BUDGET or Just Plain BAD?...Winchester vs Remington .40S&W Self-Defense AMMO Test!

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  • @willypp13
    @willypp13 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +94

    Support this gentleman guys, he helps our community a ton with his research and testing

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Thank you sir.😎👊

    • @Ali-ym8ny
      @Ali-ym8ny 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Helps me for sure special when my old lady louder Im watchin my fever Tols & Target.

  • @ogbobbye
    @ogbobbye 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

    I'm in my 60's if you think about it for 30 + years these companies have been ripping me off with this junk. before youtube we depended on ads in outdoor and gun magazines and the testing done by those same magazines who depended on those ad revenues to stay in business. I'm guessing there were guys like you doing fair and honest testing but they had no way to have there voices heard. keep doing what your doing and Merry Christmas to you.

    • @joeyphillips1181
      @joeyphillips1181 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It's easy to get into testing them yourself with water jugs

    • @daviddanner-n8i
      @daviddanner-n8i หลายเดือนก่อน

      Tools, good video !!
      Question: These ammo co. are not good. They should not cost more than
      $5.00 per 100 rounds .JIMO😮

  • @noahmercy-mann4323
    @noahmercy-mann4323 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +50

    Thank you for the test, partner. Pretty much reinforces my opinion that unless it's a premium bullet, the 40 isn't particularly useful with the 180s. On the flip side, most 155-165 grain loads do well, even if it's not a "top shelf" load. Hope you and yours have a very Merry Christmas!

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Thank you sir!💥🎄💥

    • @richb.4374
      @richb.4374 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      In my .40 pistols the 155 to 165 grain rounds always seem to perform the best also. I'm not a fan of the lighter .40 rounds or the 180's.

    • @acid6urns
      @acid6urns 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      the energy differences between most big name brands 40 sw in 180gr vs 165 gr is absolutely disgusting imo. most 180s barely even crack 400 ft lbs, whereas plenty of 155/165s are pushing 450+ and some well over 480-500+

  • @nigeltheoutlaw
    @nigeltheoutlaw 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +65

    Both in 9mm did well enough to be trusted (Winchester a bit better in my opinion), but these forties are definitely disappointing. Sorry these rounds ruined your future tests, but I appreciate you trying these regardless.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Thank you sir. Surprised how bad these were.

    • @usernamesrlamo
      @usernamesrlamo 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Yes the Winchester 9mm white box HP have always performed quite well. Never have seen a need to spend more for nominal better performance.

    • @WarriorSoul357
      @WarriorSoul357 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@usernamesrlamo This kind of goes against the argument "The same technology goes into every caliber" doesn't it?

    • @WarriorSoul357
      @WarriorSoul357 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah, I've seen some tests where teh whitebox stuff does ok. In 9mm. This .40 test tho... they pretty much FLUNKED.

    • @johnmikel5934
      @johnmikel5934 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Underloaded rounds, poor bullet construction, zero quality control.

  • @dougcutler4948
    @dougcutler4948 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    I'm pretty surprised with these results. The 40 is usually a great performer in any ammo series. I'll stick with HST or some higher end stuff. Thanks for the video!

    • @rsbreeze
      @rsbreeze 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      .40 sucks tho

    • @dougcutler4948
      @dougcutler4948 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@rsbreeze Thanks for your insightful opinion mrsbreeze.

    • @PerceptionVsReality333
      @PerceptionVsReality333 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ​@@rsbreeze
      No it doesn't, with the right ammo it outperforms 9mm & 45acp. Police got the highest one shot stops with 40s&w right behind 357mag, but too many limp-wrist wimps joined law enforcement & couldn't handle it so PDs switched to 9mm.

  • @JJ_SDWR
    @JJ_SDWR 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    Interesting. The WWB 9mm 147 seemed to do good and the Remington WB in 38 +P is good stuff too. Looks like they don't have the recipe quite right in 40. Good stuff

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yeah, I was surprised by these.

