I love my Workmaster 25S. What a versatile machine. Here are my experiences if they may help someone out. If you get one the first thing you need to do is flip the toolbox to the inside of the roll bar or you will break it on a tree branch when mowing. Experience... My tractor handles a 48 inch (yellow) King Kutter tiller very well, it will till almost anything. It pulls a King Kutter middle buster very well. I love the way it mows, and the loader works very well as long as my tiller is on the back. My dealer supports it very well, I had a leaking cylinder and they came to my house to install a new cylinder on my loader for free, no hassle. Has anyone had the lawnmower blades loosen up on you? I've found they need to be tightened with an impact or mine keep loosening up. I have a 50" snowblower from Northern Tool on order for the back of it, anybody have experience with one of those?
Tim, I am a proud owner of an LS MT 125. It's nice you were able to give a review of one. Now if you can just get to test one out. You won't be disappointed.
I looked at everything out there for subcompact TLB For price and Warranty and Reliable Dealerships I went with the New Holland Work Master 25S TLB . I'm 100% Happy with my choice and this thing is a beast for its size .
LS out of South Korea builds LS and imports both to North America. Now I also believe that Fiat builds all the backhoes for them. Fiat also builds backhoes for others as well. The key point is exactly what Tim picked up on " price point". They are all good units just and may be a better or best unit for an application you have and can afford. One could argue all day long on best, The key is what fits your application needs & pocketbook. I am not particularly partial to any colour however, having operated most extensively for a very long time. I would say that application,repetitive tasks and must haves are far mor important that brand and colour.
Nice mini-review I agree with your comment, these are machines with less features or simpler features than some others, and that is one of the reasons why they cost less.--and that is totally fine, not everyone want/need the best of the best regardless $$$
The LS is a working mans tractor. For the price and point I don't believe the other makers can touch it. Yes it lacks the convenience features but it more than makes up for it a price point. I bought my LS MT125 TLB for 15k plus delivered for free 300 miles away from the dealer I bought it from. Also LS has the best warranty on the market. I looked at Deere, Kubota, and the Masseys. For the money there isn't a better option out there. Also the LS has been able to out perform my massey sub compact capacities. I am unsure how it stack up against the deere 1025 but I'm willing to bet it will out perform it as well. Bottom line if you want a tractor that will do the work it will do it where as the other makes will stall out before the MT125.
Thanks for taking a look at the blue brand. I have a New Holland TC25D and it has every feature possible and i love it. I would never buy a work master.
I love my ls mt125 TLB and MMM it has done everything i have asked of it, and that"s been a lot. Plus it was almost 6k cheaper then the 1025R or the 23S
If New Holland still treats you like they did my cousin's old employer in 2015 on there Speedrower 240 windrower... RUN AS FAST AS YOU CAN!!! Even after he lost steering on the road at 20mph and ditched it on the way to the field the day after it was delivered. They would not warranty it. Because New Holland said "it can't do that". Then after finaly replacing the main pump it seemed to fix it. But then at 32hrs on the hour meter the computer would not let him start it... It kept saying "Checking sensors" then "ok to start" like it was suppose to do. But when you turned the key and started it. It shut down and started over again with "checking sensors". After it set in the hay field for 6 months they repossessed it because Bob quit paying the payments and told them to get it off his land. Because, according to New Holland corporate "it is suppose to do that". And there is nothing wrong with it. I would like to know how you're supposed to mow hay with the engine off. THE DEALER WAS TRYING TO GET IT FIXED BUT NEW HOLLAND WOULD NOT LET THEM! They mowed hay around it the rest of the year with a new Case windrower. When they finally repossessed it they had use a crane to load it because it would not stay running long enough to move or even come out of park. I was therefore that. He got rid of everything New Holland in the next 2 years except the small square baler. He only puts about 50 bales a year threw it. So he could not justify buying another one. He still has a Case mower and 2 Massy Ferguson tractors and a Massy Ferguson bailer from the same dealer. And he went to John Deere for 2 Combines the next year. They all were New Holland for 30 years before the Speedrower. Or as Onelonelyfarmer called it the "Norower". Yes, this was the same model he had in 2014. And he has TH-cam videos on his. And New Holland treated him like crap too. And Messic's tried to help him just like Redmond's (our local New Holland dealer) did for Bob. So no New Holland for me. And my favorite color is blue.
Thanks for the discussion on these two tractors. I am checking out the sub-compacts and am leaning towards the 1025. I’m glad to find informative discussion and reviews of the competitor models so I can make an informed decision when the time comes. Thanks!
I have one of these and a JD 1023e, both new. They are similar in most ways, but the Deere has a better hydrostat. The LS hydro fights your leg pressure in high range, especially uphill. The Deere is smooth, consistent and easy, much better on the leg. The Deere is cramped, the LS open and roomy, like my Toyota Sequoia. JD is quieter and overall smoother, especially the hydro. Love them both for who they are, Linda and Janine.
This guy is a John Deere fan no matter what. I have an Ls MT125 that works great. Yeah John Deere might have a few extra comforts but it’s not worth the $7000 I saved buying my LS with the same Yanmar as the Deere.
I wish I was making this up. I would have loved to buy a John Deere. John Deere wanted $24000 Tractor Loader Backhoe and 60 inch mid mount mower...my local LS dealer got me $17000 out the door for the same package. I said Sold!
There are many differences between most of the New Holland and LS models. Many people assume the they are the same, other than this model the others all have differences
Hey Neil question for you. I sat on a larger Kubota at our fair, I think the L series, and the treadle pedal was one piece that rocked back and forth. Can that style be retrofitted to the BX? Why dont they use that on the bx it was awesome
Tim Kind of off topic from the comparison but I would think all of your subscribers would love to see a video of a 1025R being made in Augusta. You are probably the only person JD would allow to video tape the assembly. I am certain their are probably some parts of the assembly that cannot be videotaped to prevent the competition from stealing manufacturing secrets. The video would be similar to Corvette owners watching their car being made. Always enjoy your videos and your passion.
