Epoxy Amounts For Tumblers + What Kind of Epoxy I Use

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  • @sarahbowlen1090
    @sarahbowlen1090 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    This is so helpful! I’d love an entire beginner series/playlist also!

  • @chagnonpamela8811
    @chagnonpamela8811 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you so much for this video. I tried 2 types of epoxy on my glitter tumbler. It was the first time trying epoxy tumbler. Both were crap, it was all bumpy, did not look good, I started over 4 times and I was starting to think that I was the problem or my glitter were. I have seen your video and decided to try alumilite. It saved my last mug. I was on the 2nd coat and it was looking like shit. 3rd coat, alumilite, SAVED. It looks amazing. I am now watching all your tutorials. My project is a ''baby it's cold outside'' with snowflakes peekaboo. I am now confident it's going to look good. You are really the best teacher. Thanks again.

  • @farmboy5069
    @farmboy5069 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very Informative. I always appreciate when you explain the "why" behind what you are doing. I appreiciate the "deep dives" into the info. Please keep them coming. Thanks MUCH!!

  • @danylmccormick9089
    @danylmccormick9089 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I absolutely love your videos! I have taken a few of your designs and made them whilst pushing play and pause and play and pause a million times! Ur videos are super easy to follow!

  • @Chrissy_T85
    @Chrissy_T85 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good morning!!!!! You are an amazing vlogger!!!! I love all of your tutorials!!! Very detailed, but straight to the point!!!! Thank you so much!!!!

  • @nina_love7033
    @nina_love7033 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love that you cater to the beginners too, I struggled with this for a little bit when I first started making cups- I’ll admit sometimes I still struggle and I just mix up however much I think I need then throw the leftovers in a mold or something lol I know DIY epoxy says you can use fast set for the final coat but in my opinion I don’t like it as a final coat it’s not as smooth and shiny as I would like it for the final coat!!

  • @kellyjean4981
    @kellyjean4981 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Jessica, I feel like you read my mind! I was just thinking the other day, how great it would be to have a video JUST like this one! Thank you so much. I’m open to any type of knowledge you are willing to share with us 😁. Have a beautiful weekend

  • @kimclevenger6560
    @kimclevenger6560 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you so much for this video this was extremely helpful! The amazing clear cast plus and the amazing quick coat is exactly what I use and I love it! ❤️

  • @jackiejohnson3399
    @jackiejohnson3399 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you so much for all the wisdom you share. Anytime I have a question you always have the answer. You are amazing!!!!

  • @missygray5429
    @missygray5429 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks Jess. The explanation of the chemical/mechanical bond is helpful, I had never thought about that. Thanks for the difference on ACC+ for final layer.🙌

  • @loracarter7750
    @loracarter7750 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your videos are amazing! I've taken detailed notes so I can tackle my first tumbler! Thank you Thank you Thank you!!

  • @abigailnicholson7634
    @abigailnicholson7634 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Jessica Flynn. I love and adore you sooo much. I needed this so bad. Thanks doll and congrats on everything 💗💓

  • @lisawakabayashi1076
    @lisawakabayashi1076 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for going back to basics on this tute! I am just a beginner and feel sometimes am overwhelmed by all of your beautiful designs! But I will get there, with your help! Thank you!

  • @Theresa914
    @Theresa914 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wonderful video, I sat down to look up this type of information and you had it ready for me. Thank you so much.

  • @sassykins13
    @sassykins13 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes more in depth about rims. I struggle so much. Thanks 😊

  • @loragrant9495
    @loragrant9495 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don't know how I missed this one. I needed this so very much ❤. I would love to see a more indepth. This is so great for a newbie like me.

  • @sharlyncolburn3949
    @sharlyncolburn3949 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you I’ve tried so many different epoxy brands. Always wondered what type you used. Thank you again

  • @mdove3727
    @mdove3727 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why do you have to wait 72hrs? Gold ! This video is gold!

  • @brittles1984
    @brittles1984 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you so much for taking the time out to explain this. I get so frustrated that I haven't perfected the epoxy methods and have also had pitting, and or small bumps. I realize its just because I'm impatient. I always learn something new when watching your videos. Quick Coat from Alumilite is my favorite, and I always use the 10% code!

