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- Description This is a Jam Handy / Chevy filmstrip comparing the Corvair 95 vans and pickups to the Ford Econoline and the VW Volkswagen vans . It is titled : The Right Price"
Of course it is Chevrolet biased.
It is dated 1960 but is about the 61s - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
I'm a Corvair guy and I've owned a Corvan and have a bunch of friends with Corvair vans and pickups. BUT one thing they avoided is that the Ford Econoline trucks have a tailgate more than 48" wide, Corvair tailgate is less than 44" wide, you can't slide a 48" sheet of plywood or drywall in the back of a Corvair. Similar problem with the Corvan vs the Econoline van. This was the main complaint I heard from contractors back in the day. They also failed to mention the VW pickup had drop sides to turn it into a flatbed when they compared side load height and they didn't even look at the VW double cab pickup.
If Corvair had used a 48+" tailgate and offered a double cab option, they might have done a little better.
When I was in college about 40 years ago my step-dad and I started a little janitorial service for extra $$. We picked up a 1965 Ford Econoline Van. It was great and easy to work on. We drove it into the ground and it paid for itself many times over.
I'm old enough to remember all of them.
My first car was a '61 VW van, (with original 36hp engine) purchased in 1967 and traded in 1970 for a new VW/Sportsmobile camper. Loved them both. Same for the next 2 cars I owned (last was a 1979 VW van I drove for 22 years)
The Ford I6 170 ci was a great engine. Ideally suited to a small work van. The Corvair engine was..interesting. Don't get me started on the 1500 cc VW engine.
I drove Ford Econoline's for many hundreds of thousands of miles if no a million miles between the 5 or 6 Vans I owned with no appreciable breakdowns. I drove a Corvan with 5000 miles on it and ended up with warped valves!
Wow, they're really digging with some of these comparisons.
Yeah like comparing tire rpms
That's the job of the marketing group. Even if it means spewing nonsense. I'm betting nobody, anywhere, EVER looked into these 'statistics' to validate them.
I'm sold! I'll take one of each.
Back in 1970 , my Father bought a Mid 60's Ford Econoline , from an auction at Bell Telephone . He used it for his business and the thing was bullet proof. 3 speed manual trans with a straight six. It never broke down , ever. Then He decided to buy a GMC Van in 1975 and it constantly broke down. Sometimes Simple is better.
I remember those Bell Telephone service vans! They were painted institutional green and white with the big Bell logo on the side.
1:50
Chevy: ”that is no illusion”
*shows an optical illusion of the van breaking the plane of the photo”
Love my 61 Ford Econoline Truck!
reminds me of elementary school filmstrips with the beep, to remind the projector to switch pictures.i forgot about that.
Ok ok, you've sold me,
I want a Corvan........now.
9:20 'Turn the record'...awesome.
I’ve done that in school as a kid! Anyone else given the awesome responsibility of running a filmstrip?! 🤣👌🏼
I love that old format!!!
They made alot of good points on the corvair 95.
Fuel economy , overall length , ground clearance, sticker price and the sheer uglyness of the '95 compared to the VW were things that weren't mentioned.
they say " the corvairs engine was designed specifically for the van " but it was not it was designed forthe corvair car . the car model came out a year before the van
To be fair, we don't know a behind the scenes development timeline. That and release dates can be independent of each other.
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I'll take the Econoline pickup
Going back to the headlights-the Econoline has those grilles because that's where the heater/defroster intakes are located.
Ok, I'm sold. I'll take the Corvair van, with a roof top ladder rack😂
Man, wouldn't that freak people out seeing a CorVan pull up today all decked out as a service truck.
Hmmm🤔
Go for it if love to see it!
Man. I wish my dad had kept that 65 vw camper van we had when I was a kid...
Good stuff, try as they may the Corvair truck line never sold very well for a reason not mentioned in the training film, and that was you could not load it or unload it from the rear due to the engine cover. The Volkswagen was no better at this and sold few pickups here, the Corvans were dropped after 1966 and replaced by a Chevy copy of the Econoline which was made out of Chevy II parts.