I think you review was pretty fair but would like to add a few things, You are right you need to decide what you need out of your tractor 1st. Me I live in Arizona and will never have a lawn in the desert unless it is artificial turf so no mower deck will be needed(ever) for me. So the strong point of the JD was a non-factor for me. 2nd I do not need anything on the front other than a bucket or my clamp on forks. I have no woods or snow to deal with so really no need to remove the bucket for other stuff, if my needs do change I can add the option. So the Kubatos strongest point of universal attachment again non-factor for me. Yes the fixed position on the 3 point hitch is a nice feature and would like it. I just redid my driveway and with a little practice it isn't bad to get the hang of the level, would love to have but not a deal breaker. The power plant is the same in all 3 tractors, a yanmar 3 cylinder diesel also all 3 have solid rear ends and hydrostat trannys. The LS/NH does have the largest front axle, and from reading the front axle is a weak point on all sub compacts. The LS/NH other than tilt has all the same options, would it be nice to have sure, do I need it? No. So I chose the New Holland WM25S and save over 3k to spend on rear attachments. So far I am perfectly happy. So again find your needs and than find the tractor that fits your needs the best. Tim love the channel keep up the good work and yes being a blue tractor guy I do watch Tony's Tractor Adventure all the time too and love it. Remember everyone no matter what color the tractor we are all ahead of those poor guys with just a shovel.
Dave You are right about the 3pt position it would be nice, but I could not justify the price difference. Tim if you ever get the chance I think the MT125 and the 1025R would make a good comparison video.
@@TractorTimewithTim don't get wrapped up in the haters and naysayers........ just keep doing what your doing and be true to ones self. You know what they say about opinions.......... we all have one.
@@TractorTimewithTim Don't worry about negative people out there, I think there are more of us out here that like the comparisons and don't get caught up in the color as long as it gets the job done.
I had a feeling they were the same tractor. I looked at lots of them and decided on my 2019 GC1723E. I GOT THE 23e because i didn't need a power port or a work light lol. And it makes like 2hp less and as I've heard and read many times you'll never know the difference. Maybe some time i could bring it by so you could do a real world review on one. I know you hate that seat though lol
For the price difference I think I could get off my ass to pull a couple of levers. If you are changing out the attachments several times a day I could understand paying thousands more.
The New Holland sub compact tractors are made by the same company which makes the LS brand. Both of those tractors are nice, but I still like my Deere. I wanted to get a New Holland, but the dealer was too far away for me and I knew that the dealer would have to come and get my tractor if I had problems with it.
Don’t know if it’s been mentioned and the bx you have for comparison is not the backhoe model but one key difference in the bx backhoe at least in recent ones is the quick detach feature. No pins to line up or rust. Honestly I find it even easier to attach and detach the backhoe than the FEL on my bx23s. I actually leave the hoe on unless I need to put a 3ph attachment on or I’m mowing because it’s easier to put the tractor away safely undercover with the expensive backhoe that way and it’s ballast with heavier FEL work. Literally under a minute to attach or detach the backhoe. Of course the easy FEL and backhoe attach & detach is made up for by the pain in you know where of the mid mount mower but I get better every time. Like Neil Messick I am jealous of the FEL attachment to just pick up your MMM but I’m scheming to fabricate something like that on my own for my BX in conjunction with the standard bobcat loader interface... The bottom pin on the hoe just drops into that j hook on the bottom of the tractor and the top clamps clamp around the pins on the tractor after you push them up against the tractor with the hoe boom. Hoses are not ganged like on the FEL but still very easy, it’s basically power beyond... By the way I don’t understand how you break the anti scalp wheels on the BX MMM, they’re built plenty heavy unless you’re hamfisted but I will concede if your dealer sees it a lot it must be a pervasive problem.
I had my Kubota L2501 on a steep hill last week. I was going down the hill and hit a bump. My foot was resting on the heel toe shifter and boom I accidentally floored the accelerator going down hill. Don't catch yourself with your right foot lol.
@@garyprn2000 Hi from what i have been told they are using Kioti backhoe on the LS but Kioti is made by Daedong tractors and they say LS is made by LS Cable in South Korea but they all come from South Korea i have seen some New Holland that looked just like Kioti and now Bobcat is having Kioti or Daedong make them new tractor CT models they look just like my CS model Kioti ! :-)
I agree. Get a backhoe if you can. I regret not getting one but luckily we can always added one on the deere. A sub compact tractor is a garden tractor that dose cross fit haha.
You didn't mention that the ls tractor has the exact same engine that your little green machine uses. And that littler front end loader is actually 5 ft wide which I believe is a little wider then your little green machine
I have an L3902 series kubota that I use for all my major work and have been on the lookout for a better garden tractor for say. Something I can mow with, tow my yard vac, do some snow blowing etc. Some of the run of the mill lawn mower/garden tractors don’t seem to last. I mean engines aren’t too bad but deck pulleys, belts ,tires etc just seem to wear out fast even when serviced regularly….this LS tractor might fit my needs
Great video of LS MT and the New Holland Workmaster this is one of the LS/New Holland clone tractor that's identical across both companies (Workmaster 35 and MT235E are very close to being clone's they also share an LS motor and XJ2025 and Boomer 24 are clone's only the Boomer 24 has a larger hydraulic pump) most of the rest of the New Holland and LS lines are different on hydraulic pump volumes, and motors, loaders and valves, frame looks are similar and electrical equipment on the 2 tractors are the same. Thanks for sharing and doing a blue video 👍.
