When I clicked on the video, I had hopes that metal printing could be a nice hobby. The price tags and the size of the machines changed my mind really quick
Right now, the most cost effective way of doing metal is either fdm printer with metallic filament that can be put into a oven or sand casting with a pattern that can be burnt away. If you don't mind working with alloys with a lower melting point, higher temp resin prints can handle pewter and similar. Really, it's a shame, but they will get there eventually.
You never know. Maybe your designs could be highly valuable. With the right backing you could buy a 3D production system and be off and running with a great business.
Until the cost of these machines comes WAY down, "lost PLA" casting is still the most cost effective method for hobbyists to cheaply produce metal parts. $100 for a cheap printer and another $100-$200 for a used furnace and you're good to go.
Actually UV curing wax resin's prices are also becoming quite reasonable (if you buy them from China) and are easy to print with a LCD 3d printer. It'll be easier to burn out compared to PLA and also give better details.
@@hyphen2612 I recently got a small resin printer from creality for $200. I'll get a proper metal printer when they come down in price enough to be practically.
Agreed. All of these sintering printer companies are making the same mistake DaVinci and FormLabs made with their stupid, proprietary cartridge systems. Maybe it's justified to keep their R&D rolling, but I have a feeling it'll be more like Canon or Sony and their inkjet printer cartridge scams that continue to this day.
I worked for a 3D company for many years, a major driver of SLS metal powder engineering and the SLS machines and sintering kiln. I was always disappointed with the cost and low throughput of 3D systems compared with conventional metal fabrication, using 5 axis mills and billets of whatever metal you wished to use. Our customers spent a lot of time frustrated getting good quality parts. Perhaps the parts are of better quality now, but, I do not see that costs or manufacturing time has improved much in 15 years since I left.
A Looooong Story, but a funny story for anyone who has been super desperate to start their own business. I have a good friend who is a Design Engineer and great with both CAD & CAM. He always wanted to go out on his own but could not think of how he could do it ?? ( the thoughts of Many people who work for a boss i guess ?? ) He had the opportunity to meet a company through a family friend. The company needed to possibly ?? manufacture an Aluminium component for a piece of equipment they were designing. They first wanted to see a prototype part prior to manufacture. He managed to convince them he could manufacture this part ???? They mostly wanted to see the actual part for real before starting to manufacture. Just prior to this my friend brought a standard 3D Printer just to have fun with. His idea, as stupid as it was ???? Was to make the part on his 3D Printer, and show the company the part ?? But ?? They were expecting a part made from Aluminium ?? He 3D Printed the part. Spent hours sanding it nicely then Painted it with Aluminium Paint, LOL. ?? I seen it after he finished ? It actually looked pretty good. At first i thought he actually went out and brought a CNC Machine ? He showed the company the part. Out of the few guys that were looking at the part. One guy commented ? It seems very light even for Aluminium. My Friend at that point started to panic thinking the guy was calling him out for making the part out of Plastic, LOL. The other guys started joking and saying what were you expecting a rock ? My friend grabbed the part asap and held it before the guy could say anymore. My friend said to me later ? He was absolutely shitting himself if they work out i was bullshitting them that would be it. He went away, and a few weeks later they asked about going into full manufacturing of this part. He said Yes without thinking ?? LOL. He did not even have a CNC machine to make the part ?? As quick as he could, he brought a good second hand CNC machine put it in a rented workshop and started making the parts. After a few months a brand new CNC machine arrived and he was flat out making parts for this company. Later he sold the second hand CNC machine and replaced it with 2 brand new CNC machines and started employing staff. Now has 6 full time guys, more machines and he is back in the office running his own business. As mentioned. A Looooong Story. But it just goes to show. You Need to have some balls to start a business sometimes, LOL
If we could spin a room in space, creating artificial gravity, then you could use some of these metal 3d printers in space to repair parts of a ship, or even build the ship outright while in space. Especially if you could mine and refine asteroids, just slowly make a larger ship to house a much larger 3d printer. Do that until you could build massive ships in the outer atmosphere, completely out of 3d printers, at least the outer hauls, and metallic parts. Humans could then wire/plumb the ship. These might as well have revolutionized how we could make space faring ships.
While I am happy the technology exists and is becoming more and more widespread I am still sad at both the expense and size of the machines needed although I understand it will take more time this is an extremely amazing piece of technology I hope that someday the technology is refined and mass produced enough so that hobbyists could get their hands on it and do some of their own work I have lots of ideas myself I hope to one day use this kind of machine for but at its current price tag I would never be able to afford one in my lifetime
Agreed, but there are services that allow you to print your parts. For most people it doesn’t make sense to have those machines, unless you have a a shop of robotics or something like that you’re not going to make full use of them.
You don’t need a $100k machine. I build custom FDM machines. Cost is still around $10k but its also a 22” x 44” build plate which is far larger than many of those industrial units. Enclosure is heated and tstat controlled and uses a fixed bed design. You still need a kiln or whatever to sinter.
Cloud-based storage wouldn't be practical or feasible if they didn't follow some protocol for data encryption. It's like email. I don't break any NDA clauses when I send or receive emails.
