Just a small correction: the one that was doing the counting on the backing track for the orchestra in 'A Day in the Life' was Mal Evans, not Geoff Emerick.
Great comments. Thanks for this. I think the CD (super deluxe) release is fine for me (and have been very happy with it). I do have a quality turntable and maybe if they just released it as single vinyl (as you suggested) I may have been tempted to have picked it up. But I agree with you, the 2 records in the vinyl release pushes the price point beyond something I'm unwilling tolerate. I would rather spend my money on other music. I can't wait for more CD vs. vinyl comparisons.
Great video, thanks so much. Hope you do more soon. PS visited Abbey Road studio two back in 1982, listened to many out takes from the original master tapes, something i will never forget.
I totally agree with you on the new vinyl. One record, less cost. The whole promotion pitch was to include Strawberry Fields & Penny Lane and they weren't even there.
I recently got Sgt Pepper's new mono version with the box set and I like it, just ordered the new stereo vinyl. I also have a good new turntable and I am always thinking whether to just buy old analog pressings and cd's for the digital masters, I guess it depends on the specific releases and hopefully the recent return of vinyl will encourage better production quality releases.
Tim, I agree so much about your feelings at the end. I was super frustrated the session disc didn't include strawberry and penny lane. I really don't wanna pay the $40 flipped price for the rsd single :/
Actually, the 2009 remasters were using the UK Stereo Mixes, not the US Stereo Mixes. The US Mixes were used on the original Capitol Album Vol 1 and 2 that came out between 2002-2004.
I don't think they ever did a dedicated US Mix. There simply wasn't time allotted for something like that. There are major differences in the sound due to the way these were mastered for Vinyl and the quality of the pressings which rendered the UK LP superior in my opinion, but no, they never did dedicated mixes for each continent. Stereo versions were the afterthought anyway. It's inconceivable that they would be done a second time.
horowizard not remixed in the US, but they added masses of reverb, and the panning of the instruments was different, also the track listing especially in the early LPs is different.
@@milesanddizzy - there IS no US mix of Sgt. Peppers. No extra reverb, no track changes by order of the Beatles themselves. US pressings did not contain the runout groove piece, but otherwise the US mono & stereo pressings are from identical tapes.
I like the original mono best, but also recommend checking out the 5.1 surround mix that comes with the super deluxe set. BTW, Sam Okell is the remix engineer, Giles the producer.
Hi TJR yours is a very fair review and has encouraged me to buy the vinyl. I have a Project Carbon deck. It's a shame the mainstream stores are dominated by the Crossley decks, the younger generation may be disappointed in vinyl because of them. Carry on reviewing !
Great point on the 2LP issue. My preference if they were doing 2LP would be for the 2nd LP to be the Mono Mix, especially considering how ridiculously expensive the 2014 mix is online.
Picked up the stereo remix lp of Sgt Pepper yesterday at an actual store. We all need to throw off the yoke of our digital overlords and go to physical stores now! Have a nice day.
I own it on both and i too felt the record had a crisper sound to it. Another thing... My ocd was going nuts the way you replaced the packaging sticker lobsided. I put mine back on the sleeve it goes inside of. Lol. Great review. :-)
'warmer and richer' is also the way your record player sounds vs your CD Player. There's also record players (or rather; Combinations of player, cart and preamp) that will sound thinner and harsher than any CD player. There's no denying the compression on the CD though. Also kind of 'hilarious' how they always said CD's have a better channel separation yet they compressed both channels in such a way that the soft parts on each channel were limited hard to that maximum of 0dB, causing you to have pretty much no channel separation whatsoever. That said, even with a good mix I don't really like a CD. It doesn't have to be harsh, it doesnt'have to be thin, it doesn't have to be compressed. Yet there's no getting around the fact that 44.100 bits of audio per second just isn't quite enough to give a 'smooth' sounding performance. I did hear CD players (The Ayre C7xe is a good example) that got close to a decent record player, but not in the same price range :).
Interesting analysis. Love the remix on CD. Hoping more remixes are done to compliment the original Mono mixes featured on the 2009 In Mono box. While is makes sense to remix all the albums up to The White Album, what are your thoughts on remixing the final albums, only ever released for Stereo?
I really liked this video and think comparing the two formats is a great service. I love vinyl but really have no desire to buy a bunch of pricey records that are recorded or mixed poorly. I'm thinking a channel that a channel that compares formats would be very popular and very helpful to a lot of us. Thanks.
I should add: And I wish someone would get this to Giles Martin: My standard for listening to Sgt. Pepper was the Mono mix, but this remixing is now my go to standard.
Hi TJR, thanks for your honest review of the 2017 Remix of the CD and LP. What's confusing for me is how does the 2014 Remastered Mono LP fit in all of this ? I am not sure whether it's worth investing in this version or not ? I've never owned a Mono Sgt. Pepper before.
