So they 'visited' NK. And already felt kinship, I'm amazed that they have so much empathy but, 'visiting' and 'living' in NK are two very, very different things.
Leigh Tory well they say in the video they are choreographed, if they spent a week in the real North Korea they would integrate into Japanese society faster than those right wing nationalist ever could
Maybe the solution would be to send the NKs back to really live in their cherished homeland for at least 5 years before giving em the option to return. (Edit) Who knows they would even become the right wing Japanese nationalists. Problem solved!
As said in the video, it made them that way since Japanese were hostile to them. But you're right. I just hope they would think for themselves and stop being influenced.
@RobloxThingx I knew there was a cult/nationalistic grups problem in japan, but I didn't knew about the worship of Hiroshito in schools, do you have any article/video talking more about it?
The Korean identity is safe here in South Korea, as well as the North, if it were ever to be a unique culture in itself. Those schools aren't preserving some culture that will be gone without.
they probably simply don't know about the terrible things the government has done, or if they do, they probably just deny it (well for the kids, at least)
I remember watching a documentary about an American eye surgeon and his team who visited N. Korea for a medical mission and operated on citizens with cataract. The people, after they regained there vision, thanked and praised Kim Jong-il and never even thanked the medical team. The documentarist then wondered if they were doing that out of sincere gratitude or extreme fear of the regime.
the regime allowed the doctors to come. Just about any doctor could do the surgery, but only 1 regime can allow it. They're raised with the idea that their leader provides for them despite harsh hostilities from almost every other country, so they put the defense of the country above their own health. If they don't abide the rules they know for sure they and their entire families will suffer even more so this is the best situation they can think of and therefor be grateful to the regime, how counterintuitive it might seem from an external point of view like ours.
@@dasiro It's not like that. Korean War never ended, they're in an armistice. When a socialist country, literaly surrounded by US millitary bases, it is unsafe for the country allow any one in the coutry without supervision. That's why North Korea only allow tourists with professional guides. When the person praises Kim Jong-Il, it's because there is in North Korea a huge personality cult to the Kim family, beacause they kind of saved Korea from a terrifying war against the USA, that bombed almost a third of the country. This personality cult isn't exclusive to North Korea at all. In the UK, for instance, Queen Elizabeth II is extremely praised., even in the national Anthen.
North Korea is like the really cool dad growing up, but you later find out that he did drugs and killed people Edit: Over a full year later, I’m making this edit just to say that this remains my greatest accomplishment.
That guy in the bar is right. At least Japan is not trying to destroy Korean schools. Japan is just not willing to waste the taxpayers' money on an organization that worships a dangerous ideology.
@@Peace4Leisure91 They always present Japan as the ultimate evil of the time. Thousands of Koreans also have voluntarily moved to Japan before and during WWII to be educated (whether in universities or military academies) or to work because Japan was far more industrialised than Korea was at the time.
@Ian Gilliam i don't think you watch the video truly. these kids see North Korea as heaven. their mindset is already different from us. this backward mindset is not being helped by the Japanese hate for them, so they sought refugee to North Korea. idolizing them. and again, telling these children to go back to North Korea. would you tell an African-American to go back to Africa so they wouldn't feel discriminated?
"If they love North Korea so much then they should return back there" , saying this sounds racist but no matter what you say it's true. Enjoying the freedom and privileges of living in Japan but staying faithful to a country like NK and turning a blind eye to the atrocities committed by it is pure sedition.
They can't, they are stateless people. Japan forcibly brought their forefathers from a united Korea at the time, now their descendants will never be accepted as Japanese, nor they will be accepted in either Korea, NK sees them as foreign by this point, SK won't accept their allegiance to the north and while they're now japanese citizens, they will never be seen as Japanese. It's a Limbo.
That's not at all racist to say. Even if you are American and hate America, it's a fair question to ask why you live there if you are free to go. It's very interesting that in this mini documentary he didn't ask this basic question himself. Clearly the children are free to visit and there doesn't seem to be any way for an open country like Japan to stop people leaving. The other thing that he doesn't answer at all is why are the Japanese government giving any funding to a non-Japanese school. You could set up a foreign school in many European countries, but you wouldn't expect the local taxpayers to fund cultural indoctrination. If the cultural values are so strong and important they can find them themselves. It was a really interesting topic that was really poorly handled.
Seems like the smartest move for these schools would be to build a relationship with the South Korean government to secure funding apart from the north while still remaining Korean.
Daniel Hayek first of South Koreans hate North Koreans even more than japan second the school should be shut down there is a difference between teaching a culture and indoctrination
or you know, just integrate since they have absolutley 0 in common with actual north korea. they living in fantasy world. Can't they just open den internet??
Yeah like seriously if you cried when you left north korea because you were sad why not stay there forever and be executed when you try to leave and get caught
Killstorm55 I know right? And then Vox try to make Japan citizens and officials look like bad guys.. please..Stop normalizing North Korea like its any other country.
It would be heavily choreographed and they would almost live in luxury. There is no way they would allow them to see the conditions of what many of us consider the real North Korea. Imagine it being set up similarly to the tourism in the country they would never allow us to see first hand the terrible conditions in which they live.
Lennon Talbot they did the same thing with the Palestinian Israeli conflict. Palestine was CLEARLY in the wrong (yes I did my research). But they try to make it look like they're not biased. Except YOU CAN'T DO THAT WITH NORTH KOREA AND JAPAN! Also they are clearly democratic.
The people who love the most in Japan are not the Koreans living in Japan, but the pro-American politicians who are affiliated with the Liberal Democratic Party (自由民主党, jiyūminshutō) who get easy votes every time North Korea announces something sensitive. Japan's parliamentary elections generally rely on North Korea to do something.
I support the principle, but I'm not going to support them monetarily and the Japanese taxpayers should not be forced to fund the preservation of Korean culture.
Well that's not really the case here, since Osama Bin Laden lead a terrorist attack on US Soil killing innocent US Civilians. I fear that's not the case since however your opinion on the North Korean government, they haven't actively inflicted harm against the Japanese dominion. A more correct approach would be "How would you feel if they build a memorial for Lenin in the US". Sure someone might not like it, but would that make it wrong?
Well if you say that's phrase is coming from demon, Wesley. It will not stop. It's just so to justify the cause to build a school that supports North Korea regime like, 'Oh you take our citizens to be a sex slave in WW2. So you have to accept our school in your country to keep our regime alive'? It's just like keep tossing hot grenades waiting for the day it blows up. Some side has to stop and throw it down the trash. Getting public executed because you watched movies from Hollywood or Bollywood is not something we want to see it got supported in the 21st century.
"The US and Japan also have human rights issues, fix those before you critisize NK" This is called leveling, very common defense from an abusive person when called out...
I just wanna know the amount of crimes that the us and uk committed that you are aware of, I’d rather have a nation which is publicly known for its crime then one that hides it and people celebrate it
@@deirse2068 what are you talking about? While it is not talked enough about for a lot of our likings you learn about all the atrocities that happened on north American soil if your're a us kid. The only way you wouldn't learn of something is if it was done not too long ago and the history wasn't done being written up on it.
“What about American and Japanese human rights issues” “Many of these are even more serious” “Deal with your problems first before you criticize North Korea” No. Your argument is false. Open the borders, allow freedom of speech, end labor camps, end generational punishments, and stop shooting nukes near your neighbors... Also I’ll criticize America too! You know why??? because criticizing America is the most American thing you can do. Note* I’m not saying America and Japan don’t have problems.
@@keepcoolgames5896 generational punishments, when someone commits a crime in north korea, their entire family can be punished for their own crime. this is meant to dissuade people from trying to escape for fear that their family will suffer as well
The USA never dislocated Soviet population to Mainland or Off shores US. It's more like if the Chechens built a Chechen school in Moscow with the funding of a Chechen leader whom everyone hates.
It's really a difficult issue. As a Japanese, I feel remorse for our imperialist history, which caused this problem at first, and I wish Korean people could find a place to preserve their cultural identity. On the other hand, it's true that Chongryon indoctrinates Korean people to worship the North Korean Dictatorship. Although I will disagree about most of the things with him, that right-wing activist was right at least partly in saying "what if they built an Osama Bin Laden Memorial School in the US?" I wish Korean people could find an alternative way to preserve their cultural identity. I learned a lot from this video, thank you Vox.
All people in the world Have ancestors who did evil War ...torture ...rape ...slaughter Not because Evil Leaders tell Lies But because the People believe the Lies Lies have no power Belief gives power to lies Belief makes slaves Logic breaks the chains Ok ?
Culture is a Big Cult If only 100 people Believed those things We would call them a Cult If 100 Million people believe same things We call it Culture No ?
I don't know what to say man, How innocent their minds are ,they're thinking North Korea is like a paradise by looking at maps, culture , visiting on school trips, (tbh their teachers and community are portraying these children false image) & Japanese discriminating them on the other side, both sides there's fault, but i stand slightly towards Japanese. One day they'll realise the reality
I think that those North Koreans(including children) know their countries state of affairs because Japan is a liberal country where all citizens can get information easily. Knowing that, It’s not a bad thing to be proud of their own homeland because the reason why North Korea is in a bad situation is all on Kim Jong un, and denying North Korea’s culture and history is not right. They know about their own country far more than us foreigners. (I’m sorry. I don’t know if you could understand my bad English💦)
There’s no simple answer to this but I would say both sides are guilty. Though their actions, Japan discriminates which encourages North Koreans to manipulate their young into thinking North Korea is a safeguard while North Koreans remain ignorant to their country’s plight and recent history, enraging the Japanese
The museum is kind of amazing, you have to admit that. Imagine if every country had something similar, a place to remember everything about the country.
My mom is a South Korean citizen.. she was born in Japan but went to a North Korean school in Japan because my grand parents wanted her to keep her Korean traditions. From what she told me they taught Korean history instead of North Korean history. The only reason she didn’t go to a South Korean school was because it was too expensive and she grew up poor.
My mum is an Indian citizen. She was born in Karachi Pakistan but went to a Hindi language school in India because she was Hindu. Her family fled Pakistan to escape persecution and due to the school being destroyed by locals. My neighbor who is Muslim was taught Indian history rather than Pakistani history. I live in the UK now.
Don’t get kids involved with the North Korean politics in North Korea they would be rich since they would be classified as loyal and loyal North Koreans are rich but the “hostile” are poor but anyways don’t involve them with politics there just children
They are living in Japan without censored internet and media. They can literally search the sins of North Korean regime and the oppression of the citizens, in 5 minutes. They could know any better, they are just ignorant, and they are 100% at fault.
@@fenrirr22 ...You're calling these students ignorant but I think you're in a similar case. How often do you purposely try to search about atrocities your own country has committed? No one likes to do that, especially at their age....
I'm sure they have a pretty good command in Korean, with all their textbooks in Korean and everything. But since these people were born and raised in Japan, I'm guessing they felt more comfortable speaking in Japanese when talking about touchy subject like this
@@Chris-zz9wm They probably speak the North dialect of Korean which is not the same as the south actually, so finding a translator might indeed be hard.
During their school trip they will probably see the good parts of N.Korea. When they move there, they will probably understand what this country really is like.
Vox, I think this is an excellent documentary explaining the complex and hidden issue of Koreans in Japan. Well done and I appreciate it! But there is an important fact you missed mention why all this happen. Do you know why Korean community in Japan received money from the North Korea, not from the South Korea, after Japanese Empire fell. And that was the start of this awkward situation and tragedy for the Koreans in Japan. I was curious about it and people who watched this video might have the same question. During the Japanese rule of Korean peninsula 1910 - 1945, Japan built most of the industrial complex in the northern Korea where there are plenty of natural resources such as hydro power generation, coal, etc. In addition having industrial and military base close to Chinese border made more sense for the Japan in the goal of expanding the empire into China. On the other hand southern Korea was used as an agricultural basis producing mainly rice. So when the 2nd World War ended, South Korea was much poorer than North Korea up until 1970, thus no extra resources to share with Koreans living abroad for the struggling government of South Korea. There is one more thing that I would like to mention. Do you know why Koreans in Japan(North Korean citizens) still support and loyal to North Korea? It's because they have many family members and relatives who lives in North Korea now. During 1955 -1970, many Koreans in Japan emigrated to North Korea lured by the communist propaganda of free education, medical service, and communist Utopia. The North Korean community in Japan already knows that North Korea is the worst country in the world run by the horrible dictatorship of Kim's family. But when they stop supporting the regime and stop sending money to their brothers and sisters in North Korea, it will definitely make their families and relatives hard to survive. Following link is a testimony of two Koreans. One male, born in Japan, emigrated to North Korea, escaped to South Korea via China, and the other female, born and lived as North Korean in Japan, living in South Korea now but her brothers living in North Korea. Sorry the interview is in Korean. th-cam.com/video/pMC2G7akiiM/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for the insightful comment. It's nice to see someone actually contribute with valuable information on the issue, as opposed to the hateful and reductionist one-liners that comprise most of this video's comment section...
I thought they were still supporting North Korea because North Korean government was providing them money and culture they never had. Man, after reading your comment it absolutely makes sense. Thank you very much.
this information is indeed very important to understand this story, thanks for shading some more light on the background. a shame it was not a part of the video..
Henrique Vargas actually there are already some schools supported by rok government in japan, but the number is very limited. The north is much stronger than the south in brainwashing.
Japanese government must takeover these schools and give them to South Korea. We can't side on the north Koreans in Japan. If they love it North Korean dictatorship they can move it
@@crimea2513I am Canadian, I think Canada must take over the world Canada will become the Great Empire You will become a Canadian I will be the Great Leader
Crispy Terone What u said is true......but in this case North Korea doesn’t allow people from different nationalities to settle there.......even tho they are non residential Koreans
I'm proud of my family's German heritage and Ich can speak Deutsche reasonably well, but I don't family pride in our heritage or genealogy to a Central European country would necessarily gain me entry into a exclusive German-speaking school in Alabama much less there being any support for any such schools existing. Why would the current German government support any specific German-language schools in the USA and we reciprocated by giving our hard-earned money to them. That makes no logical sense, but then again Germany isn't a totalitarian dictatorship, despite its militaristic past, and the evil, unforgivable crimes committed by the Third Reich in the death and concentration camps and a calculated wars of aggression that nearly led to an extinction event. Then there's the crimes and authoritarian secret espionage state of East Germany and the StaatSecurityService, State Security Service, or the Stack, probably one of the diabolical, clever, evil, ruthless secret polices ever to exist. These guys at their best made the KGB, CIA's Cointellpro, NSA look like choir boys during the Cold War and that's saying something.
as a Japanese the problem is the education both Japanese and North Korean receive and media that constantly promotes the hate towards each other. I understand there’s a dark history and it’s never easy for anyone to get over everything completely but we’ve got something better to do than just hating and blaming on every single thing one or the other..
North Korea has never forgiven South Korean or Japan for what happened during WW2. It's almost a reliable source of fear-mongering that the atrocities committed towards the small country would happen again if they even considered being more open.
@bigricester Aspiring Marauder is literally using the correct political science terminology for how the Soviet Union deflected criticism during the Cold War.
@@elton7425 Sorry to bust your bubble, but it is. It's not opinion based but based on factual evidence throughout history and current standings. Do actual research you dolt.
I have a friend who had to go North Korean school in Japan. She can speak fluent Korean and Japanese. She said she had to spend 2 weeks in NK for school. Don't think she cared for it. Too me though she was 100% Japanese.