That's funny you mention that. My brother works at a metal shop and they have a very expensive cnc Laser machine like close to a million dollars. Well their cnc programmer guy found the blue prints online for how build it and info on where to get the electronics from China cheaply. And I think my brother said it costed the guy 30k to build and it took him 1 year to build. He had to do it a few pieces a week because the company he worked for was charging him per hour to use the machine plus sheet metal cost. And now that guy does contract work on the side for the company he works for and has an operator working out of his warehouse behind his house. Idk if its legal but apparently he changed some things and his is better then the real thing and he is using a Chinese cnc program so idk. 🤷
Good video. Incidentally, pricing is always (always) a welcoming touch in any "Top 5" review video. That said, a video showing the absolute cheapest 3D metal printers (complete w/which metals they can/can't do) would be awesome.
For less than 5k I can purchase a lathe & milling machine to make the same items & probably quicker lol. At the moment it's like the first VCR these 3D printers are ridiculous expensive.
Exactly! For now metal printers are more for corporations, but eventually they will become cheaper. It's great that you can use CNC's and milling machines as not everyone understands how t use them
Its a risk also in terms of Intellectual Property leakage, but I once purchased a MarkedForge printer when they first release for my company & there was option to have local version of the software. Was expensive though.
Yeah sketchup did this. They ‘upgraded’ their free and incredibly useful app to a cloud based browser version. You really think I am going to design new products while google monitors everything I’m doing in the cloud. I blocked my sketchup from accessing the internet so they can’t remove it. Every time I load it up sketchup moans that it is not connected to the internet 😂
@@parajacks4 Literally anything (you can print plastic firearms at home with a $200 printer instead of paying 100-500x the price, you can also get big CNC machines for $5,000 used that can machine a tray of dozens of slides at once). As an engineer there is no F'ing way I'm putting my designs on some cloud based piece of $hit (it probably even runs on Windows, I can get any file off any Windows computer hooked to the internet with a program written by a high school student and M$ hasn't bothered to fix this as far as I know), so any proprietary design, even if its for a toy I don't want leaked to the Chinese. If I want the Chinese to steel it I would have it manufactured THERE not at my business.
Heavily depends on your material and if its sintered or lazer. Lazer is basically welded and stronger where as sinter is cleaner ,more accurate but less robust due to fusion bonding. They can be welded on as their metal obviously.
Why not use the principles of welding to create a 3d printer that can print juat metal? Take the wire feed welder, put a second spool on the ground, make the 2 ends run together, adjust power to make the metal wires molten but not burn when + and - touch, direct the resulting molten metal through a tube of some sort to manipulate the metal like the "plastic" printers....
What advances need to be made before we can bring the cost of metal 3D printers down to an affordable level for the average person? These are important questions.
If it were to follow exactly the same pattern as with plastic 3d printers (around the time MakerBot came out @ $3000/ printer), some of the patents would have to expire (they usually are 20 years long) and then some local or foreign manufacturer starts using the same technology to manufacture cheaper printers without having to pay royalties to the original inventors. Over time, with enough competition between these manufacturers, would force prices further down (around the time Creality came out @ $300/ printer)
They don't want you to be able to do this from home. Will disrupt so many things but ultimately it will be cheaper. Progress for this technology is inevitable .
These are mostly OEM-grade 3D printers. They are not for hobbyists. They are for prototyping, low volume production, and replacing parts that might otherwise have long lead times. They are meant to shorten time to market or cut weeks off of customer lead times due to bottleneck failures. As for the cloud, there are many business and mission-critical applications moving to the cloud that we wouldn't even consider 2-3 years ago, e.g. Public Safety communications. The cloud does force us to build in cybersecurity and ensure privacy. This is an issue that is inherent in today's technology environment. Industries are rapidly expanding to fill this need for IP/data/privacy protection, not to mention the need for the Legal system to write the laws now needed to cover this. Will it be bumpy until this matures, probably. Is it inevitably moving forward? You can count on it. We can choose to engage or not.
I need this to build prototype components for my aviation business, but I could never afford the price that it would take to buy these things. I would have to do full production to afford these items. Let me know when they come down under $10,000 bucks
The last system looked the best over all out of the lot for a actual manufacturing. Even if it made 100 a day. It's a good combination of old and new methods of doing each process fast and accurate. The system is big but for good reason. Expensive? Most likely. As the all are. Not for home market but business or Tony stark wannabes :D
i believe its is one of , if not THE cheapest of these....markforged possibly but markforged is slow ....migt as well print in plastic , make sand moulds for most stuff...
@@MarsGadgets yeah but its hot dangerous, messy, tedious if you want to prototype, you are limited in shape too, complex geometry is where the strength of this stuff really lies... and if you want to cast fast? you need modern 3d prinitng tech . print in pla, embed in sand, melt , then cast, thats te only reason its so quick these days.
Oof i like how you promote running your parts through a website. “Government checkpoint” to see if your printing things you shouldn’t be.... by their standards. Shall not be infringed
Not promoting cloud slicing tools! And not affirming that cloud based slicers that get to see everyone's designs do not infringe the copy rights of others. It is a very new and copyright issue
@Kakashi Hatake some "Americans" don't anymore, apparently. Imagine what the founding fathers would have said to the idea of mass-produced weapons with 3d printers. They would have loved it. Now, imagine what they'd say and do if they heard about government regulation on such topics. They'd be pissed off.
