Simon, I have an idea for all of your trying to say the word 'effortlessly' more, _effortlessly._ Remember, ' *Effort Lesley* ' ..and that, Lesley is your ' *_effort-buddy_* ' !! " *effort ⦦ lesley* " " *eff ⦦ ort ⦧ les ⦦ ley* "
I can’t wait till they are finished with the construction in and round’ your home either,because then you can turn the mic up so I can hear you much better than now.
** SERIOUS WARNING** Maybe 10 years ago my mother was working at a store with a large parking lot and she got out late. A man was trying to get something into his SUV trunk. He asked for her help. My mom, being a 2nd generation Crime addict, said “I can’t, but I will call security to come help” …and then this man suddenly got the item he was having “trouble” with into this car and ZOOMED off leaving my mother shaken to the core with what could have been. THIS STILL HAPPENS. DONT LET SOMEONE PULL SOME BUNDY BS ON YOU!!! Stay safe!
I know it's been 30+ years but I had a 12 yo cousin raped and murdered by a serial killer. She was told her mom was in the hospital and he was a friend assigned to pick her up, rather than take the bus. All it takes is one wrong decision and you end up in a bad spot. I'm glad your mother was safe. Even then, the experience doesn't leave her, just as losing my cousin changed us all. There's no making sense of it all in any reassuring way, but I do appreciate the approach of CC.
@quart XX IV, your mother was very mindful of her surroundings and very perceptive. She did an EXCELLENT job, and it sounds like, raised a wise daughter that pays attention and learns also! 🤗🙏🏻
@@lylecoglianese1645 yep! 3rd generation Crime addict here! I want to live in a kinder world but I’ll help you by calling security or police and that’s about it 🫤
@@bradharrah3339 that’s horrible! I’ve always felt 12 was the age that all the bad guys really come out of the woodwork. I hope your family has been able to “heal” as best as one can by integrating the experience into their lives and never forgetting her. My parents said only my aunt or grandmother would come get me and to otherwise run to the nearest establishment and tell an adult to call the police.
"Ted Bundy co-authored a pamphlet for women on avoiding rape" Well, irony aside, to be fair if there's anyone who would know how rapists behave and thus how to avoid them, it would probably be Ted Bundy.
@@allykat5899 conspiracy theorist shouldn't be an insult and you're probably right. I could honestly see him giving bad information to make his crimes easier, but I could totally see him being full of himself enough to tell people how to avoid him so he can feel superior about getting them anyway
I remember distinctly because it was only recently, a friend trying to justify her bad relationship to me by saying “but he does have good qualities”. I said “yes, and Ted Bundy volunteered for a suicide hotline. What’s your point.” She was too busy laughing to be upset.
@@SantasGAINdeer that’s awful🤦🏽♀️ my mother did the same thing with me growing up. Justifying staying with a physically abusive heroin addict because she thought she could change him🙄 I think we all know someone that’s fallen into that trap🤦🏽♀️
@@squidge6845 also it’s the fear of being alone.I’m sure your mum could’ve found a better partner but it seems to terrify some that they might not. People need to rely on themselves more and realise that relationships and other people are overrated
That's apparently where my grandfather met him! He volunteered for the same hotline, and my grandmother, as it happens, had long brown hair. We all consider it very lucky that he creeped her the hell out. It is valuable, though, to remember that even the worst people aren't complete monsters all the time. If it was obvious they were a terrible person all the time, nobody would fall for it. Hope your friend's okay, and doesn't blame herself too much.
Much like your Dahmer video, this made me realize Bundy's crimes were SO much more horrific than I ever realized, and I already knew they were incredibly heinous. I appreciate you tanking the psychic damage to bring this content to us
Unfortunately that’s been the trend with all the “popular” serial killers in the past 20 years or so. The USA has gone through this weird phase of saying “It’s inappropriate to talk about such graphic things” to “Holy crap I love true crime” This has had a very huge impact on these stories that not a lot of people are willing to acknowledge. We have situations where these stories are heavily glossed over due to sensitivity but due to the censorship and explosion of true crime via podcasts and documentaries you find people actually obsessed with these people. Like actually defending their actions because they were “mentally ill”. This was never made more apparent when the Dahmer series came out and everyone was obsessed with Evan Peters as Jeffery Dahmer. Saying it was cute or trying to defend his actions because the series was from his perspective. I’ll never forget my ex girlfriend’s little sister who was 15 at the time watching the series(idk why her parents let her) and not even understanding the Jeffery Dahmer was a real person and not based off of other people. I had to explain the actual story and things he did because the show goes through it but it doesn’t make people understand it. Same with Zach Effron as Ted Bundy. I would hope to see more education around these people but I’m not holding my breath
this video makes me wonder how many of our elected politicians or people in power are actually psychos. think about it. if someone rich and or powerful really wanted to they could do whatever they want and just pay off the cops smh
I have a friend with congenital psychopathy, she's really cool, actually. She told me, though, that she more simulates emotions than feels them. She knows how to appear like other people because she studies them. She has gotten to the point where she can feel empathy and whatnot, but she can also turn it off. She's one of the smartest and nost down-to-earth people I know. Psychopathy doesn't make you want to kill people, it just makes a murderer not feel guilty about it.
at the end of the day. everyone can pretend to feel something. mad, happy, sad etc. everyone has manipulation skills... the difference is that psychos have a superior skill of manipulation. ted bundy didnt have to do much to make victims do what he wanted
I will say that this is also one of my most terrifying friends because she's offered to digitally ruin anyone who tries to screw me over with no remorse. It was a joke, but I wouldn't put it past her to actually do it without me ever knowing about it. She's too smart to get caught, not arrogant enough to give herself away, and being able to turn off that empathy switch would guarantee that she doesn't hold back... I know people who make explosives for fun, yet SHE'S the scary one. Really fun conversationalist, though, she can remove most of her bias as well and recognizes what she can't, so you can have some INTENSE conversations with her and she never gets emotional. Also means it takes a lot to piss her off. God help you if you do.
@@hana_maru22 I have a problem pronouncing Acapulco, and like Simon the more I try to say it correctly the more I mess it up. Sometimes my big brain just stops working.
It’s great. People on his subreddit keep encouraging his writers to use it too. Probably a coincidence, but some of the writers frequent the sub, so you never know.
@@falconmclenny7284 some people deserve to die, others don’t that’s my opinion, some people are just cruel and evil, and for those kinds of people they deserve the death penalty.
I love the fact that Simon tells us who wrote the script at the start because at this point it's almost like a rating system. The Callum and Matt scripts are equal in humor and seriousness, the others more on the facts than on humor, and then there's David. Anytime it's a David script you know it's going to be longer and a bit more brutal than usual and I know that I can't listen to it while my mum is in the car with me lol.
Thank you for the compliment! I do enjoy adding a bit of levity to scripts if I can. Though I will admit there are gonna be a couple scripts coming up that are a touch on the serious side, so I hope you enjoy those too!
Fun fact, I was classified as a Congenital Psychopath when I was younger. Had to go to a therapist after what was supposed to be a traumatic experience. While I may not have empathy for people the way others have told me it works I was taught a kind of puesdo empathy. If I feel the situation calls for it I will litteraly think of what if a situation happened to me and I didn't act like I normally would. Doesn't work 100% of the time and sometimes I do come off as a bit off to people. I can however just not do it if I feel it would be better in the situation. It's rare that happens though. Before anyone asks, no I have no feelings of needing to kill others although having no empathy can help in a fight. I have not killed any animals for entertainment. The only times where for food or self defense. Yes I have been in relationships but most ended because of reasons other than the lack of empathy although I expect it was a sizeable factor. No, I will not turn out like Ted because he was more extreme, didn't get help as a child, and had other mental issues effecting him.
This is why I am so fervently against pathologizing certain behaviors (calling an abuser a narcissist, calling a criminal a psychopath, etc). The only thing it does is make people with those personality disorders less likely to pursue help and stigmatizes them further
Finally... I'm not alone with "This". Either I'm a literal demon or trying to be a "tough guy". Like the concept of a self aware psychopath just cannot exist. I can want what is best for my daughter, without having to give a single solitary f!ck about the rest of humanity. Does that mean I want to go out of my way to hurt people? Nope. But will I have any regrets if I were to post-abort a sh!t stain like Ted Bundy? Nope, in fact, I'll sleep better and smile as I conk out. Awww, he's a "person" and killing is just wrong? F!ck you for defending him. Folks like that need killing, so they can't do it again, nor relive all of their "triumphs". At the end of the day, all of us are "psycho" to some degree. But nobody wants to admit that. But really think about the thoughts you have about people when you are furious... The violence that floods your mind when you hear somebody hurt a child, and how you just want to decimate that pedophile. But that's normal, right? If you don't feel that, then YOU'RE the one that is busted. Not us functional psychos. It should feel the same as crushing a roach, a bedbug, or just taking out the trash. PROTECTING your own. Or think of a trend, any trend, and then you're accused that that trend marks you as dangerous. Let's use alcohol as an example. If you only get drunk at home, but somebody on the news gets into a car accident and kills 4 people... does that make YOU the problem? No, because you never drove intoxicated. But now you're always branded as "dangerous". That's us Functional Psychopaths being stuck with Dangerous Psychopaths. If gender can be a damn spectrum, then so can the mind, being not so simple as to lump everything in one pot. People want a bad guy. And because it's easy for everybody, we get caught in all the flak as a collective, when it was really just a handful of evil bastards as unofficial spokesmen.
It's great that you got such help and very brave that you talk about this so openly, even though it's sad, that you immediately needed to defend yourself. Ngl that would be a relationship-breaker, as sharing troubles and such, truly sharing, is such an important part of relationships...
An apparent lack of empathy is also a characteristic of Autism Spectrum Disorders. I'm on the spectrum, and I've also had to learn what you describe as "pseudo empathy." It doesn't come naturally to me, and I have to actively imagine how I would feel in a given situation. Unfortunately, when a person is in a situation that is a direct result of them making illogical, non-rational, or just bad decisions, I have to also actively remind myself that most people can't look at their own behavior through the lens of cold logic. I don't expect people to feel sorry for me, and I don't feel sorry for myself, if I've put myself in a crappy situation through my own actions. In those cases, it's hard for me to even muster that "pseudo empathy."
One time a pair of men came to my door saying they were with the electric company and needed to be let in. They gave me really bad vibes so I told them I had company and now was a bad time and they needed to come back later. Then I shut and locked the door before they could respond. After I locked the door I realized they hadn’t been in any sort of uniform, not even a shirt with the electric company’s logo on it. And they weren’t carrying tools. I called the electric company and there wasn’t anyone doing work in the area that day. So I totally agree with you, Simon, always ask for ID.
I was 13 years old and my parents had left to go bowling. It was one of the first times we had been left at home alone-that is my slightly younger sister and I. A young adult son of a trusted neighbor (who was the area babysitter) unexpectedly knocked on the door and asked if my mom was home. I froze. I had caught him checking me out (eww) a time or two. He looked like that guy from the ‘Victory Auto Wreckers’ commercial. I said, “She’s not able to come to the door.” He asked if he could borrow a flashlight. I shut the curtain and refused to speak to him any longer and hid. I watched from upstairs that he had walked away. He came back later when my parents were home and asked my mom if he could borrow a shovel. My mom gave him a shovel. Turns out-that night he and his buddies had robbed and unalived someone in a gated community. He went to jail for life. 👀 His mom was really so nice. Her kids were just the most awful-except for one. Demon spawn.
Simon is spot on about Bundy's revenge against Diane. Everything he did, from learning social cues to studying was all about elevating himself to the point where Diane would find him desirable. He spent years doing all that just for the pleasure of hanging up that phone on her. Narcissism is a powerful thing.
I gotta admit though. That's kinda a baller move. Sounds like Diane couldn't give a damn about him when he was just a regular loser in her eyes. She was only really interested when he got all famous and mingling with the high class. Dating men for their career status is such a bad way to see a relationship. Bundy's revenge was super over the top, but I can't say I feel bad for her for getting slammed like that. At least she didn't get brutally murdered.
