Right out of the gate, there's a very subtle detail that proves the team behind this show knows their stuff. In a letter by Tolkien to Mrs. Catharine Findlay, who wrote to him asking about the meaning of Galadriel's name, he informed her that it means "Maiden crowned with gleaming hair," but went on to refer to the fact that when Galadriel was younger, in the First and Second Age, "she was then of Amazon disposition and bound up her hair as a crown when taking part in athletic feats." And they have Morfydd Clark's hair "bound up...as a crown" for nearly the entire episode. Merrimac and the Stoors are sort of Hobbits. There's three real varieties of halfling in Tolkien's Legendarium: three flavors of Hobbit, if you will. There's the Harfoots and the Fallowhides, who are the residents of The Shire when we knows them in the Third Age; and then there's the Stoors - which is what Merrimac is - who are mostly found around the Great River in the Third Age. Smeagol was a Stoor once, before the One Ring corrupted and ruined him. There's a few physiological differences between each of the three varieties, but the Stoors are mostly noted for their larger and flatter hands and feet to allow them to paddle on the river. You're right, Adam - Jolly Tom Bombadillo is, in fact, something completely else! We just have absolutely no idea what. Tolkien refused to ever clarify what Bombadil is beyond simply saying that "he is." So for 70 years now, people have been arguing about who or what precisely Bombadil is. I, personally, believe he's an embodiment of the Music of the Ainur in Arda helping to keep the natural world in balance - but some people think he's Eru Iluvatar cosplaying as a living being in his creation; others think he's a nature spirit; still others draw comparisons with a leprechaun-type creature from Celtic mythology known for guarding the natural world. But I love Rory Kinnear as Bombadil just from this one episode already: he's so casual about the use of his powers - as Tom is in "Fellowship of the Ring" - and yet refuses to give anything even approaching a specific answer to any question he's given, which is - again - completely in character. The exhange between The Stranger and Bombadil where he's asking "Is it my task to face Sauron" is just phrased in such a way that it makes me think - more and more - that the Stranger is Gandalf, as if the "follow your nose," "gand," and "Grand-elf" lines weren't enough. Becuase in "Return of the King," Tolkien gives us these paragraphs, of Gandalf speaking to the four Hobbits, about himself and Tom Bombadil: "I am with you at present,' said Gandalf, 'but soon I shall not be. I am not coming to the Shire. You must settle its affairs yourselves; that is what you have been trained for. Do you not yet understand? My time is over: it is no longer my task to set things to rights, nor help folk do so. And as for you, my dear friends, you will need no help. You are grown up now. Grown indeed very high; among the great you are, and I have no longer any fear at all for any of you. "'But if you would know, I am turning aside soon. I am going to have a long talk with Bombadil: such a talk as I have not had in all my time. He is a moss gatherer, and I have been a stone doomed to rolling. But my rolling days are ending, and now we shall have much to say to one another.'" The Barrow Wights being missing from the film trilogy actually has a strange little "butterfly effect." The four Hobbits, of course, got captured by the Barrow Wights in "Fellowship of the Ring," and were rescued by Tom Bombadil - so I love that they're in the same episode here - and they took small daggers from the barrows to use as weapons. Those weapons, as Elrond puts it here "return them to rest," but they - in the context of the Legendarium itself - sever the connection between anything spectral or spiritual and the Unseen Realm, the spiritual plane of existence. So flash-forward several months to the Battle of the Pelennor Fields, when Eowyn of Rohan is standing between the Witch-KIng of Angmar and the critically injured King Theoden. Merry stabs the Witch-King in the leg with his barrow dagger, severing his connection to the Unseen World: and thus allowing Eowyn, moments later, to kill him by stabbing him in the void where his face should be. Because the Barrow Wights and their daggers were missing from the film trilogy, the Witch-King has gone from the terrifying and imposing undead sorcerer he's meant to be as the Lord of the Nazgul... to the personification of hubris in proclaiming "No man can kill me" before instantly getting himself killed by Eowyn, without any of the mystical interference that allowed her to actually be able to do so. The fact that Adar greeted Galadriel by calling her "Alatariel" is actually a huge wink to the deep lore. Alatariel is Galadriel's name in Telerin, the language of the Teleri - a race of Elves - most of whom settled in Valinor, but several of whom prominently did not. Galadriel's father, Finarfin, was one of the few Noldorian (High) Elves specifically said to have learned to speak Telerin, and he had named his children with Telerin influence. At her birth, she was named "Artanis" by her father - "Noble Woman." She chose "Galadriel" to be her own name because it is the Sindarin (Common) Elvish translation of the Telerin "Alatariel" nickname given to her by Celeborn, her husband, which translates as I quoted Tolkien confirming earlier, "Maiden crowned with gleaming hair." So it seems, with Adar greeting her by "Alatariel," they seem to be highly implying that Adar, before his corruption, may well have known Celeborn.
