Seems like if you are willing to buy and use older EF used lenses, its like half the price (or even less) to fill the gap for now with just EF. Don't think I care about the control rings or "speed updates" that much. Yes, the IS will influence some of the decision process.
I bought the RF 600mm f4 and the RF 1.4 teleconverter because that combination is my daily driver. I traded in my 600mm f4 version II because I ain't getting any younger and losing 2 lbs of weight to lug around was part of the consideration. But after watching your video as well as several others (except for a couple of total Canon Fan Boys) I have decided that I am in no big hurry to get rid of any of my EF mount L series glass. It should still serve me well.
I have both. EF 50 1.8, EFS 10-18mm, EF 75-300mm, Vivitar 19-35mm. RF 24-105mm, 100-400mm. I have also rented several more expensive lenses for Milky Way pics and bird photos. I will keep the EF(S). The 50 for portrait and macro (with extension tube), 10-18, 19-35 for star trails. Forgot my EF 28-80mm, a very sharp lens, @ 50mm maybe the sharpest of all. Bodies--RP, 77D, rebel and Elan 7. Wish they made todays bodies like the Elan 7. thanks, very interesting thread below.
I have 6 lenses. My autofocus EF lenses are 50mm f/1.8, 75-300 f/4-5.6 telephoto and Tamron 24-70 f/2.8. I have a 24mm f/2.8 EF-S. I also have 2 EF-M lenses. The TTArtisan 35mm f/1.4 and the Kamlan 50mm f/1.1. My newest camera is the M6 mark II. I have a 2x teleconverter, a viltrox ef or efs to efm adaptor and a viltrox ef to efm speedbooster. I still have my SL2 and EOS-M cameras. It's like a museum for dead canon digital gear here. I am turning 60 this year and I don't think I need anything else.
Thanks for clearing my doubts on upgrading my dslr or buying a mirrorless. RF is the future, so will go for mirrorless. I will also definitely keep my EF lenses and won't sell them.
I keep my 5DmkIV and my collection of good L and non-L lenses. I have recently bought a R5 on a discount and a RF24-70 F/2.8 IS USM as a supplement. Planning to keep that configuration for a couple of years to come
I love my EF glass. I own most of the classics. I still have a camera that uses them. I love my R5 and adapt all my EF Lenses. Moving forward I’ll fill in the gaps with RF. I bought 800, 600, and 28-70. The 28-70 is my fave lens.
The only RF lens that I purchased was the 600mm f4 because that is my daily driver so to speak. I have used my 500mm f4 on my R5 with the basic converter and it works like a charm. Same with my 16 to 35 mm lens. So I will keep my EF lenses until they fail. The only RF lens I might consider is if Canon comes out with a 300 2.8 to 500 f4 zoom and then I might trade my 300 f2.8 ef and 500 f4 ef in and go for that level of zoom.
As a Sony shooter who has been using adapted EF lenses for his whole time on Sony, please sell and upgrade. The EF L series is amazing across both brands and I'd love to grab some more lenses for a good price lol
If the ef lenses work flawlessly with the adapter and they are a fraction of the price of RF it makes sense to buy EF unless you come across either a great deal on the RF glass or there is not an EF lens available to fill the role of a new RF (maybe some new zoom range and f-value not available in ef).
Just starting with a new Canon R camera. Got one lens for it so far, 50mm 1.8. That's it. Will get an adapter to use with my EF lenses. Will likely upgrade slowly to RF as time goes on.
I'm approaching 50 and started photography a few years ago with an 80D & Tamron 150-600mm G2. I could have switched to mirrorless but instead spent my savings on a very nice used 1Dx Mk iii & 500mm f4 L IS USM. As an amateur I hope that this kit will serve me well for many years to come...
I jumped onto RF a year and a half ago with the R7. The M50 was what I ran before that, but its still in my bag. So legacy DSLR lenses isn't a concern to me, but EF still makes up most of what I own and purchase. Why? Budget. The EF 70-200 2.8L non-IS is my only L lense and I got for $700(can) used. Even a used RF equivilant is more than 2x here. My only RF glass in my kit is the 10-18 kit that i got for my Cuba trip. I'm looking at EF 24-70 f2.8 right now, be it Canon or Sigma. Along with an R6mkII.
@GermanOsorio I did a video where I included my shots along with my video clips. All my shots were off my RF 10-18, Sigma 18-35 f1.8, and Sigma 18-300 f3.5-5.6, where most of my video was off my DJI Osmo Action4 and Pocket3.
