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- Toxic masculinity and misogyny have no place in the queer community. In Episode 5, grindr users put femme-shaming on blast and point the way to a #KindrGrindr. Yes, Femmes! 💜www.kindr.grindr.com
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I've known a lot of femme guys like the ones in this video. They've ALL said they would never date another femme. Here lies the problem. They blame masc guys for not dating them, but they themselves wouldn't date themselves.
There's a difference between not wanting to date those who are feminine and having prejudices against ones
But they are far less likely to hold prejudice toward someone similar to themselves in respect to feminine expression. Get real. I don't care if you have 50 likes or 5,000 likes - internalized oppression is very real and toxic masculinity is often the root cause.
@@klein33able I've seen the opposite. Fems are the most critical of other fems. Same with fats.
Fats lol I’m sure you have criticized. But yes, some fems criticize. Many people do. But I’d say internalized oppression rooted in toxic masculinity is far more apparent on the app.
They don’t date each other because we are gay and we are attracted to MEN. They do everything to repress being men so what do they expect lmaooo they have a better than of landing a lesbian than a gay man who is into MEN lmao
I'll bet anything that all of these guys secretly desire the "toxic masculine" men that they pretend to hate lmao
They don’t care unless a masculine man is dating a masculine man. Let’s be honest, they are just envious.
@@juniorqindes8335 Yeah, I just hate their self-entitlement and hypocrisy.
One hundred percent. This entire video was cringe. Fem guy: "I just feel like I can't even hit up the 'masc4masc' guys without getting rejected." - well, no shit, because you're feminine and they clearly stated they're looking for masculine lol. That's like another gay dude going "I just feel like I can't even hit up those "male for female" guys without getting rejected. The stupidity in this video kills me lol
True - I've known a lot of femme guys like the ones in this video. They've ALL said they would never date another femme. They blame masc guys for not dating them, but they themselves wouldn't date themselves.
@@cloudambient thank you. You said it right.
Complains about being bashed
.. immediately bashes masculinity.
I'm pretty sure More than one of them look for masc guys
Eltipoquevisteayer The double standard. These fem queens want masc dudes and that's perfectly ok. But god forbid a masc man want another masc man.
I 100% guarantee you that they all prefer masc guys.
@@QueerCapricorn6572 lol your opinion
More than one?
@@aunpaidintern7035 how are you victimizing yourself..... last time I checked femmes weren’t the ones shaming themselves, ostracizing themselves and making themselves the butt of the gay jokes that was mascs so don’t come here with that “boohoo woe is me that I can’t shame femmes or add onto a societal notion that masc is better now”
I don't care how you act, what color you are or what you're attracted to. If someone isn't your preferred type, move along, no need to say anything. Shaming them is just your own insecurities shining through.
I agree with everything apart from race. Racial standards are due to life experience and environmental factors. If them factors were different then people's racial standards and opinions on race would also be different.
As for age, weight and ability, these standards are evolutionary and are a result of natural selection. The fem thing might be both social and biological.
These comments are filled with the security of ignorance.
It's not even about that. 'Not into femmes' as a response to a self described femme who hits you up and wants to know why is 'femme shaming' it's a statement of fact.
'Preferences' aren't negotiable, they aren't a social construct, and in actual fact they aren't even preferences because you cannot in fact change them very much.
And so I'm kind of sick of moralising finger waggling tut tuting old women trying to tell me what sort of homosexual I should be.
People with absolutely no self insight parotting the ideology of their in group and who are only distinguishable from evangelical Christians by virtue of dressing like a cartoon unicorn.
If you want to wear a dress, put on glitter, nail polish and other make and swan around like the Queen of Sheba, more power to you. But you can do it without my input, preferably out of my immediate vicinity, such grandstanding and desperately needy attention seeking behaviour annoys the fuck out of me.
Because it's fake, inauthentic and acting, solely to be the centre of attention without actually achieving any real mastery of yourself letalone any mastery of a skill or talent.
It has absolutely zero to do with sexuality or 'gender' so you have absolutely no claim to victim status if people simply avoid you and tell you your ultra needy behaviour creeps them out and they do not wish to associate with you because they enjoy the company of men and you simply aren't acting like one.
When it gets annoying is when I ignore them, they keep messaging and messaging and messaging. I don’t do femmes. Period. Don’t like to hang out with them, don’t have common interests, can’t stand the over flamboyant personality and that’s fine by me.
@@MrGoatflakes Bro, It's not that hard lol. If you don't like a particular person messaging you then block em. It's that easy. I don't like masculine men. Even says it on my profile, but they'll still message me, so I easliy just block them. I don't even bother telling them I'm not interested.
This is the problem right here. You can’t be mad at people for having preferences. Just because I’m masc, doesn’t mean I’m under some guise. If I don’t want to talk to some girly, cupcake fairy, I don’t have to. It’s MY preference
I hate whiners. People are going to be attracted to who they are going to be attracted to. If it isn’t you, that’s just too bad. You are not entitled to other peoples desire. That is strictly up to them. What I am hearing is a bunch of cranky guys with unrealistic expectations. While nobody has the right to belittle you for being effeminate, you don’t have the right to expect their sexual interest if they don’t have any in you No matter what their reason is.
Just because I’m masculine doesn’t mean I’m “hiding behind the guise of heteronormativity”. I’m being myself, just like you. Way to detract from the point you were trying to make. If you want other people to respect your personality then respect theirs.
Not everyone is innate like u r , some are trying to be masculine very hard and u can tell
@@alexflax2324 so? Shouldn't you still respect them for that, it's still their life decision?
@@alexflax2324 and some try to be excessively feminine, you can tell they’re putting it on. Either way what’s the issue?
@@liamjc2182 oh, people are living their lives the way they want and apparently that’s a problem. .-.
Hey :) I think what we mean is that some men are pushed into this role because it´s socially more accepted. That is what we mean by that.
I am fem and I totally respect you and your decisions on expressing yourself.
And you Are right when you say that we should respect other men if they wanna be masculine because they feel that way.
Our frustration comes from the fact that beeing female as a man still is really difficult because we get insulted and people make fun of us. Male man Are praised for beeing really masculine and you get insulted or made fun of if you’re not. And on Top of that dating is really hard.
This is not your fault, the only thing we want is to be respected.
So why don't they just date each other? Oh, it's because femme guys prefer masc guys too. They're just salty the attraction isn't reciprocated.
