Everyone's too fixated over Jimmy to listen to that awesome line, which is the theme of the movie repeated over and over: power/ powerlessness and principle/ vigilante/ anarchist.
@@Thehardtruth69 it gets better because the "terrorist" literally saying America isn't going to listen to their own policies because they're powerful "No one is Neutral" Luthor's mercenary: *shows the CIA Tracker* point instantly proven. Its also awesome to note that Luthor planted them there solely to drag superman out there to africa to save Lois because she had an interview. Thus literally sparking the rest of the movie
Zack Snyder's definition of "having fun" with a character is apparently showing said character getting shot in the head and everyone forgetting he ever existed
I think, "having fun" is by having someone calling themselves, "Jimmy Olsen" turn out to be an undercover CIA agent posing as a photographer. I'm not sure how the CIA works but I don't think their undercover operatives generally go around all James Bond like using their real names. So the fun is in taking a character you think you know and having them be someone totally different. It's fun from a storytellers point of view.
Bro grow up that's not real Jimmy Olsen .....this one is fake ,has a tracker in the camera, that CIA agents are basically following him so that they can kill the afghans....Afghan leader after knowing this killed that CIA mole.... Aka fake Jimmy olsen
They killed Jimmy Olsen, they killed Mercy Graves, they made Lex Luthor act like The Riddler, Doomsday looked terrible and rushed, Superman was boring and mopey. Basically, DC took a huge dump on Superman and his lore in this movie to make Batman look good.
I definitely hated how they killed off Jim and Mercy Graves, and I didn't care much for Lex Luthor in this film. But Doomsday was badass imo. Superman well I guess he was a little mopey but what do you expect after he was forced to kill the last of his race and a bunch of civilians exploded right in front of his eyes.
Don't worry, they'll probably pull a Smallville on us and have Jimmy back in the next film, say it's younger brother or cousin following in his steps or something :P
Only had a few minutes of screentime & I already like this Jimmy Olsen more than Mehcad Brook's Jimmy Olsen on the Supergirl TV show. It's unfortunate they killed DCEU's Jimmy Olsen when they just introduced him. :(
People who watched sucks Smallville TV i got nothing to say . Is not even a superheroes TV my reaction in the past will be the reaction that no of my teachers can guess it at movie class and that is sensitive . Fine I feel like not that again but I know Smallville mean different things for Superman .
You would think the CIA would be smart enough to put the tracker somewhere else since I'm pretty sure the camera would be LITERALLY THE FIRST THING THEY WOULD CHECK.
Of course why do they need a tracker since there's a drone monitoring the whole thing to begin with?And that tracker is so obviously a tracker red light included apparently a simpler less conspicuos tracker did not yet exist circa 2016.🤔 Whoever wrote this scene knows at most the cliff notes version of intel gathering. And finally what exactly was the plan here? Before he gets shot Jimmy says in the local language that he can organise an arrangement. So why all the hiding and lying then? Was it a lie just to buy himself more time that failed? Again the writers know very little about actual spying.
@@florinivan6907 the tracker was there because they wanted an exact location of where the General would be. They put it in the camera because its literally the only place it could've been put, Lois and Jimmy were the ticket into finding the General, whats why there was a drone and soldiers moved in 5 minutes later after the operative was killed and they planned to merely drone him after Lois and Jimmy's interview. THE *REAL* PROBLEM was Luthor's best man and the others posing as "hired mercenaries." They were there to expose the CIA to anger the General and put Lois in Danger. I mean shit all he did was pull out a tracker and said "CIA" and everybody flipped. They weren't monitering the General, they were trying to assasinate him. And all of this happened because Lois Lane was the journalist the General ended up having the interview with. (Which was most likely done on purpose) because putting her in life threatening danger waa going to draw out Superman to africa to save her.
Killing Jimmy the way they did was a pretty big waste of what could've been an interesting new look at his relationship with Superman. Like if Zack felt like Jimmy didn't belong in this universe then why put him in the CIA? That fit perfectly with this more cynical world.
It's cool how in the beginning that general gave the statement: "Men with power obey neither policy nor principle." Kinda encapsulates one of the main themes of the movie. Batman has completely lost his core values - his principles. And both obey no policy - they undertake acts of heroism which is not in compliance with the law.