Steve they are two different animals. The 2017 stereo remix was influenced heavily by the original mono mix but trust me when I say they are still two different animals. There is no version like the mono mix. If I'd recommend one over the other, I'd say buy the mono reissue.
Hi TJR, I agree the vinyl is much more natural sounding without the harshness in the high frequency range..I don't get this CD brick walling mastering thing at all..I can whack the vinyl pressing up loud and it sounds impactive and dynamic yet the cd copy on the same amp output level is harsh and at times sounds like its playing via an overdrive pedal..It seems counterproductive and ironic to master a cd so loud that you cannot actually play it loud over good speakers without getting earache?
Hmm this surely must've been released before the single LP came out, because that's what I ended up getting, unfortunately. Totally kicking myself for not getting the 2LP version! Now it's nearly impossible to find for less than $100 bucks. Doh! 🤦🏻♂️The single LP can still be found for around msrp +/- 👍
Yes it was. I was kinda pissed that they released the single LP version later, because I had to pay more for it. Didn’t know it was going for so much now.
I saw someone else talking about the overdriven loudness of the CD, he suggested pulling the waveform from the bluray to remove the compression factor. Would this be the same thing you were hearing or something different ?
great video tjr, i totally agree with your comparison. one thing i would add about the vinyl version would be, instead of having the 2nd record of session outtakes that record should have been a 180g original mono record that to me would make more sense and would make it an altogether viable product. yes i will buy it but only for that first record anyway, keep up the good work tjr, excellent channel as always craig.
Glad that you emphasized "good quality turntable". My personal feeling is that if you can't spend much money on a system, you're probably better off with cds.
Thanks for the review. Great comments. My only question is that once a group leaves the recording studio with "their" correct mix, is it morally acceptable for someone else to remix their music?
sunguar well, what you call the "correct" mix acording to the group is the best one with the technology available then. this New remix is the correct mix with nowadays technology. plus ringo and Paul made their approval of this New remix.
+sunguar It depends...... In this case the remaining Beatles and their widows get final approval. And Giles Martin is not trying to change it radically. He is trying to be faithful to the Mono mix but bring it into stereo. I don't see this remix as being flippant, casual, a cash grab, or in any way disrespectful to the original.
As long as Ringo or Paul don't "augment" the record with new overdubs - then I think all's well if the word "remix" is used. I understand Entwistle of the Who re-recorded his bass parts on a lot of Who records way back in the day - before CD; if that's true then things get fuzzy.
I agree with you and the others regarding it being a single record but I think they could have include Penny Lane and Strawberry Fields on a Bonus 45 single, which is the way they were initially released.
In a way, they sort of did. The single was reissued on Record Store Day 2017. I really wanted it and was disappointed it sold out so quickly until I realized Penny Lane didn't include the mix with the trumpet notes at the fade out. A month later I was furious to discover the US promotional mix was a needle drop from an old record. My one question was "the studio MUST HAVE kept a master tape of that rare mix. Why..."
Thanks. I have thought about that...but I am not sure that it would make much difference, since youtube compresses the audio and I am not sure that you would hear any real difference as a result.....Then there are the copyright issues to. The less I play audio samples the less likely I am to run into any issues.
+jips123 I have heard it and I thought it sounded excellent. But I do not have 5.1 stereo capabilities available to me at this time.....This video is just about the standard CD vs it's vinyl counterpart
I have the new one disc vinyl, 2 CD set of the 50th anniversary, and a good stereo system (Dual turntable, Denon amp and CD deck, and Mission speakers) . Having AB'd the CD and vinyl apart from the volume level they are both exactly the same. I love vinyl anyway but CDs are excellent these days and you cant really tell a difference. The human ear cannot pick up 44.100 etc cycles.
I just wish that they would release the 5.1 disks separately. I just got the white album box and I really enjoy that mix, but I can't afford to spend $100+ for an album. I'm not a collector, just like good sound.
Aqui no Brasil o acesso quando tinhas as lojas de cd e Viniu era fácil mas aqui onde moro em Santos não existe mais essas lojas e quando vem pro Brasil é limitado
My thoughts are that 'Penny Lane' and 'Strawberry Fields' could possibly used for a future 'Magical Mystery Tour' (remixed) vinyl set and that this influenced the decision.
It also doesn't help that they didn't give a 50th anniversary 'treatment' to the Magical Mystery Tour album. Sure, it wasn't originally one of the Beatles' released albums, but does that make its songs chopped liver? First, of course, there are the actual film songs; but even beyond that, it would've provided an opportunity for a vinyl release to include Penny Lane and Strawberry Fields Forever (the latter of which's 2015 remix totally blows away previous stereo versions). And that doesn't even mention the opportunity to finally eliminate execrable FAKE stereo from more than 50% of "I Am the Walrus", which HAS been achieved with it in the Anthology video DVD release and the MMT film DVD release (as well as in "Love", but that's something different). C'mon, Giles, give release a chance!!