    • @PassivePortfolios
      @PassivePortfolios 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Hard to believe that the 147 JHP 9 mm showed any expansion. Evidently the ammo makers put in some extra effort into the R&D of the 9 mm bullets while the 180 grain JHP .40 S&W are an afterthought.

  • @BatColonyEvictor
    @BatColonyEvictor 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Thanks for keeping up with 40 S&W ammo tests! So many others focus so much on just 9mm. There's a lot of us that like 40 and carry it daily.

  • @HeartsOfDarkness
    @HeartsOfDarkness 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Test after test and I always come back to the tried and true Federal HST. Looking forward to test in the new year.
    Happy Holidays.

  • @Brad1237202
    @Brad1237202 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Thanks for taking the time to make this video for us Brother!! Love that hat!

  • @Mbartel500
    @Mbartel500 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    In a full size Glock, that ammo should be hitting 1050-1075 fps. But even if it was going that fast, I don't think either one of those loads would open up like they are supposed to.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, they sure didn't get it right this time.😆

    • @rsbreeze
      @rsbreeze 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Full sized Glock has left the chat!

  • @ronaldbarnes8302
    @ronaldbarnes8302 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Had high hopes for these “budget” rounds. Very disappointing as I’ve always liked the 40 cal. Thanks for the jelly test Tools, and have a Merry Christmas!

  • @furmanmackey5479
    @furmanmackey5479 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I feel any .40S&W load is better than any 9 Minimal load. HOWEVER, I would just as soon load my faithful old Smith in .40S&W with FPFMJ rounds in the heavier bullet weights than the stuff you were kind enough to test for us. The .40S&W "sweet spot", when it comes to true defensive bullets, seems to be in the 135 to 165grn range with my personal preference being 155grn. If I were to go with a 185grn load for personal defense, I'd have to break out a pistol in .45ACP. I must say though, that I'm more convinced than ever that the various major (best known/recognized) ammunition manufacturers are downloading all handgun ammo regardless of caliber even some of, if not all, the once mighty magnum calibers. Thanks for yet another excellent video and The Lovely Bride and I wish you and yours a Very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! Speaking of which, don't forget those turnip greens and black-eyed peas.

  • @geneotrexler8246
    @geneotrexler8246 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Good video 👍
    Your test showed us that both these bullets performed like an FMJ bullet.

  • @effeojnedib7208
    @effeojnedib7208 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Thanks for your test and sharing. 20 and 30 years ago, I had problems with Remington rifle ammo, but Winchester seemed to perform much better, both on whitetails. With the way these both performed in 180 grain .40, FMJ would do about as well.

  • @g54b95
    @g54b95 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    'Fail Fest' I'm gonna have to remember that one. Thanks for all the hard work you do, brother! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

  • @BEFOREANDAFTERCONSTRUCTION
    @BEFOREANDAFTERCONSTRUCTION 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Never miss a video. Best ballistic gel tests on TH-cam. No bs atraight to the point thank you. I would love to see a video of black hills 5.56 62gr dual performance and drt 223 79 grain elite performance. A buddy of mine is a big hunter and swears by that drt round love to see how that stacks up to your traditional hollow point. Thanks for all the great content

  • @SteveBrownBrownSupportKY
    @SteveBrownBrownSupportKY 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Very shocked that both had bad results, but glad I have your tests as references to help my customers.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I expected decent stuff from these. Merry Christmas, brother!💥🎄💥

    • @SteveBrownBrownSupportKY
      @SteveBrownBrownSupportKY 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ToolsandTargets Merry Christmas!!!

  • @edaddy98
    @edaddy98 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks!

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you sir! Appreciate that.😎👊

  • @garygates5679
    @garygates5679 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    THANK YOU TOOL ..!!!! YOU SHOW ME WHY I SHOOT ""40 PUNCH "" ...!!!!! GREAT VIDEO ..!!!!!

