Harry Potter is not a safe movie for Christians. It promotes witchcraft with is purely evil, there is no such thing as good witches, all magic is evil and the bible is very clear about such practices. I grew up watching harry Potter movies, and I read the book, my friends and i used to play quidditch... we were in so deep than we would practice those spells, we had our own wands and stuff... we need to remember that these movies are mainly for children, children who still don't have a firm grasp on morals and that which is good in the yes of the Lord, they brainwash you, and send dark subliminal messages. If you are not aware, magic exists in the real world, witchcraft is real and its not sunshine and rainbows, and the practitioners are not aligned with God. Ask yourself this question, Which part of the movie brings you closer to Jesus Christ and helps you build a relationship with God? If the answer is not clear then it's not for Christians.
Check out this video Why harry potter is not for Christians Doreen Virture Extremely informative. Below are notes I took from the video a month ago. Let’s talk about doctrines of demons Jk Rowling admits herself that there are real witch spells written in her books. During the time of her divorced on a train between Manchester and London and wasn’t trying to write a children’s book but an adult book and the character Harry Potter just strolled into her consciousness. A lot of parents don’t realize how subtle The power of darkness are. How real they are and how they want their children. Jk admitted herself that she takes dictation; that the words are audibly narrated to her and she writes what she’s hearing. God is always warming us to test the spirits and go to the word. This is obviously coming from demonic spirits. Jk also admits doing sorcery as a child. Satanisim comes in many subtle. Church father Irenaeus said in the second century that satan isn’t gonna come in all his naked deformity. Who would want to follow him. But he comes as an angel of light and offers powers of godhood. Sound the alarm people. God is clear in both the old and New Testament about How he hates sorcery. ”“When you enter the land which the Lord your God gives you, you shall not learn to imitate the detestable things of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who casts a spell, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For whoever does these things is detestable to the Lord; and because of these detestable things the Lord your God will drive them out before you. You shall be blameless before the Lord your God.“ Deuteronomy 18:9-13 My people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge ”The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, so as not to worship demons, and the idols of gold and of silver and of brass and of stone and of wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk; and they did not repent of their murders nor of their sorceries nor of their immorality nor of their thefts.“ Revelation 9:20-21 ”Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap. For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.“ Galatians 6:7-8 Harry Potter is such a sympathetic character he’s painted to be the hero you fall in love with seems to be a story of good vs evil but it’s upside down because the good guy Harry is using evil to combat evil. And people would say wel it’s white magic and God knows my intentions. There is no such thing as white and dark magic. Satanist Anton Lavey the Arthur of the satanic Bible stated there’s no distinction between black magic and white magic it’s all coming from the same source. ”But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ. For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you bear this beautifully. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds.“ 2 Corinthians 11:3-4, 13-15
Notes Let's talk about doctrines of demons Jk Rowling admits herself that there are real witch spells written in her books. During the time of her divorce.She was on a train between Manchester and London and wasn't trying to write a children's book but an adult book and she said she felt the character Harry Potter just strolled into her consciousness. Jk admitted herself that she takes dictation; that the words are audibly narrated to her and she wrote what she's hearing from these voices. God is always warning us to test the spirits and go to the word of God. This is obviously coming from demonic spirits. Jk also admits doing sorcery as a child with her friends and dressing up as a witch. Satanisim comes in many subtle ways. Church father Irenaeus said in the second century that satan isn't gonna come in all his naked deformity. Who would want to follow him. But he comes as an angel of light and offers powers of godhood. Sound the alarm people. God is clear in both the old and New Testament about How he hates sorcery and all things related to it. ""When you enter the land which the Lord your God gives you, you shall not learn to imitate the detestable things of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who casts a spell, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For whoever does these things is detestable to the Lord; and because of these detestable things the Lord your God will drive them out before you. You shall be blameless before the Lord your God." Deuteronomy 18:9-13 My people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge "The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, so as not to worship demons, and the idols of gold and of silver and of brass and of stone and of wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk; and they did not repent of their murders nor of their sorceries nor of their immorality nor of their thefts." Revelation 9:20-21 "Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap. For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life." Galatians 6:7-8 Harry Potter is such a sympathetic character he's painted to be the hero you fall in love with him. It seems to be a story of good vs evil but it's upside down because the good guy Harry is using evil to combat evil. And people would say well it's white magic and God knows my intentions. There is no such thing as white and dark magic. We should be mindful of what we are exposing our children too; being careful as to not desensitize them. A lot of parents don't realize how subtle the power of darkness is. How real they are and how they want their children. Children are being introduced to this white vs dark magic. It’s a heart posture issue; God is concerned with what defiles the heart. There are Testimonies of children having nocturnal poltergeist experience after reading the Harry Potter books. These books influences people and are opening up people to occult powers Wicca. This isn’t fanaticism this is about what Gods word says. This is glorifying sorcery instead of glorifying God. ”“Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.“ Matthew 7:13-14 Satanist Anton Lavey the Arthur of the satanic Bible stated there's no distinction between black magic and white magic it's all coming from the same source. "But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ. For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you bear this beautifully. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds." 2 Corinthians 11:3-4, 13-15 ”Trust in the Lord with all your heart And do not lean on your own understanding.“ Proverbs 3:5
Notes Let's talk about doctrines of demons Jk Rowling admits herself that there are real witch spells written in her books. During the time of her divorce.She was on a train between Manchester and London and wasn't trying to write a children's book but an adult book and she said she felt the character Harry Potter just strolled into her consciousness. Jk admitted herself that she takes dictation; that the words are audibly narrated to her and she wrote what she's hearing from these voices. God is always warning us to test the spirits and go to the word of God. This is obviously coming from demonic spirits. Jk also admits doing sorcery as a child with her friends and dressing up as a witch. Satanisim comes in many subtle ways. Church father Irenaeus said in the second century that satan isn't gonna come in all his naked deformity. Who would want to follow him. But he comes as an angel of light and offers powers of godhood. Sound the alarm people. God is clear in both the old and New Testament about How he hates sorcery and all things related to it.
The biggest theme is self-sacrifice. Harry lives because his mother died for him, and is later told the love that she had is more powerful than magic. Then in turn he himself dies for his friends. Not to mention, there is research that children who have read Harry Potter have more positive attitudes towards disadvantaged groups. I’d say that’s a win.
In 1998, I was hearing from people coming out of witchcraft warning about Harry Potter and stated that it was laced with things they learned. It was not the church lady down the street.
Only people that have dealt with the occult, witchcraft, etc, will be the ones that do not encourage movies and books like this. Everyone else (like this guy) either have never experienced any of it, or just do not take it that serious and probably don't even believe that it is real. That's the problem with most Christians these day. They've never experienced the spiritual side of our world.
@@Sk8EvangelistIts becuase they "learn" everything that is "physical", never being equipped to even grasp spiritual. That is why Christians will equate reading the bible, going to church and so on as the product of a relationship with God, aka work base religion. While lacking the needed deep devotion that God requires, the basic foundation to a relationship. God bless.
Same but I’m always leery about those testimonies. I mean, someone who is coming out of an addiction to alcohol might rail against drinking, but does that suddenly make drinking a sin? Nope. People who truly have come out of witchcraft are probably hypersensitive about it. And then there are those who come out of witchcraft, and they think every single thing in the world is demonic. I mean, I literally had a Christian tell me wearing black was wearing the color of Satan. 😂
The situation you mentioned is anecdotal. It's common for people to claim something is related to a trauma from their past which elicits a severe reaction out of them. It's a similar effect to PTSD. Someone who proclaimed to have been a real witch might have triggers relating to anything they perceive as similar, including story-telling devices that have nothing to do with their trauma. For instance, a war veteran might go into shock over a car door slamming. In more severe cases, like a bear attack, someone might go to the extreme and think all bears are bad. I'd be interested to learn what elements this person mentioned. If there are related elements, it was coincidence. Rowling is quoted to have intentionally laced Christian themes into the books, specifically book 7 in her words.
Former alcoholics strongly advise no one to ever touch alcohol ever, the advice to stay away from Harry Potter is good for those who have a propensity towards witchcraft in the first place. For those who do not have the propensity it is fine to watch things like Harry Potter. Just like someone who is not an alcoholic can have a glass of wine every once in awhile. Romans 14.
As an aspiring storyteller, i could listen to conversations like this all day. I wish there were more conversations about how Christians can not only engage with literature, but create our own to the glory of God. Blessings to everyone!
If you haven't heard of Dirt Poor Robins you should look up their last project Queen of the Night. I think you might like it. They're great Storytellers
Amen. I’m working on fantasy series that will start with a trio of novellas that will launch three trilogies where one of the religions worships a triune god that goes by different titles than the Trinity, but They’re the same. Maybe it’s too direct, but I’m hoping to have some killer (sometimes literally) back and forth between skeptics and believers of different faiths. I hope I can bring honest arguments into it without it feeling that I’m preaching to the audience.
As a kid, I was not allowed to read or watch HP because my mom had been told that the spells used were real spells. About 7-8 years ago, I moved in with my aunt who was a huge HP fan and I worked at hotel. I was solid in my faith and had been a Christian for about 15 years at this point, so I felt comfortable to take a critical look at it. I found the spells were based on Latin (which didn’t exist in the earliest verses against witchcraft). I also found the magic to be based fully in fantasy, the potions all require some mythically-based ingredients and the closest you get to real world witchcraft/occult stuff, it’s treated like a farce and not something worth your time. I couldn’t see how it was any different than CS Lewis or JRR Tolkien. I understand and respect if parents aren’t ok with their kids reading it and I’m not mad my mom didn’t let me. Now, though, my kids and I are definitely fans and definitely Christian and definitely not into occult things. The messages found there are great.
Are you sure the magic is fantasy based? At the end of the fourth book, there is literally a blood sacrifice ritual used to revive Voldemort and that's not very different from rituals that people perform in the Occult world.
So is your argument that the bad people in HP do bad types of magic so therefore you can't read HP? Because there's no way to have villains that don't do bad things.
Ah yes. A classic case of 'whatever you do, do unto the Lord'. No matter if you think the movies have good moral lessons and foreshadow the resurrection of our Lord Jesus, OR if you want to stay far away because 'God will not be pleased', no matter. Do unto the Lord. Follow what the Spirit says to you, don't offend your conscious, and leave other believers alone in their convictions. Have a blessed day!
I think it would be a good idea to explore the idea of 'moral panic'. The Harry Potter books and movies caused a moral panic amongst Christian parents back in the early 2000s precisely because of the reasons you both are stating here. I personally think it's good to tell your children to be mindful of what they're consuming and to encourage alternatives. However, if they're aware that it's fiction and not something they're to ever try to emulate, reading the series likely won't turn a Christian child into an occultist, witch, or wizard lol
A lot of the moral panic stems from the fact that the American publishers changed the title of the book from Harry Potter and the philosopher's stone (an actual piece of British mythical history) to Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone (absolute nonsense). They did this under the impression it would help with sales. Ironically, all of the moral panic and pearl clutching really did help out.
22 The faith that you have, keep between yourself and God.Blessed is the one who has no reason to pass judgment on himself for what he approves. Romans 14:22
One thing about growing up in the West is it is hard to get away from Christianity. When it comes to Harry Potter, I recommend reading the books over watching the movies, as the movies cut a lot of the Christianity out. There is so much in the story, but I'll list a few examples: In the first book, when Harry goes to Ollivander’s Wand Shop, he tries a few wands before finding one that works well for him. Ollivander notes that it is interesting that Harry should get that one (a wand made of holly with a phoenix feather constituting its core), considering that the particular phoenix that gave the feather only ever gave one other feather that was used as a core in Voldemort’s wand (made of yew). This is significant because the phoenix is used as a symbol for Christ on account of the dying and resurrecting nature. This is foreshadowing the resurrection of Voldemort as well as the death and resurrection of Harry. However, Harry will resurrect and overcome death, hence the holly; likewise, when Voldemort resurrects, he will poison everyone around him, hence the yew. In the last book, around Christmas time, Harry and Hermione find his parents' (as well as Dumbledore’s sister) graves behind a church in Godric's Hollow with Bible verses written on them. Being raised by the Dursleys I imagine this is Harry's first experience with Christianity, though it plays into his sacrifice at the end. Closer to the time of Epiphany, Harry and Hermione find themseves wandering aimlessly until Snape’s Patronus (Expecto Patronus = a plea from the heart for the aid of a patron) a doe finds him and leads him to a frozen lake. This is an allusion to the story of Saint Eustace, who was led to Christ by a deer one day while he was out hunting. Contrary to popular belief, Harry does not at first see the sword of Griffindor under the ice, but the Ruby-encrusted hilt (It's a cross). Harry cannot use magic to bring it to himself, so he blast a hole in the ice and dives down to grab it. This is a baptism. And then you have Harry Potter willingly giving himself over to death at the hands of Voldemort, thus robbing Voldemort of his power over those allied to Harry. His last meeting with Dumbledore in King's Cross station (aptly named). His resurrection and final face-off with Voldemort. Voldemort refuses Harry's offer to repent of what he has done and then Voldemort’s death. There is so much more I could go into with the story, but it is a pretty big mouthful for a comment no one is likely to see much less read. God bless you all.
I think you’re conveniently forgetting JK Rowling’s background in witchcraft & Gnosticism which shows up syncretically in those books. The magic spells, animals & even mythological creatures there are not of God. Harry Potter encourages learning about potions, spells & divination which are not of God.
@@SY-Rhyana Christians appropriate (dare I say baptize) and use mythological elements in their storytelling all the time. Dante, Lewis, and Tolkien all did it. I don't agree with JK Rowling on very much personally, politically, or professionally. However, God has worked though her to create a piece of work that is far from perfect, but ulitimately succeeds in transcending Rowling herself.
