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Interesting stand. Sadly the lowest height need to come down to 23 inches if it's gonna be usable for having free space enough for most Piano style 88 keys to be able to roll in and out under a standard desk height which is around 75 cm from the floor to under the desk or 28.85 inches. you need roughly 15cm or a tad under 6 inch to fit an average Piano under the desk. But no doubt it can take the weight of any 88 keybed, which is rarely the case of those drawers they put on some Desks for having a detractable keyboard under the desk
@@mrdali67 Appreciate this feedback. We considered this when designing it. We have another stand on wheels that goes down to 23.75 inches so we decided to keep the min height of this stand a bit taller so it would also work for standing players that are taller. We considered using smaller wheels on this but decided to go with the larger wheels so it holds up better for gigging.
@@liquidstands Thanks for the answer ❤What is that other stand ? I am actually looking for something like this that will fit my Korg Kronos 2 73 under my Desk at home and be on wheels. Are your standsbeing sold in the EU ?
@@mrdali67 Hey there (way late to this, sorry!). Our other stand is the MS1080. It is a Z Stand with smaller wheels and our most popular stand. Currently we are selling into the EU from our website or from Amazon US.
the nuts on the casters are for level adjustment. if it's on carpet, it wouldn't make any difference. but if it's on a hard surface, you would just screw them in until you can still access the nut, then tighten the nut against the frame when you have all 4 leveled.
Thanks you so much for this review. I picked one up based on your recommendatio, and I could not be more happy with it. Im impressed with the quality of this and how simple it was to set up.
I love my Liquid Stands Z stand. I have my Hydrasynth Deluxe, Osmose, and Jupiter Xm on it. I've added 2 of the "second tier" kits, leg extensions, and casters. Good stuff and very stable. I love the locking casters (smaller ones on the Z stand) - makes it super easy to move stuff around in my combo office / studio. The Z stand is both height- and width- adjustable so that's really cool. High quality construction, good design, and yours for a reasonable price. 😎
I picked one up based on your review, and I'm ridiculously impressed with it. Fits a whole lot of desktop synths (I got the tabletop and the monitor stands as well). The monitor stands are strong enough to take an MPC beating without moving. Very versatile and I'm hoping to see some accessories (like cable management) for it in the future!
Hell yea! 😀Excited to hear you're digging it. We're really proud of those monitor stands and keep hearing how "over engineered" they are (in a good way). We are working on 2 cable management options now: An adjustable cable tray that can clamp on or attach directly to the gold rivnuts on this unit and also a power strip clamp that can clamp vertically or horizontally and rotate 350 degrees - still need a couple months but they will be available soon. Hit us up with any questions or suggestions on what you need.
@@liquidstands awesome! I'm trying to figure out how to implement it, but maybe some type of cable channeling that can clamp on or screw into the rivnuts as well. Making those cable clean enough for Kraftwerk is always a losing battle in my studio, and any weapon to help in the fight would be infinitely useful!
@@jumpontheroof We feel you on this also. We have not designed a cable sleeve yet as we felt there was not much value we could add based on current market designs but I took this down on our idea list to review. Appreciate the feedback!
Liquid makes great stands. I bought a 2-tier X-stand for my Fantom 6 and Prophet 08 and I was very content that the stand would hold. So many X stands are offshore garbage and unsuitable for high end synths. Like you, I thought the instructions could use improvement. Luckily I didn’t have any cracked plastic.
Good review Scott. Looks solid. Having to pull out all four stops at the same time seems a bit unusual. Congrats on getting your first free item to review.
We hear you on this. We played around with adjusting the height at the office and it can be done with 1 person and takes 2-3 minutes. The assumption on this stand is most customers will set the height one time and rarely change it. Our other option is to use a lever (or two) to crank the height but we thought the added cost to do that would be significant. We hear this feedback though!
I have the z stand and it’s great. I was able to fit a computer keyboard tray to the posts that first almost perfect. I also ran into one of the engineers on Reddit and he was really kind to work with me in determining if it would fit. I think they are thinking about adding their own computer keyboard accessory. Anyway, seems like a good company.
That was me on Reddit :) We're working on the CAD design for the keyboard tray right now actually. I know it seems like forever but we should have that rolled out by Q4 of this year.
Hi Scott, I appreciate your videos (I was able to do a repair on a Juno 106). Sometimes a tappet wrench, which is slimmer than standard wrenches will work in tight spaces. I prefer table types of stands for the lowest keyboard of my stack. I prefer something wide enough to accommodate an 88 key instrument (without wobble) plus clearance for a pedalboard on floor level. I suspect your model has a provision for attaching upper tier(s) that reach from the rear to overhead. These would also need to be wide enough, plus hopefully able to adjust tilt. Another consideration is that these units do not seem to be the most practical for road gigs due to the lack of easy partial disassembly or folding up.