I sure did like your comparison. I only bought the vinyl version of this but my complaint is the same as yours. I was disappointed when I found out they were not including Penny Lane and Strawberry Fields Forever like they did on the 2 cd version. What I think they should've done is like you said, offer a single record version of the remix, and a 3 record set. first record of the remix, second for the sessions, and a third for SFF and Penny Lane. It could've been a 10 inch record for those 2 tracks and their respective sessions, imo.
+Benjamin Munoz JR Good suggestion, but then they might have been concerned about sales of a disc record set and considered it to be too cost prohibitive.
i agree with you about the second vinyl. i think they should released the álbum in the first vinyl and the strawberry fields forever and Penny Lane single along with it in a second disc.
Remasters are like photoshopping out zits from your teenage years school photos, I don't want to live in a fake bubble, your memories are what they are because they are!
Now, I want all of them... the 2009 CD Remastered, the 2017 CD Remixed Mono, and the 2017 Remixed Mono Vinyl... Gee, I can't wait to see how much that's gonna cost, but that's what I get for being a mega fan... Maybe I can get a discount... (Employee Discount) ;)
oh you are too funny with the guitar out take thing... enjoyed your comments an interview with george martin revealed that he was opposed to even digitalizing the lp in the 80's for the fear of it sounding too "clinical". others have commented similarly to you about blended vs compartmentalized instrumental sounds, and the overall gestalt of the musical psychelic atmosphere of the album. I like both for what they have to offer though warmth in the cd case being compromised with each mix with vinyl preserving some warmth. I challk up the compartmentilization to our increasing fondness of clarity and the revealing factor akin to the "aha" of uncovering the mystery of a magician's craft (oh, that's how they did that, that's how that sound was made or fused). It is not unlike say smoking a freshly rolled cigar - like a salad, vs. an aged one, like a stew. Many purists prefer the stew. I see them as different and therefore about what you like. Having said all that, I prefer the new vinyl. The new vinyl I propose would replicate the "what if" should the Beatles of 67 had the technology of today, took this on tour with orchestra and all, and played it live say, at Lincoln Center or Radio City Music Hall. Just a thought or fantasy IMHO. Enjoyed this very much, thank you!
The only conclusion I can get from this is just one: the (non needed) remix has been made different for LP and CD, so they sound different. Well..., obvious.
The guitar is harsh? What about the massive amounts of awful EQ added to most tracks? Why no clips of the CD versus the vinyl? I'd like to actually hear the vinyl since often times the sound is not as screwed up as the CD.
late to the party. I've watched your videos on many subjects. I myself liked the vinyl version much better. My understanding from what I've read, the vinyl has no compression and was mastered at 1/2 speed. I transferred my vinyl to cd and that is my go to when traveling also. So far a/b the new 2018 White Album material, I find the stereo field being brought more towards the center, it is much wider in the 2009 remasters; at least for the few songs I've heard so far. Really want Rubber Soul and Revolver remixed. Take care
Given that you have a proper mastering and a high quality pressing, Vinyl always sounds better, especially in cases where the source material is analog. Having dealt professionally in both mediums, I have my reasoning why this is so. I don't understand the egg-headed computer math people who claim analog is shit. They will come up with every chart and formula in the book to show why, but in the end they just come off as dolts. On another point, it would make sense for a Stereo mix to be 'Brick-walled' if it were emulating a Mono mix. Basically I like and enjoy the new remix. It benefits from the best of all the new technology (not all of what's new is always good). I don’t mind the the new clarity is too much. The way I look at it is if they had the technology then, they most certainly would have used it, so in that way it can be justified.
Why not have in the 2nd vinyl , the MONO version that the Beatles even said is the best way to listen to "Pepper" 1.) I have the original 1967 Sgt. Pepper in stereo only not mono vinyl. 2.) The 2009 Stereo Version in vinyl, I have it in mono on cd but not vinyl. 3.) Now 2017 version's none of the vinyl versions are in mono!?? what gives?? Why hold this back from us?? The Beatles themselves wanted us to hear Pepper in Mono on vinyl. All these sessions/and different takes/ they are all on bootlegged versions that have been out for years on end. Give us Pepper in MONO!!! Sorry for venting
I always thought this was the worst mixed Beatle's LP. Ringo's drums often are drounded out and I hate when the drums, base or vocals are on one side. Lennon hated that as well. The White Album and Abby Rload were the best produced Beatle album's.