Can't wait to buy one... I just have to wait for a price drop... The cheapest full system I saw online was 100k ... I can't afford it if it would be 10k but I would buy a full system for 10 k
I'd give it a couple of years before we see increased competition between these companies to create more affordable printers the way MakerBot and Creality dropped the price of plastic printers to less than 5% of the original price level of FDM printers
Do you mean replicas? Many coins are stamped, you won't get the same stress marks. If you are doing cast coins then you can also do that with regular $200 FDM printers.
Molding a plastic printed part, and then casting it would be the simplest way to do it, and you can create many replicas from the same mold for less than 3d printing each coin in metal
@@jakegarrett8109 I want to make custom art coins. Similar to hobo coins..but also with precious metals like gold and silver but copper and brass aswell.. I'm seeing that a cnc laser machine or nano cutter ñ/engraver maybe better than printing..
They could try using water instead of wax. You could manufacture the frozen water and metal powder sticks on-site. There would be no waste products to dispose of.
All these systems are in the 6 figure range. You would need to request quotes for the specific prices since companies like these tend to have changes in price.
@@calvinkorver2767 Yeah the printer itself isn't cracking 6 figures but when you buy the rest of the system to clean and "bake" the prints you're in the 6 figure range immediately. Otherwise you need to mail your prints out to get finished elsewhere.
I’m interested in finding a service to print parts. Not interested in buying a printer. Who offers metal printing services in the USA? Is it possible to print steel so the parts are attracted to a magnet?
@@soundspark What makes you think they will not figure out the technology to make 3D printing better and cheaper? The technology 20 years from now may be quite different than today. Although, I will agree that the price decrease may not be as drastic as it was for television sets. Primarily because there isn't as much demand for 3D printers as there is for television sets. When I was in college (studying Mechanical Engineering), I took a 3D computer graphics course. Back then, they used expensive Silicon Graphics computers that the average person could not afford. I made a claim to my professor that some day ordinary home computers will be able to perform the same graphics intensive tasks. He insisted that would never happen. Here we are today, and home computers are far better than those old Silicon Graphics machines.
The good thing is in 5 years there is gonna be a affordable one . Look a regular 3D printer I remember they were $5,000 and up even $10,000 at one point now you can get one for $250 up
So the first printer prints in a few metals but only because they don't use metal powders. Otherwise, they could print on pretty much every metal on Earth
They will. You should be able to choose the chassis and looks, then the motors, 2wd or 4wd and the battery setup. Once you make the first payment, it should start to be printed. That is where I think the industry should be pointing, instead of offering designs of their own and we choose something they want to sell, whether if we like it or not.
Thanks for your feedback! The list was based on projections of printers projected to come out based on press releases and other information published by the manufacturers.. and there are updated videos detailing the different types of metal 3D printers on this channel, check them out!
SLS is the way to go (the trird one), the others insist in cartridges, online based software, several fridge sized devices and multiple steps taking days even (RFid for the canisters, seriously). ignoring the last two as they are just renders
I work with 3d printing and I have used several 10K range FDM printers before and whatever the other may say they are just c**p like their 400$ chinese clones. Open loop actuators, cheap linear bearings, toy belt transmissions, use of motor bearing as load bearing when tensioning the belts, cheap TR screws... The list is so long I could continue for a couple of days. The only thing that makes them better is quality control so you (usually) do not have to check for loose wires the first time you power them up. It seems that good engineering practices (a very good reading is the Shigley's) do not apply when designing a 3d printer, so I wonder if these 6 figure 3d printing ecosystems are made like proper cnc machines.
There are a few that are reliable, and others like you say are still testing their first and second generation printers that still need a lot of tweaking
Can I get a metal 3d printer for under 100K? This would be a personal use 3d printer with potentially small manufacturing of a tool I designed and patented
5/10 years from now these printers will be smaller ,bigger build area and far cheaper. The biggest benefit will be private non cloud based slicer software. Want to make a gun reciever ? Boom yes you can. Want to make a turbo charger housing boom you can do that too. Freedom of manufacturing 😏. Save up until then. Already have long term holding cryptocurrency investments for things just like this. 5 more years bois
@@MarsGadgets the blue print of the part you want to print For example (toyota alternator bracket pn 1115 789) Like sellable parts not just junk you kick around the house
Daniel Landauer You can use a new I phone to scan a original part if it’s broke glue it together and scan it with laser Build your 3D model from the scan and print it out
As someone who used MarkForged printers before at work, there's no damn way in hell I'm buying and using those stupid things ever again for my own projects.
@@phillyphil1513 To be fair, I've only used their reinforced nylon printers. They have no heated bed or heated enclosure. This leads to severe warping issues. Larger parts would often pull of the bed and be ruined. This was very costly. A wiring loom on one of the machines had been pinched between the frame and a fiber extruder motor bracket and the time and pressure slowly pressed aside the insulation causing a significant issue that took me a lot of head scratching to figure out. Lastly, I will never again use a cloud based slicing software. Not a chance.
