I'll be streaming shortly: twitch.tv/donutoperator This video was created and uploaded before his hearing the other day so more information has been released since then. His trial date has been pushed back a few more months than what I say in the video. Merch: donutoperator.com Pledge to me on patreon: patreon.com/donutoperator
@@isaacmullins7270 there are many other good things done by POTUS since he was elected. Lowest unemployment, advocation for border security, an executive order securing the 1st amendment on college campuses, an executive order to help those with kidney disease which will directly impact my family, and a global campaign to decriminalize homosexuality for starters. There's many more examples as well. If you feel like it research all the awesome things he's done :) you might be surprised
@@justafellowbrother7263 quite a long list of negative things. Removal from paris accord. Defauting on a 9 country agreement(iran deal). Demonizing the media. Unemployment isnt a record low. Ur not using the u2. Kicked 3 million off food stamps. Massive deregulation of public saftey laws. Etc etc. Just the damage trump has done on our world standing. And lemme ask. After defauting on paris accord. Defauting on iran deal(which all sources prove iran was following). Whos going to trust us anymore? Not sure if you trump fans realize. But we may be the strongest military in the world. Have a fun time finding food and resources when the u.s pisses off all our allies
Slicing off clothes, or removing clothes is standard procedure when you're trying to gain access to wounds so you can work on them. That should be obvious to anyone with even basic first-aid training.
As a combat medic , Eddie appears to be following procedure of exposing the wounds , which would allow him to stop the bleeding. this whole thing stinks ....
I highly recommend the Shawn Ryan show with his episode with Eddie. He goes over a lot of the case and what led up to it and the aftermath. Great watch.
Usually in EMS when there is a Leg injury you Cut Off the pants because taking them off would take too long and maybe cause more damage. Someone clearly wanted to see Eddie Gallagher gone.
Yeah, I'm working with a private ambulance currently to get more experience as an EMT, You cut someone's pants for the EMT-P to input an I.O., Or if you have to inspect the legs using DCAP-BTLS.
It never ceases to amaze me how the military can so easily turn on one of its own. It doesn't matter how heroic or decorated the soldier may be, he still has no credibility of his own.
Update for anyone Eddie strolled out of court a free man he was only found guilty of appearing in a inappropriate picture and had already spent more than double the time before the trial. The case against Eddie killing the isis soldier took a massive blow when the prosecutors main witness said on the stand that he not Gallagher killed the fighter buy plugging his breathing tube, a mercy killing so the fighter wouldn’t be tortured to death by Iraqi forces
@Yeshua is Lord. Eddie was only found guilty for posing in an inappropriate picture. However, he already spent so much time that he served his sentence twice (and therefore was free to go). One witness later testified that eddie didnt kill the isis fighter at all. The witness apparently said that he himself (the witness) killed the ISIS-fighter. He did so in order to prevent the ISIS-soldier being tortured to death by iraqi forces. Basicly a mercy killing. Hope this helps.
@@yankee891 he and the other seals who made up the stories had immunity, so they went back to the teams to be ostracized. He tells his story on a free range American podcast.
Lutoreos the dude didn’t actually do that he perjured himself on the stand because like cops and gang members seals aren’t supposed to rat on each other
For anyone showing up to this video late, Eddie is already free. 6 of the 7 charges were dropped and he is now a free man. He was only charged with "posing with a war casualty in an unofficial photo", but he didn't serve any time for that charge due to him already being imprisoned for longer than the sentence of the conviction.
more than that, they gave him the max sentence they could and tried to bust him down to an E1 and tried to take his trident away. Even though almost everyone in the platoon was in the pictures and none of them got charged besides Eddie.
What is sad is that his men who accused him because he was too "hard" on them is representative of today's military as a whole. The good ones got out or retired.
Humm, cutting pants off to assess the patient for injuries, and stabbed in the chest with a 3.5 inch 14g needle to decompress his chest, and needle to the heart to relieve caridac tamponade, and a cricothyrotomy so he can provide an airway. Humm, sound like some awesome damm good care to me, not a murder.
avnmech That is a lot of effort to save a bloke he could’ve simply finished off with one carefully placed round. You’ve got to wonder how many prosecutors have seen combat, when you are accusing one of the most highly decorated and experienced operators of committing murder then you best make sure it’s watertight. *shaking my head in wonder*
I personally think it's dumb to force our fighters to try and save the lives of terrorists in the field. They're animals and should not have the protections given to uniformed soldiers. If they just wanted him for "questioning", then oh well. Information is power and all that.
Civil Warlord pretty sure he knows. “ Army man” just sounds like something that is more known than a navy seal. We all know someone in the army if you’re from the states where as most people don’t really know what or how seals operate.
As a vet of 3 deployments my father a veitnam vet made me promise to do whatever it takes to come home alive. He told me he rather have me judged by 12 than carried by six. I didn't figure out what he was talking about until I got 7 months into my 1st deployment. The world's a messed up place
Most people don't understand the fucked up shit that can happen & does happen in war. The jungle environment of it all. International law really goes out the window
You're absolutely right Sir. Most will never know the horrors of war and what it does to a man... My father too was a Vietnam Veteran. I can't imagine what he went through watching his only son go downrange time and again. God bless you. And God bless the United States of America.
My father did two tours in Vietnam. 64 66. When I asked him if he had any regrets during those years he had only one story. Tay Ninh, 65. He was given wrong map coordinates and he called in a airstrike. Wiped out an entire village. It was a mistake, fog of war. In today's climate, my dad would be in prison.
@@mqbq3651 that's hard. But these stories given to us by our elders is why we should try and advoid war. WW2 Korea and Vietnam.. I couldn't understand the brutal tactics. WW1 as well.
@@mqbq3651 we never know what truly happens and we might not want to and I feel terrible that during every war the front lines and in general everyone that are there go charging in facing death and for what...family? Random people they don't know? Forced? For respect? Glory? Who knows, only they truly know And lots would do anything to go back home alive not in a casket. It makes me think lots of us have it easy because of them
@@mqbq3651 war is scary we should all know that. And if people talk trash about those who died for us I wish they could feel and see what they went through. Never disrespect those who died or fought for you/us
@@mqbq3651 See my friend, this thing you just told me. This. I understand that wars and the political things that lead up to it are very messy. I do what the people who fought told me. Forgive. It wasnt the people as much as the political leaders. Remember, love the solders.. Not the political leaders..
You have no idea what Obama did to the military while in office. It was a regular thing to go after SF, especially SEALS during his term. Many were put on trial for trumped up charges. An ISIS fighter makes a claim & US military goes full force after our men. It's meant to demoralize and tie the hands. There are so many career brass that are political & use their position to pick off one by one anyone in the military that jeopardized Obama's appeasement of terrorist regimes.
@@iski4317 And you're an idiot. Men like him, heroes like him are why America exists to this day and assholes like you get to say what they want and not be executed. Try saying that against an ISIS fighter while living in Iraq - they'd kill you. Are you just ignorant or stupid?
When your in the service your constitutional rights do not apply. I have seen that first hand happen to other people. The walk of shame upon bad discharge for drug charges. They had the whole batt line up and this guy in shackles had to walk in between all of us.@@The_Black_Knight
steve cwell they deserve it. All they cared about was making themselves look good. Eddie Gallagher will become the “Duke Men’s Lacrosse” case for military law. (For those who don’t know, the prosecution fucked up)
They essentially deliberated for one full day and then came back first thing in the morning and had a cup of coffee and gave their verdict. And the verdict was essentially that Eddie Gallagher was found not guilty of all of the serious charges - murder, attempted murder.Aug 24, 2021
www.salon.com/2019/07/05/the-curious-case-of-eddie-gallagher-did-donald-trump-help-a-navy-seal-get-away-with-murder/ Feel free to read and email this lady a reality check
A-10 Thunderbolt II - I voted for Trump and thought at the time he would be a single term president. Now I think it is time we repealed the 22nd Amendment. Drain the swamp and commission Eddie.
@Alexander Martinez Not on anyone's dick sir. Special operators peer review each other every single day. If he was a blood thirsty asshole executing detainees I would expect it would come up far before the end of his career. Seems many held this man in very high regard. Things just don't add up.
@Alexander Martinez You're right, he just had an absolutely stellar career, that one day, during his last deployment, towards the end of a hell of a career said "Fuck it, let me screw the pooch on everything and kill someone unarmed" Like Donut said, you don't know jack fucking shit because you weren't there and Donut provided plenty of evidence that this man's character was otherwise and that his "brothers in arms" were leveling these charges against him out of spite. Either way it doesn't matter, everything we say here is hearsay until the court decides his fate.
@user-xc7rf9zk4v you sound like a potential war criminal. If you're killing people who are on your side - as Kyle and Gallagher did - then I have to wonder.
Just came across this. Great piece. If you haven't committed the same efforts to clear the MARSOC 3, please do. It's a tragic case of special operators (heroes) who are being denied due process, having their lives put on hold, and being charged for murder. All evidence exonerates them, but the Navy and JAG just doesn't care.
This is why I couldn't reenlist. I was with 2/4 in Ramadi 2004. The calls of individual Marines weren't called into question until my 3rd deployment in Iraq. We detained a terrorist arms dealer by setting up an improvised road block. We scared the life out of him apparently because the arms dealer was old and had a heart attack and later died. We tried to give him aid, but it didn't work. Less than a week later the pussy nerd NCIS agents wanted statements, but no one was charged. In war we shouldn't be 2nd guessing ourselves. We need to be held to standards yes, but we need to make sure we come home. I knew too many guys come back in body bags. We need to stop the politics in war.
