Yes, Paint CAN be Ruined by Cold Temperatures!!!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.พ. 2025
- You may have heard that paint shipped during the winter months can be ruined by cold temperatures- Interesting if true! I tested it out.... and YES! some paints definitely take damage during freeze-thaw cycles. Freeze protection is one of a dozen attributes that paint manufacturers need to consider... some have it, and some don't!
Massive thanks to Greg from Turbo Dork for sharing their experience with this issue! turbodork.com/
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I think the moustache deserves a co-presenter credit by this point
It does have a commanding presence
Was this a Movember stache?
As a scientist, I love to watch Scientist-Brent explaining mini painting in a scientist way!
Hysterisis my dude
Same! ❤️
The "no"s after the Army Painter second freeze round were the icing on the cake. This channel always gets me grinning
oh no... nononononoono
Goobertown Hobbies science class is always amazing! Thanks Brent! I had some Reaper paints freeze many years ago and they behaved similarly and have avoided ordering paints the cold months ever since.
ahhhh, live and learn!
@@GoobertownHobbies I hear that the alternative can lead to a stunted academic career.
2 things I learned from this video. Army painter wasn't messing about with how saturated the Fanatic line is, kudos to them for putting that much in the bottle. and don't be a brush licker, bc micro-plastics.
Hurray Science & Thx Brent.
No more brush licking was also my main take-away :D
"that much" of what? I seriously doubt it is all pigment, that freeze-thaw stability generally decreases when there is more water, suggesting something complete opposite to your point. The fact that we have a solid cork inside the bottle just tells that the water separated from the rest. It would be the same in every other paint if they didn't use freeze-thaw stabilizers.
I know in the past that the science focused videos haven't done well but I love them so much. These videos give me an insight into this hobby that no one else gives.
I'm glad you like these! They're always worth doing, I always learn something new :-)
More chemistry with Brent, Excellent
Thanks for the scientific approach here, Brent. I actually was going to go through the trouble of freezing a bottle of vallejo paint myself just out of pure curiosity. Glad I got to save my paint and double glad that Vallejo can endure so much freezing-thawing cycles with little to no quality loss, as it's my go-to brand and I live in Siberia where it's subzero temperatures half of a year.
Seeing how well most brands did in the test I'm surprised these paint brands didn't make official videos demonstrating their cold resistance and use it in their marketing as reassurance for customers living in cold environments
I'm glad this is useful for our siberian friends! :-) freeze protection is one of those things that doesn't matter until it really really does!
Filter chunky paint through moustache
That's what it's for.
LOL nice
Seeing you delicately plant pots of paint in the snow is just priceless. Thanks for bringing the science to the masses. And oh yeah, that 'stache looks great, jealous of your style!
Wow I never thought about how much it takes for us to have out little coloured bottles. Verry interesting to hear the manufacturer as well!
Greg and Turbo Dork are awesome and have done a great job with customer support around this issue. Definitely an experienced subject expert!
Neat! I loved hearing from the Turbo Dork creator! I actually purchased a variety of them years ago when I was only into Gunpla, but I've kinda shifted to Warhammer painting nowadays, but I still have some Gunpla in my 'Pile of Opportunity', heheh.
Interesting to hear about the freeze threat to paints. I guess I'd never really thought about that hazard to them during shipping.
I just did a trip to Canada in December and brought some Army Painter with me and noticed a significant difference. Especially in washes! There's bubbles and more thickness overall in the paints. I'll still use them, but it's good to know the reason might be from the cold air on the plane. Thanks for doing this experiment!!
interesting! Thanks for sharing your observation- someday if I get bored I might freeze some washes :-)
You made my day, Brent: chemistry, extreme experiments in snow, fun and hey WHAT A MOUSTACHE, that's the way to go 😆 Seriously, Brent, very good video. Living in Spain I never thought about my paints freezing during transport (even though where I live it's not specially warm, below zero [Celsius] for the most part of the winter), but usually transportation is of no concern, since I use Vallejo an AK, both produced in Spain. Still, it's very useful to know this can happen if I order overseas paints! So thanks a lot Brent. Keep that moustache 💪
Good to hear from someone living in warmer climes! This stuff is fascinating, and every once in a while it matters a whole lot for those of us in the freezing north :-) Definitely keeping the stache for a while longer, thanks for the encouragement!