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Not all fem men , and also just because they’re categorized as fem men doesn’t mean they identify as that
@@alexflax2324 at least half of femme men or more tbh.
@@alexflax2324 What does that even mean? I'm categorizing ALL fo these guys as fem. If they were to tell me they don't identify as "fem", then I'm at the point where "identifying" doesn't have anything to do with reality anymore.
@@cloudambient I've known a lot of femme guys like the ones in this video. They've always say they would never date another femme. They like to blame masc guys for not dating them, but they themselves wouldn't date themselves.
Femme shaming is rude. Hate seeing it. At the same time I am attracted to masculinity and I am a fairly "masculine". I once told a "femme" guy that he wasn't my type because after a week of seeing eachother I could tell we had nothing in common. He didn't like sports, didn't like camping, doesn't like to surf and didn't like cars, but he wasn't getting the hint and he flipped and called me a "typical straight acting faggot" and said "I'm probably more of a queen than him". I am sick of all the "masc" shaming where the community thinks that you are putting on an act if you like anything considered as a masculine. It's like they are saying,"if you suck dick then you can't be masculine".
Exactly, fem and masc culture is very different as a masc guy im very fashionable and buy dumbshit but its not 95 percent of what i do. I like camping and whatnot. They don't do any of that where I'm at. So it's hard to make a connection and find some common ground. With a masc guy there's always something
Hey, I am a fem guy. Maybe I can explain it better.
First of all it’s totally valid to be or be not interested in someone. I think the frustration we have comes from the fact that dating as a „fem“ man is really difficult because we get rejected 95% of the time. And this feeling is devastating and sometimes we begin to think that we have to give up on love to be your authentic self. And sure, self confidence is key. And we are. But love is also a huge aspecto in life. It‘s not your fault for not liking it. It‘s just hard to accept the fact that most of us will end up alone.
On top of that we get insulted by other men and one time I got punshed in the face just for wearing make up.
And the experience with the guy you had comes maybe from this whole background I mentioned. When you get rejected a lot of times you get cold in your Heart. And this coldness can turn into frustration. It never justifies his actions against you and I feel sorry for that. It just reflects his own hurting.
@@uglyken0 hey, I am a fem boy and I love camping, dancing, swimming and running. But I act more „fem“ and I do make up. Please try not to put us all in the box. Try to think it in the way that interests don’t necesarrily determine female acting.
@@lennbess1445 I mean not that it needs to be vocalized but yes there will always be exceptions to any group...but we already knew that so it goes without saying..
@@uglyken0 Yeah, I get what you mean. In general it´s hard to make assumptions about a certain group and not stigmitize it. I mentioned it cause maybe others wouldn‘t get it that way.
Lol who else accidentally clicked this ad while on grindr.
People like who they like, period. It's really not rocket science. 😪
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Right, but the problem that you and many like you fail to acknowledge is the rudeness and even hostility one with an alternative gender expression/look, etc. faces when using this application. It is a problem and it mirrors beliefs and attitudes found in the real world that are discriminatory. I don't think you are getting it.
And I know the 35 likes will have you convinced all the more that you are right in your claim, but I can assure you as an intelligent human being, you are not. This is a serious issue and it has to do with how people treat other people.
@@klein33able You need to get off your moral high horse luv, acting like you're talking to a bunch of second graders. We know what this is and we know why it is.
Me choosing to tell a fem gay, whom I usually am not attracted to that I'm simply NOT interested doesn't make me or others apart of the problem, so don't be roping ME in with the nasty ass people who specifically target people like the one's in this video and make them feel bad about being who they are, wasting your goddamn time on someone who isn't even apart of the issue, ppl like you are so annoying lol literally so many nasty comments here and you clock me.
3:30: "It takes more of a man to be effeminate.." ???? No comment. Seriously. That stupidity speaks for itself.
It's literally like saying "It takes more of a dog to be a cat" lol
Right? Imagine the reaction if someone were to say ‘it takes more of a man to be masculine.’ How is one acceptable but the other isn’t.
@@RA984U Cats are more holy than dogs.
James Charles: "I want a straight boy."
A lot of mixed messages in this video, but the takeaway should be, that it's ok to not be attracted to someone, just be courteous when you reject them.
The hidden message is, if you're not attracted to femme guys, then you have a problem
I'm attracted to Masculine guys. If a femme guy were to hit me up, I'd either ignore them, or be straight up like hey, thank you for your interest, but I'm not into femme guys. That's it! No hate at all intended.
they aint into fems niether
Lots of pearls of stupidity in this one. Here's a breakdown in runtime order:
0:42 - "It's hurtful to certain groups of people, you know, when they have their preferences."
What's 'hurtful' in someone stating what they do and don't find attractive in the context of a sex app? Statements like these tend to actually mean "I'm upset that [preferences] exclude me because I'm attracted to the person whose preferences I don't physically adhere to."
0:46 - "I feel like I cannot hit up, like, any of those 'masc for masc' dudes cause immediately you'd get, like shot down."
Why are you 'hitting up' these 'dudes' in the first place when you know that they're probably not going to be attracted to you? They don't owe you sex (or a friendly response) when you deliberately disregard their stated preferences.
0:57 - "It's definitely trying when you think of who you are on a visual level can stop someone from wanting to interact and establish something meaningful with you."
The implication being that on a sex app, physical attraction shouldn't matter?
1:23 - "We're all queer here."
Actually, no. 'Queer' is a term utilized by some people to describe their sexuality, but Grindr is not inhabited specifically (or even primarily) by people identifying as 'queer.’ The app serves people identifying as gay, bi, trans, etc, some of whom may also identify as ‘queer.’ There are also couples (both male/male and male/female), sex workers and yes, even the occasional cis female. But regardless of this, how people understand and define themselves sexually does not mean they need to be attracted to any specific type of person. And Part of respecting others’ sexualities is respecting how they experience desire.
1:34 - “No one cares if it’s not your ‘preference;’ you wanna hide behind the word ‘preference?’ That’s fine, but no one wants to hear it…Oh, my preference is not black guys…I just can’t change that…I’m talking about things like ‘my big toe is the same size as my pinky,’ that you can’t change so get over it, but the fact that you have hate in your heart, you can always change.”
This seems somewhat off topic for a video focused on ‘femme shaming,’ but ok. So, the implication here is that all sexual based preferences are actually racist? And that not ‘changing’ these preferences makes you a bigot? And what’s with the analogy between preferences and toe sizes?