@@angel_aki there's a small difference... I don't feel any resentment, I'm extremely neutral as a minority also. Atleast you don't have muslim schools who teach basically anti American and Japanese culture. You have people who had a view against the majority of the people who had views different from their hive mind. Or hive mind they don't even know that exists...
@Jacky Phantom you forget that ww2 is less than 100 years ago The koreans in the vid didnt just "come "to japsn, they were BROUGHT there during the Japanese emperium
@Jacky Phantom two things, firstly "Koreans" are not more sensible, I believe you mean South Koreans. Secondly you should be breaking a sweat for the US as well. Considering if that we are heavily tied to Japan.
@@StrangerOnTheWeb nope that argument doesn't work. No hate can ever be justified by things that happened in the past. Especially when it was done by someones ancestors. The Japaneses hate is now justified however, considering the atrocities committed daily by the evil NK.
i was thinking about this too, but i don’t think sk would want to undermine NK as the current sk prime minister really really wants unification and is rather soft on nk for these reasons. maybe one way to do things is for the japanese government to show more cooperation with the south korean government, to show that they aren’t anti korean but they refuse to support a harmful regime. problem is jpn prime minister is very nationalistic
the Pro-SK organization(simply called Mindan) has their own schools already. Embracing Chongryon's schools is beyond the imagination in the history of their own confrontation.
The idea that no country can criticize another unless they themselves are flawless just creates a world where no one can speak up for the victims of human rights violations. We all must hold each other AND our own governments accountable.
When the world's most powerful Empire who has killed tens of millions around the world, started dozens of wars, military dictatorships and commits war crimes all the time, and tries to use supposed human right abuse so they can embargo and starve a tiny nation that has been bombed to the stone age by them 70 years, that might be a little hypocritical and disgusting, don't you think
While I do believe that harassing these children is wrong, I won't blame the Japanese government if they completely cut off funding to these schools and asked these kids to attend regular Japanese schools instead.
I wouldn't fund a shool, that heavily honors a family of dictators, that threat the very country those shools are standing with nuclear attacs. Nah, defenetly wouldn't do that either.
@ i wouldn't allow those korean children in a japanese schools since the japanese has a high conviction rate because they beat people to confess to crimes they 99% didn't commit. I rather see those kids in the korean schools where they are SAFE and not harass or mocked
@@melli7193 I kinda agree with you but there is a massive difference between kidnapping and defunding schools. Yes you could argue that but these children have family's they got to live yes they dont deserve the hate. But as north Korean missile attacks increase there is so much genuine fear in the hearts of the japanese
I kind of understand what you mean, 'cause I thought the same, however, discrimination against children who were raised to believe in NK as a safe space isn't right. The violation of human rights in NK, including the ones of the japanese taken there, doesn't justify using children for diplomatic purposes. I mean, they are children, their world view is mostly the one they're taught, as said in the video, Japan's hate only increases the love those ppl have for NK.
@@VioletVagabond272 Has Japan paid reparations to these people? They were literally all brought over as conscripts and slaves. I'll bet you most of their lost funding comes from taxes they pay. Japanese-Koreans didn't take those kids. While Japan definitely took all 600,000 of them from Korea. Japan is in the wrong here. Nobody supports NK for no reason, unless the alternative is worse.
There is a gap in knowledge between the two sides; this video highlights that the Koreans in Japan go visit NK and see only a highly choreographed presentation on how "great" it is to live under that regime in that economy. If they actually had to live there, and felt the oppression and poverty, they would not love the regime so much. The proper solution, I think, would be for the Japanese to educate the Koreans living there on what North Korea is actually like, perhaps give them a graduation ceremony trip to South Korea and have them listen to the stories of those who have fled from NK. They would likely listen more to other Koreans than to Japanese. America did not win the Cold War simply by hating Russians; there were concerted efforts to show that Communism was different from Russians or Polish people etc. and unveiling the poverty and cruelty to those suffering under them was a key component in showing how different one system was from another. The Japanese Koreans here seem to lack that information because they exist only in their "bubble." Rather than simply hating and trying to undermine them, the Japanese should (and perhaps are) try to pierce the bubble with information.
@Joseph Daigo Peto Correction. Thanks to America. The same applies to Japan as well. Had the Americans not gotten actively involved in East Asia, you'd already be under the PRC's sphere of influence.
But they have the information. They reject it. You heard the guy: Think of your own problems, many of which are greater than any in North Korea, before you criticize. That's not a guy who doesn't know. That's a guy who knows it all, _and likes it better than Japan, and better than the West._ It's really important to listen to what people are saying, rather than second guess the reasons why they are saying it.
Would you let saudi arabia teach you and your kids on how hostile and bad the US is to the middle eastern countries ? Thats the case with north koreans.
Korea in Japan is hard to explain because there is 3 group of Korean in JP. 1st is the immigrant from South Korea who move to JP in early 1980 to get a better live in JP. 2nd is the Korean who pick North Korea as their identity for many reason for example like refugees from Jeju who fleed to Japan because the SK treatment of communism in post Korean war. 3rd is the Pre-Korean War Korean who not affiliated to south or north Korea or the Joseon people. So talking about Korean in Japan and their affiliated either to south or north or neither both is complicated because so many reason for them to choose
The problem is, Chongryong seniors will do any effort they can to prevent their children from accepting the reality of North Korea. Actually they themselves put their children in captivity, shutting out real information and common sense of outside world.
It's a tiny nitpick, but at 0:48, the caption reads 東京市 Tōkyō-shi or "City of Tokyo". This municipality doesn't exist, and it's technically 東京都 Tōkyō-to, the "Tokyo Metropolis".
@@icyr0bin-794 Eh maybe. After all, there is only one in the country. When talking about all Japanese prefectures together, they say 都道府県 todōfuken, because there are actually four kinds.
Their attitude reminds me of my mother, when we were learning about how bad Mao was my mom refused to hear it, saying that the deaths would happen anyway. I realize that it is not to the same level but it did remind me of her. (p.s she is from china)
Exactly. Even though the US and Japan do have history of human rights violations, #1 the human rights violations aren't comparable. It's like comparing shoplifting to bank robbery. And #2, that doesn't make their human rights violations ok because others have them. I wish the guy interviewing him had followed up with admitting the US does have rights violations and we as citizens fight against them all the time, what does he do against the NK violations...
Anushka Sati IKR our (US) human rights violations. Everyone had rights freedom of relglion peace. We have welfare programs. We really dont have human rights violations
I don't understand how it's even acceptable to teach kids to pledge allegiance to some other country while they and their parents were born and raised in Japan. Teaching them Korean language and culture is great but I don't get why they even have the pictures of the NK leaders in the school, neither why do they have to respect them.
Because that's what makes a democracy superior to an autocracy- the freedom of choice. You can't punish people for believing in something that you find unsavoury long as they aren't doing anyone any harm. They keep to themselves and don't encourage kids to revolt against the Japanese government. They're just a cult.
North Koreans: /tests missiles close to Japan borders and kidnaps Japanese citizens/ Japanese: /cuts education funding to North Korean school/ North Koreans: /surprised Pikachu face/
North Korean children living in Japan: /gets discriminated/ huh north korea is pretty cool Japanese nationalists: /surprised pikachu face/ Its not all black and white
From a neutral point of view This all happened because of Japan. They should have integrated this NK people to their culture shouldnt have allowed those school that taught NK history. This NK people that live in japan should change their attitude shouldnt live in a country and support another that threatens with nuclear war with the country you are staying with and enjoy all the freedom. Technically you are all from south Korea as per video so because NK send you money now you have obligation to them. NK people understand this fact Japan allowed you to have your own schools allowed you to have your culture gave you all the rights Dont think it as Japan's weakness
kind of feels like they're able to be nostalgic about the "great leader" because they've never lived under him or had to deal with the consequences of his leadership
Sky TrexZ Let’s have an example, shall we? If I’m Turkish and you’re Syrian, and apparently Turkey is invading Syria, would it be ideal that the Syrian Government financially support Turkish schools in Syria? That certainly wouldn’t be okay. You said that just because they’re not from the same country doesn’t mean the government shouldn’t help them, but let’s be realistic, those schools are against Japanese education in the first place. In addition, those two countries, Japan and North Korea, don’t have such an amazing relationship and there are no rules that said the Japanese Government must financially support North Korean schools. It’s not all sunshine and rainbows, because if those North Koreans didn’t want to live in Japan, why don’t they return to North Korea? From what I’ve heard, they’re pretending that they’re the victims even though they’re not.
Yeah if you have lived in a country for enough time and went their when your young enough, you would be able to speak their national language. I'm korean and I can speak english and spanish fluently enough even though I have only lived abroad for 2 years.
One very important point that Vox fails to express clearly is that there are two Korean organizations in Japan, one representing the South Korean government, and the other the North. In fact, over the decades since the de-legitimization of North Korea and the Eastern Bloc, the Chongryon (North Korean) organization has dwindled and the South Korean organization (Mindan) has nearly doubled.(they were once nearly equal, with the North being somewhat dominant) These people for some reason, though speaking Japanese as their first language and living in Japan have chosen, for complex reasons, to remain affiliated with North Korea. Some of these correlated with discrimination they have received in Japan, and some requiring a more nuanced analysis.
I was about to explain that. The South Korean organization (Mindan) is composed of Koreans who wanted to be affiliated with South Korea instead of the north. And as of now they clearly outnumbered the Koreans who claim to be affiliated with North Korea.
Thanks for that explanation. I had a hard time wrapping my mind around the idea that all these Korean descendants would remain loyal to North Korea. Now this makes a lot more sense.
By the 2008 crisis the japanese goverment gave brazilians almost 3k usd to come back to Brazil. I see how they could do the same to these so patriotic NK.
Although allowing a separate North Korean school on Japanese soil may seem like the right thing to do, it is a divisive policy that ensures ongoing separation for generations to come. Consider what happened in Singapore when cultural integration was mandated by a series of public housing initiatives. Generations ago, people of different cultures were required to live together in apartment buildings, requiring multicultural cooperation and at least an element of understanding and respect for neighbors. There was no effort to enforce language bans, though most citizens ended up bilingual. Instead of sliding into chaos, Singapore has risen to be considered the least corrupt and most successful city state in the world. Multiculturalism only works when there is a foundation of mutual respect. Often that begins in schools, so children raised in a homogeneous monoculture start out with a major disadvantage. It should never be about 'us' vs 'them'.
Ell Lee ????????? You are so naive. You can talk about any fantasy you want if you do not have to back up. It is Koreans who chose to be Koreans. There is no reason for Japan to make neutralization easy for illegal migrants, yakuzas, people who do not obey Japanese Law and criminals. It is Koreans that disguise themselves as Japanese using Japanese name and lie that the Japan took names away. It is very hard to change surname in Japan. Just think why only Koreans are hated in Japan. It is because they engage in illegal activities and behave so badly in Japan. And when they are accused, they play victims. They are the biggest liars and professional victims. If you want to stay in other country, then respect the culture and tradition, follow the laws and rules of society. If you cannot do that, then just leave. Simple as that with any other country. It is NOT your country but it is a Japanese country. Koreans should be deported as the original agreement said. Their permanent residence was for two generations, and they should go home as such.
I stay in singapore and we learn to respect others from school, having racial harmony day celebrated every year in school, teaching us about how the racial riot was started and ended in the 1960s.
Singapore has been independent only for the past 50+ years. And before that, it was a British Colony, where people of different races and religions had arrived from different parts of the world to work, from countries like Malaysia, India, China, and even as far as Holland. We have 4 official languages (English, Melayu, Tamil and Mandarin) so, we so our best to integrate each others' culture and beliefs. Not saying that we have a perfect system, every system definitely has its pros and cons.
I feel so much sympathy for these people. They were born in a country that didn't want them, and their homeland is a place that has no respect for human rights or freedom. What they understand of NK is a superficial benevolent image that is their benefactor. I have no doubt that if they started living there for a while, they would become disillusioned fast and realised how much better they had it in Japan ... but only if they lived as and pretended to be a Japanese citizen. Else, they'd get prosecuted. This is really heartbreaking.
Even the third and fourth generations born in Japan have not taken Japanese citizenship and are living as foreigners. That's the problem. There are many people who are living as Japanese, and it is not difficult for them to get Japanese citizenship, in fact they are given more privileges than other foreigners for doing so. No one is opposed to them preserving their culture and history. So why do they choose to live that way? This is because there is a system that is built using them, and there are people who would not like to see it go away. In the past, tens of billions of yen a year were sent to NK by them for years, and there were ships going back and forth to NK regularly. Since they can no longer do that freely, they have became more vocal about discrimination than ever before, not only in Japan but also overseas. This video is designed to make you feel sorry for them. A kind person like you should be careful not to let such things take advantage of your feelings.
@@matildasaito9416 I try my best to be reasonably kind, be moderate, and try to see an issue from both sides. However, this does not mean I'm not careful around possible bad actors nor lack awareness of possible outside influence. It also does not mean my current philosophy can be easily changed.
Preserving cultural identity is important but worshiping a leader who promotes regional security instability and committing human rights violations in an unprecedented level is a disgrace to them. I hope that the Japanese government will take more peaceful actions to educate that Korean minority group about the wrong doings of the North Korean regime. #regionalstability
Some of them is descendant of people who are refugees that leave their land because SK treatment to them in post Korean War like from Jeju for example.
@SwagetLeFaget don't feel too much sympathy for black people, cuz I'm black and I get discriminated against all the time because I ended up being lighter than almost all of them. I can't help that I almost look white and yet I've been threatened time and time again. Now I know the prejudice against black people is terrible my family has been in this situation pretty much forever as a as well as most black families,,, but I am experiencing something called colorism where people of your own race hate and discriminate you because you happen to be either lighter or darker than them
@@justarandomf-4gphantom170 Yeah, if we could see others as just people and not colours it would go a long way towards helping, but then you still have the LBGTQ etc etc............... prejudice is a mind set :(
It would be helpful for context and to see how Japan really treats people to compare to Southern-identifying Japanese-Korean experiences. Chongryon are a small subset even among the Zainichi community.
It is amazing how despite all the insistence on their Korean identity they speak primarily Japanese and has identical mannerisms. BTW the repeated reference to "language as their cultural barrier" didn't go noticed.
There is a difference between culture and complete ideology and obedience. Sadly this school does not support protecting the culture of NK but more of idolising the Kim dynasty.
But.. idolising the Kim legacy IS NK culture. They've been brainwashed from everyone around them since birth, and everything about NK is the Kim family.
There is no "culture of NK" is the thing. There's Korean culture. But that North/South divide is pretty much entirely geopolitical amd circumstantial, not cultural. So, cleverly, the DPRK positions itself in propaganda as *the* Korea, the purest protector of Korean culture as a whole. On the surface, it easily seems that way b/c the political situation has prevented the same level of Westernization that occured in South Korea/ROK. That's part of how they engender misguided, romanticized loyalty to the regime in the disapora (e.g., Chongryon).
Jay Williams Making that your point is like having someone say “We shouldn’t rape babies” And then responding to it with “I bet you don’t realize you like ice cream.
how can we be nice to them when these people actively insult Japan, refuse to cooperate with us and doesn't blend into the society? We always tell them to go back to north korea if they love kim so much but they just go silent and don't say anything. I guess they do realise that they have to rely on Japan.
