SPIN ME RIGHT ROUND, BABY! Legacy Wheel of Misfortune Burn. Classic red deck wins with a twist! MTG
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- I play a Magic the Gathering Online Legacy league with Wheel of Misfortune Burn, a spicy little twist on the classic Magic archetype from Patreon subscriber George! This is a regular old red deck wins strategy with the flex slots dedicated to a wild option. It's not gambling if you know you're going to win! You spin me right round baby, and do does this deck! MTG
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0:00 Intro
0:52 Deck Tech
4:00 Round 1
12:40 Round 2
19:11 Round 3
25:20 Round 4
47:56 Round 5
59:43 Final Thoughts
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43:28 you could've fireblasted both of your own eidolons for free with Tendrils on the stack and then bolted them out.
I was literally stressing at my phone that he didn't do that
this
Came here to say this! So close!
I screamed when he didn't and had 12 worth of bolts
No offense of course, I was just so hyped to see that line happen and it didn't :(
Thank you
Calculated with Hypergeometric Distribution, the chance that you find no more than two Fireblasts in 57 cards is 0.994%; so about a 1/100 chance that two of them are in the bottom 3.
Are you sure that math is right? That seems weirdly high. Youre probably right but 1 percent just feels too likely
@@bencouch1178 Math checks out.
At 43:30 you could've fireblasted both your own eidolons and aimed 4 bolts at your opponent's face right?
yup
With pyroblast backup too
I thought the same thing
Yo, that’s an insane line, I didn’t spot it at all
47:38, he knows
That fire last your own eidolons line is INSANE. I love the corner cases that can pop up in old magic formats
truly incredible match against ANT. thanks for showing just how complex playing burn can get!
In the storm game, with tendrils on the stack, you could've fire lasted both of your own eidolons and then sent 4 lightning bolts up stairs. At least for an attempt at winning.
That was the weirdest burn match I think I've ever seen.
If you had kept a wheel of misfortune in round 4, you could have cast it when they had
There is no reason for them not to choose 0 though.
23:37 I'm pretty sure you're a near-lock to win if you eidolon and then go face (only losing to shadowspear in hand, and even then they'd need either another mox opal or sigarda's aid to make the mana work).
Your turn 2: Attack with GG, play eidolon, pass (lifetotals 16 / 20)
Their best turn 2 that doesn't have shadowspear: sigarda's aid, hammer, attack you with a 12/12 (lifetotals 12 / 9)
Your turn 3: Attack with GG & eidolon, point 9 points of burn at your face (life totals: -1 / 3)
Okay, let's say they don't attack on turn 2 and put themselves to dead. What can they do? You burn them to 3, putting yourself to 14, and their only way out is a shadowspear (steelshaper's into shadowspear doesn't do it since it's two small spells). They have no removal, so they can't get out from under the eidolon. They're locked. On the following turn, you point another burn spell at their face and win the game.
People are talking about shooting your own eidolons in response to the tendrils, but that doesn't play around force (I'm not sure if there were 4 in the graveyard at that point).
In my opinion, the better play was (since you had so much mana), do that play on your own turn once you had the burn for it.
That way you can cast the sorcery burn spells as well, like spike. Obviously that means keeping those cards in hand rather than the pyros, but I think its the better line. There is almost zero threat of getting stormed out on your own turn, and if you have the kill through a force, its probably time to go for it.
I was thinking the same thing, but I went and checked a couple TES decklists and didn't see any copies in the first few lists that I pulled. I don't think they usually run it.
I'm sure it's there somewhere on twitter or something (which instantly showed up on the vid after I posted), but in that absurd game, you (probably) win with Tendrils on the stack...by Fireblasting both of you eidolons first, then Quad Laser lightning bolts them to death. Which would have been the most awesome way for the game to end.
There are realistically other ways to skin the cat once we have all 4 bolts, though. We can send the squad once we draw the 2nd Fireblast, because we have the line of "remove our own eidolons, you are dead". If they block, the race becomes a loss for them, but if they don't, they lose to us blasting our own eidolons and killing them.
Yeah that’s in the video at the end of the match. I missed the line of zapping my own eidolons
In the stall. If you went to 7 burn spells in hand. Once you drew second fireblast you had lethal or an 8th burn spell. Fireblast eidolon. Bolt eidolon go to 3. 4 3 damage spells plus fireblast for 16 or 6 3 damage spells for 18.
at 36:14 or other places possibly before he attacked you could have cast chain lightning on your eidolon copied it targeting the other eidolon copy it again targeting him then burnt him out for exacties with pyroblast backup.
