I was currently enrolled in a community college in Long Beach, CA. Allison Mack was one of my classmates in a sociology course and I literally had NEVER knew anything about this story AT ALL. Surprisingly, cults and trafficking was never a topic that was discussed in the class. Me and Allison became good friends and all of our classmates knew of us to sit together everyday and make jokes about the professor and be sort of loud and obnoxious. She was the sweetest most down to earth person I had ever met. But in the back of my mind I always found it a bit odd that any time she’d converse with me...she’d give me compliments and try to engage in conversation with me as if she was trying to get me to be vulnerable. She also never showed up for any of the exams, yet she showed up for every other class. I read about this story 3 months after the course ended and I was completely blown away because I had no idea this lady existed before this class started. I also came to the conclusion that her way of connecting to me was all apart of her recruiting tactics and I have never felt more unsafe than I do now. This is just to say to anyone who finds this story or finds themselves in a similar situation, pay attention to your surroundings and don’t get too close to people, you literally never know who you’re talking to.
id heard she attended class after leaving nxim and was then kicked out of class because they didnt feel comfortable... i dont think she was recruiting you i think she might have just wanted a friend
Sounds like she was undercover when you said she never showed up for any exams & was trying to get you to open up to her she was looking for recruits but she was selective about who she chose.
Individuals who are actually well-grounded and have a strong desire to help other people usually do not go around selling self-help workshops. They are out in their communities, donating their time and money without expectation of praise. Anyone looking for someone kind-hearted to take after would be better served starting in shelters, libraries and food banks. Instead of paying for overpriced workshops.
Women followed him out of ambition to be 'superior' to everyone else, which is a way of selling your soul. Otherwise they would have walked away when the branding iron came out, instead of regarding it as putting them in a special class of women. The time for gurus in the US was about 1970-80. After than, the cutting edge of higher human unfoldment moved on to higher and more subtle methods. If anyone had tried branding people then, it would not have taken on. The branding was done over the sacral chakra, the emotional centre, and breathing IN the pain was to deepen and intensify the pain/shock/trauma factor. Things become more gentle and subtle when conscious is raised, not more blatant and grotesque.
@Jake Dean Do you have trouble with reading comprehension? I didn't say that the people to seek out in volunteer organizations was those being served there. I said that the people who volunteer would be a better model to take after if you are interested in being a kind-hearted person who actually helps society. Probably filled with more people who would be more trustworthy than those you find at over-priced, feel good seminars and you would probably find more useful lessons too.
Nancy Salzman tried to recruit me way back when they were getting started. She mentioned that Raniere was an amazing genius and that their material was so transformational it was a secret. Those were red flags to me.
Wow 😳..... reading your comment this morning made me realize how far reaching this dangerous man... and group has been. It also gave me enough motivation to make a change in my own life for the better. Thx for the comment, you will never know how your plain and simple truth/words came to me at the perfect moment. 🙏
Tell us more about her...what was she like? And those eyebrows...good God. She needed to pluck them in a permanent glazed grin position, to cover her misery, I’m assuming. Oh my. She looked so snowed.
@@quintuplebanned4267 I met her when they were out networking and asking for people who were coaches or looking into personal improvement. Someone gave her my name since I am a life coach. So I agreed to meet her. She talked about how their material was so much better than anything out there in the field of personal development. But I'd been coached by some pretty amazing people. She "coached" me right there in starbucks. Her technique was good, but nothing I hadn't done myself or been exposed to, but then I had also had exposure to very skilled coaches. I'm sure they would have taken my money but I wasn't interested. The red flags were the emphasis on ONE leader - the elusive Keith who was such a genius AND that their material was so amazing it was patented and couldn't be used outside their organization. I don't think any organization has all the answers and when any organization or religion claims to have the answers vs. one's own inner guidance, that's a huge red flag. Spiritual leaders should be helping people find the answers within themselves. I think the few who achieve success through being the leader of a movement are easily seduced by their own power and are then drawn into feeding their egos. And unchecked egos are bottomless pits which can never be satisfied, and can only lead to massive destruction......... like our current president for example.
A coworker asked too make a sales pitch to me and my wife. I was young and sure but only if it isn’t Amway! He said no. I said how long will the presentation be 45-60 minutes. I said perfect I have too leave at a certain time. I gave him a start time. He makes his presentation and 1/4 way through I figure out it is Amway operation just name change. I took him by the collar and opened the door. He never spoke to me again and I was fine with that. Every time I saw him I saw myself shaking his head like marques.
Scientology was literally based off of occultism/Satanism. He gave it the name "scientology" to conceal that fact. L Ron Hubbard's son said that in an interview and that interview is on TH-cam.
That's in SANE!!! I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE HOW THIS WILL END. I WANT TO SEE ##EMILIANOSALINAS IN JAIL!! HE'S WAS K. RENIERI RIGHT HAND MAN IN MEXICO!!! SALINAS IS THE SON OF FORMER MEXICAN PRESIDENT CARLOS SALINAS.... A BLOODY PRESIDENT HE WAS!!!! THIS IS HORRIBLE!!!
@M B I hope that's true. She should never practice again. I even question her being able to do volunteer medical work given the extreme sadism of her acts.
He barely passed his regular classes at a technical college, and had a C average. NYT said his claims of Guiness listing him as the smartest person in the world, were also BS. He didn't even make a US top 10 list. The IQ test was probably an online, 10 question, 'Where's Waldo' quiz, if that. There are no actual records of him having anything but basic schooling. Wouldn't an insanely smart person graduate early, or skip grades if speaking and reading at an extremely advanced level? He barely seems to understand any of the polysyllabic words he spewed, in hopes of impressing young, ignorant girls.
4G12 According to Albrecht Fölsing's Einstein biography Einstein was an exceedingly modest person who never aggrandized himself. However he knew his worth and made exorbitant wage demands, which the universities usually agreed to pay.
MsBlueRyan If he was able to charm women, who were consenting adults with full mental faculties, and they offered themselves to him, why should that be a crime on his part? If fooling morons is a crime, then every religious leader should be in jail.
Witches Bane Covering their pedo trafficking by exposing just this aspect of the cult. divert attention away from child trafficking by shocking us with harem admissions. Slick
Thank you! I am glad he’s gotten as much time behind bars as he did. Let’s just hope he doesn’t end up with a new DOS program. Well, if he’s in jail, it’d need to be named something like DUDES instead of DOS!!!
Sociopaths and Psychopaths can score high on IQ tests. That doesn't mean they are fit to be leaders or score high in other areas of human intelligence and consciousness. I watched several of Keith's interviews where he was supposedly sharing his "genius." He said absolutely NOTHING. He seems to use a lot of circular logic and is clever at playing to people's insecurities and low self esteem. So when something he says actually doesn't make sense (and I saw the quizzical looks in every interviewee's eyes) they assume it's because he's a "genius" and the information is just over their heads. Honestly I was rolling my eyes at everything he said. Total garbage. But then my narcissist meter is especially sensitive. lol
we can be leaders too. I coached my sons team and all the kids loved me except the one kid who thought he was going to do what he wanted and not run plays. We won the championship too. I was always the leader on my teams growing up too since I was the best player the majority of the time.
So you're saying you're a sociopath or a psychopath with a high IQ who can also coach his son's team? lol I'm thinking you didn't exactly understand what I wrote. But nice to know your sons team did very well. Congrats!
From what I got it just seems like you don't think sociopaths are capable of doing the same things as "normal" people. Like we're missing something. I'm sure some are. They are more than just sociopaths in my opinion. They have other issues too. Or some are just psychopaths who feel no empathy ever, so it's easier for them to commit crimes and not care about hurting anyone.