Yeah I think the only bug I have with this show is the presence of Gandalf. I haven't read a lot of the books but from all the resources I've found online I've only heard mention of him arriving in Middle Earth in the Third Age before the Hobbit took place. Wondering if any of that has most to due with other people's ick for the show.
@@brettcoon9773 They've hinted that it's him, but 1. yes, it could be him or 2. it's a misdirect. There have been lots of the color blue, from Nori's robes, the blue scarfs on the scary looking from the east, and Bombadil's coat. Honestly, I think Tom will give The Stranger his coat and BOOM, Blue Wizard.
@brettcoon9773 I did a deep dive on everything Tolkien ever wrote about Olorin - Gandalf's real name - before Season 1, because this theory has been around for awhile. And Tolkien specifically refers to Olorin being in Middle-Earth prior to the Third Age, but as distinct from Gandalf. He was one of the six Maiar sent by the Valar to guard the primordial Elves at Cuivienen after their discovery by Orome, and Tolkien's writings confirm that he took physical form to do so. Tolkien also states in The Silmarillion that Olorin "walked among them unseen, or in form as one of them, and they did not know whence came the fair visions or the promptings of wisdom that he put into their hearts" during the First Age. So there is precedent for Olorin/Gandalf to be active and embodied in Middle-Earth prior to the Third Age. What I suspect is happening in the show is they're taking the original Blue Wizard plot from the 1950s drafts of The Silmarillion, where the Blues were corrupted and fell to evil - leading cults of dark magic in the Far East - in the Third Age; and combining it with Tolkien's later 1970s plot for the Blues, where they were instrumental in resisting Sauron in the Second Age; and making "Gandalf the Blue" to give audiences a familiar character as the "good" Blue Wizard, while the "Dark Wizard" is the other Blue.
Ultimately, there is no answer to what Tom Bombadil is. He's not Valar, he's not Mayar, he's not Illuvitar. He was written prior to The Hobbit. It's unclear why Tolkien even included the character in Middle Earth, and even he admitted he never even defined in his mind what he was. Personally, I consider him to be the embodiment of the song that created Arda.
I always saw Tom EXISTING in Lord of the Rings as Tolkien reminding the audience that the world doesn't start and end with Sauron and the one ring and Eru and Morgoth stuff. There are things on Arda that are older and far more incomprehensible - even to the all-knowing elves or the most wise characters within the story - things and beings that are older than knowledge itself and no matter how grand the quest seems to be, this conflict is mostly insignificant to them. Maybe Tom was the song or maybe Tom was the song before Eru's song - ultimately Tom merely existing within the setting, makes the world feel bigger.
Rory Kinnear is amazing as Tom Bombadil. Poor guy is gonna get fancast as reboot Hagrid for the rest of his life now 🤣 But the west country accent for Tom is simply perfect. He’s just the right combination of whimsy and fierce
Lore Dump 4/8: Elrond is Galadriel’s son-in-law, so there probably won’t be a romance between them. All we really know about Tom Bombadil is that he’s… Tom Bombadil. And incredibly powerful. And old. He’s one of the few things Tolkien doesn’t explain. The barrow-wights come after Tom Bombadil in the books, before the hobbits get to Bree. In a very horror movie-esque scene, they are captured and about to be sacrificed in an ancient ritual when they’re saved by Tom Bombadil. The barrow-wights are dark spirits bound (by the Witch King) to the dead bodies of the kings of Arnor (Aragorn’s ancestors). Arnor was the northern kingdom of men and Gondor was the southern kingdom. Fun fact: Gollum was a Stoor. And the Harfoots do found the Shire. When Adar addresses Galadriel, he uses her elvish name! PS. If the Dark wizard is Craig, does that mean Pinocchio, the Craig-Slayer will make a cameo?
I do really love Hobbits of different environments. Desert Hobbits, Hobbits on boats (maybe participating in a little spirited piracy), Hobbits in the Hills & Trees. Hobbit homes are wherever the hobbits roam.
I do love the idea that Eru Illuvatar, the god of LoTR, would decide to enter his world as Tom Bombadil, the chillest dude ever, knowing all of the chaos that Morgoth and Sauron were going to create and just fully not caring.
Morgoth and Sauron doing their thing is all part of the song written at the beginning of time. There's nothing that either can do that wasn't already part of Ilúvatar's creation. This is why they're destined to fail.
Something I need to point out that stuck me as being a helluva coincidence. Tom Bombadil is described as having a blue jacket, and yellow boots. JAY IS WEARING A BLUE SHIRT AND A YELLOW HAT.
He didn’t explain anything...? He’s “just old” and he can whip up some magic, is a friend to all life and never gives real answers to anything because he constantly speaks in rhyme and song. Exactly what we already knew.
@@Persephone_Personified I'm referring to Jay and Adam asking for explanations about him 🤣Bombadil is perfect so far because they haven't explained anything.