On further review quickest win was when you hit your 8th land drop at 35:09 on turn 20
The rest of us over here shouting about 43:00 while andrew has the win at 36:00 lol
Yeah this is a line. I’m surprised he never attacked with swiftspear when it was 5 goblins vs 2 eidolons + 1 swift spear. We can assume any removal on swift spear is a win for opp (since he sends 5 tokens in, Bosh blocks 2, goes to 2 and is locked behind eidolon and loses to any tendrils/warren/removal), and any storm count 2 tendrils is a win. Once we have a fireblast in hand, swift spear has good attacks. Attack in, if 2 blocks we fireblast a goblin that’s not blocking, if 3 blocks we hit a blocker, if 4 blocks we bolt one blocker and blast the other. If no blocks we take the free point of damage. Opp has bad attacks, best he can do is put us to 2 (we are losing to tendrils + 1 card anyways if we stay locked up, so losing to tendrils anyways seems fine). Swiftspear damage breaks parity much before the final few cards in the deck.
@@dkv_ the 4 block one seems most sketchy. Do you really want to go to 1
@@Kettwiesel25 I think it’s one of the better outcomes. It leaves opp with no creatures in play (fireblast one of the 4 blockers, bolt the non blocker. This leaves 3 blocking a 3/4 swiftspear which all get eaten), and it opens up attacking for 5 damage a turn, speeding it up to a 4 turn clock. We are always losing to any storm 2 tendrils for 20 turns In a row, so losing to a storm 1 tendril for 4 turns seems fine
New intro! Also I just love all these crazy deck idea. I can't stop clicking at your videos, they always peek my interest
Thanks! There’s so many to catch up on :)
Happy to see this. I just learned this card was seeing play the other day.
Interesting Monored Standstill game.
the fireblasting your own 2 eidolons is a FIRE line
Multiple Eidolons games are the best Magic. Got a game vs my son in a mono-red mirror where we had 2 each.
I love this idea. I recently took out a burn list just like this only instead of wheel I added Laelia, the Blade Reforged.
That would be an interesting build. Laelia gives you incremental damage and card advantage over time, but if the opponent has removal or can block you loose out on the advantage.
I feel like light up the stage is going to be better than wheel for the same job. Stage gives you two cards for one mana vs wheel gives you 7 cards for 3 mana. Stage is only slightly less mana efficient, but it is much easier to cast and you get more swiftspear prowess triggers.
In any case I think that laelia, stage, and wheel are playing on the wrong axis for burn.
Excited to watch the video and see how this turned out for you! I'm bringing the deck to SCG Syracuse this weekend :)
Shame that Wheel didn't crop up at any opportune moments, but you were correct that I appreciate siding out the Wheels when you're supposed to. It just might be my most common cut when boarding.
XD when half of the deck tech segment is explaining one card
Eidolons of the Great Stasis
That match against storm was silly.
Burn was my first Legacy deck after I got back into Magic in 2012. I agree with trimming one Fireblast at 23:05.
That Storm game 💕💕🤣🤣
36:08 Couldn't you chain lightning one of your Eidolons, then copied it twice, killed the other eidolon with one copy, then gone face with the other
5 mana: 3 damage to face
Three lightning bolts: 9 more damage to face (total of 12)
Fireblast for lethal (12+4 = 16)
You cant copy your own chain lightning im pretty sure only your opponent can copy. He coulda fireblasted his own eidolons and bolt his opponent to desth though
@@bencouch1178 "Chain Lightning deals 3 damage to any target. Then that player or that permanent’s controller..." Chain Lightning could have been copied by Bosh. This type of thing is how Chain of Smog is a combo kill.
@@GatekeeperDatuck you are absolutely correct, i knew chain of smog did it i didn't realize lightning did too.
I think that Storm match game 2 was the most absurd game of Magic I've ever seen.
Ive been playing burn in ever format since 1999. And its always such a point of pride when ive crushed greedy money piles for a deck which frequently less money than a sock full of nickles.