Eric Bogar So you ARE self identifying asa sociopath! That is really something-never seen that before. If you are so self enlightened, do think it is possible to work on yourself and change-for the good? Because as someone who was very miserably married to a narcissistic sociopath, it was a living hell.
So you ARE self identifying asa sociopath! That is really something-never seen that before. Wrong, im exactly like him, dont worry i dont need to change , im no married :D
Personally, I feel there are two ways to smile that say what this guy is referring to and then what others feel like is there personal pure joy! The former being, showing a big teeth smile that never changes and the later oscillates with simply being human as emotions change.
@@abelmcguire6252 I would say there are hundreds of different ways to smile. I usually have a slight smile with no teeth on my face simply because if I don't it looks like I'm angry.
I agree.. It's the same ick factor that occurs when someone intentionally uses your name in conversation. In particular when someone isn't that close to you and intentionally engages in a manner that is too familiar. It's sleaze detection #101
'I am no longer I but a hollow tube to bring fire down from heaven''. The question is good cuz you either have to remove the conscious I, the ego, to become one with the whole set- setting- natural relation to life but on the other side, it is all about the conscious I that wants this. Which one is it? - To lose your ego like some guru or in a monastery or try to make your Ego = to the spirit of nature?
Shortly after leaving the Berkshires last year I received a message from a poet I met out there telling me that a couple of the women I had hung out with during my time there were associated with this organization. It totally tripped me out because I was feeling very isolated despite having a great job and was getting a lot of spirited invites from these women. Something told me not to involve my self too deeply, tho. I'm grateful for divine guidance and a healthy intuition.
He took the Mega Society entrance exam, which is a highly controversial gauge. Mega Society insists their 48-question exam, taken by a few hundred people a year, can determine whether your intelligence is in the top .0001% of humanity. Anyone who understands probability or statistics or both understands this claim has not been established, and almost certainly can't be true. The smartest humans on earth recognize these tests are garbage and don't waste their time on them.
He has such a crazy , weird look in his eyes when he speaks with people. Not to mention 90 percent of his ideologies made NO sense intuitively . He wasn’t even wise . As I watched the docu, I was like what? How are people falling for his “wisdom and genius”. The only thing genius about him was his manipulation skill and ability to lure people into his trap
@@danaprovenzano3961 don't forget, it wasn't just him. There was also Nancy Salzman doing a lot of the public work. It is sad that these people didn't do their research into Consumers Buyline before committing to Nxivm.
I be-lie-ve it was the Roman Catholic Empire that started that "'Master over Slave" Caste Beast System! They sure were sick and sadistic and Democide was their favorite Sport and Control Mechanism! Obviously nothing has changed in the 21st Century!
I'm not saying that he has a high IQ... but just because he's in jail and you're not doesn't mean he isn't a genius. Ego can take over intellect in a heart beat. Maybe he got over-confident and didn't think he was going to be caught for anything.... then "voila".... now he's sitting in jail.
Jack Thompson: IQ has nothing to do with wisdom / wise life choices. One can have a low IQ and still possess the wisdom and integrity to stay out of jail (barring being framed). One can be brilliant and have minimal moral character.
Technically even if he did have an IQ of 240 he doesnt now because the older you get, generally the lower your iq is being that age is the denominator in the equation
There is no REAL "Mormon" dude running things from jail. That guy you're referring to is a cult leader. He has absolutely nothing to do with the over 17 million people of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It's frustrating for me, a regular good person who knows better, to see people confuse my faith with a relatively small group of cultists living in a secret society in the middle of the desert. I feel sorry for any of the sincere people stuck out there and especially the poor children in that cult led by that guy in jail. (I hope they still don't follow him.) Peace.
@@lorielizabethwade7505 you sincerely believe that a convicted con man found golden tablets that only he could see and read then he needed help to write down what was on the tablets because he could not write and read......... Seems legit
@Sean Clark God requires worship... and made man in his image... so saith the book. Somehow people are surprised when some people decide they also require a form of worship of themselves. Those who believe in this narcissistic god open themselves up to this delusion. Children eventually grow up and realize there is no Santa Claus. However because of a collectively accepted mythology, many people in this world forsake logic and reason to believe without any proof of an imaginary man in the sky. We are individual free agents capable of rational thought. Accepting the chains of belief while refuting logic may be the norm in this world at this time. But times they are a changing.
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In other words, it sounds like just about every religion ever created. ALL religions are cults with predators and victims - some are just more mainstream than others.
many serial killers / psycopaths / sociapaths have high IQs &/or are charismatic - IMO they arent saying he was 'brilliant' (thats your word/impression) - they are just acknowledging certain facts about him that caused this eg he had a very high IQ, was very charismatic & was a successful business man - doesnt make him any less of a 'monster' - it actually makes him worse than your average sociopath as he was probably very aware of what he was doing
Exactly as John Foy pointed out, he is indeed brilliant. But he didn't use his brilliance for good. Many people who have done horrible things are extremely intelligent.
Mark Twain said, "It's easier to fool someone than convince them they've been fooled." Even more when you have "skin" in the game. That's why pro football players go broke chasing bad investments with worse ones. And that's how people join a self help group and, after paying lots of money and the giving of their time, chase a return on that investment. Trying to get that return creates a "blind spot" for evil. Instead of cutting your losses, you double down.
Exactly. The more you've already poured into the black hole, the more totally unacceptable the idea that it is a black hole becomes. You have to either keep believing the delusion or accept the crash of your entire worldview.
he’s just doing his job. A lawyer has an ethical obligation to set aside their feelings and put forward the best possible defense they can for their client. And that’s a good thing. Everyone, no matter what they’re accused of, has the right to a legal defense by competent attorney. That said, Keith Raniere is a monster and I’m sure Marc Agnifilo’s best efforts won’t keep him from getting what he rightly deserves: decades on federal prison. But Agnifilo isn’t being slimy, he’s doing what he’s supposed to do.
@@joeray7899 But he is being slimy, telling lies in the name of defending your client is wrong and slimy, not just giving him his best defense. And lawyers at his level choose their clients, and their price. He's in it for the money, not the justice of providing legal aide to an accused citizen. Doing wrong or illegal things for money is the definition of slimy.
Bryn Stuart Jones , the difference is that Scientology pays its bills to the right people, corrupted government. These people got caught for not paying bills thinking they were all covered.
Not as effectively as in the past, though. The thing about Scientology's target audience is that they're generally wealthy, well-connected people who CAN find a way out.
Graham Strouse - and targeting hard working and/or desperate people who’d be willing to join their Sea Org (and prolly other groups within the cult) to carry out the jobs the wealthier members won’t do.
Graham Strouse You should check where they’ve opened a major new center in Dublin, in one of the city’s poorest, most socioeconomically deprived areas.
They've bought out essential parts of the cities in which they reside including the police departments so it doesnt shock me that they havent yet been prosecuted.
I am continually amazed the great efforts that guys will make on behalf of getting off. If all that energy went into doing something more constructive, this world might be a better place.
I agree with another response, that is, this case is about power. We see it everyday, however society has a great ability to compartmentalize and justify the actions of one group while recognizing the horrors of groups using the same manipulations. Look at our current political atmosphere and groups gaining traction like Q’anon. Are we capable of intellectual honesty when we are motivated by fears or things we do not understand?
It's basically the same as breaking away from a narcissistic family. Narcissistic personality disorder is way underestimated for it's cancerous effect on all of society.
I am just starting to discover Smallville for the first time and Chloe Sullivan is one of my fav character. I was shocked to know what Allison Mack has done in real life. She seemed innocent and pure. You really cannot judge a book by its cover.