Pussy nerds? You really help feed into the meathead stereotype of military men. Worst type of example. You are why I never joined the military, I knew it would be almost strictly low IQ meatheaded dude-bros. Also the fact that the wars are all built on lies. I feel sorry for all of the gullible people who joined after 9/11, you fell for all the lies hook, line and sinker. Robot.
@@everythingviral972 Nah, there are valid reasons to dislike meatheads, but the same can be said of bureaucratic dimwits who can find just about any reason to fuck shit up in different ways. Assholes come in many forms
This is coming from a guy that has no original content and makes his living from click bate. You are doing nothing but trying to troll me. That's fine keyboard warrior.
@@everythingviral972 And you have just proven yourself to be a brainless coward. Gullible people for signing up? You just sound like another pathetic loser who doesn't have the balls to enlist.
I will say- I believe the Chief to be an honorable man who when confronted with a guy out of the fight did what came naturally to him he was first and foremost a Corpsman. I have known some hard ass docs and they would hammer someone to protect their Marines. That said, when it came down to it every single one of them was a compassionate and good soul that helped people that were hurt. Hard to explain but it is ingrained in their DNA it seems. For those who do not know corpsmen- We as Marines say- Corpsmen are- Usually a young, long haired, bearded, Marine-hatin' Sailor with certain medical skills, who will go through the very gates of Hell to get to a wounded Marine.. We love our Docs- always.
Appears to me that he was an amazing Chief and Seal. I personally don't think for a second he has done anything wrong. NCIS wants to build a name by prosecuting a real soldier. What a fucking joke!
Hey, Donut Operator thanks for the run down. I spent 25 years @ JAG school. Admiral Crawford was my boss but as a civilian I had very few words with him. I find it interesting to have these higher ups putting their nose where it doesn't belong.
Call your memes Airsoft hey buddy, I’m a Desert Storm Vet and if you see your uncle please shake his hand for me and tell him Thank You for everything he did and I’m sorry he was treated that way! I sat under the wing of a C-141 one night that we were guarding on the tarmac of the Azore Islands and we were on guard duty with a bunch of seals and they are some of the best guys I’ve ever met in my life!! We need more real men like your Uncle in this country!!!!
All the, Doc’s I ever served with were very, “Tuff individuals” and great respect for, Mr. Gallagher. They went everywhere the U.S. Marines would go and one, “Doc” saved my life. Love those guy’s. Semper Fi.
Like my father said when he got out of the 82nd, "all the ribbons and medals on my chest would maybe get me a free cup of cofee, I'm just glad I got my boys home in one piece"
Lance fisher Your dad sounds so cool. My daughter (20) is a MP in the Army and even before she went in, I always felt that the U.S. drops the ball when it comes to our soldiers. They deserve so much better and MUCH more appreciation. Please thank your father for his service!!
Can we just point out real quick that the court with no primary piece of evidence other than accusations from enlisted men who had a history with Chief Gallagher still sent it to Courts Martial
That's why we blow them out in circumstances that we don't do to actual soldiers of a nation. It's not like the world is being hypocritical when asking us to hold ourselves to our own standards.
Actually there has been a set of rules and regulations reguarding prisoners of war within islam for over 1400 years now. We do have rules of engagement & have historically avoided civilian/ non combatant bloodshed, and the prophet himself did dislike utilizing catapults in warfare due to harm of civilians, (as opposed to night raids which is different) In any case, yeah we have rules of engagement, currently some or most prominent islamic groups don't follow them as they should be or have simply ignored them. In today's contemporary warfare it is fully possible to follow all islamic rules of warfare, however it would make some operations difficult or the global effort a bit more murky, for example if a US civilian who is muslim and supports islam is capable of targeting HVT's such as drone operators, various Defense contractors & organizations, house intelligence committee members, those who propagate AUMF's etc etc etc, ( people DIRECTLY involved in the war effort against islam) how much information is required before engaging a target? Example: X person is in the national guard & thus a member of the US military, is such a person a legitimate target as a open combatant or are they simply a mercenary who isn't directly fighting islam but is acting in his/her financial interests and hasn't actually seen combat or targeted muslims directly, same example applied to house committee members, various organizations, etc etc. The thing is this war on terror is something that is being fought on multiple fronts in complicated ways and it's difficult outside of a battlefield to actually designate an individual as a legitimate target without actually fully researching the person and finding out if they have personally been invovled.
This has happened for decades since after WWI, not WWII. Anyone that has spent a full career in the military has witnessed someone experience this types of actions, if not themselves.
Apparently he sent a photo from his phone to a friend with a picture of the alleged "victim" with a caption that read, "got him with my hunting knife". They seized his shit. That would be a some pretty damning evidence. I hope he gets life, but he'll probably get off with MAYBE a reduction in rank. That would put a huge dent in his pension. We can hope.
I used to be in the emergency services / fire brigade. I visited my old team a few years after I left and they told me how things had really changed. When I came on as the new guy, I was hazed and had to work my way up from doing the worst tasks until I earned my stripes. The recruits that followed after me were not having it and reported all my old superiors and mentors for bullying and tore the whole fire service apart with claims, accusations and court cases. Really professional, strict station officers were placed on mandatory leave, other super-experienced senior firefighters lost their jobs. Many of the newer generation are p*****s and can't handle earning respect. They want it all given to them without the required blood, sweat and tears. Thank God I left when I did.
why i got out of the marines....... all kinds of fucked up.... no honor. the guilty until its benifiting those that haven't earned anything yet. Double standards and Favoritism.
Nice story but we still have at least an US medic who murdered a prisoner of war and an Eddie who only knifed a corpse. That story, a very serious war crime and still lunatic behaviour from Eddie, is the best case and sounds like a total lie. You „the youth is rotten and lazy“ rant, changes nothing.
@@d.h.1999 Innocent on til proven guilty mor on how many engagements you been on none I would bet and if you did you were probably one of those pus___s we been hearing about I thank all our brave seals others should just stay in the army offices
I have the advantage of most probably being dead by the time the current generation takes over America. If they think things are bad now, wait until nobody knows how to do anything and just sit around waiting for someone else to solve their problems!
I came here after he was on "Vigilance Elite" yesterday. They talked for over 5 hours about this whole thing. It was very enlightening, and also shocking how he and his family were treated. The guy seems like a fantastic leader and I believe he served with honor. 🇺🇲
@@edzachary8657 -- It really hit me in a lot of ways. I can't imagine how he must feel being betrayed by the very institution he served for. At least justice won out, I suppose.
@@feederdiaries4862 lol did you even watch the video get out of here lmao also did you not actually do research what he got charged for was taking a picture with a severed head
@@aqz7603 by definition he is "not guilty"... nobody can judge someone as innocent. Plus, if somebody is found guilty of a crime (like murder) and gets sentenced (example, 20 years), and serves that time it doesnt make them innocent. It just means they have 'paid their debt to society'
Even if that ISIS fighter was murdered by him, I wouldn't feel bad. Any ISIS member isn't even worth the bullets you rightfully put in him. Edit* I don't condone murder of captives. I don't, however, feel any pity for a fighter of an organisation like ISIS.
That's on one shoulder, and I'm sure they get medieval on ISIS every day. On the other shoulder, if his teammates turned him in then maybe there's something to it. All I know is that I would not want to be innocent and have to rely on 'military justice.'
Emrick Benedicto if he killed the isis fighter it wouldn’t be considered a war crime he was a enemy force. He was by war time agreement permitted to be killed... ncis is full of corrupted political cronies... same with the FBI. If Eddie doesn’t get out we will see many military veterans raising help up in the ranks... Eddie is clearly being framed for something he didn’t do and seriously cutting the pants might be so that the guys legs were all shot up... he was clearly doing medical procedures removing the pants in order to find the open artery and than using said cloth of the pants as a rope to tie off the limb to reduce the blood flow so the bleeding won’t be so heavy and it does work... although it would be hard for the limbs when under exposure to this restriction of blood flow for a long period of time can cause nerve damage but yeah... these smaller navy seal soldiers that were under eddies authority were pussies who can’t take leadership and are in fact conflicting when it comes to cooperating as a team... when Obama gotten into office we saw navy seal program turned from a mere 50 members to nearly 300 members 4 years later which was a very high increase...
DeepCFisherman they don’t have a standard, not to mention this is war “morals” is what the dirty politicians hide behind to gain public support for themselves, the soldiers have to follow their rules and I respect the fact that the troops out there try to stay morally correct, but I wouldn’t blame them if they weren’t, either way they have my respect for fighting for our country and doing the things most wouldn’t or couldn’t
What a crock NCIS is. So did they charge the other 10 SF guys posing in the picture as well? I mean fair is fair, right? Thank goodness he was cleared of the major charges and retired with honors - he deserved it.
Puneet singh are you fucking kidding me. He killed that Islamic extremist because he was already shot7 times, it wasn’t justice when they bombed our country and they will burn in hell as we liberate there women and children who don’t deserve to live in chains
Octopus Jesus ok well the whole idea is not stooping down to their level. We would not be any better than them. I believe he didnt do anything wrong tho
Hate to feed the stereotype, but wen I was in the military (just retired last year), millennial would get butt hurt over the smallest things, then complain in social media about how they were being brutalized and abused (zero evidence provided of course). I hate to say this, but these snowflakes seem to be more interested in protecting their feelings than our borders.