  • @MrSumGuns
    @MrSumGuns 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for doing all these 40 tests as that is what I carry and every manufacturer has made this round the red headed step child. Great video as always!

  • @chretired
    @chretired 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Pitifull results Tools. This is getting to be like going to the grocery store, higher prices for less quantity. Manufactures, load the round to its potential and make sure it performs the way it should or don't make it at all.
    Merry Christmas Tools.
    Be vigilant and always be safe my friend.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you sir. You too!💥🎄💥

  • @richardpetervonrahden6393
    @richardpetervonrahden6393 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you for the solid tests. The radar chrony is a great feature of your videos. Thanks for highlighting bad as well as good products.

  • @scarifrougeone7225
    @scarifrougeone7225 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Well, both ammo’s have stuck out. Game over. I was wondering about those HP’s in the standard white boxes. Was thinking exactly what happened in the test. Not worth the HP price difference. Thanks for the 100% spot on testing and commentary. Very interesting. I shoot jugs of water with those and some steel. Be safe. ⭐️🇺🇸⭐️🇺🇸

  • @dainearmstrong4598
    @dainearmstrong4598 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I had bought some winchester white 40 s&w yrs ago for my first ccw. They were hollow point and cheap so i thought why not. Decided to test them out on some expired turkey, hog head, and brisket. Was very disappointed, the entire box of 50 only 4 expanded a moderate amount. The rest just pushed the hollow to an oval shape and tumbled. Watching these videos and testing myself I've decided HST, Critical Duty, and Gold Dot are my go to for edc for more common off the shelf ammo. Lehigh, underwood, and Buffalo bore for less common.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Shame they got these so wrong.

  • @bdub0983
    @bdub0983 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Hey man, idk if you take any requests, but I'd like to see any 9mm pcc at 100 yards hollow point in gel. I want to see if they'll expand at 100 yards. Ive looked it up and can't find a shred of information. Maybe try something premium and something budget friendly as far as ammo goes. But I wanna know if that extra velocity will allow the rounds to be at the speed they need to for expansion at 100 yards. Thanks again man, love your channel. Been a subscriber for years.

  • @bisleyblackhawk1288
    @bisleyblackhawk1288 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Your channel has the best ammunition content on the Tube Of You…Merry Christmas to you and yours 😊😊😊

  • @deejayimm
    @deejayimm 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    These tests never cease to impress me.
    When I was younger, I would never have though it possible that a slower round would penetrate farther than a faster round.
    Bullets do weird things.

  • @marksini3598
    @marksini3598 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Nice work as usual. Love your vids

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Appreciate that.😎👊

  • @themoe6701
    @themoe6701 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Good job, sir! Merry Christmas to you and yours!

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You too, my friend!💥🎄💥

  • @tubbyshvfd9110
    @tubbyshvfd9110 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Merry Christmas Tools

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you sir. Same to you!💥🎄💥

  • @allenbolen9705
    @allenbolen9705 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Definitely like seeing the short barrel tested with the 4 inch! Pitiful performance!🤯

  • @djangofreeman9382
    @djangofreeman9382 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Nice test Tools you absolutely rock Man!!! I’m surprised to see the .40 did so terrible. After watching some of your older vids last week I did a 9mm 115 white box JHP test and they performed pretty good. Only 11” of penetration but decent .58 caliber expansion… I know they make bigger and more powerful calibers than 9mm but it just seems that most loads chambered in “Nina” work better🤔💭

  • @erichanson7293
    @erichanson7293 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for testing these. I have no experience with the Remington load in 40 S&W, but I am familiar with the Winchester load and have tested it out of a Glock 23 in clear ballistics gel using the FBI thick clothing protocol. It got 15.75 " of penetration and expanded to 0.71" at 983 FPS. To me, that's more than acceptable performance.
    I'm just an amateur bullet tester and don't have videos and probably never will; guys like you do such a good job of covering the subject.
    Occasionally, i come across a test like this that contradicts my own testing of a particular load and I wonder what the heck? Based on your results, I would never carry them. Based on mine, I would if I could not get Golden Sabers or HSTs or Gold Dots. I think I read on a forum that some Police departments used these to good effect while they were issuing the .40. Makes me wonder what has changed.