Wow, this 25 HP subcompact size is getting to be a crowded category! It's good for consumers, lots of choice and lots of competition. The capability of these machines seems to have come ahead in leaps and bounds over the last few years.
Well, I bought a New Holland Workmaster 25S because none of the other dealers in my area would get off their duff to find me a tractor. My New Holland dealer put forth the effort to locate a tractor and the attachments I wanted.
We have two 55 HP LS tractors here on the ranch and we're getting rid of them in the near future. Parts availability on them sucks and dealer support is crappy. I bought 4 oil filters for them last year, 2 to change and 2 spares because they are hard to get. I had to order them and waited two weeks at a cost of $100. I doubt seriously I'd ever consider buying another LS.
I will say Glen does not know what he’s talking about! I have the New Holland 25s, lifts 1000lbs in the bucket, much much more tractor than a garden tractor,. Tim is absolutely right that it’s not necessarily a good transformer tractor, but you see that in the price
Hi Tim. According to the LS website, the hydraulic lift control which the LS MT125 uses is position control. (lstractorusa.com/products/sub-compact/mt1-series/mt125-24.7hp/) On a side note: on Kioti's website, it too lists it's CS2510 subcompact as having position control. However I am aware that website information is not something a person can always take at face value or take to the bank!
Great video Tim. It was a good explanation of both tractors compared to the JD and the BX at the end of the video it shows you and Christie riding around. That has to be a great way to see a show without getting worn out walking.
I know this is a bit late but the Deere 6110 we bought in early 2019 has a single point attachment for the loader. I can't remember if it was standard and I can't tell you how well it works because I don't take the bucket off that beast. I wish that feature was on the 1025 instead.
It's worth mentioning this is the only subcompact with the 4 link ends on the end of the loader that connect the bucket to the curl cylinders. Also is this only subcompact to lift over 1000 lbs at the pin?
Nice comparison video Tim. I think you give the most fair reviews of equipment of anyone I have ever seen or heard. I'm still a Green fan first, and Massey Fergusson second.👍
I have a MF GC1710, overall like it. But gotta say, after watching a few vids of the LS MT125, it's value-packed with handy features which my tractor is missing. Still like the color of my tractor better, though. ;)
Well Tim the LS and Holland go down the same assembly line then towards the end split. My LS tractor is bigger and totally different than that one. My bucket is a skid steer style. My 3 point hitch can be stopped at different levels. I don't have the mower or back hoe but it would have been nice to have. Mine doesn't have the emissions like the newer ones have.
Hey Tim! My 1025R is being delivered this week! : ) Any tips on keeping them from getting all scratched up when clearing lots of brush and small trees, etc? I’ve wondered if pipe insulation or something would keep the loader from getting all scratched up in heavy brush. I’m probably being silly - it IS a tractor and not a sports car…
I’d be curious in you guys reviewing the yanmar 324. Not sure if any are used your area but I’m about 3:hours north east in MI and that’s what a lot of us use. Around here. Please send message if you’d be interested. Or have dealers around you that offer that loader I’d love to hear your review since that’s my main piece of equipment in my landscape company.
Good review. I demonstrated both the New Holland 25s and the John Deere 1025r before purchasing. I really wanted the New Holland to meet my needs as I’m Dutch and thought having a NH would be great. However there was one particular feature that I just couldn’t overlook. The NH 25s shut the motor off every time I got off the seat with no override. I spoke to the salesman and he didn’t know of an override. Now, I’m sure there is an aftermarket fix, however I just found it inconvenient and thought it would be hard on the starter and motor to always have to restart the motor when leaving the seat. It killed the deal for me. But the other issues you mentioned in this review stuck out to me. I was also surprised when I got the bids. The green was about $1000 more and I was willing to pay that for the convince, better engineering and after purchase support I could find for the Green tractor. I felt bad when the salesman called me a few weeks later and I told him I bought a different brand tractor. I mentioned the issues here and what was talked about in the video. He understood and was receptive to the feed back and thanked me for giving the NH a chance. I was impressed with the follow up! Who knows maybe someday I’ll own a NH too! Thanks for the review!
I just purchased the 25s and the motor will stay running as long and the pto is in the rear position and the parking brake is set. Took two days for me to figure this out, as my dealer had no clue
Tim it was nice to see something different on the channel. I love my 1025r but wanted a larger tractor. Couldn't hardly deal with John Deere, I ended up buying a 3140 LS with a cab 12000.00 cheaper than Deere. Your right about some of the comfort features but the LS has been great with the extra savings I kept the 1025r. Great videos, love the channel.
We have a new Holland but it's not the compact like these 2 are its a tc 40d the backhoe attachment is nice but needs a new block in the hydrolic all in all I like the tractor.
I am guessing when you said there are no other single point connectors, you meant on sub-compact tractors. Deere does offer single point connectors on some of their compact and larger tractors.
How's she goin'? Another fair and honest review. I think it was a good point to mention that these units weren't as expensive as the Deere and Kubota and therefore not as well appointed.
@@wkualum3194 , Mike jumped ship and got in bed with Kubota. I thought he would at least make some reference to the RK in comparison from time to time, but it's like the RK's never existed now. That may be some sort of contractual agreement or maybe just some self imposed ethical viewpoint, but it would certainly be helpful. I was considering an RK24 but when I wanted to load the rear tires I was told the RK24 couldn't be loaded, but the soon to be released RK25 could be. I inquired further and RK called me and told me that the RK24 had experienced several axle failures when the tires were loaded so to do so would void the warranty. They do sell a ballast box for the RK24. They went on to tell me that the new RK25 would come with loaded tires and that it was "a totally different animal" than the RK24. I would have gone with an RK25 but while the belly mower decks were available, they were presently unable to get the mid mount gearbox to drive them. I wanted a tractor this Summer so I went with what I could get, the New Holland Workmaster 25S. None of the other dealerships in my area would make any effort to find me a tractor if it wasn't sitting on their lot.