3:27 - “It takes more of a man to be effeminate and true to who you are than to hide behind this guise of heteronormativity and masculinity…”
And, true to form, the video ends with an attempt to delegitimate masculine gender performance in men with the not so subtle use of the word ‘guise’ as a way of qualifying men who behave in conventional masculine ways.
I loved all of this...thank you. As a masculine guy this was so on point.
Pretty spot on. Truth be told we can all see right through this nonsense (yes it is nonsense). I just dont understand why the kindr campaign didn't focus on "be nice when rejecting someone because they may be sensitive to parts of them they cant change" instead of this "it's wrong if you dont like me" crap we keep hearing.
@@DustinStJonn exactly that would be a better campaign. I mean it's a campaign that's unnecessary because we all know how to be nice and no video that can easily be avoided when scrolling on the app is going to change an A hole sadly. you just roll with the punches.
bardex
You took the words out of my mouth.
Not even "masc" or "fem" but agreed with statement 100%
Again there is such a double standard. It's ok for femme men to have a preference for certain types of guys and yet masculine men cannot? Nobody should be mean to anybody. If they are not what you are looking for then tell them that you are not interested and move on. For those who politely get rejected, they need to move on and not throw insults back. It's clearly an insecurity if you get upset at the person you are interested in, isn't interested in you and you resort to insults. Rejection is a part of life. Your not going to be everybodies cup of tea. Again Grindr is a hookup app. People like what they like. You cannot force somebody to be interested in you or sleep with you if you are not what they are looking for. Attraction goes both ways and until people understand that, they will continue to get hurt, because they will hopelessly hit on people that aren't interested in them. If you are femme, or masc or anywhere in between, you should own it. Be yourself and just be patient. There is someone out there that will like you for who you are.
People just have preferences though??? What if someone doesn’t like masculine guys and really likes you, would you cry discrimination for the other guy? NO LOL
There’s a difference between having a preference and making a statement about it. You don’t need to announce “no asians”. You just find the ones you want to connect with. It’s unnecessary to make a song and dance about it. It’s the same for femme. You don’t need to announce “no femmes”. It’s all subjective anyway. The guy who claims to be masculine might show up and you find his voice or mannerisms effeminate even though he doesn’t see himself that way.
@@Algorhythmical Maybe people are upfront with their preferences because they want to save some time and battery? Ever though about that? Its a totally valid reason. Also they are saving yours as well because you're not going to message him only to find out he doesn't want you... or maybe you will anyway.. to whine about his preferences, lmao.
People don't owe you sex, their time, etc,.. Besides it's literally a hookup app a gay meat market. Stop wearing your feelings on shoulders, or seek professional help.
@@harshnemesis uhh you dropped this👑
@@harshnemesis You know you could just simply swipe left if you're not happy...
@@harshnemesis EXACTLY!!!!!
There is 100% a double standard if they don't also do Masc shaming...
That is not to say I don't support EVERYONE in the community. I'm just saying... come on
So is it even rude to say "sorry, i am not into fems" ? a few quote that line like it upset them
You don't have to say you are not into "fems" you can simply be polite and say you are not looking for a romantic or sexual relationship and wish them luck or happy hunting
@@Dystpandalist dam dis ppl should not even be in the internet its da wild west out here
@@Dystpandalist Stop pc policing people, it's ok to specify a reason, especially when it's something they can change.. you're actually helping them out in case if he is being commonly rejected
@@harshnemesis so let me get this straight you’re helping someone by being rude and hateful about their physical traits or mannerisms because it’s something that they can change? Instead of being polite and simply saying no thanks I’m not interested. You know the saying if you don’t have anything nice to say don’t say anything at all. Practice that and stop being a troll.
@@lilblackfish2009 Nice spelling, it reflects on your high level of intellect and your obvious superiority in all things…. That’s sarcasm in case you didn’t get that. Get a life troll.
But these are the same dudes that only hit masculine guys so....
Exactly! None of these guys want to be with fems, which is why they're so angry about being turned down by masculine guys.
@@RA984U fuck off with ur toxic masculinity bullshit I am gender neutral gay person and gynophile somehow
I think they simply have bad taste in dressing and put tastelessly together colors and accessories.
Why would you or anyone will give the power to let you feel any way ? If someone is not into you,that's it. Why does it have to be about hate? Is about likes and what turns u on or not. Do not empower the other ppl and realize that it is what it is. Be secure & move on.
I don't want to mistreat anyone. It's not part of who I am. So without saying a word I block about 95% of the people who message me. Gets the point across quickly, saves everyone time, and I don't have to be spammed by follow-up attempts or their hurt feelings. Live and let live.
Right, but the problem that you and many like you fail to acknowledge is the rudeness and even hostility one with an alternative gender expression/look, etc. faces when using this application. It is a problem and it mirrors beliefs and attitudes found in the real world that are discriminatory. This is a serious issue and it has to do with how people treat other people. Period.
@@klein33able I definitely think some guys are assholes, and I wish other people would say nothing instead of say mean things.
Preference is not hate. Preference is not sexist. Saying Masc4Masc on ur profile (as I proudly do) is neither hateful nor shaming anyone. If you are offended by it then it just speaks to your insecurities and your need for everyone to love you. Saying Masc4Masc doesn't mean I don't accept you. It says I'm a MAN who likes MEN; not men acting like women. If you are feminine then that's who you are; accept it, love yourself and move on. But don't tell me I'm being hateful or shaming you and that my preference is not acceptable by your standards. I'm a white guy living in South Korea. When I click on a profile that says "no Westerners" or "Asian only" I use this wonderful digit called a finger to click the back button and move on. Why? Because it's their preference! If a profile says "no Masc4Masc bullshit" (as a profile in my neighborhood says) I again click the back button. I don't make a scene and have a snowflake meltdown and send 13 insulting, swearing, threatening voice messages. This is what some fem guy threw my way recently for daring to say I prefer Masc men. Fem guys, I'm sorry to be the bearer of truth, are the ones dividing our community by throwing tantrums, having meltdowns and telling us that our preference makes us sexist, racist, homophobic and even a Nazi (yes, I've been called that).
Living in europe specifically Italy and France all this time. Its not an issue at all. No one gets offended over preferences. now being a black American out there I get alot more romantic attention there than the u.s. so i can't speak on all forms of discrimination on the app but this whole fem movement specifically is nothing more but a facade that hides their real intent to change the culture in a way where you'll feel guilty for not sleeping w/ ppl outside your pref. Like sex will validate me as a true member of the community. I know its not all about sex but lets be real here.