  • @dxcreetegr7066
    @dxcreetegr7066 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Thanks for the useful input tools looks like I will keep using my favorite so far 165g V crown’s❤

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😎👊

    • @get_it_done4580
      @get_it_done4580 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      100%. I use the 180 grn though for my EDC

  • @adamthomson2873
    @adamthomson2873 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Excellent review. Thanks

  • @rjw261984
    @rjw261984 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Damn, thats pitiful. Those are some expensive target rounds. 🇺🇸

  • @michaelbarfield528
    @michaelbarfield528 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Great review! As you implied...Budget and Bad!! Although great for practice/training despite the personal protection advertisement on the box....👍👍👍👍

  • @johnw4999
    @johnw4999 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I appreciate the lab radar as I’m probably the only one who wants to know the internal and external ballistics of a bullet throughout the effective range of it. Even for defense, we’ve seen justified 40+ yd scenarios. Most are close range, but never know. Train accordingly.

  • @anton1949
    @anton1949 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Win. white box really are snappy.

  • @TopoftheHill7484
    @TopoftheHill7484 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have a Taurus G2C .40 s&w, I'd love to know what performed in it, right now it's loaded with 165 gr Federal Punch. My wife has and old s&w model 411 in 40 s&w and that old gun shoots anything and accurately.

  • @rsbreeze
    @rsbreeze 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Merry Christmas......40 ain't 10mm......sorry!

  • @johnnymccann5607
    @johnnymccann5607 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    so often you have proved not all hp ammunition is equal. although I rarely buy factory ammunition your honest tests all me to not waste my money reload ing those bullets. like you I don't want failure bullets. thank you so much for your tests. Papa wishing you well 😊

  • @kimness7796
    @kimness7796 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nice test, thanks! Just bought 4 boxes of Fed HST 165's at $29 ea. I think they work.

  • @paulmo-we1mw
    @paulmo-we1mw 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Hey Tools, Winchester white box is good stuff. Better than having nothing at all. Keep up the good work Sir! 💥💥💥👍👍👊

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They sure didn't do the job this time around.😆

    • @gbart7857
      @gbart7857 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They went "bang" and would have stopped a threat. There is better, more consistently expanding ammo out there (for a price), but this punched holes in the gel.

  • @Rampant_Colt
    @Rampant_Colt 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Fun fact: the Winchester USA ammo is the original .40 S&W cartridge

  • @OldTimeRevolver
    @OldTimeRevolver 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The "Quest for the Best" jelly time continues.
    Merry Christmas Tools!

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you sir!💥🎄💥

  • @BulletsB4Guns_2A
    @BulletsB4Guns_2A 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Battle of the standards... Cool video Tools

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you sir. Appreciate that.😎👊

  • @mayorhaggar1275
    @mayorhaggar1275 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    With flat points, you shouldn't need hollow points as much.

  • @twistedfocus
    @twistedfocus 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hey look, it’s what most manufacturers think 10mm is! 😂

  • @Paladin1873
    @Paladin1873 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Would it kill ammo maker to list average velocities out of 2", 3", 4", and 5" pistols?

  • @tommylitchfield3450
    @tommylitchfield3450 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This was a big surprise to me. I haven't tried the UMC JHP, but I have shot both 115 and 147 WWB in 9mm and in water jugs, both rounds expanded very well. The 147s had some odd, lop-sided expansion in one round, but it still expanded to at least .425 to .450 in the poorest performing round. They definitely dropped the ball on these .40s for sure! Maybe the bullets were designed for 10mm back in the good ol days of HOT 10mms, but it sure seems odd for both companies to fail the same way.... This just goes to show how valuable good testing like this is for every round. It is clearly a mistake to believe that if one round does well in one caliber, then it should perform equally well in another caliber like you might think. Thanks, Tools for doing these eye opening tests. Who woulda thunk it, that both companies would sell such poor performers! These look like them green box Sierras in 9mm from the ammo crunch days a couple of years ago.