@@reflections4me Oh hun, you are such a beautiful human being for saying all of this. But, Nexium is a drug that I am prescribed for my acid reflux and I thought everyone knew about Nexium, as it has had so many commercials and is available over the counter, so I expected everyone to understand the joke. I'm sorry. You do lend more hope for humanity though, Blessed Be.
@@sdidora5 Thank you, sweetheart. I do actually have horrific acid reflux, among the 20 or more chronic illness that I have and your concern is lovely. But yes, it is a joke because Nexium is what I take for it. I just thought everyone knew what Nexium was and that it was silly that a cult was named that. Blessed Be.
Isis Blackfeather Funny! It's weird that NXIVM doesn't really have any meaning, like an acronym or an abbreviation for something, but it is pronounced "Nexium."
Also to a large degree these people should take responsibility and accountability for themselves for allowing them to become sheeple and being manipulated.
Hi Josh, loved the work on this piece. Just wondering why the child molestation accusations weren’t discussed in the podcast with Keith’s lawyer? Can you speak to this?
And why Kirsten Gilibrand and Hillary Clinton's connections to the group were not explored. Or why they didn't talk about NXIVM's hacking of MANY high profile executives and politicians. Yeah, really light on the real issues behind this story.
MegaTriumph1 Allison Mack has been arrested and I think her bail is a million..I'm not sure if she out yet..but I herd she totally throwing him under the bus.
I watched "the Vow", every time he came on to preach his stuff, my reaction was always, what the eff is this guy talking about, and how could anyone fall for this
This attorneys strategy is brilliant-syncing with Raniere’s contempt of victims while assuring the attorney gets paid. Paying lip service to a client has rarely been so costly. To the client.
Although, it was kind of odd listening to his parents distance themselves from him and explain his behavior simply by saying “we sat him down when he was little and told him he was very special.” And ever since he acted like he was better than everyone. ? They didn’t have any obligation to explain their son’s actions but then again they didn’t have to give an interview either. I looked all over but that was the only comment they ever made trying to rationalize his early behavior.
This story is awful and horrifyingly familiar. But I have to say that this journalist is fantastic. His voice is so nice and his tone is so calm while not detracting from the terrible things that he is describing. I was able to understand so well.
While I don’t condone her behaviour and agree she should do jail time she must have been dreadfully brutalised too... this cannot be what she wanted for her life
Wait.. "Want to be branded"?? No, babe. These women were not joining knowing they were going to go through a branding ceremony and become slaves to some egomaniac. But hey, if you're implying that the male frats that are getting branded are doing it to be slaves to a woman, I'd be more than happy to hear that story. 🤨
amazing that, once she coped a plea, poor Allison Mack suddenly becomes the innocent victim who's strength we should applaud. Prior to her plea agreement the US Government Identified Mack and CBS and all the other major media outlets were happy to do same, as the second in command at DOS. Apparently all it takes for some privledged individuals to have their entire image turned around in the media is some tears in court, the "I'm just a victim" plea and a "It was all his fault" statement. I mean her tears and her court preformence had be to 100% genuine right? I mean its not like she's a trained and experience actress, right?
I'm disappointed with her sentence. I understand she squealed like a pig and gave some vital information to prosecutors (and I also happen to love her as an actress) but she should have gotten 10-15 years at least for what she did. She traumatized so many people. The plea deal angle is just misused by people.
I don't care how brilliant a sociopath is. I'd much rather have emotional intelligence, and feel emotional highs and lows. Sociopaths tend to thrill seek to the point of danger and destruction of themselves and everyone around them just to feel anything at all. They can't relate to people emotionally, so they've learned to observe and mimic others to try to "fit in". They can be very charming, and will try to impress and relate to you on a superficial level. They believe that they are better than everyone else, because that is easier than just being different, and in their minds it justifies their perception that everyone around them are mere pawns that they can control. One of the first signs that a person is a sociopath is to watch their eyes. Their face may be expressive, but their eyes will be emotionless. Then ask them something that should elicit an emotional response while rendering yourself emotionless. They will not know how to react, but will tell you what they think you want to hear. I have met and worked with some sociopaths in my time, it is best to keep them at a distance and don't give them any personal information, or they may use it to their advantage.
His penchant for 'word salad' may have been a gaslighting tactic- he wants people to think they're not smart enough to understand him. He tried it on the NXIVM 9, and it's a lot less effective when your targets are coordinated with each other and agree you're speaking gibberish. After three days, sweating bullets, he gave up and told them he'd killed people in order to scare them silent.
I read Sarah's book and she was told by Lauren, her best friend in NXIVM, that it would be a tattoo the size of a dime. She apparently didn't know until the ceremony.
I honestly recommend watching Philip Defrancos video on NXIVM because this guy is really sugarcoating it. Phil actually gets into all the horrifying details that went on
I Live In Albany, Let me Tell You That place always gave me the creeps. I always felt that place was a cult but most people from Albany Didnt really knew it was that bad.
The stress placed on being "ethical" in NXIVM is completely laughable. Also, women's self-empowerment and the slave/master model are obviously mutually exclusive. How could any woman on this planet who wants to be self-empowered agree to that? Really sad.
I met Keith at a "wheelbarrow-party" back in the day. He was a brilliant conversationalist. I was hanging on every word. he knew stuff. Knew the Lama. You were basically bowled over by his phenomenal personality and he, even then, could make you feel like you wanted him, like he was The Man. The 5 minutes i spent with him was like a complex universe of mind-expansion into his imagination. We parted and I never saw him again. I forgot about him. Till now. How lucky I was not to be in his cult. Greta Bollth told me he could make his smile jump into your face. I don't know what that means. I don't want to find out.
Also, can we please start discussing how cult leaders often drug their potential recruits without the recruit's knowledge to induce "spiritual experiences" during recruitment? And also likely as a group activity to reinforce the supposed "mysticism" of the ideology and leader. I just don't understand why this isn't discussed, it seems so mind blowingly obvious to me.
Thank you for reporting on this story. I haven't heard much about it since they were both arrested. So thank you for keeping the public educated. What's truly scary is the lawyer's spin on everything. Do you know when the trial will start?
The beautiful Allison mack always made my heart melt. her smile is irresistible. She's bubbly and adorable. When i heard about that mess i was in shock. I am very sad for what's going on now with her. I am sad for all the victims and i cannot imagine Allison in prison for years. :(
She is very personable. I can see the attraction. Beautiful smile. But man she had an empty soul. I pity her. But still want her locked up. At some point we all know when we’re doing wrong. She’s so broken.
He makes people feel like they're the only person in the room... 🤔 Especially when he locks the door after everyone leaves and they realize they're the only other person in the room...
Last month I posted some firsthand comments and wanted to be sure I was accurately quoting them. So, with her encouragement, part of the writer’s 2018 letter: “(Raniere) was always a pyramid scheme with himself on top. He set the standard for men. Men set the standard for women, who were inherently substandard because they weren’t men. Our job was to ‘grow’ by finding and submitting to superior men while ignoring the inferiors. Since Keith was the world’s most highly evolved male, he was everyone’s superior, making our jobs easier...There’s nothing in the big handbook by female independent thinkers because they’re anathema to Keith Raniere. But all I heard was the opposite: ‘He’s a feminist. He’s celibate. He knows it’s a man’s world because he’s a man, he’s sharing his insider hacks to toughen you up and help you survive it. You should be grateful. And anyway, if anyone asks-he’s not involved with the women’s groups, they’re strictly grassroots.’ When you were too tired, hungry and unsure to ask why women’s emancipation consisted of being the right man’s property, you were ready for the next phase...What finally did it? Being asked to recruit others into what I was going through...I kept seeing myself in POWs, Holocaust survivors, sexually abused kids. At what point did they all say they felt broken? When they were made to betray their friends. After that, they could never again claim to be innocent, ethical, or used; now they were conspirators. When I knew I couldn’t explain to a friend why this wasn’t what it looked like, I was done. I can’t claim I had some epiphany, but this is what I tell my kids: with the exception of prying you from a burning car, there’s no such thing as hurting someone for their own good. This includes punishment, which becomes unjust when it outstrips the crime. Challenge is good, hurt is not. Anyone who really wants to help you grow will show you the way to the sun.”