+proofbox Yep> my dad traded in his 1959 VW Bus for a "SuperVan" because of that huge flat floor (and he blew the VW engine by running it out of oil). The Corvan had the same problem: the engine blocked the back of the van where most workers used them.
Yep I was going to point out that the Corvan design was so darn superior that they made it a few years and then dropped it for a copy of the Econoline, or did they Copy the Dodge A100 or A 108? And bragging about swing axles? They redesigned the Corvair in 1965 to eliminate swing axles and the swing axles were one of the features that Ralph Nader found objectionable in the original Corvair design. It's not that I don't like the Corvair van, they're unusual and kind of funky and I like that but they were a flop and GM switched to a more conventional van rather than making any effort to further develop the Corvair vans. GM came out with the Turbo Hydramatic 425 transmission in 1966 and eventually used that transmission in Motor homes, I think they missed an opportunity in not developing a front drive van/window van using the TH425 Transmission where they only thing they'd have to keep under the floor would be the exhaust system and the fuel tank and with some creative packaging and IRS could of kept a low floor height and center of gravity and maybe even offered a high top van with standing room cargo space
@@fk4515 ... that would be the TH 400 trans, not TH 425. Doing a little research, the Corvair trucks were slated to have IRS in 1966, (through 1969) same as the cars, but Chevy pulled the plug in favor of the conventional driveline cargo van so never made the 1966 version Corvair. The conventional van had the low rear floor so was favored at loading docks. I had the pleasure to park my Corvair van next to a shorty conventional 1964 van last summer and I was amazed that the Corvair van was about 18" longer. Both vans had the identical dashboard and steering wheel.
@@rupe53 Nope the TH400 was the new rear wheel drive in '65 for the senior cars, the TH425 was an adaptation of the TH400 for front drive first used in the Oldsmobile Toronado in 1966 and the Cadillac Eldorado in 1967. If I remember correctly that was the same basic transmission they used in all front drive E bodies until they went to a transverse engine
@@fk4515 ... Thanks for the heads up. I had completely forgotten about that beast even though I did a few transplants back in the day!
I wouldn't want to change that uni-belt on the Corvan.
You'd get used to it. You'd be changing it a lot. My dad had one in the late 60's and got rid of it primarily because he was sick of replacing and/or adjusting that stupid belt, and he owned an auto parts store!
@@Rico_G The belt is easy to change, especially compared to the Econoline. All it takes is a 9/16 socket on 1 bolt.Your dad was likely putting the belt on too tight, which was a common problem. The proper belt tension is actually looser than you'd expect; less than a typical automotive V-belt of the day. People would crank them down too tight, which causes them to get thrown off.
@@kw9849 There was no Internet 50 years ago. No one knew that except the Chevy dealer service dept. Your broadband knowledge does not impress anyone and thanks for insulting my dead father, dipshit.
@@Rico_G You've got some issues to work through if you think your father was that infallable. People make mistakes. Anyone in the last 50 years halfway familiar with the Corvair engine could tell you the proper tension, no internet required. That said, the reason this was an issue in the first place was the fact Chevrolet was vague about what the actual tension was: the owners manual simply says "tension and tighten" .
@@Rico_G he said that it was a common problem. How is that insulting?
The Ford and Corvair models were the US response to the VW van, which was the first box on wheels sold in America. There had been panel trucks previously, but those were bigger.
But there were also "Sedan Deliveries" which were a panel truck based on a 2 door station wagon. The VW bus was more useful than the average sedan delivery unless you wanted to tow something, liked to crash into things and placed a high importance in not catching fire, if those were important to you then a Sedan Delivery or 1/2 ton based panel van was a better deal.
Thank You!
The guy sold me!!!....I want one...:)
shadetree chevy me to
I want all three
We had two corvair 95 vans new. Too many problems. Went to Econolines and ran them into the ground for 40 years.
Please turn the record over!!