@GoobertownHobbies I live in the mountainous area at the north of the province of Madrid, around the center of Spain, and we have horribly hot summers but freezing cold winters, and for me cold and humid days are a problem when painting, so I can't even think how is that in Maine 😮. But after watching the video, I'll keep an eye on keeping stable temperatures on my paint bottles, that's for sure.
@@DervishD coool!!! I think as long as they don't freeze solid they're probably OK, but storage temperate is definitely something to keep in mind!
As a hobbyist from a place that has been fluctuating in temperatures from 0 to 32 degrees Fahrenheit for at least the last month, freezing paint is definitely a concern.
Thank you for your experiment and sacrifice of a few bottles of paint.
I love your Science behind the hobby episodes. We need more!!!
Thanks for exploring this topic. I live in a cold area and hadn't considered this problem. I really appreciate your scientific approach and your willingness to share your expertise.
I really appreciate that you clearly did your research about what goes into paint and how it behaves. I, too, am apprehensive about ordering paint in the winter (I'm in Pittsburgh).
At last, it appears that we have found the one thing that Army Painter Fanatic paints are _not_ better at!
these experiments are always worth doin... ya never know what you might learn! :-)
@@GoobertownHobbies I think I've thrown away all the paints I'd be willing to experiment upon. I can't afford more paint, I've spent all the rest of my money on paint! 😅
Really appreciate the more scientific episodes of Goobertown.
And thanks to Greg for a manufacturer's perspective. Big fan of the TurboDork paints, especially the Redrum and Wavelength colours. Widely used in this househould!
heck yeah! :-)
Absolutely great video - very interesting to see how things happened and degraded and very good to have someone from the industry have their take on it too.
First off- featuring an actual paint manufacturer to give some structure to how paint is made was an awesome idea! I love TorboDork paints too. But the highlight of this video for me is the movie playing in my head of Scientist Brent in the explainer scene of just how these regular living paints became Zombies!
heck yeah! Greg is an instant boost of production value for any video :-)
Bro, you are totally the Bill Nye of our hobby. These videos shouldn't be that interesting, but are must watch you tube!
hehehehe, that's what I like to hear!!!
Thank you for another interesting video! As many have said it is so refreshing to see your background in how you construct your videos. Thank you!
Thanks for showing a new slushie prep method for us paint eaters Brent! Appreciate it!
enjoy it in good health! :-)
+1'ing the sentiment that Dr Goobertown science time is my favorite goobertime
I was introduced to Goobertown through your glue & paint chemistry videos, and it's always awesome to see you do hobby science! Thanks, Dr. Brent!
Also, the mustache is glorious!
Having the Turbo Dork guy on to explain the process was so cool! Thanks for this. Very interesting!
Greg's a good dude, I'm glad you liked it!!
I have a couple older turbo dork paints that are like this, and I had written the brand off. Maybe they just got frozen in delivery! I'll email them and ask.
I didn’t know you were in Maine, I’m born and raised just north of Portland myself, it’s funny that I could say I recognize what snowstorm all that snow is from ha ha, I just wanted to say I love your work and it’s really cool to know that there is such talent living in the same state as me all the way up here in the corner
it was the first storm of the year that left a decent looking snowfall! now we've had a couple more :-)
Thanks Brent and Greg! I always wonder, and now know, why some of my TurboDork paints arrived "goofy" as I called them (but I also bought some in store this way). They were similar to the red/yellow army painter's 2nd freeze. They were like colored bubbles that I could work with, but not ideal (the smooth flow). I feel bad to try and get them replaced, but it is nice to know some of the science of *how* it happened and how a better product came from it.
yeahhhhh, it sounds like they had to learn about freeze protection for the logistics chain the hard way! Sorry you had some duds, but at least we know what happened now...