I find the expectation to have action in the early episodes ridiculous. Stories are told in three acts. Introduction, middle, and climax. Everybody knows the climax is where the most action happens. The show runners said some storylines will only be resolved in the final fifth season. PJs movies had slow storytelling, too. I dont understand this impatience im seeing. Its so insincere and childish. So just be patient and enjoy the ride. It feels sometimes like people forgot how to watch shows. You're not supposed to have everything explained straight away, its okay if you dont know everything right away. The last 3 episodes will be the big war, for 3 EPISODES. Might be the longest battle in TV history. Including the escalation of the situation in Khazad-dum, Numenor and in the desert with Tom Bombadil. Other than that, J truly is Tom Bombadil. Or his descendant lol. All that singing has to come from somewhere
Tolkien never did give any full explanation for Tom Bombadill. He was intentionally left mysterious and unexplained, as all great myths require. Although, some have theorized that he is Tolkein himself, inserted into the story.
If we just look at him in the book, he is a dandy gentleman farmer, coat and all, Master of his land, with synthetically bright colors in his clothes/boots. He could be Christopher Robin with his rubber boots, or Paddington Bear. He is like a modern person from Tolkien’s world inserted into his fictional world as a fickle fairy, unaffected by the evil in that world, embodying the idea of descendants of Adam untainted.
4:07 I thought it was Radaghast, I in no way thought they'd ever include Tom! up until this point, I have only seen comments and reactions that talks about what they're doing wrong with this show. but there are some interesting facts I read about in your comment section that shone a new light upon it... It gives me cause to reflect.
I loved this episode. The pacing of the show is great in season 2, the whole story is ALL seasons, as they have said some thing will only be resolved in the last season. It´s so funny to me that this show is too clever and advanced for those "Tolkien experts" that hate on this show everywhere in the comments on social media when everything just goes over their heads. The gems of lore in this season that is unknown to those who have not dwelled in The Simarillion that the show is based upon, those people who don´t know that the movies are adaptations too. This season is beautiful. So many metaphores, every shot and lighting say so many things without words. I truly wish all those haters would watch Rings & realms breakdown of each episode on youtube, it´s perfect for those kind of people who miss all those beautiful details on this show and adressing things they don´t understand.
@3:21 knowing Elrond marries Galadriel’s daughter, this reaction made me 🤢 I like the end of the episode having them part ways so that Elrond can fly on his own. @6:12 I love the name Poppy, too! It’s known as the flower that grows over graves, life after death. WW2 graves became poppy fields. ❤💐
While we don’t really know for sure with Tom, the most mysterious of all Tolkien’s characters, I think the prevailing wisdom in the fandom is that Tom is Tolkien’s idea of what God is for middle earth
The elves had that running montage why not keep running through that grave site? I mean who stops at a dark grave site but runs through nice scenic mountain tops?
Jay is Tom. 🎶 Ole Jay Schmidt is a merry fellow. Bright blue his shirt is and his hat is yellow. 🎶 Please listen to Bombadil's song from the end credits.
Finally some recompense for skipping Tom Bombadil and the barrow wights from the film trilogy. With an entwife thrown in for good measure. Got to say, I was so looking forward to your reaction to the 'a sort of Grand Elf...' comment, but it never happened... 🙁
I know this is a strange hill, but the idea that stars came AFTER planets in the legendarium is just WILD to me. Like it was immersion breaking for a second, for me--which I *know* is so stupid and nitpicky when the world was literally flat for a while (and may be during these events in the show, actually?), but I can't help it. Like, without stars you can't have planets...brain bluescreen for a second.
That would make sense in the real world but Middle Earth was created by beings. The universe in the books was created by music, sang into existence by the Ainur. It wouldn't need to follow real logic.
When Melkor destroyed the two great Lamps Ormal and Iluin and the world became dark again, the Valie Yavanna put all plant life into a deep sleep, the Sleep of Yavanna. After that only Valinor was lit by the light of the Two Trees. But when the trees died and the Valar created the sun and the moon, the long sleep of Yavanna ended.
@SethRGray The world is still flat, yes. Valinor is still perfectly accessible to all boats. The curving of the world and removing of Valinor comes... a bit down the road. Season 4, I'd bet.
You guys have ZERO reaction to Nori talking to the Stoor lady about the “Suzat”! They were talking about the Shire! The “streams of cold water” and “endless green hills” that Rorimas Burrows had a dream about finding but never did!
Galadriel is Elrond's mother-in-law. Or will be as soon-ish (if at all in this version). They can make up but there will be no kissing thank you very much! Also Tom! You know. He really didn't fit in the movies. Seems like a good fit here. Then again this is a alternate telling of the Middle Earth stories. Also Also Ent-wife! With her Ent-husband it seems.