Thanks for your feedback on the printer! The FDM type of metal printing seemed too sketchy, yet they are catching on. What was your experience with cloud slicing that made you dislike it?
The last printer is very cost effective. 700k....Even if you get a 7 year lease on this printer, I don't think you ever get your money back. Pure ripoff....
Sure time and cost are two major factors when deciding what production techniques to use. But in the case of additive manufacturing the design freedom is also a major selling point. For example, a designer might be able to print cooling ducts within a part where conventional machinery is not able to do so. Same with certain types of hinges and topology optimized designes.
3d printers already have advantages over CNC machining in most fields, other than simple ease of use (essentially anyone with a computer can use a 3d printer), there's also the simple fact that you can produce shapes with 3d printers that are physically impossible to create in single parts with CNC machining.
Totally agree with you. Its not enough you pay 100k, they also want you to only use their software. Its an opportunity for a programmer to make a universal slicer for metal 3Dprinters lthe way Cura is to plastic printers
When I clicked on the video, I had hopes that metal printing could be a nice hobby.
The price tags and the size of the machines changed my mind really quick
Right now, the most cost effective way of doing metal is either fdm printer with metallic filament that can be put into a oven or sand casting with a pattern that can be burnt away.
If you don't mind working with alloys with a lower melting point, higher temp resin prints can handle pewter and similar.
Really, it's a shame, but they will get there eventually.
Some people have multi million dollar yachts for a hobby🤢😭
You never know. Maybe your designs could be highly valuable. With the right backing you could buy a 3D production system and be off and running with a great business.
Ooh, nice. Now I just need 300k $ for this printer. Thank you, such a great product 😅
😅😅😅 Me too!
These are at least a couple magnitudes cheaper than they were a decade ago
Until the cost of these machines comes WAY down, "lost PLA" casting is still the most cost effective method for hobbyists to cheaply produce metal parts.
$100 for a cheap printer and another $100-$200 for a used furnace and you're good to go.
That is very smart, especially useful if you are a hands-on individual with such skills
The target market is not for hobbyists.
Actually UV curing wax resin's prices are also becoming quite reasonable (if you buy them from China) and are easy to print with a LCD 3d printer. It'll be easier to burn out compared to PLA and also give better details.
@@hyphen2612 I recently got a small resin printer from creality for $200. I'll get a proper metal printer when they come down in price enough to be practically.
Agreed. All of these sintering printer companies are making the same mistake DaVinci and FormLabs made with their stupid, proprietary cartridge systems. Maybe it's justified to keep their R&D rolling, but I have a feeling it'll be more like Canon or Sony and their inkjet printer cartridge scams that continue to this day.
I was kind of looking for something to leave on my desk somewhere on the left hand side 😄
I worked for a 3D company for many years, a major driver of SLS metal powder engineering and the SLS machines and sintering kiln. I was always disappointed with the cost and low throughput of 3D systems compared with conventional metal fabrication, using 5 axis mills and billets of whatever metal you wished to use. Our customers spent a lot of time frustrated getting good quality parts. Perhaps the parts are of better quality now, but, I do not see that costs or manufacturing time has improved much in 15 years since I left.
It is a dream for those who love building things. I hope some day I will have money to buy this printer.
I prefer to have my models locally on my computer and send to the printer and not done online.
A Looooong Story, but a funny story for anyone who has been super desperate to start their own business.
I have a good friend who is a Design Engineer and great with both CAD & CAM.
He always wanted to go out on his own but could not think of how he could do it ??
( the thoughts of Many people who work for a boss i guess ?? )
He had the opportunity to meet a company through a family friend.
The company needed to possibly ?? manufacture an Aluminium component for a piece of equipment they were designing.
They first wanted to see a prototype part prior to manufacture.
He managed to convince them he could manufacture this part ????
They mostly wanted to see the actual part for real before starting to manufacture.
Just prior to this my friend brought a standard 3D Printer just to have fun with.
His idea, as stupid as it was ????
Was to make the part on his 3D Printer, and show the company the part ??
But ??
They were expecting a part made from Aluminium ??
He 3D Printed the part.
Spent hours sanding it nicely then Painted it with Aluminium Paint, LOL. ??
I seen it after he finished ?
It actually looked pretty good.
At first i thought he actually went out and brought a CNC Machine ?
He showed the company the part.
Out of the few guys that were looking at the part.
One guy commented ?
It seems very light even for Aluminium.
My Friend at that point started to panic thinking the guy was calling him out for making the part out of Plastic, LOL.
The other guys started joking and saying what were you expecting a rock ?
My friend grabbed the part asap and held it before the guy could say anymore.
My friend said to me later ?
He was absolutely shitting himself if they work out i was bullshitting them that would be it.
He went away, and a few weeks later they asked about going into full manufacturing of this part.
He said Yes without thinking ?? LOL.
He did not even have a CNC machine to make the part ??
As quick as he could, he brought a good second hand CNC machine put it in a rented workshop and started making the parts.
After a few months a brand new CNC machine arrived and he was flat out making parts for this company.
Later he sold the second hand CNC machine and replaced it with 2 brand new CNC machines and started employing staff.
Now has 6 full time guys, more machines and he is back in the office running his own business.
As mentioned.
A Looooong Story.