Hey Tim... thinking I may have an important question here. After watching a few other videos, along with talking with my Insurance provider, it has been stated that my Home Owners Insurance will not cover my compact JD, along with it's attachments, if used "off" my property. Basically if I help my neighbors or friends with tractor duties, even traveling down the gravel roadway a hundred feet... MY TRACTOR and any ATTACHMENTS are bit covered. This is crazy... I talked with my salesman at JD today, he told me a story about a guy who mowed his neighbors grassy trail through the woods. The grass built up on top of the mower deck, ended up catching on fire, which ended up catching the tractor on fire... TOTAL LOSS!!! And his Insurance provider stated... "sorry but no coverage off personal property". Can you maybe use you knowledge and find us some answers as to a positive direction for Tractor/Attachments Insurance Coverage... I don't wanna take my tractor anywhere to help out now. Thanks if you can help out with information.
@@TractorTimewithTim Michigan just north of Mishawaka Indiana. I got tractor/attachments coverage today through JD Financial. Was thinking it would be an eye opener for your viewers if you talked about tractor insurance and how most home owners insurance don't cover anything off personal property. Thanks for your reply.
I've been doing research lately as my dad wants to get a sub-compact. I've looked at New Holland, John Deere, Kubota, Kioti, and Massey Ferguson. The New Holland/LS does in fact have the highest lift capabilities for the loader and 3 point hitch. They've got 2 separate hydraulic pumps like you would see on bigger units so you're not sacrificing implement flow for steering, and they have the highest flow rating. They do fall about 1hp short on PTO compared to the others.
Be sure to look beyond raw capacity. The extra features of the big two brands (Deere/Kubota) are very nice, and many find them to be worth the money. Also, evaluate resale value.
Very good question rick. Hard to answer without more info. Probably good for you to join greentractortslk.com and ask your question there. You’ll get the help of a large friendly group.
Pretty much hit the nail on the head with this one. I looked at the work master 25s and it seamed like a solid middle of the road tractor just wasn’t a big enough price gap to justify what your giving up. I actually found the koite to be a very strong contender considering the price which was about 7500 cheaper than the kubota but I didn’t want to deal with the hassle of not having a dealer near me with parts ect.
I have one with a cab and it was still cheaper then a Deere 1025r cab less!!!! all your paying for is a name ! I’ll put that 125 LS against a Deere 1025r ALL DAmN DAy!
I love my Workmaster 25S. What a versatile machine.
Here are my experiences if they may help someone out.
If you get one the first thing you need to do is flip the toolbox to the inside of the roll bar or you will break it on a tree branch when mowing. Experience...
My tractor handles a 48 inch (yellow) King Kutter tiller very well, it will till almost anything. It pulls a King Kutter middle buster very well. I love the way it mows, and the loader works very well as long as my tiller is on the back. My dealer supports it very well, I had a leaking cylinder and they came to my house to install a new cylinder on my loader for free, no hassle. Has anyone had the lawnmower blades loosen up on you? I've found they need to be tightened with an impact or mine keep loosening up. I have a 50" snowblower from Northern Tool on order for the back of it, anybody have experience with one of those?
Tim, I am a proud owner of an LS MT 125. It's nice you were able to give a review of one. Now if you can just get to test one out. You won't be disappointed.
Didn't he drive one a year back ? He was helping a family out and used their tracker.
I don't think most compact tractor owners realize that. The New Holland starts at 25 hp.
@@danielwolf2192 yeah that one was an xj2025 though, so one frame size bigger. I think so anyway
I have a New Holland 25s and I am very happy with it.
I looked at everything out there for subcompact TLB For price and Warranty and Reliable Dealerships I went with the New Holland Work Master 25S TLB . I'm 100% Happy with my choice and this thing is a beast for its size .
LS out of South Korea builds LS and imports both to North America. Now I also believe that Fiat builds all the backhoes for them. Fiat also builds backhoes for others as well. The key point is exactly what Tim picked up on " price point". They are all good units just and may be a better or best unit for an application you have and can afford. One could argue all day long on best, The key is what fits your application needs & pocketbook. I am not particularly partial to any colour however, having operated most extensively for a very long time. I would say that application,repetitive tasks and must haves are far mor important that brand and colour.
Nice mini-review
I agree with your comment, these are machines with less features or simpler features than some others, and that is one of the reasons why they cost less.--and that is totally fine, not everyone want/need the best of the best regardless $$$
I agree but also check on how far you have to travel for any bigger repairs. That and dealerships customer service.
Have you say I have more LS dealers around me than any others
The LS is a working mans tractor. For the price and point I don't believe the other makers can touch it. Yes it lacks the convenience features but it more than makes up for it a price point. I bought my LS MT125 TLB for 15k plus delivered for free 300 miles away from the dealer I bought it from. Also LS has the best warranty on the market. I looked at Deere, Kubota, and the Masseys. For the money there isn't a better option out there. Also the LS has been able to out perform my massey sub compact capacities. I am unsure how it stack up against the deere 1025 but I'm willing to bet it will out perform it as well. Bottom line if you want a tractor that will do the work it will do it where as the other makes will stall out before the MT125.
Thanks for taking a look at the blue brand. I have a New Holland TC25D and it has every feature possible and i love it. I would never buy a work master.
Thank you for all your sacrifices - wet knees and all - for bringing us such informative videos - keep up the good work !!
Ha! Hope you know I was just teasing! :-)
The LS looks like a great little lower cost option.
