Great video as always, really love your in depth on these dungeons. Also, have you messed around with the chains around spear boss. They can really speed up the key and prot pally is the perfect tank to do them back to back.
Yeah we've been experimenting with them, definitely something you'd want either the tank or a player with a major defensive to use as they absolutely chunk the wearer but worth the damage gain for sure assuming you don't murder your melee haha.
Do we know why sometimes the second boss just doesn't throw out the spears and just goes into the fixate with no chains? Had it happen in 2 different keys and thankfully it wasn't in anything too terribly (+16 or +17 fort) high so only one person died to the tactical nuke at the end of the fixate, but it still feels completely random.
Yeah there's a couple ways that bug happens, one is if someone combat drops to avoid the bleed (shadowmeld, vanish, invis, etc) and the other is if one of the chain players dies before breaking their chain. Either way definitely pretty annoying when it happens, hopefully it gets fixed soon!
Honestly the hardest part of it is maintaining aggro on the little guys that spawn, would've been a lot easier with a misdirect in the group or with some better party positioning. Outside of that it's just 1 bird for party damage (like the previous pack) and very high tank damage, so if your tank can live it the pull is super high value imo.
16:30 Idk if there's an easier way for this but for Burrning Aegis your BigWigs (at least I think that's the addon at the top of your screen) will say who's getting targeted with the ability and whoever is the first person out of the 3 that are targeted will be the one that gets hit with it first
ilvls as in what we all are in the video? It's a decent spread between like 425 and 435 iirc. Also reminder this is definitely not a route I'd recommend in PUG groups!
I keep having issues with the 2nd boss on this dungeon at the +20 pug level. Someone always dies here. The main problem I see is everyone tends to freak out with the chains and they start all running to break it on the boss. One time we I had all 3 of the chain people cross their chain in front of the boss lol I kid you not. We actually lived it though and only a few seconds short of timing that key rip. Have you heard of any good strats for this? I wish there was a strat that everyone used that simplifies it. My pugs just run like chickens with their heads cut off as soon as they get the chain.
For us we like to have 1 person break instantly, then have the other 2 players cross their chains so we can trigger a 2 stack and end the phase ASAP, usually committing a defensive CD to help with the ticking damage. May be a bit hard to pull off in PUGs, in which case I would just tell 1 person to break quickly and the other people to make their chains long, then as the tank just walk through those other players as you lose DoT stacks.
Dude, reading this comment is a huge relief to me, I’m a warrior tank and I always have the same problem with this boss, people start to freak out running in circles waving their arms so someone always dies here, and of course, if there’s someone to blame that’s the tank. Different groups tell me different things “go through chains asap” “one by one” “two first and then last one” “one first and then two” "don't move and we all walk thorugh the boss at the same time" etc... I remember one particular run that we were doing such a great job, but just for one player that didn’t know the mecs we weren’t able to make it on time, I had broken two chains and was moving to the third one after giving healer some time, when this guy starting MOVING AWAY, TRYING TO ESCAPE FROM ME lol, so it was a “chase the newbie with the chain for all the room” while all the group was getting lots of fire damage, everyone died and in the second try he did the exact same thing, I can't type here all the insults he got xP So, summing up, I honestly don’t know what the best strategy here is, that’s why before even starting the mythic I ask what they want me to do to not be blamed later, lol.
Great route I kept going over count of just the mini boss going to spear boss. Great knowing I can skip the 2nd mini boss to forge boss as well as skip a lot of his trash because that stuff is scary. Still wish there was a better way to deal with the slash from the first 2 mobs in the instance those fuckers hit hard on not the frontal you can side step but the other ability they have. I got hit for like 450k on my first one of the week. The over lap of both at once just murdered me.
Yeah that's one of the scarier tank busters this season for sure, combine that with them being Lieutenant mobs you can't CC and any pull that includes them is super scary.
It is! Likely coming later this week after the next PTR build, just kind of waiting to see what other changes (if any) they choose to put in before I give a full breakdown.
Yeah this was made before the adjustment to chains making them less scary to use, I'll likely be putting out another video in the near future going over the route that takes advantage of them!
They will definitely be worth using (and safer with the recent changes) in higher keys, we were just cruising through the key not too worried about it for this specific run though!
That shit would do like 700k damage or something absurd on a +20 and also has a pretty big friendly fire radius if people aren't on the same page. You pretty much have to bubble it which means it might end up as an MDI strat, but no reasonable group should be touching those things.
Didn't use them in this run but will definitely be using them in higher keys, as Medaax said though they hit really hard so you basically need to commit immunities to them, so cloak/bubble/spellwarding, but they are definitely worth it if no one dies to the hit!
Yeah the chains are going to be very nice especially after the recent change to their friendly fire damage, extremely useful to help delete bigger pulls if you group them up nearby!
Putting out a 20 neltharus guide on fort bolster is such a flex haha, wp.
Hahaha not gonna lie every warden pull I feared for my life
Nice run! Thanks for the guide
No problem!
Great video as always, really love your in depth on these dungeons. Also, have you messed around with the chains around spear boss. They can really speed up the key and prot pally is the perfect tank to do them back to back.
Yeah we've been experimenting with them, definitely something you'd want either the tank or a player with a major defensive to use as they absolutely chunk the wearer but worth the damage gain for sure assuming you don't murder your melee haha.
Yes, I’m our group I do them and our Ret. We can do 4 overall. Really nice to speed up the key.
Do we know why sometimes the second boss just doesn't throw out the spears and just goes into the fixate with no chains? Had it happen in 2 different keys and thankfully it wasn't in anything too terribly (+16 or +17 fort) high so only one person died to the tactical nuke at the end of the fixate, but it still feels completely random.