Great discussion Hayward I’m in the camp that if you have good EF glass you might as well stay the gap when it comes to quality is not very big if any at all. However if there is a focal length you need and don’t have I’d look at RF as long as the budget allows for it.
Thanks Lee! I'm STILL not happy about not being able to use a new focal length with my DSLR though! Not planning to get rid of that for some time... grrr... LOL
I think it's also worth considering price. You can get good EF L lenses used where the RF lenses are new enough that there isn't the same used market, and the price on the older EF L lenses can be up to half of the cost of a new RF equivalent. So for the hobbyist or someone just starting out, the EF lenses on a mirrorless body will make some financial sense. I think the biggest advantage I've seen for RF lenses is for video and fast action uses. If you're a professional sports photographer or cinematographer, then RF lenses are going to be worth the investment.
I am a Fujifilm GFX 100ii shooter and the EF lenses will be my pick. I may try a Canon Camera just becuase of that. I just don't know which top of the lne EF Canon Camera to buy.
Hi there...I just finished watching your RF vs EF lens video and while I realize the video is not recent, I am facing a bit of a dilemma as I need to replace my EF 70-200 f/2.8 USM I lens...yep it’s 20 yrs old and autofocus has become an issue...I had it serviced, but the results are not great on my R5MKII and my R3...I still have my 5D MKIII and my 7D MKII...the 70-200 was my goto lens in the past for travel, but since I had my 100-400 4-5.6 IS USM II, I have been using that one with the 70-200 and extender as a backup if things went bad...I always travel with 2 bodies and at least 1 long lens with the backup being the 70-200 extender combo...obviously R5MKII and R3 will accompany me on my next wildlife photo trip, and I was thinking of replacing the 70-200 with the RF 200 f/2.8, but I just found out that I can’t put the RF extender on the that lens...so to get another long zoom lens I was looking at the RF 100-500, but that gives me 2 lens with pretty much the same range...watching your video, goth me to think that I could get the latest version of the EF 70-200 F2.8 III...it would give me a fast lens that I could still use on my 5D MKIII and 7D MKII...and I could use the EF extender to give me the backup range I need when I travel...do you have any comment on such a scenario.
It’s all about what trade offs matter most. If you have the latest gen EF, the image quality will be pretty darn good at much lower price. It won’t equal RF glass on the RF cams, but it would be the best you could do and still have EF for the other bodies. It’s probably the best compromise without selling all EF and going RF. I don’t shoot long lens like that so I’ll be honest that’s not an issue I’ve tried to tackle. Thanks for watching and good luck!
@@CoffeeandPhotographyTalk Thanks for your quick reply…if I could put the extender on the RF it would have been a no brainer…I’m thinking more the range of lens and having a backup to my EF 100-400 if it goes bad…I’m extremely satisfied with my EF 100-400 R3 and R5MKII COMBO…so I don’t think I would be compromising image quality with the 3rd version…the side benefit would be the fit on DSLR bodies…again thx
I still use DSLR Canon cameras but I plan to move to the R6 or R5 in the next couple of years. Right now I have EF telephoto lenses and EF-S lenses for wide angle and as universal zoom. After moving to mirrorless cameras I will replace the EF-S lenses with RF lenses.
Some of the EF lenses are a great value right now. I recently picked up a Canon RP which brought me into both the full frame and mirrorless world. I've always wanted a fast 85mm portrait lens. The EF L 85mm lenses are so much cheaper than RF (I got the 85mm 1.4L IS lens for $999 on the Canon refurb store and the f/1.2 can be found at a similar price). So while the RF 85mm f/1.2L is no doubt amazing, I can't justify the price over it's EF contemporaries.
I'm moving backward with gear. My next lens will be 50 years old. I'm a hobbyist. Paying 2 to 3 thousand for a lens is ubsurd in my case. I've got some nice Zeiss classic lenses for EF. Perhaps in 20 years, RF glass will be more reasonably priced.
Hi. How the image stabilization working with adapter? I got R8 and it has no IBIS, so adding adapter and an EF lens with image stabilization would work ok?
@@CoffeeandPhotographyTalk I wasn’t asking a question, it was a statement. You can display focus distance with RF lenses in the information display. A feature most people could probably do without, but it’s an advantage of using RF over EF no one talks about in the “great debate”.