And in regards to all of this weird occult nonsense, it's worth pointing out that the only real world analog to anything along those lines would be the divinations class taught by Sybill Trelawney. She's mocked relentlessly as a hack by everyone. Read between the lines.
@@07acanoia I don't quite get what you're getting at? But my sister and I did convince our mother that “Meet The Spartans” was an educational documentary. she took us to go see it so our plan worked, but it all fell apart at the last minute when she thought she'd buy a ticket for herself and watch it with us. We were so close to getting away with it. lol
@@Bornagain7202It’s also about witchcraft, spells, potions & divination which are not of God. You conveniently forget about JK Rowling’s background in Gnosticism & witchcraft
@@Bornagain7202 It's not about whether it has changed your belief in Jesus. It's about whether it got you comfortable with witchcraft. Even Christian witches perform spells and profess to believe in Jesus.
I think disagreement on this matter is fair. But let’s not pretend like your personal experience with Harry Potter or fantasy is enough grounds for establishing doctrine other believers should follow. We should each measure what we have experienced in accordance to our convictions and the word.
Not every Christian is convicted the same way. If YOU are convicted not to watch something then don’t do it. That would be sin. And it’s perfectly fine to talk to other Christians about your convictions and why you feel convicted a certain way. But don’t assume that every Christian needs to be convicted in the same way. Also, a lot of Christians won’t let their kids read good literature. Their own parental skills must be lacking if they think their kid is going to follow every incorrect view they read about in a book. How about actually reading different books with your children, and discussing them afterward? Most parents don’t want to take the time to actually be parents.
As someone who has read the entire harry potter series twice before I got saved I can tell you, as much as this guy wants to tell you it isn't demonic, I would say 2 things, first for the movie fans, after starring in harry potter the live action actors went on to star in a number of obviously demonic movies (Go check for yourself) which as a christian judging by the fruit I'd question if this is the fruit it's producing should I watch it? As for the books when people say "the spells are just latin" it is true however real spells don't depend on the language they're in but the meaning behind the words and coming into agreement with demonic powers.
Plenty of Disney channel actors went on to do unhinged things too. It doesn't mean those shows were bad. People make their own choices in life and a lot of movies they star in are at their agent's mercy.
My siblings and I grew up reading Harry Potter. We all dabbled in actual witchcraft to varying degrees, with my sister now a devout Wiccan. Around the age of 10, my brother had a wiccan book and told me it's the real side of Harry Potter. If it weren't for Jesus, I would've wanted to keep pursuing this path. Yes, HP is a very well created story that addresses things like death, coming off age, weilding power, etc. But it's not from a godly perspective. I wouldn't say no Christians should ever read it, but read it cautiously, and I wouldn't hand it to a child who can't reason between Christian and wordly virtues. Lastly, learning witchcraft is absolutely the driving force in HP. In other stories like LOTR and Narnia, there is magic, but it's behind the scenes and not the main point. Just my 2 cents.
“Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled”. God literally called me out of darkness into his light. This is the spiritual darkness. What is Idolatry to God according to his word?
You can convince yourself that anything is permissible based on this kind of rationale. The questions we should ask is this; Is there witchcraft in Harry Potter? Yes. Should Christians watch witchcraft? No. Should Christians watch Harry Potter? No. See that simplifies things
@@itspikachutime5624I would have to disagree with your statement. The Bible is showing the sins of Saul in a negative light and warns us against such things. Watching Harry Potter for your enjoyment is completely different because it’s painting something evil/demonic in a positive light, which is as anti biblical as it gets.
@@itspikachutime5624I would love to hear your thoughts whether you think there is anything that is wrong for a Christian to watch? Is porn ok since it highlights the beauty of the intimacy between a man and a woman? Are horror movies ok to watch since they highlight the fact that life is short and that we will all die one day? Is there anything wrong for us at all?
You can also convince yourself that anything is NOT permissible based on your rationale. The questions we should ask are these: Is there REAL WORLD witchcraft in Harry Potter? No. Is there fantasy witchcraft that has nothing to do with real world witchcraft? Yes. Should Christians watch witchcraft? No. Should Christians watch Harry Potter? That is up to them to decide, but there is nothing in the Bible suggesting make-believe fantasy worlds unrelated to actual Satanic practices are prohibited from being used to convey good teachings and messages.
@@SkywalkerOne1977I’m curious if you think anything can be considered wrong because it’s not “real world”? After all, it’s just actors right? Why would any horror movie be wrong because it’s not real, it’s just acting after all
Problem with stuff like Harry Potter is that it desensitizes you toward existence of magic (occult, warlock, witches, etc.), people think it´s only fiction. OR, it makes you think there is black and white magic and that white magic is the good one magic - when it´s only something like "good cop, bad cop" thing from Satan and demons - trap. I liked HP movies quite much, but not watching it anymore.
Harry Potter is fine. It's more closer to fairy tale magic, which is heavily laden with christian sub-text. It's actually pretty blatantly obvious. "True" magic is not like what it is in Harry Potter. Just to give you a idea, saying a prayer is more or less the same thing as "casting a spell". True occult practitioners call upon spirits/gods/principalities to enact their whims and desires in the world. To give them more power. As Christians, it's "not my will, but yours (God)". which is the main differentiator.
The themes that were mentioned that you find in the Harry Potter story, like sacrificing yourself for your loved ones, are themes that I think the general public who read Harry Potter don't really primarily notice or primarily remember at the end of the day, but in my opinion it is the magic and the magic battles that will attract people's attention. At the end of a film/book like this, I think that very few people think about how self-sacrificing someone has behaved, but rather the spells that are recited, the fight with different spells, the mystical. People are more likely to think, "oh wow, I would like to experience that too" and visit theme parks, buy merchandise, play computer games to imitate that. Some people may go so far as to get tarot cards, go to a fortune teller or implement other occult practices because the Harry Potter story has already desensitized them to this. When you hear from Christians that magic and the occult are dangerous and not pleasing to God, you quickly react sensitively, defend Harry Potter and co. and do not recognize the deeper danger behind it. It's not about demonizing everything in everyday life, but especially with such a huge thing like Harry Potter, which has such an impact on so many people worldwide, Christians should be able to examine from Heavenly Father's perspective whether Whether such a thing is pleasing to God or not, it is commendable to read it, and even to confess to reading such books or rather not, because a Christian has a role model function for his fellow human beings. When it comes to the sacrificial part of Harry Potter: Many books or films or songs have certain themes that a Christian generally approves of (fighting injustice, helping the oppressed, etc.) - but at the end of the day you have to examine the big picture from a biblical point of view.
The fundamentalist reading of the text is considered to be the first level of Biblical understanding. We are meant to build on top of that, yet so many stay at that level
I never let my children believe in Santa Claus as I did not want them thinking Jesus isn't real as Santa is not "real". No Easter Bunny either. Fought hard against Halloween but I give out Christian tracts along with good candy and my pumpkins are carved with a cross, or fish or some symbol denoting Jesus.
Twice, when i was reading the books, i felt a heavy, scary presence. Kind of like i was gonna pass out. It was in book four when they're doing a ritual/sacrifice to revive Voldermort, and in the sixth book where they learnt hat Voldermort is pretty much immortal because he killed certain people and hid his soul in artifacts. But, i was the BIGGEST fan. I made every excuse and would roll my eyes when people would talk against the books. But there was something way in the back of my conscience, and I knew that it was not God glorifying. Even though I felt those things, unfortunately i held on to my Harry Potter books for years, and threw them out just last year. Not playing with that type of stuff. Desensitization is real. Christians in the West are desensitized to demonic stuff because of horrors movies and just wanting to be entertained. You go to other countries with real witchcraft, you might think differently.
I agree. Growing up i definitely watched HP, and I would have recently love to do a marathon. I thought it was okay to watch. But recently I’m reading a book where a person mentioned that God told them that people “don’t even realize they offend him nowadays.” Since a lot of things have been normalized. I’ve realized this is true. From kid shows to kid movies to Rated R movies we see violence, witchcraft, magic, astrology, mediums, alcoholism, cheating, murdering etc. video games too. It’s all become normal. Even artist concerts. It’s “art” or themed. I used to think this but now I see it’s not a coincidence. A seed is planted and we get accustomed to it which makes us offend God. Accepting things of the enemy as “normal” or “harmless” but is very much harmful to our spirit
@@Deanna974 Wow. I completely agree with you. Those two specific parts - end of GOF where Wormtail literally performs a blood sacrifice ritual to revive Voldemort and the sixth where we're introduced to the idea of horcruxes, were undoubtedly the darkest parts of the series for me (in fact some of the darkest things I've ever read in any literature). I did ignore this for years because I grew up with the books and I loved it so much, especially the creative aspects of the books, some of the interesting characters and the idea that good always triumphs over evil. But I know and have known for a while that the books are too dark to not be demonic and I've been on the fence about whether I should get rid of them or not. But reading your comment makes me want to go through with it. What is the worst that can happen if one keeps them in their home?
@@vinishap222 wow, that's crazy that it was the same two parts in the book that we both noticed. I never thought I'd be that person who would say all that I said about something that was "just a kid book," (defintely NOT for kids) but I can't deny it now. I can't pretend. I'm definitely not a "there's demons in everything," person, but this is just blatant and i ignored the leading of the spirit for far too long.
@@Deanna974 That's probably because they are the darkest parts of the books. It's not that much of a coincidence to notice that actually. In the first three books, they're still very much children and are just playing with magic and exploring the fun aspects of studying in a school of magic. But the fourth book really packs the punch when a main character actually dies in the end and Voldemort is given life again through a very dark and creepy ritual. And let's not even get into the sixth and seventh books. Weirdly, whenever I re-read the books, I always stopped at the Order of the Phoenix, because it just got too dark after that and it wasn't even fun to re-read the last two books. And believe me, I too was one of those people who would be willing to die on the hill of - Harry Potter is not a satanic book. I remember when I was growing up and also reading them, the then Pope called them satanic. And me being a Catholic refused to even take that seriously and fought everybody around me 😅. As an adult who has lived life some more, I see things very differently now. Anyhow yeah, I've been told that even keeping them in your home can open the doors to demons (even if you're not actively reading them) and I'm wondering if this is true and if I should give up the books which I once considered one of my most prized possessions.
The key to understanding whether magic inclusion in a story is good or bad is understanding the source of the power in the lore and characters. Do the draw it from the creator? Lesser beings with self interest? Or, like in Harry Potter, it is a power intrinsic to a person that may be used to the moral end of the individual? In Harry Potter, magic is a skill or talent that some are born with and they must make moral choices with that ability. Once understood like this, it make sense
Great observation. But the magic in Harry Potter might just come from God. They could be harmonizing themselves with the eternal logos through which all things are made. And the “dark arts” are trying to do magic on your own. God bless.
Just a point on Job. Everything he had was doubled except his kids. He had the same amount that was lost. The simple take away from that is there are some things in life that just can’t be replaced.
Sorry guys, but I have to strongly disagree with Harry Potter being okay to read as a Christian. Before I became a Christian in the early 2000’s, I read and loved the Harry Potter series. I also developed sleep paralysis at the same time in my life. I didn’t really connect the two at the time but I know that it was reading these books that did it. I suffered from sleep paralysis for years until I became a Christian. By calling on the name of Jesus, I was set free. Jesus’ name is the name above all names. Thank YOU Jesus! Harry Potter is witchcraft pure and simple. Keep away from it. Don’t listen to me or this guy who thinks that it is okay to read it, seek the LORD earnestly and He will lead you in the right direction. “Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding, in all your ways acknowledge Him and He will direct your paths.” Proverbs 4:5-6.
So watching porn is okay because you are not physically doing the act? What we read and watch greatly influences us as believers. We are in a spiritual war. If you think that it is harmless fun then cool. That’s between you and the Lord. At least seek His will in prayer is all I am saying.
@nickp3672 you and I both know that doesn't make sense dude, it would only be bad if your lusting over the video, people don't watch harry potter to lust over and you kmow it. If you wana prove a point thats not the way to do it.
I have disagree. Harry Potter does not even hid it, the books and movies are filled with witches and dark spells. Would you let a kid read a satanic book? The fact that the guest said, “If you don’t let your kids read Harry Pottor, your not letting they read good literature.” WHAT???? Good literature does not mean you should read it. I think we can look at Philippians, ”Finally brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable - if there is any moral excellence and if there is anything praiseworthy - dwell on these things.“ Philippians 4:8 CSB Dwell on these things! Ultimately truth is more important than “good literature” or “bad literature.”
Dude you’ve got fundamentalist brain. After reading Harry Potter is someone really going to be dwelling on the witchcraft in the film??? And JK Rowling just uses the name whichcraft because that is the word people know. The magic in Harry Potter is nothing like the magic forbidden in the Bible. For example, one spell is cast to ward off dementors (which are basically demons that suck out your souls) literally by thinking happy thoughts. The magic forbidden in the Bible is invocational magic (asking demons to help you). The magic in Harry potter is incantational magic. It can be seen as harmonizing your self with the logos. The magic in Harry Potter is a literary device JK uses to externalize inner emotions. Harry Potter is true, honorable and lovely and all the other things mentioned in that verse and what I dwell on after reading it is not the “whichcraft” but loves ability to conquer death. God bless
Rowlings whole point in these books is to literally get us to focus on things that are true, good, Noble, lovely, commendable, just and pure and they end with an extremely clear and in your face Christ dying for our sins, defeating the evil one and ressurection. The books are more clearly christian, the movies left alot out and got pretty dark.