@@Michael-zf1ko Except, Diane was right. He WAS just a regular loser in her eyes. No college degree, no steady job, no real plans for the future, and seemed deeply troubled. Not to mention he was cheating on her. Meanwhile she was graduating college, starting a career, had plans for her future and wanted a partner she saw eye to eye with. Nothing wrong with that. She didn't lie to him, didn't string him along, didn't cheat. She just didn't want to date him anymore so she broke up with him. Again, nothing wrong with that... Then a few years later they meet up again and he's turned his life around. He's in school, has career plans, he has goals and is working hard towards him. Finally, he's living up to his potential and showing that spark that initially attracted her in the first place. Then he pursues her, they get back together, and she probably figures that he just needed some time to mature, figure out what he wanted in life and come into his own power as an adult. If Bundy wasn't such a narcissist, she would have been right. Bundy would have married Diane, graduated law school, and gone on to have the wealthy high society life he always wanted... But he wanted revenge more than he wanted to be happy. Boy, he really showed her, huh?🙄
Fun fact: Ann rule was taken in by bundy, but her dog was totally creeped out by him. Would growl at him and would get protective of Ann when Ted was around. The dog wasn't like that with anyone else
What makes the 2nd escape more shocking is the fact that other inmates told the prison guards they heard Bundy trying to get up in the ceiling but were ignored.
I am a sociopath. I ruined my life at the age of 19 and was outed at 21 and went through about 13 years of therapy. Now at 37 I have a very small circle of friends, my family, and am married and told my husband about myself when we first started dating within the first couple of months because I wanted to be with him the rest of my life. I have led a normal life, but still have issues that get better with age. Evil is evil. I know a psychopath, and was raised by a psychopath and it’s about control but not about evil unless you have evil in your heart.
Knowing a malignant narcissist closely, what they cannot face more than anything else is public failure or embarrassment. If he was going to fail classes, saying he dropped out because he was choosing his path. Anything that seems plausible and doesn’t indicate failure would be acceptable ways to ditch a plan, business, or project.
Yhea not just that but would he even think he needed the university degree like others did. I'd not be suprised if he thought he was above needing such things and all he needed was to be noticed by the right people, person and they would recognise what a genius he was.
The Deliberate Stranger aired when I was a teenager and Bundy was still alive. It was chilling. You didn't have to list all the victims, or paramours, to understand what a true freak of nature the man was. The one positive I can think of: The Bundy case encouraged law enforcement agencies both state and local to work more closely together, to more readily share information and not be territorial. Bundy was not the first of his ilk but he was one of the most studied by everyone from the common man to the highest levels of law enforcement and journalism.
I watched that when I was a teenager as well. When it first aired. My mom and I thought it would ruin Mark Harmon's career, like everybody would be creeped out seeing him in anything else, lol.
@@MichaelPoage666 funny thing huh. Harmon had been typecast as a lightweight light humor guy and appeared as basically the same part over and over. Without Stranger, NCIS would not have happened.
Mark Harmon was chilling, wonderful in the part. I’ll never forget his looks and appearance in the lineup scene, when he gets stopped by the cop scene, and just all of his creepy-weirdness. Great film.
Thanks for not censoring curse words in this one. There's a lot of catharsis in hearing Simon belt out expletives in reaction to a literal monster of a human being. Also, we're all grown-up enough to listen to a true crime podcast, so I think we can handle some little words. Though I do understand the censorship if your income is on the lime, Simon. Superbly researched and written as well. My heart always breaks when I listen to these.
I’ve heard the only reason why expletives are censored at the start is to prevent demonetisation. Completely understandable as this channel is quality and it’s producers 100% deserve their pay
In case anyone's curious, it's speculated that his daughter was not conceived through sex, but it is thought that his wife smuggled in a condom, where he inserted his "genetic material" and then she smuggled it out when they kissed. I looked up what his daughter was up to nowadays, and got that little bit of information. Oh and his daughter, Rose Bundy, is a complete mystery. Author Ann Rule, wrote a book about him and purposefully didn't go looking for her because, as the daughter of one of the most infamous murderers, she figured she didn't want to be found, and has probably, and understandably, changed her name a very long time ago. But Rule has heard "that Ted’s daughter is a kind and intelligent young woman but I have no idea where she and her mother may live". And that is a level of respect that a lot of people would not have given, but at least one good thing did come from him, and I wish her the best.
I was wondering about her too. Cannot blame her if she did decide to change her name and keep a very low profile. It's difficult enough for relatives of murderers between grappling with what your relative did and society's sometimes shitty treatment of you due to your relation. Can't even imagine what it'd be like to be related to Ted Bundy of all people. Hope wherever she is, she's living a happy and peaceful life.
Children of people like this deserve the right to live their lives never being associated with their monster parents. We don't have the right to know who or where they are.
The granddaughter came out on social media and it almost went viral on who she was. It broke my heart a little when her mother worked so hard avoiding the trails of what he left behind
Growing up in Washington it was always terrifying to hear about him. My boyfriend went to University of Washington and one night I was walking by myself in the dark. I never felt my heartbeat so fast thinking about how a psychopath years ago was walk on these same paths.
This was hands down the best Ted Bundy commentary I have ever watched. He has been covered so many times that I usually scroll past anything Bundy related but knew the CC would take it to the next level. Well done everyone.
David is the true heavy hitter of the Casual Criminalist. Respect is much deserved for this script and how he covered Gacy and acknowledged the victims. And Jen, thanks for the spectacular editing as always!
@@MGscribe I like all the writers on the Casual Criminalist and praise for David is most certainly not meant to devalue the work by any other writer, including yours Matt. I've definitely enjoyed episodes you've written as well.
I am amazed at how thorough David is. Hope he gets hazard pay. I think the risk of mental and emotional damage earns it. I'm sure that he left details out regarding just what Gacy did with to his victims. And that is saying something regarding what he DID include. And he had to read that. Make notes regarding that.
What I like about him is unlike some other writers he dosen't blugeon us over the head with "We must remember the victims not the killer!", he gives necessary information about both sides
I can't put my finger on exactly why, but that story about how Simon thought some random guy was his boss for six months is perhaps the Simonest story.
Bundy was caught in Pensacola, FL, where he allegedly told the officer "I'm gonna make you famous." The officer was recognized as Policeman of the Year. I was living there at the time and this was huge news.
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I lived next to a Ted Bundy-type guy for many years as a teen. All the hallmarks of a psychopath, unnecessarily violent towards animals, didn't know boundaries, that serial killer stare, short-fuse, and of course add to that a lawyer. He used to creep on me something awful when I was 14, made me very uncomfortable going out of his way to by my friend, then years later I found out he was involved in a case of a girl that was skinned (apparently alive)... and she looked just like I did back then. Always ALWAYS trust your intuition because it is there for a reason!
The fact that people actually idolise Ted Bundy, especially when they have heard all the utterly heinous things he did to all those women and children, makes me sick and angry in ways I rarely have before. Anyone who does idolise this wretched monster needs to be watched closely, cos there is definitely something Bundy level wrong with them too!
There are still girls and women who think Bundy is charming and there is even fanfiction about it. It is sick. This man was a monster and I can not understand how anyone can look at the photo's after his arrest and not see an insane failure of a human being.
Oh yea I'm sure, you would have called Ted Bundy a monster and a failure of a human man! If you would have fallen prey to him! He would have had you crying and screaming like a little B I T C H...
They then also have the audacity to be like "oh but I could fix him". Like no honey, you can't. Nobody can. If anything, if he had met you, you would have ended up as yet another pile of bones in the woods. You ain't special, at least not the kind of special that can drastically change the very roots of a serial killer.
I was on a walk this morning, and I passed a bald man with glasses. Naturally, I assumed it was Simon, but it must have been Moby. Simon was evidently busy posting this video at the time. On a related note, I'd like to thank Ted Bundy for making me afraid to walk (or sleep, or just exist) by myself. "The Stranger Beside Me" was my first Ann Rule book, and I've read far too many since then.
I hate that this is the situation that we are in but im convinced we can change it. Statistically we are not at risk for any number of crimes especially things like death by serial killers or rape by a stranger. Ive been attacked randomly at night yet im a dude so I kinda understand how it feels knowing that others dont grasp that your feelings/actions regarding these fears are completely valid regardless of the rare chance of their occurence. Whenever I see a broken down car with an obvious issue like a flat tire or they have the corresponding signal out for the issue theyre experiencing. Those signals being like: Gas gap door left open or gas can placed somewhere visible if youre out of gas, Need a jump start? Pop hood, leave open, and dangle jumper cables over side of hood, flat tire? Lay tire against rear of car. These are all clear signs that will make me feel comfortable with stopping assuming I can help with those specific issues. Otherwise I just keep driving. Some people want to wait for AAA, which is fine but their vehicle is also a danger being on the side of the road or highway. Anyhow what Im getting at is that we as the bad ass intelligent beings that we are are capable of discussing these issues in order to help one another. There are FAR more people who want to stop in order to help the broke down car than there are people who want to attack the broken car(the driver, i mean lol.) So would you talk about your experiences walking? what would make you more comfortable? Ive heard of gals leaving one side of the side walk when a guy walks on the other and vice versa. Is that helpful for you? Or suspicious? thanks for taking the time to read my crappy grammar.
@@titaniusanglesmith9690, thank you for sharing and for listening! I live in a safe place, and I've only been in a couple of truly scary situations, all of which turned out relatively well. I just maintain awareness of my surroundings and always have a weapon on me, even if it's just mace. I don't go out at night, and I usually have someone with me if I'm away from town. It's life. These people ruin it for the rest of us. What can ya do.
A sad but true safety tip I heard was "A man will never ask a woman for help." If one does stay on high alert. Hopefully one day this tip won't be true but for now...
Really? Why not. Surly it depends on the time, place and what you need help with. Yes it's highly unlikely that a man would ask a woman with something physical but wasn't that the point of Bundy wearing a sling or pretending some injury? This though is definitely, definitely something that woman should think about and be careful if they are ever in such a situation. It's also even more definitely something you should tell your kids. Now there really is no good reason for an adult stranger, either male or female to ask a child for help. It's just not something that is adult will do or need to do for any good reason.
This is one that hits close to home (quite literally) for my family. We lived on FSU family housing during this time, as my father was a student. There are two situations that involved my family. One, my father was mistakenly identified as Bundy. A campus police officer tried to arrest my father because he fit Bundy's description and he thought my dad had a club. My dad was leaving a nearby building. The 'club' was a red tipped cane. My father was blind. The second story is bone chilling. After Bundy's arrest, my sister recognized him as the strange man who approached her to help him get something in his car. He was wearing a cast and my sister was exactly his type. She said he made the hairs stand on the back of her neck, but her friend came along and she was able to ditch him. I remember how she screamed and shaked when she saw him on the news.She gave a deposition for the trial as she was underage (17) at the time. I don't know if that deposition was actually used during the trial in any way. We celebrated at home the day he met Ol' Sparky.
Good god! That’s crazy! So, so glad to hear she survived her encounter with TB! I hope she was able to get some counseling. I know I’d be having nightmares for years…
That's nuts. Yeah, people, especially women, trust your instincts. I've known so many girls who've been through some of the hardest stuff because they have a hard time drawing boundaries or taking themselves seriously so they go with the danger even though they have this feeling that it's not right. Let me take this opportunity to say: screw your confidence or lack thereof, just be willing to draw the line and be like no I'm not going with you, no I don't need a ride, etc.
I knew two of his victims (Naslund and Brenda Ball), not well but acquainted. My sister met Bundy and shook his hand (he was volunteering with her best friend's mom, Ann Rule), they were going out for the evening and checked in with Ann, on Capitol Hill in Seattle. He actually told them ''be safe out there.' Brenda's sister Debbie was a friend of mine in high school. Brenda was absolutely gorgeous. Debbie ended up taking her own life with a rifle. Tragic.