God the stupidity of this one is so bad. It's hard to even put into words.
Ugh, all this hetero normative mambo jumbo. Being feminine is inherently a female trait, if you're carrying yourself in such a way that's more representative of the opposite sex, masculine gay men will always pass you over. If you can't tolerate people being rude, maybe the interwebs aren't the place for you.
Nobody supports bullying or negative behavior, absolutely no one. What's really chapping cheeks is people being told that what they do or do not like is steeped in some sort of prejudice or hate. That's why this entire campaign has been silly.
Someone judging you for who you are and how you behave is wrong, period. However people have different types. Some men like manly hairy bears, other men like twinks, other men prefer cross-dressers. Why does it have to be labeled as hate? If I said that I prefer skinny smooth effeminate guys and not big muscular guys, does it mean that I somehow hate the big muscular guys? We all have our type and we are all the way we are. There is someone out there who will like you for who you are and you will like them for who they are. It's called diversity.
Obviously, if they attack you and belittle you with spiteful comments for the way you are it is totally wrong but don't be upset that you are not their type.
I'm sure that the men in this video have their own preferences, but this doesn't mean that they hate any guy they don't find attractive.
@@alandashcar1453 I understand it's a dating app. It's as easy as saying "I'm not interested, thanks." And that's about it. If they ask why, well you gotta be honest, and that's fine to say "I'm not into femenine guys" but there's a difference between saying that and personal attacks.
@@alandashcar1453 Never meant that you did. It was just a general statement.
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calling people the F word is unacceptable
BUT saying I am not into Fem is not shaming , just a preference
I love all my gay family but when it comes to sex I like what I like period
There are guys out there that like that sort of thing. The problem is that they don’t know how to accept rejection. It’s a characteristic. Stop crying because the person you want doesn’t feel the same way.
True - I've known a lot of femme guys like the ones in this video. They've ALL said they would never date another femme. Here lies the problem. They blame masc guys for not dating them, but they themselves wouldn't date themselves.
@@blue3381 exactly.
Hey, I am a fem man, maybe I can explain it better :)
The frustration we have comes from the constant rejection which is not your fault. If you Are not into it You’re just not, period.
The reason what makes it so hard is that it happens in 95% of the time. And That is devastating because you think you are not desireble or not lovable. And sure, it‘s important to be self confident. And we Are. But love is a huge part for everyone. Sometimes it feels like you have to give up on love to be your true self.
All of this isn‘t your fault. It‘s just hard to accept the fact that maybe a lot of us will end up alone.
@@lennbess1445 there's millions of people in America. Figure it out. 🤷🏿♂
@@mmurph I am German btw, not from the US😅. But besides that it‘s just difficult to find people because you get either rejected or feteshized. It just sucks. And when meb say masc for masc or something it‘s just another knife in the heart. Like you didn’t even have a chance. Yeah, there is such thing as types. But I wouldn‘t exclude people just like that. I know I have also my type but I am open to people. If you like you like.
But I respect when they tell me that they Are not interested, of course. And I blame noone for not livings someone. It just hurts.
The problem is this is a case of some preferences being demonized over others. It's ok to demonize those who prefer masculine, but hate those who do not prefer femme or "non-binary".
A A - Welcome to the double standard 21st century. If you don’t like what I like and believe what I believe you’re wrong 😂
Being masculine isn't always necessarily a mechanism for gay men to conform to hetero normality. Most masculine men like me thoroughly enjoy being with a man that carries them selves in a non female way. Masc guys feel comfortable with other masc guys socially. We can't deny the differences between fem and masc culture (masc guys don't feel the pressure of having eyebrows done, being materialistic and having their sexuality be the very first thing that's put on display when they're w/ other masc guys) . Though masc men shouldn't shame fem men and No fem should be dictating who you sleep, chat or go out with.
One being issue by many femme gay guys is that they think everyone who is masculine is "acting up" (Probably because they had to act when younger). So they dismiss the men who are just being themselves and fit in the "heteronormative" male mannerisms. This idea that all gay men are acting and they are trully all femme has to stop. Masc gay men are not in disguise
@@adrianx2253 that's 100 percent correct they think it's a mask and we are still in the closet and no we are very open with it but we like to express ourselves in a very particular way that might be different from fem cult.
Sorry but I’m a feminine guy and I love masculine men. I personally have had no issues on Grindr attracting guys. Why are these guys whining and trying to change people while also claiming people should be free to express themselves? People have preferences… stop bitching and get over it!
Hey thanks for being logical and not brainwashed like the people in this video lol
Usually TH-cam comment sections are pretty vile. But if you look at this one you'll see a lot of people honestly expressing their experiences and their opinions in a well-thought-out matter. Then when you start to read these comments it becomes pretty apparent that this video missed the mark by a mile.
This video contains honesty with people expressing their experiences and their opinions in a well-thought-out matter! Then when you start to read these comments it becomes pretty apparent that those watching missed the mark by a mile....
@@klein33able THANK YOU.
@@klein33able Not really. The video is trying to say that saying "I'm not into fem guys" is not just bad, but on the same level as dropping slurs.
@@DarkenedX08 Nope. WRONG. It is simply showing queer people and letting them tell their stories of mistreatment because of the way they express themselves. It is their experiences. Not one person said it was a slur, but let me remind you that in this country you cannot discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation and gender expression. although this is a dating app- this space fosters this bad behavior that can (and often does) lead to discrimination.
What this video is trying to do, is show how people are different. This is an app that is designed for many different kinds of people. And highlights the importance of kindness.
It is ok for fem men to write in their " Only Masc or FemFof Masc" ? but is not Ok for masc to prefer masc?
Brandon Jean-François No. How dare masc men want other masc men!? Fucking bigots! Adhering to heteronormative standards! Internalized homophobia! ToXiC mAsCuLiNiTy. 😡😡😡 It's a double standard. Femmes can lust after masc guys but god forbid masc4masc ever show up on their dash.
@@aunpaidintern7035 i hope that's sarcasm
Date each other. Problem solved.
Exactly
But they won’t because not even they like each other and they just don’t want to say it lol
It's never ok to bully anyone for who they are. But having a preference is not a "card" that is played. Either ignore someone you're not interested in and hopefully they get the hint, or respectfully decline their advances. It's simple. The block feature works wonders too.