But it just goes to show.
You Need to have some balls to start a business sometimes, LOL
Nice story. It's true, you need to have some balls to start a business sometimes.
For the small price of $100,000 you too can print lowers hahahaha insane
Gotta get a group of people together 100 ppl $1000 a piece... Unlimited lowers!
ridiculous price
The first plastic printers cost the same. Give it 10 years
I did the math on this, it would take 12-15 years to recoup your investment over just buying lowers.
milling machine will work fine for $1000
cloud based slicer is a nogo. Not for my hobby projects, but for the company I'm working for
"Cloud based slicer" sounds like a good way to steal your designs.
everything is either cloud based or subscription now so they can bleed you dry and steal your stuff and it blows
@@newfablesam i dont blame the company, i blame everyone stupid enuff to go "ok🤷♂️", & not join together to raise hell.
Do they really?
@@J0SHUAKANE Crack or nothing
@johnnytheprick Windows 7 for life homie. Probably going back to windoes xp soon since the source code leaked👍
If we could spin a room in space, creating artificial gravity, then you could use some of these metal 3d printers in space to repair parts of a ship, or even build the ship outright while in space. Especially if you could mine and refine asteroids, just slowly make a larger ship to house a much larger 3d printer. Do that until you could build massive ships in the outer atmosphere, completely out of 3d printers, at least the outer hauls, and metallic parts. Humans could then wire/plumb the ship. These might as well have revolutionized how we could make space faring ships.
Could be used in tv series... lost in space in upcoming season
@@merajkhan-pz6vj I thought that ended
While I am happy the technology exists and is becoming more and more widespread I am still sad at both the expense and size of the machines needed although I understand it will take more time this is an extremely amazing piece of technology I hope that someday the technology is refined and mass produced enough so that hobbyists could get their hands on it and do some of their own work I have lots of ideas myself I hope to one day use this kind of machine for but at its current price tag I would never be able to afford one in my lifetime
Bro just buy the machine and then just print more machines won’t have to worry bout a price tag
The £1850 Qidi i-fast can print with metal filaments, such as bafs 316 stainless steel, and you just needs a kiln for sintering.
Agreed, but there are services that allow you to print your parts. For most people it doesn’t make sense to have those machines, unless you have a a shop of robotics or something like that you’re not going to make full use of them.
Dude machines has always cost alot if money
You don’t need a $100k machine. I build custom FDM machines. Cost is still around $10k but its also a 22” x 44” build plate which is far larger than many of those industrial units. Enclosure is heated and tstat controlled and uses a fixed bed design. You still need a kiln or whatever to sinter.
Jesus, having an entire 3d printer that can do the entire PM process just sounds incredible.
What's pm?
I would never buy a cloud-based solution. Anyone using such a system would be breaking the non-disclosure agreements they have with customers.
Definitely
Cloud-based storage wouldn't be practical or feasible if they didn't follow some protocol for data encryption. It's like email. I don't break any NDA clauses when I send or receive emails.
but then they couldnt track all those prohibited things people would print with a metal printer...
Wow can I use this to 3d print an affordable metal 3d printer.
That's funny you mention that. My brother works at a metal shop and they have a very expensive cnc Laser machine like close to a million dollars. Well their cnc programmer guy found the blue prints online for how build it and info on where to get the electronics from China cheaply. And I think my brother said it costed the guy 30k to build and it took him 1 year to build. He had to do it a few pieces a week because the company he worked for was charging him per hour to use the machine plus sheet metal cost. And now that guy does contract work on the side for the company he works for and has an operator working out of his warehouse behind his house. Idk if its legal but apparently he changed some things and his is better then the real thing and he is using a Chinese cnc program so idk. 🤷
Good video. Incidentally, pricing is always (always) a welcoming touch in any "Top 5" review video. That said, a video showing the absolute cheapest 3D metal printers (complete w/which metals they can/can't do) would be awesome.
For less than 5k I can purchase a lathe & milling machine to make the same items & probably quicker lol. At the moment it's like the first VCR these 3D printers are ridiculous expensive.
Exactly! For now metal printers are more for corporations, but eventually they will become cheaper. It's great that you can use CNC's and milling machines as not everyone understands how t use them
Idk what cnc machine you use, but the only ones I know are 1million+€
@Badger what? To whom? It's a wordplay on greek mythology.
Funny how all the programs are online so the company/government can keep an eye on what you're making.
Of course, how else can they protect you from people abusing this technology? 😛
Its a risk also in terms of Intellectual Property leakage, but I once purchased a MarkedForge printer when they first release for my company & there was option to have local version of the software. Was expensive though.
Yeah sketchup did this. They ‘upgraded’ their free and incredibly useful app to a cloud based browser version. You really think I am going to design new products while google monitors everything I’m doing in the cloud. I blocked my sketchup from accessing the internet so they can’t remove it. Every time I load it up sketchup moans that it is not connected to the internet 😂
Deltafire are you whining because you can’t 3D print a gun a home?
Or is there something else you had in mind?