I like quotes from survivors, too. It’s so interesting to see where their head was at. Like, how she mentioned her duvet was new. It obviously wasn’t her biggest concern, but there’s an implication that she’s bothered they were ruined *because* they were new. Like, attack aside…these sheets are. new. and he’s just ruined them in the worst way humanly possible.
A lot of people who lived in North Florida at the time of Ted Bundy’s execution had Fry Ted Bundy parties, we all turned off the lights to make sure the prison had the power to fry his ass at the time of his execution. We knew turning off the lights wouldn’t affect the power but we took that time to remember those he killed.
@@BergyTheGhost Poor thing, did no one come to your birthday parties when you were a kid? I hate to tell you this but when your mommy said they were just jealous she was lying to you, it was really because they didn’t like you.
Ok boomer. As expected, a simple comeback. At least be relevant. I know to set my expectations low for you seeing as you are from Florida but at least try
@@BergyTheGhost If you’re going to attack someone’s intelligence you should at least use proper contractions and correct punctuation in your sentences. It’s like the old quote, “It’s better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you’re a fool than to open it and remove all doubt”, Mark Twain.
I remember the last time my dad picked up a hitchiker with my very young sister and myself were in the middle seat of his dodge ram truck... He asked if i wanted to sit on his lap, I said no. I was 6.. My sister told my mom and the dude was in our town crime report for assault the week later. My mom freaked..and im glad it wasn't a bad outcome. :/
I used to work for Pensacola Police Department, and Ted Bundy was always used as an example of how a "simple" traffic stop is never simple, and you never know who you will stop. It was also a great example of inter police cooperation. PPD gave Tallahassee Sheriff's all the help they asked for and didn't ask for. It wasn't unusual for departments to just do their own thing and screw the other guy. In the department foyer in Pensacola is David Lee's patrol uniform, Bundys mugshot, fingerprint card, and a few news articles. Last I saw they also had his arrest report in there too.
My father was shot in the line of duty in Deming New Mexico a few weeks before I was born. His murder was found innocent becuase after getting shot in the face with a shotgun, my father would have been unable to shoot back. Since he got a shot off, it was found he was the aggressor and shot first. Later, the murder was shot dead by Florida police. So thanks for that.
Departments not working together was part of how Ted got away with it for so long. He'd drop the body in one jurisdiction, the clothes in another, the murder weapon in another, etc. And since they weren't really communicating no one put it together until he was already caught.
The point in this video that this all became more real to me was when Aspen, Colorado was mentioned. I used to go to aspen every winter break with my family to ski, and recognizing the names of locations that are mentioned is genuinely terrifying, because I know that when I visualize those locations, that’s what those things actually look like. This man is an absolute monster.
I swear The Casual Criminalist's writers must have a secret pool going on on who will inflict the most horrible trauma and be able to finally make Simon break and go insane!
I hope he records lots of nice, fun videos in-between these big, horrible ones. Some silly conspiracy theorist nonsense for Decoding the Unknown, or lighter Biographics/Geographics or somesuch.
I think whoever wrote the Pedro Lopez script may have already won that one. He still mentions how that one messed him up during almost every Casual Criminalist video.
I accidentally creeped out a hitchhiker I picked up because the conversation turned to serial killers and I started telling him about ways to dispose of bodies. He asked to be dropped off near a bus stop, and I feel like he decided to pay for a safe trip instead of taking his chances with a stranger
Sad part is I'm kinda like you, I'll rant about how dumb criminals are with their cover stories or how they could have gotten rid of the bodies better. 🤣 My mom finds it hilarious how I shout at the TV when watching true crime shows like the FBI files or lately, Murder Maps.
@@brendatidwell3423 Murder Maps is narrated by the legendary Fred Dinage, though, right? IMHO, he's got the kind of voice that totally invites you to yell back at the screen; he's just so darned engaging and conveys such passion in his narration! I absolutely talk back to Fred, as well! 😅
Whoa, rereading your comment suddenly reminded me of an experience I had years ago whilst living in a very large city: I once met a group of 3 law students whilst listening to a street protestor, and we ended up chatting for a good bit of time before realizing that we all needed to travel to the same general area to run errands. So, we walked off together, still chatting together. At some point, they asked what I did, and I told them about how I was studying forensic & criminal psychology. They all just stared at me for a few seconds before mumbling stuff to the effect of "oh, um, that's, um... interesting." Over the course of the next few minutes, they chatted to me less drifted further and further away, until eventually I realized they'd silently just snuck out if the store. When I ran into them again a few months later, they came right out and said, "We all suddenly realized that you were doing exactly what a serial killer would do to try and earn our trust, and it freaked us out!" LOLOLOL!
I started school in the mid-80's, teenager in the 90's. It wasn't before I learned about Ted Bundy that I understood why I was told as a teen NEVER to hitchhike with a stranger. And I'm from Norway.
Yeah ... being from Washington state ... the history is not very pleasant. No place is perfect but crime sprees of killers have over lapped at times, making it even more dangerous.
It was actually hearing about Edmund Kemper that did it for me! Oddly enough, my dad actually had a fraternity brother who was the victim of an attempted SA whilst hitchhiking (the poor guy actually had to kick out the window and jump through it out of a moving car because the driver had removed the doorhandles and window control!! Soooo scary!) but for whatever reason/s nothing really made it sink in like reading about Ed Kemper.
Love it how Simon frequently struggles with his humanity and questions whether he is a truly terrible person for either being stimulated by or apathetic toward such graphic violence, then reliably dismisses it and gets back to the graphic violence. Simon is all of us. We're all truly terrible. I feel seen.
Good recap! We all think of actions we’ve taken in the past, I used to hitchhike to school a fair amount in the early ‘70s (not anywhere near Bundy of course) but just thank goodness nothing ever happened! Watching your vids while I have a boring task to do, it’s helping!
Yes, David!! “Effortlessly” right at the very start - giving us what we want 😆😆 Edit: Also, my mom and aunt went to high school with him in Tacoma. Apparently my aunt went on a date with him once but didn’t like him 😅
My aunt was on a student council in her senior year at WSU and he was the speaker. Said he gave her the creeps, faculty wouldn't let him take individual students to lunch. I also toured UW in high-school and some of the spots he killed students had memorial posts.
My best friend's aunt was on a date with Serial Killer Jack Unterweger. He creeped her out so much, that she called her brother to take him home. She has a terrible Taste in man. I always wonder how bad the vibe was he gave off, that this one time she saw the Red Flag.
The downside of Bundy being executed was that there are still so many families that won't get any answers. My aunt is one of Bundy's suspected victims, but my family will never really know. She was 16, matched his M.O and was murdered when he was active in Seattle (she was killed in Lynnwood, about 30 minutes north of the U district). Nancy's case is still open.
@@MGscribe Thank you. Unfortunately everyone that knew her have all passed. She had her baby sister (my stepmother who was born after her death) and then us. My grandfather died 5 years ago, never knowing who killed his daughter. But we keep her memory alive and still check in with the cold case detective assigned to her case.
Oh that’s awful. I’m so sorry to hear that. 😢 But unfortunately he just said that to string officials (and families) along. I don’t believe he would have let any information out. It was just a ploy. 😢🤗
This is something that I never understood: the american justice system being so obsessed with killing inmates they dont even care about their open cases. Absolutely disgusting, those poor families. Im so sorry!
@@whitneyr.846 I would have granted his request, for this very reason. I wouldn’t have given him years, say 6 months, but other families needed answers. My condolences for your family.
At 1:49:25 he asks why the judge was "taken in" by Ted Bundy, talking about how he could've been a great lawyer, and all I could think of was Obi Wan telling Anakin "You were the chosen one! You were supposed to destroy the Sith, not join them!"
There is an important destinction between lacking empathy and being a psychopath. There are several disorders in which it is hard for the person to understand what others are feeling. The important distinction of a psychopath is that they do not care what the other person feels, even though they can often name the emotion of other perfectly.
You’re the first person I’ve heard remark on the judges comments, well done. It was so sickening, the judge should have dealt very differently with this monster.
I’m from a small town in Northern Utah, when Bundy moved to SLC my moms best friend, let’s call him “R”, from childhood was one of Bundys buddies at the U of U. He even ended up taking Bundy to church with him on Sundays and got him baptized into the LDS church.
Just got to the part when he was assessing Diane's suitability as a girlfriend. My 90s child head started singing "Ted don't like girls, Ted likes cars and money" 😂
Simon, I love your genuine and charismatic nature, bruh. Keep it up. I have subbed almost all your channels because I find nearly all of it fascinating, truly. Thank you, man! I wish you and your WHOLE CREW the best.
My absolute favorite true crime novel is Ann Rules "A Stranger Beside Me". The fact that she was a friend of his before he was suspected of his crimes gave an amazing insight and perspective in the book.
Mark Harmon as Ted Bundy is the reason my mother hated Mark Harmon and never watched anything he ever did after that. Personally, that was one of my fave serial killer movies... that and Steve Railsback as Charles Manson in Helter Skelter in 1976 mini-series.
@@terribongers2465 Yeah, I did the magazines there and she had a book signing and no one showed up so I had her all to myself. I truly believe she was the best true crime writer ever. Neat meeting one of your favorite authors. Her daughter writes as well. Sad that she is gone.
It's fascinating how it's much more soothing to listen to Simon on CC than almost any other channel he has, in my opinion. I usually actively listen to every episode of CC while doing housework, but then I'll put on one of the long ones to sleep when my partner has the nightshift, cause I fall asleep easier this way... :D
I just want to clarify that it doesn't put me to sleep out of boredom or anything, it's just he has a great narration voice. If TH-cam stops paying the bills, this man should definitely get on to reading audiobooks cause I'd buy the shit out of those.
I saw “Deliberate Stranger” when it first aired in 1986. For two decades, nothing featuring Mark Harmon would be viewed by me; his performance was so chilling. It is nice to hear that version receive some Critical validatiom.
When Simon started talking about Ann Rule working with Ted Bundy at the suicide hotline, I went "that name sounds familiar." And looked up and realized I have one of her books on my table in the "to be read" pile.
Do not ever let them take you to a second location if there is anyway you can help it!!!! You are way more likely to meet a gruesome fate at a second location than maybe being shot or stabbed making a fuss and screaming while they are trying to take you! Fight like hell and try your hardest to get away! They are most likely trying to get you to go quietly anyway and it may spook them if you make a spectical of them.
My dad told me he distinctly remembers the day Bundy was executed. Apparently he had written down the time and watched the clock in school and counted down the seconds until his scheduled execution and he remembers thinking to himself, “That bastard’s dead.” He was a freshman at the time.
I was just thinking how odd it is that a true crime "podcaster?" knows absolutely nothing about the subject. 😂 I do agree he's a great narrator, though.
I just finished reading 'The Prince of Darkness', Liz Kloepfer's book about Bundy. I didn't know he was having a full-on affair during the trial with a member of his legal team, his lawyer's receptionist. In FULL view of Liz AND Carol.
my sister is bipolar, and she Developed a lack of empathy due to lead poisoning as a child. This brought along incestual bahavior, physical abuse and an inabilityt to conceptualize another person's pain. Safe to safe i had a rough childhood because of her. But she never went on to murder ppl. She delved into drugs and sex addiction which led to gambling and inability to care for her children. Which still impacts me to this day as an adult. So no, not all ppl with a lack of empathy kill people, but they do harm the people in their lives in one way or another.
The murder frenzy is like what addicts do to get more drugs. They aren't thinking, they are just doing anything they think might get them their next high.
Seriously...what is wrong with people. There are quite of bit of men whom murdered or abused kids and the moms STILL advocate and want to be with these men. Crazy!
Yeah, it blows my mind! Heck- the one time my kids' dad lost his temper at our then-toddler to the point that it appeared he was going to start hitting our kid, I literally put my own body between my ex and our toddler, and made it VERY clear that if he wanted to physically strike my child he'd have to go through me.