I love my ls mt125 TLB and MMM it has done everything i have asked of it, and that"s been a lot. Plus it was almost 6k cheaper then the 1025R or the 23S
If New Holland still treats you like they did my cousin's old employer in 2015 on there Speedrower 240 windrower... RUN AS FAST AS YOU CAN!!!
Even after he lost steering on the road at 20mph and ditched it on the way to the field the day after it was delivered. They would not warranty it. Because New Holland said "it can't do that". Then after finaly replacing the main pump it seemed to fix it.
But then at 32hrs on the hour meter the computer would not let him start it... It kept saying "Checking sensors" then "ok to start" like it was suppose to do. But when you turned the key and started it. It shut down and started over again with "checking sensors". After it set in the hay field for 6 months they repossessed it because Bob quit paying the payments and told them to get it off his land. Because, according to New Holland corporate "it is suppose to do that". And there is nothing wrong with it. I would like to know how you're supposed to mow hay with the engine off. THE DEALER WAS TRYING TO GET IT FIXED BUT NEW HOLLAND WOULD NOT LET THEM!
They mowed hay around it the rest of the year with a new Case windrower. When they finally repossessed it they had use a crane to load it because it would not stay running long enough to move or even come out of park. I was therefore that.
He got rid of everything New Holland in the next 2 years except the small square baler. He only puts about 50 bales a year threw it. So he could not justify buying another one. He still has a Case mower and 2 Massy Ferguson tractors and a Massy Ferguson bailer from the same dealer. And he went to John Deere for 2 Combines the next year. They all were New Holland for 30 years before the Speedrower. Or as Onelonelyfarmer called it the "Norower". Yes, this was the same model he had in 2014. And he has TH-cam videos on his. And New Holland treated him like crap too. And Messic's tried to help him just like Redmond's (our local New Holland dealer) did for Bob. So no New Holland for me. And my favorite color is blue.
Thanks for the discussion on these two tractors. I am checking out the sub-compacts and am leaning towards the 1025. I’m glad to find informative discussion and reviews of the competitor models so I can make an informed decision when the time comes. Thanks!
my grandpa has a 2002 newholland tc35 and i love it.
Great video Tim. I love Tony's channel. Thanks for giving him a shout out.
You do a awesome job reviewing these tractors ! I bet it was hard making a video with all those people around .
Hey, get me started talking about tractors, and I forget about anything else! ...just ask Christy! :-)
You have to love those golf carts, especially at that size show. Thanks, TTWT
I have one of these and a JD 1023e, both new. They are similar in most ways, but the Deere has a better hydrostat. The LS hydro fights your leg pressure in high range, especially uphill. The Deere is smooth, consistent and easy, much better on the leg. The Deere is cramped, the LS open and roomy, like my Toyota Sequoia. JD is quieter and overall smoother, especially the hydro. Love them both for who they are, Linda and Janine.
This guy is a John Deere fan no matter what. I have an Ls MT125 that works great. Yeah John Deere might have a few extra comforts but it’s not worth the $7000 I saved buying my LS with the same Yanmar as the Deere.
Certainly not $7000 more.
I wish I was making this up. I would have loved to buy a John Deere. John Deere wanted $24000 Tractor Loader Backhoe and 60 inch mid mount mower...my local LS dealer got me $17000 out the door for the same package. I said Sold!
There are many differences between most of the New Holland and LS models. Many people assume the they are the same, other than this model the others all have differences
Hey Neil question for you. I sat on a larger Kubota at our fair, I think the L series, and the treadle pedal was one piece that rocked back and forth. Can that style be retrofitted to the BX? Why dont they use that on the bx it was awesome
@@pryme2013 Won't go on a BX. Its an electronic pedal, too small to pull mechanical linkages.
@@MessicksEquip okay thanks
Tim
Kind of off topic from the comparison but I would think all of your subscribers would love to see a video of a 1025R being made in Augusta. You are probably the only person JD would allow to video tape the assembly. I am certain their are probably some parts of the assembly that cannot be videotaped to prevent the competition from stealing manufacturing secrets. The video would be similar to Corvette owners watching their car being made. Always enjoy your videos and your passion.
I think you review was pretty fair but would like to add a few things, You are right you need to decide what you need out of your tractor 1st. Me I live in Arizona and will never have a lawn in the desert unless it is artificial turf so no mower deck will be needed(ever) for me. So the strong point of the JD was a non-factor for me. 2nd I do not need anything on the front other than a bucket or my clamp on forks. I have no woods or snow to deal with so really no need to remove the bucket for other stuff, if my needs do change I can add the option. So the Kubatos strongest point of universal attachment again non-factor for me. Yes the fixed position on the 3 point hitch is a nice feature and would like it. I just redid my driveway and with a little practice it isn't bad to get the hang of the level, would love to have but not a deal breaker. The power plant is the same in all 3 tractors, a yanmar 3 cylinder diesel also all 3 have solid rear ends and hydrostat trannys. The LS/NH does have the largest front axle, and from reading the front axle is a weak point on all sub compacts. The LS/NH other than tilt has all the same options, would it be nice to have sure, do I need it? No. So I chose the New Holland WM25S and save over 3k to spend on rear attachments. So far I am perfectly happy. So again find your needs and than find the tractor that fits your needs the best. Tim love the channel keep up the good work and yes being a blue tractor guy I do watch Tony's Tractor Adventure all the time too and love it. Remember everyone no matter what color the tractor we are all ahead of those poor guys with just a shovel.
Good stuff, Dave!
Dave
You are right about the 3pt position it would be nice, but I could not justify the price difference. Tim if you ever get the chance I think the MT125 and the 1025R would make a good comparison video.
Team orange fan boys have dampened my enthusiasm for comparisons...at least for awhile.
@@TractorTimewithTim don't get wrapped up in the haters and naysayers........ just keep doing what your doing and be true to ones self. You know what they say about opinions.......... we all have one.