Uhhhh Jay? Adam? Elrond…marries Galadriels daughter. I really hope you meant kiss METAPHORICALLY otherwise we are dealing with a Mrs. Robinson scenario
Because peter jackson adjusted from the books, the ghost army never enter the pelennor fields to battle in the book, rather aid Aragorn in retaking Pelargir from Corsairs. When Aragorn arrives in the battle of Minas Tirith (with the corsair ships) another army under Prince Imrahil arrives to aid, but not by ship but rather horses. So the movies cut this out and instead of retaking Pelargir the ghosts help in Minas Tirith👍
@@billtaylor9437Maybe because the ghosts agreed to follow Aragorn in order to be freed from their oath, and because Aragorn is forced to take the boat (the horses are gone), not being a ghost himself, they follow him on the boat. And then above all, maybe it is more heroic to see the hero at the head of his troop, and not behind. It is also a cinematic cliché.😊
@@billtaylor9437 the hero is the one who sets an example and not the one who does not share the fate of his troops. That is why politicians who declare wars are not heroes, just like generals. And here, like Sauron is. And it is because he has a heroic character that Aragon then allows himself to do without the instant win button.😊
The music in this show just doesn't hit. It's not mystical or full of heart. It's just typical Hollywood fantasy that promotes zero emotion or stakes. It's a shame Howard Shore didn't compose the entire show rather than only the main title. :/
Despite my disappointment in the show overall there is a lot of good stuff in there but some things and people (like Galadriel) should have remained in the background or unseen. Some bad choices made early on continue to taint the whole show for me. It's not awful, it's just not very Tolkien. It's a good high-fantasy show but a bad adaptation.
This show is completely non-cannon and doesn’t happen in the books. Not a single thing about this show is cannon except for the name of a few characters and places. That’s it. This show is a parody and people should be ashamed of themselves for disrespecting and mutilating Tolkien and supporting it.
Why wouldnt they? Most people dont ACTUALLY hate the show, it's only the deep seeded Tolkien fans that care and the majority of the world doesnt care though. 😂
@@808hearmannxea2 Most of the vocal whiners online aren't even "deep seated Tolkien" fans because they're griping about things in the actual books. Like Orcs having babies. That's just 100% canon.
Right out of the gate, there's a very subtle detail that proves the team behind this show knows their stuff. In a letter by Tolkien to Mrs. Catharine Findlay, who wrote to him asking about the meaning of Galadriel's name, he informed her that it means "Maiden crowned with gleaming hair," but went on to refer to the fact that when Galadriel was younger, in the First and Second Age, "she was then of Amazon disposition and bound up her hair as a crown when taking part in athletic feats." And they have Morfydd Clark's hair "bound up...as a crown" for nearly the entire episode.
Merrimac and the Stoors are sort of Hobbits. There's three real varieties of halfling in Tolkien's Legendarium: three flavors of Hobbit, if you will. There's the Harfoots and the Fallowhides, who are the residents of The Shire when we knows them in the Third Age; and then there's the Stoors - which is what Merrimac is - who are mostly found around the Great River in the Third Age. Smeagol was a Stoor once, before the One Ring corrupted and ruined him. There's a few physiological differences between each of the three varieties, but the Stoors are mostly noted for their larger and flatter hands and feet to allow them to paddle on the river.
You're right, Adam - Jolly Tom Bombadillo is, in fact, something completely else! We just have absolutely no idea what. Tolkien refused to ever clarify what Bombadil is beyond simply saying that "he is." So for 70 years now, people have been arguing about who or what precisely Bombadil is. I, personally, believe he's an embodiment of the Music of the Ainur in Arda helping to keep the natural world in balance - but some people think he's Eru Iluvatar cosplaying as a living being in his creation; others think he's a nature spirit; still others draw comparisons with a leprechaun-type creature from Celtic mythology known for guarding the natural world. But I love Rory Kinnear as Bombadil just from this one episode already: he's so casual about the use of his powers - as Tom is in "Fellowship of the Ring" - and yet refuses to give anything even approaching a specific answer to any question he's given, which is - again - completely in character.
The exhange between The Stranger and Bombadil where he's asking "Is it my task to face Sauron" is just phrased in such a way that it makes me think - more and more - that the Stranger is Gandalf, as if the "follow your nose," "gand," and "Grand-elf" lines weren't enough. Becuase in "Return of the King," Tolkien gives us these paragraphs, of Gandalf speaking to the four Hobbits, about himself and Tom Bombadil:
"I am with you at present,' said Gandalf, 'but soon I shall not be. I am not coming to the Shire. You must settle its affairs yourselves; that is what you have been trained for. Do you not yet understand? My time is over: it is no longer my task to set things to rights, nor help folk do so. And as for you, my dear friends, you will need no help. You are grown up now. Grown indeed very high; among the great you are, and I have no longer any fear at all for any of you.
"'But if you would know, I am turning aside soon. I am going to have a long talk with Bombadil: such a talk as I have not had in all my time. He is a moss gatherer, and I have been a stone doomed to rolling. But my rolling days are ending, and now we shall have much to say to one another.'"
