When Ding Liren Froze in The World Championship
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ส.ค. 2024
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If Ding recovers from this, nothing will be able to break him
this china kid? xD
@@3KPAIN he’s more famous than you’ll ever be
We said the same for Ian after game 6 of his magnus match tbf. The two of them are unbreakable at this point
@@3KPAINnot even that, he is a better person than you'll ever be
@@3KPAIN WTF is with these racists lol.
This gave me legit goosebumps. After he played the blunder, i think i felt my heart sink in silence. This was heartbreaking.
We all he is better th-cam.com/video/ScW1yH0z3CU/w-d-xo.html
I feel really bad for him because he came out and never made an excuse but more so shared pride that he is able to play under the lights and cameras whereas before he couldn’t
The guy is trying his absolute best and we know he’s better than this. I just hope he understands he’s damn good and can beat anybody. This is where getting Rapport was genius
Not only has he seen everything and is a very chill guy but sometimes all you need is a little peptalk
Can we take a moment to appreciate Anish's commentary. Both true and heartfelt.
I thought the same thing. Anish understood exactly what happened. And, we don't see it in this clip, but after the game, when Daniel started to make the summary of the game, Anish stopped him quickly stating that the moves that had been played had nothing to do with the result and were then irrelevant. I also thought that it was really a classy reaction.
@@Myst2202 Thats a man who understands the pressure
We all he is better th-cam.com/video/ScW1yH0z3CU/w-d-xo.html
ye, anish was so professional. He understand pressure, anxiety and other stuff
@@Myst2202 Ty for sharing that. That is super classy and respectable from Anish.
This was heartbreaking to see… we almost got a win with black in a French defence in a world championship match. I can’t imagine how frustrated Ding must have felt😢
I wouldn’t say ‘almost’
Nepo held the better chances (and the time advantage) throughout the game
@@ifbfmto9338 black was better in that position though
@@abhinavk0929 Better but not winning, and black needed to be very precise to even have a chance to convert the advantage.
@GOODGAMING LEAGUE ? Nepo had more time than Ding, secondly the highest centipawn advantage black got in the game was about 0.7
There’s a large difference between 0.7 advantage (that required extremely accurate play to maintain) versus ‘almost winning’
@@abhinavk0929 Better yes, but not winning
It’s a little bit of an overreaction to say a 0.7 centipawn advantage was an ‘almost win’
He’s clearly struggling mentally
He said in interview that he feels little depressed.He’s one of the greats of chess and is the most humble and sweet person
I hope he will be back and i hope people are there to support him during this period.
We all he is better th-cam.com/video/ScW1yH0z3CU/w-d-xo.html
He said he feels uncomfortable about the time control. Anyway, looks like sometimes chess is not about the figures on the board.
Bobby Fischer talked about how much confidence played a role in chess. He’s not the only one of course but it really does start getting into your head.
He's not depressed, he's just vaxxinated. Happens to the best of us.
so heartbreaking :( the nerves got to him
such a pain to see a top player getting overly concerned and throwing... but we believe in u ding! ❤
I never imagined i would witness a WC classical game where the opponent gets flagged. These games are just taking a wild turn one after the other.
Technically I think he stopped the clock and shook hands before his time ran out.
But plenty of losses in W CH were because of bad time trouble.
Increment is recent invention and in old times it did not exist at all. Actually it is pretty good that playing without increment at least for first several hours is back.
Result of chessgame was always about
1 ) position on board
2 ) time management
Both factors are equally important and both players can use same amount of time
He did not flag.
@@thesnackbandit Technically no. But with 6 moves left and 3 seconds on the clock what do you think would have happened next. Read between the lines. He probably only resigned to save him from the embarrasment of getting flagged.
@@cihanbaran5738 It is more accurate to say that he knew he had screwed up so he let his time run that low. It's not like he was actually blitzing out moves and flagged. And at that point, he still had 45s to make 5-6 moves, which is obviously easily possible (albeit with subpar moves). That time spent was simply to come to terms with the game and resign. Think Gukesh - Nodierbek at the chess olympiad.
@@thesnackbandit letting time run low=he was getting flagged. It does not matter if you are blitzing out moves and you suddenly realize that your time went out. He froze and at the end he realized he was going to lose by time and he just resigned. If he would have gone on for 1-2 more moves he would be flagged.
If Ding wins this after this loss then it will perhaps be one of the greatest world championship wins ever
It would be awesome!! Go Ding!!!