PS. I've lost count of the amount of times I've been berated by fems for saying "Sorry, you're not my type".
As someone who fall on "femme" spectrum, acknowledge that everyone has their own preferences. Going for a masc when you are a femme yourself is like bumping yourself against the wall. No one owes attraction to you whatever you identify yourself. I've been rejected and even blocked for being masc in this app (which i already deleted for good) and that's ok. Stop whining over something that you can't control nor can never have. Start focusing on yourself and if a person don't like/love you for you, they don't worth a shit of your time. That's what i learned while i was on the hellhole called Grindr.
Thank you! Actual Discrimination against either fem or masc is bad but having a preference isn’t that way! I say this as someone who likes either or.
While I am not THE most masculine guy in town (I'm fairly masc, though!), I must admit that I'm attracted to masculine men. I think that's pretty much one of the reasons that I'm gay ... with the other being that I love the D. Yeah, anyway. I can understand the message Grindr is trying to convey here -- which is (I think) only, that looking down or shaming anyone for the way they carry themselves and behave is downright wrong! Yes, it is. It's okay if one is not "into" femmes, but that doesn't mean he's gonna go ahead and just say mean things to the other not fitting his "type". STOP DOING THAT.
Now, that's one thing.
But yes, as some others here have pointed out, there IS a certain double standard here too. Just because you've had bad experiences with some guys as a result of your flamboyancy/effeminacy (which I can understand), that doesn't mean YOU get a pass to, literally, stand on a pedestal, and bash the whole of masculinity. You just don't.
There is harm in shaming others for who they are; but I don't think there's any harm in having preferences.
I am fem and THANK YOU FOR THIS ANSWERE! Most of the people here Are so in rage that they don’t get the reason of all this. You explained very Well the whole point :) (ok I am not with you That beeing gay would have necesarily something to do with loving male guys, but that just on a sidenote)
I'm gay and I like men and in my head guys are masculine... so that's what I like
Right that’s all I ever known
"Gender is perfomative!"
"I'm just being my authentic self!"
*sigh* pick one, please, just pick one.
Preferences are preferences. What we all need is respect. I'm masc and I like femmes, it doesn't mean I'm going to shame other people because they're not femmes
We should just all mind our own business and be respectful, that's it
Lets not forget that the overall message is to be nice to people and have a kinder community, I feel like that got a little lost in the video when one of the guys in the video said that it was hateful for having preferences.
I try to live by a "Live and let live" mentality as long as you're not hurting anybody then I couldn't give a fuck who you are, how you act or what you look like. You live your best life its not my business.
What is my business is the people that I might want to be intimate with or have a relationship with and its my right as a human being to have a preference and listen to what my Body/Brain is telling me.
I really don't like bright yellow colours, thats not something I chose I just dont like it so I'm not going to paint a room in my house yellow or get a yellow car. But the fact is that yellow things exist and that has nothing to do with me so I'm not going to tell you to go fuck yourself or call you stupid because your favourite colour is yellow nor do you get to tell me im wrong and being hateful because I dont like what you like.
bunch of complainers after being rejected.
Bastion Balthazar My example was supposed to sound just as ridiculous as the arguments you people are making against feminine men.
Congratulations for literally missing the entire point.
You proved how oblivious & dumb you are.
@@michalejizzed And how do you actually know that? He could be an exclusive top or never ever want to bottom.
Lmfao truu
That’s not the case, learn to listen and pay close attention before making statements like this.
While I get the point no one should be mean when turning others down (it’s actually ok just to ignore if your not interested despite popular belief). Its interesting that they are saying:
“If I had all these things I see in other people I admire having”
“Its hurtful when certain groups of people have their preferences”
“I feel like I cannot hit up any of those masc or masc dudes. Because immediately you would get shut down.”
Why dont you go for other femme guys then? Why dont you want to date and “admire” other femme guys? Oh thats right! Bacause you are not attracted to them! So masc gay guys are suppose to be attracted to you regardless but its ok when you have your preferences? Right.
Okay, first of all, this is not about attacking someone with a preference. This is about being attacked for who you are as a person. Second of all, you do have feminine types that are into other fems, or just don't care all together whether you're fem or masculine, so you can't use that card. Third of all, you do have masculine type gays, or bisexual guys, that are into feminine type guys, but generally they also get backlash for being into fem guys from being told "what's the point of you liking guys if you don't like masculine guys". So really, the attack on feminine men being feminine men boils down to masculine gay men who feel that a gay man should be masculine and into other masculine men, and anything outside of that is by default wrong and out of place. Now how the hell are you going to try to be "politically correct" as a gay man, in a society that slams you for being a dude who wants to screw other dudes? Assuming you don't like it when you're told "why don't you try dating a girl" or "why don't you try going straight", don't slam a feminine gay man for being who he is, because at the end of the day, you're just being a hypocrite at that point.
Jo LC I really don’t understand the point you are trying to make man I am sorry. I was pointing out the double standard that I saw in this video. Ive already said you shouldn’t put others down or be a nasty person for whatever reason but people are free to be attracted to who ever they want to be attracted to. The guys in this video obviously are - im just going by what they said man lol.
THIS COMMENT RIGHT HERE bout sums it up lol
@Jo LC , I agree 100% with @TheDroppingAcorns . That was exactly what was going through my head while watching the video. I think he was clear enough at the beginning saying that we get the point, shaming or insulting someone its something completely different and of course it's wrong. But you have the right to have a preference, and sometimes even if you are extremely careful when saying "sorry mate, you're not my type" you'd still get hate from them I guess coming from the frustration of that line one of these guys said “I feel like I cannot hit up any of those masc or masc dudes. Because immediately you would get shut down.” They feel annoyed by the fact they want to have an interaction with you but, since you're not into these type of men, then they get frustrated and start insulting you and implying you're a discriminatory asshole.
And this part:
"Why dont you go for other femme guys then? Why dont you want to date and “admire” other femme guys? Oh thats right! Bacause you are not attracted to them! So masc gay guys are suppose to be attracted to you regardless but its ok when you have your preferences? Right."
was pure gold, because its true. Lots of gay femme men are not into other femme guys so they should be the first ones to understand its just a matter of taste and preference. Again, NEVER shaming or insulting someone.