我は官軍我（わが）敵は 1 天地容れざる朝敵ぞ 敵の大將たる者は 古今無雙（双）の英雄で 之に從ふ兵（つわもの）は 共に慓悍（ひょうかん）決死の士 鬼神（きしん）に恥（はじ）ぬ勇あるも 天の許さぬ叛逆を 起しゝ者は昔より 榮えし例（ためし）あらざるぞ 敵の亡ぶる夫迄（それまで）は 進めや進め諸共に 玉ちる劔（つるぎ）拔き連れて 死ぬる覺悟で進むべし 皇國（みくに）の風（ふう）と武士（もののふ）の 其身（そのみ）を護る靈（たましい）の 維新このかた廢（すた）れたる 日本刀（やまとがたな）の今更に 又（また）世に出づる身の譽（ほまれ） 敵も身方も諸共に 刄（やいば）の下に死ぬべきぞ 大和魂ある者の 死ぬべき時は今なるぞ 人に後（おく）れて恥かくな 敵の亡ぶる夫迄（それまで）は 進めや進め諸共に 玉ちる劔（つるぎ）拔き連れて 死ぬる覺悟で進むべ Do you miss your glorious Empire do you Miss emperor Hirohito and minister of War Hideki Tojo..
This is an interesting example of how reproach can intensify mutual hatred and issues. If the Japanese embraced them fully, I wonder if they would feel the need to stay so staunchly loyal to North Korea.
I think if the N.Koreans in Japan experienced less resistance from Japanese nationals they would feel more at home in Japan, not immediately but generations later. However, I don't think that Japanese nationalist would change their opinion anytime soon simply because of controversial topics that still lingers (Yasukuni, Comfort Women, textbook revisionism).
How can Japanese people embrace the people from the country which kidnapped many innocent Japanese people? It is not about the “hate” or “racism”, we fear them. Megumi Yokota was just 13 years old when she was kidnapped in 1977, and she has not returned yet. Her parents worked hard to bring her back, but her father had died several years ago and her mother in her late eighties is still waiting for her in vain. As she is not the only one who hasn’t returned, the problem is still far behind from the solution. I’m sorry if this offended you, but it is always so easy to complain and to be too idealistic about what does not affect you.
If they love North Korea so much, why just don't move there and never get back to Japan? They say they were crying when leaving NK, let them live there for a year and ask which country they prefer.
pedroviskinho That is definitely a acting. For North Korean people, it is decided that "North Korea is the paradise on the ground" by the doctrine of "Juche idea". So that, if they do not show sadness like Adam and Eve of the leaving Eden, they are punished later.
They originally moved to Japan for their own reasons when the Korean land was conquered by Japan. They are staying because of those reasons. Japan may be different economically or have different opportunities, so they stay in Japan.
Matthew Champlain so your hating on the "North Koreans" in Japan because they support something? That's like me hating on you because you support a type of a religion or if you don't.
Matthew Champlain It's not necessarily North Koreans that are the problem, the majority of them have been brainwashed by their dictatorship, which is the real issue.
i think the issue here isn't that they're Koreans ... is that they PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO A FOREIGN REGIME. You were born in Japan, you were raised in Japan, what's the issue with taking a citizenship. There are Muslim communities in Japan, small, but still work on the same basis. There are Chinese neighborhoods in Japan that operate on the same basis. A figurehead isn't a culture. You want to keep your folk stories, your traditions, your dresses and your rituals, that's fine, but why are you staying in a nation AND pledging allegiance to a regime/dictatorship that wants nothing but to wipe you off the map? Am I missing something here?
citizenship?* The issue is that Japan isn't accepting the Koreans. North Korea is the only country that funds their schools, so that's the only place these Koreans feel like they belong to. But they can't be a citizen of North Korea itself because they weren't born in North Korea, and North Korea has very strict immigration laws.
You are SWEARING LOYALTY to an allegiance in direct opposition to the nation of your dwelling. That's like having a tenant who's friends with someone who firebombs your garden and continues to associate with said firebomber.
Yes you are missing something, the fact these people aren't native Japanese people and they didn't choose to immigrate to Japan. The Japanese occupied their homeland, they killed and abducted their families and forcefully relocated them to Japan. "Thats like having a tenant who's friends with someone who firebombs your garden" First of all, Korea hasn't bombed or invaded Japan, actually the opposite lol Japan invaded and occupied Korea, they killed, tortured, raped, abducted and imprisoned Koreans. What does North Korea do? Make some threats and fire missiles a couple hundreds kilometers off Japans shores? Can't really compare the two, Japan was worse. Second of all, the correct analogy would be having an unwilling tenant who's grandparents you kidnapped, forced into sexual slavery, imprisoned on your property and tried to rid them of their cultural. Don't you think it would be reasonable that tenant dislikes you and aligns themselves with a nicer landlord who actually supports them and doesn't have a history of oppressing their family?
+Wayne Johnson The "neighbour" was given many chances to return, both with sponsorship and such. The "neighbour" has been given special privileges and systems to ease their citizenship process. The "neighbour" outright rejects all of these and then cries foul when their institutions are rife with scandals, refused government funding, and receive stigma from the community, ALL communities of japan. Even the chinese.
I think most of the comments here lack nuanced understanding. Sociocultural issues aren’t binary; it shouldn’t be black and white, us vs. them. I don’t think Vox was trying to protect North Korea at all; it was mentioned many times how North Korea is an oppressive regime with a dismal human rights record. But the point wasn’t that; it was that structural discrimination only leads to further division and worsening of relations. Yes, Japan may be right to oppose the regime, but the video challenges the Japanese ultranationalist rhetoric that discrimination against all North Koreans is acceptable and necessary. Vox goes to lengths to explain how this discrimination only leads them to rely even more on North Korea - have you seen the circular flow diagram in the video? Why do most oppose the North Korean regime? Because it is a threat to the world and an oppressor if its citizens. If the latter is true, then we must in fact hope for the best for their citizens, and to posit that they are brainwashed would necessitate that we acknowledge that it is not their fault they grew up in that environment. It’s possible to oppose the regime and to wish for better lives of their people. It’s possible to side with Japan while also acknowledging societal problems. Painting delicate issues black and white is honestly very dangerous, but unfortunately it is the prevailing trend in collective thought nowadays. I hope we can stop that habit as soon as possible.
Well written! I scrolled down to the comments section expecting people to support the suppressed bubble. Yours is the only one I came across. It's sad how people actively try to ignore the problem.
exactly! people think that identity is the issue, no. the issue lies in the oppressive cycle of dependence in which the identity conversation is embedded in.
Joshua Rommel Vargas i have to reply again because this comment is the essence of the video. people need to realize that everyone was raised differently and that we cant all assimilate in the same way. however, we can oppose what we want and what other people respect without disrespecting their humanity.
The story is a bit different. The Koreans we abducted by the Japanese Empire in the first place. That is like the US army abducting men, women and children that adhere to Al Qaeda, bringing them to the US and then they build a school like that.
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As a Japanese, I feel a strong resentment toward North Koreans living in Japan who act as if they are victims, even though they continue to live in Japan of their own volition. It is extremely strange that people who were born and raised in Japan, a country of freedom and democracy, and who have benefited from technology, should loudly shout "I am a North Korean" and worship the Kim Jong-un regime.
As you can see from the current situation in Asia , tensions are Rising between SK, NK and Japan And though North Korea might lack the capabilities to inavde SK or Japan completely they have the Nuclear might to do so and these North Korean communities in your country might be used as spies to create obstruction for Japan and South Korea during a war So i would suggest that your Country to Jail them in case of a war This might sound extreme but if you import them back then they may take valuable information back with them If you mix them with the society , they could supply strategic information back to North Korea and the Japanese government will have problems identifying a 100k+ So my best advice is to imprison them until the war is ended and after that they can be imported back to North Korea If there would even be one left From Germany🇩🇪
First off, I am Korean. I personally do feel sorry for them, but I don't think it's right for them to continue living in a country while refusing to assimilate into its culture and society. It's detrimental to both their community and the country of Japan. Also, they actively support a regime that threatens to destroy Japan on a daily basis, and then expect the country to be kind to them? It seems very foolish to me. I propose that they either move to South Korea or cut their ties with North Korea and identify fully as Japanese citizens. But the problem I see is, Japan would probably never accept them as their own. Japan is VERY discriminatory against ethnic Koreans, after all. Now would South Korea accept them? Probably. But will they themselves be willing to move to and identify with South Korea, a country that is the polar opposite of a country they were taught to love and pledge allegiance to from birth? Highly doubtable. Or they could move to North Korea, but I think we all know how that'll turn out. The situation is quite sticky.
There are 2.5 million foreigners living in Japan and only Koreans are complaining. And these Koreans have the highest crime rates (40% Yakuza are Koreans); engage in illegal political activities; illegally receive social welfare; destruct historical sites such as shrine and temples; steals corporate secrets and cultures; steal national treasures; kidnap Japanese; smuggle out nuclear and missile parts illegally; perpetrate money laundry to illegally send back money; spread lies domestically and internationally....amongst all other disrespectful behaviors towards Japan, Japanese and its society. There are reasons why Koreans are hated.
Okay, I've seen your other comments and you seem to be heavily influenced by Japanese right-wing nationalist propaganda. Not gonna waste my time arguing with a racist. Bye
Justus Yoon Yours is the first sensible comment I’ve read so far. The whole comment section is either filled eith stupid questions that were answered in the beginning of the video or propaganda of the japanese ultra right wing. Of course what this community is doing is wrong (and more fodder for right wing propaganda) but Japan also didn’t give them many choices. It’s mistakes made by both parties.
Yep, Both sides are incorrect, but in order to stop discrimination against North Koreans in Japan they should seek to find mutual understanding and build projects so they would feel more welcomed in the Japanese society (I mean the Japanese goverment). Unfortunately because most of them are right wing, it's true, it would be harder to reach mutual understanding.. also about the crime rate of Koreans in Japan, I don't know much about it, but feeling unconnected and discriminated against could sure lead you to commit crimes.. I think that's why most people commit crimes, because they feel betrayed by society so they want to betray it back.. that's why there should be support by the government for societies that might be doing more crimes than others and also special programs that would make those people feel more belong and a part of a functioning Japanese society..
This is probably the best episode of borders so far. I never heard about these issues, very interesting, but also seems like it's unlikely to be solved anytime soon.
Why don't they live there, if they're so wealthy and welcomed by NK? I understand where they're coming from to a degree, but these people are completely delusional.
Because their great grandparents were forced to move go japan during colonization. These people probably identify themselves as Japanese since they were born there and their parents were born there. It’s like asking you to pick up and move to a different country if you were born from immigrant parents. Or maybe you aren’t so you will never really understand
I live in Japan and I can tell you this. Many Japanese do not like Korean in general. This is what makes their live miserable, with constant discrimination and polarization in Japan. These people have no choice but to rely the NK organization who is willing to provide an actual safe place and sanctuary for them, where at least they can feel safe without any discrimination. I am not an expert on social behavior, but when one is in a less favorable environment, they will tend to rely on things that can make them safe, or in this case, protect their identity. This can be seen in why many gang members have a broken family or childhood, they have no choice but to choose to join gang because it is the only place that can make them feel important and free to express theirselves. I am not necessarily support the regime, but these kids and NK regime are 2 different issues. 1 is trying to expand their sphere of influence, and 1 is trying to find a sanctuary that can make them secure.
Very interesting. What you call "cultivating Korean cultural identity" I call downright indoctrination. Culture must never be equated to allegiance to a political regime, *especially* the North Korean regime. You also mentioned that most of their ancestry comes from South Korea, and their fixation of North Korea is the result of their past funding, i.e., a completely political issue.
Yes, this it not about cultural identity at all. This is about making money for the North Korean regime. They have many "enterprises" abroad, run by North Koreans, to make money for NK. This is just another case. This isn't at all about allowing people to also retain their cultural identity.
South Korea and North Korea were pretty much the same. Culturally and Ethnically. He said that most of the Koreans chose to go to South Korea. He never said that the Koreans that were taken to Japan were from South Korea. There was only Korea at that time.
Am I missing something obvious here? If Japan is so unhappy with them and they are so unhappy in Japan... why don't they leave? Especially since they believe they will find acceptance and happiness a short distance away? Why stay somewhere you're not wanted and where you don't feel safe?
Angie Holmes Japan is not unhappy with them. They are just being so responsible fot their crimes committed against them. It is also not so simple to kick out all of those people to NK, which is obviously not better place than japan. Also NK is getting advantage from these communities, such as getting money from them and more importantly having good access of information from western world.
I cannot draw an immediate conclusion since this issue is sophisticated. I will list several hypotheses (they could be wrong, so you have to do researches too). 1. These kids grew up in Japan, and their native language (Japanese) is stronger than Korean. Some would not want to leave for that reason. 2. Just because they say “we hate Japan” does NOT necessarily mean they hate Japan. Think about it. If they hold DPRK’s citizenship and say “we love Japan,” then their relatives in DPRK will be endangered. The same thing happens if they refuse to cooperate. They are likely doing their best to spare these relatives. 3. Some of these Korean parents may have their kids live as stateless in Japan. When they are 18, most of them choose to apply for either Japanese or SK citizenship.
Also don't forget that these second and third generation "Koreans" born in Japan receive substantial preferential treatment from the government just to live in Japan, including special income and reduced taxes. This is why most of them do not choose to change their status. They are quite happy.
@Tom Tetreau Well the problem with that is she's an American Citizen so where exactly does she go? If a White American doesn't like America you never hear someone telling them to go back where you came. Also a piece of advice as a born and bred minority, you never tell them go back where you come from since they'll start to doubt whether they truly belong in that country.
North Korean goverment. They benefit from having comunities in other countries (spying) and if they came with their western knowledge of the world it would be a threat for the brainwashing of all North Koreans inside the borders.
Honestly, I have to side with Japan. If you have people in your own country being taught by a foreign power that has over decades threatened to destroy you and kidnapped/killed your own citizens, then you shouldn't have to fund that. Like the guy said, we in the US wouldn't allow a Bin Laden memorial, much less a school, to be built anywhere in the country, so why would they fund a North Korean one? They won't.
Matthew Miller Are you sure? Because they're being forced into a corner right now. Japan won't recognize them as citizens despite being born there and maybe even have one Japanese parent and got no help from SK, only NK. They are getting harassed for wanting to identify with a country that they have never lived in because the country they are living right now treats them horribly. Japan has a long history with discrimination against other Asians. It's kind of like this: you live in a horrivle situation at home, getting screamed and ridiculed and even harassed. And then some guy or girl comes by and they start to help you. You know that they too are doing bad things probably even worse then whats happening in your household but it doesn't matter. They helped you. The others didn't.
Knight of Spirit You are naive and easy to be fooled... It is the Japanese students that are attacked by these Korean students all the time. The Koreans are professional victims. These students are also trained by their teachers to say they are attacked while they are attacking. You can read about this in books written by Koreans who used to play the game of hunting and assaulting Japanese students. Just about every student around him was playing while even the teachers were encouraging. Because there is no diplomatic relationship between Japan and NK, the NKoreans act as if they have quasi-extraterritorial rights and the Japanese police are very weak against them as the issue is so political. Japanese students near Korean schools are terrified of them. They came to Japan for better life or illegally migrated during the Korean War. Also these people chose to be North Koreans instead of South Koreans, meaning they want to be communists, and their ultimate goal is to overturn the Japanese government for a communist revolution. This involves violence, illegal political activities, kidnapping Japanese, smuggling out nuclear and missile parts, illegally sending funds home, sabotaging Japanese society....you name it. That is one of the reason their crime rates in Japan are so high. They need to brainwash these kids for the jihad and for this end they need to prey to the Kim photo everyday. They have already kidnapped many Japanese. They are hiding many automatic weapons, rocket launchers, hand grenades underneath their houses, some of which were revealed after the Hanshin Earthquakes when their house were shuttered. These schools would be illegal on US or South Korean soil, even if they pay for themselves.
