiri sol per pietà.
Thank you I will hunt it down. He really is Quite enchanting one wonders how close to Farinelli his voice comes. Probably the closest I will hear in my lifetime.
Just noticed it was recorded in 1977, how old would that have made him? I wonder how much his voice may have changed in 30 years. This is a marvellous recording at any age.
True, funny enough that hits close to home as my little step-brother has leukemia and I've noticed despite him being 17 he hasn't quite seemed to go through puberty aside from getting taller. Makes me wonder.
With all due respect: a countertenor is not necessarily only tenors trained to sing in the alto or mezzo range. They can sing as full blown sopranos as well, and it is actually more common for baritones and even basses to sing as a countertenor, despite tenor being in the word "countertenor". They are trained to sing this way through falsetto, however you are right, Mr. Marian here is not one.
Actually, soprana53, a counter-tenor is usually a baritone that has trained to bring the power of his chest-voice (or modal voice) into his falsetto (or upper head-voice). There are actually only few natural tenors who become counter-tenors. It really does sound as if Radu is using his modal/chest rather than a falsetto. On the other hand, though, Alfred Deller never really sang in his lower voice either, but his voice did break; he just kept on singing high although his speaking voice dropped.
I would reiterate the first comment, How old was he or when was this wonderful recording made, truly one of God's miracles.
I never understood that either. Evirato always seemed much more graphic to me but, I didn't invent the appelation, I just read about it and passed it on. =) You'll have to take that up with the long-dead members of 18th and 19th century art music society in Italy.
With all respect: a counter-tenor is, as the name says, a TENOR that is trained to sing up in altus-or mezzo-voice. Radus voice did not change. He kept his soprano-range he had as a boy. There is DEFINITELY no tenor -voice underneath. The reasons are not known, but of course he is´n´t a castrato, you are right with that. Have a nice evening!
He had severe laryngitis as a child, He is not real castrati but He got issues on his voice since childhood, what caused his voice not to change
One can´t compare this voice to any other, because it is unique. But you are aware, I suppose, that the voice in "farinelli" is a fake, it was mixed out of a soprano and a countertenors voice in the studio.
Thank you for your real interest. As I said before, the problem is I will not make it openly. Pity is. with the new design of YT I am not able to post comments on other channels or send a message. Perhaps I am too old:)))). Do you know a way, or better: do you happen to be on Facebook? You will find a lot interesting things there! I suppose it would be nice to meet you. Regards!
That's the one.
Actually Radu can be classed as a castrato - or in his special case a "natural castrato" due to his voice not changing due to endocrinological reasons. And the other correct term for his singing voice is a "sopranist" not a counter-tenor.
Yes, i can hear his boyish voice kind of
Of course, he sings the best version of this song. The most pure voice of all, better than a soprano.
the original fascination of castrato was not the "child" voice but the power of adult voice mixed with the high tones. Only in Rome castratoes sung as female part, en travestie. everywhere else they were "primo uomo"
This is better than countertenor, though the countertenors are becoming better, their voices are noticeably fake if you listen closely.
It is the first time I 'm hearing Radu Marian's voice and, as it is said in the comments, it is unique but I must say that it is not the one I prefer.
@sterneflamme Where do I live? In Texas, for what that's worth. What kind of music do I listen to? A great variety, actually, but my favorite composers are Haydn, Handel,Lully, Mozart, Bach, Beethoven, Vivaldi, Schubert, Dvorak, Brahms, and have a number of others, such as Monteverdi and Purcell. I received your apology and explanation without a problem about the squirrel. You say he is not a soprano, ergo he is not? Again, read the other commenters to see who agrees with you.
You know to be honest I can't recall at moment where I ran into the bit about him and Kallman's but either way it fits the eternal quote of him being an "endocrinological castrato"
Thanks for recommending this. :-)
He sounds more like a treble than an adult male soprano. He has a unique voice but I don't quite like his higher note, they sound edgy and almost uncontrolled?
is there a clean recording of this masterpiece anywhere in the world?
@soprana53 In fact, most counter tenors of today are in natural voice baritones, not tenors.
Know what you mean. Spanish has similar quirks. For people's feet, we use the word Pie with pies as plural. For animals, we use pata with patas being plural. If you want to be rude and demeaning to someone, you refer to their feet as patas unless you happen to be from a family with little education and you and your folks just use the one word for everything.
Also there is the issue of the Baroque counter-tenor... nobody really knows for sure whether they used falsetto or not. Most counter-tenors today do, though. There have been some, like Russell Oberlin, who are 'natural counter-tenors', i.e. they sing only with their chest-voice (or mixed voice for the highest notes) but do not use falsetto.
But it's actually quite hard to tell aurally if a good 'falsettist counter-tenor' is using falsetto or not just from his tone-colour.
Is this the only example of his singing you have heard? I assure you, he is very very good at what he does. He's a bit weak in Voce Di Petto but, overall, I think that you'd find the other examples of his work very satisfactory. Have a listen to the sul margine adoratto posted on youtube or the lamento d'il castrato. His Gounod's Ave Maria is quite beautiful and this is a noncatholic telling you this. Seriously, explore more of his work.
they should have chosen him for Farinelli the film
I quite agree. He could do all the singing himself.