  • @Dwayne7834
    @Dwayne7834 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Good test. Ammo certainly isn’t one that I would carry. Thanks for the video and Merry Christmas to you and your family. 👍🇺🇸

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you sir!💥🎄💥

  • @WarriorSoul357
    @WarriorSoul357 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I mean... a hole in somebody is a hole in somebody. And while I know it's frustrating as can be in your gel blocks, I'd almost be willing to take a bit of that side travel inside of a bad guy. But with that much penetration as those were getting, it makes it a lot more dangerous to things behind or beside the bad guy.
    Really revealing test on this one, Tools. Sorry for your brand new blocks, but considering how bad these rounds were, it's really good to know that they don't work as they should. Particularly when they're in the range of better ammunition prices.

  • @Bob-lq9ys
    @Bob-lq9ys 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Looks like its plinking ammo, good test / bad results. Glad to see a video since its been a few days and I was hoping you was ok. Have a Merry Christmas

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you sir. Merry Christmas!

  • @noelflow-uy6ev
    @noelflow-uy6ev 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I thought the results would’ve been better, but enough said with the results… Thanks for the testing, no second guessing on these ammo.

  • @mozzberg590
    @mozzberg590 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    While a G27 would make sense, the G22 is far more common in night stands and glove boxes (like my night stand).

  • @gsw313
    @gsw313 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I am surprised as i have tested both through a springfield xds 3.3 and they both peal back completely covering the base . But thats why you have to check you loads . I have tested hst and ranger as well with great results. The one load that has completely sucked for me is critical defense 40s&w that supposedly works through short barrels.

  • @deenell9039
    @deenell9039 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I try to stay away from narrow pointed hollows. Especially in .40 s&w. Wide cavity low grain rounds is the way to go.

  • @jimmydunn3775
    @jimmydunn3775 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Merry Christmas!!!

  • @cousinvinnie2180
    @cousinvinnie2180 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent test and results....Thank you for your time and efforts making these presentations.

  • @rockin870
    @rockin870 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I would assume that Remington is using a faster powder, hence the harsher recoil impulse, while having lower velocity. Nosler jhps are my go to for "budget" stockplie loading. Accurate as can be and opens through denim. For serious use/carry, loading HSTs for sure....definitely the gold standard.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Would make sense.😎👊

  • @gwidwock
    @gwidwock 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I enjoyed the video. Surprised on the bad performance. Maybe a bad lot? Hard to believe 40 S&W performed like that.

  • @billss396
    @billss396 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have both these rounds. FMJs with HP prices.

  • @jimheatherton7155
    @jimheatherton7155 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’ve tested the wwb in my G-22 in meat targets and it did really well. Pork loin and pork ribs watermelon middle then ribs n loin on back. Expanded little over 600 thousand. And kept jacket. I never tested umc. I don’t do gel tests meat n bones. I’d try them again in a different target.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      These tests are all set up identical to compare rounds against other rounds. These things did absolutely horrible compared to nearly every other .40S&W round I have tested. I don't need to shoot Sunday dinner to know they are trash.

  • @skydivin0788
    @skydivin0788 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What are your thoughts about NORMA - ASO - 380 AUTO - 65 GRAIN - FRANGIBLE ammo? Do you have a video on those? I couldn't find if ya do.

  • @stefanocappella9612
    @stefanocappella9612 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What are the best expanding 40 s/w bullets

  • @DeadCenterReviews
    @DeadCenterReviews 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome video as always. Thank you for putting in the work for all of us. Do you have a video testing Winchester defender elite in 38+p? How do we go about sending you stuff to test? Thanks again and have a wonderful Christmas.

  • @charlesmckinley29
    @charlesmckinley29 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Tools saving us money again! Might as well run FMJ if you get FMJ performance.