You're showing your age when you refer to the archetype as "Sligh"
Yup
The real ones know 😎 Sligh > RDW/Burn
Need moar Ironclaw Orcs tho!
Comment of the day! Bosh and burn! I could feel the friction and tension all the way over here. 🤣
at 43:00 you can just start blastin your eidos to quad bolt either your opponent or yourself
33:39 when it's taking long there is the option of playing your 4th creature and then blast if they try to attack with the 5 goblins, block and kill all of them (unless they FoW the blast in which case you lose)
Put a copy of wheel into my edh deck last week. It's nice seeing the card's power across this league!
that storm match was amazing
Back at 7 mana/T19 or around three on the mill game, I think chain copy chain kill both eidolons for 3 mana, into chain them + triple bolt + fireblast is the earliest kill?
I'm not a burn expert but I consider myself a burn aficionado. The fetch vs straight basics decision boils down to if you want to support Grim Lavamancer and/or Searing Blaze. If you don't want those cards the miniscule deck thinning isn't worth minor life loss. Lavamancer isn't too hot right now but maybe Dragon's Rage Channeler is prevalent enough to justify searing blaze.
One of those games was one of the best games I've ever seen. You can guess which one
Hm, i'm interested in how WoM compares to Browbeat. Most likely better, yeah. It's an interesting tech, it's sad that it didn't come out.
i waited like 15 minutes for 2 fireblasts on your own eidolons and then just bolt them to death, and you even had it but then didnt do it - NYOOOOO
I think the description has a typo, the last sentence in the first paragraph should probably have 'so' instead of 'do'
43:11 Fireblast both your Eidolons and bolt them 4 times.
Such a budget deck too!
idk why but i really like this deck only takes up 2 line in the mtgo UI lmao
Now this is a hot one
I love how… **you go to turn 30+** with a burn deck. Are you sure you didn’t accidentally que into commander via a bug or something?
That so weird to see deck with less than 3 lines of cards lol
Having nearly all basic mountains seems suboptimal. Adding fetches + barbarian ring could help you find those last few points of damage, maybe.
Its hard to win with just burn spells in the metagame of magic 2022, standard, commander, legacy or modern... In every format you need to develop your deck with some other sinergy, in legacy maybe magis of the moon, fury or stax pieces like the vortex enchantment
Awesome
That must have been the longest game a burn player has played ever lmao
In the 8 cast last game, you should have blocked and kill your own creature to prevent lifelink
Shadowspear gives trample
hey did you realize that if you fireblasted your own-
*keeps watching video, reads TH-cam comments*
-oh
Burn games going for the mill strats. 👨🎓
seems like a great deck for simian spirit guide and maybe even the green one also
i've built a list that does stuff with lotus petal. prowess trigger on swiftspear, surveil on darcy, card type in the yard for darcy and cemetery gatekeeper. it seems pretty good.
@@arachnophilia427 interesting 🤔 I can Def see how Petal can serve a duel modalities in that roll, I guess what we are thinking is ways to optimize the wheel both pre cast and post cast once you have them in place also optimizing your blasts or even holding priority with wheel on the stack and having the fast mana getting you to reload on them
Obligatory algorithmic contribution
At what point does burn just start main decking 4 Pyroblast in the Murktide meta?
I will cut down on a number of Fireblast against blue decks. I usually cut a couple for Red Blast. Just having the Fireblast countered in some situations is just so bad.
i usually cut other stuff for REB/pyro. i'll rarely go below three fireblasts post board, and that's in a deck that only runs 8 mountains.
45:16 classic can’t Thoughtseize the top of my library
Your Leylines aren't just for Dredge or Reanimator. Leyline will kneecap the SHIT out of Delver. You have Bridge, yes, but stripping their graveyard means they will NEVER get to play a Murktide. The deck has 9 mana lands, and crippling the reduction hits hard. REB is also for Delver, yes. Especially since you can't handle Murktide otherwise. Uro being around is what killed Burn in Modern, and even here, Uro is such a nightmare that Burn isn't even good enough in Legacy.
i'm not too worried about uro anymore. it can still spike games, but i'm running 4 mainboard sulfuric vortices, and leyline in the side really nerfs it.
it just sucks that so much of playing burn now is about managing big dumb threats and fast broken combos, and less about three to the dome.