I use manual lens because they are small and good and "fast", for street photography on a Sony A7C . and I take what's best for my use. I want the best no matter of what mount it is for full frame . Right now I need a portrait lens, and missed the occasion ZEISS EF mount 135 mmf2 APO Sonnar manual lens . Glurps. What is your recommandation of best of the best portrait lens, manual of AF lens ?? Thanks a lot ! cheers
For me, I love the focal length range somewhere in the 85 to 100mm lengths for portraits. My current fave is the canon 100mm f2.8 macro ... its a really beautiful lens. I have used the 85mm 1.2 and it is exquisite as well. Both are L lenses and canon usually doesn't miss with those. I use AF because i often shoot children and they move pretty quick! LOL Thanks for watching!
Where are you with canon lenses; EF vs RF? Do you have a need to keep EF lenses?
Seems like if you are willing to buy and use older EF used lenses, its like half the price (or even less) to fill the gap for now with just EF. Don't think I care about the control rings or "speed updates" that much. Yes, the IS will influence some of the decision process.
I bought the RF 600mm f4 and the RF 1.4 teleconverter because that combination is my daily driver. I traded in my 600mm f4 version II because I ain't getting any younger and losing 2 lbs of weight to lug around was part of the consideration. But after watching your video as well as several others (except for a couple of total Canon Fan Boys) I have decided that I am in no big hurry to get rid of any of my EF mount L series glass. It should still serve me well.
I have both. EF 50 1.8, EFS 10-18mm, EF 75-300mm, Vivitar 19-35mm. RF 24-105mm, 100-400mm. I have also rented several more expensive lenses for Milky Way pics and bird photos. I will keep the EF(S). The 50 for portrait and macro (with extension tube), 10-18, 19-35 for star trails. Forgot my EF 28-80mm, a very sharp lens, @ 50mm maybe the sharpest of all. Bodies--RP, 77D, rebel and Elan 7. Wish they made todays bodies like the Elan 7. thanks, very interesting thread below.
I have 6 lenses. My autofocus EF lenses are 50mm f/1.8, 75-300 f/4-5.6 telephoto and Tamron 24-70 f/2.8. I have a 24mm f/2.8 EF-S. I also have 2 EF-M lenses. The TTArtisan 35mm f/1.4 and the Kamlan 50mm f/1.1. My newest camera is the M6 mark II. I have a 2x teleconverter, a viltrox ef or efs to efm adaptor and a viltrox ef to efm speedbooster. I still have my SL2 and EOS-M cameras. It's like a museum for dead canon digital gear here. I am turning 60 this year and I don't think I need anything else.
Thanks for clearing my doubts on upgrading my dslr or buying a mirrorless. RF is the future, so will go for mirrorless. I will also definitely keep my EF lenses and won't sell them.
There is NOTHING wrong with EF glass - half of mine still is and there really isn't a dropoff in quality. Thanks for watching!
I keep my 5DmkIV and my collection of good L and non-L lenses. I have recently bought a R5 on a discount and a RF24-70 F/2.8 IS USM as a supplement. Planning to keep that configuration for a couple of years to come
One year in with The adapter seems to be working just fine no plans on buying RF glass anytime soon.
I was just talking to another photographer about it last night, the adaptor works amazingly well doesn't it? Thanks for watching!
I love my EF glass. I own most of the classics. I still have a camera that uses them. I love my R5 and adapt all my EF Lenses. Moving forward I’ll fill in the gaps with RF. I bought 800, 600, and 28-70. The 28-70 is my fave lens.
28-70 is a gem. 😉
The only RF lens that I purchased was the 600mm f4 because that is my daily driver so to speak. I have used my 500mm f4 on my R5 with the basic converter and it works like a charm. Same with my 16 to 35 mm lens. So I will keep my EF lenses until they fail. The only RF lens I might consider is if Canon comes out with a 300 2.8 to 500 f4 zoom and then I might trade my 300 f2.8 ef and 500 f4 ef in and go for that level of zoom.
As a Sony shooter who has been using adapted EF lenses for his whole time on Sony, please sell and upgrade. The EF L series is amazing across both brands and I'd love to grab some more lenses for a good price lol
Is there a need for image stabilization in lenses if the trend is IBIS?
If the ef lenses work flawlessly with the adapter and they are a fraction of the price of RF it makes sense to buy EF unless you come across either a great deal on the RF glass or there is not an EF lens available to fill the role of a new RF (maybe some new zoom range and f-value not available in ef).