Angeltosh 08 I think so, too. It makes perfect sense. And I think that's clever to have two Jimmy Olsens to pay tribute to the comics. Superman: Red Son featured Jimmy Olsen as a CIA agent, but in the future, we'll get the REAL one.
***** That's kinda what I said. I'm just anticipating the possibility of that decision being overturned now that Geoff Johns is around. To be honest, I never really cared for Jimmy Olsen despite being a big Superman fan. He was great during the Silver Age, but now, he's just another character meant to populate the cast. Supes already has two best friends back home in Smallville and they are aware of his identity. Supes doesn't need a signal watch to know about trouble. Jimmy is just one of those characters meant for the comic book environment. I really don't know how useful he'd be in the movies. He'd get captured more than Lois...
Damn, this would be like killing off James Rhodes in the first few minutes of "Iron Man" in Afghanistan 😂 or like making a Dragon Ball movie and then killing off Krillin or Yamcha within the first 5 minutes only for them to be never mentioned again.
How awesome would it have been of Superman showed up at 3:27 and caught the bullet? Ngl I was completely expecting that to happen when I saw this in theaters
Keep crying lol.....that wasn't real Jimmy Olsen but the same who got killed probably knows who Jimmy Olsen is....that's means the real Jimmy exists in DCEU.... And wait Mf have you watched this is 3:36 to 3:39...the head basically says "Talons down sir" and we have lost our asset pretty sure explains that infront of you that THATS NOT REAL JIMMY OLSEN.... seriously where's your brain was....
@@arnavcarpenter4063 Sorry allow me to elobrate. I call it terrible not specifically because of this scene but really in general for how Jimmy Olson was handled. They COULD have rectified this with then bringing on Jimmy Olson later but since it's more than clear Synder STILL couldn't give a damn about the character since he could've just easily put him in the Synder Cut like how he added Ray Palmer for example. So it doesn't justify this choice here in BvS since at this point he might as well not have added that Jimmy Olson name at all if he's clearly had nothing planned for the character regardless.
If they come out and confirm that Superman did not kill them, people would know they were the one sent in the drone to kill people. That's why it didn't happen.
Killing jimmy is imo a perfect representation of how zack never understood superman. He wanted edgy superpower man who fights aliens and people die. Jimmy has heart and gives clark reason to care about regular people despite his power.
They called him Tallon. So basically it was just a CIA guy using Jimmy Olsen's name. So calm down people! Now this is another thing the Ultimate Cut fleshed out
Yeah, but that's after the movie came out. You shouldn't need to release a patch for a movie to make it better, it should be able to stand on it's own without patches
@@thewateversho223gaming They better when we're spoon-feeding them our money. If we make the effort to drive to the theater, get in line, and wait for a big-screen film, we should get a complete product
Okay here's my problem with this scene. They killed Jimmy Olson without giving him much of a character. Besides his name, the audience isn't really given a lot of time to get invested in him and really get to know him before his brains get blown out. Zach Snyder said he did this to have "fun" with him. Here's what he said. "We just did it as this little aside because we had been tracking where we thought the movies were gonna go, and we don’t have room for Jimmy Olsen in our big pantheon of characters, but we can have fun with him, right?". "He comes up to her and he goes, ‘Lois Lane, I’m Jimmy Olsen, photographer, obviously … You know, I’ve been assigned to you for this mission.’ But it turns out that Jimmy Olsen is a spook for the CIA." Also Jesse Eisenberg auditioned for Jimmy Olson. "I thought, if it were Jesse Eisenberg and he got out and he goes, ‘I’m Jimmy Olsen,’ you’d be like, oh my God, we’re gonna have Jimmy Olsen in the whole movie, right?’ And then if he got shot, you’d just be like, ‘What!? You can’t do that.’" How is this fun exactly? I get that maybe he's trying to say that he's not doing what has been done before or that he's trying to say that no one is safe from death but that doesn't really matter unless we've had some time to get attached to this character before you blow his brains out. Its pointless and you shouldn't have even made him Jimmy Olson. Just make him a generic CIA agent and there'd be less bitching toward this movie. There'd still be bitching but they couldn't bitch about this. In the end it felt pretty pointless and makes Zach Snyder seem slightly nihilistic and psychopathic.
u should have read snyder's statement more carefully. he said jimmy olsen has no role in dceu. 'have fun' simply means add jimmy as cameo. read superman red son. jimmy is a CIA agent there n this is just a reference to that.
amazo88 Yeah right, as if we completely believe it. That doesn't change the fact that Zack Snyder still has no real understanding on why these DC characters are memorable in the first place.