  • @arliciadorsey
    @arliciadorsey 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    GM
    Wonderful video thank you for sharing. This has answered all my questions. Have a wonderful holiday weekend.

  • @alinamurphy9263
    @alinamurphy9263 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Muffin tops. Oh there's a name for it! My first cups had that and I finally figured how to clear that up. Great video. Thank you.

  • @karenhadden4980
    @karenhadden4980 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you! This is great! I would love to see more in-depth videos!

  • @d8zdly
    @d8zdly 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This video is so helpful and informative! Thank you so much!! (ps. I took notes!) See you in Orlando

  • @lauragrijalva4546
    @lauragrijalva4546 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Information is very helpful. Thank you for sharing! 💕

  • @janel7473
    @janel7473 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you so much for doing this. Very helpful.

  • @becky6069
    @becky6069 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you, Jessica! I was just thinking about this the other day.

  • @teresamasek104
    @teresamasek104 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jessica thank you for this and all your videos. I can't wait for each video to come out. I have a couple of questions: 1) I have been having problems lately with getting all the bubbles out of the epoxy even with the torch. Is there something I'm doing wrong or forgetting? Any suggestions would be helpful. 2) Another issue I'm having is the epoxy looks smooths but when you run your hand around the cup I can feel slight ridges? Can you help me understand why? 3) Can epoxy get old?
    Thank you again for all you share with us.

    • @FlynnSistersBoutique
      @FlynnSistersBoutique  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      1 - what is your work space temp? are you warming your epoxy before application? what kind of torch are you using? do you have a lot of bubbles after you mix in the cup before application?
      2 - at what point are you still feeling "ridges"? which layer? Are you sanding?
      3 - yes epoxy can get old

    • @teresamasek104
      @teresamasek104 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@FlynnSistersBoutique Hello Jessica, thank you for your reply.
      So I keep my room around 75 degrees, I don't warm the epoxy but its usually between 85 and 92 before I starting applying it. I use a kitchen torch. Sometimes I may have a lot of bubbles, but there are times when I will not have any bubbles but still end up with some during application.
      I feel the ridges after all applications, I sand some but seems like it's never enough to get the ridges out.
      I've had my epoxy about 11 months, is that old? Could that be my problem?
      Again thank you so much for your help and your videos. You're awesome.

  • @saial1456
    @saial1456 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Your awesome thank you I have a question I’m a newbie apply so many coats does that make the tumbler heavy?

    • @FlynnSistersBoutique
      @FlynnSistersBoutique  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Your tumbler can get heavy if you apply many thick coats.

  • @sanchezangie13
    @sanchezangie13 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your tutorials are Always helpful to me. It’s that ok to use different brands of epoxy on one tumbler??
    Like using Couter culture Quick set epoxy for the firsts coats and Amazing Alumilite plus for the last coats . Please let me know what you think ❤️😘🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

    • @FlynnSistersBoutique
      @FlynnSistersBoutique  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm so glad. Yes, it is ok to use different brands on each dry layer.

  • @bamagirl234u
    @bamagirl234u 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey to my favorite tumbler maker! I watched your video as my kids were being super loud but I don't think you touched on this subject on a regular (non glitter) tumbler. I'm working on a tumbler for a customer. It's just a flat black photo tumbler. I did 1 med coat for the first coat, sanded lightly after drying & then I did a pretty thick coat for the second coat. I was expecting to need to do more coats (as I always wind up needing for one reason or another) BUT, this tumbler looks perfect right now after 2 generous coats of epoxy. It's smooth & everything is covered well. So my question is... is another coat necessary if I've already achieved the final look??? I don't want to let it go if it really needs another coat for some reason but I don't want to epoxy again if it's not really necessary. What do you think?
    As always... love your work, love your videos, love YOU!!! You're amazing & such an inspiration.
    Btw, your hair looked SUPER CUTE (half up & curled) in the beginning of the video with the first coat of epoxy on that tumbler. ♥️

    • @FlynnSistersBoutique
      @FlynnSistersBoutique  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you. In my experience, non glitter cups need more epoxy because the rim and bottom can chip or rub away if there's not enough. That being said, i dont work with thick layers of epoxy. I always do multiple thin layers.