Yea, he shot two civilians in the street, bragged about his kills, threatened witnesses who would report the murder, called in false grid coordinates in order to strike a mosque and executed a pow. Totally not a war criminal. We dont deserve him.
@@liam9431 funny... I thought all of that was saved for the higher ups with all the scandals they have had. Just in case you are in the crowd of, " he did this shit": I side with Eddie. There is next to nothing that can prove any of this happened other than what some disgruntled squadmates of his say. Nobody else can confirm this. Those people should be dishonorably discharged or at the very least court martialed. They have tried to ruin his life over him being, "too harsh and demanding". It's just a bunch of bullshit if you ask me. Everyone else loves him and vouches for him except for a couple guys who have an issue being under his command.
As an Ex-Navy Corpsman that was field-med 8404, I can confirm the bull that gets thrown around when others feelings get hurt. We've had plenty of "investigations" from NCIS and upper command at Quantico. I feel bad for the chief as I've worked under a few chiefs that had his mentality about work and finishing the mission. I've been following the investigation and a lot of the statements don't add up and I feel like it's another good man getting the short straw. Good job Donut for keeping this factual and unbiased.
Isis fighters aren’t murdered, they’re neutralised. It’s not a crime to neutralise a terrorist. Especially when your own government sent you there for that very purpose. Cutting his trousers off is routine in any serious medical emergency where the injured person has leg injuries. You seem like another clueless leftard that jumps to conclusions without letting facts get in the way of your stupid anti American agenda. You’re the moron, not the original poster.
Mr Lum26 maybe I should clarify what I meant. They basically locked this American soldier up despite still not having conclusive evidence which is why I was doubting whether America was innocent until proven guilty. I have no idea what the rules are in the military but I’m not saying Eddie Gallagher did anything wrong cause I’m pretty sure he is the good guy in this. Edit : Mr Lum26 Oops thought you were mad at me
Hi Zuper. My comment was aimed towards the person that called you a moron. No matter what the law say’s our rights are, we’re always presumed guilty until proven innocent.
@@MrLum26 no it's a literal crime to murder a POW for someone watching a cop change you don't seem to care about the law which states its a war crime to kill a POW and the terrorist became a POW when he was unarmed and unconscious
This reminds me of the British Army Officer Brian Wood who led a bayonet charge against terrorist forces at the Battle of Danny Boy. Years after the battle, he found out that allegations of war crimes were being brought against him. Eventually, he was acquitted and it turned out that the lawyer who brought forth the allegations was just looking to make a quick buck by winning this case when all of the evidence had long since been lost. Just really sucks to see decorated war heroes not being giving their due just because of some assholes that don’t like them.
UPDATE: Eddie's lawyers has video footage from a helmet gopro tjat shows him treating the isis fighter and fending off vengeful iraqi forces soldiers. Its in The National Interest article. 7 of May, 2019.
yeah from everything ive heard, NCIS are just a bunch of people who either failed out of basic or didnt fit in with marines/navy personnel and became mall cops to get back at those who did make it
I can understand how Eddie felt, I was never accused of war crimes as Eddie but I have been in a position where a low ranking member made up absolute lies about me because I worked him harder than some others and it got back to my supervisor and I was interviewed about the accusations and it pissed me off really bad and I felt like strangling the little lying bastard but then I would lose rank if I did that. So the little shit was assigned to another platoon but I sure let the LPO and LCPO know what was coming their way. A year later he was kicked out with a BCD, no surprise.
I love the US marines equally to the love I share for the Royal marines. Alliance is especially important during these 'uncertain' times' Keep doing what your doing. Much love 💪
Just have to say. Anyone who has an issue with a medic cutting the pants off of someone who was wounded and "stabbing" them should probably never look into a trauma bay when a pt is brought in after a stabbing or GSW or... hell... 95% of all traumas that would warrant a full trauma activation. You absolutely cannot assess and work on a bad trauma while they are clothed. If you get in a bad car accident and have to get rushed into an ER odds are good a group of 10+ people will very quickly be standing over your naked body with your shredded clothes in a pile on the floor and a lot of them will be poking and prodding you with some sort of sharp object. Thing is out in the field you don't have access to all of the super sophisticated sharp instruments we have in the hospital. If an incision had to be made out there I have no doubt it would be made with the tools on hand and those might not be the cleanest and nicest looking tools in the world. Looks like he is a free man today and thank heavens. War is ugly. Saving people is ugly. The two together could easily be described as... you guessed it. Ugly.
From a person in the know. You are damn right. I about got sick dealing with trying to extricate a man trapped in a crumpled van on the side of the road. ( my first ever time actually responding to a live call. And That was not after a bomb that was a van hitting a concrete retainer and turning the guy Rleg into a Z. With R foot broken backwards. So a think cursive Z. ) glad I was not by my self on that one. And the 17 time stab victim screaming at me for help that was hard. So yeah I always carry 2 pair of med shears. There is nothing strange about him cutting the pants off. My guess is he was not stabbing but actually checking the wounds on the enemy combatant and those guys who were young and scared probably hyped up on adrenaline did not really know what was going on. But You got the nail on the head in one. People should stay away from judging what they dont know. Sadly even the war fighters now in some sof teams think just cause they get pinned now they own eveything. We all think we are better than we are until the first few months on job teaches us other wise. And it teaches the job in a less than pristine settings. Regaurdless of the accusation innocent until proven guilty Beyond a reasonable doubt. It is not, well a little more than a rumor I heard from a friend, who talked with a guy in the room. Who claimed his buddy told him that there was qpq. Oh sorry wrong miscarriage of justice.
Apparently Congress reviewed footage of the actual incident with the fighter who died and it completely contradicts the claims his team made against him. Things seem to be looking up for Chief Gallagher
Gj Donut way to be clutching at straws to prsent one side of the matter. The members of congress said that he was treating the kid's wounds however the claims said that a medic (not Gallagher) was treating the fighter and Gallagher just went over and stabbed him. Furthermore how did he die if he was getting treatment and his wounds were reportedly (and highly likely) not mortal. Now I could drone on about how many things the video did not disprove but think about this logically. Why did nobody in the entire platoon defend him. 9 people reported him and 12 testified against him after they got rid of him so they had no reason to just fuck him over. Also Donut and these people make it sound like a bunch of junior seals were just pussies on the battlefield and decided to stab Eddy in the back even though multiple senoir seals have also confronted him (he also has a history of reports made against him). The only reason this couldn't have been handled internally is because at every stage up the chain of command they dismissed the claims. An entire platoon against one dude in the Navy Seals. THESE THINGS DON'T HAPPEN FOR NO REASON. And even if he's innocent don't pardon him.... prove it!
@@daniellanyi8287 this is America. We don't prove innocence. You sound like the liberals and their Trump derangement sybdrome. Dude was an experienced medic. Had been through green beret medics school. As in far more training amd experience than a corpsman.
@@codinginzen8793 "We don't prove innocence" - lol then why is this whole investigation going on? Let me ask you something if you don't mind. Suppose you witnessed a war crime. You witnessed someone on your platoon murder a civilian for no good reason. What would you do in that situation?
For those who don’t have any military experience, and I’m surprised Donut didn’t know this because of his service, the Carl Gustav is a “recoilless rifle”, which i *believe* is an 84mm rocket. Largely used for Anti-Tank capabilities and other armor, and there’s a buncha different rockets. H.E.A.T. rounds are High Explosive Anti- Tank and H.E.D.P are High Explosive Dual Purpose. These rockets can be massively disturbing to the operator of the Gustav. If you are to shoot more than like four or five in a period of 24 hours, you can have damage done to your head and internal organs. Doesn’t happen often, just thought I’d clear that up for anyone who doesn’t know why that Officer were to say that him making his SEALs shoot that Carl Gustav a dozen times would be too disciplinary. Even then, sack up, you’re in country. Get fucked. Go Gallagher.
Actually it is more harmful to the 2nd man but when I trained on one I would volunteer to fire 20 if the army could ever afford that kind of thing. They are a lot of fun.
I know guys who used the 84mm CarlGustaf. It's the propellant going off next to your head that is the problem. Operators sometimes gets nosebleeds after a few shots and there have even been cases of concussion. Is very individual how you react, to some people 12 shots in 24 hours can be really bad. Now, in a war shit happens and I'm sure those 12 shots were not fired just for fun.
This changed my mind, I was convinced he did it. I'm glad you made a video on it. Imagine serving a country for 20 years and thats the thanks you get. Geeez.
@@DanielTomaka Did i not just say i changed my mind? I saw the news reports and i never looked into it. You cant be giving me shit for actually forming a new opinion based on new information, if i was still convinced after watching this video and spewed bs in the comment section id understand your response.
@@F4EPhilosophy What gave you the impression that i was swayed easy? Donut made a great video clearly explaining what was going on, It really put it into perspective for me.
@Charleston Gamer it matters because if you treat them the same way they treat us, it's not justice, that's not morally right. It only justifies their actions and gives them reason to act the way they do.
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This video was created and uploaded before his hearing the other day so more information has been released since then. His trial date has been pushed back a few more months than what I say in the video.
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Hello from Goodyear we have never lost a officer. The only cop to die here was by a unarmed man and the cop was a state trooper
Whats up
Wheres the leak mam
He was a real life captain price
What are your opinions on red flag laws?
11/5/19 Donald J Trump pardoned SEAL Chief Gallagher of all war crimes and reinstated his rank.
GO TRUMP!