Thanks for an interesting review. I do not own the 2017 Vinyl LP but I bought the Deluxe CD pack, for reasons I have not evaluated the Lux Pack properly it was the original Mono Mix i was most curious about. However, I bought the 2012 digitally remastered LP version of Abbey Road and I found it "too sharp" compared to the original 1969 which I also own. I put the 1969 version sound quality and dynamics well over the 2012 version. I think the remixed CD version of SGTP in the DLP is a bit on the sharp side and those parts clearly boosted to bring it closer to the mono version seems too overboosted for my liking. The clearly best sound in my view is the 2009 Digital Apple USB Format Box Set, Limited Edition, Compilation Memory Stick 226 × File, FLAC, Remastered, Stereo, 24-bit 44.1 kHz In my view one get a phenomenal quality and detail lift and it is so good that it is on the verge of frightening, a different level, a different world. The details in the 2017 DLP stereo remix which are worked up is clearly there on the FLAC set. I may mention that I play these USB/FLAC files on my MAC transferring the digital signals directly into the power amplifier´s built in D/A converter so it plays it plain/beautiful on the verge of frightening. I recommend you to get hold of one of these USB/FLAC items as it holds all the Beatles Studio Albums. It could be a good reference. I think it sounds like vinyl at factor of X at the power of x. Again, nice and interesting review, vinyl may well sound best of the bunch. RGDS
I didn't watch but the vinyl has more warmth and the CD sounds unnatural and digital. I hate listening to digital crap, I listen to vinyl on TH-cam because it's pure analog sound and not digital crap
I always thought sgt pepper overrated! But who knows maybe all the other Beatles albums are over rated? Maybe Sgt Pepper is the best! I like the White Album and Revolver!
If you didn't hear it WHEN IT WAS RELEASED then you don't know WHAT THE FUCK you are talking about! It was a revelation in SO MANY WAYS - AT THAT MOMENT IN TIME!
Just a small correction: the one that was doing the counting on the backing track for the orchestra in 'A Day in the Life' was Mal Evans, not Geoff Emerick.
You do an excellent job communicating your thoughts in such a way that is concise, precise, polite, and interesting.
Thanks
Great comments. Thanks for this. I think the CD (super deluxe) release is fine for me (and have been very happy with it). I do have a quality turntable and maybe if they just released it as single vinyl (as you suggested) I may have been tempted to have picked it up. But I agree with you, the 2 records in the vinyl release pushes the price point beyond something I'm unwilling tolerate. I would rather spend my money on other music. I can't wait for more CD vs. vinyl comparisons.
They recently released the single lp version 9./ 2018.
That’s the one I have... absolutely love it!
Ditto, it sounds amazing
Excellent as always, please keep on doing reviews. Nice guitar!!!
Great video, thanks so much. Hope you do more soon. PS visited Abbey Road studio two back in 1982, listened to many out takes from the original master tapes, something i will never forget.
I totally agree with you on the new vinyl. One record, less cost. The whole promotion pitch was to include Strawberry Fields & Penny Lane and they weren't even there.
That Crosly comment!!! LOL (and your face stayed serious the whole time, while I was cracking up and losing it!)
Vinyl being hurt by CD and CD being butchered by loudness, yeah things are bad.
Cd vs. vinyl nice addition to your content. Looking forward to more.
Thanks. I am looking forward to doing more too.
I recently got Sgt Pepper's new mono version with the box set and I like it, just ordered the new stereo vinyl. I also have a good new turntable and I am always thinking whether to just buy old analog pressings and cd's for the digital masters, I guess it depends on the specific releases and hopefully the recent return of vinyl will encourage better production quality releases.
I still have my original St. Pepper from 1967. It was a shocking new sound for me back then. I'll never forget get the first time I heard it.
Reasonable review, thank you! I've got the Super Delux Edition, but now I know I have to buy the vinyl as well ;-)
Mal evens is doing counting on a day in the life according to paul McCartney on anthology ii
Correct. It was Mal and he's even setting off the alarm clock!
Yes, the same Mal Evans who was shot and killed by the cops in 1976 for being out of his goddamn mind on drugs.
@@SpaceCattttt so?
@@SpaceCattttt LMAO you're a funny troll 😂😂
@@SpaceCattttt of course your l a cops are angels..whats your point
The second vinyl disc is now OOP, leaving on a single vinyl of the LP; it's $20 on Amazon.
Extremely competent, thanks for sharing!
Tim, I agree so much about your feelings at the end. I was super frustrated the session disc didn't include strawberry and penny lane. I really don't wanna pay the $40 flipped price for the rsd single :/
Actually, the 2009 remasters were using the UK Stereo Mixes, not the US Stereo Mixes. The US Mixes were used on the original Capitol Album Vol 1 and 2 that came out between 2002-2004.