There are those who can do art with a pinhole camera then there is me. Equipment isn’t the cure for blindness.
thank you for your comment. It really helped me make my final decisions easier.
Just starting with a new Canon R camera. Got one lens for it so far, 50mm 1.8. That's it. Will get an adapter to use with my EF lenses. Will likely upgrade slowly to RF as time goes on.
I'm approaching 50 and started photography a few years ago with an 80D & Tamron 150-600mm G2.
I could have switched to mirrorless but instead spent my savings on a very nice used 1Dx Mk iii & 500mm f4 L IS USM.
As an amateur I hope that this kit will serve me well for many years to come...
Congratulations! I think it will…. That autofocus that helps me keep little ones in focus as I chase them around is too irresistible for me. 😉
I jumped onto RF a year and a half ago with the R7. The M50 was what I ran before that, but its still in my bag. So legacy DSLR lenses isn't a concern to me, but EF still makes up most of what I own and purchase. Why? Budget. The EF 70-200 2.8L non-IS is my only L lense and I got for $700(can) used. Even a used RF equivilant is more than 2x here. My only RF glass in my kit is the 10-18 kit that i got for my Cuba trip. I'm looking at EF 24-70 f2.8 right now, be it Canon or Sigma. Along with an R6mkII.
Where can I see your Cuba trip pictures?
@GermanOsorio
I did a video where I included my shots along with my video clips. All my shots were off my RF 10-18, Sigma 18-35 f1.8, and Sigma 18-300 f3.5-5.6, where most of my video was off my DJI Osmo Action4 and Pocket3.
@@HeadlessChickenTO Thank you, I'll take a look at your video and see your good job. Cheers!
Great video! I can totally relate. I’ve owned both EF and RF I like the 24-105 L on my R
Thanks for watching!
I'm staying EF and DSLR until they completely solve the R5 overheating problems.
Great discussion Hayward I’m in the camp that if you have good EF glass you might as well stay the gap when it comes to quality is not very big if any at all. However if there is a focal length you need and don’t have I’d look at RF as long as the budget allows for it.
Thanks Lee! I'm STILL not happy about not being able to use a new focal length with my DSLR though! Not planning to get rid of that for some time... grrr... LOL
I think it's also worth considering price. You can get good EF L lenses used where the RF lenses are new enough that there isn't the same used market, and the price on the older EF L lenses can be up to half of the cost of a new RF equivalent. So for the hobbyist or someone just starting out, the EF lenses on a mirrorless body will make some financial sense. I think the biggest advantage I've seen for RF lenses is for video and fast action uses. If you're a professional sports photographer or cinematographer, then RF lenses are going to be worth the investment.
Agree with the points you make. Thanks for watching!
The IBIS feature in my r6mk2 even if it's not full. Makes my Ef lenses better.
I am a Fujifilm GFX 100ii shooter and the EF lenses will be my pick. I may try a Canon Camera just becuase of that. I just don't know which top of the lne EF Canon Camera to buy.
Hi there...I just finished watching your RF vs EF lens video and while I realize the video is not recent, I am facing a bit of a dilemma as I need to replace my EF 70-200 f/2.8 USM I lens...yep it’s 20 yrs old and autofocus has become an issue...I had it serviced, but the results are not great on my R5MKII and my R3...I still have my 5D MKIII and my 7D MKII...the 70-200 was my goto lens in the past for travel, but since I had my 100-400 4-5.6 IS USM II, I have been using that one with the 70-200 and extender as a backup if things went bad...I always travel with 2 bodies and at least 1 long lens with the backup being the 70-200 extender combo...obviously R5MKII and R3 will accompany me on my next wildlife photo trip, and I was thinking of replacing the 70-200 with the RF 200 f/2.8, but I just found out that I can’t put the RF extender on the that lens...so to get another long zoom lens I was looking at the RF 100-500, but that gives me 2 lens with pretty much the same range...watching your video, goth me to think that I could get the latest version of the EF 70-200 F2.8 III...it would give me a fast lens that I could still use on my 5D MKIII and 7D MKII...and I could use the EF extender to give me the backup range I need when I travel...do you have any comment on such a scenario.
It’s all about what trade offs matter most. If you have the latest gen EF, the image quality will be pretty darn good at much lower price. It won’t equal RF glass on the RF cams, but it would be the best you could do and still have EF for the other bodies. It’s probably the best compromise without selling all EF and going RF. I don’t shoot long lens like that so I’ll be honest that’s not an issue I’ve tried to tackle. Thanks for watching and good luck!