@@parajacks4 Literally anything (you can print plastic firearms at home with a $200 printer instead of paying 100-500x the price, you can also get big CNC machines for $5,000 used that can machine a tray of dozens of slides at once). As an engineer there is no F'ing way I'm putting my designs on some cloud based piece of $hit (it probably even runs on Windows, I can get any file off any Windows computer hooked to the internet with a program written by a high school student and M$ hasn't bothered to fix this as far as I know), so any proprietary design, even if its for a toy I don't want leaked to the Chinese. If I want the Chinese to steel it I would have it manufactured THERE not at my business.
Curious if the parts can be welded after creation as well as would they even withstand certain levels of vibrations.
Heavily depends on your material and if its sintered or lazer. Lazer is basically welded and stronger where as sinter is cleaner ,more accurate but less robust due to fusion bonding. They can be welded on as their metal obviously.
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Greetings from Munich, Tom.
Hahaha thanks for watching!
CNC machines are basically the same price. Idk why everyone's surprised at the cost. You can make more than just lowers guys...
I got ad of this video in between this video 😂
"Cost effective "
Why not use the principles of welding to create a 3d printer that can print juat metal?
Take the wire feed welder, put a second spool on the ground, make the 2 ends run together, adjust power to make the metal wires molten but not burn when + and - touch, direct the resulting molten metal through a tube of some sort to manipulate the metal like the "plastic" printers....
It will not be stable and precise and will be required to grind and remove alot of waste metal.
@@jgon12 I think it could be developed to be precise... Like any tech, it would improve as it progressed..
Amazing metal 3D printer machines
Nice video💯
What advances need to be made before we can bring the cost of metal 3D printers down to an affordable level for the average person?
These are important questions.
If it were to follow exactly the same pattern as with plastic 3d printers (around the time MakerBot came out @ $3000/ printer), some of the patents would have to expire (they usually are 20 years long) and then some local or foreign manufacturer starts using the same technology to manufacture cheaper printers without having to pay royalties to the original inventors. Over time, with enough competition between these manufacturers, would force prices further down (around the time Creality came out @ $300/ printer)
They don't want you to be able to do this from home. Will disrupt so many things but ultimately it will be cheaper. Progress for this technology is inevitable .
Demand increase, would lower cost.
Hopefully these types of printers will slowly become 50,000, then 25,000, then 15,000 then 5,000, then 1,000
Im waiting for 5k-10k, then snagging one.
Want to know the strength of the metal alloy
Wow, watched a video ad and got an ad for the same product in the video ad I'm watching.
Finally seen where to buy one thanks dude
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Batter to use simple 3d print then make mold which batter
Great job sir
These are mostly OEM-grade 3D printers. They are not for hobbyists. They are for prototyping, low volume production, and replacing parts that might otherwise have long lead times. They are meant to shorten time to market or cut weeks off of customer lead times due to bottleneck failures.
As for the cloud, there are many business and mission-critical applications moving to the cloud that we wouldn't even consider 2-3 years ago, e.g. Public Safety communications. The cloud does force us to build in cybersecurity and ensure privacy. This is an issue that is inherent in today's technology environment. Industries are rapidly expanding to fill this need for IP/data/privacy protection, not to mention the need for the Legal system to write the laws now needed to cover this. Will it be bumpy until this matures, probably. Is it inevitably moving forward? You can count on it. We can choose to engage or not.
What's the market for this type of service? Also ROI
I need this to build prototype components for my aviation business, but I could never afford the price that it would take to buy these things. I would have to do full production to afford these items. Let me know when they come down under $10,000 bucks
possible
Excellent thanks
WE CAN MAKE BEST PARTS FOR FULL ARMORS!
Yeah but at what cost?
The last system looked the best over all out of the lot for a actual manufacturing. Even if it made 100 a day. It's a good combination of old and new methods of doing each process fast and accurate. The system is big but for good reason. Expensive? Most likely. As the all are. Not for home market but business or Tony stark wannabes :D
i believe its is one of , if not THE cheapest of these....markforged possibly but markforged is slow ....migt as well print in plastic , make sand moulds for most stuff...
Sand moulds is how things were always done in the past, and works much faster even than modern tech
@@MarsGadgets yeah but its hot dangerous, messy, tedious if you want to prototype, you are limited in shape too, complex geometry is where the strength of this stuff really lies...
and if you want to cast fast? you need modern 3d prinitng tech .
print in pla, embed in sand, melt , then cast, thats te only reason its so quick these days.
Omg we’ve come sooo far with 3D printing
Metal 3D printing will be the greatest revolution in technology only when it can print another copy of 3D printer from it...
Subnautica vibes here 🤗
Oof i like how you promote running your parts through a website. “Government checkpoint” to see if your printing things you shouldn’t be.... by their standards. Shall not be infringed
Not promoting cloud slicing tools! And not affirming that cloud based slicers that get to see everyone's designs do not infringe the copy rights of others. It is a very new and copyright issue
@@MarsGadgets He isn't talking about copyright infringement, lol.
@Kakashi Hatake some "Americans" don't anymore, apparently. Imagine what the founding fathers would have said to the idea of mass-produced weapons with 3d printers. They would have loved it. Now, imagine what they'd say and do if they heard about government regulation on such topics. They'd be pissed off.
Is there anything about the sintering method, for small items like 6” cube, that’s better then CNC milling, like with a ghost gunner 3?