I don't think they ever did a dedicated US Mix. There simply wasn't time allotted for something like that. There are major differences in the sound due to the way these were mastered for Vinyl and the quality of the pressings which rendered the UK LP superior in my opinion, but no, they never did dedicated mixes for each continent. Stereo versions were the afterthought anyway. It's inconceivable that they would be done a second time.
horowizard not remixed in the US, but they added masses of reverb, and the panning of the instruments was different, also the track listing especially in the early LPs is different.
@@milesanddizzy - there IS no US mix of Sgt. Peppers. No extra reverb, no track changes by order of the Beatles themselves. US pressings did not contain the runout groove piece, but otherwise the US mono & stereo pressings are from identical tapes.
the guy counting during the orchestral sequence in A Day In The Life was not Geoff Emerick, it was their roadie Mal, according to McCartney
Why not have the blu-ray audio version?
Nicely done. Might go and purchase the vinyl have the CD plus extras in my car. You're right - should be just the album. Picture disc any good?
I like the original mono best, but also recommend checking out the 5.1 surround mix that comes with the super deluxe set. BTW, Sam Okell is the remix engineer, Giles the producer.
You Do This Well. Thank you!
Very Well put!
+Thomasgene You are welcome.
On the 2 CD set the second disc is the mono version not a sessions Disc.
Hi TJR yours is a very fair review and has encouraged me to buy the vinyl. I have a Project Carbon deck. It's a shame the mainstream stores are dominated by the Crossley decks, the younger generation may be disappointed in vinyl because of them. Carry on reviewing !
+Howard Sykes Thanks man 😄
Great point on the 2LP issue. My preference if they were doing 2LP would be for the 2nd LP to be the Mono Mix, especially considering how ridiculously expensive the 2014 mix is online.
Picked up the stereo remix lp of Sgt Pepper yesterday at an actual store. We all need to throw off the yoke of our digital overlords and go to physical stores now! Have a nice day.
food for thought and very interesting thanks TJR
I dont know if my copies are best versions but i have several i love this lp
Intersting video. Could you do the same thing with Let It Be?
Thanks for doing this! Pretty much what I thought!
+Joe Auger You are welcome
Great job and I agree that the LP should have been a single disc.
+franco f 👍
The definitive review of this release. Thanks, I was on the fence about buying the vinyl copy....until now!
I own it on both and i too felt the record had a crisper sound to it.
Another thing...
My ocd was going nuts the way you replaced the packaging sticker lobsided. I put mine back on the sleeve it goes inside of. Lol. Great review. :-)
LOL. Thanks 😄
Any review of YES Steven Wilson remixes!!
Great job! nice guitar work too!
+James Gowan Thanks 😄
I've streamed the new mix and it sounds really loud, harsh, and bass heavy.
Does work for poop?
Jeffery Jones streaming is not true hifi reproduction.
Loved the new record and my friends who have listened did too. We did some comparisons with my original from ‘67. Don’t care about a new CD version.
Without going through all of the comments, have you compared the bluray from the deluxe set to the vinyl?
Great Video MAn!!
Thanks.
Simple... If it was recorded analogue it will generally sound better on vinyl... If it was recorded digitally it'll likely sound better on CD
'warmer and richer' is also the way your record player sounds vs your CD Player. There's also record players (or rather; Combinations of player, cart and preamp) that will sound thinner and harsher than any CD player. There's no denying the compression on the CD though. Also kind of 'hilarious' how they always said CD's have a better channel separation yet they compressed both channels in such a way that the soft parts on each channel were limited hard to that maximum of 0dB, causing you to have pretty much no channel separation whatsoever.
That said, even with a good mix I don't really like a CD. It doesn't have to be harsh, it doesnt'have to be thin, it doesn't have to be compressed. Yet there's no getting around the fact that 44.100 bits of audio per second just isn't quite enough to give a 'smooth' sounding performance. I did hear CD players (The Ayre C7xe is a good example) that got close to a decent record player, but not in the same price range :).
Interesting analysis. Love the remix on CD. Hoping more remixes are done to compliment the original Mono mixes featured on the 2009 In Mono box. While is makes sense to remix all the albums up to The White Album, what are your thoughts on remixing the final albums, only ever released for Stereo?
It certainly doesn't seem as necessary.
I really liked this video and think comparing the two formats is a great service. I love vinyl but really have no desire to buy a bunch of pricey records that are recorded or mixed poorly.
I'm thinking a channel that a channel that compares formats would be very popular and very helpful to a lot of us.
Thanks.
I should add: And I wish someone would get this to Giles Martin: My standard for listening to Sgt. Pepper was the Mono mix, but this remixing is now my go to standard.
CDs are better because they’re what I grew up with!
There you have it, There you go. 😄
Hi TJR, thanks for your honest review of the 2017 Remix of the CD and LP. What's confusing for me is how does the 2014 Remastered Mono LP fit in all of this ? I am not sure whether it's worth investing in this version or not ? I've never owned a Mono Sgt. Pepper before.