One good thing he did
@@isaacmullins7270 there are many other good things done by POTUS since he was elected. Lowest unemployment, advocation for border security, an executive order securing the 1st amendment on college campuses, an executive order to help those with kidney disease which will directly impact my family, and a global campaign to decriminalize homosexuality for starters. There's many more examples as well. If you feel like it research all the awesome things he's done :) you might be surprised
Ladies, Ladies, you’re both beautiful.
@@justafellowbrother7263 quite a long list of negative things. Removal from paris accord. Defauting on a 9 country agreement(iran deal). Demonizing the media. Unemployment isnt a record low. Ur not using the u2. Kicked 3 million off food stamps. Massive deregulation of public saftey laws. Etc etc. Just the damage trump has done on our world standing. And lemme ask. After defauting on paris accord. Defauting on iran deal(which all sources prove iran was following). Whos going to trust us anymore? Not sure if you trump fans realize. But we may be the strongest military in the world. Have a fun time finding food and resources when the u.s pisses off all our allies
As of 6/2/19 Gallagher is released from custody awaiting further trial
Thank you for the update. This comment should be liked more so others can see it more easily
Elibrius Project he was released from custody by the presiding judge due to prosecutorial misconduct.
Yay!
JonnyRichter- does that mean he CAN or CANNOT be retried? Is it over?
6/2/19 American date
2/6/19 English date ( and possibly else where )
He cut off his pants!! Sounds like the first thing a medic would do to treat injuries to the legs.
War crimes are trendy. He's innocent.
Everyone gets naked in trauma
"You are a pervert" sed no one to a medical trained sela
Literally the basic CLS course all U. S Army soldiers go through.
"Trauma naked" as we call it
Slicing off clothes, or removing clothes is standard procedure when you're trying to gain access to wounds so you can work on them. That should be obvious to anyone with even basic first-aid training.
Is posing for a pic with a dead ISIS corpse SOP?
It should be obvious the story is whitewashed
The power of his mustache is undeniable.
The mustache was the warcrime.
@Jay C and you don't??
They forced him to shave it while in captivity because it was so strong.
@Jay C O is that how you tell yourself it's not weird to spy on those 4 year-olds just pretend like everyone else is doing it
Interesting
Donut Operator's? Ya. I zone out undressing his upper lip...
Cutting off the trousers suggests Eddie was attempting to treat the guys wounds.
The medic was doing that supposedly Eddie didnt even touch him. I'm honestly wondering what this guy knew about the Clinton's
@@goose33 eddie is a trained medic so could have been him
As a combat medic , Eddie appears to be following procedure of exposing the wounds , which would allow him to stop the bleeding. this whole thing stinks ....
Or give him some love before he died
@@goose33 every time the Clintons touch anything ppl disappear
Love how thorough you are in your videos. You are easily my favorite TH-camr
Slam Spiffy hes like a youtube private detective
I went to click the like button and it disliked the comment when I hit the like button..
But he doesn't have any proof other then what is already been gathered by NCIS. A lot of this is opinion.
@@DougsDad sounds like NCIS has nothing but a bunch of circumstantial "evidence" so a lot of that is opinion.
Thanks
I highly recommend the Shawn Ryan show with his episode with Eddie. He goes over a lot of the case and what led up to it and the aftermath. Great watch.
Dayummmm....he was the 1st Navy Corpsman to go to Marine sniper school? That's so bad ass. Doc with a sniper rifle....now that is some serious skills.
hes not playing with his class's weapons
@@wuthemaurine735 I am not sure what that means?
(Mixflip) he mean like in a video game, where there are classes. Specific classes can only use their given items
@@ryanlin3783 oh i see. Videos games....gotcha. I'm old
Ur welcome also btw its Nathan Lin
‘Sometimes crayons...’
As a former Marine...those crayons were gold in Iraq.
red ones taste the best
@@ScumbagLemon bruh purple
I like the green ones, they taste like trees.
progreen
@@ScumbagLemon the yellow ones taste like yellow
Jesus. His actual credentials sound like those stolen valor people. Navy seal medic sniper
Justin Powell Lol that reminds me of that navy seal, doctor, astronaut.
@@GTBANNA no that's just Johnny sins hahaha
Alexander Fielding amazing
@@alexanderfielding4344 Johnny Kim bro, search him up, fucking badass.
Don’t forget; all around badass!
Thank you for this!! Outstanding coverage and information!
Usually in EMS when there is a Leg injury you Cut Off the pants because taking them off would take too long and maybe cause more damage.
Someone clearly wanted to see Eddie Gallagher gone.
Yeah, I'm working with a private ambulance currently to get more experience as an EMT, You cut someone's pants for the EMT-P to input an I.O., Or if you have to inspect the legs using DCAP-BTLS.
I honestly thought that was kinda common knowledge... as soon as he said he cut his pants i was like well of course he did...
July 2, 2019: NOT GUILTY
what?
is this a joke or is he actually not guilty just asking
@@jeremyb6012 oooh nice to know thanks for the info
Your welcome
If that’s the verdict, that’s amazing.
Woohoo, just in time to spend 4th of July with his family.
It never ceases to amaze me how the military can so easily turn on one of its own. It doesn't matter how heroic or decorated the soldier may be, he still has no credibility of his own.
Unfortunately it's the nature of the beast and a reality that is so one sided.
Colonel Walter Kurtz.
They didn't turn on their own, they blatantly protected a fucking war criminal
Ah yes, very heroic bragging about killing literal children lol.
@@connorbranscombe6819I bet your such an amazing person.
Update for anyone Eddie strolled out of court a free man he was only found guilty of appearing in a inappropriate picture and had already spent more than double the time before the trial. The case against Eddie killing the isis soldier took a massive blow when the prosecutors main witness said on the stand that he not Gallagher killed the fighter buy plugging his breathing tube, a mercy killing so the fighter wouldn’t be tortured to death by Iraqi forces
@Yeshua is Lord. Eddie was only found guilty for posing in an inappropriate picture.
However, he already spent so much time that he served his sentence twice (and therefore was free to go).
One witness later testified that eddie didnt kill the isis fighter at all. The witness apparently said that he himself (the witness) killed the ISIS-fighter. He did so in order to prevent the ISIS-soldier being tortured to death by iraqi forces. Basicly a mercy killing.
Hope this helps.
@@yankee891 he and the other seals who made up the stories had immunity, so they went back to the teams to be ostracized. He tells his story on a free range American podcast.
Lutoreos the dude didn’t actually do that he perjured himself on the stand because like cops and gang members seals aren’t supposed to rat on each other
Andrew Smith who made up the stories 😂😂 that’s a good one
The people who accused him of killing some one with our any real evidence did you even watch the video?
For anyone showing up to this video late, Eddie is already free. 6 of the 7 charges were dropped and he is now a free man. He was only charged with "posing with a war casualty in an unofficial photo", but he didn't serve any time for that charge due to him already being imprisoned for longer than the sentence of the conviction.
Cool!
more than that, they gave him the max sentence they could and tried to bust him down to an E1 and tried to take his trident away. Even though almost everyone in the platoon was in the pictures and none of them got charged besides Eddie.
What is sad is that his men who accused him because he was too "hard" on them is representative of today's military as a whole. The good ones got out or retired.
@@thearmy88ify Lets not forget that it just came up that Dan Crenshaw was actively trying to put Eddie in prison even though he was innocent.
@@Kevin-qi5bh I believe it and I dont like crenshaw but I dont understand what his motive is?
Humm, cutting pants off to assess the patient for injuries, and stabbed in the chest with a 3.5 inch 14g needle to decompress his chest, and needle to the heart to relieve caridac tamponade, and a cricothyrotomy so he can provide an airway. Humm, sound like some awesome damm good care to me, not a murder.
avnmech That is a lot of effort to save a bloke he could’ve simply finished off with one carefully placed round. You’ve got to wonder how many prosecutors have seen combat, when you are accusing one of the most highly decorated and experienced operators of committing murder then you best make sure it’s watertight. *shaking my head in wonder*
I personally think it's dumb to force our fighters to try and save the lives of terrorists in the field. They're animals and should not have the protections given to uniformed soldiers.
If they just wanted him for "questioning", then oh well. Information is power and all that.
I know! I’m kinda pissed that the ISIS fighter gets better medical care than me
He went to medical school so he could literally do that.
Eddie Gallagher could've skull fucked him to death and he would still be a fucking Patriot
“Army man arrested for killing isis terrorist” -2020 quote of the year
Dude, an army man _being_ arrested for that shit just proves they legit can't do shit right.
Civil Warlord pretty sure he knows. “ Army man” just sounds like something that is more known than a navy seal. We all know someone in the army if you’re from the states where as most people don’t really know what or how seals operate.
War criminal arrested for murdering incapacitated prisoner for his own enjoyment.
who the fuck says "Army man" hahah jesus christ that cracked me up
Sean D.G he was captured and unarmed.
Fresh socks, motrin, and sometimes crayons
in the army you go to the medic and hell give you 200mg ibuprophen no matter what is wrong with you lol
@@koekiejam18 the crayons are lunch not to be wasted on coloring
Hey! I resemble that statement....oh wait...ah fuck it, the blue ones taste the best.
@@mitchellhood8320 Fuck you! The red ones are the best! They remind me of blood.
@@USMC0311CplJackson . Please! The crayon itself is just filling. The paper, though, is the shit!
As a vet of 3 deployments my father a veitnam vet made me promise to do whatever it takes to come home alive. He told me he rather have me judged by 12 than carried by six. I didn't figure out what he was talking about until I got 7 months into my 1st deployment. The world's a messed up place
so don't jump on the bomb?