Matthew Miller Because these students and teachers didn't commit those atrocities, a fairer parallel would be an afghan school that isn't being funded properly because they are biased toward afghan affairs and ideals, buy still, that's just my perspective, as a non-american or Japanese, I cannot relate to 9/11 or these kidnappings, again it is totally understandable that the government stopped funding these schools, but for me such actions are scaremonuring not logic based. This is an extremely complicated issue so disgusting it peacefully is the best thing we can do.
Honestly, people need to look at this from the perspective of the Chongryon. This community sees North Korea as a country which has been able to support them when the Japanese would not and help give them an identity and I think that is a key perspective to consider. It sad to know the country which supports them takes part in violating human rights and threatens the national security of everyone around them.
@Sean_GNM I agree with that because frankly, I think everyone here is just picking a side to agree for or against public policy (if one may call it that), and not the fact that this community desires only what every human being desires - acceptance and support. Is that too much to consider? Because if that is, then the issues of politics are blinding, where ethics and morals should be there in its place.
agreed honestly. i mean, its a school full of children. both koreans and japanese did wrong and i dont really know which side is good cuz both did bad.
That man that "explained it in a way an american would understand" is completely right 🤞 and the moment he made that example all my empathy died. It's true you can't be experiencing and benefitting from the privilege of a country and still be for the country that's tried to destroy it
I watch stories like this, and I never know what to say. I could never support someone who supports a tyrannical dictator, but I can't support poeple who can even think of putting people at risk. this is a perfect piece. I would not change a single thing about how it was written. It shows the Cause, effect relationship, the people on each side of the issue, and it shows the vicious cycle of persecution of a particular group of people.
They are being willfully ignorant. Most of them come from South Korea, the only reason they choose to support and follow North Korean culture is because their loyalty can be bought. If they would choose to follow South Korean culture (The culture they actually derive from) Japan would be less hard on them. I fail to feel sympathy for a people whose culture and loyalty has been bought entirely.
I mean you are right..They do know about North Koreas terrible history of lack of human rights but they still feel this so called connection to North Korea?? Thats some brainwashing right there.
Skullzi TV heres the thing, what do you know about North Korea? Have you ever been there or have first hand experience? Yet you have strong convictions about what you “know” to be true. They are exposed from a young age to a different set of information, thus they hold that set of information as equally true. It does not speak to their character or intelligence, merely the system and environment in which they were born.
Why would South Koreans even go to North Korean schools in Japan when South Koreans are now becoming richer than Japanese. Korea’s GDP per capita will surpass Japan’s GDP per capita in 2023 according to IMF
@@bloodycinephile it's not about who did more damage u could say Russia Germany or even us kill more people but its the past when resources are limited and people are kinda have a more racist thought but now nk is still continuing their way of torture adn brain wash so we should not support North Korea ideology as these children will follow this ideology and be the next kim
If they feel unsafe in Japan, why can't they go back to North Korea instead? (Well, for me I think it would be very much harder for them if they live in North Korea huh)
This story has me torn, but I have to side with the Japanese education ministry. Yes, everyone should have the freedom to choose their own culture and beliefs. But the government should not have to fund beliefs that threaten their country. Rallies and protests against North Korean beliefs, and groups that support them, should be allowed. I don't think it's fair to call it discrimination in the traditional way when it's activism against a legitimate threat.
The Squaad the question is not so black and white. The reduction of funding merely entrenches biases. If they had open dialogue and negotiations both after the end of WW2 and today the education system can be very different. Heck, the casual acceptance and exposure to NK atrocities (rather then hard denial and shutdown) would probably had the younger generation turning apathetic faster (like most young generation nowadays). the same isolation, disenfranchised feelings, and ridicule in the USA led to the popularism of Trump. The allegory is so strong here...
Shouldn't forget the fact that fascism, nationalism and "great leader" is primarily seen in modern Japanese culture aka they have been quite deplorable to minorities through out history. Not saying nk is awesome cuz we all know it isn't, yet Japan can't be in the right just because the other side is worse than them. My point is that Japan has the history of kkk or 1930-40s Europe attitudes towards minorities molded into their history books and their curriculum... So yeah nk is bad, but being a racist (or just a simple douche) towards shitty people doesn't legitimise anything - you're still being shitty towards shitty people... And not calling it discrimination? Srsly we all sided with the ANTI white supremacy people in Charlottesville - you can't go back now and change the rules of civil justice... Nobody should be discriminated, so you can't cherry pick who gets a free pass and who doesn't. Human rights for all humans, even the shitty ones...
Wow as a South Korean, who has even been to Tokyo multiple times, I was not aware of such communities existing. Thank you so much for the enlightenment, Vox.
Greekvvedge alot of the world is kept in the dark about U.S. Backed regimes, the southern Vietnamese government was in noway Democratic, infact the guy who was in power got 600,000 votes when there was only 450,000 registered voters, not only that he was descriminatory towards Buddhists and trusted no one in the government who wasn't part of his family, and almost NO-ONE who supports the Southern Vietnamese government knew this.
They cry descrimination when they enjoy liberal society of Japan and its infrastructure. They should be sent to North korea and then will realise what discrimination is and how hard life can get.
I do know what he actually is based on what the North Korean refugees are talking about that's going on in NK. Based people sneaking videos inside and recording things to see how the society view their "great leader"
I remember once reading about western nationals spying for soviet union in their homelands because of the ideological reasons in a book by Wiktor Suworow (former GRU agent). According to him, they were called "shiteaters" and widely hated by soviet agents working with them. The reason was, that those people lived they comfortable lives in the west, but helped the soviet regime because of their false image of the living conditions inside the USSR. Those North Koreans living in Japan have no idea what is happening behind the border. They only know their own imaginative image of it. That's both sad and dangerous.
Back in the 70s I lived in Japan for a few years. I well aware of the Chinese citizens, as well as the Koreans living there. I got to know a young Korean woman in a calligraphy class. As I got to know her I figured out that she was not from S. Korea, but the North. She wanted me to come and teach at her local school. I declined. She was also really interested in a trip I was going to take to South Korea with some friends. In hindsight, I'm sure she took that class to be able to contact me.
Send them back to north korea. They will surely miss expressing their feelings like they did on japan. If they do not win win. Motherlnd is based on the land you were born. Not some magical land the teachers fills your head with
11:37 “Ultra-nationalist” and “kindergarten” are two words I never thought I’d hear in the same sentence
Amen Brendan!
welcome to east asia lol
How much do you want to indoctrinate the kids?
Japan: yes
"Banzai nap-time"
Well it’s way easier to radicalize children than adults
It's safe to say I'd rather be a North Korean in Japan then a North Korean in North Korea
sauce boy it’s safe to say I’d rather be an Uchiha in Konoha than a Amegakure shinobi living under Pain’s regime.
@@patriotcraftsboy1046 whatever😂
@@SauceyMan76 I'd rather be a Canadian. Not so many problems as in America.
rather be Japanese in Japan
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A naruto fan, yes that is true
So they 'visited' NK. And already felt kinship, I'm amazed that they have so much empathy but, 'visiting' and 'living' in NK are two very, very different things.
Especially since those visits are very much choreographed to make North Korea look great!
Leigh Tory well they say in the video they are choreographed, if they spent a week in the real North Korea they would integrate into Japanese society faster than those right wing nationalist ever could
Maybe the solution would be to send the NKs back to really live in their cherished homeland for at least 5 years before giving em the option to return. (Edit) Who knows they would even become the right wing Japanese nationalists. Problem solved!
Especially when you only visit Pyongyang (and only the good parts of it)
As said in the video, it made them that way since Japanese were hostile to them. But you're right. I just hope they would think for themselves and stop being influenced.
Never thought I would heard the term “ultra-nationalist kindergartens”
Army babies
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Have you ever heard of american kindergartens?
@@veneering4128 Ah yes, America.
A country where even babies are born with handguns because it...
Patriotic I guess...
And they were not talking about North Korea, they were talking about Japan
As controversial and sensitive this topic might be, the approach of the video should be appreciated.
yes, as an outside view, we know what actually happen, and know both side actually do wrong thing
I’m tell you it’s like how Konoha handled the Uchiha clan.
Indeed.
How is this even controversial?
@@lamBETTERthanY0U it's a sensitive topic
Protecting their culture, language is right.
Worshipping a dangerous ideology is i don't support.
@@dog6376 what copycat?
@@dog6376 then its your fault, you judged quickly & show me from whom i copied.
i agree... but you must be talking about the japanese and capitalism right?🙈
@RobloxThingx I knew there was a cult/nationalistic grups problem in japan, but I didn't knew about the worship of Hiroshito in schools, do you have any article/video talking more about it?
Not ideology but system.
I get the schools trying to preserve their Korean culture and identity.
But to support a dangerous regime is unacceptable
The Korean identity is safe here in South Korea, as well as the North, if it were ever to be a unique culture in itself.
Those schools aren't preserving some culture that will be gone without.
I'm Korean and i agree with you
they probably simply don't know about the terrible things the government has done, or if they do, they probably just deny it (well for the kids, at least)
These aren’t the majority of Koreans in Japan. This is just a section of them.
@@jinx4447 with a name called Alexander righttttt...
I remember watching a documentary about an American eye surgeon and his team who visited N. Korea for a medical mission and operated on citizens with cataract. The people, after they regained there vision, thanked and praised Kim Jong-il and never even thanked the medical team. The documentarist then wondered if they were doing that out of sincere gratitude or extreme fear of the regime.
the regime allowed the doctors to come. Just about any doctor could do the surgery, but only 1 regime can allow it. They're raised with the idea that their leader provides for them despite harsh hostilities from almost every other country, so they put the defense of the country above their own health. If they don't abide the rules they know for sure they and their entire families will suffer even more so this is the best situation they can think of and therefor be grateful to the regime, how counterintuitive it might seem from an external point of view like ours.
It's Dr Sanduk Ruit from Nepal. He is one the finest eye surgeon in the world
@@dasiro It's not like that. Korean War never ended, they're in an armistice. When a socialist country, literaly surrounded by US millitary bases, it is unsafe for the country allow any one in the coutry without supervision. That's why North Korea only allow tourists with professional guides.
When the person praises Kim Jong-Il, it's because there is in North Korea a huge personality cult to the Kim family, beacause they kind of saved Korea from a terrifying war against the USA, that bombed almost a third of the country.
This personality cult isn't exclusive to North Korea at all. In the UK, for instance, Queen Elizabeth II is extremely praised., even in the national Anthen.
They were sincere. They believed the help was given to them by their Leader.
@@dasiro it is nepali eye surgeon
North Korea is like the really cool dad growing up, but you later find out that he did drugs and killed people
Edit: Over a full year later, I’m making this edit just to say that this remains my greatest accomplishment.
Mister Garabaldi lmao
:D
Not really but okay lol
Do you need help?
1203927 move mustard
That guy in the bar is right.
At least Japan is not trying to destroy Korean schools.
Japan is just not willing to waste the taxpayers' money on an organization that worships a dangerous ideology.
It's bonkers that these people think the Japanese tax payer should fund their brainwashing centres *ahem* schools I mean
Well said
He’s not tho. Japan brought these people over, now they’re here, part of your people, you gotta take care of them. Consequences of their own actions.
Stateless Koreans.
Chosen-jin
@@Peace4Leisure91 They always present Japan as the ultimate evil of the time. Thousands of Koreans also have voluntarily moved to Japan before and during WWII to be educated (whether in universities or military academies) or to work because Japan was far more industrialised than Korea was at the time.
wow i never know mixed feeling until i saw this video.
Same though
Bruhhh
@Ian Gilliam i don't think you watch the video truly. these kids see North Korea as heaven. their mindset is already different from us. this backward mindset is not being helped by the Japanese hate for them, so they sought refugee to North Korea. idolizing them. and again, telling these children to go back to North Korea. would you tell an African-American to go back to Africa so they wouldn't feel discriminated?
@Ian Gilliam how is it incomparable. they're human being too are they not?
You probably support the Kim regime right?
"If they love North Korea so much then they should return back there" , saying this sounds racist but no matter what you say it's true. Enjoying the freedom and privileges of living in Japan but staying faithful to a country like NK and turning a blind eye to the atrocities committed by it is pure sedition.
The fact is, they cannot. They know too much about Japan landscape etc..etc..
They can't, they are stateless people. Japan forcibly brought their forefathers from a united Korea at the time, now their descendants will never be accepted as Japanese, nor they will be accepted in either Korea, NK sees them as foreign by this point, SK won't accept their allegiance to the north and while they're now japanese citizens, they will never be seen as Japanese. It's a Limbo.
Hard to enjoy freedom when there’s nationalist threatning your freedom
That's not at all racist to say. Even if you are American and hate America, it's a fair question to ask why you live there if you are free to go. It's very interesting that in this mini documentary he didn't ask this basic question himself. Clearly the children are free to visit and there doesn't seem to be any way for an open country like Japan to stop people leaving. The other thing that he doesn't answer at all is why are the Japanese government giving any funding to a non-Japanese school. You could set up a foreign school in many European countries, but you wouldn't expect the local taxpayers to fund cultural indoctrination. If the cultural values are so strong and important they can find them themselves. It was a really interesting topic that was really poorly handled.
@@NoName-hg6cc You do realise that google maps is a thing, right?
Seems like the smartest move for these schools would be to build a relationship with the South Korean government to secure funding apart from the north while still remaining Korean.
Daniel Hayek first of South Koreans hate North Koreans even more than japan second the school should be shut down there is a difference between teaching a culture and indoctrination
Tye Tass no south koreans hate the north korean regime not its ppl
South korea accepts all north korean refugees and sees them as oppressed brothers
Article 69 bruh no they don’t
or you know, just integrate since they have absolutley 0 in common with actual north korea. they living in fantasy world. Can't they just open den internet??
I'm south korean, in politic, north korean are enemy. So we prepare the war and war is not over in Korea.
Let them live in NK for a month, they will change their thinking quickly
Yeah like seriously if you cried when you left north korea because you were sad why not stay there forever and be executed when you try to leave and get caught
Killstorm55 I know right? And then Vox try to make Japan citizens and officials look like bad guys.. please..Stop normalizing North Korea like its any other country.
Is that really what you got from this video? - That Vox is normalizing NK? lol
It would be heavily choreographed and they would almost live in luxury. There is no way they would allow them to see the conditions of what many of us consider the real North Korea. Imagine it being set up similarly to the tourism in the country they would never allow us to see first hand the terrible conditions in which they live.
Lennon Talbot they did the same thing with the Palestinian Israeli conflict. Palestine was CLEARLY in the wrong (yes I did my research). But they try to make it look like they're not biased. Except YOU CAN'T DO THAT WITH NORTH KOREA AND JAPAN! Also they are clearly democratic.
It's much easier to love North Korea when you live in Japan.
@@yeoj_ Well, they have to.
@@yeoj_ They don't have any other option. It is that or death.
@@jmanaa9969 lol
@@jmanaa9969 worse than death.
The people who love the most in Japan are not the Koreans living in Japan, but the pro-American politicians who are affiliated with the Liberal Democratic Party (自由民主党, jiyūminshutō) who get easy votes every time North Korea announces something sensitive.