There's a medical term for that but it's 6am and my brain quit working about an hour ago. If you have to have insomnia, Simon is the best companion for a sleepless night.😳
When the judge passed down the death penalty to Bundy, & said what he said he wasn't referring to Bundy as a person - the judge was disappointed that such intelligence of a person was wasted on a person such as Bundy.
I've been watching quite a bit of these over the last month or so, and the number of times Simon struggles with the world effortlessly is honestly so funny to me 😂.
When POS was attempting to tempt young women to assist him with his non-existant sailboat, there were at least two calls to police. At least one said there was "this creepy *old* guy" trying to get young women to go with him. That's always given me a snide sense of satisfaction.
What a TREAT!!! 2 hours of Dr Dave and Simon!! David always writes such good scripts and I am always excited when we get one!! Thanks for all the hard work Dave!!!!
The family of Debbie Kent, the Viewmont High student, had a small scholarship fund for theatre students at the school. I remember all the rumors we heard about Bundy in school, even though he'd been dead for years. One of my uncles went to school with her and remembered her as a nice girl.
Only at 1:02:38 - Laura Aime (Pronounced Amy) was not found for years. She was the cousin of my high school sweetheart. The family was so relieved when she was finally found and they could lay her to rest. 💔 also, a friends mother is only alive because she literally threw herself out of his moving car because he wouldn’t stop where she asked him to after he picked her up hitch hiking. She later recognized him when his face started turning up on the news… I can’t remember her age, but it was when she was in her teens, before my friend was born. I’m so glad my friend (and her mom) are here today. ❤
To David: I've seen many Ted Bundy videos on TH-cam over the years. Your work on this subject is the best I've ever come across. Your research was top notch. The way you presented all the information in your script was amazing! I'm looking forward to more CasCrim scripts from you. And to Simon: I truly enjoy these long deep dives into infamous crimes. Also, I like the way you mock America. In a lot of cases you're not wrong.😉
I also like his humour, he’s making a light of everything which kinda mocks the victim’s and the seriousness of Ted’s crime. So he must be a narcissist and psychopathic himself 😊
A suggestion for a video: The Cédrika Provencher case. It has everything: a mysterious kidnapping, police incompetence, conspiracy and more police incompetence. The case is still unresolved today, no matter the vast energy deployed by the police, but they fixated on the wrong suspect, ignored everything else and focused to corner him, but they never managed to get anything to link him to the case. All that on the hunch that the guy is guilty because he refused to submit to the polygraph.
I remember Ted Bundy's execution like it was yesterday. I lived in Tampa, Florida and while I was only in grade school I knew something big was happening. Every single morning during the lead up to Bundy's execution you could hear Mason Dixon on Q105 in the morning singing we're gonna fry him good. My father would actually sing along and at times he would laugh at this macabre but well deserved song. The morning of his execution my father was listening to Mason Dixon hanging on his every word as he stated Ted rode the lightening and was D-E-A-D. They had a new song with a chorus that sang "Ted is Dead" and everyone loved it. That day was like a never ending party and even my teachers were cheering. I have never seen anything like that before or after in my life. It was like for one moment in time, everyone, everywhere came together to give that cretin the middle finger and I am very proud that my state sent him too Hell in a hand basket. We don't play games here in Florida...
I would love a Casual Criminalist on The Zodiac Killer. Bundy was a charasmatic piece of work. To call him a monster is putting it nicely. I just don't understand how someone can stand by him after all the evidence presented. I'm sure there are more victims of his we don't know about.
My guess is some SERIOUS levels of Stockholm Syndrome, or even more simply, an overwhelming amount of terror. Can you imagine suspecting your partner of being a serial killer, and telling the police, and the next day he is sleeping in your house again?? These days we understand the psychology of why abused women don't/can't leave abusive relationships. She would be a textbook example.
Or that she didn't really have any where else to go, and didn't want to let on she knew what he was, lest he murder her and her daughter. I can't imagine being in that position, but on the other hand, if you are seemingly "safe" in the status quo, why risk changing it?
Based on interviews with her (Liz, his longtime ex-GF) that I've seen, it seems like she kept telling herself that she was being paranoid and silly, and that she really just wanted reassurance from the police that it *couldn't* be her boyfriend Ted. In my experience as a true crime junkie, I've read and heard about a similar phenomenon multiple times: wives, GFs and partners will call the police not because they actually believe on any conscious level that their partner is truly a murderer, but more because they realize there are so many unavoidable similarities between the unknown killer and their partner that they worry other people might get suspicious. And, since they can't begin to imagine that their partner is actually a killer, they want to be able to definitively be told by police "No, he's not the guy" so they can have peace of mind as well as protect their partner from rumors and suspicion.
Thank you David for never holding back in your scripts! Sometimes the other scripts seem to try to be a bit lighthearted for Simon’s sake and it can feel like they’re doing a disservice to the victims in that way and shying away from the depravity of the killer by doing that. Also Simon, I think we should all agree to NEVER hitchhike EVER.
These long form videos on Bundy, Gacey & Kemper have been great the writing has been really detailed, and performed with that unique pizazz that Simon brings to each video. Would be great to see a video one day on Gary Ridgway
I live in Alaska and I love hearing the cases you've done on criminals in my state. By chance, have you thought of doing one on Robert Hansen, the butcher baker? I know he's been presented a lot, but I feel that this channel goes beyond the most well known facts and delves deeper than most channels I've seen before, and I'd love to hear your team's take on it.
That case, along with Israel Keyes, always scared the living crap out of me: Alaska has some *seriously* scary serial killers and violent criminals!! (It is gorgeous m though- I'd love to visit again someday!)
I love and agree with the previous comment on how great and varied the script writers are. Jenn's edits rock too. I love the cuts she adds when you say her name. Lol. Glad I discovered this channel. I've only just started listening to true crime. I like that it makes me feel more prepared against the dangers out there.
Saw the interview you did about your brother and how it impacted your life. You deserve happiness. Hope the love and kindness of good people in the world keeps finding its way to you. Namaste!
My Dad told me to always ask for ID, and to take a photo of it with my phone before allowing anyone into my home or car. Hell, when my kid goes on a date I make sure to get a quick snap of their plates before they drive off with my daughter.
Movies have always romanticized the judge’s statement to Bundy at the end of the FSU trial, and tbh I was tranced too. Glad I heard you guys shoot down that immediately.
I had no idea that Bundy may have had victims literally in the town next to mine. I'm from South NJ and when I heard girls found between AC and Somers Point, my stomach dropped out of my entire body. My exit on the GSP is between the AC and Somers Point exits. I wonder if I drive past where they were found every day....
I have watched endless ted bundy videos and didnt know half of what was presented in this vidoe. David is a phenomenal writer and your a truly amazing narrator. Great work! Offically a huge fan of you and your channel! Thanks for the deep dive!
Lol were you watching reels about him, bc most of this was familiar to me. Maybe your brain just tried to protect you by not retaining the horror. 🤷🏿♂️
Me and my family were living in Ogden Utah in 1974. I was 3 years old when this horrid man was attending UofU and being evil... Simon, you are doing an excellent job.. I feel so sorry for those young women and their families.😕
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Simon: A deep dive into the phenomenon of women being attracted to murderers & prisoners might make a good *Into the Shadows* episode!
Simon, I have an idea for all of your trying to say the word 'effortlessly' more, _effortlessly._
Remember, ' *Effort Lesley* '
..and that, Lesley is your ' *_effort-buddy_* ' !!
" *effort ⦦ lesley* "
" *eff ⦦ ort ⦧ les ⦦ ley* "
" *ef ⦦ fert ⦧ les ⦦ lee* "
" *eh ⦦ firt ⦧ les ⦦ lee* "
" *eh ⦦ frt ⦧ lus ⦦ lee* "
⇀ ╶ ⇀
*eh ⸱ frt ⸱ luh ⸱ slee*
I can’t wait till they are finished with the construction in and round’ your home either,because then you can turn the mic up so I can hear you much better than now.
I think he meant to add a zero to the end, not a one at the front.
** SERIOUS WARNING** Maybe 10 years ago my mother was working at a store with a large parking lot and she got out late. A man was trying to get something into his SUV trunk. He asked for her help. My mom, being a 2nd generation Crime addict, said “I can’t, but I will call security to come help” …and then this man suddenly got the item he was having “trouble” with into this car and ZOOMED off leaving my mother shaken to the core with what could have been. THIS STILL HAPPENS. DONT LET SOMEONE PULL SOME BUNDY BS ON YOU!!! Stay safe!
I know it's been 30+ years but I had a 12 yo cousin raped and murdered by a serial killer. She was told her mom was in the hospital and he was a friend assigned to pick her up, rather than take the bus. All it takes is one wrong decision and you end up in a bad spot. I'm glad your mother was safe. Even then, the experience doesn't leave her, just as losing my cousin changed us all. There's no making sense of it all in any reassuring way, but I do appreciate the approach of CC.
@quart XX IV, your mother was very mindful of her surroundings and very perceptive. She did an EXCELLENT job, and it sounds like, raised a wise daughter that pays attention and learns also! 🤗🙏🏻
@@lylecoglianese1645 yep! 3rd generation Crime addict here! I want to live in a kinder world but I’ll help you by calling security or police and that’s about it 🫤
@@bradharrah3339 that’s horrible! I’ve always felt 12 was the age that all the bad guys really come out of the woodwork. I hope your family has been able to “heal” as best as one can by integrating the experience into their lives and never forgetting her.
My parents said only my aunt or grandmother would come get me and to otherwise run to the nearest establishment and tell an adult to call the police.
@@quartxxiv767, a very wise decision! 🤗
"Ted Bundy co-authored a pamphlet for women on avoiding rape"
Well, irony aside, to be fair if there's anyone who would know how rapists behave and thus how to avoid them, it would probably be Ted Bundy.
Not to sound like conspiracy theorist but what if it's misdirection. A way to make women more vulnerable.
@@allykat5899 conspiracy theorist shouldn't be an insult and you're probably right. I could honestly see him giving bad information to make his crimes easier, but I could totally see him being full of himself enough to tell people how to avoid him so he can feel superior about getting them anyway
@@Infodumptruck yeah he was a narcissist right? That’s definitely what a narcissist would do
@walter badass ?
@walter Ted Bundy was cringe
I remember distinctly because it was only recently, a friend trying to justify her bad relationship to me by saying “but he does have good qualities”.
I said “yes, and Ted Bundy volunteered for a suicide hotline. What’s your point.”
She was too busy laughing to be upset.
@@SantasGAINdeer that’s awful🤦🏽♀️ my mother did the same thing with me growing up. Justifying staying with a physically abusive heroin addict because she thought she could change him🙄 I think we all know someone that’s fallen into that trap🤦🏽♀️
@@squidge6845 also it’s the fear of being alone.I’m sure your mum could’ve found a better partner but it seems to terrify some that they might not.
People need to rely on themselves more and realise that relationships and other people are overrated
Suicide and sexual assault hotline. And wrote a pamphlet about preventing assaults.
That's apparently where my grandfather met him! He volunteered for the same hotline, and my grandmother, as it happens, had long brown hair. We all consider it very lucky that he creeped her the hell out.
It is valuable, though, to remember that even the worst people aren't complete monsters all the time. If it was obvious they were a terrible person all the time, nobody would fall for it. Hope your friend's okay, and doesn't blame herself too much.
You should have mentioned that he also wrote a rape prevention pamphlet
Much like your Dahmer video, this made me realize Bundy's crimes were SO much more horrific than I ever realized, and I already knew they were incredibly heinous. I appreciate you tanking the psychic damage to bring this content to us
I agree! A lot of his pedo & necro crimes seem to be ignored or glossed over in other documentaries.
@artemis5210
Hard to romanticise a demon.
Easy to frame him as like that weird but charming guy.
Unfortunately that’s been the trend with all the “popular” serial killers in the past 20 years or so.