@@TractorTimewithTim Don't worry about negative people out there, I think there are more of us out here that like the comparisons and don't get caught up in the color as long as it gets the job done.
I had a feeling they were the same tractor. I looked at lots of them and decided on my 2019 GC1723E. I GOT THE 23e because i didn't need a power port or a work light lol. And it makes like 2hp less and as I've heard and read many times you'll never know the difference. Maybe some time i could bring it by so you could do a real world review on one. I know you hate that seat though lol
For the price difference I think I could get off my ass to pull a couple of levers.
If you are changing out the attachments several times a day I could understand paying thousands more.
I would like to purchase a 125. Here in nc. My only issue is I only have a single axle trailer 10x6. Can I use this to transport?
The New Holland sub compact tractors are made by the same company which makes the LS brand. Both of those tractors are nice, but I still like my Deere. I wanted to get a New Holland, but the dealer was too far away for me and I knew that the dealer would have to come and get my tractor if I had problems with it.
Don’t know if it’s been mentioned and the bx you have for comparison is not the backhoe model but one key difference in the bx backhoe at least in recent ones is the quick detach feature. No pins to line up or rust. Honestly I find it even easier to attach and detach the backhoe than the FEL on my bx23s. I actually leave the hoe on unless I need to put a 3ph attachment on or I’m mowing because it’s easier to put the tractor away safely undercover with the expensive backhoe that way and it’s ballast with heavier FEL work. Literally under a minute to attach or detach the backhoe.
Of course the easy FEL and backhoe attach & detach is made up for by the pain in you know where of the mid mount mower but I get better every time. Like Neil Messick I am jealous of the FEL attachment to just pick up your MMM but I’m scheming to fabricate something like that on my own for my BX in conjunction with the standard bobcat loader interface...
The bottom pin on the hoe just drops into that j hook on the bottom of the tractor and the top clamps clamp around the pins on the tractor after you push them up against the tractor with the hoe boom. Hoses are not ganged like on the FEL but still very easy, it’s basically power beyond...
By the way I don’t understand how you break the anti scalp wheels on the BX MMM, they’re built plenty heavy unless you’re hamfisted but I will concede if your dealer sees it a lot it must be a pervasive problem.
Good review. Thanks Tim and Christi!
I like the looks of those little toys 😍thanks for the channel 😁 sorry about your knee 😢
I had my Kubota L2501 on a steep hill last week. I was going down the hill and hit a bump. My foot was resting on the heel toe shifter and boom I accidentally floored the accelerator going down hill. Don't catch yourself with your right foot lol.
Looks like you had fun Tim ! It is funny they use the Kioti backhoe on the LS still a nice little tractor !! Kioti Curt :-)
Kioti CS2410 or, does Kioti use a LS backhoe??? Other than Kubota, several use the same setup.
@@garyprn2000 Hi from what i have been told they are using Kioti backhoe on the LS but Kioti is made by Daedong tractors and they say LS is made by LS Cable in South Korea but they all come from South Korea i have seen some New Holland that looked just like Kioti and now Bobcat is having Kioti or Daedong make them new tractor CT models they look just like my CS model Kioti ! :-)
I agree. Get a backhoe if you can. I regret not getting one but luckily we can always added one on the deere. A sub compact tractor is a garden tractor that dose cross fit haha.
My farther in law use to work for new holland dealerships In Alabama. He left when they started selling Kubota tractor. He’s a ford man only. Lol.
I think new Holland is got the best tractors you can buy
You didn't mention that the ls tractor has the exact same engine that your little green machine uses. And that littler front end loader is actually 5 ft wide which I believe is a little wider then your little green machine
I would like to have a bucket leval indicator.
@@danielwolf2192 add one. Some videos showing how to on Kubota, could do the same to any brand.
Tim... As far as I can find on TH-cam this the ONLY New Holland VS LS comparison video. 🤔
I have an L3902 series kubota that I use for all my major work and have been on the lookout for a better garden tractor for say. Something I can mow with, tow my yard vac, do some snow blowing etc.
Some of the run of the mill lawn mower/garden tractors don’t seem to last. I mean engines aren’t too bad but deck pulleys, belts ,tires etc just seem to wear out fast even when serviced regularly….this LS tractor might fit my needs
Great video of LS MT and the New Holland Workmaster this is one of the LS/New Holland clone tractor that's identical across both companies (Workmaster 35 and MT235E are very close to being clone's they also share an LS motor and XJ2025 and Boomer 24 are clone's only the Boomer 24 has a larger hydraulic pump) most of the rest of the New Holland and LS lines are different on hydraulic pump volumes, and motors, loaders and valves, frame looks are similar and electrical equipment on the 2 tractors are the same. Thanks for sharing and doing a blue video 👍.
Wow, this 25 HP subcompact size is getting to be a crowded category!
It's good for consumers, lots of choice and lots of competition.
The capability of these machines seems to have come ahead in leaps and bounds over the last few years.
Good video Tim! I love my LS XR 4040👍🚜🇺🇸
Is there a mechanical thumb available for the LS MT125?
I dunno.
Plenty of food for thought, looks like a good mower
Oohh you were so close!! When your friend saw the LS tractor, i saw that LS MT5.73! behind you, I was hoping ya would have snuck in a review!😁🥵 lol.
I discovered that a Massey Ferguson model and the 25 hp small frame Kioti have treadle pedals.
Well, I bought a New Holland Workmaster 25S because none of the other dealers in my area would get off their duff to find me a tractor. My New Holland dealer put forth the effort to locate a tractor and the attachments I wanted.
Supplies are tight! Glad you found one.