Japan's parliamentary elections generally rely on North Korea to do something.
Kids celebrating their Korean ancestry, culture and identity: *I support*
Kids celebrating a harmful regime and its creator: *I don't support*
this is the stance i take. i think protecting the korean minority in japan is important but the state of north korea should not be celebrated.
@@icyr0bin-794 me too
I agree, the culture must be taught
Never been in my life I actually 100% support this
I support the principle, but I'm not going to support them monetarily and the Japanese taxpayers should not be forced to fund the preservation of Korean culture.
Real sad seeing kids getting involved in things like this
They're caught between a battle of two countries.
@@atc5412 how unfortunate
For real kids shouldn't have to grow up like this
Like the kids are making any choices..... it's indoctrination at its finest
Agreed
_"how if they build osama bin laden memorial school in the US?"_
yo, thats hard
Vignette Tsukinose April coming from the nicest demon we know
But that is exactly what it was
Lmao
Well that's not really the case here, since Osama Bin Laden lead a terrorist attack on US Soil killing innocent US Civilians. I fear that's not the case since however your opinion on the North Korean government, they haven't actively inflicted harm against the Japanese dominion.
A more correct approach would be "How would you feel if they build a memorial for Lenin in the US".
Sure someone might not like it, but would that make it wrong?
Well if you say that's phrase is coming from demon, Wesley. It will not stop. It's just so to justify the cause to build a school that supports North Korea regime like, 'Oh you take our citizens to be a sex slave in WW2. So you have to accept our school in your country to keep our regime alive'? It's just like keep tossing hot grenades waiting for the day it blows up. Some side has to stop and throw it down the trash. Getting public executed because you watched movies from Hollywood or Bollywood is not something we want to see it got supported in the 21st century.
"The US and Japan also have human rights issues, fix those before you critisize NK"
This is called leveling, very common defense from an abusive person when called out...
I just wanna know the amount of crimes that the us and uk committed that you are aware of, I’d rather have a nation which is publicly known for its crime then one that hides it and people celebrate it
@@deirse2068 There aren't any countries that hide their past crimes anymore, it just isn't possible in the 21st century.
@@nictheperson6709 china is trying it's best though. just look how much they censor stuff and how much they try to spin thing to make them seem nicer.
@@deirse2068 what are you talking about? While it is not talked enough about for a lot of our likings you learn about all the atrocities that happened on north American soil if your're a us kid.
The only way you wouldn't learn of something is if it was done not too long ago and the history wasn't done being written up on it.
@@nictheperson6709 Germany blocks hitler related vids. I do believe japan does the same when it comes to their history around ww2.
“What about American and Japanese human rights issues”
“Many of these are even more serious”
“Deal with your problems first before you criticize North Korea”
No. Your argument is false. Open the borders, allow freedom of speech, end labor camps, end generational punishments, and stop shooting nukes near your neighbors...
Also I’ll criticize America too! You know why??? because criticizing America is the most American thing you can do.
Note* I’m not saying America and Japan don’t have problems.
that's literally the the whataboutism ppl don't even realise how often they do it
End general punishment ? What is ?
@@keepcoolgames5896 generational punishments, when someone commits a crime in north korea, their entire family can be punished for their own crime. this is meant to dissuade people from trying to escape for fear that their family will suffer as well
@@kaheis4566 thank you for enlightening me
I mean Americas immigrant detention centres are like a dog pound
But were talking about a country that still uses labor camps
It's like if USSR established a Stalin Memorial School in Washington DC.
as the japanese guy in the video said: What if they tried to install an Osama Bin Laden Memorial school in the US
let's do that!
The USA never dislocated Soviet population to Mainland or Off shores US. It's more like if the Chechens built a Chechen school in Moscow with the funding of a Chechen leader whom everyone hates.
杨健 the internet ignores things it doesn’t like
Or if they established an "Adolf Hitler Memorial School and Learning Facility" in Poland or Israel.
It's really a difficult issue. As a Japanese, I feel remorse for our imperialist history, which caused this problem at first, and I wish Korean people could find a place to preserve their cultural identity. On the other hand, it's true that Chongryon indoctrinates Korean people to worship the North Korean Dictatorship. Although I will disagree about most of the things with him, that right-wing activist was right at least partly in saying "what if they built an Osama Bin Laden Memorial School in the US?" I wish Korean people could find an alternative way to preserve their cultural identity. I learned a lot from this video, thank you Vox.
All people in the world
Have ancestors who did evil
War ...torture ...rape ...slaughter
Not because Evil Leaders tell Lies
But because the People believe the Lies
Lies have no power
Belief gives power to lies
Belief makes slaves
Logic breaks the chains
Ok ?
Culture is a Big Cult
If only 100 people
Believed those things
We would call them a Cult
If 100 Million people believe same things
We call it Culture
No ?
@@APEX-qv7rm that's why it's called "cult"ure
@@APEX-qv7rm hold on, so you're telling me culture is a bad thing? I just don't understand what's going on
ガッツイチモツ The Republic of Korea could own the schools instead
I don't know what to say man,
How innocent their minds are ,they're thinking North Korea is like a paradise by looking at maps, culture , visiting on school trips, (tbh their teachers and community are portraying these children false image) & Japanese discriminating them on the other side, both sides there's fault, but i stand slightly towards Japanese. One day they'll realise the reality
I think that those North Koreans(including children) know their countries state of affairs because Japan is a liberal country where all citizens can get information easily. Knowing that, It’s not a bad thing to be proud of their own homeland because the reason why North Korea is in a bad situation is all on Kim Jong un, and denying North Korea’s culture and history is not right. They know about their own country far more than us foreigners.
(I’m sorry. I don’t know if you could understand my bad English💦)
There’s no simple answer to this but I would say both sides are guilty. Though their actions, Japan discriminates which encourages North Koreans to manipulate their young into thinking North Korea is a safeguard while North Koreans remain ignorant to their country’s plight and recent history, enraging the Japanese
The museum is kind of amazing, you have to admit that. Imagine if every country had something similar, a place to remember everything about the country.
My mom is a South Korean citizen.. she was born in Japan but went to a North Korean school in Japan because my grand parents wanted her to keep her Korean traditions. From what she told me they taught Korean history instead of North Korean history. The only reason she didn’t go to a South Korean school was because it was too expensive and she grew up poor.
this comment should receive more attention
Extremely interesting
The lack of likes on your comment shows how many people want to turn a blind eye to another perspective of these schools
My mum is an Indian citizen. She was born in Karachi Pakistan but went to a Hindi language school in India because she was Hindu. Her family fled Pakistan to escape persecution and due to the school being destroyed by locals. My neighbor who is Muslim was taught Indian history rather than Pakistani history. I live in the UK now.
I assume she lives in South Korea now? The problem is the discrimination of Koreans because of these schools.
Poor kids, they don’t know any better.
just imagine if there was a Osama bin laden high school in your city
for a second i thought this was my comment😂great pfp
Don’t get kids involved with the North Korean politics in North Korea they would be rich since they would be classified as loyal and loyal North Koreans are rich but the “hostile” are poor but anyways don’t involve them with politics there just children
They are living in Japan without censored internet and media. They can literally search the sins of North Korean regime and the oppression of the citizens, in 5 minutes. They could know any better, they are just ignorant, and they are 100% at fault.
@@fenrirr22 ...You're calling these students ignorant but I think you're in a similar case. How often do you purposely try to search about atrocities your own country has committed? No one likes to do that, especially at their age....
What's interesting is that they were interviewed in Japanese not korean
Yeah! You'd think they're taught in school to speak their mother language? Especially if they're relatives and friends are mostly korean.
@@kayk6330 Guys, they probably do speak Korean, but the translators only know Japanese, so that's what their speaking in.n
Finally... someone said THAT!
I'm sure they have a pretty good command in Korean, with all their textbooks in Korean and everything. But since these people were born and raised in Japan, I'm guessing they felt more comfortable speaking in Japanese when talking about touchy subject like this
@@Chris-zz9wm They probably speak the North dialect of Korean which is not the same as the south actually, so finding a translator might indeed be hard.
During their school trip they will probably see the good parts of N.Korea. When they move there, they will probably understand what this country really is like.
I miss 17th century North Korea
Vox, I think this is an excellent documentary explaining the complex and hidden issue of Koreans in Japan. Well done and I appreciate it!
But there is an important fact you missed mention why all this happen.
Do you know why Korean community in Japan received money from the North Korea, not from the South Korea, after Japanese Empire fell. And that was the start of this awkward situation and tragedy for the Koreans in Japan. I was curious about it and people who watched this video might have the same question.
During the Japanese rule of Korean peninsula 1910 - 1945, Japan built most of the industrial complex in the northern Korea where there are plenty of natural resources such as hydro power generation, coal, etc. In addition having industrial and military base close to Chinese border made more sense for the Japan in the goal of expanding the empire into China. On the other hand southern Korea was used as an agricultural basis producing mainly rice.
So when the 2nd World War ended, South Korea was much poorer than North Korea up until 1970, thus no extra resources to share with Koreans living abroad for the struggling government of South Korea.
There is one more thing that I would like to mention. Do you know why Koreans in Japan(North Korean citizens) still support and loyal to North Korea?
It's because they have many family members and relatives who lives in North Korea now. During 1955 -1970, many Koreans in Japan emigrated to North Korea lured by the communist propaganda of free education, medical service, and communist Utopia.
The North Korean community in Japan already knows that North Korea is the worst country in the world run by the horrible dictatorship of Kim's family. But when they stop supporting the regime and stop sending money to their brothers and sisters in North Korea, it will definitely make their families and relatives hard to survive.
Following link is a testimony of two Koreans. One male, born in Japan, emigrated to North Korea, escaped to South Korea via China, and the other female, born and lived as North Korean in Japan, living in South Korea now but her brothers living in North Korea.
Sorry the interview is in Korean.
th-cam.com/video/pMC2G7akiiM/w-d-xo.html
sean yee
thanks, you deserve more likes
Thank you for the insightful comment. It's nice to see someone actually contribute with valuable information on the issue, as opposed to the hateful and reductionist one-liners that comprise most of this video's comment section...
Thanks alot for this info. Answered alot of my questions
I thought they were still supporting North Korea because North Korean government was providing them money and culture they never had. Man, after reading your comment it absolutely makes sense. Thank you very much.
this information is indeed very important to understand this story, thanks for shading some more light on the background. a shame it was not a part of the video..
The solution for me is obvious: South Korea needs to start funding these schools
Henrique Vargas actually there are already some schools supported by rok government in japan, but the number is very limited. The north is much stronger than the south in brainwashing.
That's kind of actually brilliant.
Japanese government must takeover these schools and give them to South Korea. We can't side on the north Koreans in Japan. If they love it North Korean dictatorship they can move it
@@crimea2513I am Canadian, I think
Canada must take over the world
Canada will become the Great Empire
You will become a Canadian
I will be the Great Leader
@@APEX-qv7rm I don't think anybody would be that mad if y'all door 😂😂😂
*Having pride from where you came from is one thing, but this is a whole different ball park*
Luis Sanchez youre very bold.
Crispy Terone What u said is true......but in this case North Korea doesn’t allow people from different nationalities to settle there.......even tho they are non residential Koreans
Crispy Terone some patriotism is good, but there is a line where it goes to far
I'm proud of my family's German heritage and Ich can speak Deutsche reasonably well, but I don't family pride in our heritage or genealogy to a Central European country would necessarily gain me entry into a exclusive German-speaking school in Alabama much less there being any support for any such schools existing. Why would the current German government support any specific German-language schools in the USA and we reciprocated by giving our hard-earned money to them. That makes no logical sense, but then again Germany isn't a totalitarian dictatorship, despite its militaristic past, and the evil, unforgivable crimes committed by the Third Reich in the death and concentration camps and a calculated wars of aggression that nearly led to an extinction event. Then there's the crimes and authoritarian secret espionage state of East Germany and the StaatSecurityService, State Security Service, or the Stack, probably one of the diabolical, clever, evil, ruthless secret polices ever to exist. These guys at their best made the KGB, CIA's Cointellpro, NSA look like choir boys during the Cold War and that's saying something.
@Crispy Terone yup
as a Japanese the problem is the education both Japanese and North Korean receive and media that constantly promotes the hate towards each other. I understand there’s a dark history and it’s never easy for anyone to get over everything completely but we’ve got something better to do than just hating and blaming on every single thing one or the other..
Aw... The media promotes the hatred. Is there any benefits the media gets from it?
せやな、拉致被害者を救える議員を国会に送り出そう。
North Korea has never forgiven South Korean or Japan for what happened during WW2. It's almost a reliable source of fear-mongering that the atrocities committed towards the small country would happen again if they even considered being more open.
"Look at your problems first before criticizing NK"
A classic dialog to dodge difficult questions
well considering the US still has tons of racism and disparity within their society, the statement is valid, but it is a deflection tactic.
Didn't Benjamin Franklin said something similar like that before?
"Wipe your finger before you point out their spots"
Whataboutism; not surprising it's used by NK considering the Soviet Union/Russia really pioneered it, using it successfully against the US/West.
Y'all really like NK
@bigricester Aspiring Marauder is literally using the correct political science terminology for how the Soviet Union deflected criticism during the Cold War.
Assaulting young student is not moral or civil. But this school shouldnt be allowed.
@@Bobspineable more evil than the US government?
@@elton7425 at least you're able to speak out and many organizations will stand behind you
@@elton7425 Yes, more evil than the US government you dunce
@@joshpark5454 That's bs. No government on the face of the earth is more evil than the US government.
@@elton7425 Sorry to bust your bubble, but it is.
It's not opinion based but based on factual evidence throughout history and current standings. Do actual research you dolt.
The irony is these North Korean nationalists are all speaking in Japanese because their Korean isn't fluent enough.
If I were a hard-liner Korean. I would request that I must be interviewed in Korean. Symbolism matters.
I have a friend who had to go North Korean school in Japan. She can speak fluent Korean and Japanese. She said she had to spend 2 weeks in NK for school. Don't think she cared for it. Too me though she was 100% Japanese.
I believe to survive in Japan they had to blend in with fluent Kanji
Waw sounds you know everything
Always lossless lol
I think the Japanese government should sanction Joseon schools. As a Korean I think that school is abnormal, too.
7:23 _What if they built an Osama Bin Laden Memorial School in the US? How would you fell?_ that's so accurate it hurts
@@yuchenzhoujack2708 doesn't this alr happen lol
@@yuchenzhoujack2708 with all due respect many Muslims love america; im one of them :) please don't spread Islamophobia
@@angel_aki there's a small difference... I don't feel any resentment, I'm extremely neutral as a minority also.
Atleast you don't have muslim schools who teach basically anti American and Japanese culture.
You have people who had a view against the majority of the people who had views different from their hive mind. Or hive mind they don't even know that exists...
They pray to the Kims who kidnapped those people and are starving and torturing their citizens
@@angel_aki maybe Muslims love America, but a lot of Americans don't like Muslims. I'm Muslim too, for the record (not trying to spread hate).
They are supporting the regime. Did they expect Japanese to still be friendly with them? 🙄
@Jacky Phantom I mean considering the amount of attrocities the Japanese committed during ww2 to China and Korea the hate is sort of justified
Also...kanji...
@Jacky Phantom you forget that ww2 is less than 100 years ago
The koreans in the vid didnt just "come "to japsn, they were BROUGHT there during the Japanese emperium
@Jacky Phantom two things, firstly "Koreans" are not more sensible, I believe you mean South Koreans. Secondly you should be breaking a sweat for the US as well. Considering if that we are heavily tied to Japan.