This gives me Charles Manson vibes I think that was his name.
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They were all victims of their desperation to be part of something that's going to be the next great movement, the leader the followers they all fed off of eachother & their desperate needs
"I tried having male assistants at first. But it didn't work. They tend to be too independent. Men like to have individuality. Women can become an extension of the boss." Maxwell, Robert Ghislaine father.
I was currently enrolled in a community college in Long Beach, CA. Allison Mack was one of my classmates in a sociology course and I literally had NEVER knew anything about this story AT ALL. Surprisingly, cults and trafficking was never a topic that was discussed in the class. Me and Allison became good friends and all of our classmates knew of us to sit together everyday and make jokes about the professor and be sort of loud and obnoxious. She was the sweetest most down to earth person I had ever met. But in the back of my mind I always found it a bit odd that any time she’d converse with me...she’d give me compliments and try to engage in conversation with me as if she was trying to get me to be vulnerable. She also never showed up for any of the exams, yet she showed up for every other class. I read about this story 3 months after the course ended and I was completely blown away because I had no idea this lady existed before this class started. I also came to the conclusion that her way of connecting to me was all apart of her recruiting tactics and I have never felt more unsafe than I do now. This is just to say to anyone who finds this story or finds themselves in a similar situation, pay attention to your surroundings and don’t get too close to people, you literally never know who you’re talking to.
u think she joined the class trying to recruit?
@@user-bw6pt9dy6f lol thats what i was thinking.
id heard she attended class after leaving nxim and was then kicked out of class because they didnt feel comfortable... i dont think she was recruiting you i think she might have just wanted a friend
Sounds like she was undercover when you said she never showed up for any exams & was trying to get you to open up to her she was looking for recruits but she was selective about who she chose.
you probably weren't hot enough to be recruited
Individuals who are actually well-grounded and have a strong desire to help other people usually do not go around selling self-help workshops. They are out in their communities, donating their time and money without expectation of praise.
Anyone looking for someone kind-hearted to take after would be better served starting in shelters, libraries and food banks. Instead of paying for overpriced workshops.
..while remaining aware that many predators lurk in those orbits too . .
Women followed him out of ambition to be 'superior' to everyone else, which is a way of selling your soul. Otherwise they would have walked away when the branding iron came out, instead of regarding it as putting them in a special class of women.
The time for gurus in the US was about 1970-80. After than, the cutting edge of higher human unfoldment moved on to higher and more subtle methods. If anyone had tried branding people then, it would not have taken on.
The branding was done over the sacral chakra, the emotional centre, and breathing IN the pain was to deepen and intensify the pain/shock/trauma factor.
Things become more gentle and subtle when conscious is raised, not more blatant and grotesque.
Uber libs
Amen!
@Jake Dean Do you have trouble with reading comprehension? I didn't say that the people to seek out in volunteer organizations was those being served there. I said that the people who volunteer would be a better model to take after if you are interested in being a kind-hearted person who actually helps society. Probably filled with more people who would be more trustworthy than those you find at over-priced, feel good seminars and you would probably find more useful lessons too.
Nancy Salzman tried to recruit me way back when they were getting started. She mentioned that Raniere was an amazing genius and that their material was so transformational it was a secret. Those were red flags to me.
Wow 😳..... reading your comment this morning made me realize how far reaching this dangerous man... and group has been. It also gave me enough motivation to make a change in my own life for the better. Thx for the comment, you will never know how your plain and simple truth/words came to me at the perfect moment. 🙏
Thank goodness you didn’t fall for it!!!! ♥️♥️♥️
You have good critical thinking 👌
Tell us more about her...what was she like? And those eyebrows...good God. She needed to pluck them in a permanent glazed grin position, to cover her misery, I’m assuming. Oh my. She looked so snowed.
@@quintuplebanned4267 I met her when they were out networking and asking for people who were coaches or looking into personal improvement. Someone gave her my name since I am a life coach. So I agreed to meet her. She talked about how their material was so much better than anything out there in the field of personal development. But I'd been coached by some pretty amazing people. She "coached" me right there in starbucks. Her technique was good, but nothing I hadn't done myself or been exposed to, but then I had also had exposure to very skilled coaches. I'm sure they would have taken my money but I wasn't interested. The red flags were the emphasis on ONE leader - the elusive Keith who was such a genius AND that their material was so amazing it was patented and couldn't be used outside their organization. I don't think any organization has all the answers and when any organization or religion claims to have the answers vs. one's own inner guidance, that's a huge red flag. Spiritual leaders should be helping people find the answers within themselves. I think the few who achieve success through being the leader of a movement are easily seduced by their own power and are then drawn into feeding their egos. And unchecked egos are bottomless pits which can never be satisfied, and can only lead to massive destruction......... like our current president for example.
"He once worked for Amway" ok everything makes sense now.
yeah, that says a lot from the start
A coworker asked too make a sales pitch to me and my wife. I was young and sure but only if it isn’t Amway! He said no. I said how long will the presentation be 45-60 minutes. I said perfect I have too leave at a certain time. I gave him a start time. He makes his presentation and 1/4 way through I figure out it is Amway operation just name change. I took him by the collar and opened the door. He never spoke to me again and I was fine with that. Every time I saw him I saw myself shaking his head like marques.
renoloverxoxo yesss
Amway owned by DeVos family.
Everyone i ever met that worked for Amway was Always borderline narcissistic!!!
Pure manipulation! Just like Scientology!
Just because he used a MLM platform doesn't mean all MLM businesses are schemes or evil.
Just like Christianity and all religion
Scientology was literally based off of occultism/Satanism. He gave it the name "scientology" to conceal that fact. L Ron Hubbard's son said that in an interview and that interview is on TH-cam.
@@nomdeplume2213 well said
Just like Pimpology!
One of the creepy parts of this story is that the female doctor who did the actual branding is still practicing and at-large,
That's in SANE!!! I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE HOW THIS WILL END. I WANT TO SEE ##EMILIANOSALINAS IN JAIL!! HE'S WAS K. RENIERI RIGHT HAND MAN IN MEXICO!!! SALINAS IS THE SON OF FORMER MEXICAN PRESIDENT CARLOS SALINAS.... A BLOODY PRESIDENT HE WAS!!!!
THIS IS HORRIBLE!!!
In a tattoo parlour?
@M B I hope that's true. She should never practice again. I even question her being able to do volunteer medical work given the extreme sadism of her acts.
Darren Willett Amazing what money does. She probably has paid someone to back off. Vicious cycles everywhere.
I'm horrified!! I hope her name was publicised
He's not brilliant...he's a dirty old narcissist with a criminal bent who chose to exploit women. He needs to stay in prison and not get out.