Most people don't understand the fucked up shit that can happen & does happen in war. The jungle environment of it all. International law really goes out the window
You're absolutely right Sir.
Most will never know the horrors of war and what it does to a man...
My father too was a Vietnam Veteran. I can't imagine what he went through watching his only son go downrange time and again. God bless you. And God bless the United States of America.
i would kill the whole town if i had to.
Well, I thank you for doing the fighting so I dont have to, sir. You and your father have my eternal respect and gratitude.
Thanks!
"Don't just hand out war crimes like candy..."
Unless as a diplomatic gesture....
Brah One I just got back from fighting terrorism and all I got was this War Crime Charge.
Sad when military officers turn politician.
turns out they kinda do
He got a nuclear killstreak and squeakers reported him for killing the lobby over and over thats what happened true story.
sarah gey true fax
Stfu 😂💀💀💀😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
This pretty much sums up whats happening. His teammates dont like him cause he was being to harsh in battle??? LIKE WHAAAAAAT?
Pretty sure it was a MOAB. Get your facts right.
What language are you speaking? My guess is gamer.
My father did two tours in Vietnam. 64 66. When I asked him if he had any regrets during those years he had only one story. Tay Ninh, 65. He was given wrong map coordinates and he called in a airstrike. Wiped out an entire village. It was a mistake, fog of war. In today's climate, my dad would be in prison.
Woah
@@mqbq3651 that's hard. But these stories given to us by our elders is why we should try and advoid war. WW2 Korea and Vietnam.. I couldn't understand the brutal tactics. WW1 as well.
@@mqbq3651 we never know what truly happens and we might not want to and I feel terrible that during every war the front lines and in general everyone that are there go charging in facing death and for what...family? Random people they don't know? Forced? For respect? Glory?
Who knows, only they truly know
And lots would do anything to go back home alive not in a casket.
It makes me think lots of us have it easy because of them
@@mqbq3651 war is scary we should all know that. And if people talk trash about those who died for us I wish they could feel and see what they went through.
Never disrespect those who died or fought for you/us
@@mqbq3651 See my friend, this thing you just told me. This.
I understand that wars and the political things that lead up to it are very messy. I do what the people who fought told me. Forgive. It wasnt the people as much as the political leaders.
Remember, love the solders.. Not the political leaders..
If he really is innocent, then poor him and f u to a broken navy legal system, prosecuting hardworking men like Eddie, what a shame.
Agreed but it's not just the navy buddy
If he‘s guilty, fuck him and I hope he rots in a cell
You have no idea what Obama did to the military while in office. It was a regular thing to go after SF, especially SEALS during his term. Many were put on trial for trumped up charges. An ISIS fighter makes a claim & US military goes full force after our men. It's meant to demoralize and tie the hands. There are so many career brass that are political & use their position to pick off one by one anyone in the military that jeopardized Obama's appeasement of terrorist regimes.
I’m glad his name is finally getting out there. Punishing a SEAL for doing what they were trained to do, is bullshit
@@iski4317 And you're an idiot. Men like him, heroes like him are why America exists to this day and assholes like you get to say what they want and not be executed. Try saying that against an ISIS fighter while living in Iraq - they'd kill you. Are you just ignorant or stupid?
Innocent until proven guilty.....Have you experienced the family court system.
Stupid fucking Karen
Yes I have, its awful
UCMJ does not operate under the standard federal, state, or local court system pretense of "innocent until proven guilty", either.
When your in the service your constitutional rights do not apply. I have seen that first hand happen to other people. The walk of shame upon bad discharge for drug charges. They had the whole batt line up and this guy in shackles had to walk in between all of us.@@The_Black_Knight
Worst experience of my entire life. Never been to any court for anything before or after. But it was absolutely atrocious what went on.
And the prosecutors were cited for all kinds of misconduct.
steve cwell they deserve it. All they cared about was making themselves look good. Eddie Gallagher will become the “Duke Men’s Lacrosse” case for military law. (For those who don’t know, the prosecution fucked up)
The platoon squad testimony is now online. You can clearly see his squad was shocked by his war crimes which took place in front of them.
DoppelCooper yeah man I was surprised to find out he did in fact commit war crimes. I mean shit happens but what he did was horrible.
@@mpgallogly Link to it?
@@mpgallogly so you're saying the disgruntled people who falsely accused a hero made a blog post complaining that everyone knows they lied? Sweet.
They essentially deliberated for one full day and then came back first thing in the morning and had a cup of coffee and gave their verdict. And the verdict was essentially that Eddie Gallagher was found not guilty of all of the serious charges - murder, attempted murder.Aug 24, 2021
"we didn't want to teach the 20 year veteran how to clean his gun because it made him miss the innocent people"
"also i plead the 5th"
uh huh
honestly if the gun were inaccurate, he would've been hitting more in turn. old drama but i still find that detail comically overlooked.
He's been ruled as non-guilty! #eddieisfree
www.salon.com/2019/07/05/the-curious-case-of-eddie-gallagher-did-donald-trump-help-a-navy-seal-get-away-with-murder/
Feel free to read and email this lady a reality check
A-10 Thunderbolt II - I voted for Trump and thought at the time he would be a single term president. Now I think it is time we repealed the 22nd Amendment. Drain the swamp and commission Eddie.
@@adamludwick9931 No, let's keep the 22nd amendment but still drain the swamp.
@@adamludwick9931: You're looking to be ruled by a King, or a lifelong dictator. Then you should be happier in Saudi or North Korea.
@@adamludwick9931 Hell no. Keep the 22nd because thats how we didn't get Obama for a third term. But keep draining the swamp.
This is absolutely rediculous... to treat a war hero like this is disgraceful. Thank you donut for doing your due diligence.
The Iraq war made no war heroes.
Depends if he broke the Geneva convention or not
He's not a hero if he's guilty of his accusations. If he's innocent this is horrible and I hope he will be thoroughly compensated
@Alexander Martinez Not on anyone's dick sir. Special operators peer review each other every single day. If he was a blood thirsty asshole executing detainees I would expect it would come up far before the end of his career. Seems many held this man in very high regard. Things just don't add up.
@Alexander Martinez You're right, he just had an absolutely stellar career, that one day, during his last deployment, towards the end of a hell of a career said "Fuck it, let me screw the pooch on everything and kill someone unarmed" Like Donut said, you don't know jack fucking shit because you weren't there and Donut provided plenty of evidence that this man's character was otherwise and that his "brothers in arms" were leveling these charges against him out of spite. Either way it doesn't matter, everything we say here is hearsay until the court decides his fate.
Eddie seems to be doing well, he trained me today at the range 🤙🏼
Wonderful shake his hand for all of us true Americans
@jackielaney5635 the guy killed civilans.
@user-xc7rf9zk4v you sound like a potential war criminal. If you're killing people who are on your side - as Kyle and Gallagher did - then I have to wonder.
@user-xc7rf9zk4v 'There are no civilians in war'. You sound like one of those edgy redditors, never say that again and continue playing COD.
@@trugrit7210name 1 civ he killed, he literally injected needles to keep POWs alive, did you watch the video at all
The real war criminals are too busy counting their money while the poor grunts risk everything and get nothing, except PTSD.
FACTS
No wonder lots of soldiers and spec-ops choose to be mercenaries instead... Better pay, better care, and everything else...
Nick Irving, the US Army Ranger, combat veteran with 33 confirmed kills, sniper. Irving left to do PMC jobs. 💲.
DL Lambert he got 33 in one deployment...he has way more than that
The only problem is they’re allowed to work with almost no oversight or scrutiny.
Lest we forget.. those types of jobs are NOT available to people who don't have years of experience operating within the spec-ops community
There's a difference between a Contractor and a Merc.
Just came across this. Great piece. If you haven't committed the same efforts to clear the MARSOC 3, please do. It's a tragic case of special operators (heroes) who are being denied due process, having their lives put on hold, and being charged for murder. All evidence exonerates them, but the Navy and JAG just doesn't care.
This is why I couldn't reenlist. I was with 2/4 in Ramadi 2004. The calls of individual Marines weren't called into question until my 3rd deployment in Iraq. We detained a terrorist arms dealer by setting up an improvised road block. We scared the life out of him apparently because the arms dealer was old and had a heart attack and later died. We tried to give him aid, but it didn't work. Less than a week later the pussy nerd NCIS agents wanted statements, but no one was charged. In war we shouldn't be 2nd guessing ourselves. We need to be held to standards yes, but we need to make sure we come home. I knew too many guys come back in body bags. We need to stop the politics in war.
Pussy nerds? You really help feed into the meathead stereotype of military men. Worst type of example. You are why I never joined the military, I knew it would be almost strictly low IQ meatheaded dude-bros. Also the fact that the wars are all built on lies. I feel sorry for all of the gullible people who joined after 9/11, you fell for all the lies hook, line and sinker. Robot.
@@everythingviral972 Nah, there are valid reasons to dislike meatheads, but the same can be said of bureaucratic dimwits who can find just about any reason to fuck shit up in different ways.
Assholes come in many forms
@@Sovaltair I agree completely.
This is coming from a guy that has no original content and makes his living from click bate. You are doing nothing but trying to troll me. That's fine keyboard warrior.
@@everythingviral972 And you have just proven yourself to be a brainless coward.
Gullible people for signing up?
You just sound like another pathetic loser who doesn't have the balls to enlist.
Marine from '86 - '95. Not once issued Crayons. I protest.