@@StrangerOnTheWeb nope that argument doesn't work. No hate can ever be justified by things that happened in the past. Especially when it was done by someones ancestors. The Japaneses hate is now justified however, considering the atrocities committed daily by the evil NK.
south korea should seize the opportunity to save them. give them more fundings than the north korean government gave them.
i was thinking about this too, but i don’t think sk would want to undermine NK as the current sk prime minister really really wants unification and is rather soft on nk for these reasons. maybe one way to do things is for the japanese government to show more cooperation with the south korean government, to show that they aren’t anti korean but they refuse to support a harmful regime. problem is jpn prime minister is very nationalistic
the Pro-SK organization(simply called Mindan) has their own schools already. Embracing Chongryon's schools is beyond the imagination in the history of their own confrontation.
They refuse any kind of south korea government intervention. South korea government is enemy to them.
That's not....how...
@@nnnyel How what?
The idea that no country can criticize another unless they themselves are flawless just creates a world where no one can speak up for the victims of human rights violations. We all must hold each other AND our own governments accountable.
When the world's most powerful Empire who has killed tens of millions around the world, started dozens of wars, military dictatorships and commits war crimes all the time, and tries to use supposed human right abuse so they can embargo and starve a tiny nation that has been bombed to the stone age by them 70 years, that might be a little hypocritical and disgusting, don't you think
While I do believe that harassing these children is wrong, I won't blame the Japanese government if they completely cut off funding to these schools and asked these kids to attend regular Japanese schools instead.
I wouldn't fund a shool, that heavily honors a family of dictators, that threat the very country those shools are standing with nuclear attacs. Nah, defenetly wouldn't do that either.
Fundings from japanese government is insignificant. these nk residents in japan are wealthy, controlling some big companies. They fund themselves
@ i wouldn't allow those korean children in a japanese schools since the japanese has a high conviction rate because they beat people to confess to crimes they 99% didn't commit. I rather see those kids in the korean schools where they are SAFE and not harass or mocked
I do agree but that goes into a possible loss of culture
They'd have to be granted Japanese citizenship first...
"it's like taking these kids hostage to play diplomacy" 6:26
weren't we just talking about how that's exactly what north korea did????
That doesn't make it right for Japan to do it to the koreans kids who don't know any better.
@@melli7193 I kinda agree with you but there is a massive difference between kidnapping and defunding schools. Yes you could argue that but these children have family's they got to live yes they dont deserve the hate. But as north Korean missile attacks increase there is so much genuine fear in the hearts of the japanese
I kind of understand what you mean, 'cause I thought the same, however, discrimination against children who were raised to believe in NK as a safe space isn't right. The violation of human rights in NK, including the ones of the japanese taken there, doesn't justify using children for diplomatic purposes. I mean, they are children, their world view is mostly the one they're taught, as said in the video, Japan's hate only increases the love those ppl have for NK.
They didnt kidnap for diplomacy though...
@@VioletVagabond272 Has Japan paid reparations to these people?
They were literally all brought over as conscripts and slaves. I'll bet you most of their lost funding comes from taxes they pay.
Japanese-Koreans didn't take those kids.
While Japan definitely took all 600,000 of them from Korea.
Japan is in the wrong here. Nobody supports NK for no reason, unless the alternative is worse.
There is a gap in knowledge between the two sides; this video highlights that the Koreans in Japan go visit NK and see only a highly choreographed presentation on how "great" it is to live under that regime in that economy. If they actually had to live there, and felt the oppression and poverty, they would not love the regime so much.
The proper solution, I think, would be for the Japanese to educate the Koreans living there on what North Korea is actually like, perhaps give them a graduation ceremony trip to South Korea and have them listen to the stories of those who have fled from NK. They would likely listen more to other Koreans than to Japanese. America did not win the Cold War simply by hating Russians; there were concerted efforts to show that Communism was different from Russians or Polish people etc. and unveiling the poverty and cruelty to those suffering under them was a key component in showing how different one system was from another. The Japanese Koreans here seem to lack that information because they exist only in their "bubble." Rather than simply hating and trying to undermine them, the Japanese should (and perhaps are) try to pierce the bubble with information.
@Joseph Daigo Peto Correction. Thanks to America. The same applies to Japan as well. Had the Americans not gotten actively involved in East Asia, you'd already be under the PRC's sphere of influence.
But they have the information. They reject it. You heard the guy: Think of your own problems, many of which are greater than any in North Korea, before you criticize. That's not a guy who doesn't know. That's a guy who knows it all, _and likes it better than Japan, and better than the West._ It's really important to listen to what people are saying, rather than second guess the reasons why they are saying it.
Would you let saudi arabia teach you and your kids on how hostile and bad the US is to the middle eastern countries ?
Thats the case with north koreans.
Korea in Japan is hard to explain because there is 3 group of Korean in JP. 1st is the immigrant from South Korea who move to JP in early 1980 to get a better live in JP. 2nd is the Korean who pick North Korea as their identity for many reason for example like refugees from Jeju who fleed to Japan because the SK treatment of communism in post Korean war. 3rd is the Pre-Korean War Korean who not affiliated to south or north Korea or the Joseon people. So talking about Korean in Japan and their affiliated either to south or north or neither both is complicated because so many reason for them to choose
The problem is, Chongryong seniors will do any effort they can to prevent their children from accepting the reality of North Korea. Actually they themselves put their children in captivity, shutting out real information and common sense of outside world.
It's a tiny nitpick, but at 0:48, the caption reads 東京市 Tōkyō-shi or "City of Tokyo". This municipality doesn't exist, and it's technically 東京都 Tōkyō-to, the "Tokyo Metropolis".
in official documents it is simply “都” i hear ww
@@icyr0bin-794 Eh maybe. After all, there is only one in the country. When talking about all Japanese prefectures together, they say 都道府県 todōfuken, because there are actually four kinds.
8:39 He has no idea about lack of human rights in north korea.
Their attitude reminds me of my mother, when we were learning about how bad Mao was my mom refused to hear it, saying that the deaths would happen anyway. I realize that it is not to the same level but it did remind me of her. (p.s she is from china)
Exactly. Even though the US and Japan do have history of human rights violations, #1 the human rights violations aren't comparable. It's like comparing shoplifting to bank robbery. And #2, that doesn't make their human rights violations ok because others have them. I wish the guy interviewing him had followed up with admitting the US does have rights violations and we as citizens fight against them all the time, what does he do against the NK violations...
Anushka Sati
IKR our (US) human rights violations. Everyone had rights freedom of relglion peace. We have welfare programs. We really dont have human rights violations
U have no idea what USA is doing right now.
@@arsfra i do.
I don't understand how it's even acceptable to teach kids to pledge allegiance to some other country while they and their parents were born and raised in Japan. Teaching them Korean language and culture is great but I don't get why they even have the pictures of the NK leaders in the school, neither why do they have to respect them.
History is as valuable into shaping the future.
Just because it happened in the past, it doesn't mean it's not going to happen in the future.
Because that's what makes a democracy superior to an autocracy- the freedom of choice. You can't punish people for believing in something that you find unsavoury long as they aren't doing anyone any harm. They keep to themselves and don't encourage kids to revolt against the Japanese government. They're just a cult.
@@zippyparakeet1074 exactly 💯 👏
@I have an interest in North Korea I wouldn't agree with it, no. But they do have a right to freedom of speech long as they don't call for violence.
North Koreans: /tests missiles close to Japan borders and kidnaps Japanese citizens/
Japanese: /cuts education funding to North Korean school/
North Koreans: /surprised Pikachu face/
North Korean children living in Japan:
/gets discriminated/ huh north korea is pretty cool
Japanese nationalists: /surprised pikachu face/
Its not all black and white
JuBBle And they were the ones that occupied and ravished Korea before the Korean War. They are not innocent in this either
JuBBle And they were the ones that occupied and ravished Korea before the Korean War. They are not innocent in this either
From a neutral point of view
This all happened because of Japan. They should have integrated this NK people to their culture shouldnt have allowed those school that taught NK history. This NK people that live in japan should change their attitude shouldnt live in a country and support another that threatens with nuclear war with the country you are staying with and enjoy all the freedom. Technically you are all from south Korea as per video so because NK send you money now you have obligation to them.
NK people understand this fact Japan allowed you to have your own schools allowed you to have your culture gave you all the rights
Dont think it as Japan's weakness
Lol what Japan did to NK was much worse
kind of feels like they're able to be nostalgic about the "great leader" because they've never lived under him or had to deal with the consequences of his leadership
Japenese person: exists
North Korean kidnapper: hippity hoppity you're now kim's property
This is sad, Alexa play, Despasito 😔
Our father’s*
😂
Now tge turn tables....
Japan did it first:/ both are in the wrong
I don't see any reasons the Japnese governent should financially support pro-North Korean schools. They're not Japanese in the first place.
James Dad buuuuuuut daaaaaaaaaad
They're half Japanese and have the right to manifest their culture. But I understand the Government should not help them because of the NK government
@@nathofmann8169 lol, to that I'd ask would the North Korean gov support Japanese schools in North Korea?
That’s kinda racist, just because you don’t come from the same country...
Sky TrexZ Let’s have an example, shall we? If I’m Turkish and you’re Syrian, and apparently Turkey is invading Syria, would it be ideal that the Syrian Government financially support Turkish schools in Syria? That certainly wouldn’t be okay. You said that just because they’re not from the same country doesn’t mean the government shouldn’t help them, but let’s be realistic, those schools are against Japanese education in the first place. In addition, those two countries, Japan and North Korea, don’t have such an amazing relationship and there are no rules that said the Japanese Government must financially support North Korean schools. It’s not all sunshine and rainbows, because if those North Koreans didn’t want to live in Japan, why don’t they return to North Korea? From what I’ve heard, they’re pretending that they’re the victims even though they’re not.
Interesting how none of the Koreans spoke Korean in the interviews.
Probably because they only had a Japanese translator
Or maybe because since some of them live in Japan they can speak Japanese
Yeah if you have lived in a country for enough time and went their when your young enough, you would be able to speak their national language.
I'm korean and I can speak english and spanish fluently enough even though I have only lived abroad for 2 years.
@Mike Hunt actually Kim jong-un is a real Korean and he appeared on the video although he did not speak
They were born there, what's interesting about that???
“Old men have to stand on the streets to protect the children.” Ok but every Japanese elementary school does that.
Exactly
but they clearly need it because Japanese people go bananas when they see a korean, just ask any korean grandma
Theyre not protecting them for the same reasons and you know that.
One very important point that Vox fails to express clearly is that there are two Korean organizations in Japan, one representing the South Korean government, and the other the North. In fact, over the decades since the de-legitimization of North Korea and the Eastern Bloc, the Chongryon (North Korean) organization has dwindled and the South Korean organization (Mindan) has nearly doubled.(they were once nearly equal, with the North being somewhat dominant) These people for some reason, though speaking Japanese as their first language and living in Japan have chosen, for complex reasons, to remain affiliated with North Korea. Some of these correlated with discrimination they have received in Japan, and some requiring a more nuanced analysis.
thanks for the info
I was about to explain that. The South Korean organization (Mindan) is composed of Koreans who wanted to be affiliated with South Korea instead of the north. And as of now they clearly outnumbered the Koreans who claim to be affiliated with North Korea.
Thanks for that explanation. I had a hard time wrapping my mind around the idea that all these Korean descendants would remain loyal to North Korea. Now this makes a lot more sense.
I thought they briefly explained the split in Korean expats.
One of the few Westerners who understands what's going on
Send those kids to North Korea, their tune will change quickly.
By the 2008 crisis the japanese goverment gave brazilians almost 3k usd to come back to Brazil. I see how they could do the same to these so patriotic NK.
Let’s send you please. I heard North Korea is a great place for the blacks son.
Rizgar Ghaf ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) yeah how about no.
@@rizgarghaf4758 loser
@@rizgarghaf4758 who hurt your feelings kid?
Although allowing a separate North Korean school on Japanese soil may seem like the right thing to do, it is a divisive policy that ensures ongoing separation for generations to come. Consider what happened in Singapore when cultural integration was mandated by a series of public housing initiatives. Generations ago, people of different cultures were required to live together in apartment buildings, requiring multicultural cooperation and at least an element of understanding and respect for neighbors. There was no effort to enforce language bans, though most citizens ended up bilingual. Instead of sliding into chaos, Singapore has risen to be considered the least corrupt and most successful city state in the world. Multiculturalism only works when there is a foundation of mutual respect. Often that begins in schools, so children raised in a homogeneous monoculture start out with a major disadvantage. It should never be about 'us' vs 'them'.
Ell Lee
?????????
You are so naive. You can talk about any fantasy you want if you do not have to back up.
It is Koreans who chose to be Koreans. There is no reason for Japan to make neutralization easy for illegal migrants, yakuzas, people who do not obey Japanese Law and criminals.
It is Koreans that disguise themselves as Japanese using Japanese name and lie that the Japan took names away. It is very hard to change surname in Japan.
Just think why only Koreans are hated in Japan. It is because they engage in illegal activities and behave so badly in Japan. And when they are accused, they play victims. They are the biggest liars and professional victims.
If you want to stay in other country, then respect the culture and tradition, follow the laws and rules of society. If you cannot do that, then just leave.
Simple as that with any other country. It is NOT your country but it is a Japanese country.
Koreans should be deported as the original agreement said. Their permanent residence was for two generations, and they should go home as such.
BELLOBLOCK
Because they want to stay as Korean.
BELLOBLOCK
They want all the goodies in Japan but do not want to take responsibility.
The answer is NO.
I stay in singapore and we learn to respect others from school, having racial harmony day celebrated every year in school, teaching us about how the racial riot was started and ended in the 1960s.
Singapore has been independent only for the past 50+ years. And before that, it was a British Colony, where people of different races and religions had arrived from different parts of the world to work, from countries like Malaysia, India, China, and even as far as Holland.
We have 4 official languages (English, Melayu, Tamil and Mandarin) so, we so our best to integrate each others' culture and beliefs. Not saying that we have a perfect system, every system definitely has its pros and cons.
Love how these start with the title and then devolve into a historical lesson, context......then geopolitics....amazing piece
I feel so much sympathy for these people. They were born in a country that didn't want them, and their homeland is a place that has no respect for human rights or freedom. What they understand of NK is a superficial benevolent image that is their benefactor. I have no doubt that if they started living there for a while, they would become disillusioned fast and realised how much better they had it in Japan ... but only if they lived as and pretended to be a Japanese citizen. Else, they'd get prosecuted. This is really heartbreaking.
Even the third and fourth generations born in Japan have not taken Japanese citizenship and are living as foreigners. That's the problem. There are many people who are living as Japanese, and it is not difficult for them to get Japanese citizenship, in fact they are given more privileges than other foreigners for doing so. No one is opposed to them preserving their culture and history. So why do they choose to live that way? This is because there is a system that is built using them, and there are people who would not like to see it go away. In the past, tens of billions of yen a year were sent to NK by them for years, and there were ships going back and forth to NK regularly. Since they can no longer do that freely, they have became more vocal about discrimination than ever before, not only in Japan but also overseas. This video is designed to make you feel sorry for them. A kind person like you should be careful not to let such things take advantage of your feelings.
@@matildasaito9416 I try my best to be reasonably kind, be moderate, and try to see an issue from both sides. However, this does not mean I'm not careful around possible bad actors nor lack awareness of possible outside influence. It also does not mean my current philosophy can be easily changed.