Haha! I drive a Barkas B1000😂 The Engine weight is insignificant because it’s a 3 cylinder two stroke…. Has more space in the back than any of these 3 vans. But it has a hill indicator… as soon as there is a hill in the far distance it’ll start slowing down😂
They glossed over the fact that the engine and transaxle had to come down just to get a look at the spark plugs. This was back when plugs were due every 10k miles or so.
+Kevin That is not true...engine top cover comes off inside back swing doors..you can change the plugs in less than half an hour. I have 2 of them (Corvans) so I do know. I actually like the Econolines and the VWs too. Not trying to be a smart guy....I'll send you a picture of the engine cover off.
+Poncho389 Thanks for correcting me. Yes please send a picture.
+Kevin you could get at the engine from above, but you had to unscrew an access cover. Not convenient if the vehicle has a load in it at the time.
+Kevin My dad had a "Supervan" version, and working on it was a piece of cake. If anything difficult needed to be done the engine cover unbolted from the floor and the engine was sitting right there to work on, even in the rain. I could put in plugs, points, filters and belts in 45 minutes.
As much as I respect the Volkswagen Van, it can be said that the Corvair 95 was a greatly improved version of the same concept.
Except in quality. The vw was much better made
The "Greatly Improved" statement is open for debate, the Corvair engine had some issues and much past 20,000-25,000 miles leaked oil worse than the VWs and had chronic issues of getting hot and the valve seats coming loose. GM copied the VW Type II, too bad they didn't run it 3 generations as it usually takes GM about 3 generations to work the bugs out.
Both neat, but I just love the face on the ford! All of thier trucks from this era, small or huge, shared this face...even when very young, I knew when a ford truck was coming up the street...also it's hard to kill the i6...
The Cor van does not have a flat floor as it has a windmill in the way. As does the VW. While not agreeing with a lot of this the VW is No3. No power awkward load area and uncomfortable at best.
I drove one, a 1500 ute though for a few months for where I was working. Spent most of the time in third gear to go anywhere. That with a 1/4 tonne on board. I would hate to drive it heavily loaded. And the engine was in the way so often. It did however have dropsides both sides.
The 6cyl Falcon motor in the Ford while not a ball of fire would be probably the most practical. Though the length again was in the cargo area. And is the way commercial vans are still built.
Here in Oz we had Holden Falcon and Valiant passenger based utes and vans. All nominally half ton load but most carried double that!! And this right up to last year. There was 1 ton variations built since 71 on some.. They drive like a car, handle almost like a car and are comfortable to get in and out. Better than the Jap truck type utes though they have got better. Though recently got out of a 14 Hilux 2wd into my 10 Falcon ute and no comparison. Both base models with a few extras. And both with the same capacity. The Falcon has a bigger and lower tray
Ah but if you went with a Dodge A series van you got the slant six! a little more power than the Falcon engine, if you got those in Oz
Jeep also had a FC (Forward Control) truck line from late 1956 (1957 model year) to 1964.
I USED TO OWN A 61' VW "TRANSPORTER"❣️
I do not want to be in a front end collision in any of them. Might as well be on a motorcycle!
On a rainy night on a secluded road out side of Chicago in the mid 60's, my father came upon an accident between a car and a van of this type. The people in the car were quite banged up but otherwise ok. The guy in the van was very badly injured. His legs were crushed and pushed up under the seat, his face split open and covered with blood. Dad was told another motorist had gone for help so he did what he could for the trapped man.
This was before the jaws of life. When help arrived it took well over an hour to cut the man out. Dad never found out what became of the man.
@@johnossendorf9979 I think the VW manual stated that 'if a head on collision was immanent driver and passenger should lift their legs up ' not sure how your supposed to brake with your feet in the air though.
On the weight distribution wouldnt you want most of your weight shift towards rear like econoline ie for snowy weather, rainy days? More traction?
Shizam id take anyone of these vans nowadays, but that Corvan I have been digging since i got my DL in 1974 never owned any of these vans but did have a 65 Corvair sitting on a stretched CJ2 frame with a Ford pinto motor in it, liked the 4x4 frankencar so much that I found a another Monza was a very cool car in the late 80s and I dont really remember what I paid for it but im sure it was under 800 bucks that was my MO buy a beater fix it up and then drive it before the CocoaBeach curse ate it up.
