I have watched this a few times now - when I was getting all the kit together, and I'm now faced with an actual live event that needs to be recorded as well so I'm really glad you did this video so I could refresh my knowledge in readiness for the gig next week. Cheers Joseph!
HI again, I don't suppose you could point me in the right direction as to which settings to use on the Atomos Connect Convert Cros Scale Split (yellow box) you used to bring in the picture from the laptop, Little out of my depth here. Thanks in advance!
That depends on the conversion. Just look on the back of the box; there’s a chart of what you want to convert to. Flip the switches to match! It’s a little archaic but its super reliable.
@@photojoseph Thanks for that and yes, I'm nearly there. I have the switches 6 and 8 down (1080p25 same as the cameras' settings) and I have a nice clean image on the Shogun7 but it's flashing a quick blue screen at me about every five seconds which actually ends up in the recording. I must be doing something wrong I've played with switches 1-4 and they don't seem to make any difference. Not to worry I'll keep at it. Thanks
Great video thank you. Are there any over air transmitters that can take an HDMI signal from a camera yards away and convert it into an SDMI, sending it to a receiver at the atomos. In the case of someone switching at a remote station and someone having to get video yards and yards away, that would be helpful.
@@photojoseph My pocketbook isn't happy, but I'm so geeked about all the new tech that allows us to virtually connect. It's so important, now more than ever, so we can keep in touch while apart.
This is a very useful video!! thank you for the info on the shogun and the setup. Question, could you do hdmi out of shogun 7 to a laptop with an hdmi port for live streaming with OBS or other programs?
Hi Joseph- I’m seeing the ISOs and xml recorded on my Shogun 7, but not the program file. What do I change to enable the recoding of the program cut as a video file too? Many thanks John
Question! This is our first time attempting to produce a live stream. We’ve been looking at different options such as sling studio, ATEM mini pro, PEARL mini, but now I see this option that you now presented. After looking at all the pros and cons of all the options I mentioned… We feel that sling studio is possibly the easiest to begin with. Do you recommend this option? What do you think? ...is there a better option with simplicity and steal good quality?
I know you were in the live show today LAT Studio so let me know if you have any follow up questions here. Unfortunately I don't have experience with the Sling but I definitely can say the ATEM and Pearl are both great products.
Just for clarification. Does the program feed .mov have all your cuts recorded into that file? If you had transitions on would there be black space on the program feed or would they come through? I'm thinking if you wanted to edit in premiere pro you would use the program feed and make adjustments from the multi cam but I'm not sure how the transitions would come through. great video!
Hm, it’s been a while since I did this, but I’m quite sure this was all addressed in the video. However from what I recall the recorded program has just cuts where you had added transitions.
Hi, great video as always. Could I just clear up one point on audio. You get only ONE choice of audio input? It's not a case of one digital input AND the analogue, but one choice of digital OR the analogue. Thanks.
for the live output, yes. If you are recording then you can record as many as you like, but for live, it’s just one. It’s definitely one of the limitations.
Perhaps you thaught it was to mutch to put in to the content but I think it would had been good to show how you manage the sync in between HDMI/SDI/ to the streaming output. Otherwice , perfect !
Hello Joseph; first of all, thank you very much for your work! I would like to know if it is possible to use the HDMI IN in multicam recording with other sdi input (3 sdi in and 1 HDMI in) Sorry for my english and thank you again for the excellent work that you do!
Thank you very much, I was looking for a solution to one of my clients needs which was streaming using 3 cameras and having a high quality recording for later editing. As I use FCPX this system you have described is perfect for my needs. Great stuff.
I was able to set proper resolution on Decimator MD-HX to MBP for 3 Sony 6400+ MBP at 1080P@ 59.94 into Shogun 7 on a 4 channel switch . Can provide settings on Decimator scaler screen shots available if anyone else has this issue .