@@MrGlenbw He understands perfectly what he is doing. You fail to understand that a character having a meaningful name does NOT make them bulletproof. I mean honestly, Pete Ross was relegated to a cameo in both these movies as well, despite originally being a major part of Superman's life in Smallville. I mean if you care that badly, than DCEU can just say he has a younger brother. Seriously this is not worth bitching about.
Jimmy Olsen deserved so much better than to be shot in the face and never getting to meet Superman in this cinematic universe. That’s something James Gunn is correcting with his new Superman coming out next year
I feel like "Jimmy Olsen" is the standard cover name for whatever agent's working with Lois. Her lines about "Heron" indicate this isn't her fist assignment with the CIA.
So everybody only focused on the CIA posing as a cameraman with the name "Jimmy Olsen" while his CIA codename was "Talon." While also looking like he has the spitting image of Talon's face. Guys, that's literally TWO comicbook characters, Zack basically confirmed that this was nothing more than a reference to a character that literally doesn't exist in this universe. And that's the problem with people that hate this movie: they're paying attention to the wrong shit
But fans of the comics don’t like it when the characters they love can’t appear anymore just because zack have the name to some dead background character.
How the scene SHOULD have gone: *Gun is about to fire when Superman slams onto the ground in front of Jimmy and the bullet deflects off of him* Jimmy: *smiles in relief and knowingly says* “Faster than a speeding bullet...”
Too bad Zack Snyder found this scene WAY TOO CHEESY AND OPTIMISTIC that he decided to ditch that 'feel good' scene and doubled down on the 'realism' simply by just taking out Superman out of the shot.😑
Jimmy Olsen a well known character and Superman’s/Clark’s best friend and they just kill him off. Why even have him in the movie beside just being fan service?
I wonder if the "save" Snyder is promising is something along the lines of: this Olsen is the "real" Jimmy's father. Just imagine Lois feeling so deeply responsible for the kid, as she came back when his dad didn't...and so, she takes Jimmy under her wing as her apprentice of sorts. And Clark can serve as a father figure.
Lundmunchkins I'd say a kid who lost his father is pretty dark as it is. And since both he and Lois lost someone close to them because of Luthor...they'd both be struggling with a similar issue, involving what he deserves. Just imagine the two of them and Luthor, say in Luthor's cell at Arkham...Luthor taunting them, and their struggling not to break. Or something like that.
Hard Boiled Entertainment That would be a cool way to try and ave Jimmy's character, but sadly I don't think Snyder would consider bringing Jimmy back. Superman's best pal is dead. AND SO IS SUPERMAN.
Nando v Movies was right on point as always. Especially with this film. It needed Jimmy Olsen, desperately. With how Bleak Snyder wanted the DCEU to be, Jimmy Olsen was needed.
@@tylerleach8796 That's so true. Luckily WB is starting to hire people who really UNDERSTAND Jimmy for a new Superman movie and will definitely do him justice.
People whined when Jimmy Olsen gets shot and killed. I get how upset they are but I always thought it was a ballsy move. Mostly because I always see Jimmy as this goody-goody sidekick in Christopher Reeves Superman and Superman Returns. It annoys me a lot. I screamed THANK YOU! when I saw him die.
A simple way to have audience relate more to Superman is showing him saving someone else than Lois, what a wasted opportunity. He just looks like such a cold prick in those movies. The only scene where he saves people is depicted as a burden for him. Wheres the hope here.
Superman saved the terrorist in this scene. The montage where Superman saved people seems like a burden due to negative media coverage. Superman doesn't feel burdened by saving people in and of itself.
@@zhengyingli Superman saving terrorists doesnt make him any better lol. And watever Sups feels like its a burden or not, what matters is how Zack shows it. And with the slow mo, dramatic chores and very nuanced and subtle jesus imagery, its clear Snyder is showing how much of a burden it is for Superman. Just showing Sups saving one life beside Lois's and interacting with people would make him much better, hell, Jesus did that for years!