Bro you are my ASMR when I go to bed I love watching your videos when I go to sleep
sweet dreams!
I moved to Virginia recently from Indiana. I moved my paints myself and this is why. I haven't had a chance to test them yet. When I stayed in a hotel I took most of my liquid hobby product into the hotel. All of my paint went into the hotel with me.
@@xenoterracide keep them warm and safe :-)
Brent really being Brent here and we love it! I’ve seen more than one post online about paint being ruined by cold conditions during shipping, nice to finally have something reasonably scientific documenting it!
You solved my issues! Last week I bought a Warpaint Fanatic starter set, and my Green skin looks exactly the same! Some of the other colors are half liquid, half that chalk-like paste, and I thought I just wasn't mixing them enough; but seems like they froze.
oof! sorry to hear that... but at least we know what's goin on now!
It has nothing to do with the videos message in general but i always love to see how affectionate your cats are.
hehehe, yeah they're not too bad :-)
Hey Brent. Great video. I was going to say I had some Turbo Dork go foamy on me a couple of years ago. Then you had the gentleman from Turbo Dork on to talk about it.
I also had 4 bottles of Reaper Miniatures MSP freeze in the deep freeze a couple of weeks ago.
They surprised me by thawing out and working perfectly well.
hehehehe, I pulled out a surprise turbodork at the end of the video! Glad to hear your MSP survived the coldsnap :-)
I am in Canada, and when we moved out of our house in 2020 I found a box in our shed that had my old W40K stuff. I must have put it there when we moved in in 2005. In the box there were a lot of citadel paints from the mid and late 90's. a few had dried up but about 80% of the paints were still fine after being in a shed for all those years.
Nice!!!! :-)
love seeing your more 'science-y' takes on the hobby space. stay warm :)
hey thanks, you too!
This is educational and also answers practical concerns! I love your science-oriented videos.
Maine in the winter. Ugh. Rockland Maine is my hometown. Super cold
Love Goobertown's approach to life.
:-)
I've just this year moved my airbrush paints and primers out to my workbench in my garage this year....and just now realized its been below freezing a few times the past couple of weeks. I wonder if I've destroyed all my stuff! Thanks for the science Brent, always a great watch.
I was just checking your channel yesterday for new videos and one comes out today! 😊
During the Great Texas freeze a few years ago, I remember Reaper having this issue. They had to upgrade their storage facility to make sure nothing bad would ever happen again. Digging around in comment sections, I learned that Reaper in particular was especially prone to freezing. Many Canadian consumers often have to avoid buying Reaper paints during the winter months. During February, a Valentine's Day paint gets made and sold by Reaper, however, many complain that the paint tends to freeze before arriving to their destination. I think their is a blog post somewhere about that.
I was hoping TD was your interview! They are awesome for owning up to the freeze issues, but they went above and beyond! I’ll always recommend them!
They're good folk! I don't use that type of metallic often, but they make great stuff... especially now that they fixed that freeze problem :-)
Huge fan of turbo dork paint and love the insight! Thank you
Another superb video on an aspect of the hobby many ignore, thanks Brent .
As someone who haven't had the experience of snow, winter and extreme cold in my 35 years of life, this is very interesting. Thanks for the video!
I always enjoy your analytic sleuthing. Great video!
This is a fantastic test. It explains a lot, and why i had a mushy paint delivered once :-)
thanks brogger!
Such a calming voice, to contrast the slightly goofy thumbnail.
Keep up the awesome work, your videos are always relaxing and informative!