The USA has gone through this weird phase of saying
“It’s inappropriate to talk about such graphic things” to “Holy crap I love true crime”
This has had a very huge impact on these stories that not a lot of people are willing to acknowledge. We have situations where these stories are heavily glossed over due to sensitivity but due to the censorship and explosion of true crime via podcasts and documentaries you find people actually obsessed with these people. Like actually defending their actions because they were “mentally ill”.
This was never made more apparent when the Dahmer series came out and everyone was obsessed with Evan Peters as Jeffery Dahmer. Saying it was cute or trying to defend his actions because the series was from his perspective.
I’ll never forget my ex girlfriend’s little sister who was 15 at the time watching the series(idk why her parents let her) and not even understanding the Jeffery Dahmer was a real person and not based off of other people. I had to explain the actual story and things he did because the show goes through it but it doesn’t make people understand it.
Same with Zach Effron as Ted Bundy.
I would hope to see more education around these people but I’m not holding my breath
this video makes me wonder how many of our elected politicians or people in power are actually psychos. think about it. if someone rich and or powerful really wanted to they could do whatever they want and just pay off the cops smh
I have a friend with congenital psychopathy, she's really cool, actually. She told me, though, that she more simulates emotions than feels them. She knows how to appear like other people because she studies them. She has gotten to the point where she can feel empathy and whatnot, but she can also turn it off. She's one of the smartest and nost down-to-earth people I know. Psychopathy doesn't make you want to kill people, it just makes a murderer not feel guilty about it.
at the end of the day.
everyone can pretend to feel something.
mad, happy, sad etc.
everyone has manipulation skills...
the difference is that psychos have a superior skill of manipulation.
ted bundy didnt have to do much to make victims do what he wanted
Perfect way of summing up the difference.
That's called cognitive empathy
@@sophie4636 Never heard of that, but that totally makes sense!
I will say that this is also one of my most terrifying friends because she's offered to digitally ruin anyone who tries to screw me over with no remorse. It was a joke, but I wouldn't put it past her to actually do it without me ever knowing about it. She's too smart to get caught, not arrogant enough to give herself away, and being able to turn off that empathy switch would guarantee that she doesn't hold back... I know people who make explosives for fun, yet SHE'S the scary one. Really fun conversationalist, though, she can remove most of her bias as well and recognizes what she can't, so you can have some INTENSE conversations with her and she never gets emotional. Also means it takes a lot to piss her off. God help you if you do.
I love how Simon's writers keep adding "effortlessly" to the scripts.
I used to be able to say effortlessly effortlessly...now I have the Simon Effortetlessly Syndrome.
I understand his frustration, my nemesis word is statistics 😩
@@hana_maru22 I have a problem pronouncing Acapulco, and like Simon the more I try to say it correctly the more I mess it up. Sometimes my big brain just stops working.
It’s great. People on his subreddit keep encouraging his writers to use it too. Probably a coincidence, but some of the writers frequent the sub, so you never know.
@@michaelgallagher3640 😅🤣😅👏👏👏
Simon in early CC: listen I just can't get on board with the death penalty
Simon after 100+ episodes: Time to die, Ted!
Me too 😂
Surround yourself with horror and you start to become.. cold.
I went to sleep and you're still there
@@falconmclenny7284 some people deserve to die, others don’t that’s my opinion, some people are just cruel and evil, and for those kinds of people they deserve the death penalty.
LOL
I love the fact that Simon tells us who wrote the script at the start because at this point it's almost like a rating system. The Callum and Matt scripts are equal in humor and seriousness, the others more on the facts than on humor, and then there's David. Anytime it's a David script you know it's going to be longer and a bit more brutal than usual and I know that I can't listen to it while my mum is in the car with me lol.
Agreed. I usually listen with earbuds while doing dishes or folding laundry. Saw today's video & thought "I don't have that many dishes or clothes." 😂
> I know that I can't listen to it while my mum is in the car with me
I genuinely lolled at this. xD
@@stacyrussell460 Iv been needing my stairway painted
@@swingshift. that should do it. Two coats of primer & two coats of whatever color you choose 😂
Thank you for the compliment! I do enjoy adding a bit of levity to scripts if I can. Though I will admit there are gonna be a couple scripts coming up that are a touch on the serious side, so I hope you enjoy those too!
Fun fact, I was classified as a Congenital Psychopath when I was younger. Had to go to a therapist after what was supposed to be a traumatic experience. While I may not have empathy for people the way others have told me it works I was taught a kind of puesdo empathy. If I feel the situation calls for it I will litteraly think of what if a situation happened to me and I didn't act like I normally would. Doesn't work 100% of the time and sometimes I do come off as a bit off to people. I can however just not do it if I feel it would be better in the situation. It's rare that happens though.
Before anyone asks, no I have no feelings of needing to kill others although having no empathy can help in a fight. I have not killed any animals for entertainment. The only times where for food or self defense. Yes I have been in relationships but most ended because of reasons other than the lack of empathy although I expect it was a sizeable factor. No, I will not turn out like Ted because he was more extreme, didn't get help as a child, and had other mental issues effecting him.
It's sad how people assume different disorders mean one has homicidal tendencies.
This is why I am so fervently against pathologizing certain behaviors (calling an abuser a narcissist, calling a criminal a psychopath, etc). The only thing it does is make people with those personality disorders less likely to pursue help and stigmatizes them further
Finally... I'm not alone with "This".
Either I'm a literal demon or trying to be a "tough guy".
Like the concept of a self aware psychopath just cannot exist.
I can want what is best for my daughter, without having to give a single solitary f!ck about the rest of humanity. Does that mean I want to go out of my way to hurt people? Nope. But will I have any regrets if I were to post-abort a sh!t stain like Ted Bundy? Nope, in fact, I'll sleep better and smile as I conk out.
Awww, he's a "person" and killing is just wrong? F!ck you for defending him. Folks like that need killing, so they can't do it again, nor relive all of their "triumphs".
At the end of the day, all of us are "psycho" to some degree. But nobody wants to admit that. But really think about the thoughts you have about people when you are furious... The violence that floods your mind when you hear somebody hurt a child, and how you just want to decimate that pedophile. But that's normal, right? If you don't feel that, then YOU'RE the one that is busted. Not us functional psychos. It should feel the same as crushing a roach, a bedbug, or just taking out the trash. PROTECTING your own.
Or think of a trend, any trend, and then you're accused that that trend marks you as dangerous. Let's use alcohol as an example. If you only get drunk at home, but somebody on the news gets into a car accident and kills 4 people... does that make YOU the problem? No, because you never drove intoxicated. But now you're always branded as "dangerous". That's us Functional Psychopaths being stuck with Dangerous Psychopaths. If gender can be a damn spectrum, then so can the mind, being not so simple as to lump everything in one pot.
People want a bad guy. And because it's easy for everybody, we get caught in all the flak as a collective, when it was really just a handful of evil bastards as unofficial spokesmen.
It's great that you got such help and very brave that you talk about this so openly, even though it's sad, that you immediately needed to defend yourself.
Ngl that would be a relationship-breaker, as sharing troubles and such, truly sharing, is such an important part of relationships...
An apparent lack of empathy is also a characteristic of Autism Spectrum Disorders. I'm on the spectrum, and I've also had to learn what you describe as "pseudo empathy." It doesn't come naturally to me, and I have to actively imagine how I would feel in a given situation. Unfortunately, when a person is in a situation that is a direct result of them making illogical, non-rational, or just bad decisions, I have to also actively remind myself that most people can't look at their own behavior through the lens of cold logic. I don't expect people to feel sorry for me, and I don't feel sorry for myself, if I've put myself in a crappy situation through my own actions. In those cases, it's hard for me to even muster that "pseudo empathy."
One time a pair of men came to my door saying they were with the electric company and needed to be let in. They gave me really bad vibes so I told them I had company and now was a bad time and they needed to come back later. Then I shut and locked the door before they could respond.
After I locked the door I realized they hadn’t been in any sort of uniform, not even a shirt with the electric company’s logo on it. And they weren’t carrying tools. I called the electric company and there wasn’t anyone doing work in the area that day.
So I totally agree with you, Simon, always ask for ID.
So glad that you trusted your gut ! It most likely saved your life that day ❤
I was 13 years old and my parents had left to go bowling. It was one of the first times we had been left at home alone-that is my slightly younger sister and I.
A young adult son of a trusted neighbor (who was the area babysitter) unexpectedly knocked on the door and asked if my mom was home. I froze. I had caught him checking me out (eww) a time or two. He looked like that guy from the ‘Victory Auto Wreckers’ commercial. I said, “She’s not able to come to the door.” He asked if he could borrow a flashlight. I shut the curtain and refused to speak to him any longer and hid. I watched from upstairs that he had walked away.
He came back later when my parents were home and asked my mom if he could borrow a shovel. My mom gave him a shovel.
Turns out-that night he and his buddies had robbed and unalived someone in a gated community. He went to jail for life.
👀
His mom was really so nice. Her kids were just the most awful-except for one. Demon spawn.
Simon is spot on about Bundy's revenge against Diane. Everything he did, from learning social cues to studying was all about elevating himself to the point where Diane would find him desirable. He spent years doing all that just for the pleasure of hanging up that phone on her. Narcissism is a powerful thing.
I gotta admit though. That's kinda a baller move. Sounds like Diane couldn't give a damn about him when he was just a regular loser in her eyes. She was only really interested when he got all famous and mingling with the high class. Dating men for their career status is such a bad way to see a relationship. Bundy's revenge was super over the top, but I can't say I feel bad for her for getting slammed like that. At least she didn't get brutally murdered.
@@Michael-zf1ko just imagine that you dated Ted Bundy and he rejects you. I can't imagine how bad that burn is. But seriously I am glad she is okay.
@@Michael-zf1ko Except, Diane was right. He WAS just a regular loser in her eyes. No college degree, no steady job, no real plans for the future, and seemed deeply troubled. Not to mention he was cheating on her. Meanwhile she was graduating college, starting a career, had plans for her future and wanted a partner she saw eye to eye with. Nothing wrong with that. She didn't lie to him, didn't string him along, didn't cheat. She just didn't want to date him anymore so she broke up with him. Again, nothing wrong with that... Then a few years later they meet up again and he's turned his life around. He's in school, has career plans, he has goals and is working hard towards him. Finally, he's living up to his potential and showing that spark that initially attracted her in the first place. Then he pursues her, they get back together, and she probably figures that he just needed some time to mature, figure out what he wanted in life and come into his own power as an adult. If Bundy wasn't such a narcissist, she would have been right. Bundy would have married Diane, graduated law school, and gone on to have the wealthy high society life he always wanted... But he wanted revenge more than he wanted to be happy. Boy, he really showed her, huh?🙄
@@emmagatewood3898 that is a very optimistic interpretation of a lover rejection,and i mean it euphemistically.
@@junichiroyamashita How so?
Fun fact: Ann rule was taken in by bundy, but her dog was totally creeped out by him. Would growl at him and would get protective of Ann when Ted was around. The dog wasn't like that with anyone else
Always trust a dog when they don't like someone
Animals Can sense evil!
Dog smelled the psycho in him
@@libertydensinger3583 Not always. My dad's dog hates me. And yet the mutt still insists that I pet him. While he growls at me.
@@lauratroxel24 Hitler's pet german shepherd would beg to differ
What makes the 2nd escape more shocking is the fact that other inmates told the prison guards they heard Bundy trying to get up in the ceiling but were ignored.
I guess this was before snitches got stitches.
And while they were searching snowbanks for him he was on a plane to Chicago
Those inmates and around 12 guards claim they were paid off.
@@haleyguthrie3113 i always was curious about this. Any guidance I’m where to look?
