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In this special episode, Tom Moloughney, host of the State Of Charge and Inside EVs podcasts, joins Andre for an in-depth discussion about the Ford F-150 Lightning, Rivian R1T, America's charging infrastructure, and LOTS of other EV-related topics. You definitely don't want to miss this!
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1:29 = Ford Online Portal Experience
2:59 = TFL Northern Lightening
16:48 = Regeneration / Breaking
21:47 = First Impressions
24:14 = Towing Experience
25:36 = Ideal Use-Case
29:09 = Payload Rating
30:10 = Cost Per Kilowatt Hour (kWh)
31:53 = Charging Infrastructure
38:00 = Battery Energy Density vs Gas
43:12 = Competition
45:29 = DC Fast Charging
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Ev’s are like the first flatscreen tv’s. Eventually you will get 32” for 100$.
This cracks me up and is so true! Batteries keep getting cheaper w/ more density and electric motors are very simple. I think it will eventually be cheaper than ICE as those are very complex.
I believe it will be years down the road before we'll be seeing a price drop on the lightning. Actually I expect the prices to continue to increase annually, until there are many more lightnings on the road.
1:29 = Ford Online Portal Experience
2:59 = TFL Northern Lightening
16:48 = Regeneration / Breaking
21:47 = First Impressions
24:14 = Towing Experience
25:36 = Ideal Use-Case
29:09 = Payload Rating
30:10 = Cost Per Kilowatt Hour (kWh)
31:53 = Charging Infrastructure
38:00 = Battery Energy Density vs Gas
43:12 = Competition
45:29 = DC Fast Charging
Thank you for the help! -Andre.
Thanks for having me on Andre, this was fun.
I too enjoyed and learned from Tom. His many years of EV ownership provides a perspective that is important for us newbies to hear and appreciate.
Two of my favorite TH-camrs in one place. What a great day!
Tom’s range tests are The Best.
You guys always put out great podcasts. Keep up the good work 👏
I love listening to Tom. Glad to see him on tfl with Andre. Great content.
Thank you for watching.
A lot of the hotel J1772 plugs were installed back when the only vehicles that could charge off of them were Leafs (Leaves?) and other cars that couldn't take 40+ amps. However, most of the Tesla destination chargers at the same locations can take the full 48A. I keep a Teslatap in my vehicle for this reason. A side benefit is that every Tesla driver has a J1772 adapter, but very few J1772 cars have tesla adapters, so by using the Tesla destination charger I am keeping more chargers available for more vehicles.
Been driving ev’s for about 10 years. People understand gallons when talking about ev’s. I tell people that my Lightning Pro that’s being delivered next week cost about $0.80/gallon compared to a average PU
Was your estimate 7/7-7/13? Hoping to see mine this week.
Since you’re familiar with EVs I’m curious how much road tripping you intend to do with the Lightning? And towing either locally or on road trips, how did that figure into your plans?
@@skyemalcolm no interstate towing, beach and mountain trips, using mostly the Electrify America network
@@vbaker4 7/23 - 7/29
That would be great, but $.80 won't buy you very many kwh of electricity. If you just paid $.10/kwh that would be 8 kwh if you could achieve
3 miles/kwh that would be 24 mpg
2 miles/kwh that would be 16 mpg
As your kwh costs increase your mpg
decreases.
I don't believe you can purchase a kwh of electricity anywhere in the US for $.10/kwh.
The lightning will average not towing:
2 miles/kwh on 70 mph roads.
2.4 miles/kwh on 55 mph roads.
3.4 miles/kwh max in city only.
In order to get just 40 mpg for $.80
You'd have to get 5 miles/kwh, which isn't possible with the F150 lightning.
And that would be at $.10/kwh.
Great discussion with The Truck guy and The EV guy together. Would like to hear your takes again in a couple more months.
Great show guys. EV truck adoption should eventually lower gas prices for those that need ICE trucks for long range towing.
Nope…..prob make it more expensive
at 3% of new car sales it will be a hell of a long time.
The opposite will happen. There will be fewer and fewer gas stations and supply will be less and less. EV trucks are still at least 10 years out from being a viable towing option.
1st, fantastic show guys. From a diesel guys perspective, I think this technology is fantastic, and as it was stated "the right tool for the right job". Not to bring in politics, but please don't force this down peoples throats, just provide the options and people will embrace with enthusiasm. As stated...a diesel guy, I also placed my deposit two months ago on an R1S
So Agree just show the good and bad and let people decide.