@@arachnophilia427 tbh, the fact that Magic has power crept so much in the last 3 years to where it is is no fun. It's made me want to give up playing because it's a problem. T3feri, Modern Horizons 1 and 2, Uro, Field of the Dead, everything in the past 3 years has been so toxic to the game that it has killed the fun in it for me.
Turn 50 storm vs burn! Wild
i got beat by storm once in a tournament, THROUGH double eidolon. i wasn't even mad.
New intro music y’all
I'm pausing the video at 43:19 I'm on my hands an knees, begging, for Bosh to see the line that is, with 2 tendrils on the stack, him at 3 life, fire blast both Eidolon, keeping his life at 3, then using the 4 bolts in his hand to kill the opponent (at 12 life) before the lethal tendrils can resolve; he even has pyroblast in hand as backup
*sniffle* I'm heartbroken
It would be too strong for wotc create a gorila shamman that can eat artifact creatures also? I realy dont think its that broken if its not common. Red decks should have the absolute advantage against artifact i think.
what a weird game
price of progress is and has always been one of the strongest cards (due to the fact people don't expect it enough). easily 10 points for 1R instant is OMG
game 1 is not a proof I'm wrong!!! :( :)
i find pop is usually good for about 4. imho, fireblast is the strongest card.
I'm pretty sure that nobody knows what Wheel of Misfortune does! Lol
Think I'd rather go back some years to two Grim Lavamancers + Fetches rather than Wheel.
i like lavaman, but he's just way to slow now.
Sad day when burn isn't really functional in legacy anymore
That storm slugfest was rough, you had like 20 turns to just kill the opponent who was at 16. With 8 cards in hand, you Fireblast one eidolon, Chain lightning the other one, send copy at them and then throw extra 6×3=18 damage at their face. Beats a couple Flusterstorms fine.
So Math for 43:33 is basically the same as if one is in the top 3 so 13.5% or so. Honestly higher than I expected
That doesn't seem right to me. According to hypergeometrical calculation the percentage of going through 57 out of 60 cards and only hitting 2 cards out of a 4off is about 0.98 %
@@rustydfrom9404 being the bottom 3 is no different than being in the top 3 so it should be an easy binomial for 3/60 with one success. I thought it was a 3 of? That would change my math but still. Also just to check I did hypergeometric and got 13.9% with a 3 of
@@DappenAvellon Fireblast was a 4 off, and yes, hitting 2 out of 4 in the top 3 is the same as hiding 2 at the bottom 3. But even if you do the reverse and calculate the chance to hit 2 out of 4 Fireblast in the top 3 out of a sample size of 60, it is still 0.98 %.
I think the problem is that you used a binomial. Binomials are usually used for a process where you replace the sample drawn from a population and the following draws are independent from the first draw. (Eg. you would draw one card, shuffle it back, then draw another one).
In the case of hitting 2 out of 4 Fireblasts after drawing 57 cards (or the reverse, hitting 2 in the top 3), the cards are not replaced and all the subsequent draws are dependent on the previous ones, so it has to be calculated using hypergeometrical distribution, not binomial one.
@@rustydfrom9404 Thank you for the correction. It being a 4 of is what kills it
Hmmm
Alright lads they reprinted Goblin Game
GO GET THOSE HIDEABLE OBJECTS
Dud3, how do you just play delver *all* the fucking time?
It’s the best deck 🤷🏻♂️
I was talking with my friend how the farther you go back the more broken counterspells are in a format. Standard...who cares...pioneer...OK some counterspells are decent but not format warping
Modern...eh counterspells are nice but not necessary
Commander, legacy, vintage. Format is basically defined by "free" counterspells literally deciding games. Constantly hoping they just don't have the answer in hand with no real indication needed. Just poof and you lose.
I'm not sure why people keep trying roiling over sulfuric. There's so many instances here where you at least stand a chance if you cast sulfuric over roiling, whereas, roiling added nothing of value in each match
It's a meta call, the more free spells/0 CMC spells there are in your meta, the better Roiling becomes. In an unknown meta, I tend to run a 2/1 split (Sulfuric/Roiling) with 2 more Roiling Vortex in the side.
ayyy first
You should have a rule to not side out the card that's the whole point of the video
Just because you are a bad*ss and won (I mean that genuinely) doesn't mean you can change the intro music 😭 I miss that. It triggered my brain into happy mode. Bring it back!!! Let's get a vote! ❤️