😂😂
I hope he wins but it’s really difficult.
One of the most exciting but not greatest. This would not have happend to Carlsen or Kasparov.
He is back guys 6-6
The way I understood his comments in the press conference, he didn't simply freeze but evaluated the position as borderline lost for black, especially if he played it slow, so he was looking for tricks. With an eval bar it's easy to miss, but he's down an exchange so it makes some sense.
Yeah exactly not sure why everyone is getting emotional in comments. Was basically losing hikaru said same thing. Especially after sacrificing his pawn then blundering another pawn he pretty much knew and was looking for tricks
It is weird. Black has control of the open file. active queen and bishop cover most square. White rook is passive and stuck on protecting the pawn.
Not sure how Ding see it as losing position for black.
@Homelander the second pawn wasn't a blunder it was a sacrifice to open up the white king.
@@revanth2628 Not the pawn on wall the one where queen took and he didn’t have the correct line after. He just moved the rook twice and didn’t check king
It’s also a personality type. I don’t think Bobby Fischer would have thought the position was lost because he was a very very confident player
I think the only thing holding back Ding is his confidence. I think you over analyze because he believes his opponent must have something better planned
And of course you can’t sleep on Nepo or any GM but I don’t think he’s giving himself enough credit
The problem is the downward spiral. Too many lines to check, time gets low, you realise it, then realise you have too many line to check, the first couple ones you check ended up not looking good so you know you have to look for more, time is lower, you realise you don't have time to think, but you have to and from there your mind think about the time and not the game, it becomes too difficult to concentrate, you freeze.
Very enlightening insight, you seem to be a very very experienced tournament player
The problem is he misevaluated the position
Honestly when he got to the 1:30 minute mark he should've just said fuck it and looked at the entire board and made a move off instinct but then again I am not GM lol
@@Kodaira023 You can call that misevaluated. Sometimes you are just unlucky as you choose to look at several lines that looked promising but after spending minutes realize they are not. If you had picked the best one off the start, you would have saved a lot of time, most of the time that's what GM do, but they look at alternative line just to test proof the one they saw. Sometimes you are just unlucky, especially in a complicated position.
@@LtKregorov If I remember correctly, in the post-game interview he said that he didn't see any good solutions, basically after Rd1+, he didn't have a solid response to Ian's response, same with other moves
Really unfortunate
Great clip, this is such a human moment. I love how Giri was there with his head and heart to walk us through this. Feeling it for Ding
Nepo fan here, but this is heartbreaking 🫂.
Both great players giving ud an absolute show
Why?
This is a comical world championship. First, Magnus decides to just not defend his title. Now, these two are putting on a comedy show.
@@eufrosniad994Magnus is a poker player right now.
@@eufrosniad994 Thank you fellow Stockfish cheater for your humble opinion
He's gonna come back, believe me. Let's go Ding!
microprocesor from china
lol. you must be delusional if you think he will come back. Meltdown like this takes months if not years to get through. Nepo will become the World Champion.
@@maxmustermann-lr5xo idk if you play chess or not but these breakdowns are decently common in classical games, you know your winning but you can’t find the best winning moves and so you just keep thinking and thinking then you see the clock and it’s pressure just makes you keep losing your train of thought. So no he won’t be broken from this, but he will be very disappointed
@@maxmustermann-lr5xo we'll see
@@maxmustermann-lr5xo you sound pretty confident for a guy who has no clue what he's talking about
I really understand now when Hikaru sometimes says "I know this isnt the best move but I'll make it anyway" Hikaru really has a good ability to identify at least a move that isnt losing on the spot.
Hikaru also says "Well, I'm losing here, but I will try to flag this guy"
King g7 or raise a corner pawn is not that bad as a waiting move, but only when watching live we understand the mentality break from Ding. Feeling bad for him.
We all he is better th-cam.com/video/ScW1yH0z3CU/w-d-xo.html
hikaru is literally dead even in speed chess with magnus and sometimes better.
He says that mostly in the opening phase or early middlegame. He doesn't say that in a sharp position where it's easy to make a mistake and lose the game immediately, let alone in a WC match
Ding told at the very first day - he can't imagine himself being WCC. I feel like he is unconsciously sabotaging his victory.. winning can be scary, indeed.