@@Bluesit32 serial killers are worth the stitches
I am a sociopath. I ruined my life at the age of 19 and was outed at 21 and went through about 13 years of therapy. Now at 37 I have a very small circle of friends, my family, and am married and told my husband about myself when we first started dating within the first couple of months because I wanted to be with him the rest of my life. I have led a normal life, but still have issues that get better with age. Evil is evil. I know a psychopath, and was raised by a psychopath and it’s about control but not about evil unless you have evil in your heart.
Knowing a malignant narcissist closely, what they cannot face more than anything else is public failure or embarrassment. If he was going to fail classes, saying he dropped out because he was choosing his path. Anything that seems plausible and doesn’t indicate failure would be acceptable ways to ditch a plan, business, or project.
Yhea not just that but would he even think he needed the university degree like others did. I'd not be suprised if he thought he was above needing such things and all he needed was to be noticed by the right people, person and they would recognise what a genius he was.
The Deliberate Stranger aired when I was a teenager and Bundy was still alive. It was chilling. You didn't have to list all the victims, or paramours, to understand what a true freak of nature the man was. The one positive I can think of: The Bundy case encouraged law enforcement agencies both state and local to work more closely together, to more readily share information and not be territorial. Bundy was not the first of his ilk but he was one of the most studied by everyone from the common man to the highest levels of law enforcement and journalism.
I watched that when I was a teenager as well. When it first aired. My mom and I thought it would ruin Mark Harmon's career, like everybody would be creeped out seeing him in anything else, lol.
@@MichaelPoage666 He did an amazing job. The polar opposite of NCIS' Leroy Jethro Gibbs, the role which came to define his career.
@@MichaelPoage666 funny thing huh. Harmon had been typecast as a lightweight light humor guy and appeared as basically the same part over and over.
Without Stranger, NCIS would not have happened.
Mark Harmon was chilling, wonderful in the part. I’ll never forget his looks and appearance in the lineup scene, when he gets stopped by the cop scene, and just all of his creepy-weirdness. Great film.
Thanks for not censoring curse words in this one. There's a lot of catharsis in hearing Simon belt out expletives in reaction to a literal monster of a human being. Also, we're all grown-up enough to listen to a true crime podcast, so I think we can handle some little words. Though I do understand the censorship if your income is on the lime, Simon.
Superbly researched and written as well. My heart always breaks when I listen to these.
I’ve heard the only reason why expletives are censored at the start is to prevent demonetisation. Completely understandable as this channel is quality and it’s producers 100% deserve their pay
In case anyone's curious, it's speculated that his daughter was not conceived through sex, but it is thought that his wife smuggled in a condom, where he inserted his "genetic material" and then she smuggled it out when they kissed. I looked up what his daughter was up to nowadays, and got that little bit of information. Oh and his daughter, Rose Bundy, is a complete mystery. Author Ann Rule, wrote a book about him and purposefully didn't go looking for her because, as the daughter of one of the most infamous murderers, she figured she didn't want to be found, and has probably, and understandably, changed her name a very long time ago. But Rule has heard "that Ted’s daughter is a kind and intelligent young woman but I have no idea where she and her mother may live". And that is a level of respect that a lot of people would not have given, but at least one good thing did come from him, and I wish her the best.
I was wondering about her too. Cannot blame her if she did decide to change her name and keep a very low profile. It's difficult enough for relatives of murderers between grappling with what your relative did and society's sometimes shitty treatment of you due to your relation. Can't even imagine what it'd be like to be related to Ted Bundy of all people. Hope wherever she is, she's living a happy and peaceful life.
Children of people like this deserve the right to live their lives never being associated with their monster parents. We don't have the right to know who or where they are.
Source?
Here's the article
Rose Bundy: The True Story Of Ted Bundy’s Daughter Conceived On Death Row
The granddaughter came out on social media and it almost went viral on who she was. It broke my heart a little when her mother worked so hard avoiding the trails of what he left behind
Growing up in Washington it was always terrifying to hear about him. My boyfriend went to University of Washington and one night I was walking by myself in the dark. I never felt my heartbeat so fast thinking about how a psychopath years ago was walk on these same paths.
Bundy was a little while before i was born born but I kinda know what you mean, I live within walking distance of chi omega.
This was hands down the best Ted Bundy commentary I have ever watched. He has been covered so many times that I usually scroll past anything Bundy related but knew the CC would take it to the next level. Well done everyone.
David is the true heavy hitter of the Casual Criminalist. Respect is much deserved for this script and how he covered Gacy and acknowledged the victims.
And Jen, thanks for the spectacular editing as always!
I consider him my mentor for a reason, hands down the best of the bunch!
@@MGscribe I like all the writers on the Casual Criminalist and praise for David is most certainly not meant to devalue the work by any other writer, including yours Matt. I've definitely enjoyed episodes you've written as well.
@@NextEevolution I know my friend! No worries!
I am amazed at how thorough David is. Hope he gets hazard pay. I think the risk of mental and emotional damage earns it. I'm sure that he left details out regarding just what Gacy did with to his victims. And that is saying something regarding what he DID include. And he had to read that. Make notes regarding that.
What I like about him is unlike some other writers he dosen't blugeon us over the head with "We must remember the victims not the killer!", he gives necessary information about both sides
I can't put my finger on exactly why, but that story about how Simon thought some random guy was his boss for six months is perhaps the Simonest story.
😂
Bundy was caught in Pensacola, FL, where he allegedly told the officer "I'm gonna make you famous." The officer was recognized as Policeman of the Year.
I was living there at the time and this was huge news.
I lived next to a Ted Bundy-type guy for many years as a teen. All the hallmarks of a psychopath, unnecessarily violent towards animals, didn't know boundaries, that serial killer stare, short-fuse, and of course add to that a lawyer. He used to creep on me something awful when I was 14, made me very uncomfortable going out of his way to by my friend, then years later I found out he was involved in a case of a girl that was skinned (apparently alive)... and she looked just like I did back then.
Always ALWAYS trust your intuition because it is there for a reason!
Skinned alive? Wtf.
Oh dear god no. Lucky thing he didn't manage to do anything to you.
•_•
Da fuck
Ewwwww that is so creepy! Be careful, if he is still around he seems to have a type.
😂😂
The fact that people actually idolise Ted Bundy, especially when they have heard all the utterly heinous things he did to all those women and children, makes me sick and angry in ways I rarely have before. Anyone who does idolise this wretched monster needs to be watched closely, cos there is definitely something Bundy level wrong with them too!
There are still girls and women who think Bundy is charming and there is even fanfiction about it. It is sick. This man was a monster and I can not understand how anyone can look at the photo's after his arrest and not see an insane failure of a human being.
You should see the fan girls on Chris Watts.
Oh yea I'm sure, you would have called Ted Bundy a monster and a failure of a human man! If you would have fallen prey to him! He would have had you crying and screaming like a little B I T C H...
They then also have the audacity to be like "oh but I could fix him". Like no honey, you can't. Nobody can. If anything, if he had met you, you would have ended up as yet another pile of bones in the woods. You ain't special, at least not the kind of special that can drastically change the very roots of a serial killer.
lot to learn from this
I don't know how comments on here keep referring to him as a human being.
I don't know how this can, scientifically speaking, be considered human.
I was on a walk this morning, and I passed a bald man with glasses. Naturally, I assumed it was Simon, but it must have been Moby. Simon was evidently busy posting this video at the time. On a related note, I'd like to thank Ted Bundy for making me afraid to walk (or sleep, or just exist) by myself. "The Stranger Beside Me" was my first Ann Rule book, and I've read far too many since then.
I hate that this is the situation that we are in but im convinced we can change it. Statistically we are not at risk for any number of crimes especially things like death by serial killers or rape by a stranger. Ive been attacked randomly at night yet im a dude so I kinda understand how it feels knowing that others dont grasp that your feelings/actions regarding these fears are completely valid regardless of the rare chance of their occurence.
Whenever I see a broken down car with an obvious issue like a flat tire or they have the corresponding signal out for the issue theyre experiencing.
Those signals being like: Gas gap door left open or gas can placed somewhere visible if youre out of gas, Need a jump start? Pop hood, leave open, and dangle jumper cables over side of hood, flat tire? Lay tire against rear of car. These are all clear signs that will make me feel comfortable with stopping assuming I can help with those specific issues.
Otherwise I just keep driving. Some people want to wait for AAA, which is fine but their vehicle is also a danger being on the side of the road or highway. Anyhow what Im getting at is that we as the bad ass intelligent beings that we are are capable of discussing these issues in order to help one another. There are FAR more people who want to stop in order to help the broke down car than there are people who want to attack the broken car(the driver, i mean lol.)
So would you talk about your experiences walking? what would make you more comfortable? Ive heard of gals leaving one side of the side walk when a guy walks on the other and vice versa. Is that helpful for you? Or suspicious? thanks for taking the time to read my crappy grammar.
Simon up to replace Morgan Freeman in the next Bruce Almighty 🤣
Innocent mistake. You can usually now identify Simon by his ‘send him to the chair’ t-shirt
I loved Ann Rule
@@titaniusanglesmith9690, thank you for sharing and for listening! I live in a safe place, and I've only been in a couple of truly scary situations, all of which turned out relatively well. I just maintain awareness of my surroundings and always have a weapon on me, even if it's just mace. I don't go out at night, and I usually have someone with me if I'm away from town. It's life. These people ruin it for the rest of us. What can ya do.
A sad but true safety tip I heard was "A man will never ask a woman for help." If one does stay on high alert. Hopefully one day this tip won't be true but for now...
Wow, this fucked me up. It's totally true, I can't believe I never thought of it like that
agreed
I read this comment and got creepy goosebumps....so true 😢
Unless it has something to do with kids but yeah I get what u mean
Really? Why not. Surly it depends on the time, place and what you need help with. Yes it's highly unlikely that a man would ask a woman with something physical but wasn't that the point of Bundy wearing a sling or pretending some injury?
This though is definitely, definitely something that woman should think about and be careful if they are ever in such a situation. It's also even more definitely something you should tell your kids. Now there really is no good reason for an adult stranger, either male or female to ask a child for help. It's just not something that is adult will do or need to do for any good reason.
This is one that hits close to home (quite literally) for my family. We lived on FSU family housing during this time, as my father was a student. There are two situations that involved my family. One, my father was mistakenly identified as Bundy. A campus police officer tried to arrest my father because he fit Bundy's description and he thought my dad had a club. My dad was leaving a nearby building. The 'club' was a red tipped cane. My father was blind. The second story is bone chilling. After Bundy's arrest, my sister recognized him as the strange man who approached her to help him get something in his car. He was wearing a cast and my sister was exactly his type. She said he made the hairs stand on the back of her neck, but her friend came along and she was able to ditch him. I remember how she screamed and shaked when she saw him on the news.She gave a deposition for the trial as she was underage (17) at the time. I don't know if that deposition was actually used during the trial in any way. We celebrated at home the day he met Ol' Sparky.
Good god! That’s crazy! So, so glad to hear she survived her encounter with TB! I hope she was able to get some counseling. I know I’d be having nightmares for years…
That's nuts. Yeah, people, especially women, trust your instincts. I've known so many girls who've been through some of the hardest stuff because they have a hard time drawing boundaries or taking themselves seriously so they go with the danger even though they have this feeling that it's not right. Let me take this opportunity to say: screw your confidence or lack thereof, just be willing to draw the line and be like no I'm not going with you, no I don't need a ride, etc.
Scary!
Yea sure
I knew two of his victims (Naslund and Brenda Ball), not well but acquainted. My sister met Bundy and shook his hand (he was volunteering with her best friend's mom, Ann Rule), they were going out for the evening and checked in with Ann, on Capitol Hill in Seattle. He actually told them ''be safe out there.' Brenda's sister Debbie was a friend of mine in high school. Brenda was absolutely gorgeous. Debbie ended up taking her own life with a rifle. Tragic.
I like quotes from survivors, too. It’s so interesting to see where their head was at. Like, how she mentioned her duvet was new. It obviously wasn’t her biggest concern, but there’s an implication that she’s bothered they were ruined *because* they were new. Like, attack aside…these sheets are. new. and he’s just ruined them in the worst way humanly possible.