Well the vw is still a classic vs the corvair which is less so. But the van thats not mentionedis the 63 Dodge van
Ah the Dodge A100 a Mix Between a Econoline a VW Bus and a Bit of Corvan at least thats my Opinion
Chrysler's slant 6 kicks the ass of all those other van power plants
is'nt it something the way they go on about the advantages of rear engine yet they dropped the designed for a design like the ford . i guess they were tired of losing sales
Was way more to it. I'm sure you are aware of Ralph Nader. The corvair as a concept was doomed after that.
Nader ruined rear engines
@@themagicboy6548 Glad that douchebag never became President.
The madmen cast
A few years later GM dropped this van and built a copy of the Ford out of Chevy II parts. The Chevy II was itself a copy of the Falcon.
Dodge A100 is crying in the background.
I'd take any of these if I had the cash. This includes the Dodge and Jeep versions.
I actually know a guy who lives less than a mile from me who owns a jeep fc
"The Jam Handy Organization reminds you to keep your preserves conveniently positioned" - MST3K
I had both Chevy & Ford (63) vans...enjoyed the ride of the Chevy better and the road noise was less than the Ford. I still thought the Ford van was better looking, even with the extended body(in 64 or 65). My 63 had baby moons, beauty rings, was white, and I installed red marker lights on the sides. The seating was better in the Chevy, if I remember correctly. All the Fords I saw were rusted out but the Chevys weren’t. Hmmm!😳
My buddy had one of the early econoline pickups, it was definitely well used had been a follow me truck on an AF base but it was such a cool rig! It was rusty when we got it running out of the junkyard. We surfed all day everyday after work and that thing kept going full of salt, sand, cases of beer, fish and boards. Till one day the doors just fell off, unfortunately I had driven it up to the local police station to get the owner out of jail when that happened haha.
@@deepbludude4697 🇺🇸 They we’re quite cool!😎 Now that’s an unusual story! Right at the police station! Hope that you still fixed it.They we’re such cool little trucks. Wish I had mine still or even another one. Good times! 🥰🤩✌️
If straight axles are so bad, and fatiguing, why do over the road tractors still use them?
They are VERY strong and there's no real concern about handling.
Ford's Econoline destroyed the Chevy Corvair vans in sales.
What about Chevys regular, non corvair vans/trucks?
With good reason
and diamonds are more valuable than coal.
@@mjbaiamonte Diamonds actually aren't worth much at all. Clever marketing and tightly limited production by what amounts to a cartel are what make them expensive. But expensive and valuable are not the same thing.
Coal, at least, can be burned to provide heat. All diamonds do is look purty.
I'm glad I chose the VW van.
The University of Oregon had a fleet of Corvair vans for their garden crew. My dad was a professor at Oregon and tried many times to get them to sell him one. He never succeeded. Sure, they shared the swing axle setup with the much-maligned earlier version of Corvairs, but their much better weight distribution resulted in little to no oversteer conditions. Oversteering and swing axle setup and nothing in the suspension limiting downward movement of the axle halfshafts were what caused the infamous flipping over of the vehicles. It's too bad they didn't stick with the vans into the 65-69 years, when the entire lineup had much improved handling from double U joint rear axles.
The Corvair was replace by the Vaga,and the Vaga was replace by the Chevet.
The Corvair was the best body of all of them.
It is a shame that GM does not bring back the Corvair with front wheel drive.
Why would you want a Corvair to be a front wheel drive???
That would be one awkward turd. A terrible idea that would defeat most of the purposes behind the Corvair design.
@@jamesmooney2808 GM already has enough small FWD cars that aren't selling, why add another one? The Sonic is probably the BEST small car, to date, that GM (thanks to Germany & Korea) has built, but it too is getting axed this year because of poor sales. Everybody WANTS trucks and SUVs/CUVs and EVs, The Orion, Michigan plant will be converted to produce some exciting EVs!