He barely passed his regular classes at a technical college, and had a C average. NYT said his claims of Guiness listing him as the smartest person in the world, were also BS. He didn't even make a US top 10 list. The IQ test was probably an online, 10 question, 'Where's Waldo' quiz, if that. There are no actual records of him having anything but basic schooling. Wouldn't an insanely smart person graduate early, or skip grades if speaking and reading at an extremely advanced level? He barely seems to understand any of the polysyllabic words he spewed, in hopes of impressing young, ignorant girls.
@@lynnlynn9124 Love it! The ones who tout their own brilliance are seldom, if ever, brilliant.
@@lisamcdonald2877
Notice how proven Mensa level geniuses like Einstein and Stephen Hawking never called themselves geniuses.
4G12 According to Albrecht Fölsing's Einstein biography Einstein was an exceedingly modest person who never aggrandized himself. However he knew his worth and made exorbitant wage demands, which the universities usually agreed to pay.
MsBlueRyan If he was able to charm women, who were consenting adults with full mental faculties, and they offered themselves to him, why should that be a crime on his part? If fooling morons is a crime, then every religious leader should be in jail.
Did CBC forget to mention the child trafficking charges against NXIVM again?
Evil!
He specifically says Allison Mack was
Witches Bane Covering their pedo trafficking by exposing just this aspect of the cult. divert attention away from child trafficking by shocking us with harem admissions. Slick
564markis almost all donated to Democrats specifically Killery Clinton
Witches Bane
...hmm, apparently so.
It's not "alleged" he was just sentenced for over 100 years!!!
They made this a couple of years ago. They didnt know. Glad that guy got plenty of jail time.
this was made two years ago
@Lee 1227 yup.
@Edipus T Rexx thank you
Thank you! I am glad he’s gotten as much time behind bars as he did. Let’s just hope he doesn’t end up with a new DOS program. Well, if he’s in jail, it’d need to be named something like DUDES instead of DOS!!!
He’ll soon be experiencing “personal growth” from a new perspective in prison.
LOL!
True enough 😂🤣😄
Ew. But 🤣🤣🤣.
Ha ha ha ha ha
I hope so
Sociopaths and Psychopaths can score high on IQ tests. That doesn't mean they are fit to be leaders or score high in other areas of human intelligence and consciousness. I watched several of Keith's interviews where he was supposedly sharing his "genius." He said absolutely NOTHING. He seems to use a lot of circular logic and is clever at playing to people's insecurities and low self esteem. So when something he says actually doesn't make sense (and I saw the quizzical looks in every interviewee's eyes) they assume it's because he's a "genius" and the information is just over their heads. Honestly I was rolling my eyes at everything he said. Total garbage. But then my narcissist meter is especially sensitive. lol
we can be leaders too. I coached my sons team and all the kids loved me except the one kid who thought he was going to do what he wanted and not run plays. We won the championship too. I was always the leader on my teams growing up too since I was the best player the majority of the time.
So you're saying you're a sociopath or a psychopath with a high IQ who can also coach his son's team? lol I'm thinking you didn't exactly understand what I wrote. But nice to know your sons team did very well. Congrats!
From what I got it just seems like you don't think sociopaths are capable of doing the same things as "normal" people. Like we're missing something. I'm sure some are. They are more than just sociopaths in my opinion. They have other issues too. Or some are just psychopaths who feel no empathy ever, so it's easier for them to commit crimes and not care about hurting anyone.
Eric Bogar So you ARE self identifying asa sociopath! That is really something-never seen that before. If you are so self enlightened, do think it is possible to work on yourself and change-for the good? Because as someone who was very miserably married to a narcissistic sociopath, it was a living hell.
So you ARE self identifying asa sociopath! That is really something-never seen that before.
Wrong, im exactly like him, dont worry i dont need to change , im no married :D
I just watched the 8 hour documentary on this subject. You explained more in 20 minutes than they did in 8 boring hours. Thank you!
The Seduced documentary is better. It’s also better than this 20 minute rundown, although it’s shorter.
@@quleughy
Which one? Link maybe? Plz...😚🙏🤝
Link?
good to know
People that constantly smile without an apparent reason seem disingenuous to me
They're insane or on drugs.
Then I guess I would seem disingenuous to you. I like smiling it makes me feel happier.
Personally, I feel there are two ways to smile that say what this guy is referring to and then what others feel like is there personal pure joy! The former being, showing a big teeth smile that never changes and the later oscillates with simply being human as emotions change.
@@abelmcguire6252 I would say there are hundreds of different ways to smile. I usually have a slight smile with no teeth on my face simply because if I don't it looks like I'm angry.
I agree.. It's the same ick factor that occurs when someone intentionally uses your name in conversation.
In particular when someone isn't that close to you and intentionally engages in a manner that is too familiar.
It's sleaze detection #101
How can you be enlightened when your ego is bigger than the titanic?
Good question! ✔
1337S0lja it's a Personality Disorder the DSM calls Narcissistic Personality Disorder...HIGH on the spectrum lol. Not funny, disturbing...
'I am no longer I but a hollow tube to bring fire down from heaven''. The question is good cuz you either have to remove the conscious I, the ego, to become one with the whole set- setting- natural relation to life but on the other side, it is all about the conscious I that wants this. Which one is it? - To lose your ego like some guru or in a monastery or try to make your Ego = to the spirit of nature?
Exactly
I think he just reached a point where his ego became so big he was too close to actually see its size
Shortly after leaving the Berkshires last year I received a message from a poet I met out there telling me that a couple of the women I had hung out with during my time there were associated with this organization. It totally tripped me out because I was feeling very isolated despite having a great job and was getting a lot of spirited invites from these women. Something told me not to involve my self too deeply, tho. I'm grateful for divine guidance and a healthy intuition.
Wow!!! I'm so happy you didn't get involved in this! Bless your heart & intuition 🙏🏻💕
What is divine guidance?
Did he take a Facebook quiz IQ test? I was a genius on there as well and I'm noooott even close. 😂😂🤣🤣
Denise Hopper lol I got a score of 150 I’m a genius I’m gonna start a cult too
Me too. Damn it, I thought I was special. 😂
😂🤣😅
That’s too funny 😂
He took the Mega Society entrance exam, which is a highly controversial gauge. Mega Society insists their 48-question exam, taken by a few hundred people a year, can determine whether your intelligence is in the top .0001% of humanity. Anyone who understands probability or statistics or both understands this claim has not been established, and almost certainly can't be true.
The smartest humans on earth recognize these tests are garbage and don't waste their time on them.
How is anyone "captivated" by such an obviously dull man?? 😪
acid?
low self esteem
He seems to come across like some vaguely hippyish college philosophy professor
He has such a crazy , weird look in his eyes when he speaks with people. Not to mention 90 percent of his ideologies made NO sense intuitively . He wasn’t even wise . As I watched the docu, I was like what? How are people falling for his “wisdom and genius”. The only thing genius about him was his manipulation skill and ability to lure people into his trap
@@danaprovenzano3961 don't forget, it wasn't just him. There was also Nancy Salzman doing a lot of the public work.
It is sad that these people didn't do their research into Consumers Buyline before committing to Nxivm.
Hes a mix between David Mcsavage and R. Kelly with the potential to go full blown Jim Jones...... that's scary!
No doubt
Reminds me of Charles Manson
Jin Jones was an intelligent man..but not real smart.
Well said
Very good analogy!
DOS stands for "Dominus Obsequious Sororium", which is apparently Latin for "Master over Slave Women". "Self empowerment group", eh?
Not exactly
Whoa
I be-lie-ve it was the Roman Catholic Empire that started that "'Master over Slave" Caste Beast System! They sure were sick and sadistic and Democide was their favorite Sport and Control Mechanism! Obviously nothing has changed in the 21st Century!
