I agree even in IT science a lot ( most ) can be learnt online ... it makes sense to have university degree where there is regulation and agreement with state ( law , medical ... ) or from a top Engineer school or management school ... and its mainly for networking also there. I have example of one friend who did one of best engineer school in France , when I asked what he learnt additionally on the top of his previous education , he said nothing but I got the badge and the network . I find particularly the case about degrees from US/UK system ...IMO its sort of scam - a lot of money put in some degree for little output . In the future most of knowledge will be taken from online experience , but you need to have strong discipline for that. I am graduated from Engineer school in France , it did not give more technical knowledge but more a mindset/methodology to get.
hello Jim, I found you with the Bulgarian expat video, and surprisingly I can see you are maybe a media buyer/digital marketer? Very interesting, I'man Italian expat to the UK. I'm trying to do the same career (media buying or digital marketing). The life in the UK is very expansive. Is there any chance to have a direct messaging chat with you? :)
Data science professional here. I have to push back on your claim that you don't need a "degree" on web dev or accounting... Honestly, to learn some of these things on your own is HARD and I can speak personally another that because I spent a 1.5 years teaching myself how to code before deciding to join a really great coding bootcamp and I definitely learned more in 3 months than I did in those 1.5 years. When you're new, it's really hard to build a foundation when you don't know what you don't know and while I'm not saying a full 4 year degree is necessary to learn technical skills, after actually going through the self learning process, I think it's really rare for you to be able to teach yourself the skills to actually gain real employment without some form of formal training
Appreciate the input! What I’d say is; expensive universities for multiple years and a bootcamp that’s way more targeted and for much less time (and those sometimes are not even in person but online) are not the same. While yes, it is hard to pick up a new skill, no one disputes that, the argument is whether employers nowadays even screen for these degrees or mainly look at skills which can be obtained online. I’ve personally hired over 80 developers in my career, never had a degree requirement, several other companies I know don’t screen on degrees necessarily either. It’s not a bad thing to have, but not necessary like it used to be. Main positive aspects of uni is network and not the info, used to be kind of opposite or have a similar value to network but now you can network and get info by participating in some of these better courses/bootcamps online or even in person.
I agree with you. Food for thought!
I agree even in IT science a lot ( most ) can be learnt online ... it makes sense to have university degree where there is regulation and agreement with state ( law , medical ... ) or from a top Engineer school or management school ... and its mainly for networking also there. I have example of one friend who did one of best engineer school in France , when I asked what he learnt additionally on the top of his previous education , he said nothing but I got the badge and the network . I find particularly the case about degrees from US/UK system ...IMO its sort of scam - a lot of money put in some degree for little output . In the future most of knowledge will be taken from online experience , but you need to have strong discipline for that. I am graduated from Engineer school in France , it did not give more technical knowledge but more a mindset/methodology to get.
hello Jim, I found you with the Bulgarian expat video, and surprisingly I can see you are maybe a media buyer/digital marketer? Very interesting, I'man Italian expat to the UK. I'm trying to do the same career (media buying or digital marketing). The life in the UK is very expansive. Is there any chance to have a direct messaging chat with you? :)
Yes, paid ads is my bread and butter. Hit me up on LinkedIn.
Data science professional here. I have to push back on your claim that you don't need a "degree" on web dev or accounting... Honestly, to learn some of these things on your own is HARD and I can speak personally another that because I spent a 1.5 years teaching myself how to code before deciding to join a really great coding bootcamp and I definitely learned more in 3 months than I did in those 1.5 years. When you're new, it's really hard to build a foundation when you don't know what you don't know and while I'm not saying a full 4 year degree is necessary to learn technical skills, after actually going through the self learning process, I think it's really rare for you to be able to teach yourself the skills to actually gain real employment without some form of formal training
Appreciate the input! What I’d say is; expensive universities for multiple years and a bootcamp that’s way more targeted and for much less time (and those sometimes are not even in person but online) are not the same.
While yes, it is hard to pick up a new skill, no one disputes that, the argument is whether employers nowadays even screen for these degrees or mainly look at skills which can be obtained online.
I’ve personally hired over 80 developers in my career, never had a degree requirement, several other companies I know don’t screen on degrees necessarily either.
It’s not a bad thing to have, but not necessary like it used to be.
Main positive aspects of uni is network and not the info, used to be kind of opposite or have a similar value to network but now you can network and get info by participating in some of these better courses/bootcamps online or even in person.