Hopefully Tom set TFL up with how to charge from a TT-30 [30 A, 120 V outlet used at campgrounds] with the proper adapter for EVs [RV adaptors don’t work]. TFL will likely need this on their trip to Alaska.
Good video! I currently have a 2019 F150 and a MachE. I'm holding out for a range-extender Lightning, which I think would be the perfect compromise.
Part of this vid cast was on brake pads. I had a 99 F250 SD TD THAT HAD 97K miles with 20K pulling a 9K fith wheel. I replaced the pads @ 92k and they still had about 10k of pad life left in them. The back pads still had about 50% of life left.
Some people don’t use the brakes. I rarely do
question, how hot should your EV charger get? my Lectron 40 amp charger gets up to around 146 degrees F in the summer. usually stays around 100 in the winter, both temps in my garage. Thanks
Battery grade lithium has increased in price by over 400% in just the last year alone and demand is just getting started. Assuming that the price of batteries will drastically come down in cost isn't necessarily a guarantee.
The future holds many compromises. Choose wisely. Keep my hybrid soooo much easier to get around.
Your right on. I will keep my hybrid also as i have no use for an electric truck that has to be charged every 200 miles. They would work for running around the city though.. I cant people are going ga ga over them.
@@JCL43 Have you driven one yet? They are FUN! They handle well with low center of gravity, they have immediate torque off the line, and the "tank" is full every morning when I leave the house because I'm able to charge at home. Are they for everybody? No. But these reasons are why people are "going ga ga over them".
This is literally my current dream truck.
Thanks for nice podcast.
I've had my Rivian for 3 months now. I have repeatedly put my the truck in conserve mode and gotten 305 miles of range on the All-terrain tires
How big is the battery (kWh) ?
@@sking2173 Practically the same as the Ford Lightning, I believe 131kWh to Lightning's 135kWh.
17 minutes in and all you've talked about is the Rivian....
I love Tom
How does the charger know what the max charging rate would be on a circuit? Does it monitor voltage drop if you are pulling more amperage than the hardwiring could handle such as if someone were to plug into a 50A outlet that was wired with #12 feeder wiring?
if you have a 50 amp outlet that is feed with number 12 awg . please call a real electrician, but simple answer no.i am sure they monitor voltage but residential voltage very widely.a residential home might have 245 v .but a commercial 3 phase service will only have 208v between a and b phase. so the residential could drop all the way down to 200v and the charger will see it just like the commercial 208v, again short answer no
@@jeffforbes70 you never saw homeowners work i guess.
@@kol3994 yes i have. that's why i said if you have number 12 feeding 50 amp outlet call a real electrician.its not just home owners theirs a lot shady people that claim to be qualified.
Dude The main question i had was how does the charger know what the kw or amperage of the charge would be. Andre showed that he was using 50A to 30A adapters at a campground. I was putting it in terms of what could be pulled vs what is actually available. Such as how does the charger know that you are on a 30A 120v circuit vs a 20 or 15 A ckt since you can use adapters to plug into either 15 or 20a receptacles from a 30A factory wired cord, or Adapt a 50A to a 120v 15 a. You sound like a smart guy, maybe you heard of those. Or maybe you cant grasp that question
@@kol3994 that wasn't your original question .if you use a adaptor from 30 to 50 amp it would not know. if it draws 45 amp it will trip the breaker. they may be able to adjust the charging rate on screen in the lightning. it can sense the voltage difference between 120 or 240. but there is no way it could sense that you adapted to a lower amperage supply.
the question you should ask can the charge rate be lowered at the truck to acomodate the 30 amp adaptor. level 2 charge rate is 80 amps they where charging at level on the is 120v at 12 amps so 30amp receptical will charge just fine./
I’ll be looking to buy a lightning in the 50k range to commute and do everyday things. I’ll be letting my paid off 2011 F-150 coyote sit until I need to haul a trailer or go on vacation . I’m definitely not waiting 45 min at charging stations that are hard to find on my planned route. (Which is the most direct route. Not rerouting 15 miles off planned route to find a charging station. ) is this a bad idea? 🤔
I'm driving a Buick Encore with 235000 miles on my original brakes. But I'm also doing 90% highway driving.