Hi, Scott! Great video. I stumbled upon it as I was doing research for a stand and found it super helpful. I now have other questions for you about synths, if you have the time! I work with school show choirs and we use stage pianos for our show bands. In the past, I have used Roland RD 800s and 700s. I like those models because they feel solid, work with our sound systems, and have the capability to run through computers, if we so choose. That said, I'm having a hard time finding decent models for sale online. Is there something else you would recommend that is reasonably priced (preferably below 1,300, if possible)? Does that make sense?
K&M is my go-to company. They’re pricier than the competition but built like tanks and nothing wobbles. I have multiple 3-tier units. All of my stands but the first one I bought, a z-shaped base from Pro-Line that my workstation synth sits on, are from K&M.
Who cares what people say????? Why would you entertain that? Hope ever you get your gear is a wonderful thing. Even if it’s free. You have a great channel so they are jealous and trolling you.
I operate three TH-cam channels, and have done for many years, I'm pretty well acquainted with the trolls, and how to deal with them. :) I just know that this particular topic is a hot button issue for some reason for synth people, and figured I would address it right off the bat.
I saw your video on the second tier for this stand last night, so I watched this video today. I'm also looking at the Liquid Sounds website. I'm hoping before the end of the year that I'll be able to upgrade my ancient keyboard to a new Korg PA5X-88, which is 48" wide. I'd like to add a second tier for my old 61-key keyboard or a 76-key keyboard. But, I also want to be able to add a set of speaker stands that L.S. offers. That won't work with this stand. What I really would like to see is to take the three crossbars, parts 'E', 'F', and 'G' split into two distinct parts each, and then another bar, drilled with holes like the height adjustment bars, so that I could connect but adjust the width of the stand. According to the website, this has a width of 35.5", and ideally, I'd like to see it expand out to 60". This would allow room for the PA5X-88, which probably would be sitting on a sheet of wood, and would give me 6" on either side for mouse, or whatever. On top of the second-tier rack, set up the same way, I'd be able to put a 61 or 76-key keyboard plus their two speaker stands, holding a KRK Rokit 5 or 7 set of speakers. Finally, I'd like to see a clamp on mount for a small mixer that could be put on one side at the end of the stand, maybe 18" x 18". Based on current pricing on their website, I would envision a total setup like that for $600 or so, which is a lot less than the Gibraltar DBKT88 stand, with more options. If you're still in contact with the company, maybe you can suggest that to them.
very nice V1.0 i could use one of those in my home studio with the second tier attachement, the lack of padding for the bottom of a synth on it is a BIG omision, even if you use as a table they could've just added the pads as user stick ons, you were too kind, the instructions sucked, i think it could use some improvements but as is, there's nothing like it, they need to step up their marketing game, the idea is great and the sturdiness ia a big feature.
Thanks for the feedback. We will be adding Anti Skid padding to these. We have them on our other products. We're working on the instructions - we get a lot of compliments on our instructions for other items and take pride in them. This item is the most complex we've done to date so making the instructions clear was a tough one. We're also working on our marketing but we prefer to invest out of our budget into quality and design to keep the prices low. Google us and reach out any time with feedback!
Looks like a nice stand. I’ll have to see what other type stands they make. Speaking of stands, I thought earlier to ask you what 3 tier stand you’re using for your Montage, Summit and System-8. This video reminded me to ask. :)
Just give us a quick google :) We have X Stands, Z Stands, 2nd Tiers and a couple other cool items and working on a ton of new ones. That 3 tier that is a KS7903 by Onstage I believe :) EDIT: 3 tier*
@@liquidstands Correct - but it's heavily modified. I added a third tier, but cut down the arms to lower it, and replaced the feet with my own, extended feet, because the stock feet from Onstage weren't long enough and it was a bit tippy.
Just bought and built a Chinese copy of this stand. How is it they can engineer something and not make mistakes like supplying a wrench that is too thick and package it well enough that parts don't break! Oh and stripped threads? American quality? Where are those workers from?
It shouldn't, you have just over 18 inches from the bottom bar to the front of the stand. This should not be an issue at all - but if it is, we have full warranties so you're covered on returns :)
We're on it, we heard the feedback and this and will get that fixed. Also making our manuals more clear and just now wrapping up some video manuals to make the assembly even easier.
@@elbandito5411 Definitely not. There is no such synth - which is why so many are made, they all have different engines in them that produce different sounds in different ways.