What is the impact of cabling (SDI vs HDMI vs NDI) of the video mixer performance. Image same set-up with NDI , how much I have to invest on mixer vs. converters/adapters.
I don’t understand the question. What do you mean by “impact”? And the investment; I shared costs of various converters here. If you need the cost of cabling, you’ll need to look that up for whatever lengths you need.
@@photojoseph Sorry wasnt clear, thanks for replying so fast. My question is related to how to decide which cabling to use (10+meters) because this impact to video res./quality as well as how much I have to invest on converters. What would your recommendation for a similar set-up using NDI (1080p)? (thinking of the set-up you had with touch)
SDI you can run VERY long (you can look up exact specs but it's a broadcast standard for a reason). HDMI much less. NDI is wireless and therefore lower quality. Don't have an NDI recommendation as I haven't played with any yet.
Hi...thanks so much, I learn a lot from you...short question if I want connect 2 iPhone to the shogun 7 then I need either a Decimator Design MD-HX or the yelow box from atomos? I use this original apple HDMI connectors on the iPhones
@@photojoseph Hi and thank you so much for your quick replay....in case the Decimators are really expensive in Europe, around 350-400 Euros each...so thinking about to buy a camera (I also got 3 BM converter) ... will it work with a Canon EOS M3 ... bought alo the webcaster :)
Great information. I have been using the Shogun-7 with 3 or 4 Sony 6400 cameras at 1080 24 Fps. 23.976 to be more exact.I am using Decimator LXs for the HDMI /SDI conversion into the Shogun7. I have a project where i need to bring in the HDMI output of my MBP laptop. I am trying to use the Decimator HX and scale everything to to match the framerate of the cameras + converters. The Shogun sees the Laptop as 50H 60 fps, no matter what the output is set on the HX converter. Is there a better HDMI converter to use to match the cameras so I can switch that? Any advice?
I don’t see how that’s possible. Decimators are superb scalers and if you have it set properly, I don’t see how the Shogun could be seeing a different framerate. My money is on the Decimator not being configured properly.
I have the Odyssey Q7+ and you have to pay another £1750 for the Apollo software licence to be able to switch between cameras and record the streams. That's why I'm considering the Shogun 7 because you get the switching AND the unit for way less than just the Convergent Design software. I'm not really very happy with the situation, but it is what it is and I have to shell out anyway.
Can you exchange the FCPXML reference ISO recordings for another recording? Scenario: Recording ProRes Raw locally near camera on Ninja V. Sending 2x Ninja V over wireless transmitter to wireless receiver connected to Shogun 7. Shogun 7 FCPXML saves transitions. After importing FCPXML, the Ninja V ProRes Raw individual recordings are swapped with the Shogun 7 ISO recordings but retain the same transition information of the Multicam clip. *Maybe a the file names have to be changed by either the ProRes Raw clips or in the FCPXML file. *For synchronization, shogun has AtomX SYNC module sends timecode to timecode device connected to Shogun 7 port.
Thanks for an excellent (even if a very speedy) review, it would have saved a lot of grief if Atomos had released an HDMI version! Can I assume from your review that there is not one planned in the pipeline?
@@photojoseph Thanks for the reply, I have an atom mini, but have not used it to broadcast yet, other than playing around with it in my den, fabulous piece of kit!
I talked about this in the video and linked to an article on how to convert it; visit photojoseph.com/yt/ep506 and scroll down the to FCP to Premiere part. Thanks.
i’ve never measured it but that sounds reasonable. I’d check with them for technical specs on it. I’ve only used mine for converting things like a computer display, so any delay that slight was not noticeable.
Thx you so much. I have one Question i have a Sumo 19 to switch. Does this set up also work on sumo 19? Than you
Actually yeah, I'm almost positive it does!
@@photojoseph Hi Josepf,
thx for the answer have you ever heard about web present from Blackmagic and if yes is this all right?
Thx again Danie
@@letitcook web presenter is old tech. ATEM Mini Pro is new tech. I have many videos on this. Start there.