    • @bamagirl234u
      @bamagirl234u 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Is there a reason you only work with thin layers? Is that just easier for you or is there a quality issue there? Thicker layers seem to be easier for me but if that's a quality issue then I need to stop doing that. Lol. Still learning the dos & donts but I aim for high quality & durability, so if that's a quality issue I definitely need to know that.
      Would you recommend doing more layers on this one?
      It's a 30oz. I used 20ml the first layer & 40ml the second layer (which I had mixed for 2 tumblers but I waited longer than normal to start putting it on the tumbler so it was getting thick & kind of hard to smooth out so I used more epoxy than I planned on using. I thought it was going to be a disaster but after smoothing it out as much as possible & then hitting it with a torch it actually turned out PERFECT looking. (I was shocked! Lol). Do you think thick coats will cause a problem down the road for this tumbler? It dried very nicely. Sorry, so many questions. Lol.

  • @cindyt2311
    @cindyt2311 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love all the info you give. I just started making tumblers. I have made 5 so far. I have been using Nasubi Resin from Amazon. Lately having trouble with it getting a crack look in my final coat and after 3 or 4 days or even longer when I wash them the go dull and loose their shine. Have you used this before? Is it me or the resin? How long before I can wash them?

    • @FlynnSistersBoutique
      @FlynnSistersBoutique  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No, I’ve never used that but this sounds like bad quality epoxy. Stick to more well known brands and I would recommend not purchasing them from Amazon. Mr Nola’s Glitter glass coat epoxy, Alumilite, ccdiy, diy epoxy all reputable brands.

    • @cindyt2311
      @cindyt2311 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@FlynnSistersBoutique Thank you for getting right back to me. I will buy better. Thank you

  • @sanchezangie13
    @sanchezangie13 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One more question 😊 when I use fast set epoxy for glitter tumbler, does it have to be rotating or I could just leave it on drying rack o upside down on my stand for tumblers , thank you so much for your help 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

  • @shannondehm7695
    @shannondehm7695 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes please on more in depth epoxy methods

  • @summerrundblade2423
    @summerrundblade2423 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you so much for sharing with us.

  • @MsJennabird
    @MsJennabird 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Im so happy to hear u do that many layers! I do that many too and everyone i hear says no more than 4 😳

  • @annettecruz3010
    @annettecruz3010 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you Jessica for the video. What I want to ask do you really have to keep part B warm? I saw somewhere where they say it won’t create a lot of bubbles.

    • @FlynnSistersBoutique
      @FlynnSistersBoutique  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I keep both at 70-74 degrees at all times and it’s fine

  • @CarolinaGirlCreationZ
    @CarolinaGirlCreationZ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for being an enabler to this noob to tumbler making! 😂 I just bought some of the quick cast and some of the UV resistant resin. RIP my bank account. 😂😂 Send help. I need that, or a chain and lock around my dang bank account. 😂

    • @FlynnSistersBoutique
      @FlynnSistersBoutique  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lol thank you! I’m happy you found tumbler making! We’re here to help!

  • @flyingkikidesigns
    @flyingkikidesigns 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Did I miss the pare about how much u put after vinyl and sealing ? Great video!

    • @FlynnSistersBoutique
      @FlynnSistersBoutique  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      yeah that's layer 3-5 that we talked about. I've got a chart at the end as well. Thank you

  • @leslieschelling7747
    @leslieschelling7747 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you!! This was a great help

  • @itseunicepark
    @itseunicepark 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome video!! Would I have to wait the 72 hours with other epoxy brands before giving as gifts? Thanks!

    • @FlynnSistersBoutique
      @FlynnSistersBoutique  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah or at least let them know the full cure time before use

    • @itseunicepark
      @itseunicepark 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@FlynnSistersBoutique thank you very much! Appreciate the response!!

  • @queenbee063
    @queenbee063 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great information, as always! Xo Melissa

  • @oliviacheffer7692
    @oliviacheffer7692 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How long should I keep the tumbler spinning for each layer of Expoxy?

    • @FlynnSistersBoutique
      @FlynnSistersBoutique  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It depends on your epoxy. For my artist cure, i recommend 6 hours. My fast cure, 1 hour.

  • @barbking2708
    @barbking2708 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Please please make a smooth chunky glitter video, this was so helpful

  • @lorihoyle2289
    @lorihoyle2289 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jessica, I would love to see a how to video on fixing the "one little bump" on a final coat. I've heard of people using 2000 grit sandpaper and then a polish, but I've never seen a video on it.