And lol reps lingerie over leggings
That's not quite the translation. I think they made a mistake
I guarantee he DOES NOT have a 240 IQ. Why am I right and he's wrong? He is sitting in jail and I am not.
I'm not saying that he has a high IQ... but just because he's in jail and you're not doesn't mean he isn't a genius. Ego can take over intellect in a heart beat. Maybe he got over-confident and didn't think he was going to be caught for anything.... then "voila".... now he's sitting in jail.
Jack Thompson: IQ has nothing to do with wisdom / wise life choices. One can have a low IQ and still possess the wisdom and integrity to stay out of jail (barring being framed). One can be brilliant and have minimal moral character.
Yup. An intelligent person knows their limits. Stupidity breeds greed to the point of self sabotage.
Thank you
Technically even if he did have an IQ of 240 he doesnt now because the older you get, generally the lower your iq is being that age is the denominator in the equation
It sounds like he was exactly like the Scientology and the Mormon guy I guess the only difference is that this dude got caught.
the mormon dude got caught, just some how (sorta) runs it from jail.
There is no REAL "Mormon" dude running things from jail. That guy you're referring to is a cult leader. He has absolutely nothing to do with the over 17 million people of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It's frustrating for me, a regular good person who knows better, to see people confuse my faith with a relatively small group of cultists living in a secret society in the middle of the desert. I feel sorry for any of the sincere people stuck out there and especially the poor children in that cult led by that guy in jail. (I hope they still don't follow him.) Peace.
@@lorielizabethwade7505 you sincerely believe that a convicted con man found golden tablets that only he could see and read then he needed help to write down what was on the tablets because he could not write and read......... Seems legit
@Sean Clark God requires worship... and made man in his image... so saith the book. Somehow people are surprised when some people decide they also require a form of worship of themselves. Those who believe in this narcissistic god open themselves up to this delusion. Children eventually grow up and realize there is no Santa Claus. However because of a collectively accepted mythology, many people in this world forsake logic and reason to believe without any proof of an imaginary man in the sky. We are individual free agents capable of rational thought. Accepting the chains of belief while refuting logic may be the norm in this world at this time. But times they are a changing.
In other words, it sounds like just about every religion ever created. ALL religions are cults with predators and victims - some are just more mainstream than others.
quit saying he is brilliant....and glorifying this crap
People that don't believe in this stuff that you are trying to wake up aren't going to listen unless you come off soft like this. It's sad.
He knows how to manipulate would be enough
many serial killers / psycopaths / sociapaths have high IQs &/or are charismatic - IMO they arent saying he was 'brilliant' (thats your word/impression) - they are just acknowledging certain facts about him that caused this eg he had a very high IQ, was very charismatic & was a successful business man - doesnt make him any less of a 'monster' - it actually makes him worse than your average sociopath as he was probably very aware of what he was doing
Exactly as John Foy pointed out, he is indeed brilliant. But he didn't use his brilliance for good. Many people who have done horrible things are extremely intelligent.
He did get three degrees from RPI. My theory is that he is collecting women for post-apocalyptic repopulation efforts.
His indictment included child abuse charges, why no mention of this?
Because this article is being reported by the MEDIA
Where does it say about child abuse?
@@Aggrobiscuit I look at the warrant it doesn't mention that. Go check it and hyperlink me the source.
Probably because it’s a sensitive topic, especially since this doc was made when the charges were still in court.
They made videos on this topic after this one
Mark Twain said, "It's easier to fool someone than convince them they've been fooled." Even more when you have "skin" in the game.
That's why pro football players go broke chasing bad investments with worse ones.
And that's how people join a self help group and, after paying lots of money and the giving of their time, chase a return on that investment.
Trying to get that return creates a "blind spot" for evil. Instead of cutting your losses, you double down.
Sunk cost fallacy, exactly
Exactly. The more you've already poured into the black hole, the more totally unacceptable the idea that it is a black hole becomes. You have to either keep believing the delusion or accept the crash of your entire worldview.
He deserved every one of the 120 years he got when you hear the real/whole story!
That lawyer is so slimy...
he’s just doing his job. A lawyer has an ethical obligation to set aside their feelings and put forward the best possible defense they can for their client. And that’s a good thing. Everyone, no matter what they’re accused of, has the right to a legal defense by competent attorney. That said, Keith Raniere is a monster and I’m sure Marc Agnifilo’s best efforts won’t keep him from getting what he rightly deserves: decades on federal prison. But Agnifilo isn’t being slimy, he’s doing what he’s supposed to do.
@@joeray7899 But he is being slimy, telling lies in the name of defending your client is wrong and slimy, not just giving him his best defense. And lawyers at his level choose their clients, and their price. He's in it for the money, not the justice of providing legal aide to an accused citizen. Doing wrong or illegal things for money is the definition of slimy.
Patrick Raymond too bad he is poor at defending his client... funny
Its a lot like Scientology
He took Ron L Hubbard’s theory of ... create a religion and you will be rich.
He actually used part of scientology theory in creating nxvim theory
This was my first thought. He's a less successful L. Ron Hubbard.
Sharon MarieB q
Bryn Stuart Jones , the difference is that Scientology pays its bills to the right people, corrupted government.
These people got caught for not paying bills thinking they were all covered.
And yeh Scientology still out there recruiting people.
Not as effectively as in the past, though. The thing about Scientology's target audience is that they're generally wealthy, well-connected people who CAN find a way out.
Graham Strouse - and targeting hard working and/or desperate people who’d be willing to join their Sea Org (and prolly other groups within the cult) to carry out the jobs the wealthier members won’t do.
Graham Strouse You should check where they’ve opened a major new center in Dublin, in one of the city’s poorest, most socioeconomically deprived areas.
They've bought out essential parts of the cities in which they reside including the police departments so it doesnt shock me that they havent yet been prosecuted.
@@vercoda9997 apparently they buy a lot of property but don't do anything with it to give the illusion that Scientology is still expanding.
I am continually amazed the great efforts that guys will make on behalf of getting off. If all that energy went into doing something more constructive, this world might be a better place.
It’s probably more about power. Power about women, in this case.
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Well said!!
I agree with another response, that is, this case is about power. We see it everyday, however society has a great ability to compartmentalize and justify the actions of one group while recognizing the horrors of groups using the same manipulations. Look at our current political atmosphere and groups gaining traction like Q’anon. Are we capable of intellectual honesty when we are motivated by fears or things we do not understand?
It's basically the same as breaking away from a narcissistic family. Narcissistic personality disorder is way underestimated for it's cancerous effect on all of society.
Yes, family being a microcosm, I have a family member who is narcissistic and it created complete dysfunction and destruction.
@@stj971 I understand completely. Healing prayers to you... it's no easy path to break away.. 🙏🌻
Yep.......
I am just starting to discover Smallville for the first time and Chloe Sullivan is one of my fav character. I was shocked to know what Allison Mack has done in real life. She seemed innocent and pure. You really cannot judge a book by its cover.
It's called acting. Her and the rest of hollyweird
I'm in the Nexium cult, I have horrific acid reflux.
I'm sorry honey. R you ok?
@@reflections4me Oh hun, you are such a beautiful human being for saying all of this. But, Nexium is a drug that I am prescribed for my acid reflux and I thought everyone knew about Nexium, as it has had so many commercials and is available over the counter, so I expected everyone to understand the joke. I'm sorry. You do lend more hope for humanity though, Blessed Be.
@@sdidora5 Thank you, sweetheart. I do actually have horrific acid reflux, among the 20 or more chronic illness that I have and your concern is lovely. But yes, it is a joke because Nexium is what I take for it. I just thought everyone knew what Nexium was and that it was silly that a cult was named that. Blessed Be.