We have two 55 HP LS tractors here on the ranch and we're getting rid of them in the near future. Parts availability on them sucks and dealer support is crappy. I bought 4 oil filters for them last year, 2 to change and 2 spares because they are hard to get. I had to order them and waited two weeks at a cost of $100. I doubt seriously I'd ever consider buying another LS.
I will say Glen does not know what he’s talking about! I have the New Holland 25s, lifts 1000lbs in the bucket, much much more tractor than a garden tractor,. Tim is absolutely right that it’s not necessarily a good transformer tractor, but you see that in the price
Hi Tim. According to the LS website, the hydraulic lift control which the LS MT125 uses is position control. (lstractorusa.com/products/sub-compact/mt1-series/mt125-24.7hp/)
On a side note: on Kioti's website, it too lists it's CS2510 subcompact as having position control.
However I am aware that website information is not something a person can always take at face value or take to the bank!
I am close to buying a 25s because I like the dealership. Thanks for the scripture, nice touch, I DoD mis Mary and Martha.
Martha still around.
thanks tim for trying out the new holland. I have been wondering how they are.. thanks again
Great video Tim. It was a good explanation of both tractors compared to the JD and the BX at the end of the video it shows you and Christie riding around. That has to be a great way to see a show without getting worn out walking.
Costs a lot to have the golf cart, but it is super fun!
If you look at the serial tag on the new holland in front of the front axle actually says manufactured by LS inc
I know this is a bit late but the Deere 6110 we bought in early 2019 has a single point attachment for the loader. I can't remember if it was standard and I can't tell you how well it works because I don't take the bucket off that beast. I wish that feature was on the 1025 instead.
I cant decide between the mt125 or mt225e. Think I could use the little bit bigger tractor.
Tim Christi thank you never heard of LS New Holland are here but no sub compacts
God Bless
PaK
It's worth mentioning this is the only subcompact with the 4 link ends on the end of the loader that connect the bucket to the curl cylinders. Also is this only subcompact to lift over 1000 lbs at the pin?
Hope it runs i'v seen some video were the tractor was on the trailer more then doing work
I think the new B2601 has the single point loader hydraulics hook up.
Nice comparison video Tim. I think you give the most fair reviews of equipment of anyone I have ever seen or heard. I'm still a Green fan first, and Massey Fergusson second.👍
I have a MF GC1710, overall like it. But gotta say, after watching a few vids of the LS MT125, it's value-packed with handy features which my tractor is missing. Still like the color of my tractor better, though. ;)
Great video
Good 👍 looking tractors 🚜 👌 👍.
Get it they are the best my dad has a 55 horse and oh my gosh is it really good
Did LS or NH (basically the same company, think Ford/Mercury or Chevy/GM) have options available to match the JD or Kubota?
No
@@TractorTimewithTim Wow. Well, at least they can't up sale you!
Well Tim the LS and Holland go down the same assembly line then towards the end split. My LS tractor is bigger and totally different than that one. My bucket is a skid steer style. My 3 point hitch can be stopped at different levels. I don't have the mower or back hoe but it would have been nice to have. Mine doesn't have the emissions like the newer ones have.
JD do the 4 connector block, thought I saw it first on one of your vids..
Good info tho' and of course great camera work too!!
Deere offers the single point on 2038r.
We understand that there will soon be a single point for the 1025r. Not available yet
Anyone knows how much is the ls??
Thank you Tim
Hey Tim! My 1025R is being delivered this week! : )
Any tips on keeping them from getting all scratched up when clearing lots of brush and small trees, etc? I’ve wondered if pipe insulation or something would keep the loader from getting all scratched up in heavy brush. I’m probably being silly - it IS a tractor and not a sports car…
I have no advice. I just let it get scratched.
Wrap some plastic "cardboard" around the arms and secure it with zip ties
I’d be curious in you guys reviewing the yanmar 324. Not sure if any are used your area but I’m about 3:hours north east in MI and that’s what a lot of us use. Around here. Please send message if you’d be interested. Or have dealers around you that offer that loader I’d love to hear your review since that’s my main piece of equipment in my landscape company.
Wish u would of looked at that Bigger LS behind that smaller one
Good review. I demonstrated both the New Holland 25s and the John Deere 1025r before purchasing. I really wanted the New Holland to meet my needs as I’m Dutch and thought having a NH would be great. However there was one particular feature that I just couldn’t overlook. The NH 25s shut the motor off every time I got off the seat with no override. I spoke to the salesman and he didn’t know of an override. Now, I’m sure there is an aftermarket fix, however I just found it inconvenient and thought it would be hard on the starter and motor to always have to restart the motor when leaving the seat. It killed the deal for me. But the other issues you mentioned in this review stuck out to me. I was also surprised when I got the bids. The green was about $1000 more and I was willing to pay that for the convince, better engineering and after purchase support I could find for the Green tractor. I felt bad when the salesman called me a few weeks later and I told him I bought a different brand tractor. I mentioned the issues here and what was talked about in the video. He understood and was receptive to the feed back and thanked me for giving the NH a chance. I was impressed with the follow up! Who knows maybe someday I’ll own a NH too! Thanks for the review!
I just purchased the 25s and the motor will stay running as long and the pto is in the rear position and the parking brake is set. Took two days for me to figure this out, as my dealer had no clue
It's in the manual how to do it. Put drive in N and put on parking brake.
Garden VS Compact looks similar. Just like a Lawn tractor VS Garden tractor. If you look beyond the sheet metal there is a big difference.
Tim it was nice to see something different on the channel. I love my 1025r but wanted a larger tractor. Couldn't hardly deal with John Deere, I ended up buying a 3140 LS with a cab 12000.00 cheaper than Deere. Your right about some of the comfort features but the LS has been great with the extra savings I kept the 1025r. Great videos, love the channel.
I thought he was going to mention the JD 400 had a loader and backhoe available when it was new.