Michale Alexiades love you too xox
i personally dont like femme men not because of the demeaner but because of all the other unlikable qualities that usually comes with. Like being snarky all the time, huge interest in catty content like ru pauls and real housewives, extremely political left leaning SJW, overweight and you should just accept me as i am, making 'fashion' and make up a huge part of their life and constant attention seeking with their flamboyant cloth. Pretty much all the men in this video exhibit some of these stereotypes. At this point it's not even the physical part, these personality traits are all such huge turn offs.
Exactly! The politics thing gets me real bad man, I have learned to stay quiet when around femme guys because they’re so far left it’s insane. You speak up for children or women and all of a sudden are labeled evil.
The problem here is the same problem I see in the videos where gay Asian men complain about people not wanting to date them. When asked their preference, they almost ALWAYS say they want to take white men. So if you, as an Asian, aren’t interested in dating Asian men, why are you surprised that other people aren’t either?? Same thing with the Femmes. YOU aren’t attracted to femmes but you want everyone else to be attracted to femmes. Good grief.
Exactly!!! Thank you for laying it out perfectly -- the hypocrisy is hilarious really. They want to be accepted yet they don’t accept each other 🤣🤣🤣
Oh.... The Attitude
Exist maculine who like masculine.
Fems who like fems.
And fems who like mascs.
And mascs who like fems.
Is just preference.The End.💫
This is different.. most gay guys like masculine guys….. and that includes the fems.. most of the fems are attracted to manly guys…. This is a problem because most manly gay guys are also attracted to masculine guys 😂😂 😂
But there are a few masculine guys out there who do like fems.. so fems looking to hooking up is not too rare…. But trying to get in a relationship as a very feminine gay guy is definitely rare
It’s because were gay and they act like women so by nature all men who are gay want other MEN and so if a man is acting like NOT A MAN he has more of a chance attracting straight men into females because that’s what they are acting like
Sorry but this is ridiculous. It doesn’t matter what your sexuality is. If someone is not into you they are not into you get over it. This is almost like “I can’t deal with being rejected by what I wish I could have so I am trying to change peoples mindsets.” It’s a scientific fact that men are more attractive when they act masculine. Funny that 😂 And if a man is attracted to masculinity then he is attracted to masculinity. Move on. Of course if anybody deliberately sends hateful or derogatory comments towards somebody with intent to offend then that is of course not nice behaviour.
But I’ve never really been offended by playground style bullying in my adult years tbh. I rise above such low life. Perhaps you should all do the same.
But no, just as a straight man shouldn’t have to find a fat woman attractive because he likes skinny women doesn’t make him wrong for having a preference. Nobody is saying that you have to shame anybody. If you want to broaden your options and get the masculine man of your dreams perhaps put down the nail polish and man up! I’m so sick of these attempts at shaming people for having personal standards. If you can’t deal with being rejected fuck off. I’m so sick of this bullshit you absolute snowflakes.
T J It’s not about being rejected, you waste of human flesh.
It’s about not being accepted by your own community of people.
I guess I should say the same thing to you about being gay?
You’re going to hell and it’s a sin?
How is that any different from the VILE ABSURD BULLSHIT that you just spewed above me?
How about stop being offended that other people are offended by your prejudice behavior.
Fuck off and literally go lie in a casket. The world would be way better off without bigots like you.
^triggered feminine guy demonstrating everything he's railing against. That's why nobody is buying into this stuff, it's simply a middle finger to white, masculine men who enjoy the company of other white, masculine men.
As a masculine man i lovee masculine men, zero issues. None of the drama that's comes from guys imitating female argumentative characteristics just to play that fem part. Just hanging out, games, good sex and food
I am Satan - Hahaha. That made me laugh. Don’t be so nasty. Did you not learn anything from the victims in this video? Tssk. The only waste of flesh is the creatures in this video 😂 No one wants them. You don’t have to except anything. People don’t like it deal with it. Also being homosexual does not make you part of a community. I am just a man among men living in the world with everybody else. I’m not part of a special community for goodness sake and I certainly do not ascribe to a culture based on my sexuality. I’m not part of a special community of victims. I am a man living his life. Do heterosexuals have a community to? This is exactly the kind of mentality that creates segregation and inequality. You are not special!
And for goodness sake yes of course there are a lot of issues in the world with religion and culture. Nobody is condoning that and that is not what this video is about.
T J baby boy that’s only a part of it ... you illiterate fuck.. rewatch the video
Preference is just that. A preference. This carries over to sex, dating, and relationships in forms of preferences. I’m sorry that I don’t like men who are feminine, or by definition, act like girls. You don’t deserve special treatment because you paint your nails or talk a certain way. Do it if you want, and be who you are, and be proud of it, BUT never expect that people be interested in you no matter what.
There is a difference between preference and standard and what many people have is a standard.
Preference, standard, call it whatever you want. If I don't get hard from a guy that has painted nails, only likes taking it, and talks with a high pitched, "feminine" voice, I'm NOT going to date that guy--and I'm 100% not sorry about it.
Does "Not into fems "considred as insult ?
@@meaad3647 it does not hurt
0:00 lol the very first thing he/she said was "If I wanted to F a girl I'd F a girl". I totally expected that one because it's true. If I wanted to date a woman, I would.
Wow Grindr...the NPCs in this video sound exactly like all the others. ‘ Diversity,’ in Grindr’s mind, certainly doesn’t include opinions.
I love my toxic masculine men lol
Me too!!
These people looks ridiculous GOOD LUCK finding someone
But why not date fems then why u care about masculine 4 masculine obviously you must want a masculine man yourself but down talk another masculine for wanting a masculine guy that’s so backwards
Hypocritical is what it is
i feel a lot of the commentors here are missing the point. The point is that gay culture is very heteronormative; masculine traits are admired and feminine traits rejected; which is a pity as masculine and feminine elements co-exist in all men. The narrative that we've wound up with, casting feminine men as less desirable as more masculine men is problematic. I don't know how to undo it; but we need to acknowledge it as problematic. Of course nobody is suggesting you go and court someone you're not attracted to - that would be ridiculous. However, stating on a dating profile that you're not interested in feminine men: that's just mean.
The only reason fem guys are seen as “less desirable” is because they won’t date each other! Duh! Problem solved bud!
I’m a bit feminine and even I regret some guys sometimes…. One dude got mad once and insulted me then blocked me… this is why now a days I’m very hesitant to reject guys.. instead I find ways to extend the chat and avoid hooking up and look for excuses why I can’t keep… then after a few days I fee them offline and that’s my moment to block them
I'm attracted to masc guys but when guys try to act hyper-masculine that I find it off-putting. I also have a lot of respect for the Fem gays as they deal with so much crap thrown at them.