@@matildasaito9416 where did you get the information at the top about third and fourth generation Koreans not having citizenship?
yea
Preserving cultural identity is important but worshiping a leader who promotes regional security instability and committing human rights violations in an unprecedented level is a disgrace to them. I hope that the Japanese government will take more peaceful actions to educate that Korean minority group about the wrong doings of the North Korean regime. #regionalstability
Won't happen, cause they are taught propoganda and brainwashing at school 😒
The thing is most of them came from the southern part of the Korean Peninsula. This isn’t about old cultural customs, this is nationalism.
Some of them is descendant of people who are refugees that leave their land because SK treatment to them in post Korean War like from Jeju for example.
The US promotes regional security instability.
North Korean Girl: Her crime? Watching a Hollywood movie
US: *Hold my Flag*
@SwagetLeFaget don't feel too much sympathy for black people, cuz I'm black and I get discriminated against all the time because I ended up being lighter than almost all of them. I can't help that I almost look white and yet I've been threatened time and time again. Now I know the prejudice against black people is terrible my family has been in this situation pretty much forever as a as well as most black families,,, but I am experiencing something called colorism where people of your own race hate and discriminate you because you happen to be either lighter or darker than them
@@justarandomf-4gphantom170 this world is sick
@@justarandomf-4gphantom170 I heard such story from one guy. No one group like him no other. He was kind of lonely wolf
I know how to take down north Korea ask China and the US will join with China and assasinata the Kim family
@@justarandomf-4gphantom170 Yeah, if we could see others as just people and not colours it would go a long way towards helping, but then you still have the LBGTQ etc etc............... prejudice is a mind set :(
It would be helpful for context and to see how Japan really treats people to compare to Southern-identifying Japanese-Korean experiences. Chongryon are a small subset even among the Zainichi community.
It’s like putting a Cuban school backed by the Castros in Florida
sounds good to me.
@@FirstNameLastName-qt2hz no
So true.
I think I can speak for most Floridians when I say as long as I can get some cheap coca, it's no problem.
Or having an American jail in Cuba....
It is amazing how despite all the insistence on their Korean identity they speak primarily Japanese and has identical mannerisms. BTW the repeated reference to "language as their cultural barrier" didn't go noticed.
There is a difference between culture and complete ideology and obedience.
Sadly this school does not support protecting the culture of NK but more of idolising the Kim dynasty.
But.. idolising the Kim legacy IS NK culture. They've been brainwashed from everyone around them since birth, and everything about NK is the Kim family.
>Doesn't realise western culture IS idolising consumerism
Communism bastardised every culture it took over: North Korea, China, Vietnam, you name it.
There is no "culture of NK" is the thing. There's Korean culture. But that North/South divide is pretty much entirely geopolitical amd circumstantial, not cultural.
So, cleverly, the DPRK positions itself in propaganda as *the* Korea, the purest protector of Korean culture as a whole. On the surface, it easily seems that way b/c the political situation has prevented the same level of Westernization that occured in South Korea/ROK. That's part of how they engender misguided, romanticized loyalty to the regime in the disapora (e.g., Chongryon).
Jay Williams
Making that your point is like having someone say
“We shouldn’t rape babies”
And then responding to it with
“I bet you don’t realize you like ice cream.
how can we be nice to them when these people actively insult Japan, refuse to cooperate with us and doesn't blend into the society? We always tell them to go back to north korea if they love kim so much but they just go silent and don't say anything. I guess they do realise that they have to rely on Japan.
我は官軍我（わが）敵は 1
天地容れざる朝敵ぞ
敵の大將たる者は
古今無雙（双）の英雄で
之に從ふ兵（つわもの）は
共に慓悍（ひょうかん）決死の士
鬼神（きしん）に恥（はじ）ぬ勇あるも
天の許さぬ叛逆を
起しゝ者は昔より
榮えし例（ためし）あらざるぞ
敵の亡ぶる夫迄（それまで）は
進めや進め諸共に
玉ちる劔（つるぎ）拔き連れて
死ぬる覺悟で進むべし
皇國（みくに）の風（ふう）と武士（もののふ）の
其身（そのみ）を護る靈（たましい）の
維新このかた廢（すた）れたる
日本刀（やまとがたな）の今更に
又（また）世に出づる身の譽（ほまれ）
敵も身方も諸共に
刄（やいば）の下に死ぬべきぞ
大和魂ある者の
死ぬべき時は今なるぞ
人に後（おく）れて恥かくな
敵の亡ぶる夫迄（それまで）は
進めや進め諸共に
玉ちる劔（つるぎ）拔き連れて
死ぬる覺悟で進むべ
Do you miss your glorious Empire do you Miss emperor Hirohito and minister of War Hideki Tojo..
they wouldn't be there if the japanese hadn't kidnapped their ancestors
@@joannacho646 歴史を勉強してください
何度も帰るチャンスを与えています
"Deal your own problem first"
Umm...it is their problem
This is an interesting example of how reproach can intensify mutual hatred and issues. If the Japanese embraced them fully, I wonder if they would feel the need to stay so staunchly loyal to North Korea.
Yes, definitely
I think if the N.Koreans in Japan experienced less resistance from Japanese nationals they would feel more at home in Japan, not immediately but generations later. However, I don't think that Japanese nationalist would change their opinion anytime soon simply because of controversial topics that still lingers (Yasukuni, Comfort Women, textbook revisionism).
i don't think it's about the government, it's about the people. even if the government want to and people don't,. they have nothing to do
How can Japanese people embrace the people from the country which kidnapped many innocent Japanese people? It is not about the “hate” or “racism”, we fear them.
Megumi Yokota was just 13 years old when she was kidnapped in 1977, and she has not returned yet. Her parents worked hard to bring her back, but her father had died several years ago and her mother in her late eighties is still waiting for her in vain. As she is not the only one who hasn’t returned, the problem is still far behind from the solution.
I’m sorry if this offended you, but it is always so easy to complain and to be too idealistic about what does not affect you.
@@richardbutchermann7647 didn’t they say that most Korean Japanese people are southern Korean? They supporter nk but are actually from the south
If they love North Korea so much, why just don't move there and never get back to Japan? They say they were crying when leaving NK, let them live there for a year and ask which country they prefer.
pedroviskinho
That is definitely a acting.
For North Korean people, it is decided that "North Korea is the paradise on the ground" by the doctrine of "Juche idea".
So that, if they do not show sadness like Adam and Eve of the leaving Eden, they are punished later.
They originally moved to Japan for their own reasons when the Korean land was conquered by Japan. They are staying because of those reasons. Japan may be different economically or have different opportunities, so they stay in Japan.
Matthew Champlain so your hating on the "North Koreans" in Japan because they support something? That's like me hating on you because you support a type of a religion or if you don't.
Matthew Champlain
It's not necessarily North Koreans that are the problem, the majority of them have been brainwashed by their dictatorship, which is the real issue.
They cry probably because they saw the run downs and the people's lives that they can't save.
North Koreans: “Imma praise you my leader”
Kim Something: “Here in Korea?”
North Koreans: “No, there in Japan. Laterr…”
Those smooth animations are dope.
easy ease. everything.
what? im talking about easy ease in after effects.
i think the issue here isn't that they're Koreans ... is that they PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO A FOREIGN REGIME. You were born in Japan, you were raised in Japan, what's the issue with taking a citizenship. There are Muslim communities in Japan, small, but still work on the same basis. There are Chinese neighborhoods in Japan that operate on the same basis. A figurehead isn't a culture. You want to keep your folk stories, your traditions, your dresses and your rituals, that's fine, but why are you staying in a nation AND pledging allegiance to a regime/dictatorship that wants nothing but to wipe you off the map? Am I missing something here?
citizenship?*
The issue is that Japan isn't accepting the Koreans. North Korea is the only country that funds their schools, so that's the only place these Koreans feel like they belong to. But they can't be a citizen of North Korea itself because they weren't born in North Korea, and North Korea has very strict immigration laws.
You are SWEARING LOYALTY to an allegiance in direct opposition to the nation of your dwelling. That's like having a tenant who's friends with someone who firebombs your garden and continues to associate with said firebomber.
Yes you are missing something, the fact these people aren't native Japanese people and they didn't choose to immigrate to Japan.
The Japanese occupied their homeland, they killed and abducted their families and forcefully relocated them to Japan.
"Thats like having a tenant who's friends with someone who firebombs your garden"
First of all, Korea hasn't bombed or invaded Japan, actually the opposite lol Japan invaded and occupied Korea, they killed, tortured, raped, abducted and imprisoned Koreans. What does North Korea do? Make some threats and fire missiles a couple hundreds kilometers off Japans shores? Can't really compare the two, Japan was worse.
Second of all, the correct analogy would be having an unwilling tenant who's grandparents you kidnapped, forced into sexual slavery, imprisoned on your property and tried to rid them of their cultural.
Don't you think it would be reasonable that tenant dislikes you and aligns themselves with a nicer landlord who actually supports them and doesn't have a history of oppressing their family?
Adrian Arshad your comment can stop this issue
+Wayne Johnson
The "neighbour" was given many chances to return, both with sponsorship and such. The "neighbour" has been given special privileges and systems to ease their citizenship process. The "neighbour" outright rejects all of these and then cries foul when their institutions are rife with scandals, refused government funding, and receive stigma from the community, ALL communities of japan. Even the chinese.
I think most of the comments here lack nuanced understanding. Sociocultural issues aren’t binary; it shouldn’t be black and white, us vs. them.
I don’t think Vox was trying to protect North Korea at all; it was mentioned many times how North Korea is an oppressive regime with a dismal human rights record. But the point wasn’t that; it was that structural discrimination only leads to further division and worsening of relations. Yes, Japan may be right to oppose the regime, but the video challenges the Japanese ultranationalist rhetoric that discrimination against all North Koreans is acceptable and necessary. Vox goes to lengths to explain how this discrimination only leads them to rely even more on North Korea - have you seen the circular flow diagram in the video?
Why do most oppose the North Korean regime? Because it is a threat to the world and an oppressor if its citizens. If the latter is true, then we must in fact hope for the best for their citizens, and to posit that they are brainwashed would necessitate that we acknowledge that it is not their fault they grew up in that environment.
It’s possible to oppose the regime and to wish for better lives of their people. It’s possible to side with Japan while also acknowledging societal problems. Painting delicate issues black and white is honestly very dangerous, but unfortunately it is the prevailing trend in collective thought nowadays. I hope we can stop that habit as soon as possible.
Absolutely correct.
Thank you!
Well written! I scrolled down to the comments section expecting people to support the suppressed bubble. Yours is the only one I came across. It's sad how people actively try to ignore the problem.
exactly! people think that identity is the issue, no. the issue lies in the oppressive cycle of dependence in which the identity conversation is embedded in.
Joshua Rommel Vargas i have to reply again because this comment is the essence of the video. people need to realize that everyone was raised differently and that we cant all assimilate in the same way. however, we can oppose what we want and what other people respect without disrespecting their humanity.
I just feel bad for the children, they are caught up in this mess and are innocent.
Never had heard of this issue. Great job of highlighting such a complex topic.
In an alternate universe they had an independence movement and became East Korea
First Name, Surname
And then west
@@residenteye6818 theres actually korean communities in the west, in china and in post soviet countries in central asia lol
In an Alternative Universe Everyone is JAPANESE 🗿🗿🗿
7:23 "what if there was an osama bin laden memorial school in the US? how would you feel?" I get where these Japanese people are coming from...
The story is a bit different. The Koreans we abducted by the Japanese Empire in the first place. That is like the US army abducting men, women and children that adhere to Al Qaeda, bringing them to the US and then they build a school like that.
Anderson⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻ FB sure, but these schools are clearly brainwashing. These kids literally support North Korea because these schools brainwash them.I don’t need to explain why North Korea is a terrible country. You can keep Korean culture while not affiliating with North Korea, like South Korea for example
@@mackxi but isn't religion doing the same thing?
dude
religion is not nuking near japan
they may look similar to you but actually they are not
To be fair japan did terrible things to Korea so it's not really the same
As a Japanese, I feel a strong resentment toward North Koreans living in Japan who act as if they are victims, even though they continue to live in Japan of their own volition.
It is extremely strange that people who were born and raised in Japan, a country of freedom and democracy, and who have benefited from technology, should loudly shout "I am a North Korean" and worship the Kim Jong-un regime.
As you can see from the current situation in Asia , tensions are Rising between SK, NK and Japan
And though North Korea might lack the capabilities to inavde SK or Japan completely they have the Nuclear might to do so and these North Korean communities in your country might be used as spies to create obstruction for Japan and South Korea during a war
So i would suggest that your Country to Jail them in case of a war
This might sound extreme but if you import them back then they may take valuable information back with them
If you mix them with the society , they could supply strategic information back to North Korea and the Japanese government will have problems identifying a 100k+
So my best advice is to imprison them until the war is ended and after that they can be imported back to North Korea
If there would even be one left
From Germany🇩🇪
So they should just be thankful that they face harassment in Japan?
First off, I am Korean. I personally do feel sorry for them, but I don't think it's right for them to continue living in a country while refusing to assimilate into its culture and society. It's detrimental to both their community and the country of Japan. Also, they actively support a regime that threatens to destroy Japan on a daily basis, and then expect the country to be kind to them? It seems very foolish to me. I propose that they either move to South Korea or cut their ties with North Korea and identify fully as Japanese citizens. But the problem I see is, Japan would probably never accept them as their own. Japan is VERY discriminatory against ethnic Koreans, after all. Now would South Korea accept them? Probably. But will they themselves be willing to move to and identify with South Korea, a country that is the polar opposite of a country they were taught to love and pledge allegiance to from birth? Highly doubtable. Or they could move to North Korea, but I think we all know how that'll turn out. The situation is quite sticky.
There are 2.5 million foreigners living in Japan and only Koreans are complaining. And these Koreans have the highest crime rates (40% Yakuza are Koreans); engage in illegal political activities; illegally receive social welfare; destruct historical sites such as shrine and temples; steals corporate secrets and cultures; steal national treasures; kidnap Japanese; smuggle out nuclear and missile parts illegally; perpetrate money laundry to illegally send back money; spread lies domestically and internationally....amongst all other disrespectful behaviors towards Japan, Japanese and its society.
There are reasons why Koreans are hated.
Okay, I've seen your other comments and you seem to be heavily influenced by Japanese right-wing nationalist propaganda. Not gonna waste my time arguing with a racist. Bye
They might prefer the south if it supported them financially, which they need.
Justus Yoon Yours is the first sensible comment I’ve read so far. The whole comment section is either filled eith stupid questions that were answered in the beginning of the video or propaganda of the japanese ultra right wing.
Of course what this community is doing is wrong (and more fodder for right wing propaganda) but Japan also didn’t give them many choices. It’s mistakes made by both parties.
Yep, Both sides are incorrect, but in order to stop discrimination against North Koreans in Japan they should seek to find mutual understanding and build projects so they would feel more welcomed in the Japanese society (I mean the Japanese goverment). Unfortunately because most of them are right wing, it's true, it would be harder to reach mutual understanding.. also about the crime rate of Koreans in Japan, I don't know much about it, but feeling unconnected and discriminated against could sure lead you to commit crimes.. I think that's why most people commit crimes, because they feel betrayed by society so they want to betray it back.. that's why there should be support by the government for societies that might be doing more crimes than others and also special programs that would make those people feel more belong and a part of a functioning Japanese society..