What a show .are you ever heard of agritechnica?the world largest agriculure show ?its in hanover germany this year in november.
Nice video 👍
We have a new Holland but it's not the compact like these 2 are its a tc 40d the backhoe attachment is nice but needs a new block in the hydrolic all in all I like the tractor.
Great video!
I am guessing when you said there are no other single point connectors, you meant on sub-compact tractors. Deere does offer single point connectors on some of their compact and larger tractors.
Yes, Ken. I have the single point on the 2038r
How's she goin'? Another fair and honest review. I think it was a good point to mention that these units weren't as expensive as the Deere and Kubota and therefore not as well appointed.
Have you seen the new compact tractor from bobcat
Only in pictures.
We all know u named Vinny after me you saw my name and was like hey that’s a good name
Am I right ?
Wish you could compare the rk24 to a 1025 John Deere
I’ll leave the RK to Mike Morgan.
Mike doesn’t use the RK24 much. I think it’s more similar size to the 1025R than the BX. Would be a good comparison
Very unlikely that you will ever see me on an RK.
@@TractorTimewithTim I know Mike likes his RK's but I only trust guys from Indiana. ;)
@@wkualum3194 , Mike jumped ship and got in bed with Kubota. I thought he would at least make some reference to the RK in comparison from time to time, but it's like the RK's never existed now. That may be some sort of contractual agreement or maybe just some self imposed ethical viewpoint, but it would certainly be helpful. I was considering an RK24 but when I wanted to load the rear tires I was told the RK24 couldn't be loaded, but the soon to be released RK25 could be. I inquired further and RK called me and told me that the RK24 had experienced several axle failures when the tires were loaded so to do so would void the warranty. They do sell a ballast box for the RK24. They went on to tell me that the new RK25 would come with loaded tires and that it was "a totally different animal" than the RK24. I would have gone with an RK25 but while the belly mower decks were available, they were presently unable to get the mid mount gearbox to drive them. I wanted a tractor this Summer so I went with what I could get, the New Holland Workmaster 25S. None of the other dealerships in my area would make any effort to find me a tractor if it wasn't sitting on their lot.
looks like there is going to be a new competitor on the market soon. Bobcat.
It's a rebranded kioti.
Hey Tim... thinking I may have an important question here. After watching a few other videos, along with talking with my Insurance provider, it has been stated that my Home Owners Insurance will not cover my compact JD, along with it's attachments, if used "off" my property. Basically if I help my neighbors or friends with tractor duties, even traveling down the gravel roadway a hundred feet... MY TRACTOR and any ATTACHMENTS are bit covered. This is crazy... I talked with my salesman at JD today, he told me a story about a guy who mowed his neighbors grassy trail through the woods. The grass built up on top of the mower deck, ended up catching on fire, which ended up catching the tractor on fire... TOTAL LOSS!!!
And his Insurance provider stated... "sorry but no coverage off personal property". Can you maybe use you knowledge and find us some answers as to a positive direction for Tractor/Attachments Insurance Coverage... I don't wanna take my tractor anywhere to help out now. Thanks if you can help out with information.
Yes. I might be able to help. What state do you live in?
@@TractorTimewithTim Michigan just north of Mishawaka Indiana. I got tractor/attachments coverage today through JD Financial. Was thinking it would be an eye opener for your viewers if you talked about tractor insurance and how most home owners insurance don't cover anything off personal property. Thanks for your reply.
Yes, wish you had let me know before you boug the JD Financial insurance. I 'have a guy....' :-)
What do you mean it's not as good of a transformer tractor?
Attachments not as easy to attach and remove as the Deere and Kubota.
I've been doing research lately as my dad wants to get a sub-compact. I've looked at New Holland, John Deere, Kubota, Kioti, and Massey Ferguson. The New Holland/LS does in fact have the highest lift capabilities for the loader and 3 point hitch. They've got 2 separate hydraulic pumps like you would see on bigger units so you're not sacrificing implement flow for steering, and they have the highest flow rating. They do fall about 1hp short on PTO compared to the others.
Be sure to look beyond raw capacity. The extra features of the big two brands (Deere/Kubota) are very nice, and many find them to be worth the money. Also, evaluate resale value.
I saw the blue tractor and thought toney.
Tim, are the LS/New Holland diesel or gas? I would guess diesel.
Yes, all subcompacts are diesel.
I’m just a guy who recently bought 30 acres, simply wondering what a good tractor would be for that. Not really knowing much about them ???
Very good question rick. Hard to answer without more info. Probably good for you to join greentractortslk.com and ask your question there. You’ll get the help of a large friendly group.
They’re identical because LS makes the new holland. All that’s different is the body work and the paint
Not bad for a tractor when you take into consideration that a Deere will cost you about $10000.00 more in Canada.
Was that on in carlow
Farm progress show. Decatur Illinois
Pretty much hit the nail on the head with this one. I looked at the work master 25s and it seamed like a solid middle of the road tractor just wasn’t a big enough price gap to justify what your giving up. I actually found the koite to be a very strong contender considering the price which was about 7500 cheaper than the kubota but I didn’t want to deal with the hassle of not having a dealer near me with parts ect.
Other than being blue that’s about it.
Test the rural king tractors , seem good for the $$$$$
We’ll leave the RK to Mike Morgan. Unlikely you’ll see an RK on this channel.
Not sure but I think RK tractors are TYM rebranded
Don't like the "way" you said that. If you're gonna be fair, then check out the RK 24.
I have one with a cab and it was still cheaper then a Deere 1025r cab less!!!! all your paying for is a name ! I’ll put that 125 LS against a Deere 1025r ALL DAmN DAy!
I wouldn’t buy a. John Deere. Based. On the fact that u support them. My. Tractor god Tim.