Yeah, donut messed up, you were issued colored pencils
Su-37 pilot: I-is that a... giant crayon? Shit! Deploy flares! Evasive evasive! I'm going down!
u lying rayciszt they put them in the mres
That is totally unacceptable I would love to send you a big pack of fresh box of crayons to help ease your pain lol
Sorry man, maybe we should start a gofundme for some crayons for you. No man should be deprived of pretty colors.
UCMJ: Were you where the incident took place?
You: Yes
UCMJ: You're guilty.
Wait, wait, wait...Firing a rocket launcher as a punishment?!? Don’t threaten me with a good time!
Apparently firing the Carl Gustav multiple times can cause internal injuries and in training, you're only allowed to fire it a max of 6 times a day
Raz Aghoul Hey, doesn’t a rocket launcher has a back port so it doesn’t have recoil? Or am I incorrect?
@@flamewarden7526 "The Carl Gustav recoilless rifle is an 84mm man portable reusable anti-tank weapon..."
Yes
Judah Boyd Huh, the stuff you learn in random TF2 videos.
(Yes, that’s we’re I learned that)
Bob Smoot wow! ‘Don’t threaten me with a good time!’ Looks like someone may have watched ‘Bret Michael’s Rock of Love’ way back in the day...
I will say- I believe the Chief to be an honorable man who when confronted with a guy out of the fight did what came naturally to him he was first and foremost a Corpsman. I have known some hard ass docs and they would hammer someone to protect their Marines. That said, when it came down to it every single one of them was a compassionate and good soul that helped people that were hurt. Hard to explain but it is ingrained in their DNA it seems. For those who do not know corpsmen- We as Marines say- Corpsmen are- Usually a young, long haired, bearded, Marine-hatin' Sailor with certain medical skills, who will go through the very gates of Hell to get to a wounded Marine.. We love our Docs- always.
"War crimes against isis" is this even real?
@Nobody Knows which the US would never recognize since we like killing people way too much.
The kid was like 15. He was brainwashed.
@@ANF_94 infantry have some of the best sucess rates in the private sector for IT, engineers, and high IQ jobs.
@@samfosdick9874 whoa I have a friend and know a cat named ISIS what are you saying?
@@MrManic52001 "high IQ" but they join Army Infantry with a 14 ASVAB lololol. Good one.
Appears to me that he was an amazing Chief and Seal. I personally don't think for a second he has done anything wrong. NCIS wants to build a name by prosecuting a real soldier. What a fucking joke!
Grant Marshall //deep state
can't wait to see you win that youtuber battle royale with Mr. Beast
thanks 🍩
@Nick is cool you should go follow his Twitter @DonutOperator
donut willl operate his way to victory
When i saw "eddie Gallagher " i clicked hella fast
Same dude
I did the same thing
David Diaz same!
Turbo Charged what?
@Turbo Charged fuck you, ani-military pussy Eddie Gallagher is more of a man than you will ever be
Hey, Donut Operator thanks for the run down. I spent 25 years @ JAG school. Admiral Crawford was my boss but as a civilian I had very few words with him. I find it interesting to have these higher ups putting their nose where it doesn't belong.
I’m completely on Gallagher’s side right now, dear god the media and everyone’s IQ seems to have dropped 20 points.
Dropped TO 20 points*
They would have had to of had 20 to drop.
20? Man you have a high opinion of them.
You mean by a 100 and them libtards wanting to destroy America
@Arrow Head lmao
Huge fan Eddie is actually my uncle 😂 so this video was very appreciated. Sorry I’m so late 😂
Call your memes Airsoft wait for real? That so cool dude! Hope he is doing well now!
For real. If so u got a cool Uncle
Your unk was the man im a fan of ED if you don't know the pressures of an officer don't speak on it
Good luck mate! My thoughts are with him. Week people cutting down a good man. Thats the true crime here. I'll have a beer 4 im. Cheers mate! 👍
Call your memes Airsoft hey buddy, I’m a Desert Storm Vet and if you see your uncle please shake his hand for me and tell him Thank You for everything he did and I’m sorry he was treated that way!
I sat under the wing of a C-141 one night that we were guarding on the tarmac of the Azore Islands and we were on guard duty with a bunch of seals and they are some of the best guys I’ve ever met in my life!!
We need more real men like your Uncle in this country!!!!
You should do a summary over this story as a update
Agreed. I would like t know the whole outcome and I'm sure many others would, too.
@@pantsaresuccess
He's free! Not guilty.
All the, Doc’s I ever served with were very, “Tuff individuals” and great respect for, Mr. Gallagher. They went everywhere the U.S. Marines would go and one, “Doc” saved my life. Love those guy’s. Semper Fi.
Like my father said when he got out of the 82nd,
"all the ribbons and medals on my chest would maybe get me a free cup of cofee, I'm just glad I got my boys home in one piece"
Lance fisher
Your dad sounds so cool. My daughter (20) is a MP in the Army and even before she went in, I always felt that the U.S. drops the ball when it comes to our soldiers. They deserve so much better and MUCH more appreciation. Please thank your father for his service!!
@@loriw2661 The country has a history of screwing veterans going back to the Civil War. Really did them dirty after WW1.
Especially the g bill
Blessings to you all and your families my Brothers and Sisters in Arms 4 Life.
Gallagher is a CRIM
Because stabbing someone is worst then vaporizing a village with airstrikes.
Going after those types of actions would probably require accusing too many people in top positions. This is easier
They want to avoid loss of life without losing life an air strike helps afterwards they can go in capture people or kill anyone that still fights
*worse
did you miss the part that the town was empty except for over 30 combatants?
Dropping bombs cost money and stabbing someone is free. They want you to spend money to kill.
Can we just point out real quick that the court with no primary piece of evidence other than accusations from enlisted men who had a history with Chief Gallagher still sent it to Courts Martial
@Brad Roberts ty
Not true. You just made that up.
Can’t imagine how bad it feels to sacrifice everything for your country, just for them to turn on you and try to throw you in prison to rot.
World: Have you ever heard of the Geneva Convention
ISIS: what is that
That's why we blow them out in circumstances that we don't do to actual soldiers of a nation. It's not like the world is being hypocritical when asking us to hold ourselves to our own standards.
Actually there has been a set of rules and regulations reguarding prisoners of war within islam for over 1400 years now.
We do have rules of engagement & have historically avoided civilian/ non combatant bloodshed, and the prophet himself did dislike utilizing catapults in warfare due to harm of civilians, (as opposed to night raids which is different)
In any case, yeah we have rules of engagement, currently some or most prominent islamic groups don't follow them as they should be or have simply ignored them.
In today's contemporary warfare it is fully possible to follow all islamic rules of warfare, however it would make some operations difficult or the global effort a bit more murky, for example if a US civilian who is muslim and supports islam is capable of targeting HVT's such as drone operators, various Defense contractors & organizations, house intelligence committee members, those who propagate AUMF's etc etc etc, ( people DIRECTLY involved in the war effort against islam) how much information is required before engaging a target? Example: X person is in the national guard & thus a member of the US military, is such a person a legitimate target as a open combatant or are they simply a mercenary who isn't directly fighting islam but is acting in his/her financial interests and hasn't actually seen combat or targeted muslims directly, same example applied to house committee members, various organizations, etc etc.
The thing is this war on terror is something that is being fought on multiple fronts in complicated ways and it's difficult outside of a battlefield to actually designate an individual as a legitimate target without actually fully researching the person and finding out if they have personally been invovled.
@@DemothHymside not true.
World: Have you heard of the Geneva Convention?
Isis: "I am machete"
They learned from Japan
Thanks Donut, for the informative review of SEAL Chief Gallagher’s case. Very eye opening on how the military justice system works.
Can someone make an "ask the white house" petition about this?
I've never seen a petition work.
@@therealdoc lol maybe true, but it might raise awareness idk
4:58 Roses are red, ISIS is wrong, your compound is now gone
Nice
Roses are red, ISIS is wrong; hippity hoppity your compound is gone.
Brilliant
The Juggernaut lmao u got that right...
I love a good limerick
As a former Corpsman in combat I assure you we did more than "hand out socks, Motrin and crayons
so you telling me this case is build around gossip??????wtf is going on with our military?
Yeah get ready in 2 years kero the wolf is joining when gets out
This has happened for decades since after WWI, not WWII. Anyone that has spent a full career in the military has witnessed someone experience this types of actions, if not themselves.
It's not just your military pal, nearly everything in your country is becoming like this.
xXRabbitSnipezXx wouldn’t say country but whatever floats your boat
Apparently he sent a photo from his phone to a friend with a picture of the alleged "victim" with a caption that read, "got him with my hunting knife". They seized his shit. That would be a some pretty damning evidence. I hope he gets life, but he'll probably get off with MAYBE a reduction in rank. That would put a huge dent in his pension. We can hope.
*_Insert Navy Seal copypasta_*
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@@megadumpy7042 Sir, this is McDonald's.
MAGnet Hauser
Can I get a boneless fries
Luke Jowell
Ssshhhhh
Luke Jowell you sound really butthurt why?
This kind of crap makes me sick. You get called names and get so upset that you accuse a man of war crimes? Absolutely not acceptable.
I used to be in the emergency services / fire brigade. I visited my old team a few years after I left and they told me how things had really changed. When I came on as the new guy, I was hazed and had to work my way up from doing the worst tasks until I earned my stripes. The recruits that followed after me were not having it and reported all my old superiors and mentors for bullying and tore the whole fire service apart with claims, accusations and court cases. Really professional, strict station officers were placed on mandatory leave, other super-experienced senior firefighters lost their jobs.