A lot of people who lived in North Florida at the time of Ted Bundy’s execution had Fry Ted Bundy parties, we all turned off the lights to make sure the prison had the power to fry his ass at the time of his execution. We knew turning off the lights wouldn’t affect the power but we took that time to remember those he killed.
Simple people do simple things 🤤
@@BergyTheGhost Poor thing, did no one come to your birthday parties when you were a kid? I hate to tell you this but when your mommy said they were just jealous she was lying to you, it was really because they didn’t like you.
Ok boomer. As expected, a simple comeback. At least be relevant. I know to set my expectations low for you seeing as you are from Florida but at least try
@@BergyTheGhost If you’re going to attack someone’s intelligence you should at least use proper contractions and correct punctuation in your sentences. It’s like the old quote, “It’s better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you’re a fool than to open it and remove all doubt”, Mark Twain.
@@Sandy.J.Lloyd.Sr. he must be a Bundy fan
Me, as a woman, hearing Simon say women shouldn't pick up hitchhikers... yup, that seems like sound advice👍
Something my Dad always said.
Then… why is your thumb out?
Me, as a viewer, reading this comment… yup, that seems like a good comment 👍🏻
Or have a gun on you. You don't have to live scared if you can protect yourself
I remember the last time my dad picked up a hitchiker with my very young sister and myself were in the middle seat of his dodge ram truck... He asked if i wanted to sit on his lap, I said no. I was 6.. My sister told my mom and the dude was in our town crime report for assault the week later. My mom freaked..and im glad it wasn't a bad outcome. :/
I used to work for Pensacola Police Department, and Ted Bundy was always used as an example of how a "simple" traffic stop is never simple, and you never know who you will stop. It was also a great example of inter police cooperation. PPD gave Tallahassee Sheriff's all the help they asked for and didn't ask for. It wasn't unusual for departments to just do their own thing and screw the other guy. In the department foyer in Pensacola is David Lee's patrol uniform, Bundys mugshot, fingerprint card, and a few news articles. Last I saw they also had his arrest report in there too.
My father was shot in the line of duty in Deming New Mexico a few weeks before I was born. His murder was found innocent becuase after getting shot in the face with a shotgun, my father would have been unable to shoot back. Since he got a shot off, it was found he was the aggressor and shot first. Later, the murder was shot dead by Florida police. So thanks for that.
Departments not working together was part of how Ted got away with it for so long. He'd drop the body in one jurisdiction, the clothes in another, the murder weapon in another, etc. And since they weren't really communicating no one put it together until he was already caught.
I love the fact you give each victim their own "chapter". good on you, jen!
The point in this video that this all became more real to me was when Aspen, Colorado was mentioned. I used to go to aspen every winter break with my family to ski, and recognizing the names of locations that are mentioned is genuinely terrifying, because I know that when I visualize those locations, that’s what those things actually look like. This man is an absolute monster.
I swear The Casual Criminalist's writers must have a secret pool going on on who will inflict the most horrible trauma and be able to finally make Simon break and go insane!
It's their best shot at escaping Simon's basement
I hope he records lots of nice, fun videos in-between these big, horrible ones. Some silly conspiracy theorist nonsense for Decoding the Unknown, or lighter Biographics/Geographics or somesuch.
I thought Pedro Lopez was gonna break him, I think Luis Garavito might when he gets to that one.
I think whoever wrote the Pedro Lopez script may have already won that one. He still mentions how that one messed him up during almost every Casual Criminalist video.
@@bzhang438 And this would be why Simon is too scared to trap David in his basement.
I accidentally creeped out a hitchhiker I picked up because the conversation turned to serial killers and I started telling him about ways to dispose of bodies. He asked to be dropped off near a bus stop, and I feel like he decided to pay for a safe trip instead of taking his chances with a stranger
Haha, I literally LOL'd at your comment! That'll teach him to think twice about hitchhiking, huh?
that's too funny
Sad part is I'm kinda like you, I'll rant about how dumb criminals are with their cover stories or how they could have gotten rid of the bodies better. 🤣 My mom finds it hilarious how I shout at the TV when watching true crime shows like the FBI files or lately, Murder Maps.
@@brendatidwell3423 Murder Maps is narrated by the legendary Fred Dinage, though, right?
IMHO, he's got the kind of voice that totally invites you to yell back at the screen; he's just so darned engaging and conveys such passion in his narration! I absolutely talk back to Fred, as well! 😅
Whoa, rereading your comment suddenly reminded me of an experience I had years ago whilst living in a very large city: I once met a group of 3 law students whilst listening to a street protestor, and we ended up chatting for a good bit of time before realizing that we all needed to travel to the same general area to run errands. So, we walked off together, still chatting together. At some point, they asked what I did, and I told them about how I was studying forensic & criminal psychology. They all just stared at me for a few seconds before mumbling stuff to the effect of "oh, um, that's, um... interesting."
Over the course of the next few minutes, they chatted to me less drifted further and further away, until eventually I realized they'd silently just snuck out if the store. When I ran into them again a few months later, they came right out and said, "We all suddenly realized that you were doing exactly what a serial killer would do to try and earn our trust, and it freaked us out!" LOLOLOL!
I started school in the mid-80's, teenager in the 90's.
It wasn't before I learned about Ted Bundy that I understood why I was told as a teen NEVER to hitchhike with a stranger.
And I'm from Norway.
Yeah ... being from Washington state ... the history is not very pleasant. No place is perfect but crime sprees of killers have over lapped at times, making it even more dangerous.
same here live in the UK
It was actually hearing about Edmund Kemper that did it for me!
Oddly enough, my dad actually had a fraternity brother who was the victim of an attempted SA whilst hitchhiking (the poor guy actually had to kick out the window and jump through it out of a moving car because the driver had removed the doorhandles and window control!! Soooo scary!) but for whatever reason/s nothing really made it sink in like reading about Ed Kemper.
Love it how Simon frequently struggles with his humanity and questions whether he is a truly terrible person for either being stimulated by or apathetic toward such graphic violence, then reliably dismisses it and gets back to the graphic violence. Simon is all of us. We're all truly terrible. I feel seen.
I see you 👀 and have thus reviled myself
Good recap! We all think of actions we’ve taken in the past, I used to hitchhike to school a fair amount in the early ‘70s (not anywhere near Bundy of course) but just thank goodness nothing ever happened!
Watching your vids while I have a boring task to do, it’s helping!
Yes, David!! “Effortlessly” right at the very start - giving us what we want 😆😆
Edit: Also, my mom and aunt went to high school with him in Tacoma. Apparently my aunt went on a date with him once but didn’t like him 😅
My aunt was on a student council in her senior year at WSU and he was the speaker. Said he gave her the creeps, faculty wouldn't let him take individual students to lunch. I also toured UW in high-school and some of the spots he killed students had memorial posts.
Your aunt didn't like that total catch? Shocker XD
My best friend's aunt was on a date with Serial Killer Jack Unterweger. He creeped her out so much, that she called her brother to take him home. She has a terrible Taste in man. I always wonder how bad the vibe was he gave off, that this one time she saw the Red Flag.
The downside of Bundy being executed was that there are still so many families that won't get any answers. My aunt is one of Bundy's suspected victims, but my family will never really know. She was 16, matched his M.O and was murdered when he was active in Seattle (she was killed in Lynnwood, about 30 minutes north of the U district). Nancy's case is still open.
Good lord, that’s insane. I’m so sorry for your loss, all the condolences
@@MGscribe Thank you. Unfortunately everyone that knew her have all passed. She had her baby sister (my stepmother who was born after her death) and then us. My grandfather died 5 years ago, never knowing who killed his daughter. But we keep her memory alive and still check in with the cold case detective assigned to her case.
Oh that’s awful. I’m so sorry to hear that. 😢 But unfortunately he just said that to string officials (and families) along. I don’t believe he would have let any information out. It was just a ploy. 😢🤗
This is something that I never understood: the american justice system being so obsessed with killing inmates they dont even care about their open cases. Absolutely disgusting, those poor families. Im so sorry!
@@whitneyr.846 I would have granted his request, for this very reason. I wouldn’t have given him years, say 6 months, but other families needed answers. My condolences for your family.
At 1:49:25 he asks why the judge was "taken in" by Ted Bundy, talking about how he could've been a great lawyer, and all I could think of was Obi Wan telling Anakin "You were the chosen one! You were supposed to destroy the Sith, not join them!"
There is an important destinction between lacking empathy and being a psychopath. There are several disorders in which it is hard for the person to understand what others are feeling. The important distinction of a psychopath is that they do not care what the other person feels, even though they can often name the emotion of other perfectly.
You’re the first person I’ve heard remark on the judges comments, well done. It was so sickening, the judge should have dealt very differently with this monster.
Let's go Fact boy
Go where?
Fun fact there are 12 to 30 active at any Givin time with likelihood number being much higher
Let’s not be fans of Ted Bundy dude
Let's go smoke crack 🥴
@@ethanniedorowski116 That's a lot of fact boys.
Regarding Bundy’s acolytes, there is another youtuber who repeatedly says, “Get👏🏻better👏🏻idols👏🏻”. I fervently agree.
I love her!!!!!!! MM&M!!!!!!
@@DeathByBlonde1 Jax?
@@Liquessen Bailey S
Ahh, I thought the abbreviation was for Movie, Myths, and Monsters.
Love Bailey and Simon. They're both really good at what they do.
I’m from a small town in Northern Utah, when Bundy moved to SLC my moms best friend, let’s call him “R”, from childhood was one of Bundys buddies at the U of U. He even ended up taking Bundy to church with him on Sundays and got him baptized into the LDS church.
He was a chameleon. He fit in well into many places
Just got to the part when he was assessing Diane's suitability as a girlfriend.
My 90s child head started singing "Ted don't like girls, Ted likes cars and money" 😂
Simon, I love your genuine and charismatic nature, bruh. Keep it up. I have subbed almost all your channels because I find nearly all of it fascinating, truly. Thank you, man! I wish you and your WHOLE CREW the best.
My absolute favorite true crime novel is Ann Rules "A Stranger Beside Me". The fact that she was a friend of his before he was suspected of his crimes gave an amazing insight and perspective in the book.
And Mark Harmon as Bundy in the film adaptation.
Mark Harmon as Ted Bundy is the reason my mother hated Mark Harmon and never watched anything he ever did after that.
Personally, that was one of my fave serial killer movies... that and Steve Railsback as Charles Manson in Helter Skelter in 1976 mini-series.
She was amazing and I got to speak with her for hours at a Sammamish Fred Meyer after she wrote Green River Killer.
@@dennish3962 wow Very cool
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Yeah, I did the magazines there and she had a book signing and no one showed up so I had her all to myself. I truly believe she was the best true crime writer ever. Neat meeting one of your favorite authors. Her daughter writes as well. Sad that she is gone.
This is just what I needed to put me to sleep, the soothing voice of the Whistler being traumatised by his own channels content, thanks Fact Boi 💜
I'm definitely here, in part, just to watch Simon get traumatized by his own channel.
It's fascinating how it's much more soothing to listen to Simon on CC than almost any other channel he has, in my opinion. I usually actively listen to every episode of CC while doing housework, but then I'll put on one of the long ones to sleep when my partner has the nightshift, cause I fall asleep easier this way... :D
Personally, Into the shadows is better for me to help me fall asleep.
Crepe
I just want to clarify that it doesn't put me to sleep out of boredom or anything, it's just he has a great narration voice.
If TH-cam stops paying the bills, this man should definitely get on to reading audiobooks cause I'd buy the shit out of those.
I saw “Deliberate Stranger” when it first aired in 1986. For two decades, nothing featuring Mark Harmon would be viewed by me; his performance was so chilling. It is nice to hear that version receive some
Critical validatiom.
When Simon started talking about Ann Rule working with Ted Bundy at the suicide hotline, I went "that name sounds familiar." And looked up and realized I have one of her books on my table in the "to be read" pile.