Steve they are two different animals. The 2017 stereo remix was influenced heavily by the original mono mix but trust me when I say they are still two different animals. There is no version like the mono mix. If I'd recommend one over the other, I'd say buy the mono reissue.
Thanks, Billy Shears I appreciate your helpful info and honesty. If I can find a cheap deal on that 2014 Mono 'SPLHCB' reissue LP I'll get it.
Steve you won't regret it :)
Great review.Looking forward to more cd vs. vinyl.
+joseph hassett Looking forward to making them.
Good video.... Let me ask you a question, in your opinion, do we need a SACD player to properly listen the Giles Martin version? (on CD).
Hi TJR,
I agree the vinyl is much more natural sounding without the harshness in the high frequency range..I don't get this CD brick walling mastering thing at all..I can whack the vinyl pressing up loud and it sounds impactive and dynamic yet the cd copy on the same amp output level is harsh and at times sounds like its playing via an overdrive pedal..It seems counterproductive and ironic to master a cd so loud that you cannot actually play it loud over good speakers without getting earache?
Hmm this surely must've been released before the single LP came out, because that's what I ended up getting, unfortunately. Totally kicking myself for not getting the 2LP version! Now it's nearly impossible to find for less than $100 bucks. Doh! 🤦🏻♂️The single LP can still be found for around msrp +/- 👍
Yes it was. I was kinda pissed that they released the single LP version later, because I had to pay more for it. Didn’t know it was going for so much now.
I saw someone else talking about the overdriven loudness of the CD, he suggested pulling the waveform from the bluray to remove the compression factor. Would this be the same thing you were hearing or something different ?
I have the 2017CD version and yes it's pretty loud. Abbey Road and White 50th CDs are loud too, but not as loud as Peppers.
how many times can you sell snow to Eskimos?
great video tjr, i totally agree with your comparison. one thing i would add about the vinyl version would be, instead of having the 2nd record of session outtakes that record should have been a 180g original mono record
that to me would make more sense and would make it an altogether viable product. yes i will buy it but only for that first record
anyway, keep up the good work tjr, excellent channel as always
craig.
There already is a great new all analog mono version.
Glad that you emphasized "good quality turntable". My personal feeling is that if you can't spend much money on a system, you're probably better off with cds.
Thanks for the review. Great comments.
My only question is that once a group leaves the recording studio with "their" correct mix,
is it morally acceptable for someone else to remix their music?
sunguar well, what you call the "correct" mix acording to the group is the best one with the technology available then. this New remix is the correct mix with nowadays technology. plus ringo and Paul made their approval of this New remix.
+sunguar It depends...... In this case the remaining Beatles and their widows get final approval. And Giles Martin is not trying to change it radically. He is trying to be faithful to the Mono mix but bring it into stereo. I don't see this remix as being flippant, casual, a cash grab, or in any way disrespectful to the original.
+Hernan Javier Zylbersztein ...If this where done without their approval, it would be a completely different story.
As long as Ringo or Paul don't "augment" the record with new overdubs - then I think all's well if the word "remix" is used. I understand Entwistle of the Who re-recorded his bass parts on a lot of Who records way back in the day - before CD; if that's true then things get fuzzy.
I agree with you and the others regarding it being a single record but I think they could have include Penny Lane and Strawberry Fields on a Bonus 45 single, which is the way they were initially released.
In a way, they sort of did. The single was reissued on Record Store Day 2017. I really wanted it and was disappointed it sold out so quickly until I realized Penny Lane didn't include the mix with the trumpet notes at the fade out. A month later I was furious to discover the US promotional mix was a needle drop from an old record. My one question was "the studio MUST HAVE kept a master tape of that rare mix. Why..."
Audiophile means to hear the cello player's breath taking....
Enjoy the concept but a sampling of direct audio comparison CD vs vinyl would be great! As always great stuff..
Thanks. I have thought about that...but I am not sure that it would make much difference, since youtube compresses the audio and I am not sure that you would hear any real difference as a result.....Then there are the copyright issues to. The less I play audio samples the less likely I am to run into any issues.
TJR ah yes I understand a lot of sound quality is lost through compression. As an occasional uploader I noticed.
then what about the HD mix on BluRay?
+jips123 I have heard it and I thought it sounded excellent. But I do not have 5.1 stereo capabilities available to me at this time.....This video is just about the standard CD vs it's vinyl counterpart
Totally agree with your review .... I have both the cd and vinyl version and I do prefer listening to the vinyl... thanks for the review... alan
I have the new one disc vinyl, 2 CD set of the 50th anniversary, and a good stereo system (Dual turntable, Denon amp and CD deck, and Mission speakers) .