This is exactly it. Knowing you can actually win, that it’s all really achievable, it makes it all the more brutal
Yeah, honestly this psychological battle is going to be tougher than him beating Nepo(which I believe he could do with ease)
@@NationalSportsEntertainmentNSE don't forget that Nepos main issues are psychological too :)
Maybe but this is chess, self belief means nothing if you make the best moves, which for the most part he does
@@joelmacinnes2391 do you watch chess streams? self believe means everything, since to win you need to risk and to DO NOT make the best moves. And noone makes the best moves all the time.
psychologically this might affect Ding for the rest of the tournament.
That's what I am saying .
Bro I would hard support him for Game 8 so that he mentally gets stable again
Na he’ll bounce back and be stronger than ever!
It might affect him for the rest of his life.
We all he is better th-cam.com/video/ScW1yH0z3CU/w-d-xo.html
ding should try to draw the next game... stop the bleeding and recover
Wow, just 12 days later and he becomes the World Champion, making history and inspiring us all! It's a powerful reminder that no matter how hard life knocks us down, we have the strength to rise up even stronger 💪🏆🌟
2:29 did no one notice Danya's face when he said "finally" LOL
haha great notice!
He did that like 3 times wtf
spooks HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH nice catch
haha i saw it
lmao his eyes
Ian's secret weapon for this match is his dadbod. Great storage of energy. What he was missing in Dubai and what Ding is missing now.
Indeed and that douche samurai hair cut was also ruining Nepo's chess.
@@caiocesar8410its called a man bun lmao
i cheer for Nepo but this was so stressfull. Keep your head up Ding !
Shoutout for Ian and Ding for saving classical chess, amazing match
dang, my heart goes out to Ding, but you gotta give it to Magnus Carlson and Gary Kasparov, to reign as champions for such a long time, through all of this pressure.
The pressure was made so much more real both during the last WCC and this one.
You can kinda understand why Magnus decided to resign
Alternative title:
"ding chilling 🥶🥶🥶"
didn't expect a world championship to make me cry but here we are
excellent commentary from Anish, such a pleasure to watch
This was hard to see, I’m still rooting for my guy Ding! Nepo is a fucking beast tho man, crazy how good these guys are
i never thought i would cry cause of chess match, but the whole situation, such an important game seeing such a sensitive, kind human being as he looks like, bein frozen and suffering, while commentators trying to make him move with their words, even though they cannot doin anything. This short moment of empathy towards such a sweet soul was sad but also kinda touching. It broke my heart :( But Ian went through a similar situation against Magnus so he truly deserves to win
The mental stress was colossal. As Hemingway alluded to in his quote on sport, a sport is when you put your life on the line. These 2 guys are doing just that.
They're playing chess--no lives on line here!
The winner gets 60% of 2 million dollar. The runner-up gets 40%. So it's either 800.000 or 1.2 million. I would politely disagree they are putting their life on the line.
@@l.d.t.6327 if you think becoming world champion is just about earning some money then your view on life is quite shallow
@@shady21377 did I say that? I didn't think so. So stfu.
They are literally just moving some wooden pieces over a wooden board. It is a game. Chill out buddy
BRO I AM CRYING AT DANIELS FACE AT 2:29
I watched this game during class and I don't know how I didn't shout "MOVE DING MOVEEEEEEEEEE". This is proof that, despite being geniuses with unbreakable minds, they are still humans after all..Amazing game
Hes not a genius lol im smarter than him😊
Same here.
@@bobbyjonas2323m sorry buddy even if we havent seen other skill from him other than chess a chinese guy has 90% probabily from being better at everything than a american (if you is american this is a guess but unless you is from india or united kingdon it wouldnt matter that much)
@@flacsomtodosclas2165 One of my core interests/hobbies is science. More specifically astrophysics, astronomy, the nature of our universe etc.
I just absolutely love to have my mind blown trying to wrap my brain around borderline incomprehensible dynamics of the universe.
However, only now am I left ultimately perplexed by how a comment that was edited, can still contain such a high yield of autistic expression.
@@rileylolwing6550 ty i apreciate it i do my best to go beyond the lines of stupidity and human reasoning
Daniel's eyes at 1:58, 2:00 and 2:28
It's from finding the best moves on the chessboard. ;)
A tic maybe?
Is this some condition or just normal?
ahegao
That reminded me of language simp
Great words by Anish. It doesn't matter if position is winning or losing when your brain says i'm done. I can't handle it then you are done!!!