I was hoping this channel was more than just advertising.
Thanks for your feedback! More will come, stay tuned!
Um, I think he was saying that it actually IS just a bunch of advertisements. You know, because from what I'm seeing, it is...
yeah yeah yeah but can it print the 3dbenchy???
Can't wait to buy one... I just have to wait for a price drop... The cheapest full system I saw online was 100k ... I can't afford it if it would be 10k but I would buy a full system for 10 k
Hahaha! Just wait for Creality to make their cheap metal fusion 3d printer 😅
@@MarsGadgets are you going to make a video if the printer will be released?
Any way to not use "eiger" and use a non-cloud, offline slicer program instead?
Some printer manufacturers may have that option, but not all of them..
Starting with DM then Ending With DM
I think Eos is the best in the World , Cause the make DMLS not SLM it means they Don’t have to make sintering
So my question is how strong is this material is it a strong as tool steel
Haha. No...
So either have to be already set up to afford it, or get a loan.
Bummer.
I'd give it a couple of years before we see increased competition between these companies to create more affordable printers the way MakerBot and Creality dropped the price of plastic printers to less than 5% of the original price level of FDM printers
What would be the best models and accessories for printing coins. And what the best 3d scanner to use for scanning items into print DB
Do you mean replicas? Many coins are stamped, you won't get the same stress marks. If you are doing cast coins then you can also do that with regular $200 FDM printers.
Molding a plastic printed part, and then casting it would be the simplest way to do it, and you can create many replicas from the same mold for less than 3d printing each coin in metal
@@jakegarrett8109 I want to make custom art coins. Similar to hobo coins..but also with precious metals like gold and silver but copper and brass aswell.. I'm seeing that a cnc laser machine or nano cutter ñ/engraver maybe better than printing..
@@sarinulek6816 that's probably true, much cheaper and coins are relatively flat so great candidate for milling machines.
They could try using water instead of wax. You could manufacture the frozen water and metal powder sticks on-site. There would be no waste products to dispose of.
does Markforged printer , print clinical grade titanium?
No
If you need 3 machines for one print it doesnt sound like it's for a guy with a hobby.
Dear Santie Claus, May I have one of these for my workshop?
Prices?
All these systems are in the 6 figure range. You would need to request quotes for the specific prices since companies like these tend to have changes in price.
@@PreciadoProductions I saw Desktop Metal (2nd printer shown) at a trade show a little over a year ago and I think the starting price was around 40K
@@calvinkorver2767 Yeah the printer itself isn't cracking 6 figures but when you buy the rest of the system to clean and "bake" the prints you're in the 6 figure range immediately. Otherwise you need to mail your prints out to get finished elsewhere.
I want to print gold metal products can u plz help
I’m interested in finding a service to print parts. Not interested in buying a printer. Who offers metal printing services in the USA? Is it possible to print steel so the parts are attracted to a magnet?
We can print metal parts, but we are in China. LOL
Sheesh, that binder machine looking at half a million, only the big boys will buy this
Only big boys and corporations can afford it, until the technology gets cheaper
Not too long ago, small flat screen TVs would cost over $15000. Now you can get them for under $200, and they are much better.
@@soundspark What makes you think they will not figure out the technology to make 3D printing better and cheaper? The technology 20 years from now may be quite different than today. Although, I will agree that the price decrease may not be as drastic as it was for television sets. Primarily because there isn't as much demand for 3D printers as there is for television sets.
When I was in college (studying Mechanical Engineering), I took a 3D computer graphics course. Back then, they used expensive Silicon Graphics computers that the average person could not afford. I made a claim to my professor that some day ordinary home computers will be able to perform the same graphics intensive tasks. He insisted that would never happen. Here we are today, and home computers are far better than those old Silicon Graphics machines.
The good thing is in 5 years there is gonna be a affordable one . Look a regular 3D printer I remember they were $5,000 and up even $10,000 at one point now you can get one for $250 up
So the first printer prints in a few metals but only because they don't use metal powders. Otherwise, they could print on pretty much every metal on Earth
Hanzhen harmonic drive gear , over 30 years experience in industrial robot arm gear reducer, factory automation, joint gear
Yes, i can be trusted with a metal printing machine, I will follow all laws and social normalities 🥰
I guess these guys haven’t seen the SLM NXG 600.
Woah, that thing is HUGE!
Cheaper and better to go with cnc
Cars should be so cheap to purchase now
They will. You should be able to choose the chassis and looks, then the motors, 2wd or 4wd and the battery setup. Once you make the first payment, it should start to be printed. That is where I think the industry should be pointing, instead of offering designs of their own and we choose something they want to sell, whether if we like it or not.
You wouldn’t 3D Print a car 👮♂️
@@lc3523 look into how supercars are constructed. Composite monocoque bodys. Give it 20 years it will probably happen
Your "Clickbait" title is nonsense. How can you possible know in November 2020 what the top 5 metal printers will be in 2021?
Thanks for your feedback! The list was based on projections of printers projected to come out based on press releases and other information published by the manufacturers.. and there are updated videos detailing the different types of metal 3D printers on this channel, check them out!