@@Waltersop But Superman isn't Jesus. Why doesn't saving a terrorist make Superman any better? Superman did interact with the people after saving the girl at Juarez.
Everyone else complaining about Lex Luthor casting, Doomsday and Martha but I'm most bothered by how they did Jimmy Olsen dirty. He should have lived. Especially for the friendship he could have had with Clark
I mean as far as I remember Jimmy never finds out Clark’s secret in the comics, the only time he came close was in Smallville but they were able to convince him otherwise when Oliver “saved” him dressed as the Blur while Clark was standing nearby. And keeping Clark tethered to his humanity has always been Lois’ purpose. And in all honesty we don’t really know for sure if that’s really Jimmy, he could have just been a CIA agent posing as Jimmy.
"Men with power obey neither policy nor principle." That right there. Sums up basically all of the DCEU. Even the heroes have proven themselves to be devoid of any "rules", they just do simply what it is that they think is good for others, and the villains do simply whatever they feel is best for their pride. As Robert Carlo said "Power doesn't always corrupt. Power can cleanse. What I believe is always true about power is that power always reveals." I mean look at me for example. If I were some alien with God-like power to do something like say....snap my fingers and deliver a river of clean water to dying of thirst or unclean water to a village somewhere that needed it, and I had no reliance whatsoever on anyone or anything else besides myself and my flesh with which to do it, then I would not care at all about "policy nor principle", I'd just do it, as an act of random kindness. And I've no doubt that loads of people would think to themselves that I've been revealed to be a savior, a hero, a "good" guy. Guys like Luther on the other hand: he lashed out against Superman because he was jealous of Superman's power and that Superman just by his "existing" made him feel insignificant, that he lashed out at Superman, and came up with bullshit like "The oldest lie in America is that power can be innocent" to distract himself from his envy and insecurity. And he did all of this because he felt that he needed to and that he had the power to do so, revealed it.
It's not him they say "Teller's down sir", maybe he's an agent that work for CIA then he got the identity of Jimmy Olsen as his disguise CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG
People really be getting mad over a side character's death, like we don't even know if he actually was Jimmy Olsen, no CIA agent uses their real name on a mission, it's common senses. And even if it was Jimmy, I would rather have him die doing something big than have him in the background with no relevance.
jimmy olsen could have been like a james rhodes kind of character to superman in man of steel, idc if they come up with some bullshit reason like they shot his shoulder or something, killing him off was a mistake
Damn this movie sucks. I really wish they let someone who actually reads the comics or actually someone who knows how to develop a character direct the movie, not Zack Snyder ugh no.
So Superman was in time to save Lois but he didn’t make it in time to save HIS BEST FRIEND?!?!?!?! And don’t say they didn’t know Eachother in this universe because anyone who studied this DC timeline knows THAT THEY 100% WERE best friends in this timeline and they were Best Friends for 16 Months before Batman V Superman is set. THATS ONLY 2 Months after the movie Man Of Steel is set. SUPERMAN YOU LET YOUR BEST FRIEND DIE! However jimmy never met Lois until this scene but Lois heard that Superman had a best friend named Jimmy. That’s all she knew tho. Other then that she never met him until this scene but she knew that Jimmy and Clark were friends. But the point is... SUPERMAN YOU NEED TO BE FASTER!!!!
Lol st everyone gettingbjn a twist about Olsen. “Oh noes!!! Not Superman’s bestest pal! Think of the missed story opportunities!!! Jimmy showing Clark his brand new camera! Jimmy getting mad and saying “gosh darn it!”! Jimmy picking up Clark’s lunch. Jimmy picking up the chief’s coffee!!! Compelling stuff!!
The only problem i had with this whole scene even when it was fixed, was why did they have to kill off Supermans pal Jimmy Olsen and even though i'm a huge fan of Zack Snyder(#ReleaseTheSnyderCut) i still have a small grudge on why he killed Jimmy Olsen.
@@zhengyingli If you really think that then you must not read comics at all, he's Superman's pal. He's a huge part of what makes Superman human. Snyder obviously didn't understand that.