Having AB'd the CD and vinyl apart from the volume level they are both exactly the same. I love vinyl anyway but CDs are excellent these days and you cant really tell a difference. The human ear cannot pick up 44.100 etc cycles.
Actually the album was remixed before, for the rockband game in 2009. ;) Never released oficially on audio-format though.
+Gigidag77 Cool bit of info. Thanks.
Gigidag77 Apparently it costed them millions to remix the songs for the game.
@Lydia I don't think so. I think it was done specifically for the game, not for the listening experience.
I just wish that they would release the 5.1 disks separately. I just got the white album box and I really enjoy that mix, but I can't afford to spend $100+ for an album. I'm not a collector, just like good sound.
Aqui no Brasil o acesso quando tinhas as lojas de cd e Viniu era fácil mas aqui onde moro em Santos não existe mais essas lojas e quando vem pro Brasil é limitado
My thoughts are that 'Penny Lane' and 'Strawberry Fields' could possibly used for a future 'Magical Mystery Tour' (remixed) vinyl set and that this influenced the decision.
+M. Groningen That is a possibility.
It also doesn't help that they didn't give a 50th anniversary 'treatment' to the Magical Mystery Tour album. Sure, it wasn't originally one of the Beatles' released albums, but does that make its songs chopped liver? First, of course, there are the actual film songs; but even beyond that, it would've provided an opportunity for a vinyl release to include Penny Lane and Strawberry Fields Forever (the latter of which's 2015 remix totally blows away previous stereo versions). And that doesn't even mention the opportunity to finally eliminate execrable FAKE stereo from more than 50% of "I Am the Walrus", which HAS been achieved with it in the Anthology video DVD release and the MMT film DVD release (as well as in "Love", but that's something different). C'mon, Giles, give release a chance!!
I'm not positive but weren't the remixed SFF/PL released as a single for Record Store Day?
Yes, it was very limited release. If you got one, you are one of the lucky few
I sure did like your comparison. I only bought the vinyl version of this but my complaint is the same as yours. I was disappointed when I found out they were not including Penny Lane and Strawberry Fields Forever like they did on the 2 cd version. What I think they should've done is like you said, offer a single record version of the remix, and a 3 record set. first record of the remix, second for the sessions, and a third for SFF and Penny Lane. It could've been a 10 inch record for those 2 tracks and their respective sessions, imo.
+Benjamin Munoz JR Good suggestion, but then they might have been concerned about sales of a disc record set and considered it to be too cost prohibitive.
i agree with you about the second vinyl. i think they should released the álbum in the first vinyl and the strawberry fields forever and Penny Lane single along with it in a second disc.
+Hernan Javier Zylbersztein or include it as a bonus 45 single
Remasters are like photoshopping out zits from your teenage years school photos, I don't want to live in a fake bubble, your memories are what they are because they are!
Now, I want all of them... the 2009 CD Remastered, the 2017 CD Remixed Mono, and the 2017 Remixed Mono Vinyl... Gee, I can't wait to see how much that's gonna cost, but that's what I get for being a mega fan... Maybe I can get a discount... (Employee Discount) ;)
I always come back to TJR for a sane opinion.
Thanks. Can I ask, is there someone you’ve heard who doesn’t have have a sane opinion
This and pipir gates at dawn 1st album by pink Floyd. Recorded in the next studios in Abby road . That album is up there aswell mono great stereo ok
oh you are too funny with the guitar out take thing...
enjoyed your comments
an interview with george martin revealed that he was opposed to even digitalizing the lp in the 80's for the fear of it sounding too "clinical". others have commented similarly to you about blended vs compartmentalized instrumental sounds, and the overall gestalt of the musical psychelic atmosphere of the album. I like both for what they have to offer though warmth in the cd case being compromised with each mix with vinyl preserving some warmth. I challk up the compartmentilization to our increasing fondness of clarity and the revealing factor akin to the "aha" of uncovering the mystery of a magician's craft (oh, that's how they did that, that's how that sound was made or fused). It is not unlike say smoking a freshly rolled cigar - like a salad, vs. an aged one, like a stew.
Many purists prefer the stew. I see them as different and therefore about what you like. Having said all that, I prefer the new vinyl. The new vinyl I propose would replicate the "what if" should the Beatles of 67 had the technology of today, took this on tour with orchestra and all, and played it live say, at Lincoln Center or Radio City Music Hall. Just a thought or fantasy IMHO.
Enjoyed this very much, thank you!
The only conclusion I can get from this is just one: the (non needed) remix has been made different for LP and CD, so they sound different.
Well..., obvious.