Watching this made me feel the anxiety and the sadness I felt while watching this live. So heartbreaking. I love Ding and this game makes my support for him even greater. I hope he will recover from this.
Looking back at this...the final result of the match is so much more impressive
It was heartbreaking to see live to say the least. This is exactly what I was dreading going by his past few games. A complete psychological break down. I don't know if he can come back up from this. Surely I hope that he can and he will.
When you watch Nepo's press interviews, even he was not so bullish today as he always other days, it was so bad even his opponent didn't want to mount more pressure on him. Kudos to Nepo as well
Wow he must be feeling so much pressure! He really needs that day off to calm his mind - thank God there’s one after this game. Hope his team can help him with the nervousness of this level
I think is more than nervousness, something broke inside him in that moment. I don't think he slept well since the WCC started and adding all the pressure, the intense 4-6 hours games and all the studying and prep they do... Hope he comes back fresh for match 8, i am rooting for Ding🙏
weird question but are u from Montpellier in France? I lived there and there was a Mall called Antigone haha
Ding, I hope you come back strong next game. I can't begin to imagine the amount of tension he must have felt. You got this brother ❤
Tania was literally crying. This is one of the most gut-wrenching moments in WC history
Dude, am I the only one tripping over Danya’s crazy eyes??? Lol had to rewatch a few times
@@bits_for_bytes I saw that too LOL
It is so difficult to make that transition from Classical to Blitz during the same game man. Being down on the clock in a lot of games I know the feeling and how hard it is.
Ding was just deep in thought in analysis. Players like that are usually pretty good. I believed Ding continous learned during his game with nepo where he finally learnt enough to beat him
This video makes me sad even now after his definitive victory! :( Such a heartbreaking clip!!
I’ve never seen someone get flagged in a classical game, hats off to Ding for flagging Mr. Liren.
Ding Chilling
Ding Winning
Ding Freezing
Most underrated part of the whole clip: “Boris Gelfand once fell asleep against me.” LOL wut?
In the after the game interview, he just explained how every move he thought of could be readily refuted. Thus, he couldn't find a way to make a good move, and make progress; while Nepo had a very secure K and good attacking chances with many of his responses. It wasn't an emotional problem - just a very difficult chess position.
Unbelievable to watch this happen. He must be so mentally exhausted after such an intense first 6 games. Also just goes to show how resilient Nepo has been after Ding's relentless fighting.
His face showed the level of stress and sheer confusion he was in. I hope he recovers from this and comes back stronger.
Damn, I feel bad for him man, I hope he makes a comeback, I really want him to win
he aint coming back from this. Its game over.
Lol that's what everyone said after his first loss and after the second. Just stop talking like if you knew everything and wait for the next games to see how it unfolds :)
@@gp2776 w
I am supporting Ding, I don't like Nepo, but as far as we see at chess tournments when this happens to a player, he doesn't come back. I hope for a miracle for Ding's game.
@@caiocesar8410 Everyone said the match was over after the first loss for the same reason. Then he came back. Then everyone said the match was over after the second loss. Then he came back.
I don't say he will necessarily come back this time. But we should wait a little more before sealing his fate.
Maybe the match would be already done if that was against Magnus. But Nepo showed two times he is not 100% able to keep his lead. Both players are under lots of pressure (the match itself, questioning themselves if the crown is a real one, etc.).
I'm not necessarily supporting one of them. I just think it is weird to say he is doomed when the same scenario already happened two times.
We should just wait the next game imo. Let's learn from our mistakes and not repeat them that early :P
It’s sad because he made a comment about how he spent all of his time in the rest area and he felt proud of himself because now he can at least play without crumbling
He’s trying his absolute best and I really want to see the guy succeed. This is 100% mentality and it’s sad to see somebody not be able to utilize their skills
Ding pushed himself beyond his limits, he has achieved a greater honor than the championship itself.
the most entertaining, most dramatic championship match I've ever witnessed.
2:29 look at Danya’s face
he really got hit by ZA WARUDO.....that's rough buddy
Nepo thinks he dio
I think this is where Nepo's previous experience plays a significant role. He's been there before. Ding is carrying the world on his shoulders in a way. Last night i spoke to a strong player in our club (not a GM but quite strong). He said it helps a great deal if one can focus only on the game itself, disconnecting from all externalities, and that the psychological dimension is a big factor. Its more easily said than done and esp. when so much rides on the games result.
I didn't see Danya's derpface live at 2:29 😂😂
Danya got so frustrated that he went cross-eyed several times.