  • @geraldineblackwelder7785
    @geraldineblackwelder7785 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Do you ever use Uv resin in tumblers? Why or why not?

    • @FlynnSistersBoutique
      @FlynnSistersBoutique  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I dont ise uv resin on tumblers. For design techniques like snake skin/drsgon scale effect, you would us it to achieve that look but would still need to coat each layet beyong achieving that lookbwith regular 2 part epoxy.

  • @joycepugh5347
    @joycepugh5347 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you very much - it was very helpful

  • @edithrobillard3667
    @edithrobillard3667 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the help. Good info.

  • @Theresa914
    @Theresa914 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have a question. I want to try Alumilite epoxy. If I wanted to buy just one to start with for pens and tumblers, should I choose Alumilite Amazing Clearcast? Time is not an issue at this point and not ready to buy Plus until I find out how the Amazing Clearcast is working for me. I want the clear, super shiny finish you get on your tumblers. Thanks for your time.

    • @FlynnSistersBoutique
      @FlynnSistersBoutique  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Amazing Clear Cast is a great and versatile epoxy that is perfect for someone just starting out!

  • @taramcmillan9315
    @taramcmillan9315 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for the help. Do you have any advice for the chunky glitter. I have a hard time keeping it smooth with that glitter.

  • @angiehollingsworth3990
    @angiehollingsworth3990 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you so much! Great video

  • @aimeebritt8103
    @aimeebritt8103 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have done my first cup and I can’t seem to get a smooth finish. The leopard spots seem to be thick from the glitter and I can’t get enough epoxy on there to get it smooth. I’ve done 5 coats. Is that normal?

  • @martymattoon7231
    @martymattoon7231 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was great.

  • @katilynbell5979
    @katilynbell5979 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I saved this and liked it without watching because I know it’s gonna be good

  • @nikitab717
    @nikitab717 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ooh thank you for this 😍🌟

  • @fatimahuerta1102
    @fatimahuerta1102 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Jessica. Thank You so much for this very informative tutorial. One question: Are you afraid of the more layers of epoxy you apply, the chances are higher that the tumbler will end up with a muffin top or bubble butt?

    • @FlynnSistersBoutique
      @FlynnSistersBoutique  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Only if it’s off balance and you’re applying too thick of layers

  • @richgirl2013
    @richgirl2013 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank for this info🥰🐸

  • @a.w.6907
    @a.w.6907 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Where can I get the thingy you put the arm into sry new to all this and don’t know correct name

    • @FlynnSistersBoutique
      @FlynnSistersBoutique  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The cup turner? I got it from the Boan on Etsy but they’re not selling them anymore 😭 I’m sorry

    • @a.w.6907
      @a.w.6907 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@FlynnSistersBoutique oh ok thanks anyways.

  • @danapettie1490
    @danapettie1490 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Jessica what is the max amount of layers you'll put on a cup?

    • @FlynnSistersBoutique
      @FlynnSistersBoutique  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Probably about 10 is pushing it lol

    • @danapettie1490
      @danapettie1490 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@FlynnSistersBoutique I just did a cup with 8 and thought I was pushing it. 6 is where I try to draw the line. Thank you

  • @marjoriecramer9102
    @marjoriecramer9102 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can you use epoxy on like dollar store plastic cups, or tumblers that are not stainless steel?

    • @FlynnSistersBoutique
      @FlynnSistersBoutique  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes I would use those to practice but plastic tumblers won’t bond as well to the epoxy

    • @marjoriecramer9102
      @marjoriecramer9102 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@FlynnSistersBoutique thanks I love watching your videos.

  • @shelleytrevino45
    @shelleytrevino45 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    PLEASE HELP! I AM VERY NEW TO THIS AND I WAS VERY HAPPY WITH THE WAY MY 2ND TUMBLER WAS TURNING OUT AND AFTER THE LAST COAT OF RESIN, I NOTICED IN THE MORNING THAT THE RESIN BECAME CLOUDY!! IT WENT FROM SHINY AND BEAUTIFUL TO DULL AND CLOUDY!! IS THERE A WAY TO FIX THIS? PLEASE HELP ME!