  • @toddparsons2980
    @toddparsons2980 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for the test.

  • @dennispresley6994
    @dennispresley6994 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    man i love your videos . i have a sig 2022 40 cal have never seen it tested .i love it .hope to see you try it out

  • @curtk8130
    @curtk8130 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Sucks because white box 40sw is solid range ammo in fmj. The performance is fine I just think it’s a crappy jhp.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, bullet seems to be the problem to me.

  • @deletdis6173
    @deletdis6173 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Crazy how much better the 9mm defensive ammunition seems in budget brands when compared to .40 S&W. Interesting.

  • @Sambo169
    @Sambo169 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So what is the best .40s&w ammunition?

  • @jamesheath1836
    @jamesheath1836 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I like the intro into the UMC chrono. Please Glock 27, and thank as always Tools

  • @realistb8875
    @realistb8875 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Merry Christmas cowboy 🤠 to you and your family 🎄

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you sir!💥🎄💥

  • @johnb7430
    @johnb7430 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I looked, but didnt see my 2 carry rounds in 40sw. Winchester PDX1 bonded in 180gr and 165gr Ranger (law enforcement ammo in the brown box)- not the black box T series. Have you tested from 3" tools?

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'll have to look and see.😎👍

    • @johnb7430
      @johnb7430 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ToolsandTargets thanks! I'm hoping they perform better than the "FMJ" you tested today !

  • @radomguy9678
    @radomguy9678 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have not read other comments but I have to wonder if something is going on with the barrel of your Glock 22. It seems far too coincidental for both bullets to spin off target like that. Especially since Remington is a Vista Outdoors company using vista outdoors bullets, and the Winchester use’s Winchester/Olin bullets. In other words, they use different bullets.
    I would say that this warrants another test, maybe using an FMJ RN or FP bullet from that Glock.
    Actually my first thought was that I was wondering if something was off with that particular batch of ballistic gel. Maybe that sounds silly, but again, it’s just too much of a coincidence that both brands of ammo with their respective bullets performed almost exactly the same, irregularly.

  • @stevenkennedy4130
    @stevenkennedy4130 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Most eXcellent my dude! Thanks for the share!!

  • @rangetime6779
    @rangetime6779 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As you said both didn't perform. Might as well buy cheaper FMJ for practice and high end bullets for defense.

  • @fivepointbuddah6295
    @fivepointbuddah6295 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I refuse to buy umc ever again. The rounds I got were so smokey and 1 round out of each magazine failed to eject. I don't think it was my tool because it has eaten every other round I've ever thrown at it without issue.

  • @jeffreyrobertson7652
    @jeffreyrobertson7652 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Another good ammo testing video Boom I really like watching them Tools Stay Safe Stay 2A Strong 🇺🇸

  • @edwardbiasi37
    @edwardbiasi37 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That's crazy! Both those rounds did very well in 9mm and 45acp! Poor, poor 40s&w

    • @FirstLastt
      @FirstLastt 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What’s poor about 40s&w

  • @JR-yn4cu
    @JR-yn4cu 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You haven’t done tests with Norma’s Safeguard ammunition before have you? They are more of a traditional JHP, not their MHP. I’m seeing some boxes of 50 for around $20 right now, so I’m sure it’s probably not the best defensive ammunition. Anyways thanks for doing what you do. You and the great Paul Harrell are the only ones I watch for actual, non-biased, ballistics tests. 👊

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'll have to take a look.😎👊

  • @765outdoors
    @765outdoors 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Shocked with the wwb, I just shot one in water jugs a few days ago and it even fragmented. Have you thought about about trying some of these fails in organic gel?

  • @Cr0wmagnum
    @Cr0wmagnum 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Better than nothing. If you get them cheap enough, then use that stuff for functioning and reliability testing. I thought surly that U.M.C would do ok.

  • @gonzogriff
    @gonzogriff 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just curious, how many blocks of gel have you used up? Is it just the same blocks reused every time?