@@1SqueakyWheel Well, it would be "safer" for the AVERAGE driver because of under steer instead of over steer!
@@TheOzthewiz while I can't disagree on that technical point, I maintain that it would completely defeat the point of the Corvair's existence.
Besides.... more people should learn dynamic safe driving rather than passive safety, relying on the car to overcome all the driver's glaring shortcomings.
Too many licensed drivers out there who have no business behind the wheel of anything larger than a 3 wheeled bicycle.
But if you really wanna talk about oversteer.. try it with a whole air-cooled V8 behind your transaxle, like in the Tatra, aka "The Nazi Killer" lol.
The corvair is great until its 10 degrees outside Has one of the worst heaters known to man
That's because it doesn't have a heater.
Just like the old Volkswagens, the heater is really just a byproduct of a rather inefficient engine cooler.
The Corvair has better heaters than modern cars. The CORVANS lack heat. Do some research bud
@@colearmas6540 ... I still drive my Corvan and must say the heater is way better than the VW van but lacks when the temp falls close to freezing. It will eventually get to "ok" status after 10 - 20 miles but I seldom go that far in cold weather.
I can't speak for the Corvan, but I bought a (NEW) '61 Corvair Monza in Jan, 61, was sitting on the lot when I bought it. It was SO cold, that the car had to be jump started, after runing for about 5 min, the interior was almost TOO warm! It was like night and day after owning a '56 Type 1 VW, where your feet would freeze due to the COLD floor board when doing highway driving!
@@1SqueakyWheel WRONG! The heater in the Corvair put out REAL heat, the bigger engine just plain put out MORE heat along with an electric fan to move the air. I owned A '56 VW and a '61 Corvair Monza. The Corvair, with the engine warmed up, the heater would almost drive you out of the car, even at -10degrees below zero, while in the VW , you were LUCKY to get luke warm air if you got the engine to rev!
FOR SOME REASON?I LIKE THE FORD🤷♂️
"The Mystery Machine" from Scooby-Doo!
Well I'm sold. Give me a Corvair truck please.
sure looks to me like the load is drawn in post at 12:02
i want a ramp side just no room for one ,,
Most likely a side ramp wouldn't pass today's NHTSA side impact and rollover standards.
what dealer is selling? these I want one. Can I get one with a 6.2 L
j Eber, the infamous "LS swap" thingie... It would turn those vans (had boxer 6's back then) into the SERIOUSLY REAR HEAVY category, as its' engine was on the rear beneath the floor, like the VW of that era (they used boxer 4's on those Kombis). Also you couldn't carry anything on the rear as V8's wouldn't fit in the rear hood.
Did they forget Dodge made a COE also?
DesertDigger1 yes, but that was not modern, 1941
@@hypnotised-clover I think Desert Digger! is talking about the Dodge A100 series pickups. Like Bill Golden's "Little Red Wagon" wheel stander
Lots of propaganda in this video..... Laughable!!!!!!!!
Remember this slideshow was a MARKETING TOOL paid for by GM to sell their products, so OF COURSE...
It is what it is designed to be. That's what advertising is.
It's an advertisement of course there is.
7:50 ........................... Yeah, I want to see how long that ramp door paint will last on the top outer skin if they use it load from a sidewalk. They'd better put a rubber mat under it or the edge will get all chewed up.
Chuck Ster
... the Corvair truck had both a durable edge and rubber bumpers on that side ramp.
@@rupe53
LOL! I'm not laughing at you, mind you. I'm laughing because I had posted that post 9 months ago!
I had forgotten all about it.
But thanks for the info. I know those Corvair vans were well engineered. In fact, I wouldn't mind
having one today if it was fully reconditioned already. It would be very handy.
I guess I'll just have to be content with my '99 Ford Ranger XLT 4x4x4 pickup with its 4.0 liter V-6 and 5 speed automatic tranny. It's very handy, too. I just went out and picked up a huge load of
firewood with it today. I have a very tall canopy on it called a Flip-Pac that makes into a camper in less than a minute. Can't get those anymore, sadly. I get a lot of use out of mine year 'round.