The Barrow Wights being missing from the film trilogy actually has a strange little "butterfly effect." The four Hobbits, of course, got captured by the Barrow Wights in "Fellowship of the Ring," and were rescued by Tom Bombadil - so I love that they're in the same episode here - and they took small daggers from the barrows to use as weapons. Those weapons, as Elrond puts it here "return them to rest," but they - in the context of the Legendarium itself - sever the connection between anything spectral or spiritual and the Unseen Realm, the spiritual plane of existence. So flash-forward several months to the Battle of the Pelennor Fields, when Eowyn of Rohan is standing between the Witch-KIng of Angmar and the critically injured King Theoden. Merry stabs the Witch-King in the leg with his barrow dagger, severing his connection to the Unseen World: and thus allowing Eowyn, moments later, to kill him by stabbing him in the void where his face should be. Because the Barrow Wights and their daggers were missing from the film trilogy, the Witch-King has gone from the terrifying and imposing undead sorcerer he's meant to be as the Lord of the Nazgul... to the personification of hubris in proclaiming "No man can kill me" before instantly getting himself killed by Eowyn, without any of the mystical interference that allowed her to actually be able to do so.
The fact that Adar greeted Galadriel by calling her "Alatariel" is actually a huge wink to the deep lore. Alatariel is Galadriel's name in Telerin, the language of the Teleri - a race of Elves - most of whom settled in Valinor, but several of whom prominently did not. Galadriel's father, Finarfin, was one of the few Noldorian (High) Elves specifically said to have learned to speak Telerin, and he had named his children with Telerin influence. At her birth, she was named "Artanis" by her father - "Noble Woman." She chose "Galadriel" to be her own name because it is the Sindarin (Common) Elvish translation of the Telerin "Alatariel" nickname given to her by Celeborn, her husband, which translates as I quoted Tolkien confirming earlier, "Maiden crowned with gleaming hair." So it seems, with Adar greeting her by "Alatariel," they seem to be highly implying that Adar, before his corruption, may well have known Celeborn.
Wow, that's some incredible background info. Thanks for the post!
Show this to the people claiming they don't respect the lore and watch their brains short circuit 😂
Yeah I think the only bug I have with this show is the presence of Gandalf. I haven't read a lot of the books but from all the resources I've found online I've only heard mention of him arriving in Middle Earth in the Third Age before the Hobbit took place. Wondering if any of that has most to due with other people's ick for the show.
@@brettcoon9773 They've hinted that it's him, but 1. yes, it could be him or 2. it's a misdirect. There have been lots of the color blue, from Nori's robes, the blue scarfs on the scary looking from the east, and Bombadil's coat. Honestly, I think Tom will give The Stranger his coat and BOOM, Blue Wizard.
@brettcoon9773 I did a deep dive on everything Tolkien ever wrote about Olorin - Gandalf's real name - before Season 1, because this theory has been around for awhile. And Tolkien specifically refers to Olorin being in Middle-Earth prior to the Third Age, but as distinct from Gandalf. He was one of the six Maiar sent by the Valar to guard the primordial Elves at Cuivienen after their discovery by Orome, and Tolkien's writings confirm that he took physical form to do so. Tolkien also states in The Silmarillion that Olorin "walked among them unseen, or in form as one of them, and they did not know whence came the fair visions or the promptings of wisdom that he put into their hearts" during the First Age. So there is precedent for Olorin/Gandalf to be active and embodied in Middle-Earth prior to the Third Age. What I suspect is happening in the show is they're taking the original Blue Wizard plot from the 1950s drafts of The Silmarillion, where the Blues were corrupted and fell to evil - leading cults of dark magic in the Far East - in the Third Age; and combining it with Tolkien's later 1970s plot for the Blues, where they were instrumental in resisting Sauron in the Second Age; and making "Gandalf the Blue" to give audiences a familiar character as the "good" Blue Wizard, while the "Dark Wizard" is the other Blue.
Perfect casting for Tom tbh
Hoping they go with him with Hagrid on the new Harry Potter.
Just an FYI the Barrow Wights are early in the LOTR books, the hobbits were caught by them and Tom Bombail is the one who rescued them.
I think when he said they weren’t in the trilogy he was referring to the films not the books.
Ultimately, there is no answer to what Tom Bombadil is. He's not Valar, he's not Mayar, he's not Illuvitar. He was written prior to The Hobbit. It's unclear why Tolkien even included the character in Middle Earth, and even he admitted he never even defined in his mind what he was. Personally, I consider him to be the embodiment of the song that created Arda.
I always saw Tom EXISTING in Lord of the Rings as Tolkien reminding the audience that the world doesn't start and end with Sauron and the one ring and Eru and Morgoth stuff. There are things on Arda that are older and far more incomprehensible - even to the all-knowing elves or the most wise characters within the story - things and beings that are older than knowledge itself and no matter how grand the quest seems to be, this conflict is mostly insignificant to them.