This world is backwards
There is surely a kind of stigma wrapped around the word “femme” in the gay community. I think the heart of it is not exactly the implication of this word, assumed or not, but it’s that most of the gay community desire the idea of masculinity, whether for themselves or for their partners. The gay men in this video are victims of the side-effects of this very desire, and it has to be stopped or tempered if we want to do justice and make peace upon ourselves.
most of these comments are from people who femme shame smh. if u don’t like someone block or ignore them. that’s what these guys are saying. there’s no need to shame them when they say hey.
Asian discrimination is real on Grindr.
Yeah Asians discriminating against other Asians and only dating whites ;)
Gay asians are known to be very racist towards black dudes. So what about that?
you see plenty of guys looking for gam's only
It is ridiculous how many of you chose to ignore what they were actqally saying over and over. Don't behave shitty. Because there is a difference between - "I am not interested in you" and - eeew, I don't approve of you and think you are gross, I don't want to date you."
I can tell smbody I am not into them without insulting them.
but what are you doing about it, Grindr???? Are you taking action to mitigate this kind of behavior? Maybe remove the race filter? Or tribes filter? WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO MAKE IT A LESS DISCRIMINATIVE COMMUNITY????????
Removing a "filter" is going to change people's preferences?
Funny is that i get a message from a fellow filipino asking why a transgender doing a grindr. Kinda sad to a narrow minded to think that joining in a gay dating site is exclusive for masculine gays. Still i reply nicely haven't he read that in this site theres gay bi and trans lol.
Isn't Grindr a gay dating app? If you are a transgender woman, your not gay. You are a female.
so fem for fem is ok , but your mass shaming ,
I’m a dark skin masculine man and I can tell you regardless of who you are and how you are if your a good person and loving, it doesn’t matter if your fem because my love for you will always stay the same
What dose you being dark skin have to do with anything?
Samuel115s honestly just wrote that at the time.
@@newyear8491 fair enough.
Of course it's a preference. Disrespecting is wrong, but you can politely say "Im not.into feminine guys"
There’s a difference between having a preference and making a statement about it. You don’t need to announce “no asians”. You just find the ones you want to connect with. It’s unnecessary to make a song and dance about it. It’s the same for femme. You don’t need to announce “no femmes”.
It’s all subjective anyway. The guy who claims to be masculine might look very masc in his pics but when he shows up you find his voice, mannerisms or any number of things effeminate even though he doesn’t see himself that way. Like who’s standards are you measuring against? It’s a very narrow heterosexual model of masculinity. One must have muscles, a beard, be emotionally stunted, talk in a certain way, don’t move your hands around too much, walk a certain way, enjoy spectator sports and drinking beer, sound and look like a heterosexual man. They are basically saying that unless a man passes as heterosexual and nobody can tell they are gay then they are not attractive let alone fuckable. It’s internalised homophobia 101.
It’s really really fucking sad that it’s comes to this. Being gay used to be about being free to be whoever the hell you want to be because you’ve been oppressed your entire life by heterosexuals. Not anymore. Now you gotta conform and be Uber macho. Be more masculine than straight men if you wanna get laid. Gay men used to give the middle finger to the heterosexual men oppressing them by embracing the feminine qualities they were bullied and rejected for. By playing them up. I guess it’s what drag is all about. The fact that gay men have now internalised that fear of the feminine and now conform to heterosexual men’s standards of masculinity instead is very sad and messed up.
The saddest part is that the femme shamers mostly hide behind faceless profiles and many claim to be straight even though they are searching for dicks to suck! There is nothing masculine about being anonymous online, announcing how straight and masc you are and shaming anyone who doesn’t do what you do. They’re pathetic cowards.
You're assuming that the default way to be gay is to be feminine...Just because a guy is masculine doesn't mean he's "conforming to heterosexual standards." Maybe that's just the way he is? A lot of gay men like sports and a lot of things that straight men like. Not everyone is like you.
I find it funny that you’re saying that masculine gay men should not conform to the default male image, but you want the gay male image to be the default for gay men.
@@RA984U right it’s like omg u gotta be a girl I don’t wannnna be I like masculine things I love blueeeeeeeeeeee lmaoooooooo
These are getting funnier and funnier with each episode. Lmfao what a f-ing joke.
Get over yourselves. You aren’t entitled to be liked by whoever you like, it’s called Life. Deal with it and stop crying. Jesus.
Nobody said that you need to like them. All they are saying, be nice and no need to be mean.
Aaron Alarcon it’s a hook up app, no one has time for this shit. What are you looking for? Someone to spend five minutes apologizing for not being your type? Get over it!
@HerocomeCheerios that's exactly what I was thinking 😅
@@TheAleph74 sure, there is no need to be mean but the fat guy in the glitter jacked is just asking for it. What the hell is he suposed to be 😂
The black dude looks cool, he looks kinda gothic and the none binary one is just dressed like a normal woman which is fine.
They keep claiming that it's about shaming those fems in the wake of telling them that yøu are not interested but lets be real. Masc for masc is a thing and fem for fem is NOT. Because fems want masc guys and masc guy want guys because what's the point in being gay just to date guys that act like girls.
I will say this until the day I die, you cannot base preference off of the way someone acts. If so why don't you see men turning down women because they're into basketball or is a little more masculine than most women???
Probably the worst part is my subscription pays for these videos, I'm a party to this dog and pony show!
its a trans/drag issue when men prefer to act like women, not a gay issue. Probly a mild gender dysphoria. Its the same as saying a gay man isnt attracted to a trans woman.
also the asian and black guys arent really fem, just interesting clothing, and the non binary person seems cool but again its a trans issue
@ليو ساو how was anything i said homphobic or gynophobic?
I wonder if they are gonna do a video about all the people that have femm only ts only on there profile? 🤔🤔🤔🤔. Don't get me wrong no one should be bullied or who they are a preference number 1 is not an absolute and 2 narrows the dating pool and if grindr was so against preferences why have the tribes section ? Granted I don't think the lgbt+ community should bow down to and adopt heteronorative ideals and stereotypes we have a very long rich and diverse culture that should ve preserved and celebrated but If I'm in to fem twinks I won't be entertaining masculine muscle guys and vice versa I really wanna see what on all these guys profiles tho they have tribes/preferences
Jup, I really needed that :)
Over hetero slang is a turn up
Over femminim is a turn up
A slight touch is attractive
And this is difficulte
Masc but still has a feminin touch
And i am a bear who likes other bears and is really kinky
Soooooo
Oh my Cher I love your shiny college coat sweetie.