@@CoffeeandPhotographyTalk Thanks for your quick reply…if I could put the extender on the RF it would have been a no brainer…I’m thinking more the range of lens and having a backup to my EF 100-400 if it goes bad…I’m extremely satisfied with my EF 100-400 R3 and R5MKII COMBO…so I don’t think I would be compromising image quality with the 3rd version…the side benefit would be the fit on DSLR bodies…again thx
Moving to R cameras and RF glass has been the best move I've ever made. Totally eliminated my pro camcorder line.
I need a 70-200, but the only one I can remotely afford is a Sigma EF lens. Hopefully Sigma will be able to make an RF version of it eventually.
I have an adapter to my Canon M50 Mark2 to use my Canon EF 24-105mm L
I still use DSLR Canon cameras but I plan to move to the R6 or R5 in the next couple of years. Right now I have EF telephoto lenses and EF-S lenses for wide angle and as universal zoom.
After moving to mirrorless cameras I will replace the EF-S lenses with RF lenses.
Replacing the EFS-S is probably a good strategy for sure - good luck with it, thanks for watching!
Some of the EF lenses are a great value right now. I recently picked up a Canon RP which brought me into both the full frame and mirrorless world. I've always wanted a fast 85mm portrait lens. The EF L 85mm lenses are so much cheaper than RF (I got the 85mm 1.4L IS lens for $999 on the Canon refurb store and the f/1.2 can be found at a similar price). So while the RF 85mm f/1.2L is no doubt amazing, I can't justify the price over it's EF contemporaries.
Exactly. They were state of the art lenses maybe 3 or 4 years ago, they are great bargains. Thanks for watching!
I'm selling my RF 100-500 zoom lens for $2000 boxed 📦
I'm moving backward with gear. My next lens will be 50 years old. I'm a hobbyist. Paying 2 to 3 thousand for a lens is ubsurd in my case. I've got some nice Zeiss classic lenses for EF. Perhaps in 20 years, RF glass will be more reasonably priced.
My EF 75-300mm is bad. Image is every soft at the center even zoomed all the way in with fast shutter speed. My best lens is the Conon EF 50mm 1.8
I have a r50 it takes rf lenses but I got a adapter for ef today defiantly worth it
The point that ef l glass is sold fir very cheap right now was Not mentioned
Hi. How the image stabilization working with adapter? I got R8 and it has no IBIS, so adding adapter and an EF lens with image stabilization would work ok?
I haven't noticed any impact on stabilization from the adaptor
@@CoffeeandPhotographyTalk tnx
ok but what are your thought on the EF-eosR adapter? you can still use you EF lenses with the mirrorless, correct?
Yes, you can
Thanks for this video I really wanted to understand the difference between these two. I use a Canon EOS 2000d with a prime lens 50mm f1.8
Thanks for watching!
I’ve noticed no one discusses the lens information readouts on R cameras with RF lens in any of these EF vs RF videos
Not following exactly what you are asking
@@CoffeeandPhotographyTalk I wasn’t asking a question, it was a statement. You can display focus distance with RF lenses in the information display. A feature most people could probably do without, but it’s an advantage of using RF over EF no one talks about in the “great debate”.
Especially in manual focus which I use for macro. Good point.
will the rf work on a EFS
Not that I'm aware of
I use manual lens because they are small and good and "fast", for street photography on a Sony A7C . and I take what's best for my use. I want the best no matter of what mount it is for full frame .
Right now I need a portrait lens, and missed the occasion ZEISS EF mount 135 mmf2 APO Sonnar manual lens . Glurps. What is your recommandation of best of the best portrait lens, manual of AF lens ?? Thanks a lot ! cheers
For me, I love the focal length range somewhere in the 85 to 100mm lengths for portraits. My current fave is the canon 100mm f2.8 macro ... its a really beautiful lens. I have used the 85mm 1.2 and it is exquisite as well. Both are L lenses and canon usually doesn't miss with those. I use AF because i often shoot children and they move pretty quick! LOL Thanks for watching!
I always buy old equipment anyway
I have more DLSR cameras than mirrorless, so I will use my adapter.
I notice NO difference in quality using the adaptor... thanks for watching!
I see a microphone. Whats up with the sound?
it's for show only
@@kaydawgy1999 I've been bamboozled?!
You never explained what RF lenses are, you just said they are the future?
They are the new generation of lenses made for the mirror less cameras.