Danya's eyes in sympathy with Ding's brain.
Such a beautiful and real game . I really appreciate these both guys. Fingers crossed for tommorow's Ding disposition i really hope that He'll be back and win the title.
Anish knew exactly what happened.
I'm quite confident at this point that ding will bounce back and most probably make good performance the next game.
Champions are made under pressure
Ding.exe stopped working
"It happens, I have seen it. It happens to people they frizee. He is frozen. It happens sometimes " Anish Giri 2023
Anish is obviously more knowledgeable about high-stakes chess matches than I am, but I don't feel like Ding "froze" or "collapsed" - the position was just so complicated, he was just trying to calculate everything and not make a mistake, hoping to blitz out the remaining moves once the position was more clear. Not good time management, but he was certainly aware of the situation.
Ding controlled everything in that game except his CLOCK and unfortunately lost it on the winning position... That made me sad... Over all, he still being genius chess player.
There was more to it than "time management" - he was really struggling in the middle game after Nf6 to not get checkmated so had to burn a lot of energy and time to sort those issues out, and then he just hit the wall from exhaustion.
2:29 look at danya :D
*whispering* "And it's also a bad move..." Anish doesn't care about the tense position Ding is in lol
NGL I almost cried watching this video with music. These players put so much effort and dedicate their lives for chess and then something like this happens 😭
🤣i feel sorry for my man ding but tanya's crazy eyes had me lmao
This match is starting to look as if by design to make chess more interesting for wider audience 😂
Anish is a most gifted and sensitive commentator
To be honest this psychological breakdowns gives me terrifying chills that How much Magnus was resistant to these kind of mental pressure breakdowns, in game 6 of last WCC even magnus was down on clock but he managed to get in further time control
ding collapsed here. nepo collapsed the rest of the match. ding never lost again
Tania upset like Ding forgot to get the Kids from school 😅
Anish literally walked away. It was painful to watch. Can't imagine the pain Ding felt.
Watched this game live... It was totally unexpected from Ding succumbing to the severe time pressure.
At 1:58 we see Daniel with glitched eyes
Well now I belive he will consider twice before waste time on snacks.
1:58 Wtf, why did Danya cross his eyes like that? 😂😂
A heart wrenching loss for Ding. I hope he'll recover from it soon and bounce back. Nevertheless kudos to Nepo.
Ah, the melancholy I feel; my heart goes out to you Ding Liren 🖤⚔️🥀.
both players played it out. kudos to the both of them. i wish there would be two world champions. but sadly only one should come out on top.
Who's here after Ding won the World Championship???
me me me
Daniel's face at 2:29 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Even Nepo had a look on his face like “dude are you good?”
1:32 look at him being so insanely focused
Danya's eyes on 2:28 hahahahh
Anish saying ding.exe has stopped working is gold 💀
Actually there is a perfect explanation. At the press conference Ding said that he thought his position was worse. He even used the word "hopeless" at one moment. As Fabiano Caruana pointed out he was not worse, nor the computer considered his position worse. Probably his time trouble compounded his panic and belief. Let's not forget that he had only one pawn for the exchange initially then none. He must have thought that he cannot afford to miss any chance of concretely saving the position. It was not just about making moves for the sake of moving.
2:33 “…and it’s also a bad move” 😂
Man, I felt that. Poor Ding. Hopefully he will bounce back, but that must be a hard blow.
I'm in my 60s and used to play competitive chess from the age of 15 to 25. I used to get into time pressure frequently during my career in weekend swisses, this was before the age of digital clocks. Some clocks were notorious for being unpredictable - do you have 5 seconds or 50 seconds left? And increments were still just an idea. MODERN PLAYERS ARE WIMPS WHO DON'T KNOW HOW TO HANDLE TIME PRESSURE.
Anybody noticed at 1:56 Danya thought so hard his eyes crossed?
Unbelievable moments in WC!! We're so fortunate to witness such historical moment that may not be repeated for a very very long time.
After this if Ding wins this, its worthy of a movie.
1:57 what's going on with DANYA eyes? 😂
Ding the iceman, in a positive and negative way.
"If Ding Liren comes back from this, he is the toughest man in the world right now." - Levy
2:05 the inner fall, whoever put music to this part deserves a raise, try it with headphones.
For anyone wondering about the music, it is "Here to Fight - Roman P". Cheers!
4:34 Jan's reaction speaks for itself