Real sorcery is much, much different than anything you will find in Harry Potter. We’re talking sex rituals and human sacrifices. You’re trying to compare real demonic practices to a children’s book…a work of fiction with made up characters and made up concepts. You know what “dark magic” is in the Harry Potter books? Something completely fictitious that has absolutely no roots in the real world. You might as well ban Disney movies and Superman while you’re at it.
Harry Potter is fine. As long as the reader/watcher can discern the difference between reality and make believe, why not? Also, there's a piece of advice that I heard on a TH-cam channel where a counselor makes their children sit and meditate after a movie or TV show IOT bring their minds and emotions back to this reality - to have them accept that they're in this world. And I just thought that was brilliant.
Shalom man of God and many blessings to you and to your beautiful wife and families (personal/ministries). I do understand where you both are coming from in this dialogue. And yes, things like "lord of the rings" and "harry potter" do carry lessons about the challenges that come with life, such things like death, which was mentioned in this dialogue. But we have to also take into consideration how these things are approached and how they are introduced into our personal lives. For instance, Greek mythology is mentioned in this dialogue. A person cannot approach this particular subject from a place of human reasoning. Because that particular level of understanding does not carry the depth needed when understanding things that try to mimic and imitate The Most High's image and His life. We are responsible for understanding life from the realm of the Spirit, especially when dealing with things that cater to the fallen nature of man. Greek mythology caters to the fallen nature of man. This is why it is important to understand the enemy satan and how he operates. The enemy has used the Greek culture to promote "self worship." And Greek mythology falls into that realm. In the Greek culture human intelligence is exalted, especially through philosophical studies. The enemy satan is after the mind of man. This is why he tries to entice humankind into embracing human intelligence and human wisdom over the wisdom and intelligence of The Most High God. The enemy is very cunning in his tactics. And he will use things like Greek mythology and things like "lord of the rings" and "harry potter" to ensnare the mind of man." If a person is not equipped spiritually and tries to engage in the things you both are discussing in this dialogue they can end up exposing themselves and their loved ones to real encounters with demonic activity and real demonic bondage. The "lord of the rings" and "harry potter" may have some interesting ways when approaching "life lessons", but there are real doors connected to these works and behind those doors are real demon spirits and real demonic activity. It is unwise for born again believers to engage in things that host darkness. And even when approaching these things from a position of examination, study, and observation, the believer has to be equipped and developed through real processes with regeneration when being a genuine "watchman" for The Kingdom of God and for The Most High's people. We have to protect our inner man and our personal space as well as those around us and who are close to us. We cannot take things like this lightly. Greek mythology and movies like the ones mentioned in this dialogue are not innocent. Greek mythology hosts real demon spirits. Every god in this mythology is backed by a real demon. And each demon has a real focus which is to obtain possession of the mind of man. And when that is accomplished then the soul is obtained. The enemy mimics everything The Most High does. And we cannot shut our eyes to that truth. God Bless you both and Shalom unto you and to your beautiful wives and families.
Deathly Hallows was the greatest recreation of a passion play and Harry Potter is the greatest Christ figure in literature without being divine himself. Fight me, Fundies.
JK Rowling also in a way becomes a messiah figure too when her fans try to crucify her as well. Just like following Christ, the servant is not greater than the master.
@@NomosCharis even the movie version was quite blatant. That was my dad's impression when we saw it. Too bad they didn't have Harry point out to Voldemort how his Avada Kedavra curses no longer worked. Still, at least Lily's sacrifice already solidified the love conquering death theme.
@@chowyee5049 Harry’s sacrifice cancelling Voldemort’s power over his friends was the golden thread that connected Lily’s sacrifice for Harry in book 1 to the end of the series. Without that, the movie basically ripped the story’s heart out, and replaced it with empty special effects action.
Well from my understanding they actually used words from witchcraft, actual sayings of calling of demons in Harry Potter books, I don't think it'll be good for a kid to read those books, at least as a kid without the Holy Spirit.
Harry Potter shows demonic things, but saying it's demonic is crazy. Imagine if we make a live action of when Saul went to the witch to bring back Samuel.... would anyone think it's a demonic movie? Of course.
The chief problem is the desensitization. It’s the trivial nature and apathy that is causes. Creating sympathy in the mind regarding themes of magic. In real life, in all instances magic is demonic and rooted in foreign spiritual powers that aren’t of God. As a person who loves fiction I understand the value of story telling and imagination, it’s a wrestle I have as an artist. But because I’ve seen real life repercussions of witchcraft (demonization) it becomes difficult to return to a neutral position on even fictional fantasy depictions. I get it. I still enjoy a lot of fiction, by Gods permission, but some I feel conviction to stay away from because God has taught me a lot about the subject matter. Once God shows you, you’re held responsible for your knowledge.
Nah man you gotta get rid of your fundamentalist brain 😂😂. What spell in Harry Potter is real? Let’s hear it. Buddy is literally just barring false witnesses.
There is a really great book that offers well-studied insight into this topic exactly that anyone having this conversation should read. It is “Hollywood Heroes: How Your Favorite Movies Reveal God” by apologists Frank Turek and his son Zack Turek. I’m not saying you should believe either way specifically because of it, but it is an excellently written book with great studied, Biblical insight into this. Study, meditate, think. Don’t just choose to believe because of how you feel. Yes, follow the Spirit as you perceive, but as Paul preaches we should not judge others because they may not be convicted by the Spirit for reading it. As far as reading Greek mythology, start studying the late, great Michael Heiser and true Biblical study of Genesis 6, Job, etc. and you will start understanding what Greek mythology is truly about and where it came from. Keep up the great conversations - with humility and love. God bless.
Been watching and rading Harry Potter for 20 years, and not once have I sat that and decided to do witchcraft or worship the devil. The whole narrative of ignorant people saying, "well it has magic and witches and wizards and blah blah blah..." is the dumbest thing in the world. If that's your argument, then dont pick up The Chronicles of Narnia or The Lord of the Rings or Percy Jackson.
I was never allowed to watch the Harry Potter movies growing up because they contained “witchcraft”. I finally watched the first couple movies now in my early 20s and was expecting dark evil wizardry but was surprised with a fun light hearted children’s movie. Stop scaring people into thinking that anything containing magic or sorcery must be avoided at all costs because they invite “demons” into your life, it’s pure nonsense.
The books are a lot better and are actually dripping with Christian imagery and themes. People are just freaking out because they haven't read them or don't know the bible/christianity well-enough to understand what's going on.
@@gordonmitchell8394 I think it’s more of christians adopting this “stay away from anything containing magic or sorcery” attitude as apposed to them being weary about a book they haven’t read. I see it the most with the fundamentalist/evangelical type christians like my dad. They’re actually scared of consuming any form of entertainment that contains anything that could be labeled “witchcraft”. I would like to read the books myself as with most movies based on books I hear the books are better.
@@ThePennySavers The chosen displays a true story of Christ in action showing true biblical stories and shows the true nature of Christ and his life leading up to his death. The reason why it leads people to Christ is because it literally shows the Bible in a way that is more understanding and leads people to read the Bible which most likely leads them to Jesus. Harry Potter is work of fiction and yes it shows sin sometimes but in the plot people know it’s fake. It doesn’t straight up give reasons to follow satan like how the chosen gives out straight out reasons to follow Jesus showing he is merciful and loving. Harry Potter is really a work of fiction displayed in a different world were “magic” exists. It really isn’t that deep. If you feel conviction don’t watch it because it’s the holy spirt telling you this isn’t good FOR YOU and YOU can’t handle it. If someone is not convicted then IT DOES NOT damage THERE relationship with Christ. This is how I see it. God bless you. Be open to you own opinion and please don’t take this argument in a negative way I truly wish you the best !!
It's funny how these channels start out as apologetics and eventually turn into ridiculous conspiracy theory and fear mongering nonsense. Imagine thinking children's books are demonic. 😂 What a sad way to live your life.
Why in the world would we as Christian want to enjoy reading things that have to do with magic, wizards, witchcraft etc.? The things God specifically tells us that he does not like. Why are we even arguing for this stuff?
Exactly. Christians should read the book of Deuteronomy lol. I read Harry Potter as a kid too and loved it. The Lord convicted me real quick after having a not so fun spiritual encounter in my adulthood. Just because we don’t feel these spiritual doors being opened doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened. The devil will use that door when it’s convenient. When it comes to witchcraft and the occult even in entertainment…I’ll pass thank you. Live and learn.✌️✌️✌️
Ok then don’t read LOTR, Chronicles of Narnia, any Disney movie, marvel movie. While you’re at it don’t even read the Bible because that has which-craft in it. God never said not to read about whichcraft lol
@@K.P.LEE4the Bible condemns magic dude…its wrong in all those things you mentioned as well if it’s seen as good. Heck even a class in Harry Potter is called “divination.” Go look in the Bible where it mentions divination lol. When magic is called good it’s wrong…there is no such thing as good magic
Bingo. I saw a BBC documentary on Harry Potter where they made a exhibit on the magic history of Harry Potter where they pulled artifacts and such from history like wands and real things that “magicians” used. The exhibit had kids attending since it’s Harry Potter. One of the interactive exhibits was tarot cards themed after Harry Potter….and yes kids were participating. Emma watson (the actress who played hermoine) is into that stuff…wonder why? The main problem with Harry Potter is it calls evil good…there is no such thing as good magic.
I think it’s fine to read Harry Potter. I always saw Harry as a Christ like figure in the fight of good vs evil. Is that a replacement for Jesus, no. But an enjoyable story
As someone that used to dabble in the occult I think Harry Potter is ok but it can be a steeping stone for kids or those with no faith or weak faith into the occult. And we as Christians if we like it or other fantasy books/movies we should be careful not to get too obsessed or turn it into an idol.
Some of this stuff that I’m mentioning is the same with the argument with Harry Potter and some of it will deal with me also talking about the satanic panic because it’s actually relevant to these topics The argument on Harry Potter is the same argument on horror movies. Harry Potter is based on the imagination of jk Rowling. If a Christian chooses to stay away from watching Harry Potter and even horror movies then it should be respected because that is there convictions but also I would like add is that I think we need to stop saying that “horror movies opens up doors to demons” and that’s because it can lead to legalism because it depends on your convictions and that it’s not a true statement at all.
If you have a kid that is into Harry Potter and you allow kids to continue to read and watch Harry Potter or even if you are a Christian parent then that’s fine and some parents may not allow their kids to watch Harry Potter and horror movies then that’s fine because kids should also respect and honor their parents. I think it’s sad like very sad to see Christian’s attacking each other over horror genre and Harry Potter. I personally it’s a Roman’s 14 issue. Christian’s should respect each others convictions. I personally grew up liking Harry Potter and I do own all of the movies on dvd and part 2 of deathly hallows part 2 on digital (not sure if I still own it on dvd) and I grew up watching horror movies and I still like the horror genre to this day and my favorite is religious horror movies. Now this is also the same argument over secular music because it’s also a controversial topic. It is something that has divided Christians for a long time. Dungeons and dragons are also controversial due to the satanic panic because both secular music and dungeons and dragons were around during the satanic panic. The satanic panic happened in the 80s and early to late 90s and the after effects of it are still around today. Back then there were some Christian’s that were against dungeons and dragons, horror movies, rock n roll music, etc. . Today, some Christian’s are against Disney, horror movies, dungeons and dragons, Harry Potter, etc.
A lot of people try to hide literature from there kids , its not a good idea and a lot of times because parents dont want to answer questions example why is the bible real and harry potter isnt , im just saying you shouldnt hide things from your kids cause than they will be even more attracted to it , but thats just my experience
I used to watch it and literally asked God like hey if I’m not supposed to watch it lemme know but it’s “ just a movie” u know. I went to bed that night and I certainly got my answer through a straight up attack dream. Plus it’s witch craft full of crap. Let’s not sugarcoat it just cuz it seems “innocent or you like it” tough crap. Cut it out people. Follow or don’t follow Jesus. It’s time to make up ur mind and how deep you want ur relationship to be with him. If you want closer but keep watching this kinda stuff including other like movies, books, games ect.. then don’t be surprised when u don’t get closer. However, ask God for yourself.
Amen. Twice, when i was reading the books, i felt a heavy, scary presence. It was in book four when they're doing a ritual/sacrifice to revive Voldermort, and in the sixth book where they learnt hat Voldermort is pretty much immortal because he killed certain people and hid his soul in artifacts. Unfortunately i held on to my Harry Potter books for years, and threw them out just last year. Not playing with that type of stuff.
This video made me unsubscribe 😂 so many extremes and judgment in this channel. The whole opposite of what I expected. Harry Potter got me out of my darkest times. It's about perception and intention.
No, that it's exaggeration is not a sensible conclusion by what you said. It is something that could be considered as potentially the case, but is not a sensible conclusion in of itself. (re: Job and his multiplication)
The Problem with Harry Potter is that it is a movie that realizes on sorcery, witchcraft, magic ect ect for entertainment or pleasure, even to the point it basically tries to make the hero to fight fire with fire. Harry potter is a movie that does not consider sorcery, witchcraft, magic ect ect as something that is evil or wrong and that’s exactly why they decide to make movies with this topic for entertainment/ pleasure. Take for instance the movie from Jackie Chan called the drunken master which is about a man who while getting drunk is good in fighting and obviously the movie does not portray or consider drunkenness to be evil or a sin or wrong and that is something that cleary the Bible prohibits and considers a sin. Obviously this movie is fiction but it’s also clear that God does not approve of Christians to take pleasure or entertainment in these types of movies.