Too bad this guy didn't get the big blue storm cover with it. It only cost me $200 extra but well worth it since
I'm in western Oregon where it rains a LOT. It rained today too, big time. The rain cover comes down over the
sides by about six inches and if you secure it with strong bungie cords, it stays on tight and doesn't flap at
night like many tents do.
th-cam.com/video/X7biqpQynt8/w-d-xo.html
@@chuckster3629 ... no problem. there's a lot of internet out there and I don't always catch when a comment is older. I have one of the Corvair vans that I drive on a regular basis. It's quirky, but better thought out than the 62 Chevy II I had for my first car.
@@rupe53
I've dug up old TH-cam videos from as much as ten years back that I've posted comments on, so really 9 months is nothing.
There is a bumper strip on the edge.
Does anyone know if they still make the e series? Or was it replaced with the transit?
+Watchfulseven 52 The E series is gone... I had a 77 E250 with the 351 and three on the tree. It went 70K before I put a nickel into it (front brake pads).. Very simple but bullet proof.
There's still plenty around though, they practically had a monopoly on the van market. On the other hand the new Euro vans are proven and practical vehicles too, I've heard they drive more like a car than a van.
The dinosaur is dead. Had an 04 which was a decent van but it drove like a house and was not without issues. Rust and a major oil leak at 175k on its Diesel engine caused me to sell it. It was fairly reliable up to that point other than regular maintenance and of course ball joints that would wear out. But hopelessly outdated compared to the European style vans that made their way here.
John-Del, AFAIK either Ford discontinued the last E-Series recently or they're still making the E-450 / 550 HD Cab + Chassis (to put RV campers or square "high cubes" on them) w/the Triton 6.8L V10 and the PowerStroke 6.7L as its' only available engines. Those were only available at Ford Truck only (not cars) dealers by special order.
@@syxepop Yup, it's called a 'cut-away'. Cut off van cab in front and bare frame in back.
Where can I get one?
The VW trucks were pretty much banned during the Chicken Tax war with Europe in the 60's.So very few came in to the US. VW also dropped the ball by not using a low pancake engine in their trucks until 1972. I f they had they could have had a very low bed truck years earlier.
What about dodge A100
It's a shame, considering the advantages of the Corvair van and pickup truck over the Ford Econoline van and pickup truck, that it was discontinued when it was.
+Jason Carpp This presentation is from GM's point of view. In the real world, the Econoline was a far better work truck. The Corvair overheated under hard work, didn't have nearly the power, and the rear load floor was unusable with the engine taking up the cargo area. For family use, I'd take the Corvair, for a work truck the E was a far better more conventional vehicle.
+ohger1 What causes the overheating? I would've given it a water cooled boxer six engine, rather than the air-cooled engine.
Jason Carpp
On a hot day pulling heavy loads, the Corvan air cooled engines overheated because of insufficient airflow across the heads for the heat they generated and lost power as a result. An air cooled four is a nice idea for an economy car but bad idea for a work truck. Between the engine and the loss of load floor out back the Corvan didn't sell a fraction of what the Econoline did. Chevy dropped this van for an Econoline clone.
+ohger1 That can certainly be a problem. Perhaps Chevrolet should've offered a water-cooled engine? Perhaps they should've also provided a better ventilation for the engine.
Jason Carpp
Only so much you can do engineering and cost wise with a pre existing design. The van was pulled from the Corvair car which limits what you can do without changing "hard points" in the engineering blueprint. For a small car, an air cooled rear mounted engine makes sense. In the winter, a rear engined car goes better than a front wheel drive. But even Vdubs in very hot weather and traffic would get very hot without pulling cargo along. But once the decision was made to make a van out of the Corvair it should have been limited to home use (Chrysler figured that out!). To add water jackets to the Corvair engine would have added a lot of cost, complexity, weight, and size. The air cooled engine was adequately ventilated as installed but there's only so much air you can get across the heads without the engine fan being geared or pitched so much that it's parasitic draw would reduce engine power to an unacceptable level. If Chevrolet had thought to dress these vans out as nicely as a car, they might have done much better with families with kids as the first Caravan did.