Isis Blackfeather
Funny!
It's weird that NXIVM doesn't really have any meaning, like an acronym or an abbreviation for something, but it is pronounced "Nexium."
@@mpemberton7760 Exactly.
My husband LOVES Superman and LOVED the show Smallville. So it was a real punch in the gut to find out about Allison Mack and her role in it
I was in Scientology for many years. So many similarities between NXIVM and Scientology!
It’s so interesting. North America seems to be a hot spot for cults.
I wonder why? Too many empty & unhappy souls under the star spangled banner?
I don’t see where folks think that guy is charisma ..... he opens his mouth and talks about NOTHING!!!!
The true answer to your question is politically incorrect but there is a answer
Also to a large degree these people should take responsibility and accountability for themselves for allowing them to become sheeple and being manipulated.
@@vadeultramusic but at the same time these people are not helpless victims.
Hi, great content! I'm Mexican and I wanted to make a correction the big three Mexican muralist are Rivera, Orozco and Siqueiros. Not Frida Kahlo.
Thanks!
Hi Josh, loved the work on this piece. Just wondering why the child molestation accusations weren’t discussed in the podcast with Keith’s lawyer? Can you speak to this?
And why Kirsten Gilibrand and Hillary Clinton's connections to the group were not explored. Or why they didn't talk about NXIVM's hacking of MANY high profile executives and politicians. Yeah, really light on the real issues behind this story.
Alex jones would say CBC is part of the trade and want u to forget by erasing it and highlighting other sick crimes
@@realslimtone because you read a photoshopped indictment
@@PureAmericanPatriot because you read a photoshopped indictment
They updated with this info in a later video
Why is nobody in jail.
Well, Raniere IS in jail
MegaTriumph1 Allison Mack has been arrested and I think her bail is a million..I'm not sure if she out yet..but I herd she totally throwing him under the bus.
There's bigger fish to fry, and its not Raniere.
@@erikkajuvonen8030 Allison Mack is out on bail but is on house arrest. She is currently living with her parents.
@Parasceve You sound like you fit right into this cult. Worthless worm.
I watched "the Vow", every time he came on to preach his stuff, my reaction was always, what the eff is this guy talking about, and how could anyone fall for this
Just pure garbage out of his mouth. It comes to tell you ppl have a tough time differentiating between confidence and brilliance
This attorneys strategy is brilliant-syncing with Raniere’s contempt of victims while assuring the attorney gets paid. Paying lip service to a client has rarely been so costly. To the client.
It saddens me right to my heart to think and know that Allison did this.
@Sharon MarieB geeze calm down
@Sharon MarieB aaaaarrrrrrlright captain capslock!
I can't. She is my Lover.
Mick Berry she’s only your lover if you go out and get those recruits
@@rcalphonse2701 you sound jealous. 😍
Dreadful. How does the lawyer sleep at night?
@James Black pills!
With tons of cash on his bed for defending his clients.
He’s the same type of person basically 😥
It's not hard to imagine with his lack of looks he got so many followers. It's not about A LOOK, it's about how you make someone feel.
lmao that guy thinks he's enlightened when he is actually a sociopath
Pimp Mack was a brutal sadist
Nancy salzman is also guilty and should be investigated.
She angers me more than anything. Except for the Salzmans!! Ugh 🤦♀️
Allison is a talented , beautiful but troubled young lady . Don't kick her when she is down , don't dog her out .
WHY didn't anyone track his immediate family members down and talk to them?
Right? Maybe they did.
Oh good point.
They probably tried.
Although, it was kind of odd listening to his parents distance themselves from him and explain his behavior simply by saying “we sat him down when he was little and told him he was very special.” And ever since he acted like he was better than everyone. ? They didn’t have any obligation to explain their son’s actions but then again they didn’t have to give an interview either. I looked all over but that was the only comment they ever made trying to rationalize his early behavior.
Probably embarrassed
This story is awful and horrifyingly familiar. But I have to say that this journalist is fantastic. His voice is so nice and his tone is so calm while not detracting from the terrible things that he is describing. I was able to understand so well.
I'll never be able to watch Smallville again after this.
Hell no
super genius selling Amway? really? give it a rest.this man is rotten I agree.
Allison Mack is a Mini Maxwell, a Mini Ghislaine...
Full on abuser...nothing mini about it. But I got your thinking!!
While I don’t condone her behaviour and agree she should do jail time she must have been dreadfully brutalised too... this cannot be what she wanted for her life
Not watching Smallville.
6:32 "they can whisper questions in his ear"
psst, what kinda sandwich u want for lunch?
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Stop calling her a slave. She had free reign to leave or, you know, not brand her initials on women at any time.
What he practiced was polygamy. Not polyamory.
I don't think love was involved in the polywhatever you call it.
Wow i can't believe his lawyer is trying to play the sexiest card. He must be desperate.
His lawyer sounds just as misogynistic so it suits.
Raniere’s GPA upon graduation from RPI was 2.26, hardly “genius” level.
His genius was in manipulation of mostly flawed people.
Wait.. "Want to be branded"?? No, babe. These women were not joining knowing they were going to go through a branding ceremony and become slaves to some egomaniac.
But hey, if you're implying that the male frats that are getting branded are doing it to be slaves to a woman, I'd be more than happy to hear that story. 🤨
These double standards are shocking!
She is just as guilty as the leader.
3 years is ridiculous.
I think he was just convicted. What a sick & evil person.
Please take the word "alleged" out of the title. This has been proven and is not alleged
amazing that, once she coped a plea, poor Allison Mack suddenly becomes the innocent victim who's strength we should applaud. Prior to her plea agreement the US Government Identified Mack and CBS and all the other major media outlets were happy to do same, as the second in command at DOS. Apparently all it takes for some privledged individuals to have their entire image turned around in the media is some tears in court, the "I'm just a victim" plea and a "It was all his fault" statement. I mean her tears and her court preformence had be to 100% genuine right? I mean its not like she's a trained and experience actress, right?
Yeah she needs to go to prison
I'm disappointed with her sentence. I understand she squealed like a pig and gave some vital information to prosecutors (and I also happen to love her as an actress) but she should have gotten 10-15 years at least for what she did. She traumatized so many people. The plea deal angle is just misused by people.
I don't care how brilliant a sociopath is. I'd much rather have emotional intelligence, and feel emotional highs and lows. Sociopaths tend to thrill seek to the point of danger and destruction of themselves and everyone around them just to feel anything at all. They can't relate to people emotionally, so they've learned to observe and mimic others to try to "fit in". They can be very charming, and will try to impress and relate to you on a superficial level. They believe that they are better than everyone else, because that is easier than just being different, and in their minds it justifies their perception that everyone around them are mere pawns that they can control. One of the first signs that a person is a sociopath is to watch their eyes. Their face may be expressive, but their eyes will be emotionless. Then ask them something that should elicit an emotional response while rendering yourself emotionless. They will not know how to react, but will tell you what they think you want to hear. I have met and worked with some sociopaths in my time, it is best to keep them at a distance and don't give them any personal information, or they may use it to their advantage.
That’s Trump in a nutshell.
A prime characteristic of a narcissist is the need for constant validation and attention from everyone around.
STOP SAYING "ALLEGEDLY" WHEN THE PROOF IS THERE!
It blows my mind that these women just went along with this like they had no control over themselves.
Me too, they give a new meaning to Educated Fools and they have no morals whatsoever. They sold their souls, for a chance to make worthless money
Yeah and he is not even attractive at all! I couldn't even kiss him...GAG
He's charmless and says nothing whilst saying alot ..no genius
Could not have said it better.