Maybe Tom was the song or maybe Tom was the song before Eru's song - ultimately Tom merely existing within the setting, makes the world feel bigger.
He is The Eldest.
Rory Kinnear is amazing as Tom Bombadil. Poor guy is gonna get fancast as reboot Hagrid for the rest of his life now 🤣
But the west country accent for Tom is simply perfect. He’s just the right combination of whimsy and fierce
@MrCurlykid1 Ah I see you are also a man of culture...
Lore Dump 4/8:
Elrond is Galadriel’s son-in-law, so there probably won’t be a romance between them.
All we really know about Tom Bombadil is that he’s… Tom Bombadil. And incredibly powerful. And old. He’s one of the few things Tolkien doesn’t explain.
The barrow-wights come after Tom Bombadil in the books, before the hobbits get to Bree. In a very horror movie-esque scene, they are captured and about to be sacrificed in an ancient ritual when they’re saved by Tom Bombadil. The barrow-wights are dark spirits bound (by the Witch King) to the dead bodies of the kings of Arnor (Aragorn’s ancestors). Arnor was the northern kingdom of men and Gondor was the southern kingdom.
Fun fact: Gollum was a Stoor. And the Harfoots do found the Shire.
When Adar addresses Galadriel, he uses her elvish name!
PS. If the Dark wizard is Craig, does that mean Pinocchio, the Craig-Slayer will make a cameo?
I do really love Hobbits of different environments. Desert Hobbits, Hobbits on boats (maybe participating in a little spirited piracy), Hobbits in the Hills & Trees. Hobbit homes are wherever the hobbits roam.
The Sûzat is another super deep lore pull, basically the word for Shire based on the Rohirric language
I do love the idea that Eru Illuvatar, the god of LoTR, would decide to enter his world as Tom Bombadil, the chillest dude ever, knowing all of the chaos that Morgoth and Sauron were going to create and just fully not caring.
Morgoth and Sauron doing their thing is all part of the song written at the beginning of time. There's nothing that either can do that wasn't already part of Ilúvatar's creation. This is why they're destined to fail.
I really like the scene at the end with Galadriel fighting the Orcs
Something I need to point out that stuck me as being a helluva coincidence. Tom Bombadil is described as having a blue jacket, and yellow boots. JAY IS WEARING A BLUE SHIRT AND A YELLOW HAT.
Re: Tom - Even his song during the end credits sounds like a Worship song. Its an interpretation of Tom very different from the books but I love it.
Tom does kinda speak in riddles but the sky being dark before the first stars appeared is the least cryptic thing he said. :)
My favorite part about the ent reveal is that they telegraph it the whole time but somehow most people don’t see it coming
Yay! My fave ep of the episode thus far. I don’t even LIKE Bombadil in the books but he was just all of the awesome. Cant wait to see him further
I've always seen Tom Bombadil as a Tolkien version of the Greek god Pan, the god of untamed wilderness. That's why he's forever
Galadriel stole the "Fluffernutter" move.
You can't expect every episode to be action packed
Thank you
I don't think people realise how expensive action set pieces are lol.
I would rather they not explain who Bombadil is, because part of his appeal to me is the mystery that surrounds him.
He didn’t explain anything...?
He’s “just old” and he can whip up some magic, is a friend to all life and never gives real answers to anything because he constantly speaks in rhyme and song.
Exactly what we already knew.
@@Persephone_Personified I'm referring to Jay and Adam asking for explanations about him 🤣Bombadil is perfect so far because they haven't explained anything.
They can’t explain it, and if they do it’s made up. Tolkien never said who he truly was.
Theo is technically the only healer that they have left at peligir now that Bronwyn is dead
In Middle Earth, tree hugs YOU.
I love that basically the old hobbits down south are burrowers like the third age hobbits, but they’re just in the wrong place.
I find the expectation to have action in the early episodes ridiculous.
Stories are told in three acts.
Introduction, middle, and climax.
Everybody knows the climax is where the most action happens.
The show runners said some storylines will only be resolved in the final fifth season. PJs movies had slow storytelling, too. I dont understand this impatience im seeing. Its so insincere and childish. So just be patient and enjoy the ride. It feels sometimes like people forgot how to watch shows. You're not supposed to have everything explained straight away, its okay if you dont know everything right away.
The last 3 episodes will be the big war, for 3 EPISODES. Might be the longest battle in TV history. Including the escalation of the situation in Khazad-dum, Numenor and in the desert with Tom Bombadil.
Other than that, J truly is Tom Bombadil. Or his descendant lol. All that singing has to come from somewhere
It’s cool to see a lot the things that are in LOTRO, especially the Barrow Downs.