The way you just dropped the bag of paint into the snow, and then wiped your hands clean... That got a good laugh outa me.
hehehe, thanks for hangin out!! :-)
Oh. Right, I had so many paints left in the outhouse for the last two winters, so I will check out there when I next paint to see if any of it works.
good luck to you and your shedpaints! :-)
Sunday funday hobby science is exactly what I needed. Thanks, this was a fun one!
Funny this video came out as I was looking at replacing my old paints (most of which are useless because of the cold!) with either Army Painter Fanatic Paints or Pro Acryl.
I was about to pull the trigger with Army Painter Fanatic paints but now I’m inclined to go for Pro Acryl.
Thanks Brent!
I use both at my painting desk... but yes, it seems like pro acryl has better freeze protection!
@@GoobertownHobbies ths is exactly why we extensively freeze / thaw test all our formulations!
Yesssss, research machine Dr. Goobertown is at it again!
Thank you to Professor T. Dork for the lesson!
Wooooo!!!!
Very helpful stuff. I live in one of the coldest regions of the US, so knowing to maybe exercise caution when buying Fanatics is useful info.
just gotta time the resupplies right! :-)
Woo woo woo, he blinded me with SCIENCE! Thanks Brent, fun article.
Love the Scientific approach here.... "Better Living through Chemistry."
It is amazing how some are less affected. Good subject! 😊👍👍
Love all the different ways you cover our hobby! Great job, great channel!
Thanks, friend! :-)
Literally just experienced this with some paint I ordered during -15c weather - the pigment all stuck together like chewing gum. Luckily the vendor refunded the affected bottles. Shout out to Fenris Workshop!
ooof, live and learn! I'm glad you were able to get that resolved tho!
I live in Alaska and this is a topic that has concerned me for a while. Thanks for the info, I need to order some more vallejo now. :)
stay warm, friend! :-)
We got the sweet freezing knowledge thanks to Brent! Thanks!
I love experiments and videos like this.
Thanks for doing the science and answering the hard questions. Hope the basement workshop that gets to the low 50s doesn't mess with the chemistry.
nahhh, just gotta put on a hat! :-)
I figured the green paint would have thawed and loosened completely after it beared witness to the glorious mustache, hahaha.
I just started painting and watching the channel last spring so I hadn’t seen the mustache before, but I hope it’s an annual part of your winter prep, it looks great!
Hehehe, the stache is new but it'll stay around for a bit! :
Huzzah and Hell'sYeah what's up MUSTACHE MAN! oh Snap does that thing look amazing. And as always great showing what's what with paint once again.
14:56 this shot needs a happy montage music, you look so excited planting your paint bottles in the snow
Follow it up with a shot of Brent harvesting the grown paint bottles in the summer. Nice and ridiculous 🎉
With that hat, moustache and hair, this is more like Genghis Goober! Or is it Attila the Maineiac!? Or Brent the Impaler!?
The chillest thing in this video is Brent's delivery. ❄❄❄ Though the guy from Turbo Dork is pretty darn chill too.
hehehe, I was thinking more Paul Bunyan or Red Green, but your ideas are fun too! :-) and yeah, Greg is a good egg :-)
Oh man I live up north and was just about to order some Fanatic. Thank you so much for this. Will pick up from the store instead
that's probably safer! and then in the autumn we gotta stock up for the winter :-)
Im a Colorado native and have delt with a lot of these issues. Frozen paint is a real problem for the construction industry. I have my own problems with mini's and my brother gets the controlled environment of a classroom. Still i wish his k-12 classroom in Callahan CO. Was better funded. All the schools need more funding
What an interesting topic! Loved the video!
It's been so long! I miss your calm painting vids or random minis
Yeah it was worth waiting for snow to get those shots. Very fun.
Right?? :-)
Good vibes and great information from Brent, while happily reducing hobby clutter!
Thank you for doing this.
That was very interesting and informative.
Learned a lot about paint!