This is probably the best episode of borders so far. I never heard about these issues, very interesting, but also seems like it's unlikely to be solved anytime soon.
Without alot of bloodshed NK will still be there till they have an nuke only then people will intervene they always come too late
MrPoopyButthole69 Doesn't NK already have a number of nukes? I thought they just lack the ability to make them smaller to mount onto ICBMs.
P K incorrect, they have the abilities to makes icbm nukes, but can barely reach the us due to lack of modern technology
Also NK only has a few nukes so if they hit the States the retaliation would be NK turned into the moonscape. NK is dumb but not suicidal.
‘I saw my friends mother publicly getting executed’
Her crime: watching a hollywood movie
Which one?
Fast and furious tokyo drift
Yeah its sad that they hate USA thingy in North Korea
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@杨健 do you have any sources or something I can Google? I always felt a little sketchy about her so I wouldnt be surprised if she was really lying
Why don't they live there, if they're so wealthy and welcomed by NK? I understand where they're coming from to a degree, but these people are completely delusional.
Because their great grandparents were forced to move go japan during colonization. These people probably identify themselves as Japanese since they were born there and their parents were born there. It’s like asking you to pick up and move to a different country if you were born from immigrant parents. Or maybe you aren’t so you will never really understand
I live in Japan and I can tell you this. Many Japanese do not like Korean in general. This is what makes their live miserable, with constant discrimination and polarization in Japan. These people have no choice but to rely the NK organization who is willing to provide an actual safe place and sanctuary for them, where at least they can feel safe without any discrimination.
I am not an expert on social behavior, but when one is in a less favorable environment, they will tend to rely on things that can make them safe, or in this case, protect their identity. This can be seen in why many gang members have a broken family or childhood, they have no choice but to choose to join gang because it is the only place that can make them feel important and free to express theirselves.
I am not necessarily support the regime, but these kids and NK regime are 2 different issues. 1 is trying to expand their sphere of influence, and 1 is trying to find a sanctuary that can make them secure.
Very interesting. What you call "cultivating Korean cultural identity" I call downright indoctrination. Culture must never be equated to allegiance to a political regime, *especially* the North Korean regime. You also mentioned that most of their ancestry comes from South Korea, and their fixation of North Korea is the result of their past funding, i.e., a completely political issue.
exactly!
Yes, this it not about cultural identity at all. This is about making money for the North Korean regime. They have many "enterprises" abroad, run by North Koreans, to make money for NK. This is just another case. This isn't at all about allowing people to also retain their cultural identity.
South Korea and North Korea were pretty much the same. Culturally and Ethnically. He said that most of the Koreans chose to go to South Korea. He never said that the Koreans that were taken to Japan were from South Korea. There was only Korea at that time.
Actually he did say that most of them were from “what’s now South Korea” but since the North was giving them money, they affiliated with it.
Soo, the original comment was right: the regions their ancestry came from correspond now to South Korea
Am I missing something obvious here? If Japan is so unhappy with them and they are so unhappy in Japan... why don't they leave? Especially since they believe they will find acceptance and happiness a short distance away? Why stay somewhere you're not wanted and where you don't feel safe?
Angie Holmes Japan is not unhappy with them. They are just being so responsible fot their crimes committed against them. It is also not so simple to kick out all of those people to NK, which is obviously not better place than japan. Also NK is getting advantage from these communities, such as getting money from them and more importantly having good access of information from western world.
@@Strollerist Irresponsible?
I cannot draw an immediate conclusion since this issue is sophisticated. I will list several hypotheses (they could be wrong, so you have to do researches too).
1. These kids grew up in Japan, and their native language (Japanese) is stronger than Korean. Some would not want to leave for that reason.
2. Just because they say “we hate Japan” does NOT necessarily mean they hate Japan. Think about it. If they hold DPRK’s citizenship and say “we love Japan,” then their relatives in DPRK will be endangered. The same thing happens if they refuse to cooperate. They are likely doing their best to spare these relatives.
3. Some of these Korean parents may have their kids live as stateless in Japan. When they are 18, most of them choose to apply for either Japanese or SK citizenship.
Also don't forget that these second and third generation "Koreans" born in Japan receive substantial preferential treatment from the government just to live in Japan, including special income and reduced taxes. This is why most of them do not choose to change their status. They are quite happy.
@Tom Tetreau Well the problem with that is she's an American Citizen so where exactly does she go? If a White American doesn't like America you never hear someone telling them to go back where you came. Also a piece of advice as a born and bred minority, you never tell them go back where you come from since they'll start to doubt whether they truly belong in that country.
Now this makes me wonder what stops them from moving to their lovely country.
North Korean goverment. They benefit from having comunities in other countries (spying) and if they came with their western knowledge of the world it would be a threat for the brainwashing of all North Koreans inside the borders.
Maybe if they all move back to N. Korea, they will realise how lucky they are to be free in Japan?
Honestly, I have to side with Japan. If you have people in your own country being taught by a foreign power that has over decades threatened to destroy you and kidnapped/killed your own citizens, then you shouldn't have to fund that. Like the guy said, we in the US wouldn't allow a Bin Laden memorial, much less a school, to be built anywhere in the country, so why would they fund a North Korean one? They won't.
Well said.
Plus, they have all the freedom to go back to NK anytime.
Send help from South Korea??? That's always an option.
Matthew Miller Are you sure? Because they're being forced into a corner right now. Japan won't recognize them as citizens despite being born there and maybe even have one Japanese parent and got no help from SK, only NK. They are getting harassed for wanting to identify with a country that they have never lived in because the country they are living right now treats them horribly. Japan has a long history with discrimination against other Asians. It's kind of like this: you live in a horrivle situation at home, getting screamed and ridiculed and even harassed. And then some guy or girl comes by and they start to help you. You know that they too are doing bad things probably even worse then whats happening in your household but it doesn't matter. They helped you. The others didn't.
Knight of Spirit
You are naive and easy to be fooled...
It is the Japanese students that are attacked by these Korean students all the time. The Koreans are professional victims. These students are also trained by their teachers to say they are attacked while they are attacking.
You can read about this in books written by Koreans who used to play the game of hunting and assaulting Japanese students. Just about every student around him was playing while even the teachers were encouraging.
Because there is no diplomatic relationship between Japan and NK, the NKoreans act as if they have quasi-extraterritorial rights and the Japanese police are very weak against them as the issue is so political.
Japanese students near Korean schools are terrified of them.
They came to Japan for better life or illegally migrated during the Korean War.
Also these people chose to be North Koreans instead of South Koreans, meaning they want to be communists, and their ultimate goal is to overturn the Japanese government for a communist revolution. This involves violence, illegal political activities, kidnapping Japanese, smuggling out nuclear and missile parts, illegally sending funds home, sabotaging Japanese society....you name it. That is one of the reason their crime rates in Japan are so high.
They need to brainwash these kids for the jihad and for this end they need to prey to the Kim photo everyday. They have already kidnapped many Japanese. They are hiding many automatic weapons, rocket launchers, hand grenades underneath their houses, some of which were revealed after the Hanshin Earthquakes when their house were shuttered.
These schools would be illegal on US or South Korean soil, even if they pay for themselves.
Matthew Miller Because these students and teachers didn't commit those atrocities, a fairer parallel would be an afghan school that isn't being funded properly because they are biased toward afghan affairs and ideals, buy still, that's just my perspective, as a non-american or Japanese, I cannot relate to 9/11 or these kidnappings, again it is totally understandable that the government stopped funding these schools, but for me such actions are scaremonuring not logic based.
This is an extremely complicated issue so disgusting it peacefully is the best thing we can do.
Prisoner A: what's your crime?
Prisoner B: watched a movie.
Prisoner A: 😲
there would be no prisoner 2. they would be executed before they could even be put in jail
@@siyasachdeva2071 r/wooosh
that's not something to joke abt .
@@pugazharasu1193 welcome to dark humor
Honestly, people need to look at this from the perspective of the Chongryon. This community sees North Korea as a country which has been able to support them when the Japanese would not and help give them an identity and I think that is a key perspective to consider. It sad to know the country which supports them takes part in violating human rights and threatens the national security of everyone around them.
@Sean_GNM I agree with that because frankly, I think everyone here is just picking a side to agree for or against public policy (if one may call it that), and not the fact that this community desires only what every human being desires - acceptance and support. Is that too much to consider? Because if that is, then the issues of politics are blinding, where ethics and morals should be there in its place.
agreed honestly. i mean, its a school full of children. both koreans and japanese did wrong and i dont really know which side is good cuz both did bad.
true they should be in the know of what their home country is really doing they are being spoonfed what NK wants them to beleive
Why should the government be forced to financially support what amounts to a privatized school district?
Nope. North Koreans shouldn't be in Japan in the first place.
That man that "explained it in a way an american would understand" is completely right 🤞 and the moment he made that example all my empathy died. It's true you can't be experiencing and benefitting from the privilege of a country and still be for the country that's tried to destroy it
I watch stories like this, and I never know what to say. I could never support someone who supports a tyrannical dictator, but I can't support poeple who can even think of putting people at risk.
this is a perfect piece. I would not change a single thing about how it was written. It shows the Cause, effect relationship, the people on each side of the issue, and it shows the vicious cycle of persecution of a particular group of people.
I agree, this is one of the best videos I've seen on youtube. Great job +Vox
It is possible for an issue to have nuance and not be a straight up case of one side being right.
So you wouldn't support people who support the United States?
FathomLordKarathr ROFL. You got me there
Braedon Ondos you should check out the other video they linked at the end about the right wing Japanese. I think that may address your concern.
They are being willfully ignorant. Most of them come from South Korea, the only reason they choose to support and follow North Korean culture is because their loyalty can be bought. If they would choose to follow South Korean culture (The culture they actually derive from) Japan would be less hard on them. I fail to feel sympathy for a people whose culture and loyalty has been bought entirely.
Yeah, you have a good point there.
Say that to half of the soldier who serve in the military as well as people who do certain jobs
I mean you are right..They do know about North Koreas terrible history of lack of human rights but they still feel this so called connection to North Korea?? Thats some brainwashing right there.
Skullzi TV heres the thing, what do you know about North Korea? Have you ever been there or have first hand experience? Yet you have strong convictions about what you “know” to be true. They are exposed from a young age to a different set of information, thus they hold that set of information as equally true. It does not speak to their character or intelligence, merely the system and environment in which they were born.
Why would South Koreans even go to North Korean schools in Japan when South Koreans are now becoming richer than Japanese.
Korea’s GDP per capita will surpass Japan’s GDP per capita in 2023 according to IMF
... bruh no school w kim il sung pictures in it should be funded
No Japanese schools that still believe in Imperial Japan should be funded. Imperial Japan committed more crimes against humanity than North Korea.
@@bloodycinephile it's not about who did more damage u could say Russia Germany or even us kill more people but its the past when resources are limited and people are kinda have a more racist thought but now nk is still continuing their way of torture adn brain wash so we should not support North Korea ideology as these children will follow this ideology and be the next kim
I couldn't think of a username what japanese imperialism doing to the world now? north korea is making ICBM and nuke to blow up the entire world
Totally agree.
@@bloodycinephile there are no Japanese schools that still believe in imperial Japan... What are you talking about
If they feel unsafe in Japan, why can't they go back to North Korea instead? (Well, for me I think it would be very much harder for them if they live in North Korea huh)
This story has me torn, but I have to side with the Japanese education ministry. Yes, everyone should have the freedom to choose their own culture and beliefs. But the government should not have to fund beliefs that threaten their country. Rallies and protests against North Korean beliefs, and groups that support them, should be allowed. I don't think it's fair to call it discrimination in the traditional way when it's activism against a legitimate threat.
The Squaad
It was actually US that protected these Koreans first.
The Squaad the question is not so black and white. The reduction of funding merely entrenches biases. If they had open dialogue and negotiations both after the end of WW2 and today the education system can be very different. Heck, the casual acceptance and exposure to NK atrocities (rather then hard denial and shutdown) would probably had the younger generation turning apathetic faster (like most young generation nowadays). the same isolation, disenfranchised feelings, and ridicule in the USA led to the popularism of Trump. The allegory is so strong here...
Japan is worsening the issue and these "rallies" are against children who are assaulted on their way to school
Shouldn't forget the fact that fascism, nationalism and "great leader" is primarily seen in modern Japanese culture aka they have been quite deplorable to minorities through out history. Not saying nk is awesome cuz we all know it isn't, yet Japan can't be in the right just because the other side is worse than them.
My point is that Japan has the history of kkk or 1930-40s Europe attitudes towards minorities molded into their history books and their curriculum... So yeah nk is bad, but being a racist (or just a simple douche) towards shitty people doesn't legitimise anything - you're still being shitty towards shitty people... And not calling it discrimination? Srsly we all sided with the ANTI white supremacy people in Charlottesville - you can't go back now and change the rules of civil justice... Nobody should be discriminated, so you can't cherry pick who gets a free pass and who doesn't.
Human rights for all humans, even the shitty ones...
The Squaad tell that to the Americans that stand with Nazis
Wow as a South Korean, who has even been to Tokyo multiple times, I was not aware of such communities existing. Thank you so much for the enlightenment, Vox.
Unfortunately, most Koreans are kept in the dark about these kinds of things.
Good to know, Cheff.
You never heard of 재일교포?
Greekvvedge alot of the world is kept in the dark about U.S. Backed regimes, the southern Vietnamese government was in noway Democratic, infact the guy who was in power got 600,000 votes when there was only 450,000 registered voters, not only that he was descriminatory towards Buddhists and trusted no one in the government who wasn't part of his family, and almost NO-ONE who supports the Southern Vietnamese government knew this.
Seriously?, 일본 여행가면 조총련 조심해라고 들어봤을텐데....
In this matter I totally support Japan...👌👍
They cry descrimination when they enjoy liberal society of Japan and its infrastructure. They should be sent to North korea and then will realise what discrimination is and how hard life can get.
Ah yes. The old "there are worse problems so your problems don't exist" logic...
Gregor Hodson are you even listening to yourself? These North Koreans seriously have no idea what their "great leader" really is...
Scrub ، or you
I do know what he actually is based on what the North Korean refugees are talking about that's going on in NK. Based people sneaking videos inside and recording things to see how the society view their "great leader"
Discriminated how?
I remember once reading about western nationals spying for soviet union in their homelands because of the ideological reasons in a book by Wiktor Suworow (former GRU agent). According to him, they were called "shiteaters" and widely hated by soviet agents working with them. The reason was, that those people lived they comfortable lives in the west, but helped the soviet regime because of their false image of the living conditions inside the USSR.
Those North Koreans living in Japan have no idea what is happening behind the border. They only know their own imaginative image of it. That's both sad and dangerous.
The moral of the story: it's [very] complicated
Back in the 70s I lived in Japan for a few years. I well aware of the Chinese citizens, as well as the Koreans living there. I got to know a young Korean woman in a calligraphy class. As I got to know her I figured out that she was not from S. Korea, but the North. She wanted me to come and teach at her local school. I declined. She was also really interested in a trip I was going to take to South Korea with some friends. In hindsight, I'm sure she took that class to be able to contact me.
Send them back to north korea. They will surely miss expressing their feelings like they did on japan. If they do not win win. Motherlnd is based on the land you were born. Not some magical land the teachers fills your head with
exactly!!
Born and raised* and yes white people who were born and raised in zimbabwe are zimbabweans.
max playne The funny thing is, the region their ancestors came from is now part of South Korea. o.O