I have watched this a few times now - when I was getting all the kit together, and I'm now faced with an actual live event that needs to be recorded as well so I'm really glad you did this video so I could refresh my knowledge in readiness for the gig next week. Cheers Joseph!
Awesome, I love hearing that - thanks!
HI again, I don't suppose you could point me in the right direction as to which settings to use on the Atomos Connect Convert Cros Scale Split (yellow box) you used to bring in the picture from the laptop, Little out of my depth here. Thanks in advance!
That depends on the conversion. Just look on the back of the box; there’s a chart of what you want to convert to. Flip the switches to match! It’s a little archaic but its super reliable.
@@photojoseph Thanks for that and yes, I'm nearly there. I have the switches 6 and 8 down (1080p25 same as the cameras' settings) and I have a nice clean image on the Shogun7 but it's flashing a quick blue screen at me about every five seconds which actually ends up in the recording. I must be doing something wrong I've played with switches 1-4 and they don't seem to make any difference. Not to worry I'll keep at it. Thanks
@@photojoseph I bought an Apple USB-C to HDMI adapter and it all works fine now. I thought it might be the cheap and cheerful adapter I was using…
Great video thank you. Are there any over air transmitters that can take an HDMI signal from a camera yards away and convert it into an SDMI, sending it to a receiver at the atomos. In the case of someone switching at a remote station and someone having to get video yards and yards away, that would be helpful.
I love this! Did you experience any video delay issues? And can the shogun fix it if it happens?
Video delay where? Almost all cameras have a slight video delay out their HDMI port.
That Panasonic broadcast baby cam that LIVESTREAMS???? YES PLEASE!
haha OK, there's a vote!
one more vote from me @@photojoseph
OK!
@@photojoseph Yes, review of the Panasonic CX10 plz!
@@photojoseph Did you ever get around to reviewing the CX10?
You keep putting out awesome videos and I keep buying awesome things. Thanks!
hehe is that "thanks 😃", or "…thanks 😡" Glad you like the videos! There's too much good stuff out there, for sure.
@@photojoseph My pocketbook isn't happy, but I'm so geeked about all the new tech that allows us to virtually connect. It's so important, now more than ever, so we can keep in touch while apart.
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Hi! How is the quality of the recorded iso files? Is it 10-bit and is it compressed like on the Atem mini pro?
The ATEM Mini is not recording 10-bit, but 8-bit. On the ATOMOS, you get 10-bit ProRes files.
@@photojoseph I know. Just wondered if there is any loss in quality compered to when you record one sourze. (The Atem compresses the iso files)
This is a very useful video!! thank you for the info on the shogun and the setup. Question, could you do hdmi out of shogun 7 to a laptop with an hdmi port for live streaming with OBS or other programs?
Hi Joseph- I’m seeing the ISOs and xml recorded on my Shogun 7, but not the program file.
What do I change to enable the recoding of the program cut as a video file too?
Many thanks
John
I don’t recall sorry, it’s been a while since I looked at that. I’m pretty sure it’s covered in this video though, no?
Question! This is our first time attempting to produce a live stream. We’ve been looking at different options such as sling studio, ATEM mini pro, PEARL mini, but now I see this option that you now presented. After looking at all the pros and cons of all the options I mentioned… We feel that sling studio is possibly the easiest to begin with. Do you recommend this option? What do you think? ...is there a better option with simplicity and steal good quality?
I know you were in the live show today LAT Studio so let me know if you have any follow up questions here. Unfortunately I don't have experience with the Sling but I definitely can say the ATEM and Pearl are both great products.
Just for clarification. Does the program feed .mov have all your cuts recorded into that file? If you had transitions on would there be black space on the program feed or would they come through? I'm thinking if you wanted to edit in premiere pro you would use the program feed and make adjustments from the multi cam but I'm not sure how the transitions would come through.
great video!