  • @3rdpig
    @3rdpig 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I was expecting it to perform as good or better than the 9mm versions. These shouldn't be any more expensive than their FMJ offerings as it's little more than range or training ammo.

  • @joeyphillips1181
    @joeyphillips1181 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I still think 40 is a more potent round than 9mm.. it all just comes down to ammo choice.. a 165 grain HST in 40 still opens up like twice as much as a 9mm HST or gold dot.. out of all the personal tests i have done that 165 grain HST opened up bigger than anything.. even 10mm HST & some 45 ACP loads & 9mm gold dots & HST's.. every caliber has ammo that doesn't work like it should i wouldn't hold that against the caliber but hold it against these companies for not loading the ammo right with good projectiles.. and every once in awhile you will find a budget option that does work and thats awesome when you can but thats not always gonna be the case so the high end stuff should still always be your 1st choice

  • @hks956
    @hks956 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    WWB is the only ammo I regularly see that has bad rounds. Bad primers I dont know but sometimes those bullets just dont shoot in all sorts of guns and they look fine on inspection. Been that way for my 25 years experience of shooting at the range.

  • @Zombie_Xin
    @Zombie_Xin 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just saw Winchester white box 40 S&W for $38 a box and Federal HST for $29 on target sports USA. This is wild.

  • @garrettschienschang7898
    @garrettschienschang7898 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    With how good the 9mm, 357, and 38 variations of these do I’m disappointed. Hopefully I can find you did a 45 test and see how those do.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Haven't done the .45 yet but will be soon.😎👍

    • @garrettschienschang7898
      @garrettschienschang7898 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ToolsandTargets also merry Christmas

  • @adonikam1
    @adonikam1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Another EXCELLENT VIDEO!

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Appreciate that!😎👊

  • @mybuickskill6979
    @mybuickskill6979 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Some of these HP aren't meant for expansion, some are intended for accuracy. I carry GD or hornady CD you're more assured to get better performance for the purpose of defense.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      These are defensive rounds meant to expand. They just failed, period.

    • @mybuickskill6979
      @mybuickskill6979 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ToolsandTargets quite clearly, failed. 🤔

  • @steelpunisher6944
    @steelpunisher6944 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Well it sucks that they did so poorly. You gave them every chance possible but every time you fired I was cracking up seeing it fly out the side and top. You kept your composure well my friend lol. I would’ve been cussing and ranting 😂. I have both of these so range fun they are. Awesome video as always 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      There was quite a bit of editing out "colorful" language.😆😆😆

  • @tommycarter4629
    @tommycarter4629 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Merry Christmas

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you sir!💥🎄💥

  • @Adam-nv9zo
    @Adam-nv9zo 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I would say they'd be good for target practice, but given the fact that the meplat probably isn't close enough as far as shape and form to create any real uniformity the higher price just isn't justified in no matter how i look at it lol.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Definitely not a bargain anymore.😣

  • @sammyprestwood3182
    @sammyprestwood3182 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I know one thing arms core 22 long Riffle is nothing but garbage i just tried a box of 50 out in my tx22 and had 10 duds out of 50 some were loaded light others were supercharged thanks for the video when 40 cal looks that bad in A gel test it's getting Pitiful

  • @kevanhubbard9673
    @kevanhubbard9673 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Looks like you have a mixture of Cirrius and Cirrocumulus way above your head.High pressure therefore good shooting weather!

  • @seanrich1367
    @seanrich1367 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for testing. IMO they shorted on powder charge, or used the wrong type. Jack up the charge, they are flying to slow.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Definitely didn't do it.

  • @PassivePortfolios
    @PassivePortfolios 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bullet failure ! This is why the law enforcement agencies which still use the .40 S&W (but many are dropping it in favor of 9 mm) are using the lighter weight 155-165 grain bullets. Those lighter bullets at higher velocity have better expansion. The 180s are too slow to expand. Thanks for another excellent test.