Found out recently one of my aunt’s high school friends was a Bundt victim, and my mother was part of the same sorority he attacked in Florida.
Do not ever let them take you to a second location if there is anyway you can help it!!!! You are way more likely to meet a gruesome fate at a second location than maybe being shot or stabbed making a fuss and screaming while they are trying to take you! Fight like hell and try your hardest to get away! They are most likely trying to get you to go quietly anyway and it may spook them if you make a spectical of them.
My dad told me he distinctly remembers the day Bundy was executed. Apparently he had written down the time and watched the clock in school and counted down the seconds until his scheduled execution and he remembers thinking to himself, “That bastard’s dead.” He was a freshman at the time.
Your dad lied because he was executed at night
Love it. You and your writes always dig deeper than even big documentaries and your delivery is always on spot Simon
I was just thinking how odd it is that a true crime "podcaster?" knows absolutely nothing about the subject. 😂 I do agree he's a great narrator, though.
I just finished reading 'The Prince of Darkness', Liz Kloepfer's book about Bundy. I didn't know he was having a full-on affair during the trial with a member of his legal team, his lawyer's receptionist. In FULL view of Liz AND Carol.
that woman's name is Ann Swenson I saw a few pictures of her on facebook.
What if I told you all I was completely indifferent about ted until you told me that. Cheating is super evil people 🤷
my sister is bipolar, and she Developed a lack of empathy due to lead poisoning as a child. This brought along incestual bahavior, physical abuse and an inabilityt to conceptualize another person's pain. Safe to safe i had a rough childhood because of her. But she never went on to murder ppl. She delved into drugs and sex addiction which led to gambling and inability to care for her children. Which still impacts me to this day as an adult. So no, not all ppl with a lack of empathy kill people, but they do harm the people in their lives in one way or another.
I’ve watched multiple videos and read books about Bundy, and this has a wealth of information - things I never knew before. Well done on the script!
Ohhh scheisse, two vids dropped on two of my favorite channels of the Whistlerverse, thanks Simon and Co. 🍻
I need a t-shirt with WHISTLEVERSE on it
@@Falhaes same! I would wear the hell out of it. 😅
Diane's long hair was a trigger for Bundy's choice of victims. Lots of hair cuts in my life during his most productive years.
The murder frenzy is like what addicts do to get more drugs. They aren't thinking, they are just doing anything they think might get them their next high.
I went to a high school with 1,500 students, there were definitely at least 15 psychopaths.
Bullshit
Simon: A deep dive into the phenomenon of women being attracted to murderers & prisoners might make a good *Into the Shadows* episode!
It's such a weird mental process.
Seriously...what is wrong with people. There are quite of bit of men whom murdered or abused kids and the moms STILL advocate and want to be with these men. Crazy!
Yeah, it blows my mind! Heck- the one time my kids' dad lost his temper at our then-toddler to the point that it appeared he was going to start hitting our kid, I literally put my own body between my ex and our toddler, and made it VERY clear that if he wanted to physically strike my child he'd have to go through me.
I am not one of those women lol
There's a medical term for that but it's 6am and my brain quit working about an hour ago. If you have to have insomnia, Simon is the best companion for a sleepless night.😳
I love when you get good ones like this and don't hold nothing back. Awesome job Simon and crew!!!!
When the judge passed down the death penalty to Bundy, & said what he said he wasn't referring to Bundy as a person - the judge was disappointed that such intelligence of a person was wasted on a person such as Bundy.
Idk the judge also visited him in prison so...
I've been watching quite a bit of these over the last month or so, and the number of times Simon struggles with the world effortlessly is honestly so funny to me 😂.
When POS was attempting to tempt young women to assist him with his non-existant sailboat, there were at least two calls to police. At least one said there was "this creepy *old* guy" trying to get young women to go with him. That's always given me a snide sense of satisfaction.
What a TREAT!!! 2 hours of Dr Dave and Simon!! David always writes such good scripts and I am always excited when we get one!! Thanks for all the hard work Dave!!!!
The family of Debbie Kent, the Viewmont High student, had a small scholarship fund for theatre students at the school. I remember all the rumors we heard about Bundy in school, even though he'd been dead for years. One of my uncles went to school with her and remembered her as a nice girl.
Wow… a big one. Interested in what research David found. I love that this channel digs deeper than a lot of other ones out there.
One of my wifes co-workers was a student at Viewmont and was asked out by Bundy but she turned him down because she thought he was out of her league
Only at 1:02:38 - Laura Aime (Pronounced Amy) was not found for years. She was the cousin of my high school sweetheart. The family was so relieved when she was finally found and they could lay her to rest. 💔 also, a friends mother is only alive because she literally threw herself out of his moving car because he wouldn’t stop where she asked him to after he picked her up hitch hiking. She later recognized him when his face started turning up on the news… I can’t remember her age, but it was when she was in her teens, before my friend was born. I’m so glad my friend (and her mom) are here today. ❤
To David: I've seen many Ted Bundy videos on TH-cam over the years. Your work on this subject is the best I've ever come across. Your research was top notch. The way you presented all the information in your script was amazing! I'm looking forward to more CasCrim scripts from you.
And to Simon: I truly enjoy these long deep dives into infamous crimes. Also, I like the way you mock America. In a lot of cases you're not wrong.😉
I also like his humour, he’s making a light of everything which kinda mocks the victim’s and the seriousness of Ted’s crime. So he must be a narcissist and psychopathic himself 😊
A suggestion for a video: The Cédrika Provencher case. It has everything: a mysterious kidnapping, police incompetence, conspiracy and more police incompetence. The case is still unresolved today, no matter the vast energy deployed by the police, but they fixated on the wrong suspect, ignored everything else and focused to corner him, but they never managed to get anything to link him to the case. All that on the hunch that the guy is guilty because he refused to submit to the polygraph.
All for more thorough investigations before handing down a death sentence, but I have to say Ted lived longer than he should have by a long stretch
Didn't the police get a search warrant for Bundy's mouth to make sure they could get a cast of his teeth legally?
I remember Ted Bundy's execution like it was yesterday. I lived in Tampa, Florida and while I was only in grade school I knew something big was happening. Every single morning during the lead up to Bundy's execution you could hear Mason Dixon on Q105 in the morning singing we're gonna fry him good. My father would actually sing along and at times he would laugh at this macabre but well deserved song.
The morning of his execution my father was listening to Mason Dixon hanging on his every word as he stated Ted rode the lightening and was D-E-A-D. They had a new song with a chorus that sang "Ted is Dead" and everyone loved it. That day was like a never ending party and even my teachers were cheering. I have never seen anything like that before or after in my life. It was like for one moment in time, everyone, everywhere came together to give that cretin the middle finger and I am very proud that my state sent him too Hell in a hand basket. We don't play games here in Florida...
I would love a Casual Criminalist on The Zodiac Killer. Bundy was a charasmatic piece of work. To call him a monster is putting it nicely. I just don't understand how someone can stand by him after all the evidence presented. I'm sure there are more victims of his we don't know about.
So his girlfriend was suspicious that he was the Killer, yet she still kept allowing him into her home around her Daughter?
My guess is some SERIOUS levels of Stockholm Syndrome, or even more simply, an overwhelming amount of terror. Can you imagine suspecting your partner of being a serial killer, and telling the police, and the next day he is sleeping in your house again?? These days we understand the psychology of why abused women don't/can't leave abusive relationships. She would be a textbook example.
Or that she didn't really have any where else to go, and didn't want to let on she knew what he was, lest he murder her and her daughter. I can't imagine being in that position, but on the other hand, if you are seemingly "safe" in the status quo, why risk changing it?
Based on interviews with her (Liz, his longtime ex-GF) that I've seen, it seems like she kept telling herself that she was being paranoid and silly, and that she really just wanted reassurance from the police that it *couldn't* be her boyfriend Ted.
In my experience as a true crime junkie, I've read and heard about a similar phenomenon multiple times: wives, GFs and partners will call the police not because they actually believe on any conscious level that their partner is truly a murderer, but more because they realize there are so many unavoidable similarities between the unknown killer and their partner that they worry other people might get suspicious. And, since they can't begin to imagine that their partner is actually a killer, they want to be able to definitively be told by police "No, he's not the guy" so they can have peace of mind as well as protect their partner from rumors and suspicion.
Cant wait for Zodiac Killer episode!
These Casual Criminalist episodes are slowly becoming my favorite part of the day.
That's more a deep mystery than a true crime. We may never, ever know who the Zodiac Killer was.
Thank you David for never holding back in your scripts! Sometimes the other scripts seem to try to be a bit lighthearted for Simon’s sake and it can feel like they’re doing a disservice to the victims in that way and shying away from the depravity of the killer by doing that. Also Simon, I think we should all agree to NEVER hitchhike EVER.
These long form videos on Bundy, Gacey & Kemper have been great the writing has been really detailed, and performed with that unique pizazz that Simon brings to each video.
Would be great to see a video one day on Gary Ridgway
I live in Alaska and I love hearing the cases you've done on criminals in my state. By chance, have you thought of doing one on Robert Hansen, the butcher baker? I know he's been presented a lot, but I feel that this channel goes beyond the most well known facts and delves deeper than most channels I've seen before, and I'd love to hear your team's take on it.
That case, along with Israel Keyes, always scared the living crap out of me: Alaska has some *seriously* scary serial killers and violent criminals!! (It is gorgeous m though- I'd love to visit again someday!)
If you haven't seen it yet, he did do a butcher baker episode 4 months ago.
People in true crime circles continue to blame Diane for Bundy's behavior like he wasn't a serial cheater and abuser
Just ridiculous.. considering he seems to have killed before he even met her.
I suppose it could be said that his victim choices were her fault in a round about sort of way.
When I was a kid, I used to get Ted Bundy and Al Bundy mixed up
I love and agree with the previous comment on how great and varied the script writers are. Jenn's edits rock too. I love the cuts she adds when you say her name. Lol. Glad I discovered this channel. I've only just started listening to true crime. I like that it makes me feel more prepared against the dangers out there.
Saw the interview you did about your brother and how it impacted your life. You deserve happiness. Hope the love and kindness of good people in the world keeps finding its way to you. Namaste!
My Dad told me to always ask for ID, and to take a photo of it with my phone before allowing anyone into my home or car. Hell, when my kid goes on a date I make sure to get a quick snap of their plates before they drive off with my daughter.
Man, the irony of how hard it always is for Fact Boi to say "effortlessly" is just too good
It should honestly be a part of his merch at this point, it's right up there with allegendly lol
Love that the word he has the most trouble with is "effortlessly." Sweet, sweet irony.
Movies have always romanticized the judge’s statement to Bundy at the end of the FSU trial, and tbh I was tranced too. Glad I heard you guys shoot down that immediately.
I had no idea that Bundy may have had victims literally in the town next to mine. I'm from South NJ and when I heard girls found between AC and Somers Point, my stomach dropped out of my entire body. My exit on the GSP is between the AC and Somers Point exits. I wonder if I drive past where they were found every day....
I have watched endless ted bundy videos and didnt know half of what was presented in this vidoe. David is a phenomenal writer and your a truly amazing narrator. Great work! Offically a huge fan of you and your channel! Thanks for the deep dive!
Lol were you watching reels about him, bc most of this was familiar to me. Maybe your brain just tried to protect you by not retaining the horror. 🤷🏿♂️
My son has bipolar and antisocial personality disorder. 😣
He is doing really good now but when he was younger.. it was very very difficult.
Me and my family were living in Ogden Utah in 1974. I was 3 years old when this horrid man was attending UofU and being evil... Simon, you are doing an excellent job.. I feel so sorry for those young women and their families.😕
Jen's editing #OnPoint 💯
Great job 👏🏻👏🏻
I used to live next door to the Chi Omega house at FSU. Get some pretty severe chills go up your spine walking by there sometimes. It was eerie.