My Lightning story is the worst. My truck was built on 5/10, shipped 6/2, delivered to railyard on 6/9. From there is where it went bad. It sat there a week and then the dealer found out it was put on hold for a QC issue and was accidentally mis sent. So on 6/18 it was trucked back to Dearborn to get QC issues taken care of. I received a built email on 6/25 and a shipped email on 6/27. It is now 7/9 and I still have no truck. I linked up with the regional manager in the area, and he did some digging to find out that my truck has not even shipped yet. He said that it is supposed to ship this weekend. Why does Ford send me a shipped email 2 weeks ago when it never actually shipped. Tracker now says I should get my truck 7/21-27. The whole time the visibility report has never been updated since the first delivery on 6/9.
@@nc3826 What do you mean he already mentioned it?
brand new product. many problems as usual. just wait
Cents per mile is the best way to compare fellas.
You can't compare cents per mile to prop up the electric vehicles because you have to account for all the down time you spend charging them.
@@mustangecoboosthpp3869 if you’re mainly charging at home, it’s a moot point. In fact you’re better off because you don’t have to stop at a gas station.
Not everyone likes to drive for hours at a time and stop frequently even if they have a gas engine on long trips. If you don’t like stopping, this isn’t the vehicle for you and there’s nothing wrong with that.
@@mustangecoboosthpp3869 You should spend some time listening to these guys and become informed.
Trolls. who just repeat pointless memes, can't compare cents per mile... since math and facts just confuse them...
Remember, no charging stations in WV when you visit your buddy in FL.
Rose colored glasses.
@@davidkendall6801 Off the I-95 to be specific. Other parts of WV do have charging stations.
Most people charge at home.
Big Coal doesn’t want its electrons in your EV. WV is currently a CCS black hole. Eventually they will figure it out but the boogie eaters take a little longer to do right thing. Probably Elon’s SuperChargers will have CCS plugs before that corrupt state gets its stuff together and funds charging infrastructure.
Wow! Another reason not to drive through WV! There were so many already!
I think he’s a little generous with his 10 year EV timeframe
Some places you may get 200volt and sometimes you'll get 240v
On my 2nd tesla and i was really hoping that they would have made a normal looking truck yrs ago. They missed out on a huge market and now ford will take the lead
Do you think the cost of putting in Chargers is going to come down in the next couple years. A couple hundred thousand dollars to put one in and then the maintenance is hard to swallow.
Not until today did I fire up ABRP and just messed around pretending that I was going to drive a Ford Lightning across the country and compare it to my EV6 58 kWh standard range. I gotta say, and don’t take my word for it check it out for yourselves, but that Lightning, unladen and no trailer is slow as heck vs the quicker charging cars. I compared i4 and EV6 and those were like 4-5 hours of charging to go from Ohio to Arizona whereas the Lightning was more like 8-9 hrs.
It’s almost like range, efficiency and charging speed matter for EVs and this new batch of trucks was maybe not all that well thought out for doing things people sometimes do, like hit the road and drive a couple/three states away. 🤷🏼♂️
Again go try this experiment yourself. I know from experience ABRP is pretty accurate with my EV6 so I’m going to assume it’s pretty close for the Ford as well.
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this is one the best ford truck in the world and will sale a lot of the truckd you see here in the video baby
Imagine buying an expensive new EV and the batteries fail at just 65,000 miles. You reapir to replace that battery pack is going to be around $20,000 dollars. You cant finance a repair bill. Also, you'll be lucky to even get a replacement battery as there availability is scarce.
Most of the R1S & R1T will never see a dirt road.
I don’t understand why Mercedes could track my EQS from before it was built until it got off the boat in California. But Ford can’t track a truck from Detroit to California.
good luck with your myriad of unnecessary MB electronics. You will be sorry. Electric nightmares like the rest of their cars. And i love German cars, just cant ever own out of warranty.
That was weird by Andre......but you have it though.....you have it already.......but you have the truck....... kinda rude. The guy was trying to explain how he didnt like the purchase process and you completely dumped that in the garbage.
Listen to that part again - Andre was pointing out that Tom already had the truck yet Ford is sending an email to Tom saying his truck will be delivered soon… this was in no way being rude, he was agreeing with Tom’s point.
@@RMC2021 Yea I see what you mean, maybe I misunderstood it. It just seemed weird
ATM all EVs have serious shortcomings, technology is moving forward slowly, most people hope engineers will solve problems with range, overheating, capacity, affordability, and usability to name a few, shorter charging times, battery degradation, recycling, sourcing raw materials, cold weather, etc, will continue to be a problem for years if not decades to come.