His penchant for 'word salad' may have been a gaslighting tactic- he wants people to think they're not smart enough to understand him. He tried it on the NXIVM 9, and it's a lot less effective when your targets are coordinated with each other and agree you're speaking gibberish. After three days, sweating bullets, he gave up and told them he'd killed people in order to scare them silent.
As a woman who has been scarred from accidents and surgeries, I would never in my right mind voluntarily be scarred like that.
I read Sarah's book and she was told by Lauren, her best friend in NXIVM, that it would be a tattoo the size of a dime. She apparently didn't know until the ceremony.
I honestly recommend watching Philip Defrancos video on NXIVM because this guy is really sugarcoating it. Phil actually gets into all the horrifying details that went on
Link?
Thanks, I'm watching them now.
I Live In Albany, Let me Tell You That place always gave me the creeps.
I always felt that place was a cult but most people from Albany Didnt really knew it was that bad.
Sounds like the story of Charlie Manson and the Manson Family! 😂😂😂 cult like! Maybe better optics and marketing!
I Was Gonna say the same thing😀 So Obvious..I can see rgt through him..Hes so transparent💯👈💯👈
Raniere is the David Koresh to rich people.
"What kind of person needs a constant validation for themselves" Aren't they just called Celebrities?
Wasn't smart enough not to get caught..now was he?
The stress placed on being "ethical" in NXIVM is completely laughable. Also, women's self-empowerment and the slave/master model are obviously mutually exclusive. How could any woman on this planet who wants to be self-empowered agree to that? Really sad.
They were brainwashed!
I met Keith at a "wheelbarrow-party" back in the day. He was a brilliant conversationalist. I was hanging on every word. he knew stuff. Knew the Lama. You were basically bowled over by his phenomenal personality and he, even then, could make you feel like you wanted him, like he was The Man. The 5 minutes i spent with him was like a complex universe of mind-expansion into his imagination. We parted and I never saw him again. I forgot about him. Till now. How lucky I was not to be in his cult. Greta Bollth told me he could make his smile jump into your face. I don't know what that means. I don't want to find out.
NXIVM I have never heard of this organization or the founder of it, thank you for this history lesson all the best. 8/14/2019
Also, can we please start discussing how cult leaders often drug their potential recruits without the recruit's knowledge to induce "spiritual experiences" during recruitment? And also likely as a group activity to reinforce the supposed "mysticism" of the ideology and leader. I just don't understand why this isn't discussed, it seems so mind blowingly obvious to me.
You look great! How’d you like to join my club?
Thank you for reporting on this story. I haven't heard much about it since they were both arrested. So thank you for keeping the public educated.
What's truly scary is the lawyer's spin on everything.
Do you know when the trial will start?
A lawyers job is to take an angle, it's not "scary".
@@andyd6338 That is my emotional response to his angle.
Keith Raniere did what Charlie Manson did all over again.
Osho is their inspiration.even the place...oregon.ewh.
If NXIVM was as structured as Scientology, Keith would have been just fine and thriving right now.
Everyone talks about Allison Mack like she’s supposed to be famous, but honestly I had never heard of her before this scandal broke. Some actress 🙄
she's not that famous, but Smallville was quite famous...... loved that show
Just because you don’t know who she was doesn’t mean others didn’t. Get over yourself. You’re a douche bag. 🙄
Wendy Thomas you sound like you’re from NXIVM. Good luck making up for all of the damage that you’ve done to this world you psycho.
Wendy Thomas also I put an irreversible curse on you and your kids ahahhahahahaah
Nona Congratulations. You’ve accomplished nothing.
The beautiful Allison mack always made my heart melt. her smile is irresistible. She's bubbly and adorable. When i heard about that mess i was in shock. I am very sad for what's going on now with her. I am sad for all the victims and i cannot imagine Allison in prison for years. :(
And I cannot imagine what she put so many through either. :-( Being bubbly and adorable was her best role ever.
She is very personable. I can see the attraction. Beautiful smile. But man she had an empty soul. I pity her. But still want her locked up. At some point we all know when we’re doing wrong. She’s so broken.
He makes people feel like they're the only person in the room...
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Especially when he locks the door after everyone leaves and they realize they're the only other person in the room...
1st sign of a Predatory type. Love bombing.
JW's
The word “child” in relation to trafficking or abuse is noticeably absent, yet it’s in the charges.....?
I always wanted to know why she wasnt with the Cast at the Comic cons and others, now I know why. Sad that she choose to live her life this way
He's not smart enough to stay out of jail
Last month I posted some firsthand comments and wanted to be sure I was accurately quoting them. So, with her encouragement, part of the writer’s 2018 letter: “(Raniere) was always a pyramid scheme with himself on top. He set the standard for men. Men set the standard for women, who were inherently substandard because they weren’t men. Our job was to ‘grow’ by finding and submitting to superior men while ignoring the inferiors. Since Keith was the world’s most highly evolved male, he was everyone’s superior, making our jobs easier...There’s nothing in the big handbook by female independent thinkers because they’re anathema to Keith Raniere. But all I heard was the opposite: ‘He’s a feminist. He’s celibate. He knows it’s a man’s world because he’s a man, he’s sharing his insider hacks to toughen you up and help you survive it. You should be grateful. And anyway, if anyone asks-he’s not involved with the women’s groups, they’re strictly grassroots.’ When you were too tired, hungry and unsure to ask why women’s emancipation consisted of being the right man’s property, you were ready for the next phase...What finally did it? Being asked to recruit others into what I was going through...I kept seeing myself in POWs, Holocaust survivors, sexually abused kids. At what point did they all say they felt broken? When they were made to betray their friends. After that, they could never again claim to be innocent, ethical, or used; now they were conspirators. When I knew I couldn’t explain to a friend why this wasn’t what it looked like, I was done. I can’t claim I had some epiphany, but this is what I tell my kids: with the exception of prying you from a burning car, there’s no such thing as hurting someone for their own good. This includes punishment, which becomes unjust when it outstrips the crime. Challenge is good, hurt is not. Anyone who really wants to help you grow will show you the way to the sun.”
Couldn't he use his genius on something helpful and useful and be powerful if he wanted
“What kind of a person needs constant validation, birthday celebration, photos every where”, every prophet?
This gives me Charles Manson vibes I think that was his name.
They were all victims of their desperation to be part of something that's going to be the next great movement, the leader the followers they all fed off of eachother & their desperate needs
I agree. I don't see them as "victims" but as willing participants. It's like people that invested money in the Bernie Madoff scheme.
Sounds like QAnon.
2-words:
MK-Ultra or Mind 'Kontrol'
smartest man in the world...is not smart enough to stay out of prison
Jared Leto puts on 40 pounds and plays him in the biopic.
..or in real life. My jury's still out on that guy.
30 Seconds to Meh
@@ClichéGuevara-2814 he's a big meh
Jared Leto would be a great choice, he’s already got lots of experience in forming cults
@@jam406 True that.
"I tried having male assistants at first. But it didn't work. They tend to be too independent. Men like to have individuality. Women can become an extension of the boss." Maxwell, Robert Ghislaine father.
I love how this channel sugar coats everything they report on
chris Sorensen and this is our national broadcast organization.. welcome to canada
Thank you, someone with an uncontrolled mind.
How is any of this sugar coated ? Lol
It sounds bloody awful.
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Next: *Scientology*
His trial to begin April 29, 2019.
Convicted 6/19
Thank you for the truth in reporting. This warns people and saves lives. bless you.
Allison Mack was a recruiter who named names. Big names.