I think HP was the greatest missed evangelistic opportunity of the church. It's full of messiah imagery. No different than Narnia or Lord of the Rings. There's even Bible quotes out of 1 Corinthians 15:26 and Matthew 6:21
@@Arvak777But it’s also full of witchcraft. People conveniently forget JK Rowling’s background in Gnosticism & witchcraft. Notice how God does not exist in any of her books.
I have heard that jk rowling is into the occult. If that is true, then there is a difference between like a Harry Potter and shrek. Shrek has magic, but it's more fairy tail magic, whereas Harry Potter has inspirations from the real occult.
ohh yes. watch chris pintos work he exposes all the symbolism of the occult from Christian perspective i have his vids in my bio/channel description in the order they came out basically. the sorcere stone, phoenix symbolism, even actual spells know in occult circles word for word... all things that are seen even on our money today showing the wlite are occultists and in power for thousands of years striving for the same goal. what bacon called the new order of the ages, new world order, fourth reich/fourth industrial revolution. hitler got the swastika from jesuits but its an ancient symbol
As an ex occult student and practitioner I can safely say Harry Potter is about as innocent as it comes... I think most people have a completely wrong understanding of the occult world. Their are however some movies from the horror genre I would tell people to stay away from if the can because they use real world spells and curses.... but Harry Potter doesn't fall into this category. If you give power to something then it has power though... in other words if you give your power to Harry Potter and believe it's more than just a story then don't watch or read it... if you just see it as a story then that is all it is.
Fantasy that cannot be replicated is fantasy. If it can be replicated, it's not fantasy. Witch craft is real and anyone can do it. End of discussion it is wrong.
Lean not on your own understanding if you have to use your brain this much to figure out whether something is good or bad then you should probably rely on your Holy Spirit and if you don’t have that, then you have a even bigger problem than reading or watching magic in books or movies
I’m pretty sure jk said that she basically stole the story from the Bible. Also I think this is something that is different for different people, for me it’s fine and doesn’t take me away from God in any way it might even bring me closer to him in some ways, but if you feel like it is taking you away from God or it might don’t read it and stay away from it
We'll leave the whole "demonic" or not thing to the side for a second, I really couldn't care regardless, I don't even own a tv lol. But it is true that the storyline of Harry Potter does actually follow/ and depict the same storyline as the Bible. Which is a pretty good theme to start with in my opinion maybe leave out some of it,but then again Moses and Aaron battles it out with magicians in the desert so why not lol
@PhillipMHarden I see more folks in the comments doing their best to justify it rather than bring it to God in prayer and show a willingness to give it up if it doesn't honour Him. I've always been a fan of mob movies and GTA to the point that it's been my identity for years but not gonna lie, it's still a struggle to give up unholy media completely.
@@harajukuposer yeah that’s sad. I came to a point where I was willing to give up anything that love if it is Gods desire or if it will bring me closer to God. I burned a lot of movies and records that I absolutely loved and have loved since I was a kid, but I knew that it has spirits attached to them that were not welcome in my home. Today, people want to say they love God with words but not with their lifestyle. They use “Christian liberties” as justification for the movies and music they consume ignoring the fact that everything has consequences. But until people reach that level of spiritual maturity, people like us are just ultra-religious, superstitious, or whatever word they want to refer to a lifestyle that they don’t understand. Let’s just pray for them, don’t argue with any of them.
So, the person who hasn’t read or watched any part of it is making an absolute statement about it? You’re like the dude that’s never tried pizza and says it’s gross.
It's about good overcoming evil, the magic is just a motif to tell the story and make it interesting ! I grew up with Harry Potter and still love it to this day and still fully believe and have faith in Our lord and savior
I've witnessed that it opens curiosity for a very real world of the occult especially for kids/early teens. The problem is that most of these comments are dismissive of the negative impacts as long as they are entertained. It's posssible that this is a "permissable, but not beneficial" scenario. Just because there are stories about death does not make it automatically ok and a gospel parallel.
Wrong. The modern definition of magic just means supernatural. So is it an abomination to God when a saint levitates? Or when a saint heals someone ect
@@K.P.LEE4 God doesn’t work magic, He is a supernatural God, works miracles and everything He does is holy. There’s a fine line between miracles and magic. Satan gives people the knowledge of magic because he tries to imitate everything God does. Acts 19:19 “and a number of those who had practiced magic arts brought their books together and burned them in the sight of all. And they counted the value of them and found it came to fifty thousand pieces of silver.”
Fantasy!!! Harry Potter is not real - neither is this life therefore I find it to be fitting. Harry Potter is only for entertainment purposes - stick to reality - humans are way better then worrying about a pen and ink story. Can we talk about Peter Pan if we are going this route?
Well stories are important to discuss though like it’s a form of communication and impacts the culture. Like I may not agree with people who are on the bent of Harry Potter being evil, but it’s certainly a worth while discussion. Admittedly I’m not sure what specifically you have in mind bringing up Peter Pan but like why not discuss Peter Pan?
@itspikachutime5624 I bring Peter Pan up as a topic because there are people who, like the Harry Potter series, like to talk about it being evil and no self proclaimed Christ centered channel cares enough to make a video about those because of so called impact on culture. Funny actually, because Harry Potter was born from the very same place that we get Peter Pan and Alice in Wonderland which are stories that have common subject matters How is Harry Potter more important than those stories, exactly? Witchcraft and wizardry are not as obvious nowadays- there is no more beheading of such people so how is a self proclaimed Christ channel talking of HP because of the Witchcraft? Who cares? We are past the period of wizardry/Witchcraft and talking about Harry Potter because of it is bringing witchcraft back into the focus of society, something that humans are physically past. If a Christ centered video wants to address a specific literary book, don't allow one topic regarding it be the sole reason to make the video. A lot of people watch other fantasy then Harry Potter movies.
Bro kids get influenced by these things. it’s bad for them to read it. Unless they’re doing paper on who harry potter is all they’re gonna think is magic is cool and believe in fairy tales
this comments section is ridiculous, cant enjoy harry potter... cant enjoy lord of the rings? cant enjoy star wars? cant enjoy wheel of time? or 90 percent of literature or media? lol.... unbelievable
We can watch anything but its not profitable. Any good thing that Harry Potter has in it can be found in other series or in real life. I grew up loving Harry Potter and still have fondness for certain aspects of the series but i understand that its saturated eith something 4hat God hates abd i avoid it now.
Nope, dont agree witht this sorry. In regards to Harry P. Why make your child enjoy a book full of satanic things like Magic (yes I said it) and wichcraft ? Why invite these things into his their minds when it can be avoided.
I watch movies because its a spriritual battle just like what us christians do harry potter vs voldemort like us vs demons/devil harry has to fight against voldemort in his head thats how i watch it i dont agree with the witchcraft though but look deeper into the bigger message i wouldnt show my kids but it helps me in spiritual battle aswell as thr bible does aswell
Yes absolutely! Aside from gaining heaps of money to the stars and producers,out of this movie its obvious if Christians cannot detect how this movie is filmed in a double purpose 😮😮😢by promoting the evil of this demonic witchcraft.Its not hard for them to create this movie because they themselves are practicing it. Besides as a Christian I don't patronise this.curse movies .
Hogwarts school of witchcraft 😂😂 nah I’m good on that one my children can read better books that don’t associate with the demonic realm of witchcraft 👍 protect ur children’s eye gates and ear gates my friends the demonic realm ain’t nuthin to joke around with!
Christians took a huge L in the 2000s saying this stuff about Harry Potter. There are so many little Christian themes sprinkled through the story, it could have been such a great springboard for the gospel message. Instead we looked like crazy people calling it "witchcraft" and let the "new atheists" dominate the conversation during that time.
So basically since the spells arent real in the movie its okay for Christians to watch? Because it has good lessons in it or whatever..... You do realize this makes witchcraft look okay to children? Watch it if you want but i wont be. Just doesn't FEEL right to me personally.
@@Sk8Evangelist bro your using brain dead fundamentalist logic comparing Narnia to pornography LOL. C. S. Lewis is the only good Protestant writer. He’s the only guy you guys got lol.
I want to one day be a CEO of a major amusement park/theme park company or my own company for that matter as a Christian college student finishing Mechanical Engineering and Theme Park and Attraction Management, I believe that was the vision God gave me as a desire of my heart that I lift up to Him. Ever since, I love theme parks, rides, experiences, roller coasters, and all that, as much I would love to be the next CEO of an amusement park brand, kind of similar to the next Walt Disney, if the Bible says that witchcraft is evil, how did a theme park attraction like the Wizarding World of Harry Potter at Universal Studios, developed by Universal Creative, became super successful when it opened to guests and it never failed, and has caused Universal to defeat Disney in their ego for many years in creating immersive experiences, and HP Paris will be one of the lands at Universal’s new theme park, Epic Universe opening in 2025, for the sake of that park being the new king of theme parks trying to take down Disney. Was it only for the sake of being deceived and making money just for the sake of gaining the whole world and losing your soul to the Devil and as a result the amusement park industry is turning people away from God, or was there room for God in the series and in the creations of the attractions themselves to where the witches that were persecuted and judged in the Old Testament for their sins including the witch of Endor, were not the same wizards that had magic wands and tried to do spells just for the sake of trying to save the world from evil for good or turn things into different things with wands, which makes the witchcraft that is the controversy operate completely different and imaginable from what the word actually means and what the consequences of using it are in real life are in the Word of God, versus what does not exist like what Hogwarts or JK Rowling’s world was, therefore, making the land innocent, magical, and interactive. To where good wins over evil, and love and friendship and courage win over oppression, tyranny, hate, and mockery and even in the last movie, the Deathly Hallows part 2, where Harry picked life over death and then it it now known JK Rowling professed herself to be a Christian even though she is not perfect in her relationship with God, but now, for who she is, she has gone into prison for being a good person standing up to wokeness in Hollywood? I’m asking this question as a Christian who not just loves the fantasy genre in general, but most importantly, wants to create a magical, memorable amusement park experience with thrills where the parents and the children can have fun together without having to worry about the issues of the real world where a line can be crossed between good and evil?
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Harry Potter is not a safe movie for Christians. It promotes witchcraft with is purely evil, there is no such thing as good witches, all magic is evil and the bible is very clear about such practices.
I grew up watching harry Potter movies, and I read the book, my friends and i used to play quidditch... we were in so deep than we would practice those spells, we had our own wands and stuff... we need to remember that these movies are mainly for children, children who still don't have a firm grasp on morals and that which is good in the yes of the Lord, they brainwash you, and send dark subliminal messages. If you are not aware, magic exists in the real world, witchcraft is real and its not sunshine and rainbows, and the practitioners are not aligned with God.
Ask yourself this question, Which part of the movie brings you closer to Jesus Christ and helps you build a relationship with God? If the answer is not clear then it's not for Christians.
Check out this video Why harry potter is not for Christians Doreen Virture
Extremely informative. Below are notes I took from the video a month ago.
Let’s talk about doctrines of demons Jk Rowling admits herself that there are real witch spells written in her books. During the time of her divorced on a train between Manchester and London and wasn’t trying to write a children’s book but an adult book and the character Harry Potter just strolled into her consciousness. A lot of parents don’t realize how subtle The power of darkness are. How real they are and how they want their children. Jk admitted herself that she takes dictation; that the words are audibly narrated to her and she writes what she’s hearing. God is always warming us to test the spirits and go to the word. This is obviously coming from demonic spirits. Jk also admits doing sorcery as a child.
Satanisim comes in many subtle. Church father Irenaeus said in the second century that satan isn’t gonna come in all his naked deformity. Who would want to follow him. But he comes as an angel of light and offers powers of godhood. Sound the alarm people.
God is clear in both the old and New Testament about How he hates sorcery.
”“When you enter the land which the Lord your God gives you, you shall not learn to imitate the detestable things of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who casts a spell, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For whoever does these things is detestable to the Lord; and because of these detestable things the Lord your God will drive them out before you. You shall be blameless before the Lord your God.“
Deuteronomy 18:9-13
My people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge
”The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, so as not to worship demons, and the idols of gold and of silver and of brass and of stone and of wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk; and they did not repent of their murders nor of their sorceries nor of their immorality nor of their thefts.“
Revelation 9:20-21
”Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap. For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.“
Galatians 6:7-8
Harry Potter is such a sympathetic character he’s painted to be the hero you fall in love with seems to be a story of good vs evil but it’s upside down because the good guy Harry is using evil to combat evil. And people would say wel it’s white magic and God knows my intentions. There is no such thing as white and dark magic.
Satanist Anton Lavey the Arthur of the satanic Bible stated there’s no distinction between black magic and white magic it’s all coming from the same source.
”But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ. For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you bear this beautifully. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds.“
2 Corinthians 11:3-4, 13-15
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Notes
Let's talk about doctrines of demons Jk Rowling admits herself that there are real witch spells written in her books. During the time of her divorce.She was on a train between Manchester and London and wasn't trying to write a children's book but an adult book and she said she felt the character Harry Potter just strolled into her consciousness.
Jk admitted herself that she takes dictation; that the words are audibly narrated to her and she wrote what she's hearing from these voices.
God is always warning us to test the spirits and go to the word of God. This is obviously coming from demonic spirits. Jk also admits doing sorcery as a child with her friends and dressing up as a witch.
Satanisim comes in many subtle ways. Church father Irenaeus said in the second century that satan isn't gonna come in all his naked deformity. Who would want to follow him. But he comes as an angel of light and offers powers of godhood. Sound the alarm people.
God is clear in both the old and New Testament about How he hates sorcery and all things related to it.