Atleast add the price. Makes life easier
I really dont see how this is better than investment casting a plastic 3d printed part
It prints ready made parts that are ready to use
Excelent!!!
SLS is the way to go (the trird one), the others insist in cartridges, online based software, several fridge sized devices and multiple steps taking days even (RFid for the canisters, seriously).
ignoring the last two as they are just renders
Why don't they just melt metal like plastic ؟
Probably because metal is hard to roll around as filament, and also needs very high temperatures above 1000˚C, which would consume a lot of power
The 3d printing "geeks" over here really thinking that this video is for hobbyists lmao
Love how it says 2021 but was posted in 2020.
I am just going to learn how to use CNC machine then.
I work with 3d printing and I have used several 10K range FDM printers before and whatever the other may say they are just c**p like their 400$ chinese clones. Open loop actuators, cheap linear bearings, toy belt transmissions, use of motor bearing as load bearing when tensioning the belts, cheap TR screws... The list is so long I could continue for a couple of days. The only thing that makes them better is quality control so you (usually) do not have to check for loose wires the first time you power them up.
It seems that good engineering practices (a very good reading is the Shigley's) do not apply when designing a 3d printer, so I wonder if these 6 figure 3d printing ecosystems are made like proper cnc machines.
There are a few that are reliable, and others like you say are still testing their first and second generation printers that still need a lot of tweaking
Can I get a metal 3d printer for under 100K? This would be a personal use 3d printer with potentially small manufacturing of a tool I designed and patented
Ghost guns !!
5/10 years from now these printers will be smaller ,bigger build area and far cheaper. The biggest benefit will be private non cloud based slicer software. Want to make a gun reciever ? Boom yes you can. Want to make a turbo charger housing boom you can do that too. Freedom of manufacturing 😏. Save up until then. Already have long term holding cryptocurrency investments for things just like this. 5 more years bois
Hell yeah
Except you'll need an updated Covid passport to buy the supplies ... ha ha
Should probably wait until 2021 is over before you post things like this
It is what we know as of now :)
@@MarsGadgets lol you shouldve called it best metal 3d printers 2020.. u posted it at the end of 2020
how do you get the blue print of the part? I bet the original manufacturer won't give that up for free
The blueprint of the printer you mean?
@@MarsGadgets the blue print of the part you want to print For example (toyota alternator bracket pn 1115 789) Like sellable parts
not just junk you kick around the house
Daniel Landauer You can use a new I phone to scan a original part if it’s broke glue it together and scan it with laser
Build your 3D model from the scan and print it out
As someone who used MarkForged printers before at work, there's no damn way in hell I'm buying and using those stupid things ever again for my own projects.
elaborate...?
@@phillyphil1513 To be fair, I've only used their reinforced nylon printers. They have no heated bed or heated enclosure. This leads to severe warping issues. Larger parts would often pull of the bed and be ruined. This was very costly. A wiring loom on one of the machines had been pinched between the frame and a fiber extruder motor bracket and the time and pressure slowly pressed aside the insulation causing a significant issue that took me a lot of head scratching to figure out. Lastly, I will never again use a cloud based slicing software. Not a chance.
Thanks for your feedback on the printer! The FDM type of metal printing seemed too sketchy, yet they are catching on. What was your experience with cloud slicing that made you dislike it?
Guns.
Guns and car parts.
You can build a jet turbine too
The last printer is very cost effective. 700k....Even if you get a 7 year lease on this printer, I don't think you ever get your money back. Pure ripoff....
It is more for industrial applications at this point, until cheaper versions come out
I wonder if he could make gun parts With these machines
Cool but to complicated sadly
They are so expensive that they don't even bother to mention the price. Cause if price is something that matters to you you probably can't afford one.
Why doesn't he mention the price?
Oh... That's why, they're like, a quarter of a million dollars. Maybe I can just 3D print one...
How to make a video:
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Damn I want a metal 3d printer but they are way to much
They will one day get cheaper 🙃
And then there is The Virtual Foundry
lmao when you need a part in a week and dont have a cnc machine... I dont see this being very useful
They are indeed still very expensive, but just as with plastic additive manufacturing, the price will eventually go down to make these more worthwile
Sure time and cost are two major factors when deciding what production techniques to use. But in the case of additive manufacturing the design freedom is also a major selling point.
For example, a designer might be able to print cooling ducts within a part where conventional machinery is not able to do so. Same with certain types of hinges and topology optimized designes.
3d printers already have advantages over CNC machining in most fields, other than simple ease of use (essentially anyone with a computer can use a 3d printer), there's also the simple fact that you can produce shapes with 3d printers that are physically impossible to create in single parts with CNC machining.
What is i made a gun with this?
Would be too expensive 😅
@@MarsGadgets sad 😔
I'm need one parts, if you prepared and give for me
who gonna buy a 100k machines and use a web based bullshit ? Let's say the company gonna be down, you can't print anymore ? LOL !
Totally agree with you. Its not enough you pay 100k, they also want you to only use their software. Its an opportunity for a programmer to make a universal slicer for metal 3Dprinters lthe way Cura is to plastic printers
I can a car with this technology
Show!
Show what?
@@MarsGadgets About metal 3d printers! abraços do Brasil!!
Türkçe subtitles please