Well, I read an article from a jouirnalist who interviewed him and described him as having "the voice of a eunuch." Radu tells this journalist that he once had a music teacher ask him if he was a woman to which he replied: "If you were younger, I'd show you." As for him being a falsettist, there's no doubt he's not a falsettist. To compare:
watch?v=I2YByhdnXIY
ECCO IL TESTO ITALIANO:
Lascia ch\'io pianga mia cruda sorte,
E che sospiri la libertà!
Il duolo infranga queste ritorte
De\' miei martiri, sol per pietà.
PS: Vorrei augurare a Tutti Veramente un Buon ascolto!
This is true. All men have a falsetto register and many train it to sing in the alto range and soprano range like Scholl and Christofelis. They never gain that distinctive timbre which the full voiced alto and soprano singers have though. And, what's more, falsetista are a dime a dozen whereas men like Radu Marian are exceedingly rare. and, no, he's not castrated, he's an "endocrinological castrato" meaning he's got a deffective pair. Where'd you hear he had Kallman's?
@pavarotiguimaraes Sorry, I don't speak Portuguese; but he is a modal sopranist countertenor, NOT of the endocrinological type (those tend to be short and stocky; I understand he is a tall, rangy fellow.)
Like Indian Hijras? I have heard about Hijras before, but don't know so much about them. If, as you say, women are singing playback to their voices, they must be very good singers!
Hey thanks for recommending this! :)
I've never heard of him before. How does he go about sounding more like a treble than an adult male soprano/countertenor?
He has an intriguing voice but I don't like his interpretation of this aria. And the high notes (around 3:08) have an edge to them, and sound almost uncontrolled.
@jp40798 Radu Marian was born in 1977, so he is 33. And all the rumours about endocrinological "castrato" a mere speculations. There are other reasons why a voice can sound like that.
Well, remember too that he isn't a castrato in the same way the baroque castrati were so, he will sound different. As to the instruction, this is hardly surprising since Moreschi himself didn't have the sort of proper tutilage of a castrato like one of Porpora's students would've had. Vibrato isn't supposed to be very much in evidence in baroque pieces according to what I've read. It came into heavier use in the classical and romantic periods and really took off with Verdi and Puccini's stuff.
OMG, dude. I hope he gets better. I don't think they use the same drugs anymore. Medina was born in 1970 which puts his fight with the disease in late 70's/early 80's. PRetty sure your brother will be fine.
I meant "phrasing", sorry.
By the way, his treble notes are just screams.
thanks - but I was actually referring to someone who claimed Jaroussky needed to take hormones. By the way, has Radu agreed he is some sort of "endrocrinological castrato" and does not use a falsetto technique, or is this just what people assume from his sound? What is his speaking voice like?
no, it is not Kallmans syndrome. In fact, I know what it is, but I definitely will NOT tell it openly. If Radu would want to make it public, he would do so. Regards.
Voce impressionante! Forse la voce dei cantori evirati (Castrati) doveva essere simile o uguale alla sua!
I think his voice is the closes to castrati voice we can get
I think they are different voices. Scholl for example has more profound a tone. Jaroussky is a wonderful singer also, nobody can deny his technic. Actually Radu Marian is unique. Unique.
When I mention the brilliant movie 'Antichrist'...?
It is just a question of linguistic feeling... in Italian, "castrato" is commonly used for beasts, while "evirato" is used only for men; the first is a popular term, while the latter is a more educated because of its clear latin origin.
... listen to Jaroussky and tell me what you think.
I saw him last Sunday: Vivaldi "la fida ninfa". Spectacular.
How do you figure? Farinelli had his debut in his teens and was in his very early twenties when he was in England. Radu Marian released his first album at 23 and had been performing earlier than that. Are you thinking of women's voices? Do THEY not mature at 20? Please remember that we are talking about male sopranos which aren't technically natural and could be argued to be voices that never fully matured since adult men (20-year-old men) typically have tenor to bass voices.
Blavo!
Correct. I do, however, think Maniaci could sing alto or contralto were he so taught instead of using his voice much as a female soprano would use it. Last castrato to sing contralto and soprano was Salvatori who died in 1909. Started at the Cappella Giulia as contralto and finished at Sistina as soprano.
The last castrati was Alessandro Moreschi, who died in 1922
If he took testosterone, he'd lose that voice he has. Some people are born with a condition that prevents their testicles from working properly. That or they have this happen as a result of treatment for a nonhormonal illness as in the case of Javier Medina whose childhood leuchemia was treated with drugs that killed his testicles and kept his voice from breaking while the rest of him grew. Not sure what Radu's specific hormonal condition is but, he's what is called an endocrinological castrato.
I agree that people should decide themselves if they want to inform others about something or not. However, I think sometimes it would have been better to do so, so that people will stop coming up with own explanations.
soprana53, I wonder, why do you know what it is while most others seem not to?