The guitar is harsh? What about the massive amounts of awful EQ added to most tracks? Why no clips of the CD versus the vinyl? I'd like to actually hear the vinyl since often times the sound is not as screwed up as the CD.
late to the party. I've watched your videos on many subjects. I myself liked the vinyl version much better. My understanding from what I've read, the vinyl has no compression and was mastered at 1/2 speed. I transferred my vinyl to cd and that is my go to when traveling also.
So far a/b the new 2018 White Album material, I find the stereo field being brought more towards the center, it is much wider in the 2009 remasters; at least for the few songs I've heard so far. Really want Rubber Soul and Revolver remixed. Take care
Thanks for sharing your experiences on this.
The CD release has gaps between the songs. The gaps totally ruin the experience of Sgt Peppers mind trip.
Given that you have a proper mastering and a high quality pressing, Vinyl always sounds better, especially in cases where the source material is analog. Having dealt professionally in both mediums, I have my reasoning why this is so. I don't understand the egg-headed computer math people who claim analog is shit. They will come up with every chart and formula in the book to show why, but in the end they just come off as dolts. On another point, it would make sense for a Stereo mix to be 'Brick-walled' if it were emulating a Mono mix. Basically I like and enjoy the new remix. It benefits from the best of all the new technology (not all of what's new is always good). I don’t mind the the new clarity is too much. The way I look at it is if they had the technology then, they most certainly would have used it, so in that way it can be justified.
Why not have in the 2nd vinyl , the MONO version that the Beatles even said is the best way to listen to "Pepper" 1.) I have the original 1967 Sgt. Pepper in stereo only not mono vinyl. 2.) The 2009 Stereo Version in vinyl, I have it in mono on cd but not vinyl. 3.) Now 2017 version's none of the vinyl versions are in mono!?? what gives?? Why hold this back from us?? The Beatles themselves wanted us to hear Pepper in Mono on vinyl. All these sessions/and different takes/ they are all on bootlegged versions that have been out for years on end. Give us Pepper in MONO!!! Sorry for venting
I have to buy a better turntable , before buying new vinyl .
Vinyl rolls off the highs. The end.
Vinyl all the way so much better sound
I always thought this was the worst mixed Beatle's LP. Ringo's drums often are drounded out and I hate when the drums, base or vocals are on one side. Lennon hated that as well. The White Album and Abby Rload were the best produced Beatle album's.
Lol hands down mono. But stereo is what I grow up w. So .
you play like my grandma
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Долой Штолле!
3:13 whoaw nice ...
Thanks for an interesting review. I do not own the 2017 Vinyl LP but I bought the Deluxe CD pack, for reasons I have not evaluated the Lux Pack properly it was the original Mono Mix i was most curious about.
However, I bought the 2012 digitally remastered LP version of Abbey Road and I found it "too sharp" compared to the original 1969 which I also own. I put the 1969 version sound quality and dynamics well over the 2012 version.
I think the remixed CD version of SGTP in the DLP is a bit on the sharp side and those parts clearly boosted to bring it closer to the mono version seems too overboosted for my liking.
The clearly best sound in my view is the 2009 Digital Apple USB Format Box Set, Limited Edition, Compilation Memory Stick 226 × File, FLAC, Remastered, Stereo, 24-bit 44.1 kHz
In my view one get a phenomenal quality and detail lift and it is so good that it is on the verge of frightening, a different level, a different world. The details in the 2017 DLP stereo remix which are worked up is clearly there on the FLAC set.
I may mention that I play these USB/FLAC files on my MAC transferring the digital signals directly into the power amplifier´s built in D/A converter so it plays it plain/beautiful on the verge of frightening.
I recommend you to get hold of one of these USB/FLAC items as it holds all the Beatles Studio Albums. It could be a good reference. I think it sounds like vinyl at factor of X at the power of x.
Again, nice and interesting review, vinyl may well sound best of the bunch.
RGDS
Thanks for sharing your experience with this.
I didn't watch but the vinyl has more warmth and the CD sounds unnatural and digital. I hate listening to digital crap, I listen to vinyl on TH-cam because it's pure analog sound and not digital crap
seen much more violent brick walled mastering.
To get a good sound with vinyle you need at least a good 2000.oo and more quality turntable ..Beside that the cd quality is't better...
Vinyl.
Ps i never heard Miles Davis Kind of Blue when it was released and it blows sgt pepper away and Duane Allman thought so too!
I pooped
Good job.......Now don't forget to flush.
Pepper 50th is the most misguided remix of a classic album ever. The mixing and especially the mastering is schizophrenic and amateurish.
Damn embarrassing.
Vynl is better
I always thought sgt pepper overrated! But who knows maybe all the other Beatles albums are over rated? Maybe Sgt Pepper is the best! I like the White Album and Revolver!
If you didn't hear it WHEN IT WAS RELEASED then you don't know WHAT THE FUCK you are talking about! It was a revelation in SO MANY WAYS - AT THAT MOMENT IN TIME!