I think it's a very cool van just not a very good work van as the sales video would lead you to believe.
And then 3 years later, Chevrolet would pretty much copy the Ford Econoline design for the Corvair van's replacement.
Where is the Ford and VW film?
They did not give equal time to the other models IMHO.
Dropped 4 years later..
but it was really a mistake to bring out since a radical design , because americans just did'nt know anything about rear engined air cooled vehicles . that is why they did'nt sell very many . they wasted millions of dollars designing it
And yet VW sold the heck out of type II's in the US only dropping the vans and pickups because of a trade war and a tariff the US put on completed trucks to retaliate for a tax the EU put on poultry.
Time always tells : EVERYBODY now wants a VW Splitty - no one even thinks about the other two.
Even though the Corvair is the superior vehicle in almost every way.
A good condition costs ~$30-40k.
A Corvair in very good condition is like $15k at max.
And lets not talk about the 36hp engine in the VW...
Prefect, means I can get a greenbrier for cheap and have a better, american van
Because of fashion not function.
panels do not determine fair prices, markets do.
and the winner is vw
Our family had the window corvair van, lets see, it blew a piston, threw fanbelts, leaked oil, was a pain to work on the engines plugs and valve adjustment. Had a good radio. And with a load of people would have to smoke the clutch to start on a hill, it seems it was equipped with a car 4 speed manual (close ratio) that had a very high first gear. Not a hauler in any way. The back bench seats did have a lot of room underneath for our big dog!
That fan belt twisted 90 degrees was NOT meant to last, while the horizontally split crankcase was bound to leak oil. At least you knew that the engine was out of oil if you didn't see a puddle under the vehicle!
@@TheOzthewiz Much like a Detroit Diesel (another Fine GM product) Detroit Diesel wisdom? "if there isn't any oil underneath it there isn't any in it either"
Just lookat which van sells for the most now? VW is the winner.
Just goes to show that the general public are morons.
No substitute for quality1
They used the term "Corvan"!!!
Yes.
They did.
The Ford Econoline pickup had a much larger cab hence more legroom.
Y la comparación con vw? Igualmente me gusta más la Ford.
brasil Volkswagen Kombi 1.4
First generation of Mrs. Kombi.
I can only imagine the thrill of grinding the hell out of the body paint using that ramp. I suppose that might be a reason nobody ever did it again.
There's a plastic bumper, do some research before you shit on a piece of American ingenuity,
"That's about an 8, on the old tension scale, rube..."
CORVAIR WAS WAY AHEAD OF FORD, V.W. ESPECIALLY IN WEIGHT DISTRIBUTION AND TRACTION . ALL AROUND, BEST OUT OF THE 3. CORVAIR.... AMERICAN ENGINEERING AT ITS BEST💪👍😊🇺🇸sorry ford... v.w. leaf springs SUCK
still the ford sold more lasted longer, did not turn over , and are still in use 60 years later .. gee
And Ford Improved The Econolines over time then just Barely do shit and in 1969 ford upped the Game with the full size Econoline
Those dumb Econolines have a very narrow Ford 9" rear end, sought after by hotrod guys. Most had 4.10 gears too 👍
“The Ford Econoline Looks Unfinished”
Said by a guy who is Trying to make a Van that looks like the Engine was Originally put in the Front but then Smacked into the Back look good.
I noticed no mention of effort to change sparkplugs on the Corvair. Good luck with that
The plugs are all accessible from the top of the engine; they're easily changed.
From this I got that the econoline is the better van and corvair is the better pickup
But The Econoline would make a better farm truck with its higher Ground Clearance
The Corvair would be a "handful" at highway speeds with crosswinds, the econoline MUCH MORE stable!
Who was the intended audience for this slide show? Was it meant to be shown at the dealership?
Yes , dealer salesman training .
I'd rather have the VW. Sorry.