Best wishes.
@Pre114 absolutely! Countertenors in my opinion pale in comparison.....
can the original poster expand? did you mean that he has some unusual hormonal condition (that preserved his higher voice) and he now has to take testosterone?
@sterneflamme I am surprised you call Radu Marian a "counter tenor". He is obviously a Soprano, and that is well pointed out by a number of other knowledgeable commentators. Please read the other comments, and you should see. Also, listen to recordings of Counter tenors, and you should hear the difference. Alvin the squirrel, which you unjustly compare him to, has very different features and is the result of speeding up a recording, which also gives it a nasal sound. Please reconsider.
How old was he when he sang this??
Just uploaded a new version of "Lascia ch'io pianga" on aliusmodum channel performed by Radu Marian with ensemble aliusmodum
Please search for "aliusmodum" on youtube search tool
happy listening!
Sopranista is how the counter-tenors are referring to themselves, these days. Counter-tenors are usually baritones who have cultured their falsetto. All baritones have better falsetto than real tenors. It is the nature of the instruments.
So, you've spoken to/listened to many Indian eunuchs in your life?
But that isn't what you said.
You said he isn't a castrato - which he is, due to his voice not changing. And the only system that governs voice change is the endocrinological one - so there ARE endocrinological reasons his voice has stayed that way - no one hasn't found one yet I suppose.
But on the other part, I was only pointing out that another term he could be called is "Sopranist" - I wasn't disagreeing about the counter-tenor thing.
@sterneflamme That's a judgement only a squirrel could make, poor animal.
@sterneflamme You call a squirrel a dog and a soprano a counter tenor? Look at the other comments, read them, and you will see you are mistaken.
I don't think he had the range though, I agree that his voice and that of Maniaci, and/or Medina shouldve been used in that film since they are grown men with unbroken voices and that is what Farinelli was.
i liked it, but it was a little heavy on the vibrato.
His tone reminds me a lot of Sarah brightman, that same ethereal feel. Maybe sarah Brightman really sounds like a sopranist?
That is just what I said---he is NOT a counter-tenor. And, once again: there are NO endocrinological reasons why his voice is that way. Regards.
While yet untrained, listen to Gregg Pritchard singing Nessun Dorma on a talent show and let me have your comments. Do you hear anything to believe that this young man could be a great star of the future? Browse for Britains Got Talent, Gregg Pritchard. Thanks.
See and hear him live in this clip and tell me if you feel the same. Very sweet singing, I thought.
watch?v=0cJKD-9SJBc
read somewhere that he's going to be performing in Budapest in March. Wish I could go. Remarkable singer. I've yet to find a song of his which I don't find beautifully done. I hope he's going to continue to do more late baroque stuff by more well-known artists. Either way, I'll still be a fan much to my wife's dismay. She can't stand the sound of a male soprano voice. finds it unnatural and creepy.
Hey Take it easy, i never knew he wasn't even a castrato. I was told that i should search for Marian to know how a castrato sounds like. I did not know what to expect and i thought he was a castrato until now. Thanks for the clarification but TAKE IT EASY. Fuck, why all the anger? Btw, yes, i know something about male sopranos, tenors and countertenors, Abel do Nascimento is from my country if you didnt know. Dammit, just calm your ass down.
I think I found it: watch?v=E27erGPLhzQ
Remarcably pure
Ei? Qual é a classificação vocal dele?
Nossa parece q é castrado!
Bravo..
Though it's only my opinion but why use such words?! His singing is just extremely unusual. Any voice at all can be very appealing to you or on the contrary cause a very negative reaction. It's normal. But it has absolutely nothing to do with what you said.
I am not sure that Jaroussky's technique is totally falsetto - he takes hormones-. In a sense this is somehow related to Radu Marian, but he's got more a "female" than a "child" voice.
Look at this: watch?v=9zQX2XqAE8c
I would love to see your link - curious to listen to that Tchaikovsky
Sorry, i did not mean to upset you. By endocrynological do you mean his gonads had issues in producing testosterone? If thats the case, maybe he should not be considered a 'castrato' because i believe there was no removal of the testicles.
Thank you for your reply!
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@sterneflamme u say he is not a true male soprano and that he is not a great singer but can u do this?NO #DISMISSED,LOL
Men actually do normally have a high range through the falsetto and most counter-tenors like Philippe Jaroussky (spelling) and Vitas actually have a well developed baritone voice as well. Also Radu isn't castrato/i he has kallman's and thus his genitals are intact if likely undeveloped. meh personally i like counter-tenors and falsetti better than the sound of Radu.
I've heard him speak on other vids too. There is nothing feminine about that vioce. There's no way he can get that high on a voce piena that low in timbre. If you like a more romantic era sound, perhaps you'll like the main man himself. L'angelo Di Roma, Alessandro Moreschi recorded himself before he died. he was a real evirato cantore (castrato was bad manners):
watch?v=M07Qga3LbcM