Many of the newer generation are p*****s and can't handle earning respect. They want it all given to them without the required blood, sweat and tears. Thank God I left when I did.
why i got out of the marines....... all kinds of fucked up.... no honor. the guilty until its benifiting those that haven't earned anything yet. Double standards and Favoritism.
Nice story but we still have at least an US medic who murdered a prisoner of war and an Eddie who only knifed a corpse.
That story, a very serious war crime and still lunatic behaviour from Eddie, is the best case and sounds like a total lie.
You „the youth is rotten and lazy“ rant, changes nothing.
@@d.h.1999 Your mom called, she said your Hot Pockets are done.
@@d.h.1999 Innocent on til proven guilty mor on how many engagements you been on none I would bet and if you did you were probably one of those pus___s we been hearing about I thank all our brave seals others should just stay in the army offices
I have the advantage of most probably being dead by the time the current generation takes over America.
If they think things are bad now, wait until nobody knows how to do anything and just sit around waiting for someone else to solve their problems!
I came here after he was on "Vigilance Elite" yesterday. They talked for over 5 hours about this whole thing. It was very enlightening, and also shocking how he and his family were treated. The guy seems like a fantastic leader and I believe he served with honor. 🇺🇲
Same, that was a great interview
@@edzachary8657 -- It really hit me in a lot of ways. I can't imagine how he must feel being betrayed by the very institution he served for. At least justice won out, I suppose.
Yeah amen mate
I was thinking the same thin both great work but donut gave us the cliff notes...good detail too if I may add!!
Psyco leader
"you ate my cookie butter!" -junior seals
You have a fucking lego as your picture and you're shitting on Navy special warfare operators hahaha fucking rich.
We should get a crowd of people and sue them back because we “saw” them do something that was wrong and provide no evidence
He had pictures with a severed head he isn't that innocent
@@rebeccaingala4373 He served his time twice over so by definition he is innocent.
Edit: dont listen to this comment im an idiot
@@rebeccaingala4373 wow, all for u too
@@feederdiaries4862 lol did you even watch the video get out of here lmao also did you not actually do research what he got charged for was taking a picture with a severed head
@@aqz7603 by definition he is "not guilty"... nobody can judge someone as innocent. Plus, if somebody is found guilty of a crime (like murder) and gets sentenced (example, 20 years), and serves that time it doesnt make them innocent. It just means they have 'paid their debt to society'
Awesome podcast! 🙏🏼🤙🏼
I saw an article about this titled "Navy SEAL decapitates brainwashed kid with homemade knife"
Jesus that’s a bit overkill
where?
Just throw Soup at all the Criminals.
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Alright soup! Go get em!
Tactical assault soup
Make sure it's not chunky!
What is the soup of the day?
Even if that ISIS fighter was murdered by him, I wouldn't feel bad. Any ISIS member isn't even worth the bullets you rightfully put in him.
Edit* I don't condone murder of captives. I don't, however, feel any pity for a fighter of an organisation like ISIS.
That's on one shoulder, and I'm sure they get medieval on ISIS every day. On the other shoulder, if his teammates turned him in then maybe there's something to it. All I know is that I would not want to be innocent and have to rely on 'military justice.'
Emrick Benedicto if he killed the isis fighter it wouldn’t be considered a war crime he was a enemy force. He was by war time agreement permitted to be killed... ncis is full of corrupted political cronies... same with the FBI. If Eddie doesn’t get out we will see many military veterans raising help up in the ranks... Eddie is clearly being framed for something he didn’t do and seriously cutting the pants might be so that the guys legs were all shot up... he was clearly doing medical procedures removing the pants in order to find the open artery and than using said cloth of the pants as a rope to tie off the limb to reduce the blood flow so the bleeding won’t be so heavy and it does work... although it would be hard for the limbs when under exposure to this restriction of blood flow for a long period of time can cause nerve damage but yeah... these smaller navy seal soldiers that were under eddies authority were pussies who can’t take leadership and are in fact conflicting when it comes to cooperating as a team... when Obama gotten into office we saw navy seal program turned from a mere 50 members to nearly 300 members 4 years later which was a very high increase...
@@mrpumperknuckles1631 Just because you are fighting him doezn't mean you can murder him after he was captured.
Bad take man. You dont lower yourself to their standards by slitting the throats of captured wounded
DeepCFisherman they don’t have a standard, not to mention this is war “morals” is what the dirty politicians hide behind to gain public support for themselves, the soldiers have to follow their rules and I respect the fact that the troops out there try to stay morally correct, but I wouldn’t blame them if they weren’t, either way they have my respect for fighting for our country and doing the things most wouldn’t or couldn’t
Today is the day I found out that NCIS is an actual real thing wow.
Atomic same here
i wonder if they have a leroy jethro gibbs... if so he should get on this case asap
FYI Jags (military lawyers) is also real
If you didn't know that just imagine all of the things you don't know, grasshopper.
NCIS are a bunch of pussies.. only got respect for Soldiers & Officers.
I love you donut. I hope he gets out
#FREEEDDIE
Me too
He and so many others should have got the death penalty long ago
@@aj5374 off yourself
@@aj5374 how many tours do you have overseas?
What a crock NCIS is. So did they charge the other 10 SF guys posing in the picture as well? I mean fair is fair, right? Thank goodness he was cleared of the major charges and retired with honors - he deserved it.
Good research. Thanks for clearing things up.
War is the most primitive state of man you can't claim the moral high ground in war.
Lions let by dogs....
False
DragonFruitXVI okayyyyy....?
DragonFruitXVI do tell
I think allegations might be the most primitive state of man. Before we were throwing spears, we were throwing shit.
manictiger holy fuck. Murdered by poetry.
thanks for putting in the effort @Donut Operator
War crime aginst isis I think it's should be called justice
Puneet singh are you fucking kidding me. He killed that Islamic extremist because he was already shot7 times, it wasn’t justice when they bombed our country and they will burn in hell as we liberate there women and children who don’t deserve to live in chains
@@kindaphoenix1842 proof you need to show evidence
Phoenix Shank wtf are you talking about
He shot innocent civilians too.
It's called a war crime because the US Government hates it when people kill their friends.
I love how they wanna treat a terrorist like a human being when they wouldn't think twice about torturing and killing us
Octopus Jesus ok well the whole idea is not stooping down to their level. We would not be any better than them. I believe he didnt do anything wrong tho
What happened to the brotherhood of soldiers why would you do this do your fellow brother
If I had anything to say to someone I had served with I would say it to his face. If we threw hands then so be it. Claiming the 5th is a punk ass move
They're sailors, not soldiers.
@@USSCYT I was a soldier. I just assumed that sailors would hold themselves to the same standards.
Blue Falcon infestation?
Hate to feed the stereotype, but wen I was in the military (just retired last year), millennial would get butt hurt over the smallest things, then complain in social media about how they were being brutalized and abused (zero evidence provided of course). I hate to say this, but these snowflakes seem to be more interested in protecting their feelings than our borders.
That is such a shame. Screw those guys. They don't deserve a chief like him.
Yea, he shot two civilians in the street, bragged about his kills, threatened witnesses who would report the murder, called in false grid coordinates in order to strike a mosque and executed a pow.
Totally not a war criminal. We dont deserve him.
@@liam9431 funny... I thought all of that was saved for the higher ups with all the scandals they have had. Just in case you are in the crowd of, " he did this shit": I side with Eddie. There is next to nothing that can prove any of this happened other than what some disgruntled squadmates of his say. Nobody else can confirm this. Those people should be dishonorably discharged or at the very least court martialed. They have tried to ruin his life over him being, "too harsh and demanding". It's just a bunch of bullshit if you ask me. Everyone else loves him and vouches for him except for a couple guys who have an issue being under his command.
I worked with Eddie as a logistics officer in Iraq. Just remember the day we were told we wont work with him any more.
As an Ex-Navy Corpsman that was field-med 8404, I can confirm the bull that gets thrown around when others feelings get hurt. We've had plenty of "investigations" from NCIS and upper command at Quantico. I feel bad for the chief as I've worked under a few chiefs that had his mentality about work and finishing the mission. I've been following the investigation and a lot of the statements don't add up and I feel like it's another good man getting the short straw. Good job Donut for keeping this factual and unbiased.
At this point I’m starting to doubt if America is “innocent until proven guilty” and starting to think it is more of “guilty until proven innocent”.
He literally had photos on his phone or the POW he murderqed moron
Isis fighters aren’t murdered, they’re neutralised. It’s not a crime to neutralise a terrorist. Especially when your own government sent you there for that very purpose. Cutting his trousers off is routine in any serious medical emergency where the injured person has leg injuries. You seem like another clueless leftard that jumps to conclusions without letting facts get in the way of your stupid anti American agenda. You’re the moron, not the original poster.
Mr Lum26 maybe I should clarify what I meant. They basically locked this American soldier up despite still not having conclusive evidence which is why I was doubting whether America was innocent until proven guilty. I have no idea what the rules are in the military but I’m not saying Eddie Gallagher did anything wrong cause I’m pretty sure he is the good guy in this. Edit : Mr Lum26 Oops thought you were mad at me
Hi Zuper. My comment was aimed towards the person that called you a moron. No matter what the law say’s our rights are, we’re always presumed guilty until proven innocent.