@@Arthur-hg7ny that's great. I just don't understand why you would watch this video and comment like that. The Jaspers stands are only an alternative to Ultimate Support stuff, there is literally no comparison to this stand. it's a completely irrelevant observation that just sounds really really grumpy and negative.
@@suitandtieguy You don’t have to understand. It’s a simple statement. No need to read into it and make it into something it’s not. It’s not a “grumpy” or “negative”“ comment. Just a statement. I highly respect and support Scott’s channel.
Jaspers stands are good - love them actually! Their distribution in the US is pretty limited though, Our stand in the video (MS1111) could be somewhat compared to the 1R-120S from Jaspers but we wanted to make sure our price point was lower (currently 83 USD lower). There is also some difference is sizing compatibility, material and warranties. I think the best solution is to get one of each ;)
I hate this stand lol. I bought one and the instructions are terrible for idiots like me without basic hand eye coordination. I just threw mine on a shelf and will do it next year after new years. The parts are good quality from the feel of it. But it’s god awful putting this together. Maybe I should just sell a synth instead so I don’t need to use it.
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Interesting stand. Sadly the lowest height need to come down to 23 inches if it's gonna be usable for having free space enough for most Piano style 88 keys to be able to roll in and out under a standard desk height which is around 75 cm from the floor to under the desk or 28.85 inches. you need roughly 15cm or a tad under 6 inch to fit an average Piano under the desk. But no doubt it can take the weight of any 88 keybed, which is rarely the case of those drawers they put on some Desks for having a detractable keyboard under the desk
Spin a threaded jam nut on casters threaded mounting bolt. This will space the snug spot with enough room for wrench.
@@mrdali67 Appreciate this feedback. We considered this when designing it. We have another stand on wheels that goes down to 23.75 inches so we decided to keep the min height of this stand a bit taller so it would also work for standing players that are taller. We considered using smaller wheels on this but decided to go with the larger wheels so it holds up better for gigging.
@@liquidstands Thanks for the answer ❤What is that other stand ? I am actually looking for something like this that will fit my Korg Kronos 2 73 under my Desk at home and be on wheels. Are your standsbeing sold in the EU ?
@@mrdali67 Hey there (way late to this, sorry!). Our other stand is the MS1080. It is a Z Stand with smaller wheels and our most popular stand. Currently we are selling into the EU from our website or from Amazon US.
- Nothing wrong with getting free synths.
- Looks like a good stand. Nice that you can roll it around and that you have a place to hang headphones.
the nuts on the casters are for level adjustment. if it's on carpet, it wouldn't make any difference. but if it's on a hard surface, you would just screw them in until you can still access the nut, then tighten the nut against the frame when you have all 4 leveled.
Thanks you so much for this review. I picked one up based on your recommendatio, and I could not be more happy with it. Im impressed with the quality of this and how simple it was to set up.
I just bought this stand a few months ago for my 78 Fender Rhodes and I love it.
Appreciate the business but we only launched this 13 days ago so not sure how you snagged one before that. Are you from the future? ;)
I love my Liquid Stands Z stand. I have my Hydrasynth Deluxe, Osmose, and Jupiter Xm on it. I've added 2 of the "second tier" kits, leg extensions, and casters. Good stuff and very stable. I love the locking casters (smaller ones on the Z stand) - makes it super easy to move stuff around in my combo office / studio. The Z stand is both height- and width- adjustable so that's really cool. High quality construction, good design, and yours for a reasonable price. 😎
Great to hear! We're trying our best and will keeping rolling out cool new products (that don't break the bank)!
Thanks for taking time to make this!!
I picked one up based on your review, and I'm ridiculously impressed with it. Fits a whole lot of desktop synths (I got the tabletop and the monitor stands as well). The monitor stands are strong enough to take an MPC beating without moving. Very versatile and I'm hoping to see some accessories (like cable management) for it in the future!
Hell yea! 😀Excited to hear you're digging it. We're really proud of those monitor stands and keep hearing how "over engineered" they are (in a good way). We are working on 2 cable management options now: An adjustable cable tray that can clamp on or attach directly to the gold rivnuts on this unit and also a power strip clamp that can clamp vertically or horizontally and rotate 350 degrees - still need a couple months but they will be available soon. Hit us up with any questions or suggestions on what you need.
@@liquidstands awesome! I'm trying to figure out how to implement it, but maybe some type of cable channeling that can clamp on or screw into the rivnuts as well. Making those cable clean enough for Kraftwerk is always a losing battle in my studio, and any weapon to help in the fight would be infinitely useful!