""When you enter the land which the Lord your God gives you, you shall not learn to imitate the detestable things of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who casts a spell, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For whoever does these things is detestable to the Lord; and because of these detestable things the Lord your God will drive them out before you. You shall be blameless before the Lord your God."
Deuteronomy 18:9-13
My people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge
"The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, so as not to worship demons, and the idols of gold and of silver and of brass and of stone and of wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk; and they did not repent of their murders nor of their sorceries nor of their immorality nor of their thefts."
Revelation 9:20-21
"Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap.
For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life."
Galatians 6:7-8
Harry Potter is such a sympathetic character he's painted to be the hero you fall in love with him. It seems to be a story of good vs evil but it's upside down because the good guy Harry is using evil to combat evil. And people would say well it's white magic and God knows my intentions. There is no such thing as white and
dark magic. We should be mindful of what we are exposing our children too; being careful as to not desensitize them. A lot of parents don't realize how subtle the power of darkness is. How real they are and how they want their children. Children are being introduced to this white vs dark magic.
It’s a heart posture issue; God is concerned with what defiles the heart. There are Testimonies of children having nocturnal poltergeist experience after reading the Harry Potter books. These books influences people and are opening up people to occult powers Wicca. This isn’t fanaticism this is about what Gods word says. This is glorifying sorcery instead of glorifying God.
”“Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.“
Matthew 7:13-14
Satanist Anton Lavey the Arthur of the satanic Bible stated there's no distinction between black magic and white magic it's all coming from the same source.
"But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ. For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you bear this beautifully. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds."
2 Corinthians 11:3-4, 13-15
”Trust in the Lord with all your heart And do not lean on your own understanding.“
Proverbs 3:5
Notes
Let's talk about doctrines of demons Jk Rowling admits herself that there are real witch spells written in her books. During the time of her divorce.She was on a train between Manchester and London and wasn't trying to write a children's book but an adult book and she said she felt the character Harry Potter just strolled into her consciousness.
Jk admitted herself that she takes dictation; that the words are audibly narrated to her and she wrote what she's hearing from these voices.
God is always warning us to test the spirits and go to the word of God. This is obviously coming from demonic spirits. Jk also admits doing sorcery as a child with her friends and dressing up as a witch.
Satanisim comes in many subtle ways. Church father Irenaeus said in the second century that satan isn't gonna come in all his naked deformity. Who would want to follow him. But he comes as an angel of light and offers powers of godhood. Sound the alarm people.
God is clear in both the old and New Testament about How he hates sorcery and all things related to it.
The biggest theme is self-sacrifice. Harry lives because his mother died for him, and is later told the love that she had is more powerful than magic. Then in turn he himself dies for his friends.
Not to mention, there is research that children who have read Harry Potter have more positive attitudes towards disadvantaged groups. I’d say that’s a win.
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I guess it depends on what you mean by disadvantaged groups, do you mean LGBT? If so
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In 1998, I was hearing from people coming out of witchcraft warning about Harry Potter and stated that it was laced with things they learned. It was not the church lady down the street.
Only people that have dealt with the occult, witchcraft, etc, will be the ones that do not encourage movies and books like this. Everyone else (like this guy) either have never experienced any of it, or just do not take it that serious and probably don't even believe that it is real. That's the problem with most Christians these day. They've never experienced the spiritual side of our world.
@@Sk8EvangelistIts becuase they "learn" everything that is "physical", never being equipped to even grasp spiritual.
That is why Christians will equate reading the bible, going to church and so on as the product of a relationship with God, aka work base religion. While lacking the needed deep devotion that God requires, the basic foundation to a relationship.
God bless.
Same but I’m always leery about those testimonies. I mean, someone who is coming out of an addiction to alcohol might rail against drinking, but does that suddenly make drinking a sin? Nope. People who truly have come out of witchcraft are probably hypersensitive about it.
And then there are those who come out of witchcraft, and they think every single thing in the world is demonic. I mean, I literally had a Christian tell me wearing black was wearing the color of Satan. 😂
The situation you mentioned is anecdotal. It's common for people to claim something is related to a trauma from their past which elicits a severe reaction out of them. It's a similar effect to PTSD. Someone who proclaimed to have been a real witch might have triggers relating to anything they perceive as similar, including story-telling devices that have nothing to do with their trauma. For instance, a war veteran might go into shock over a car door slamming. In more severe cases, like a bear attack, someone might go to the extreme and think all bears are bad. I'd be interested to learn what elements this person mentioned. If there are related elements, it was coincidence. Rowling is quoted to have intentionally laced Christian themes into the books, specifically book 7 in her words.
Former alcoholics strongly advise no one to ever touch alcohol ever, the advice to stay away from Harry Potter is good for those who have a propensity towards witchcraft in the first place. For those who do not have the propensity it is fine to watch things like Harry Potter. Just like someone who is not an alcoholic can have a glass of wine every once in awhile. Romans 14.
As an aspiring storyteller, i could listen to conversations like this all day. I wish there were more conversations about how Christians can not only engage with literature, but create our own to the glory of God. Blessings to everyone!
If you haven't heard of Dirt Poor Robins you should look up their last project Queen of the Night. I think you might like it. They're great Storytellers
Amen. I’m working on fantasy series that will start with a trio of novellas that will launch three trilogies where one of the religions worships a triune god that goes by different titles than the Trinity, but They’re the same. Maybe it’s too direct, but I’m hoping to have some killer (sometimes literally) back and forth between skeptics and believers of different faiths. I hope I can bring honest arguments into it without it feeling that I’m preaching to the audience.
@@williamwilson1222 It could work depending on how you handle it.
@@gordonmitchell8394 - I'll look it up - thanks!
@williamwilson1222 - that sounds great - go for it!
As a kid, I was not allowed to read or watch HP because my mom had been told that the spells used were real spells. About 7-8 years ago, I moved in with my aunt who was a huge HP fan and I worked at hotel. I was solid in my faith and had been a Christian for about 15 years at this point, so I felt comfortable to take a critical look at it. I found the spells were based on Latin (which didn’t exist in the earliest verses against witchcraft). I also found the magic to be based fully in fantasy, the potions all require some mythically-based ingredients and the closest you get to real world witchcraft/occult stuff, it’s treated like a farce and not something worth your time. I couldn’t see how it was any different than CS Lewis or JRR Tolkien. I understand and respect if parents aren’t ok with their kids reading it and I’m not mad my mom didn’t let me. Now, though, my kids and I are definitely fans and definitely Christian and definitely not into occult things. The messages found there are great.
It's actually dripping with Christian themes and imagery. I broke a good bit of that down in a comment. It's worth reading if you can find it.
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Are you sure the magic is fantasy based?
At the end of the fourth book, there is literally a blood sacrifice ritual used to revive Voldemort and that's not very different from rituals that people perform in the Occult world.
So is your argument that the bad people in HP do bad types of magic so therefore you can't read HP? Because there's no way to have villains that don't do bad things.
Ah yes. A classic case of 'whatever you do, do unto the Lord'. No matter if you think the movies have good moral lessons and foreshadow the resurrection of our Lord Jesus, OR if you want to stay far away because 'God will not be pleased', no matter. Do unto the Lord. Follow what the Spirit says to you, don't offend your conscious, and leave other believers alone in their convictions. Have a blessed day!
Amen!!!
I think it would be a good idea to explore the idea of 'moral panic'. The Harry Potter books and movies caused a moral panic amongst Christian parents back in the early 2000s precisely because of the reasons you both are stating here. I personally think it's good to tell your children to be mindful of what they're consuming and to encourage alternatives. However, if they're aware that it's fiction and not something they're to ever try to emulate, reading the series likely won't turn a Christian child into an occultist, witch, or wizard lol
A lot of the moral panic stems from the fact that the American publishers changed the title of the book from Harry Potter and the philosopher's stone (an actual piece of British mythical history) to Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone (absolute nonsense). They did this under the impression it would help with sales. Ironically, all of the moral panic and pearl clutching really did help out.
I believe the moral panic hurt Christianity more than Harry Potter ever has.
22 The faith that you have, keep between yourself and God.Blessed is the one who has no reason to pass judgment on himself for what he approves.
Romans 14:22
One thing about growing up in the West is it is hard to get away from Christianity. When it comes to Harry Potter, I recommend reading the books over watching the movies, as the movies cut a lot of the Christianity out.
There is so much in the story, but I'll list a few examples: In the first book, when Harry goes to Ollivander’s Wand Shop, he tries a few wands before finding one that works well for him. Ollivander notes that it is interesting that Harry should get that one (a wand made of holly with a phoenix feather constituting its core), considering that the particular phoenix that gave the feather only ever gave one other feather that was used as a core in Voldemort’s wand (made of yew). This is significant because the phoenix is used as a symbol for Christ on account of the dying and resurrecting nature. This is foreshadowing the resurrection of Voldemort as well as the death and resurrection of Harry. However, Harry will resurrect and overcome death, hence the holly; likewise, when Voldemort resurrects, he will poison everyone around him, hence the yew.
In the last book, around Christmas time, Harry and Hermione find his parents' (as well as Dumbledore’s sister) graves behind a church in Godric's Hollow with Bible verses written on them. Being raised by the Dursleys I imagine this is Harry's first experience with Christianity, though it plays into his sacrifice at the end.
Closer to the time of Epiphany, Harry and Hermione find themseves wandering aimlessly until Snape’s Patronus (Expecto Patronus = a plea from the heart for the aid of a patron) a doe finds him and leads him to a frozen lake. This is an allusion to the story of Saint Eustace, who was led to Christ by a deer one day while he was out hunting.
Contrary to popular belief, Harry does not at first see the sword of Griffindor under the ice, but the Ruby-encrusted hilt (It's a cross). Harry cannot use magic to bring it to himself, so he blast a hole in the ice and dives down to grab it. This is a baptism. And then you have Harry Potter willingly giving himself over to death at the hands of Voldemort, thus robbing Voldemort of his power over those allied to Harry. His last meeting with Dumbledore in King's Cross station (aptly named). His resurrection and final face-off with Voldemort. Voldemort refuses Harry's offer to repent of what he has done and then Voldemort’s death. There is so much more I could go into with the story, but it is a pretty big mouthful for a comment no one is likely to see much less read.
God bless you all.
I read the whole thing. And I have to say, it’s amazing and so interesting to hear about these connections. Thanks.
I think you’re conveniently forgetting JK Rowling’s background in witchcraft & Gnosticism which shows up syncretically in those books. The magic spells, animals & even mythological creatures there are not of God. Harry Potter encourages learning about potions, spells & divination which are not of God.
@@SY-Rhyana Christians appropriate (dare I say baptize) and use mythological elements in their storytelling all the time. Dante, Lewis, and Tolkien all did it. I don't agree with JK Rowling on very much personally, politically, or professionally. However, God has worked though her to create a piece of work that is far from perfect, but ulitimately succeeds in transcending Rowling herself.
And in regards to all of this weird occult nonsense, it's worth pointing out that the only real world analog to anything along those lines would be the divinations class taught by Sybill Trelawney. She's mocked relentlessly as a hack by everyone. Read between the lines.
I take it you fooled your parents quite a bit growing up lol
@@07acanoia I don't quite get what you're getting at?
But my sister and I did convince our mother that “Meet The Spartans” was an educational documentary. she took us to go see it so our plan worked, but it all fell apart at the last minute when she thought she'd buy a ticket for herself and watch it with us. We were so close to getting away with it. lol
Any mature Christian or Non-christian person will see that Harry Potter is just more than just the magic. It's way more than.
Your right. ITs about good overcoming evil
@@Bornagain7202It’s also about witchcraft, spells, potions & divination which are not of God. You conveniently forget about JK Rowling’s background in Gnosticism & witchcraft
@@SY-Rhyana I grew up with the movies and it hast changed my beliefs or faith in our savior one bit.
Your right. It’s bout kids in school that hardly do spells.
@@Bornagain7202 It's not about whether it has changed your belief in Jesus. It's about whether it got you comfortable with witchcraft. Even Christian witches perform spells and profess to believe in Jesus.
I think disagreement on this matter is fair. But let’s not pretend like your personal experience with Harry Potter or fantasy is enough grounds for establishing doctrine other believers should follow. We should each measure what we have experienced in accordance to our convictions and the word.
Not every Christian is convicted the same way. If YOU are convicted not to watch something then don’t do it. That would be sin. And it’s perfectly fine to talk to other Christians about your convictions and why you feel convicted a certain way. But don’t assume that every Christian needs to be convicted in the same way.
Also, a lot of Christians won’t let their kids read good literature. Their own parental skills must be lacking if they think their kid is going to follow every incorrect view they read about in a book. How about actually reading different books with your children, and discussing them afterward? Most parents don’t want to take the time to actually be parents.
As someone who has read the entire harry potter series twice before I got saved I can tell you, as much as this guy wants to tell you it isn't demonic, I would say 2 things, first for the movie fans, after starring in harry potter the live action actors went on to star in a number of obviously demonic movies (Go check for yourself) which as a christian judging by the fruit I'd question if this is the fruit it's producing should I watch it? As for the books when people say "the spells are just latin" it is true however real spells don't depend on the language they're in but the meaning behind the words and coming into agreement with demonic powers.
Plenty of Disney channel actors went on to do unhinged things too. It doesn't mean those shows were bad. People make their own choices in life and a lot of movies they star in are at their agent's mercy.
My siblings and I grew up reading Harry Potter. We all dabbled in actual witchcraft to varying degrees, with my sister now a devout Wiccan. Around the age of 10, my brother had a wiccan book and told me it's the real side of Harry Potter. If it weren't for Jesus, I would've wanted to keep pursuing this path.