Hm, it’s been a while since I did this, but I’m quite sure this was all addressed in the video. However from what I recall the recorded program has just cuts where you had added transitions.
Hi, great video as always. Could I just clear up one point on audio. You get only ONE choice of audio input? It's not a case of one digital input AND the analogue, but one choice of digital OR the analogue. Thanks.
for the live output, yes. If you are recording then you can record as many as you like, but for live, it’s just one. It’s definitely one of the limitations.
@@photojoseph Thanks, that clears that up for me nicely. Appreciated!
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Thanks, very helpful guide.
hi ! joseph ..did you check out if a 8ch sync recording is possible combining both and use sync ? best thomas
If it’s not in this video I have no idea man… that was years ago.
T H A N K Y O U!
Finally ordered one of these today. New promo on as well until July 31st which is a bonus. Great video, thanks again.
Right on, and thanks!
Perhaps you thaught it was to mutch to put in to the content but I think it would had been good to show how you manage the sync in between HDMI/SDI/ to the streaming output. Otherwice , perfect !
Nice one PJ, love the programme, bit too technical but I was able to follow. How are you and family coping with our new reality?
all good here, thanks!
Hello Joseph; first of all, thank you very much for your work! I would like to know if it is possible to use the HDMI IN in multicam recording with other sdi input (3 sdi in and 1 HDMI in) Sorry for my english and thank you again for the excellent work that you do!
Thank you very much, I was looking for a solution to one of my clients needs which was streaming using 3 cameras and having a high quality recording for later editing. As I use FCPX this system you have described is perfect for my needs. Great stuff.
Excellent! Glad to hear it.
I was able to set proper resolution on Decimator MD-HX to MBP for 3 Sony 6400+ MBP at 1080P@ 59.94 into Shogun 7 on a 4 channel switch . Can provide settings on Decimator scaler screen shots available if anyone else has this issue .
Nice work. Yes, show the Panasonic that goes to the web.
Awesome
Great video and piece of software! Btw, is there a way to export the FCPXML file to Premiere instead of Final cut?
did you ever found out if FCPXML file can work or export to Premiere pro??
Would you recommend atomos 7 over the atem setup?
Different needs for different folks. I’m not recommending one over the other, just showing the capabilities of each.
Great video!!! quick question, whats the connector you used to transfer the file from ssd to pc?
That's the USB-C reader from Anglebird - it's their own model.
What is the impact of cabling (SDI vs HDMI vs NDI) of the video mixer performance. Image same set-up with NDI , how much I have to invest on mixer vs. converters/adapters.
I don’t understand the question. What do you mean by “impact”? And the investment; I shared costs of various converters here. If you need the cost of cabling, you’ll need to look that up for whatever lengths you need.
@@photojoseph Sorry wasnt clear, thanks for replying so fast. My question is related to how to decide which cabling to use (10+meters) because this impact to video res./quality as well as how much I have to invest on converters.
What would your recommendation for a similar set-up using NDI (1080p)?
(thinking of the set-up you had with touch)
SDI you can run VERY long (you can look up exact specs but it's a broadcast standard for a reason). HDMI much less. NDI is wireless and therefore lower quality. Don't have an NDI recommendation as I haven't played with any yet.
Can you re link the HD ISO's to the original 4K recorded in camera as well?
Not automatically.
Hi...thanks so much, I learn a lot from you...short question if I want connect 2 iPhone to the shogun 7 then I need either a Decimator Design MD-HX or the yelow box from atomos? I use this original apple HDMI connectors on the iPhones
Correct
@@photojoseph Hi and thank you so much for your quick replay....in case the Decimators are really expensive in Europe, around 350-400 Euros each...so thinking about to buy a camera (I also got 3 BM converter) ... will it work with a Canon EOS M3 ... bought alo the webcaster :)
Decimators are expensive but extremely reliable hardware
Great information. I have been using the Shogun-7 with 3 or 4 Sony 6400 cameras at 1080 24 Fps. 23.976 to be more exact.I am using Decimator LXs for the HDMI /SDI conversion into the Shogun7. I have a project where i need to bring in the HDMI output of my MBP laptop. I am trying to use the Decimator HX and scale everything to to match the framerate of the cameras + converters. The Shogun sees the Laptop as 50H 60 fps, no matter what the output is set on the HX converter. Is there a better HDMI converter to use to match the cameras so I can switch that? Any advice?