I enjoy the show and I am a big fun of TFL & SoC, I have the means to buy an expensive vehicle but that is not the case for most people, Elon Musk is not Henry Ford, there are over a million Model T’s still on the road, Model 3 (phonetically similar) in concept the people’s car, will never be, starting at $46,999 before taxes and fees, and probably more by the time the car is delivered, is beyond the means of half of the US population and most of the world, and then there is greed, car dealers markups, add another dimension to affordability and ownership, with auto loans approaching 10 years, current EVs will be obsolete by the time the loan is paid in full, 3 years lease with no buyout option will probably be the only viable option, which doesn’t benefit consumers who otherwise would like own there vehicle.
I am glad that TFL and SoC are reporting on real world tests, Thank you 🙏
Wrong in every point. There are now EV that charge fast; drive long and don't cost a lot. The Hundai Ionic 5, Kia EV6, VW ID4, Mustang Mach E among others are perfect examples. Even funnier is that all this misinformation comes from gubbers that dont look sideways when dropping 100k on a platinum F150🤣
Guys I hope the best for the ev movement. I myself have hybrids and green amenities but No one I mean no one can forecast what our communities will be like when 50% of the population goes full ev. Everyone with these evs are holding hands singing kumbiya @ less than 1% adoption! Wait is all I can say. Folks don’t like to wait. Oh I know charge at home. Charge at home…Yeah all fine and dandy for folks who don’t take trips more than a day from home. People can’t stand to wait at a stop light that has defaulted to timed switching. You think 10-50% of the population is gonna accept 1-5hrs at super chargers?!! Gonna get ugly and it’s gonna set the entire movement back years. Oh you just wait garny the battery tech will have it down to 5 minute recharge. Oh, ok. No problems there. Recharge a 60-200kW pack in 5 minutes. Clark griswald Xmas light display comes to mind. I guess xiden did say plan for brown and blacks outs this summer. I predict mobile genny service is gonna be hot!
@@nc3826 fwiw…be ready for a lot of 😂
Getting more and paying less😆 and no one is being forced to partake😂😂 I heard that about a vax once too. And esg is just a fairytale 😂😂
Range extender and perfecting battery swapping 😂😂 that’s gonna work well in the rust belt especially in the winter slop 😆😆. “Oh hey Bob pull that semi in with trailer and let’s swap that battery”😆😆 so now we’ll need 2x the batteries to keep the trade and commerce moving😆 along with massive infrastructure to carry out swapping 😆😆 3 Prius, 160 ft2 hot water and 10kW solar systems, high efficiency wood boiler…fwiw I know a thing or two about “green amenities” Btw…CG and Santa are not real??You got me. Keep the acronyms going stud. Oh sorry?!…I hate to misgender, please add your pronouns 😆😆
@@nc3826 😆 you really think the range extender is going to stay?😆 the problem in these “expert climate activist” eyes is the ICE. It’s gonna be all electric or Amish…oh shoot that’s right horses are next on the chopping block after cows.
Approx 65% of adults (in US) own homes. How exactly are the other 35% going to 'charge at home' when they live in rentals? You can't have a charging station at every parking space.
@@doublebackagain4311 all good points. Yeah the green pushers are getting the cart way ahead of the horse. Are charging stations gonna be the new “taverns” of old??
Question, as we look for alternatives to our mobility what ever happened to using cooking oil with diesels? specifically used cooking oil.
Are modern Diesels just to refined towards regular diesel fuel to use it?
Love the shows, keep the good content going
Bio-diesel
How much gas do you use daily, do you fry that much oil?!
Energy density is everything! Diesel currently has the highest energy density, only 50% efficient. EV is 37% Efficient not including the Vampire drain.. If I park my Truck E350 Super Duty 7.3 diesel for 1 month with a full tank after a month I still have a full Tank. If you do not drive your EV truck, not plugged in but full charge, what will happen to the state of charge after a week? Month?
Vampire drain is a non-issue in modern EVs. As long as you aren't pinging the car waking it out of sleep you will maybe lose a percent a week in my experience. Also, most people don't leave their car undriven for a month. Additionally if you have access to an electric outlet just leave the EV plugged in and there is no issue, which 2/3rds of Americans will easily have access to.