Yes, HP is a very well created story that addresses things like death, coming off age, weilding power, etc. But it's not from a godly perspective. I wouldn't say no Christians should ever read it, but read it cautiously, and I wouldn't hand it to a child who can't reason between Christian and wordly virtues.
Lastly, learning witchcraft is absolutely the driving force in HP. In other stories like LOTR and Narnia, there is magic, but it's behind the scenes and not the main point. Just my 2 cents.
“Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled”.
God literally called me out of darkness into his light. This is the spiritual darkness. What is Idolatry to God according to his word?
You can convince yourself that anything is permissible based on this kind of rationale. The questions we should ask is this;
Is there witchcraft in Harry Potter? Yes.
Should Christians watch witchcraft? No.
Should Christians watch Harry Potter? No.
See that simplifies things
Your logic wouldn’t even allow a Christian to read the Bible, or force us to remove moments like Saul using a medium.
@@itspikachutime5624I would have to disagree with your statement.
The Bible is showing the sins of Saul in a negative light and warns us against such things.
Watching Harry Potter for your enjoyment is completely different because it’s painting something evil/demonic in a positive light, which is as anti biblical as it gets.
@@itspikachutime5624I would love to hear your thoughts whether you think there is anything that is wrong for a Christian to watch? Is porn ok since it highlights the beauty of the intimacy between a man and a woman?
Are horror movies ok to watch since they highlight the fact that life is short and that we will all die one day?
Is there anything wrong for us at all?
You can also convince yourself that anything is NOT permissible based on your rationale. The questions we should ask are these:
Is there REAL WORLD witchcraft in Harry Potter? No.
Is there fantasy witchcraft that has nothing to do with real world witchcraft? Yes.
Should Christians watch witchcraft? No.
Should Christians watch Harry Potter? That is up to them to decide, but there is nothing in the Bible suggesting make-believe fantasy worlds unrelated to actual Satanic practices are prohibited from being used to convey good teachings and messages.
@@SkywalkerOne1977I’m curious if you think anything can be considered wrong because it’s not “real world”? After all, it’s just actors right? Why would any horror movie be wrong because it’s not real, it’s just acting after all
Problem with stuff like Harry Potter is that it desensitizes you toward existence of magic (occult, warlock, witches, etc.), people think it´s only fiction. OR, it makes you think there is black and white magic and that white magic is the good one magic - when it´s only something like "good cop, bad cop" thing from Satan and demons - trap. I liked HP movies quite much, but not watching it anymore.
Do you have the same issue with chronicles of narnia or lord of the rings?
@rossbrown1273 good question lol
@@rossbrown1273I personally choose to avoid watching such movies or books that focus on witchcraft that are extra biblical. This includes Narnia.
@@rossbrown1273yes, I have an issue with that genre of movies. After I’ve watched them, I’ve avoided other movies like them.
Harry Potter is fine. It's more closer to fairy tale magic, which is heavily laden with christian sub-text. It's actually pretty blatantly obvious.
"True" magic is not like what it is in Harry Potter. Just to give you a idea, saying a prayer is more or less the same thing as "casting a spell". True occult practitioners call upon spirits/gods/principalities to enact their whims and desires in the world. To give them more power.
As Christians, it's "not my will, but yours (God)". which is the main differentiator.
The themes that were mentioned that you find in the Harry Potter story, like sacrificing yourself for your loved ones, are themes that I think the general public who read Harry Potter don't really primarily notice or primarily remember at the end of the day, but in my opinion it is the magic and the magic battles that will attract people's attention. At the end of a film/book like this, I think that very few people think about how self-sacrificing someone has behaved, but rather the spells that are recited, the fight with different spells, the mystical. People are more likely to think, "oh wow, I would like to experience that too" and visit theme parks, buy merchandise, play computer games to imitate that. Some people may go so far as to get tarot cards, go to a fortune teller or implement other occult practices because the Harry Potter story has already desensitized them to this. When you hear from Christians that magic and the occult are dangerous and not pleasing to God, you quickly react sensitively, defend Harry Potter and co. and do not recognize the deeper danger behind it. It's not about demonizing everything in everyday life, but especially with such a huge thing like Harry Potter, which has such an impact on so many people worldwide, Christians should be able to examine from Heavenly Father's perspective whether Whether such a thing is pleasing to God or not, it is commendable to read it, and even to confess to reading such books or rather not, because a Christian has a role model function for his fellow human beings. When it comes to the sacrificial part of Harry Potter: Many books or films or songs have certain themes that a Christian generally approves of (fighting injustice, helping the oppressed, etc.) - but at the end of the day you have to examine the big picture from a biblical point of view.
The fundamentalist reading of the text is considered to be the first level of Biblical understanding. We are meant to build on top of that, yet so many stay at that level
I never let my children believe in Santa Claus as I did not want them thinking Jesus isn't real as Santa is not "real". No Easter Bunny either. Fought hard against Halloween but I give out Christian tracts along with good candy and my pumpkins are carved with a cross, or fish or some symbol denoting Jesus.
Right on!
I believe in Santa, is that bad?
This comments section is actually cooked 😭
For real this is so stupid
Twice, when i was reading the books, i felt a heavy, scary presence. Kind of like i was gonna pass out. It was in book four when they're doing a ritual/sacrifice to revive Voldermort, and in the sixth book where they learnt hat Voldermort is pretty much immortal because he killed certain people and hid his soul in artifacts.
But, i was the BIGGEST fan. I made every excuse and would roll my eyes when people would talk against the books. But there was something way in the back of my conscience, and I knew that it was not God glorifying.
Even though I felt those things,
unfortunately i held on to my Harry Potter books for years, and threw them out just last year. Not playing with that type of stuff.
Desensitization is real. Christians in the West are desensitized to demonic stuff because of horrors movies and just wanting to be entertained. You go to other countries with real witchcraft, you might think differently.
Ty I can't belive people really tryna make this tight
I agree. Growing up i definitely watched HP, and I would have recently love to do a marathon. I thought it was okay to watch. But recently I’m reading a book where a person mentioned that God told them that people “don’t even realize they offend him nowadays.” Since a lot of things have been normalized. I’ve realized this is true. From kid shows to kid movies to Rated R movies we see violence, witchcraft, magic, astrology, mediums, alcoholism, cheating, murdering etc. video games too. It’s all become normal. Even artist concerts. It’s “art” or themed. I used to think this but now I see it’s not a coincidence. A seed is planted and we get accustomed to it which makes us offend God. Accepting things of the enemy as “normal” or “harmless” but is very much harmful to our spirit
@@Deanna974 Wow. I completely agree with you. Those two specific parts - end of GOF where Wormtail literally performs a blood sacrifice ritual to revive Voldemort and the sixth where we're introduced to the idea of horcruxes, were undoubtedly the darkest parts of the series for me (in fact some of the darkest things I've ever read in any literature).
I did ignore this for years because I grew up with the books and I loved it so much, especially the creative aspects of the books, some of the interesting characters and the idea that good always triumphs over evil.
But I know and have known for a while that the books are too dark to not be demonic and I've been on the fence about whether I should get rid of them or not. But reading your comment makes me want to go through with it.
What is the worst that can happen if one keeps them in their home?
@@vinishap222 wow, that's crazy that it was the same two parts in the book that we both noticed.
I never thought I'd be that person who would say all that I said about something that was "just a kid book," (defintely NOT for kids) but I can't deny it now. I can't pretend. I'm definitely not a "there's demons in everything," person, but this is just blatant and i ignored the leading of the spirit for far too long.
@@Deanna974 That's probably because they are the darkest parts of the books. It's not that much of a coincidence to notice that actually.
In the first three books, they're still very much children and are just playing with magic and exploring the fun aspects of studying in a school of magic. But the fourth book really packs the punch when a main character actually dies in the end and Voldemort is given life again through a very dark and creepy ritual. And let's not even get into the sixth and seventh books.
Weirdly, whenever I re-read the books, I always stopped at the Order of the Phoenix, because it just got too dark after that and it wasn't even fun to re-read the last two books.
And believe me, I too was one of those people who would be willing to die on the hill of - Harry Potter is not a satanic book. I remember when I was growing up and also reading them, the then Pope called them satanic. And me being a Catholic refused to even take that seriously and fought everybody around me 😅.
As an adult who has lived life some more, I see things very differently now.
Anyhow yeah, I've been told that even keeping them in your home can open the doors to demons (even if you're not actively reading them) and I'm wondering if this is true and if I should give up the books which I once considered one of my most prized possessions.
The key to understanding whether magic inclusion in a story is good or bad is understanding the source of the power in the lore and characters. Do the draw it from the creator? Lesser beings with self interest? Or, like in Harry Potter, it is a power intrinsic to a person that may be used to the moral end of the individual? In Harry Potter, magic is a skill or talent that some are born with and they must make moral choices with that ability. Once understood like this, it make sense
Great observation. But the magic in Harry Potter might just come from God. They could be harmonizing themselves with the eternal logos through which all things are made. And the “dark arts” are trying to do magic on your own. God bless.
Just a point on Job. Everything he had was doubled except his kids. He had the same amount that was lost. The simple take away from that is there are some things in life that just can’t be replaced.
Sorry guys, but I have to strongly disagree with Harry Potter being okay to read as a Christian. Before I became a Christian in the early 2000’s, I read and loved the Harry Potter series. I also developed sleep paralysis at the same time in my life. I didn’t really connect the two at the time but I know that it was reading these books that did it. I suffered from sleep paralysis for years until I became a Christian. By calling on the name of Jesus, I was set free. Jesus’ name is the name above all names. Thank YOU Jesus! Harry Potter is witchcraft pure and simple. Keep away from it. Don’t listen to me or this guy who thinks that it is okay to read it, seek the LORD earnestly and He will lead you in the right direction. “Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding, in all your ways acknowledge Him and He will direct your paths.” Proverbs 4:5-6.
I think the root of your problem is not a child's book
Its make belief, the difference is believing and practicing is wrong, you don't believe or practice make belief.
So watching porn is okay because you are not physically doing the act? What we read and watch greatly influences us as believers. We are in a spiritual war. If you think that it is harmless fun then cool. That’s between you and the Lord. At least seek His will in prayer is all I am saying.
You’re right. The root of my problem is sin. But Jesus took care of that.
@nickp3672 you and I both know that doesn't make sense dude, it would only be bad if your lusting over the video, people don't watch harry potter to lust over and you kmow it. If you wana prove a point thats not the way to do it.
I have disagree. Harry Potter does not even hid it, the books and movies are filled with witches and dark spells. Would you let a kid read a satanic book? The fact that the guest said, “If you don’t let your kids read Harry Pottor, your not letting they read good literature.” WHAT???? Good literature does not mean you should read it.
I think we can look at Philippians, ”Finally brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable - if there is any moral excellence and if there is anything praiseworthy - dwell on these things.“
Philippians 4:8 CSB
Dwell on these things!
Ultimately truth is more important than “good literature” or “bad literature.”
Dude you’ve got fundamentalist brain. After reading Harry Potter is someone really going to be dwelling on the witchcraft in the film??? And JK Rowling just uses the name whichcraft because that is the word people know. The magic in Harry Potter is nothing like the magic forbidden in the Bible. For example, one spell is cast to ward off dementors (which are basically demons that suck out your souls) literally by thinking happy thoughts. The magic forbidden in the Bible is invocational magic (asking demons to help you). The magic in Harry potter is incantational magic. It can be seen as harmonizing your self with the logos. The magic in Harry Potter is a literary device JK uses to externalize inner emotions. Harry Potter is true, honorable and lovely and all the other things mentioned in that verse and what I dwell on after reading it is not the “whichcraft” but loves ability to conquer death. God bless
Rowlings whole point in these books is to literally get us to focus on things that are true, good, Noble, lovely, commendable, just and pure and they end with an extremely clear and in your face Christ dying for our sins, defeating the evil one and ressurection. The books are more clearly christian, the movies left alot out and got pretty dark.
Real sorcery is much, much different than anything you will find in Harry Potter. We’re talking sex rituals and human sacrifices. You’re trying to compare real demonic practices to a children’s book…a work of fiction with made up characters and made up concepts. You know what “dark magic” is in the Harry Potter books? Something completely fictitious that has absolutely no roots in the real world. You might as well ban Disney movies and Superman while you’re at it.
Harry Potter is fine. As long as the reader/watcher can discern the difference between reality and make believe, why not? Also, there's a piece of advice that I heard on a TH-cam channel where a counselor makes their children sit and meditate after a movie or TV show IOT bring their minds and emotions back to this reality - to have them accept that they're in this world. And I just thought that was brilliant.
Shalom man of God and many blessings to you and to your beautiful wife and families (personal/ministries).
I do understand where you both are coming from in this dialogue.
And yes, things like "lord of the rings" and "harry potter" do carry lessons about the challenges that come with life, such things like death, which was mentioned in this dialogue.
But we have to also take into consideration how these things are approached and how they are introduced into our personal lives.
For instance,
Greek mythology is mentioned in this dialogue. A person cannot approach this particular subject from a place of human reasoning. Because that particular level of understanding does not carry the depth needed when understanding things that try to mimic and imitate The Most High's image and His life.
We are responsible for understanding life from the realm of the Spirit, especially when dealing with things that cater to the fallen nature of man.
Greek mythology caters to the fallen nature of man.
This is why it is important to understand the enemy satan and how he operates.
The enemy has used the Greek culture to promote "self worship." And Greek mythology falls into that realm.
In the Greek culture human intelligence is exalted, especially through philosophical studies. The enemy satan is after the mind of man. This is why he tries to entice humankind into embracing human intelligence and human wisdom over the wisdom and intelligence of The Most High God.