Yeah there's a couple ways that bug happens, one is if someone combat drops to avoid the bleed (shadowmeld, vanish, invis, etc) and the other is if one of the chain players dies before breaking their chain. Either way definitely pretty annoying when it happens, hopefully it gets fixed soon!
Don't know about that double pull at the end, kinda scary.
Better to kill right one and then chain it up to last pack.
Honestly the hardest part of it is maintaining aggro on the little guys that spawn, would've been a lot easier with a misdirect in the group or with some better party positioning. Outside of that it's just 1 bird for party damage (like the previous pack) and very high tank damage, so if your tank can live it the pull is super high value imo.
Ya I chain both groups as well. But I pop incarn and cleaving every thing is key for me
16:30 Idk if there's an easier way for this but for Burrning Aegis your BigWigs (at least I think that's the addon at the top of your screen) will say who's getting targeted with the ability and whoever is the first person out of the 3 that are targeted will be the one that gets hit with it first
Yup that works too, we usually just use the bosses target but both give the same info!
I would love to see itemlevels mentioned, because I feel like now random pugs will be like "I watched the video and we're good"
ilvls as in what we all are in the video? It's a decent spread between like 425 and 435 iirc. Also reminder this is definitely not a route I'd recommend in PUG groups!
I keep having issues with the 2nd boss on this dungeon at the +20 pug level. Someone always dies here. The main problem I see is everyone tends to freak out with the chains and they start all running to break it on the boss. One time we I had all 3 of the chain people cross their chain in front of the boss lol I kid you not. We actually lived it though and only a few seconds short of timing that key rip. Have you heard of any good strats for this? I wish there was a strat that everyone used that simplifies it. My pugs just run like chickens with their heads cut off as soon as they get the chain.
For us we like to have 1 person break instantly, then have the other 2 players cross their chains so we can trigger a 2 stack and end the phase ASAP, usually committing a defensive CD to help with the ticking damage. May be a bit hard to pull off in PUGs, in which case I would just tell 1 person to break quickly and the other people to make their chains long, then as the tank just walk through those other players as you lose DoT stacks.
Lmao same
Dude, reading this comment is a huge relief to me, I’m a warrior tank and I always have the same problem with this boss, people start to freak out running in circles waving their arms so someone always dies here, and of course, if there’s someone to blame that’s the tank. Different groups tell me different things “go through chains asap” “one by one” “two first and then last one” “one first and then two” "don't move and we all walk thorugh the boss at the same time" etc...
I remember one particular run that we were doing such a great job, but just for one player that didn’t know the mecs we weren’t able to make it on time, I had broken two chains and was moving to the third one after giving healer some time, when this guy starting MOVING AWAY, TRYING TO ESCAPE FROM ME lol, so it was a “chase the newbie with the chain for all the room” while all the group was getting lots of fire damage, everyone died and in the second try he did the exact same thing, I can't type here all the insults he got xP
So, summing up, I honestly don’t know what the best strategy here is, that’s why before even starting the mythic I ask what they want me to do to not be blamed later, lol.
Great route I kept going over count of just the mini boss going to spear boss. Great knowing I can skip the 2nd mini boss to forge boss as well as skip a lot of his trash because that stuff is scary. Still wish there was a better way to deal with the slash from the first 2 mobs in the instance those fuckers hit hard on not the frontal you can side step but the other ability they have. I got hit for like 450k on my first one of the week. The over lap of both at once just murdered me.
Yeah that's one of the scarier tank busters this season for sure, combine that with them being Lieutenant mobs you can't CC and any pull that includes them is super scary.
I would love to see a video about changes to bear in 10.1.5 my friends, is that happening by any chance?
It is! Likely coming later this week after the next PTR build, just kind of waiting to see what other changes (if any) they choose to put in before I give a full breakdown.
no chains? Great guide thanks
Yeah this was made before the adjustment to chains making them less scary to use, I'll likely be putting out another video in the near future going over the route that takes advantage of them!
hey tactyks everyone here 🫡 always love the in depth explanations!!
Of course, always nice to see people enjoying the content
I would recommend killing the patrol before the forge boss. I repeatedly got knocked into the wall pulling the patrol with It.
You can control that by always getting knocked to the wall you came from like I did on the video. Good catch though I should've mentioned that!
Why your not using Burning chain in the guide? Its OP on big packs
They will definitely be worth using (and safer with the recent changes) in higher keys, we were just cruising through the key not too worried about it for this specific run though!
Are you guys not using burning chains or did I miss it?
That shit would do like 700k damage or something absurd on a +20 and also has a pretty big friendly fire radius if people aren't on the same page. You pretty much have to bubble it which means it might end up as an MDI strat, but no reasonable group should be touching those things.
Didn't use them in this run but will definitely be using them in higher keys, as Medaax said though they hit really hard so you basically need to commit immunities to them, so cloak/bubble/spellwarding, but they are definitely worth it if no one dies to the hit!
You didn't say enything about using chains which can stun add for some sec
Yeah the chains are going to be very nice especially after the recent change to their friendly fire damage, extremely useful to help delete bigger pulls if you group them up nearby!
the video quality you are reviewing is smudged and dirty. Is there anyway you can review it at higher resolution
Hmm that's odd, it seems fine on my end not sure what the issue would be.
It is crisp. Dime peolly viewing on 240
@@Tactyks on a 4k monitor with 4090 upscale. Still looks smudged
@@dime4026 your computer can’t display that, that’s the problem.
Last boss is a pain in pug on tyrannical ppl d move and die casting the trinket
Kylo Ren teaches M+.