This turned out to be a VERY useful video to me. Why? I am an Army Painter first user, army painter did did and or does something wonderful that I have seen no other paint-producer do - they have these D&D Paint Sets (just saw - they have a set with their new fanatics as well - not D&D), that come with literally everything you need to take your very first baby steps in mini painting - at an insanely nice price. The model, the colors you need to paint it, a brush, a brush-on-primer, and a link to a video tutorial on how to paint it.
Now - none of that is high class stuff - but you get it for pretty cheap and my way into miniature painting wasn't warhammer but 3d printing monsters for my D&D game (still have no interest in 40K models) - so this set was perfect so see if I wanted to get into giving my grey buddies a bit more life for my games. And yes - it was the perfect gateway - so I decided to buy their mini-paint range and painted a bit, then got their air-brush range and started my first steps in airbrushing. Since then I learned of paints that are just "better" in pigmentation and covering and consistency but not to the point that it truly mattered unless you were a competition painter maybe.
Then they came out with their Fanatics, and all the youtubers I trust basically said - "NOW their stuff is on par with the mini paint excellence (like the new Vallejo Game Colours and Monument etc) - SOOOOoo even though I HAD my full AP range, and really no need for more (oh yeah I got the AP Speedpaints and 2.0 too... XD) I still wanted to - waited for, well until 3 weeks ago - and started to slowly buy the fanatics because - hey I can always talk the normal range to my little graden nook and use them whenever there (this will be important later).
BUUUT - knowing that, I will swatch the paints this week (I waited because persky work got in the way ^^) and see if all is well (AP does have the same kind of nice "if something is wrong with a paint - we'll get you a new one" policy) AND I will have to figure out a way to store them at, at least 5-10 degrees celcius in the graden nook, because even though it will be their old range that I'll store there - it may well have the same poor freeze resistance and I don't want to ruin paints on purpose.
TL.DR.: I have almost exclusively Army Painter in my Arsenal, and though I love them, will now test my Fanatics that I bought but have not had time to swatch (because I did by them in Winter) - and will store them in the knowledge that they do no likey to stay unprotected in freezing temps (like me :) )
So thank you Brent - you have done a true service today (as well you have many other day, but this one is really relevant to me, right now)
I'm glad to hear this was useful! I was a bit surprised by the results myself, but yes, definitely store those army painter paints above freezing!! :-) They're good in a lot of ways... but freeze protection isn't one of them!
Nobody makes the materials science of this hobby as satisfying to watch.
I currently have paint in my mailbox. I'd better go get it.
stop talkin and go get it!!! :-)
Ohh, so this might be why the one and only bottle of TurboDork I bought a few years back was no good. I was so sad because I'd seen vids on the cool metallic effects, but when I bought one to Aussieland here it looked exactly like those post-freeze fanatic paints and I was never able to re-condition it. I'll give them another chance!
Also, Yay, Science Brent! Hobby science time is the best time :D
yeahhhh that might be what's goin on!! I'm glad they fixed that issue, live and learn! :-)
Awesome video, really liked Greg's contribution!
he's a good egg.
Been onboard the Goobertown Train since your video on paint stripping. They’re a lot of fun.
Also, just saying, it’s quite appropriate you got a brush-stache going on for videos about hobby painting, and you pull it off!
been painting homes and commercial spaces long before i started painting minis, also being Canadian leaving a gallon of paint on the balcony over winter by mistake I learned how if paint freezes its basically un useable. ive always just treated my model paint the same since and always kept it inside and warm. thats also a longer time being frozen than you did though, being left out an entire winter so it stays frozen longer and slowly thaws being outside the entire time which likely causes more damage. also house and model paint are different but not as different as you'd think
makes sense! Some of these things we just need to learn the hard way sometimes...
Awesome. Thanks for looking into this.
My god, Goob's stache is a work of art.
I appreciate you!!