I see you guys have been putting out content on this channel for 2 years or so and not one video on the dangers of crystal meth and what it leads to, but I sure see ALOT of Meth dealers on Grindr! I have friends that buy meth on Grindr...this is their only plug!
This breaks my heart to watch. Though everyone has the right to like what they like, (since some of the most angry comments on here state exactly that), that doesn't invalidate these men's feelings and experiences when it comes to the gay dating world. They're allowed to express their hurt just as much as the next person. If you don't like it, move on.
I am fem myself.
(Nothing against you, What comes now is a general statement)
May we all please stop hating on each other? Like this war is so useless! I am fem, you are masc, we are who are. I just don’t get why the WHOLE Gay community is so toxic! And I mean BOTH sides! THIS whole commentsection here is the reason why I distance myself from the community! Like can we please stop this! I don’t care who began this useless argument, but the problem is the stigmatisation in society of gay people. What Happens here is that both masculine and feminine people get to find someone responsible for our pain!
But surprise, we are NOT the reason!
People (Especially heteros) have to accept that you can’t put gay people in boxes! We are diverse! There is NO standard gay man! The ONLY thing that connects us is that we all love men and that society treats us like shit!
NOTHING ELSE!
What we have to learn is to interact and to UNDERSTAND each other instead of hating each other!
I know that all of us have suffered in life at some point because of the stigmatisation! But please stop hating each other and begin to at least try to understand the other side! And I mean BOTH masc and fems (btw. how old is it to define behavious as masc or fem, what Does that even mean?)
I agree but let me tell you that the femmes have truly taken this to a whole another level and it’s because of them PUSHING themselves on to others who DO NOT WANT THEM that we are here. Forced acceptance has CREATED the hate and now it’s a full blown war. I am a masculine gay guy and I honestly would not give a femme guy my attention at all. Not because of their mannerism but because of their mindset, their need to push themselves and be accepted OR ELSE lol it’s very messed up
Hey there,, I'm from California 40 yrs old single gay,, you????,.
I think that anyone who isn't into you should automatically turn you off. Whether it's a racist or preference thing. I also think that people of color should recondition themselves from believing that they need to get a boyfriend that looks like Justin Bieber or Zac Efron and that that is the only thing deemed attractive in gay culture. Individually, we should also move away from our own 'preferences' of femme to butch or vise versa. That's what I did and stuff like this no longer bother me.
Well that’s you I like masculine dudes I’m stay over on that side with them because that’s what turns me on
I’m
Not
Into
Bottoms
So you are self bottom
lmao amazing how many comments completely miss the point of the video
Sheeesh all the fem dude haters rushed to the comments 😭😂
Not haters, just people speaking facts because the delusion in this video is unhinged lmao
@@xandercrew6088 look guys here’s one now 🎤😀
Y'all are missing the point. And the point is that you can treat other people like humans even if you don't want to fuck them. I have hit up so many guys who were looking for platonic friends in their bio, but we couldn't even be friends because I wear makeup. You can be pleasant and build community with people outside your narrow and often racist and sexist preference boxes, it's good for you and helps you grow
Wes Kuehn yes, you’re right. The main problem is that they are suggesting masculine guys are hiding they’re true nature or putting up a front just because they’re masculine. That is just my personality.
I support all of my community. As a member of a marginalized community within a marginalized community ... I completely get this point. I honestly am attractive to very masculine characteristics but would never say to myself that effeminate characteristics are unattractive. I hope that this message truly resonates with all.
David Colon-Suarez - you twat. Sexuality doesn’t make you part of a community. Well done segregationist. “Equality”. Just be a fucking man. Jesus Christ.
I'd say it for you: feminine characteristics are unattractive. There, I've said it and 99% of gays agree with me. Now go back to your virtue signaling.
Grindr posting videos like this is a bit like a butcher putting up adverts for Tofu in his window. It seems odd that Grindr still allows people to filter guys by race, age, weight, height etc etc - what bigots they must be! It is entirely right for people to be themselves, in the way they speak, how they dress, and how the express themselves freely without abuse. Gay people aren't a different species. Some are decent caring people, others are pieces of work. I am not going to be lectured about who I'm attracted to - that is entirely down to me. If someone chooses to narrow their search choices then they are potentially missing out on the man* of their dreams so in fact they are the ones who are going to lose out. I suspect the next episode will be entitled: "Gay men who don't sleep with women are sexist"
* other genders are available
I'm masculine a love fem gays 😍
1). The point of this video was to shed light on the negative experiences femme people face when trying to find sexual intimacy on dating apps. There’s a difference between having a preference and making someone feel isolated and excluded from their own community. As if they don’t meet the standard qualifications to deserve a positive sexual experience.
2). You can say what you want but “having a preference” doesn’t give someone the right to degrade and ridicule someone else for being who they are.
3). It’s quite disappointing to see the lack of compassion in these comments coming from other gay men. Especially when your counter arguments are “bunch of complainers after being rejected”. Until you identify as a femme person and face repetitive scrutiny, you have no right to tell someone how they should feel after their experience. Allow them to tell their story without passing judgment, the same way you expect them to accept your preferences.
4). As a femme person I understand what each individual is saying in the video because I’ve experienced it first hand. So let me put this into perspective for anyone who thinks this is propaganda for bashing masculine gay men for not liking femme people. It’s simple, have some compassion for other people’s feelings. We’re all grown adults, we can accept when someone is simply not interested but we can not accept the vile ignorance and disrespect.
No ❤️
But they allow people to put hate on their profile text 🙄🙄🙄
"No fems" or "not I to fems" is not really hate now is it.
@@Samuel115s I hope that's sarcasm...
@@nicholasmajor2256 probably isn’t cause that isn’t hate. Do you hate women when you put “gay?” Because that word literally means no women
@@wacawaka1802 Please don't talk to me if you're IQ is not higher than a rock =\
@@nicholasmajor2256 “ur stupid” great defense homophobe
Grindr should quit jamming political correct culture down peoples throats
If you're feeling hurt or attacked by this video, find a mirror Shelby. Take a look into it.
comments are depressing.
The last comment is so true!!!!