@@MrLum26 no it's a literal crime to murder a POW for someone watching a cop change you don't seem to care about the law which states its a war crime to kill a POW and the terrorist became a POW when he was unarmed and unconscious
Indoctrinating children,executing civilians non discriminately,overall madness VS allegedly stabbing a dead murderer
"overall madness"... That's rich coming from you, Sheogorath!
Even the god of madness this that ISIS is taking it too far haha
"Do you mind, I'm doing the fishstick, it's a very delicate state of mind"
Fred Flintstone what do you have against Israel
Donut: Stud, Patriot, Operator! Thanks for this episode.
Nicely done
Donut Operator.. You made this old vet a believer.. Will follow you, as long as you stay the course..
@S F I've had concussions from those things.
This reminds me of the British Army Officer Brian Wood who led a bayonet charge against terrorist forces at the Battle of Danny Boy. Years after the battle, he found out that allegations of war crimes were being brought against him. Eventually, he was acquitted and it turned out that the lawyer who brought forth the allegations was just looking to make a quick buck by winning this case when all of the evidence had long since been lost. Just really sucks to see decorated war heroes not being giving their due just because of some assholes that don’t like them.
UPDATE: Eddie's lawyers has video footage from a helmet gopro tjat shows him treating the isis fighter and fending off vengeful iraqi forces soldiers. Its in The National Interest article. 7 of May, 2019.
Robert Cantu link it please
Link nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/helmet-cam-footage-clears-navy-seal-accused-killing-isis-fighter-lawyer-56307
nationalinterest.org/tag/eddie-gallagher
The video has not surfaced online for those of you wondering. It’s currently behind closed doors. His defense claims that it shows he is not guilty.
That could be huge. Thank you much brother.
Thank you for covering this.
"Judge" in the military is like a group of political career officers, most who have never been in combat, from what I understand.
It's true
yeah from everything ive heard, NCIS are just a bunch of people who either failed out of basic or didnt fit in with marines/navy personnel and became mall cops to get back at those who did make it
It's a bullshit system, and a good way to get scapegoated.
"Shoot the Gustav the tank is heading straight for us!" *sobs*"AH WHY ARE SO MEAN YOUR LIKE A WARCRIMNAL"
I can understand how Eddie felt, I was never accused of war crimes as Eddie but I have been in a position where a low ranking member made up absolute lies about me because I worked him harder than some others and it got back to my supervisor and I was interviewed about the accusations and it pissed me off really bad and I felt like strangling the little lying bastard but then I would lose rank if I did that. So the little shit was assigned to another platoon but I sure let the LPO and LCPO know what was coming their way. A year later he was kicked out with a BCD, no surprise.
Good on ya for retaining your composure and not giving the little PoS what he deserves, man. It’s a shame fools like that even make it in.
Lucky he didn't get his teeth kicked in
Binary Coded Decimal ?!
@@Gunnl Bad Conduct Discharge. Essentially it's a bad way to be kicked out of the military.
hahaha that guy is a fking loser, good work.
I love the US marines equally to the love I share for the Royal marines. Alliance is especially important during these 'uncertain' times' Keep doing what your doing. Much love 💪
God save the King.
Just yesterday (June 3), the judge removed the prosecutor from the trial because he was accused of misconduct
What a fucking shock
Lmao
Just have to say. Anyone who has an issue with a medic cutting the pants off of someone who was wounded and "stabbing" them should probably never look into a trauma bay when a pt is brought in after a stabbing or GSW or... hell... 95% of all traumas that would warrant a full trauma activation. You absolutely cannot assess and work on a bad trauma while they are clothed. If you get in a bad car accident and have to get rushed into an ER odds are good a group of 10+ people will very quickly be standing over your naked body with your shredded clothes in a pile on the floor and a lot of them will be poking and prodding you with some sort of sharp object.
Thing is out in the field you don't have access to all of the super sophisticated sharp instruments we have in the hospital. If an incision had to be made out there I have no doubt it would be made with the tools on hand and those might not be the cleanest and nicest looking tools in the world.
Looks like he is a free man today and thank heavens.
War is ugly. Saving people is ugly. The two together could easily be described as... you guessed it. Ugly.
From a person in the know. You are damn right. I about got sick dealing with trying to extricate a man trapped in a crumpled van on the side of the road. ( my first ever time actually responding to a live call. And That was not after a bomb that was a van hitting a concrete retainer and turning the guy Rleg into a Z. With R foot broken backwards. So a think cursive Z. ) glad I was not by my self on that one. And the 17 time stab victim screaming at me for help that was hard. So yeah I always carry 2 pair of med shears. There is nothing strange about him cutting the pants off. My guess is he was not stabbing but actually checking the wounds on the enemy combatant and those guys who were young and scared probably hyped up on adrenaline did not really know what was going on. But You got the nail on the head in one. People should stay away from judging what they dont know. Sadly even the war fighters now in some sof teams think just cause they get pinned now they own eveything. We all think we are better than we are until the first few months on job teaches us other wise. And it teaches the job in a less than pristine settings. Regaurdless of the accusation innocent until proven guilty Beyond a reasonable doubt. It is not, well a little more than a rumor I heard from a friend, who talked with a guy in the room. Who claimed his buddy told him that there was qpq. Oh sorry wrong miscarriage of justice.
More to the story.
@The Man With No Name shut up virtue signaling "patriot"
HTYKJ no terrorist deserve NO rights at all and for good reason so how about you stfu buddy
@@cadeohlrogge5493 every terrorist deserves no rights. especially isis, who rape and kill innocent civilians.
Apparently Congress reviewed footage of the actual incident with the fighter who died and it completely contradicts the claims his team made against him. Things seem to be looking up for Chief Gallagher
Gj Donut way to be clutching at straws to prsent one side of the matter. The members of congress said that he was treating the kid's wounds however the claims said that a medic (not Gallagher) was treating the fighter and Gallagher just went over and stabbed him. Furthermore how did he die if he was getting treatment and his wounds were reportedly (and highly likely) not mortal. Now I could drone on about how many things the video did not disprove but think about this logically. Why did nobody in the entire platoon defend him. 9 people reported him and 12 testified against him after they got rid of him so they had no reason to just fuck him over. Also Donut and these people make it sound like a bunch of junior seals were just pussies on the battlefield and decided to stab Eddy in the back even though multiple senoir seals have also confronted him (he also has a history of reports made against him). The only reason this couldn't have been handled internally is because at every stage up the chain of command they dismissed the claims. An entire platoon against one dude in the Navy Seals. THESE THINGS DON'T HAPPEN FOR NO REASON. And even if he's innocent don't pardon him.... prove it!
@@KHLB516 That's what I was saying it wasn't him treating the guy's wounds but they tried to make it seem like it was.
@@daniellanyi8287 this is America. We don't prove innocence. You sound like the liberals and their Trump derangement sybdrome. Dude was an experienced medic. Had been through green beret medics school. As in far more training amd experience than a corpsman.
@@KHLB516 there is no dishonor is smoking terrorists. Only glory
@@codinginzen8793 "We don't prove innocence" - lol then why is this whole investigation going on? Let me ask you something if you don't mind. Suppose you witnessed a war crime. You witnessed someone on your platoon murder a civilian for no good reason. What would you do in that situation?
Great show Sir1. Let’s hear it for Eddie!
For those who don’t have any military experience, and I’m surprised Donut didn’t know this because of his service, the Carl Gustav is a “recoilless rifle”, which i *believe* is an 84mm rocket. Largely used for Anti-Tank capabilities and other armor, and there’s a buncha different rockets.
H.E.A.T. rounds are High Explosive Anti- Tank and H.E.D.P are High Explosive Dual Purpose. These rockets can be massively disturbing to the operator of the Gustav. If you are to shoot more than like four or five in a period of 24 hours, you can have damage done to your head and internal organs.
Doesn’t happen often, just thought I’d clear that up for anyone who doesn’t know why that Officer were to say that him making his SEALs shoot that Carl Gustav a dozen times would be too disciplinary. Even then, sack up, you’re in country. Get fucked. Go Gallagher.
Nah he mentioned what it was sardonically
Actually it is more harmful to the 2nd man but when I trained on one I would volunteer to fire 20 if the army could ever afford that kind of thing. They are a lot of fun.
Oh no muh internal organs. For real though who cares
I know guys who used the 84mm CarlGustaf. It's the propellant going off next to your head that is the problem. Operators sometimes gets nosebleeds after a few shots and there have even been cases of concussion. Is very individual how you react, to some people 12 shots in 24 hours can be really bad.
Now, in a war shit happens and I'm sure those 12 shots were not fired just for fun.
When I fired the 84 mm back when I was in we had ear muffs so I was good
This changed my mind, I was convinced he did it. I'm glad you made a video on it.
Imagine serving a country for 20 years and thats the thanks you get. Geeez.
So, what convinced you? All of those great news reports? Innocent UNTIL proven guilty. Yeah, you're an idiot.
@@DanielTomaka Did i not just say i changed my mind?
I saw the news reports and i never looked into it.
You cant be giving me shit for actually forming a new opinion based on new information, if i was still convinced after watching this video and spewed bs in the comment section id understand your response.
@@sebbe636 but if you were swayed so easy here, are you often swayed so easy? And will it happen in the future?
@@F4EPhilosophy What gave you the impression that i was swayed easy? Donut made a great video clearly explaining what was going on, It really put it into perspective for me.
@Charleston Gamer it matters because if you treat them the same way they treat us, it's not justice, that's not morally right. It only justifies their actions and gives them reason to act the way they do.