@@advosburgh the Chemistry of any battery storage, will lose power over time, Especially with a BMS system that you cannot turn off. Even my Van with its two AGM’s will still lose voltage overtime and that is a 20 year old computer system running that power train. Especially in Winter, however they only have to start my 7.3. An EV the batteries are everything. Really the tech is not up to it, should have worked on a stepping stone the 5th generation of HYBRID running a 3 cylinder diesel running at 1800 rpm generating AC voltage hooked up o Tesla AC drive based system which is more efficient at Hyway speeds, then fully electric in town under 45 mph for a 50mph range, but the diesel will run to extend the range or run A/C or heat etc. 28 hp you say yup but 115lbs of torque, running a Tesla Pancake type Generator. Again can plug-in but does not have to. That system will run on 1/2 gal/hr. Waiting for the holy grail of room temperature superconducting, which will change everything.
I haven't experienced any vampire drain. A few weeks and still showing as I left it.... unplugged. That misconception most likely originated from Tesla software background apps, features that can usually be turned off
Your 37% is far from reality without any data, the consumer costs from the grid show such. Most will experience a $20-$30 monthly electric bill increase over 1,000 miles monthly on a mid sized EV. Gas and Diesel are over 3x that figure.
@@wzDH106 oh, side note, moved my Navy Test Pilot son and his family from Pax River MD, too Pensacola FL, with my van a 2002 E350 7.3 Superduty diesel towing my 27 foot car trailer in closed rated for a internal 10,000 lb load trailer is 15,000lbs took everything out of the van seats etc, just carpets and my son filled my van his truck which then put in the car trailer and then preceded to fill around it, figure a full load in both about 25,000 lbs. drove to Pensacola and got 14.5 mpg , yes at 60 mph the whole way 1000 miles , 65 gallons of diesel, note have 150,000 miles, and original owner and yes have done many mods, too make it more efficient and reliable. Those are real facts, real world use, the longer I own and drive my van the more the original Energy that went into creating it becomes a null point to the energy that it has delivered out of burning diesel, I figured that I reached that 3 years after purchasing it, I also frequently tow a 10,000lb holiday Rambler 29foot, not too mention all of the other trips etc.
EV are ad of now inly good for daily driving. If the range is enough for your daily commute then its perfect.
But for traveling distance and towing the range and infrastructure is not there yet.
That is why i have a Plaid for a daily.
Van for travel.
Truck for towing.
Sport cars for racing.
Motorcycle for riding.
Its avout having the right tool for the job.
Like Roman said its not worst its just different.
You wouldnt use a drill to cut a piece of wood right? You need a saw for that.
So please dont make it seem like EV is the best cause its not.
Honestly i think hybrids that use battery power but when low on range a gas engine starts up and charges the battery for range or can even work as one with the eletric motor in sport modes for spirited driving or if you need the power is best of both worlds.
The Lighting is little more than a novelty. Sure is fun but as a pickup, just not practical for doing what trucks do....tow. it's essentially a shorter range electric car with a bed.
I'm not interested in towing. The majority of trucks I see are running solo, solo occupancy and solo without a trailer. But hey, if I can tow a boat to the coast or nearby lake then I'm sold. I was never a RV road tripper anyway, isn't my kind of camping.
As for solo road tripping, without towing, 300+ miles is complete overkill out here in the PNW. I wouldn't be surprised to see 350 miles on the lightning out here in rural WA, though our back roads are primarily 40-50 MPH, we rarely see highway speed.
@@wzDH106 essentially, when uses like an EV car, it's fine, right? When you see the trucks without trailers or solo, you are literally seeing a small portion of that trucks usage. I tow several times a month or haul. Most of the time I am not. The thing about a pickup is that it needs to be able to tow haul at least 100 miles without being dead empty and requiring a 45 minute charging time. If towing 42 miles to a lake, you still have to make it back as there won't be any charging there. 84 mile round trip, in summer, is pushing it. You will have to stop and charge on the way back, with a trailer.
@@wzDH106 to put it simply, if you are a person that needs a pickup for what pickups are used for, a Lighting is not the right vehicle. If you want a pickup to use as a car then it's perfect.
@@greenshield1
As an EV? I'm not sure I'm following. They all have wheels correct? I can still load the truck up at Lowe's correct? I can still load a trailer with lumber for a project correct? I still have 4×4 with adequate stock ground clear correct? I can still attached a camper or rooftop tent, take the dogs Northwest of the Olympics for a week.... correct?
I'm not sure what an "EV" is supposed to do, we've been using them as everyday vehicles out here for a few years now, no handicaps for us.