The enemy is very cunning in his tactics. And he will use things like Greek mythology and things like "lord of the rings" and "harry potter" to ensnare the mind of man."
If a person is not equipped spiritually and tries to engage in the things you both are discussing in this dialogue they can end up exposing themselves and their loved ones to real encounters with demonic activity and real demonic bondage.
The "lord of the rings" and "harry potter" may have some interesting ways when approaching "life lessons", but there are real doors connected to these works and behind those doors are real demon spirits and real demonic activity.
It is unwise for born again believers to engage in things that host darkness. And even when approaching these things from a position of examination, study, and observation, the believer has to be equipped and developed through real processes with regeneration when being a genuine "watchman" for The Kingdom of God and for The Most High's people.
We have to protect our inner man and our personal space as well as those around us and who are close to us. We cannot take things like this lightly. Greek mythology and movies like the ones mentioned in this dialogue are not innocent. Greek mythology hosts real demon spirits. Every god in this mythology is backed by a real demon.
And each demon has a real focus which is to obtain possession of the mind of man. And when that is accomplished then the soul is obtained.
The enemy mimics everything The Most High does. And we cannot shut our eyes to that truth.
God Bless you both and Shalom unto you and to your beautiful wives and families.
Deathly Hallows was the greatest recreation of a passion play and Harry Potter is the greatest Christ figure in literature without being divine himself. Fight me, Fundies.
Well, not the movie version so much.
Hmmmm….being a fan in my pre-saved life… I agree.
JK Rowling also in a way becomes a messiah figure too when her fans try to crucify her as well. Just like following Christ, the servant is not greater than the master.
@@NomosCharis even the movie version was quite blatant. That was my dad's impression when we saw it. Too bad they didn't have Harry point out to Voldemort how his Avada Kedavra curses no longer worked. Still, at least Lily's sacrifice already solidified the love conquering death theme.
@@chowyee5049 Harry’s sacrifice cancelling Voldemort’s power over his friends was the golden thread that connected Lily’s sacrifice for Harry in book 1 to the end of the series. Without that, the movie basically ripped the story’s heart out, and replaced it with empty special effects action.
Well from my understanding they actually used words from witchcraft, actual sayings of calling of demons in Harry Potter books, I don't think it'll be good for a kid to read those books, at least as a kid without the Holy Spirit.
The words are Latin paraphrases.
Harry Potter, Chronicles of Narnia, Lord of the Rings all have some biblical symbolism to it.
I break down a few instances of the Christianity from the books in a comment on this video.
I understand the different meanings of the word “myth,” but I don’t like describing Christianity as “a myth that is true”
Bruh
Doesnt need to be debated if its demonic ...its demonic period dont watch.
The magic is a plot device used to both enchant the story and move it along to a meaningful conclusion.
@@gordonmitchell8394 the movie is based on witches warlocks and sorcery ... All the devils playground there's no Jesus anywhere near this movie 🎥
@@lastdayz1904>.> except all the Christian references another commenter pointed out.
@@lastdayz1904 ouch, interpretation of storytelling is not your strong suit that's okay
Harry Potter shows demonic things, but saying it's demonic is crazy. Imagine if we make a live action of when Saul went to the witch to bring back Samuel.... would anyone think it's a demonic movie? Of course.
The chief problem is the desensitization. It’s the trivial nature and apathy that is causes. Creating sympathy in the mind regarding themes of magic. In real life, in all instances magic is demonic and rooted in foreign spiritual powers that aren’t of God. As a person who loves fiction I understand the value of story telling and imagination, it’s a wrestle I have as an artist. But because I’ve seen real life repercussions of witchcraft (demonization) it becomes difficult to return to a neutral position on even fictional fantasy depictions. I get it. I still enjoy a lot of fiction, by Gods permission, but some I feel conviction to stay away from because God has taught me a lot about the subject matter. Once God shows you, you’re held responsible for your knowledge.
It’s literally the battle of good and evil and good triumphs over evil!!
Sure when good burns withes on stakes...then it is obvious it triumphs;)
One Old Testament seminar could tell you that Job’s written style is that of an allegory.
J.K. Rowling studied witchcraft and used real spells so nuff said
But it's such "great story telling". Shouldn't we compromise for entertainment? SMH These guys are nuts!
Nah man you gotta get rid of your fundamentalist brain 😂😂. What spell in Harry Potter is real? Let’s hear it. Buddy is literally just barring false witnesses.
@@K.P.LEE4 yeah not real at all- Latin words
Very based thank you for this perspective 🙏🌿
You should talk about this topic when you speak with Jonathan Pageau. He has a lot of good insight about fantasy and stories.
There is a really great book that offers well-studied insight into this topic exactly that anyone having this conversation should read. It is “Hollywood Heroes: How Your Favorite Movies Reveal God” by apologists Frank Turek and his son Zack Turek. I’m not saying you should believe either way specifically because of it, but it is an excellently written book with great studied, Biblical insight into this. Study, meditate, think. Don’t just choose to believe because of how you feel. Yes, follow the Spirit as you perceive, but as Paul preaches we should not judge others because they may not be convicted by the Spirit for reading it. As far as reading Greek mythology, start studying the late, great Michael Heiser and true Biblical study of Genesis 6, Job, etc. and you will start understanding what Greek mythology is truly about and where it came from. Keep up the great conversations - with humility and love. God bless.
Been watching and rading Harry Potter for 20 years, and not once have I sat that and decided to do witchcraft or worship the devil. The whole narrative of ignorant people saying, "well it has magic and witches and wizards and blah blah blah..." is the dumbest thing in the world. If that's your argument, then dont pick up The Chronicles of Narnia or The Lord of the Rings or Percy Jackson.
Where can I watch the full interview from this video??
I was never allowed to watch the Harry Potter movies growing up because they contained “witchcraft”. I finally watched the first couple movies now in my early 20s and was expecting dark evil wizardry but was surprised with a fun light hearted children’s movie. Stop scaring people into thinking that anything containing magic or sorcery must be avoided at all costs because they invite “demons” into your life, it’s pure nonsense.
The books are a lot better and are actually dripping with Christian imagery and themes. People are just freaking out because they haven't read them or don't know the bible/christianity well-enough to understand what's going on.
@@gordonmitchell8394 I think it’s more of christians adopting this “stay away from anything containing magic or sorcery” attitude as apposed to them being weary about a book they haven’t read. I see it the most with the fundamentalist/evangelical type christians like my dad. They’re actually scared of consuming any form of entertainment that contains anything that could be labeled “witchcraft”. I would like to read the books myself as with most movies based on books I hear the books are better.
Artur is so smart!
Harry Potter is fiction. That's all it really is.
If the Chosen series can lead people to Christ.....can Harry Potter lead people to Satan?
@@ThePennySavers The chosen displays a true story of Christ in action showing true biblical stories and shows the true nature of Christ and his life leading up to his death. The reason why it leads people to Christ is because it literally shows the Bible in a way that is more understanding and leads people to read the Bible which most likely leads them to Jesus. Harry Potter is work of fiction and yes it shows sin sometimes but in the plot people know it’s fake. It doesn’t straight up give reasons to follow satan like how the chosen gives out straight out reasons to follow Jesus showing he is merciful and loving. Harry Potter is really a work of fiction displayed in a different world were “magic” exists. It really isn’t that deep. If you feel conviction don’t watch it because it’s the holy spirt telling you this isn’t good FOR YOU and YOU can’t handle it. If someone is not convicted then IT DOES NOT damage THERE relationship with Christ. This is how I see it. God bless you. Be open to you own opinion and please don’t take this argument in a negative way I truly wish you the best !!
It's funny how these channels start out as apologetics and eventually turn into ridiculous conspiracy theory and fear mongering nonsense.
Imagine thinking children's books are demonic. 😂 What a sad way to live your life.
That’s not what this video is doing though. Maybe you meant someone else or something but just saying.
Well the books they are putting out now for children are completely unacceptable and demonic
@@itspikachutime5624 they are just looking at the thumbnail
Why in the world would we as Christian want to enjoy reading things that have to do with magic, wizards, witchcraft etc.? The things God specifically tells us that he does not like. Why are we even arguing for this stuff?
Amen!!!!!
Exactly. Christians should read the book of Deuteronomy lol. I read Harry Potter as a kid too and loved it. The Lord convicted me real quick after having a not so fun spiritual encounter in my adulthood. Just because we don’t feel these spiritual doors being opened doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened. The devil will use that door when it’s convenient. When it comes to witchcraft and the occult even in entertainment…I’ll pass thank you. Live and learn.✌️✌️✌️
Ok then don’t read LOTR, Chronicles of Narnia, any Disney movie, marvel movie. While you’re at it don’t even read the Bible because that has which-craft in it. God never said not to read about whichcraft lol
@@K.P.LEE4the Bible condemns magic dude…its wrong in all those things you mentioned as well if it’s seen as good. Heck even a class in Harry Potter is called “divination.” Go look in the Bible where it mentions divination lol. When magic is called good it’s wrong…there is no such thing as good magic
Food for thought. Since Harry Potter (not just Harry Potter) interest in witchcraft, paganism and the occult have ballooned.
Just a coincidence?
Bingo. I saw a BBC documentary on Harry Potter where they made a exhibit on the magic history of Harry Potter where they pulled artifacts and such from history like wands and real things that “magicians” used. The exhibit had kids attending since it’s Harry Potter. One of the interactive exhibits was tarot cards themed after Harry Potter….and yes kids were participating. Emma watson (the actress who played hermoine) is into that stuff…wonder why? The main problem with Harry Potter is it calls evil good…there is no such thing as good magic.
I think it’s fine to read Harry Potter. I always saw Harry as a Christ like figure in the fight of good vs evil. Is that a replacement for Jesus, no. But an enjoyable story
This is where you seek the Lord for guidance. I’ve heard that it was okay and I’ve heard that it is not, from true believers such as these guys.
As someone that used to dabble in the occult I think Harry Potter is ok but it can be a steeping stone for kids or those with no faith or weak faith into the occult. And we as Christians if we like it or other fantasy books/movies we should be careful not to get too obsessed or turn it into an idol.
Im Christian and play D&D. Knowing the lore, magic, monsters etc is all fiction, i think it is fine.
I don't really think Harry Potter is biblically
Is it 2004 again?
To add: JK Rowling said that she incorporated Christian themes into Harry Potter because she is a devout Christian.
Some of this stuff that I’m mentioning is the same with the argument with Harry Potter and some of it will deal with me also talking about the satanic panic because it’s actually relevant to these topics
The argument on Harry Potter is the same argument on horror movies. Harry Potter is based on the imagination of jk Rowling. If a Christian chooses to stay away from watching Harry Potter and even horror movies then it should be respected because that is there convictions but also I would like add is that I think we need to stop saying that “horror movies opens up doors to demons” and that’s because it can lead to legalism because it depends on your convictions and that it’s not a true statement at all.
If you have a kid that is into Harry Potter and you allow kids to continue to read and watch Harry Potter or even if you are a Christian parent then that’s fine and some parents may not allow their kids to watch Harry Potter and horror movies then that’s fine because kids should also respect and honor their parents.
I think it’s sad like very sad to see Christian’s attacking each other over horror genre and Harry Potter. I personally it’s a Roman’s 14 issue. Christian’s should respect each others convictions. I personally grew up liking Harry Potter and I do own all of the movies on dvd and part 2 of deathly hallows part 2 on digital (not sure if I still own it on dvd) and I grew up watching horror movies and I still like the horror genre to this day and my favorite is religious horror movies.
Now this is also the same argument over secular music because it’s also a controversial topic. It is something that has divided Christians for a long time. Dungeons and dragons are also controversial due to the satanic panic because both secular music and dungeons and dragons were around during the satanic panic.
The satanic panic happened in the 80s and early to late 90s and the after effects of it are still around today. Back then there were some Christian’s that were against dungeons and dragons, horror movies, rock n roll music, etc. . Today, some Christian’s are against Disney, horror movies, dungeons and dragons, Harry Potter, etc.
A lot of people try to hide literature from there kids , its not a good idea and a lot of times because parents dont want to answer questions example why is the bible real and harry potter isnt , im just saying you shouldnt hide things from your kids cause than they will be even more attracted to it , but thats just my experience
Its deff not good for christians to watch it .
😂
Buddy didn’t even offer an argument. Just straight yapping.
This definitely a wisdom issue, not black and white
Thank you
I used to watch it and literally asked God like hey if I’m not supposed to watch it lemme know but it’s “ just a movie” u know. I went to bed that night and I certainly got my answer through a straight up attack dream. Plus it’s witch craft full of crap. Let’s not sugarcoat it just cuz it seems “innocent or you like it” tough crap. Cut it out people. Follow or don’t follow Jesus. It’s time to make up ur mind and how deep you want ur relationship to be with him. If you want closer but keep watching this kinda stuff including other like movies, books, games ect.. then don’t be surprised when u don’t get closer. However, ask God for yourself.
Amen.
Twice, when i was reading the books, i felt a heavy, scary presence. It was in book four when they're doing a ritual/sacrifice to revive Voldermort, and in the sixth book where they learnt hat Voldermort is pretty much immortal because he killed certain people and hid his soul in artifacts. Unfortunately i held on to my Harry Potter books for years, and threw them out just last year. Not playing with that type of stuff.
This video made me unsubscribe 😂 so many extremes and judgment in this channel. The whole opposite of what I expected. Harry Potter got me out of my darkest times. It's about perception and intention.
The video didn’t condemn Harry Potter at all, I’d even say it was very pro Harry Potter, critical thinking, and good story telling.