+Brian Allen Don't apologize. My dad had a brand new VW van in 1959 and loved it. When he ran it out of oil and seized the motor, he bought a new 66 Econoline Supervan with the big 240 six. He could not believe the difference in power (he said driving the Vdub meant keeping your foot to the floor pretty much all the time). Dad also seized the engine on the 66 in 1977 for the same reason (never learned his lesson)
Brian Allen thats fine, i prefer the look and smooth streamlined front of that oposed to the balsy looking front of the corvair, with its pointlessly elongated face, the econoline is still my favourite van, second would be dodge a100
My 66 econoline van fits in a old tiny 1 car garage what are meaning
@@ohger1 I threw a rod in my 1961 36hp in 1967 or 68, upgraded to 40 hp (WOW!) (Top speed still about 55 - a great teacher of patience and gauging passing distance)
First they’re comparing van then all of a sudden it’s trucks. What the hell chevy apples and oranges! Lol
This is the funniest sales crap I've ever heard... OMG
All advertisement was heavy-handed in those days. You should see GM ads from the 1930s, pre-TV, shown in movie houses. The narrator says something like. "All GM products are 100% safe and any mishap is entirely and always due to operator error." Today it would be considered defamatory and would end up in a lawsuit.
That stinking air cooled engine Chevy made was no where as good as the VW's. But Chevy learned their lesson they've not made an air cooled engine since then.
papaike2 The Corvair engine can be certified for aircraft use with the addition of a magneto ignition. It is a common upgrade for Cessna . There is an aftermarket camshaft available for Corvair that makes the engine run backwards and it will fit in a VW bus.
inurtrash shut the fuck up 😂😂
You've got to be kidding. That engine was superior to the VW engine of the same vintage. 6 cylinders, even the basic engine had twice the power, hydraulic lifters to stay in adjustment versus solids. Heck, IIRC the VW didn't even have an oil filter.
Note not even Porsche makes air cooled automotive engine any more. There are valid reasons. VW/Porsche made them for a lot longer than GM. Were they just slow learners compared to GM?
inurtrash,
Maybe, but back then those engines didn't exist. The whole Corvair power train could be swapped into the air cooled VW buses.
I don't recall any demand to put VW engines in Corvairs. Guess nobody wanted to go backwards in performance.
13" thin tires on a van , crimony .
I think the Ford offered 14 inch wheels as an option.
AFTERALL, CHEV IS THE BEST
And, what's good for GM is good for America, even bankruptcies ! lol
Corvair's cars/trucks may be mechanically better but they just look terribly ugly compared to Ford & VW.
Different, yes, but BETTER ? Not so much!
Theres a reason the Volkswagens sold the best and are worth the most
Advertising.
Lol chevy just hating on ford... the corvair engine suuuckkkeddddd and was very noisy and unreliable lol i have a 65 econoline with 350,000 miles on it and it still fires right up and runs no issue.. i had a corvair years ago and that shit was always broken.. the horrible fan/generator belt design was shit.. i sold it after about 9 months..
The Corvair engine can be certified for aircraft use with the addition of a magneto ignition. It is a common upgrade for commercial Cessnas. There is also an aftermarket camshaft available for Corvair that makes the engine run backwards and it will fit in a VW bus.
All you had was a lemon, as the general design is still great.
Jake Kaywell yea I initially had high hopes when I bought it but after a couple weeks of constant issues i started to lose interest.. kept fiddling with it for about 6 months n took it to a couple different shops but couldn’t get it to run right so i got fed up and sold it.. found out about the magneto after the fact which was a real dk punch..
Nice try Chevy but no....There are older cats that owned these and I hear they were crap.
But the Corvair is a POS , Esp. the engine.
I'm just sitting here in 2023 watching obvious blatant bullshit advertisement for and ancient Chevy van...
they forgot the the most important part,
the vw isnt gay
Incredible that the mediocre VW with only 40HP was such a hit while the vastly superior Corvan was a failure. VW had better advertising.
So much negative publicity is all bullshit as we know today