    • @FlynnSistersBoutique
      @FlynnSistersBoutique  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Is the resin sticky at all? And you’re saying it’s cloudy after it’s cured?

  • @kharissahobbs3036
    @kharissahobbs3036 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have a question. I mod podge a cup and put a thick layer of epoxy over it and its super bumpy. Like the epoxy didn't level out right. I went and did a second coat and it did not level it any more. So should i do a 3rd coat and then sand like crazy or sand like crazy on this second coat?

    • @kharissahobbs3036
      @kharissahobbs3036 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I mod podge and then did the geode effect eith glitter

    • @FlynnSistersBoutique
      @FlynnSistersBoutique  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      When you apply chunky glitter, epoxy method works best to help it lay flat. Then before the first layer of epoxy, give it a good coat of clear spray. That helps keep the epoxy from seeping under the glitter giving you a smoother finish. If it is still very bumpy and you sand, you will sand the color off the glitter.

    • @kharissahobbs3036
      @kharissahobbs3036 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@FlynnSistersBoutique thank you so much girl!

    • @officestaff5170
      @officestaff5170 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@FlynnSistersBoutique would definitely love to see the chunky sanding method you do😍

  • @leticiacavazos1306
    @leticiacavazos1306 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you use polyester glitter or craft glitter ? Which do you prefer and why?? I just realized there was 2 different kinds lol 🤦‍♀️

    • @FlynnSistersBoutique
      @FlynnSistersBoutique  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I use poly glitter from PeachyOliveGlitters.com - flynn10 for 10% off $45 or more :-) I use poly glitter for the sparkle and because it's solvent resistant so it won't bleed or fade under epoxy.

    • @leticiacavazos1306
      @leticiacavazos1306 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@FlynnSistersBoutique Nice, that helps a lot thank you

  • @SamFam3
    @SamFam3 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What did you use for that gold trim around the cheetah

  • @brianaadams8432
    @brianaadams8432 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am struggling so bad with epoxy 😭 I use the same epoxy as you and I have sooo many bubbles on my cups. My house is 70 degrees. I pour equally. I pour the thicker one on top of the thinner, stir for 3 mins, hit with a heat gun for 5 seconds, then let it sit for about 5 mins. I don't understand what I am doing wrong. I'm hoping you can help me! A big please and thank you ❤️

    • @FlynnSistersBoutique
      @FlynnSistersBoutique  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Are you using a propane torch on your cups after you apply the epoxy?

    • @brianaadams8432
      @brianaadams8432 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@FlynnSistersBoutique I havent used a torch. Just a heat gun. Do I need to be using a torch instead?

    • @brianaadams8432
      @brianaadams8432 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@FlynnSistersBoutique And the epoxy I use is actually Amazing Clear Cast. I think was one of the ones you linked? Maybe lol

  • @kylamoriarty6084
    @kylamoriarty6084 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    How do you measure 2.5 evenly? I feel like all the measuring cups start at 20mL

  • @katharinekramer2343
    @katharinekramer2343 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you put part A and part B together and then mix them together or do you have to mix part A by itself and Part B by itself and then mix both parts together?

    • @FlynnSistersBoutique
      @FlynnSistersBoutique  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You don’t mix the separate parts. You’d pour part b then part a over it and mix it

    • @katharinekramer2343
      @katharinekramer2343 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@FlynnSistersBoutique ok thank you so much! The whole time I been mixing part A and then mixing part B and then after I mixed those separately I would then dump part A in a cup and then part B in a cup together and mixed them together. I didn’t know you could put part B and then put part A on top and just mix them like that.

    • @FlynnSistersBoutique
      @FlynnSistersBoutique  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes definitely 😊

    • @katharinekramer2343
      @katharinekramer2343 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@FlynnSistersBoutique omg this is awesome, this will save so much time now. Thank you again! 😊

  • @natbox3522
    @natbox3522 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would love to see you do a distressed American Flag tumbler tutorial

  • @deborahkline25
    @deborahkline25 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you have the measurements on pens?

    • @FlynnSistersBoutique
      @FlynnSistersBoutique  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The epoxy amount?

    • @deborahkline25
      @deborahkline25 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes I’m sorry I’m new to it all I’m trying to find good pen videos and one of the best epoxy’s to use

  • @shelleya75
    @shelleya75 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Do you still stand by this epoxy?