Tolkien never did give any full explanation for Tom Bombadill. He was intentionally left mysterious and unexplained, as all great myths require. Although, some have theorized that he is Tolkein himself, inserted into the story.
some even sugested that Tom Bombadil was iluvatar taking on a human form to observe his creation.
the best explanation I've seen so far is that Tom Bombadill is the very first song of creation itself
If we just look at him in the book, he is a dandy gentleman farmer, coat and all, Master of his land, with synthetically bright colors in his clothes/boots. He could be Christopher Robin with his rubber boots, or Paddington Bear. He is like a modern person from Tolkien’s world inserted into his fictional world as a fickle fairy, unaffected by the evil in that world, embodying the idea of descendants of Adam untainted.
@@althelasI like that theory
Glad to hear I'm not the only one dropping DnD references through all the combat scenes in this show lol.
4:07 I thought it was Radaghast, I in no way thought they'd ever include Tom!
up until this point, I have only seen comments and reactions that talks about what they're doing wrong with this show. but there are some interesting facts I read about in your comment section that shone a new light upon it... It gives me cause to reflect.
PRAYING they turn out to be the blue wizards 💀
my guess its saurmam and gandalf but the the blue wizards is probably where its going
Gandalf's Grundle is the name of my Tolkien-themed grindcore metal band.
I loved this episode. The pacing of the show is great in season 2, the whole story is ALL seasons, as they have said some thing will only be resolved in the last season. It´s so funny to me that this show is too clever and advanced for those "Tolkien experts" that hate on this show everywhere in the comments on social media when everything just goes over their heads. The gems of lore in this season that is unknown to those who have not dwelled in The Simarillion that the show is based upon, those people who don´t know that the movies are adaptations too. This season is beautiful. So many metaphores, every shot and lighting say so many things without words. I truly wish all those haters would watch Rings & realms breakdown of each episode on youtube, it´s perfect for those kind of people who miss all those beautiful details on this show and adressing things they don´t understand.
👍👍👍
Before somethings get said. EVERYONE REMEMBER Galadriel is Arwen's grandmother...and Arwen is daughter to who?
big love guys, always appreciate the reactions!~ this was a fun one for me for sure, all hail Tom!!!
...The wonderful Wizard of Rhûn 🎶
Between Heroes Reforged's Harold Elrond and your guys' The Dark Wizard, Craig I'm losing it 🤣🤣🤣
Ah...Just as Craig has foreseen. Excellent!
@3:21 knowing Elrond marries Galadriel’s daughter, this reaction made me 🤢
I like the end of the episode having them part ways so that Elrond can fly on his own.
@6:12 I love the name Poppy, too! It’s known as the flower that grows over graves, life after death. WW2 graves became poppy fields. ❤💐
People have been asking for an explanation of Tom since 1954 🤣 Tolkien´s answer was always "No"
Wow Tom Bombadill,Ents and Barrow Wights in the same episode,action was really cool :)
While we don’t really know for sure with Tom, the most mysterious of all Tolkien’s characters, I think the prevailing wisdom in the fandom is that Tom is Tolkien’s idea of what God is for middle earth
everything Tom say's is an explanation in itself........ he says only what needs to be said.
All hail the dark lord Adam! He demands the sacrifice of justice and lips.
I believe this qualifies as Jay declaring that he is Da Bomb. Da Bombadil.
Can you two please cosplay Tom and The Stranger
Tom is the song of creation it self.
that giant mud worm is a literal 1 for 1 exact copy of the real life BOBBIT WORM!!! look it up!!!
I believe Tom is the first song.
Dark Wizard’s patronus is a goat
The elves had that running montage why not keep running through that grave site? I mean who stops at a dark grave site but runs through nice scenic mountain tops?
Jay is Tom. 🎶 Ole Jay Schmidt is a merry fellow. Bright blue his shirt is and his hat is yellow. 🎶
Please listen to Bombadil's song from the end credits.
Jay Bombadil 👍😎😁
Finally some recompense for skipping Tom Bombadil and the barrow wights from the film trilogy. With an entwife thrown in for good measure. Got to say, I was so looking forward to your reaction to the 'a sort of Grand Elf...' comment, but it never happened... 🙁
Tolkien never gave an explanation of who and what Tom Bombadil is
18:24 I got that! I got that reference…
yeah ok they brought more action just to please Adam...Sure
The Python refs are off the chain Jay
Just how many farts are we talking? Sell me on the farts!
We need Bombadilabunga merch now please.
Tom started the fire!
Galadriel is too proud and too arrogant!
That's her greatest flaw in the books, too.
I know this is a strange hill, but the idea that stars came AFTER planets in the legendarium is just WILD to me. Like it was immersion breaking for a second, for me--which I *know* is so stupid and nitpicky when the world was literally flat for a while (and may be during these events in the show, actually?), but I can't help it. Like, without stars you can't have planets...brain bluescreen for a second.
That would make sense in the real world but Middle Earth was created by beings. The universe in the books was created by music, sang into existence by the Ainur. It wouldn't need to follow real logic.