@@jumpontheroof We feel you on this also. We have not designed a cable sleeve yet as we felt there was not much value we could add based on current market designs but I took this down on our idea list to review. Appreciate the feedback!
Like the t-shirt!
Liquid makes great stands. I bought a 2-tier X-stand for my Fantom 6 and Prophet 08 and I was very content that the stand would hold. So many X stands are offshore garbage and unsuitable for high end synths. Like you, I thought the instructions could use improvement. Luckily I didn’t have any cracked plastic.
Good review Scott. Looks solid. Having to pull out all four stops at the same time seems a bit unusual. Congrats on getting your first free item to review.
We hear you on this. We played around with adjusting the height at the office and it can be done with 1 person and takes 2-3 minutes. The assumption on this stand is most customers will set the height one time and rarely change it. Our other option is to use a lever (or two) to crank the height but we thought the added cost to do that would be significant. We hear this feedback though!
I have the z stand and it’s great. I was able to fit a computer keyboard tray to the posts that first almost perfect. I also ran into one of the engineers on Reddit and he was really kind to work with me in determining if it would fit. I think they are thinking about adding their own computer keyboard accessory. Anyway, seems like a good company.
That was me on Reddit :) We're working on the CAD design for the keyboard tray right now actually. I know it seems like forever but we should have that rolled out by Q4 of this year.
Wow looks useful, mobile and heavy duty
Hi Scott, I appreciate your videos (I was able to do a repair on a Juno 106). Sometimes a tappet wrench, which is slimmer than standard wrenches will work in tight spaces. I prefer table types of stands for the lowest keyboard of my stack. I prefer something wide enough to accommodate an 88 key instrument (without wobble) plus clearance for a pedalboard on floor level.
I suspect your model has a provision for attaching upper tier(s) that reach from the rear to overhead. These would also need to be wide enough, plus hopefully able to adjust tilt. Another consideration is that these units do not seem to be the most practical for road gigs due to the lack of easy partial disassembly or folding up.
It does have a (highly adjustable) second tier available, I did a second video showing it here: th-cam.com/video/5Wl6koPpdsM/w-d-xo.html
Hi, Scott! Great video. I stumbled upon it as I was doing research for a stand and found it super helpful. I now have other questions for you about synths, if you have the time!
I work with school show choirs and we use stage pianos for our show bands. In the past, I have used Roland RD 800s and 700s. I like those models because they feel solid, work with our sound systems, and have the capability to run through computers, if we so choose. That said, I'm having a hard time finding decent models for sale online. Is there something else you would recommend that is reasonably priced (preferably below 1,300, if possible)? Does that make sense?
Have a good look at the Yamaha CK-88. It's right at that price point, and it is an EXCELLENT stage piano.
If you spin the stand onto one side, you can adjust the height one side at a time.
The König & Meyer (Baby) Spider Pro is great ❤❤❤
K&M is my go-to company. They’re pricier than the competition but built like tanks and nothing wobbles. I have multiple 3-tier units. All of my stands but the first one I bought, a z-shaped base from Pro-Line that my workstation synth sits on, are from K&M.
Who cares what people say????? Why would you entertain that? Hope ever you get your gear is a wonderful thing. Even if it’s free. You have a great channel so they are jealous and trolling you.
I operate three TH-cam channels, and have done for many years, I'm pretty well acquainted with the trolls, and how to deal with them. :) I just know that this particular topic is a hot button issue for some reason for synth people, and figured I would address it right off the bat.
I saw your video on the second tier for this stand last night, so I watched this video today. I'm also looking at the Liquid Sounds website. I'm hoping before the end of the year that I'll be able to upgrade my ancient keyboard to a new Korg PA5X-88, which is 48" wide. I'd like to add a second tier for my old 61-key keyboard or a 76-key keyboard. But, I also want to be able to add a set of speaker stands that L.S. offers. That won't work with this stand.
What I really would like to see is to take the three crossbars, parts 'E', 'F', and 'G' split into two distinct parts each, and then another bar, drilled with holes like the height adjustment bars, so that I could connect but adjust the width of the stand. According to the website, this has a width of 35.5", and ideally, I'd like to see it expand out to 60". This would allow room for the PA5X-88, which probably would be sitting on a sheet of wood, and would give me 6" on either side for mouse, or whatever. On top of the second-tier rack, set up the same way, I'd be able to put a 61 or 76-key keyboard plus their two speaker stands, holding a KRK Rokit 5 or 7 set of speakers. Finally, I'd like to see a clamp on mount for a small mixer that could be put on one side at the end of the stand, maybe 18" x 18".
Based on current pricing on their website, I would envision a total setup like that for $600 or so, which is a lot less than the Gibraltar DBKT88 stand, with more options.