Thank you this was really informative and I truly appreciate the time and sacrifice of your paints that you made . Thanks again😉
RIP little paint bottles, you did your job well! :-)
Worth waiting for the snow for those outside shots. You painted bravely, indeed
new snow can be very pretty! it does a better job of telling the story than my freezer too :-)
Love this channel. Especially when you get into science. Thank you
Thanks for the video! Good info, details, and insights, as usual!
I can attest. I moved from the US to the UK and almost all my Citadel paints had the same fate thanks to winter mid-west temps when we packed and shipped our container.
Oh nooo!!! Well... thanks for sharing, hopefully we can prevent this from happening to someone else
I moved the other way and now live in New England and my 35 year Citadel paints survive to this day.
Awesome video. I am anxious to try Turbo-dork’s new formula. Explains why I had some issues brush painting the old formula.
Also reinforced the Stynlrez primer issues I years ago with an amazon order
ah, so this is why i shouldn't keep my paint in the freezer! explains so much, thank you Goob! :D
you must resist that temptation!
Well this certainly explains why after a sudden move we were forced into has resulted in me finding so many paints unworkable
oh no!!! yeah... temperature might be the culprit
@GoobertownHobbies was sort of hoping you'd have found a recovery for it tbh as my attempts have not been super great. But also not super scientifically done. Thanks for the video!
@@RealGyouza maybe someday... but sadly I suspect a lot of paint that gets skunked this way is just toast.
@@RealGyouza Best thing I can think to try is solvent abuse really, and I'd not expect it to work very well, definitely won't be worth the effort for such a 'cheap' pot of paint - but acrylic should dissolve in most 'cleaning' Alcohol type solvents (Isopropanol etc), so adding some in might just break the mess up, adding lots and some agitation might just work on even Brent's green mess. At least enough to effectively create a pigment suspension that you'd probably then want to blend in some fresh acrylic medium as the solvents evaporate...
IF it isn't too bad you could try keeping it simple and straining the lumps out, what is left aught to still be a functional paint, but again I'm not sure its worth it.
@@foldionepapyrus3441 probably true. It was just a lot of paint but have been replacing as needed.
Interesting, freezing is something we don’t really think about here in Australia, I did find a full can of black GW primer with my minis packed up for about 20 years still worked perfectly! Many of the citadel paint pots didn’t survive but amazingly some of them did, mostly metallics and washes though
GOOBZ!!!! Thank you for being you and for making a new video!
Always a good day when there's a new Goobertown
As a Californian, I never even thought about paints getting frozen. Though I guess it makes sense even for me to think about, since plenty of paints are made in places that DO see winters that get below freezing.
Indeed! It might be interesting to track the package the next time you order paint and see if they travel through any chilly parts of the country :-)
@@GoobertownHobbies I mostly get paints from my local shop, but they presumably also see paint going through chilly parts of the world. Citadel paints from the UK, Army Painter paints from Denmark... Monument Hobbies is in Arizona, so I wonder if ProAcryl bottles are at less risk of getting frozen on the way to California.
Well we do get freezing temperatures here (though not that hard really) and I'd never considered it for mini-paints - outdoor stuff absolutely, but when you are not using the paints when it might be even that little bit uncomfortable level of cold its easy to forget the transport steps may not be so comfortable. And ultimately unless its really really really cold or a very long slow journey it probably doesn't matter often even then - between the paints relatively high thermal mass and the packaging materials creating a somewhat insulated container you could probably ship them through the cold and they wouldn't chill enough to take harm. Love to see a bottle of that green paint that failed so easily posted a few times between Brent and some other relatively cold located buddies to see just how at risk it really turns out to be.
This kind of content is what keeps my curiosity well fed :)
that's what I like to hear! :-)
I think this solves my issue with my Vallejo Paints. I ordered off Amazon a few years back.
ahhhh, live and learn! sorry you had to deal with a bunk batch of paint
That is one thing thankfully I don't have to worry about in Northern Australia. My paints floating away is another thing but no freezing.
be careful out there!! :-)
The stache suits you a lot!❤