When Melkor destroyed the two great Lamps Ormal and Iluin and the world became dark again, the Valie Yavanna put all plant life into a deep sleep, the Sleep of Yavanna. After that only Valinor was lit by the light of the Two Trees. But when the trees died and the Valar created the sun and the moon, the long sleep of Yavanna ended.
I mean there are no planets to begin with. As of now the world is indeed still flat so I don't think you can call that a planet.
@SethRGray The world is still flat, yes. Valinor is still perfectly accessible to all boats. The curving of the world and removing of Valinor comes... a bit down the road. Season 4, I'd bet.
You guys have ZERO reaction to Nori talking to the Stoor lady about the “Suzat”! They were talking about the Shire! The “streams of cold water” and “endless green hills” that Rorimas Burrows had a dream about finding but never did!
Tom Bombadil is not Eru Iluvitar (God). He’s Tom Bombadil.
Galadriel is Elrond's mother-in-law. Or will be as soon-ish (if at all in this version). They can make up but there will be no kissing thank you very much!
Also Tom! You know. He really didn't fit in the movies. Seems like a good fit here. Then again this is a alternate telling of the Middle Earth stories.
Also Also Ent-wife! With her Ent-husband it seems.
Ok but why is no one talking about the ENT-WIFE???? As in an ent-wife, that Tree-Beard says were completely lost???!!!???
Bombadill .. wow he looks like you Jay .
I feel Jay is more Bombadil.
Tom Bombadil It's more like Tolkien himself in this world
Uhhhh Jay? Adam? Elrond…marries Galadriels daughter. I really hope you meant kiss METAPHORICALLY otherwise we are dealing with a Mrs. Robinson scenario
I despise Tom. My husband loves him. He is a forbidden topic in our home.
He’s Maiar
Jay would be a knotty pine.
“I need an explanation!” Sorry, you’re not going to get one :)
Why did those stupid ghosts need boats?
Because peter jackson adjusted from the books, the ghost army never enter the pelennor fields to battle in the book, rather aid Aragorn in retaking Pelargir from Corsairs. When Aragorn arrives in the battle of Minas Tirith (with the corsair ships) another army under Prince Imrahil arrives to aid, but not by ship but rather horses. So the movies cut this out and instead of retaking Pelargir the ghosts help in Minas Tirith👍
@lmtgaming8325 still doesn't tell me why ghosts need boats
@@billtaylor9437Maybe because the ghosts agreed to follow Aragorn in order to be freed from their oath, and because Aragorn is forced to take the boat (the horses are gone), not being a ghost himself, they follow him on the boat. And then above all, maybe it is more heroic to see the hero at the head of his troop, and not behind. It is also a cinematic cliché.😊
@youtpfpm6097 there's nothing heroic about pressing an instant win button
@@billtaylor9437 the hero is the one who sets an example and not the one who does not share the fate of his troops. That is why politicians who declare wars are not heroes, just like generals. And here, like Sauron is.
And it is because he has a heroic character that Aragon then allows himself to do without the instant win button.😊
The music in this show just doesn't hit. It's not mystical or full of heart. It's just typical Hollywood fantasy that promotes zero emotion or stakes. It's a shame Howard Shore didn't compose the entire show rather than only the main title. :/
Despite my disappointment in the show overall there is a lot of good stuff in there but some things and people (like Galadriel) should have remained in the background or unseen. Some bad choices made early on continue to taint the whole show for me. It's not awful, it's just not very Tolkien. It's a good high-fantasy show but a bad adaptation.
Yikes
Tom is a Maia; literally the very first Maia to enter the world after the creation.
He isn't, he was never confirmed or implied to be a Maia. All we know is that he is stated to be the oldest being on Middle Earth.
Wait...he is not an inca ? 😂😂😂
This show sucks.
I had more enjoyment watching Threads. About a nuclear blast over Sheffield and the future ramifications to the characters and world.
And you're here why?
This show is completely non-cannon and doesn’t happen in the books. Not a single thing about this show is cannon except for the name of a few characters and places. That’s it. This show is a parody and people should be ashamed of themselves for disrespecting and mutilating Tolkien and supporting it.
What is it like to be a fundamentalist? 😂😂
don't tell me you like that piece of sh... show LMAO... AS minor Tolkien fan....this show is HUGE trash!!!
Fans can be so closed sometimes. It's not for nothing that their name has the same etymology as fanatics.😁
Wait, people are still actually watching this show? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Why wouldnt they? Most people dont ACTUALLY hate the show, it's only the deep seeded Tolkien fans that care and the majority of the world doesnt care though. 😂
I am and I love it! I am no Tolkien knower. I want entertainment and the show gives me that
You people are still clicking on reaction videos just to act like a baby
@@808hearmannxea2 Most of the vocal whiners online aren't even "deep seated Tolkien" fans because they're griping about things in the actual books. Like Orcs having babies. That's just 100% canon.
@@808hearmannxea2 These people are not deep seeded Tolkien fans. They are fans of the movies. Most of them do not know the books very well, if at all.