This is going to be interesting.😊😅
No, that it's exaggeration is not a sensible conclusion by what you said. It is something that could be considered as potentially the case, but is not a sensible conclusion in of itself. (re: Job and his multiplication)
The Problem with Harry Potter is that it is a movie that realizes on sorcery, witchcraft, magic ect ect for entertainment or pleasure, even to the point it basically tries to make the hero to fight fire with fire. Harry potter is a movie that does not consider sorcery, witchcraft, magic ect ect as something that is evil or wrong and that’s exactly why they decide to make movies with this topic for entertainment/ pleasure. Take for instance the movie from Jackie Chan called the drunken master which is about a man who while getting drunk is good in fighting and obviously the movie does not portray or consider drunkenness to be evil or a sin or wrong and that is something that cleary the Bible prohibits and considers a sin. Obviously this movie is fiction but it’s also clear that God does not approve of Christians to take pleasure or entertainment in these types of movies.
I think HP was the greatest missed evangelistic opportunity of the church. It's full of messiah imagery. No different than Narnia or Lord of the Rings. There's even Bible quotes out of 1 Corinthians 15:26 and Matthew 6:21
@@Arvak777But it’s also full of witchcraft. People conveniently forget JK Rowling’s background in Gnosticism & witchcraft. Notice how God does not exist in any of her books.
I have heard that jk rowling is into the occult. If that is true, then there is a difference between like a Harry Potter and shrek. Shrek has magic, but it's more fairy tail magic, whereas Harry Potter has inspirations from the real occult.
Yeah you won't find anything that validates that. She also uses heavy Christian references in the story.
ohh yes. watch chris pintos work he exposes all the symbolism of the occult from Christian perspective i have his vids in my bio/channel description in the order they came out basically. the sorcere stone, phoenix symbolism, even actual spells know in occult circles word for word... all things that are seen even on our money today showing the wlite are occultists and in power for thousands of years striving for the same goal. what bacon called the new order of the ages, new world order, fourth reich/fourth industrial revolution. hitler got the swastika from jesuits but its an ancient symbol
You heard... stop spreading hear say fam smh
Instead of hearing why don’t you go find out for yourself?
As an ex occult student and practitioner I can safely say Harry Potter is about as innocent as it comes... I think most people have a completely wrong understanding of the occult world. Their are however some movies from the horror genre I would tell people to stay away from if the can because they use real world spells and curses.... but Harry Potter doesn't fall into this category. If you give power to something then it has power though... in other words if you give your power to Harry Potter and believe it's more than just a story then don't watch or read it... if you just see it as a story then that is all it is.
Fantasy that cannot be replicated is fantasy. If it can be replicated, it's not fantasy. Witch craft is real and anyone can do it. End of discussion it is wrong.
Harry is best archetype of Jesus.
Lean not on your own understanding if you have to use your brain this much to figure out whether something is good or bad then you should probably rely on your Holy Spirit and if you don’t have that, then you have a even bigger problem than reading or watching magic in books or movies
HP is a figuire that represents the old English Magicians and Mystery Cult Priesthood. Called Cunning Folk and Druids....
I’m pretty sure jk said that she basically stole the story from the Bible.
Also I think this is something that is different for different people, for me it’s fine and doesn’t take me away from God in any way it might even bring me closer to him in some ways, but if you feel like it is taking you away from God or it might don’t read it and stay away from it
JK Rowling was raised Catholic.
Most witches disagree with you. A lot of Christian’s have strongholds regarding yoga, Harry Potter and video games.
We'll leave the whole "demonic" or not thing to the side for a second, I really couldn't care regardless, I don't even own a tv lol. But it is true that the storyline of Harry Potter does actually follow/ and depict the same storyline as the Bible. Which is a pretty good theme to start with in my opinion maybe leave out some of it,but then again Moses and Aaron battles it out with magicians in the desert so why not lol
Missed the mark on this one sorry Ruslan, your guest is wrong.
This is great, do “ should Christians read the Qur An” next
HAHAHA They're gonna say yes and justify it by it's "great story telling". After all, entertainment over God right? (that last line was sarcasm)
@PhillipMHarden I see more folks in the comments doing their best to justify it rather than bring it to God in prayer and show a willingness to give it up if it doesn't honour Him.
I've always been a fan of mob movies and GTA to the point that it's been my identity for years but not gonna lie, it's still a struggle to give up unholy media completely.
@@harajukuposer yeah that’s sad. I came to a point where I was willing to give up anything that love if it is Gods desire or if it will bring me closer to God. I burned a lot of movies and records that I absolutely loved and have loved since I was a kid, but I knew that it has spirits attached to them that were not welcome in my home.
Today, people want to say they love God with words but not with their lifestyle. They use “Christian liberties” as justification for the movies and music they consume ignoring the fact that everything has consequences.
But until people reach that level of spiritual maturity, people like us are just ultra-religious, superstitious, or whatever word they want to refer to a lifestyle that they don’t understand. Let’s just pray for them, don’t argue with any of them.
Quran, yes definitely. It helps you to have conversations with muslims.
Harry Potter, no definitely not! For all the reasons already mentioned.
Oh yes another fiction book
I didn't want the movie or Read the books because it's about open witchcraft however sometimes people need to learn for themselves
So, the person who hasn’t read or watched any part of it is making an absolute statement about it? You’re like the dude that’s never tried pizza and says it’s gross.
And you have the right to choose that
Alphonso, how can you say so?
It's about good overcoming evil, the magic is just a motif to tell the story and make it interesting ! I grew up with Harry Potter and still love it to this day and still fully believe and have faith in Our lord and savior
@@Bornagain7202 Find my comment somewhere in this mess. lol I give a few examples of christianity in the story.
Harry Potter uses actual spells in it that people that practice witchcraft use. Hard pass.
Witchcraft isn’t even real
@@revelation8199Lol. People from the Caribbean and Africa will disagree
@@djidjine5082 people from medieval Europe would disagree as well, what’s your point?
They're not ready for that conversation.
@@revelation8199why does the Bible warn against it if its not real?
I've witnessed that it opens curiosity for a very real world of the occult especially for kids/early teens. The problem is that most of these comments are dismissive of the negative impacts as long as they are entertained. It's posssible that this is a "permissable, but not beneficial" scenario. Just because there are stories about death does not make it automatically ok and a gospel parallel.
Respectfully, there is no such thing as “good magic” it’s all an abomination to God.
Wrong. The modern definition of magic just means supernatural. So is it an abomination to God when a saint levitates? Or when a saint heals someone ect
@@K.P.LEE4 God doesn’t work magic, He is a supernatural God, works miracles and everything He does is holy. There’s a fine line between miracles and magic. Satan gives people the knowledge of magic because he tries to imitate everything God does. Acts 19:19 “and a number of those who had practiced magic arts brought their books together and burned them in the sight of all. And they counted the value of them and found it came to fifty thousand pieces of silver.”
Fantasy!!! Harry Potter is not real - neither is this life therefore I find it to be fitting. Harry Potter is only for entertainment purposes - stick to reality - humans are way better then worrying about a pen and ink story. Can we talk about Peter Pan if we are going this route?
He may as well, he opened a can of worms, lol
Well stories are important to discuss though like it’s a form of communication and impacts the culture. Like I may not agree with people who are on the bent of Harry Potter being evil, but it’s certainly a worth while discussion. Admittedly I’m not sure what specifically you have in mind bringing up Peter Pan but like why not discuss Peter Pan?
@itspikachutime5624 I bring Peter Pan up as a topic because there are people who, like the Harry Potter series, like to talk about it being evil and no self proclaimed Christ centered channel cares enough to make a video about those because of so called impact on culture. Funny actually, because Harry Potter was born from the very same place that we get Peter Pan and Alice in Wonderland which are stories that have common subject matters How is Harry Potter more important than those stories, exactly? Witchcraft and wizardry are not as obvious nowadays- there is no more beheading of such people so how is a self proclaimed Christ channel talking of HP because of the Witchcraft? Who cares? We are past the period of wizardry/Witchcraft and talking about Harry Potter because of it is bringing witchcraft back into the focus of society, something that humans are physically past. If a Christ centered video wants to address a
specific literary book, don't allow one topic regarding it be the sole reason to make the video. A lot of people watch other fantasy then Harry Potter movies.
Bro kids get influenced by these things. it’s bad for them to read it. Unless they’re doing paper on who harry potter is all they’re gonna think is magic is cool and believe in fairy tales
this comments section is ridiculous, cant enjoy harry potter... cant enjoy lord of the rings? cant enjoy star wars? cant enjoy wheel of time? or 90 percent of literature or media? lol.... unbelievable
The satanic bible also has literary symbolism and narrations.
But what are the symbols in Harry Potter pointing to? Jesus Christ.
We can watch anything but its not profitable. Any good thing that Harry Potter has in it can be found in other series or in real life. I grew up loving Harry Potter and still have fondness for certain aspects of the series but i understand that its saturated eith something 4hat God hates abd i avoid it now.
I like this because if your anime fan thesse videos answers the same question in a way. I feel like some christains job 9n the demonic train to fast
I disagree about greek mythology!
I got a good video on this .. I think it’s deeper the whole story is plagiarized. Ghost writers
This was a disappointing conclusion….
Nope, dont agree witht this sorry. In regards to Harry P. Why make your child enjoy a book full of satanic things like Magic (yes I said it) and wichcraft ? Why invite these things into his their minds when it can be avoided.
What in Harry Potter is satanic? Is it satanic when Harry Potter sacrifices himself to save his friends from the dark lord LOL
I watch movies because its a spriritual battle just like what us christians do harry potter vs voldemort like us vs demons/devil harry has to fight against voldemort in his head thats how i watch it i dont agree with the witchcraft though but look deeper into the bigger message i wouldnt show my kids but it helps me in spiritual battle aswell as thr bible does aswell
So many of the Catholic exorcists have claimed that the curses in Harry Potter is real curses. Check chanel Armor of God.
Lost the plot
Bald, Bearded and UN Biblical, lol
Yes absolutely! Aside from gaining heaps of money to the stars and producers,out of this movie its obvious if Christians cannot detect how this movie is filmed in a double purpose 😮😮😢by promoting the evil of this demonic witchcraft.Its not hard for them to create this movie because they themselves are practicing it. Besides as a Christian I don't patronise this.curse movies .
Maam, the real story is about christianity.......
Hogwarts school of witchcraft 😂😂 nah I’m good on that one my children can read better books that don’t associate with the demonic realm of witchcraft 👍 protect ur children’s eye gates and ear gates my friends the demonic realm ain’t nuthin to joke around with!
Christians took a huge L in the 2000s saying this stuff about Harry Potter. There are so many little Christian themes sprinkled through the story, it could have been such a great springboard for the gospel message. Instead we looked like crazy people calling it "witchcraft" and let the "new atheists" dominate the conversation during that time.
I watch Harry Potter and see a bunch of kids addicted magic. Like so addicted they they can't even make a sandwich without using magic.
😦?
This is stupid
So basically since the spells arent real in the movie its okay for Christians to watch? Because it has good lessons in it or whatever..... You do realize this makes witchcraft look okay to children? Watch it if you want but i wont be. Just doesn't FEEL right to me personally.
I don’t let my kids watch sorcery and witch craft, but when I do it’s Narnia because it’s in the Christian section.
I don't even let my kids see Narnia. That's like labeling cornography "Christian" and saying that it's okay to watch.
@@Sk8Evangelist bro your using brain dead fundamentalist logic comparing Narnia to pornography LOL. C. S. Lewis is the only good Protestant writer. He’s the only guy you guys got lol.
I want to one day be a CEO of a major amusement park/theme park company or my own company for that matter as a Christian college student finishing Mechanical Engineering and Theme Park and Attraction Management, I believe that was the vision God gave me as a desire of my heart that I lift up to Him. Ever since, I love theme parks, rides, experiences, roller coasters, and all that, as much I would love to be the next CEO of an amusement park brand, kind of similar to the next Walt Disney, if the Bible says that witchcraft is evil, how did a theme park attraction like the Wizarding World of Harry Potter at Universal Studios, developed by Universal Creative, became super successful when it opened to guests and it never failed, and has caused Universal to defeat Disney in their ego for many years in creating immersive experiences, and HP Paris will be one of the lands at Universal’s new theme park, Epic Universe opening in 2025, for the sake of that park being the new king of theme parks trying to take down Disney. Was it only for the sake of being deceived and making money just for the sake of gaining the whole world and losing your soul to the Devil and as a result the amusement park industry is turning people away from God, or was there room for God in the series and in the creations of the attractions themselves to where the witches that were persecuted and judged in the Old Testament for their sins including the witch of Endor, were not the same wizards that had magic wands and tried to do spells just for the sake of trying to save the world from evil for good or turn things into different things with wands, which makes the witchcraft that is the controversy operate completely different and imaginable from what the word actually means and what the consequences of using it are in real life are in the Word of God, versus what does not exist like what Hogwarts or JK Rowling’s world was, therefore, making the land innocent, magical, and interactive. To where good wins over evil, and love and friendship and courage win over oppression, tyranny, hate, and mockery and even in the last movie, the Deathly Hallows part 2, where Harry picked life over death and then it it now known JK Rowling professed herself to be a Christian even though she is not perfect in her relationship with God, but now, for who she is, she has gone into prison for being a good person standing up to wokeness in Hollywood? I’m asking this question as a Christian who not just loves the fantasy genre in general, but most importantly, wants to create a magical, memorable amusement park experience with thrills where the parents and the children can have fun together without having to worry about the issues of the real world where a line can be crossed between good and evil?