I don’t see how that’s possible. Decimators are superb scalers and if you have it set properly, I don’t see how the Shogun could be seeing a different framerate. My money is on the Decimator not being configured properly.
Can you tell me why i'm getting red x's on the switcher page regarding recording. I'm using 2 or 3 inputs, but I can only see what's on input one.
I haven’t used this in years, sorry. Try BMD support or their forums.
can you do this on the Atomos Shogun Inferno ? maybe with a firmware update ?
This reminds me of the Odyssey 7Q, which also has video switching.
I have the Odyssey Q7+ and you have to pay another £1750 for the Apollo software licence to be able to switch between cameras and record the streams. That's why I'm considering the Shogun 7 because you get the switching AND the unit for way less than just the Convergent Design software. I'm not really very happy with the situation, but it is what it is and I have to shell out anyway.
Can you exchange the FCPXML reference ISO recordings for another recording?
Scenario:
Recording ProRes Raw locally near camera on Ninja V. Sending 2x Ninja V over wireless transmitter to wireless receiver connected to Shogun 7. Shogun 7 FCPXML saves transitions. After importing FCPXML, the Ninja V ProRes Raw individual recordings are swapped with the Shogun 7 ISO recordings but retain the same transition information of the Multicam clip.
*Maybe a the file names have to be changed by either the ProRes Raw clips or in the FCPXML file.
*For synchronization, shogun has AtomX SYNC module sends timecode to timecode device connected to Shogun 7 port.
You would probably have to modify the xml to convince it that the new files are the old files. Just a guess.
@@photojoseph I guess so too. Thanks for the response.
Thanks for an excellent (even if a very speedy) review, it would have saved a lot of grief if Atomos had released an HDMI version! Can I assume from your review that there is not one planned in the pipeline?
Not that I’m aware of. But if you want an HDMI switcher, look at the Blackmagic ATEM Mini and Mini Pro. Search my channel; lots of videos on those.
@@photojoseph Thanks for the reply, I have an atom mini, but have not used it to broadcast yet, other than playing around with it in my den, fabulous piece of kit!
I talked about this in the video and linked to an article on how to convert it; visit photojoseph.com/yt/ep506 and scroll down the to FCP to Premiere part. Thanks.
How much decimator cause delay on video? I have heard 1 frame (HDMI > SDI)
i’ve never measured it but that sounds reasonable. I’d check with them for technical specs on it. I’ve only used mine for converting things like a computer display, so any delay that slight was not noticeable.
Can you send me a complete listing if all of your gear? I like you post setup system and want it.
If you would like a detailed explanation of everything I do, please visit PhotoJoseph.com/1to1 and book some time with me. Cheers.
How does it look whit the fan noise...mine is not so quiet
It was in use during this video… can you hear the fan?
@@photojoseph no, have to try that, if I sit near to the shogun I hear the fan...maybe with the right microphone setup it's not recogniced...
Don’t expect or try to have pure silence. It’ll never happen outside of a sound booth. You can always run a de-noise filter in post.
I would like to see better Timecode, Sync, NDI, Rj45, and 2x XLR or a DB25 Connector Integration in Showgun 7;
have you seen my latest video? th-cam.com/video/Nmde6Z7fH_A/w-d-xo.html
the setup is wayy overbudget....do you have anything with minimal cost?
ATEM Mini geni.us/ATEMmini and Mini Pro geni.us/ATEMminiPro - just impossible to get right now