As for the millions of trucks sold annually, it would be silly to assume the majority have seen multiple states, or regularly towing 10,000 lbs 4,000 miles. Most are running juice box errands for the kids.... in all honesty.
@@greenshield1
But yes, it isn't for everyone and I agree with you. For those who NEED a heavy duty hauler, the EV isn't here. I sure wouldn't be considering an EV for frequent hauling.
I really hope Ram's EV is out by the time I'm ready to get rid of my current Ram, but I REALLY hope the Ram EV doesn't look at all like the concept art. If it does, I will be switching to Ford.
Computer screens, cup holders, 3 seats, 0 - 60, snob presence, cachet, one pedal driving is ok for light duty and local use. Zero to 60 makes little sense. Might need to carry a small gas powered generator in case of emergency.
Real working trucks with loads and towing are another matter.
Supposedly, batteries and electric motors last forever. I'll wait and see before rushing to install a fast charger at my house.
They totally ignore developments in hydrogen powered trucks. Don't assume full EV is the future. Electricity isn't free and feds haven't yet replaced the gas tax with a mileage tax. Change your life to accommodate your EV.
Full EV is definitely the future. Exon CEO has already conceded this fact.
You spent over $100 for a hotel room and get a free charge.
But what your accounting is the time you stopped for.
In a gas car if im not tired i can keep going. And that $100 for the room i can soent on gas and a large dinner for my family. And get home earlier then you.
Time is way too valuable to me to waste it for a couple of days or nighys charging.
That is why i use my plaid to daily only.
Do any of these people understand that the majority of people can't afford to by a $90,000 dollar vehicle? Taking out loans for 8 to 10 years for a vehicle is a fools errand.
F150 Lightning starts at $40,000…one of the most affordable vehicles at the moment….yes Platinum is $90k but there are cheaper variants
If you can't afford the top trim then don't get it there are four trim levels but yea cost of all vehicles are getting ridiculous its not just evs even gas or diesel are expensive
@@pjs12464 What's better is that it probably will be cheaper than the gas-powered primary vehicle as well. At worst 2 passengers are lost.
Do any of the complainers know that you don't have to spend 90K on an electric vehicle.
Top level trim of the GAS F150 is also 81k. It’s your choice.
Guy with an EV channel loves EV pickup & uses the phrase "EV's are the future"
This is my shocked face 🙄
None of the commenters will hear all that good info.
First 2 comment 😎
lmfao
The sad part of all this electronic crap is the age of skill and the connection between man and machine is vanishing. Now people who have no skill on tracks and trails are everywhere . Its like training hard in a gym for years pushing your body to its limits putting in the sweat and blood to get stronger and then some kid who knows nothing about training and his body starts juiceing his brains out for 3 months and now he is an expert. Its just not the same its soulless and hollow and the journey is empty. And wait, in a few years the beautiful trails that people who only dare go off roading for decades because they learned a skill and the trucks had limits that it took skill and courage to off road,now so many people who would never go into the trails they will go because there truck can do the trail even if there texting going through the whole trail. The traffic is going to explode and the trails will need traffic lights and road crews to maintain the terrain. Sad synthetic world , I still enjoy running my dogs through the mt trails,or watching bronco clubs bring there horses through my land for a weekend on the mt trails. Theres a lost skill,wonder how the old cowboyboys felt 100 years ago.
30:23 lol EV fanboy
LOL. This guy only kept each one of his electric cars for 50 thousand miles each. Has me sold on buying an electric car. Not.
lmao... just like TFL sells its vehicles after a few thousand miles,... einstein....
@@nc3826 I do not know or care what TFL does. Electric vehicles are a joke and so are you.
Where is Kyle? They can only avoid each other for so long….
Moral of the story. If you don't drive buy an electric.
Lost me at "I bought a bmw".…
Most of the R1S & R1T will never see a dirt road.
EV are ad of now inly good for daily driving. If the range is enough for your daily commute then its perfect.
But for traveling distance and towing the range and infrastructure is not there yet.
That is why i have a Plaid for a daily.
Van for travel.
Truck for towing.
Sport cars for racing.
Motorcycle for riding.
Its avout having the right tool for the job.
Like Roman said its not worst its just different.
You wouldnt use a drill to cut a piece of wood right? You need a saw for that.
So please dont make it seem like EV is the best cause its not.
Honestly i think hybrids that use battery power but when low on range a gas engine starts up and charges the battery for range or can even work as one with the eletric motor in sport modes for spirited driving or if you need the power is best of both worlds.