If you're still in contact with the company, maybe you can suggest that to them.
thinking of one for my x32. think it would fit?
100%. I measured my X32 and the stand, and it would fit on it perfectly, with or without a tabletop added.
very nice V1.0 i could use one of those in my home studio with the second tier attachement, the lack of padding for the bottom of a synth on it is a BIG omision, even if you use as a table they could've just added the pads as user stick ons, you were too kind, the instructions sucked, i think it could use some improvements but as is, there's nothing like it, they need to step up their marketing game, the idea is great and the sturdiness ia a big feature.
Thanks for the feedback. We will be adding Anti Skid padding to these. We have them on our other products. We're working on the instructions - we get a lot of compliments on our instructions for other items and take pride in them. This item is the most complex we've done to date so making the instructions clear was a tough one. We're also working on our marketing but we prefer to invest out of our budget into quality and design to keep the prices low. Google us and reach out any time with feedback!
Looks like a nice stand. I’ll have to see what other type stands they make.
Speaking of stands, I thought earlier to ask you what 3 tier stand you’re using for your Montage, Summit and System-8. This video reminded me to ask. :)
Just give us a quick google :) We have X Stands, Z Stands, 2nd Tiers and a couple other cool items and working on a ton of new ones. That 3 tier that is a KS7903 by Onstage I believe :)
EDIT: 3 tier*
@@liquidstands Correct - but it's heavily modified. I added a third tier, but cut down the arms to lower it, and replaced the feet with my own, extended feet, because the stock feet from Onstage weren't long enough and it was a bit tippy.
Knipex solves all problems.
Love my Knipex tools!! But for reviews like this I try to use just the tools included with the kit for assembly.
Just bought and built a Chinese copy of this stand. How is it they can engineer something and not make mistakes like supplying a wrench that is too thick and package it well enough that parts don't break! Oh and stripped threads? American quality? Where are those workers from?
hi scott when u mention anti slip pads any reccomentions from the uk on amazon on somthing thx so can buy somthing what will work on the ms1111 stand
Looks like it could hit your legs. Any feedback on this? I’m 6’2”
It shouldn't, you have just over 18 inches from the bottom bar to the front of the stand. This should not be an issue at all - but if it is, we have full warranties so you're covered on returns :)
fyi, many of those freebees have to be shipped back after a month or so..
This isn’t always true!
If you buy it from us, ship it back after 3,649 days if you want and we will cover the cost since that's how long our warranty lasts ;)
already bought one! @@liquidstands
Could liquid stands label the pieces at the least with stickers?
We're on it, we heard the feedback and this and will get that fixed. Also making our manuals more clear and just now wrapping up some video manuals to make the assembly even easier.
@@liquidstands are folks able to call you to see what kind of set up they want and how your modules can work it?
One question: why do you own so many keyboards? I want to get one but im noticing many people with multiple keyboards. Is one not enough?
They all do different things in different ways, and can produce sounds specific to themselves, for the most part.
@@ScottsSynthStuff so there isn't one or two that has all of the sounds?
@@elbandito5411 Definitely not. There is no such synth - which is why so many are made, they all have different engines in them that produce different sounds in different ways.
@@ScottsSynthStuff So I guess you need about $100,000.00 so you can have 20 to 30 keyboards to have almost all of the sounds.
I’ll stick to my Jaspers from Thomann.
That's cool if you like a-frames and live in Europe.
@@suitandtieguy I’ve had three delivered to me in the US and service was outstanding. Received them within a week.
@@Arthur-hg7ny that's great. I just don't understand why you would watch this video and comment like that. The Jaspers stands are only an alternative to Ultimate Support stuff, there is literally no comparison to this stand. it's a completely irrelevant observation that just sounds really really grumpy and negative.
@@suitandtieguy You don’t have to understand. It’s a simple statement. No need to read into it and make it into something it’s not. It’s not a “grumpy” or “negative”“ comment. Just a statement. I highly respect and support Scott’s channel.
Jaspers stands are good - love them actually! Their distribution in the US is pretty limited though, Our stand in the video (MS1111) could be somewhat compared to the 1R-120S from Jaspers but we wanted to make sure our price point was lower (currently 83 USD lower). There is also some difference is sizing compatibility, material and warranties. I think the best solution is to get one of each ;)
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I hate this stand lol. I bought one and the instructions are terrible for idiots like me without basic hand eye coordination. I just threw mine on a shelf and will do it next year after new years. The parts are good quality from the feel of it. But it’s god awful putting this together. Maybe I should just sell a synth instead so I don’t need to use it.