@@zhengyingli I disagree. He's his best friend and it really helps to humanize him to forge strong bonds with people beyond being in love with one woman and being raised by his human parents. He needs a friend just like everyone else, in previous versions of Clark he felt quite aloof as if he was observing humanity from afar rather than being a part of it. Him having that relationship with Jimmy really alleviates that. DCEU'S Superman is hollow, he's just a 'symbol' that's detached from humanity. His parents weren't very much of an improvement either. Martha said Clark didn't owe humanity anything. Jonathan was so paranoid he believed it would be better if Clark let his schoolmates drown so as to protect his identity. The closest we got to Superman being himself was ironically in Justice League, when he shows up to help the other in the fight against Steppenwolf. And even that movie sucked. The DCEU is doomed.
this scene , even with the ultimate cut make superman look like an idiot , so after you killed this guy , why the hell do u fly off somewhere ,why just dont fucking stand there and explain shit for real ?
lol who am I kidding here? Of course I will not just watch this scene. It happens every time, I'm like, hey let me watch that one scene from BvS then I end up opening my IMovie app and watch the whole damn movie😩😩😩
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"Men with power obey neither policy nor principle. No one is different. No one is neutral." I just like that line a lot.
Eclipse these pious american faction, spoken like truth
Everyone's too fixated over Jimmy to listen to that awesome line, which is the theme of the movie repeated over and over: power/ powerlessness and principle/ vigilante/ anarchist.
@@Thehardtruth69 it gets better because the "terrorist" literally saying America isn't going to listen to their own policies because they're powerful
"No one is Neutral"
Luthor's mercenary: *shows the CIA Tracker* point instantly proven.
Its also awesome to note that Luthor planted them there solely to drag superman out there to africa to save Lois because she had an interview. Thus literally sparking the rest of the movie
Zack Snyder's definition of "having fun" with a character is apparently showing said character getting shot in the head and everyone forgetting he ever existed
I think, "having fun" is by having someone calling themselves, "Jimmy Olsen" turn out to be an undercover CIA agent posing as a photographer. I'm not sure how the CIA works but I don't think their undercover operatives generally go around all James Bond like using their real names. So the fun is in taking a character you think you know and having them be someone totally different. It's fun from a storytellers point of view.
Jordant Bryant you act like Superman has so many side characters. They can easily be creative with him.
@@VioletGrey Thank you!
@@VioletGrey that just sounds like a lame excuse retcon after fans’ black lash over Superman’s best friend died immediately
@@madtitan0825 Same with Doomsday. After people gave Snyder backlash for how they treated Doomsday
What they did to my boi Jimmy Olsen is unforgivable😭😭😭😭
Bro grow up that's not real Jimmy Olsen .....this one is fake ,has a tracker in the camera, that CIA agents are basically following him so that they can kill the afghans....Afghan leader after knowing this killed that CIA mole.... Aka fake Jimmy olsen
That was not Jimmy
@@diegoclark7697 exactly, they literally say his real name after he is killed
@@ericalexcantero8249 he was a spy. That's a straight giveaway that whatever name he uses isn't his real one
He wasn't Jimmy, that was his cover.
2:55 "CIA they tracking us"
subtitle : "CIA thats happiness"
Lmao i saw that too
Lmfao that’s hilarious
Seriously, why did they kill Jimmy? He seemed very charismatic in this version!
They killed Jimmy Olsen, they killed Mercy Graves, they made Lex Luthor act like The Riddler, Doomsday looked terrible and rushed, Superman was boring and mopey. Basically, DC took a huge dump on Superman and his lore in this movie to make Batman look good.
I definitely hated how they killed off Jim and Mercy Graves, and I didn't care much for Lex Luthor in this film. But Doomsday was badass imo. Superman well I guess he was a little mopey but what do you expect after he was forced to kill the last of his race and a bunch of civilians exploded right in front of his eyes.
Don't worry, they'll probably pull a Smallville on us and have Jimmy back in the next film, say it's younger brother or cousin following in his steps or something :P
Only had a few minutes of screentime & I already like this Jimmy Olsen more than Mehcad Brook's Jimmy Olsen on the Supergirl TV show. It's unfortunate they killed DCEU's Jimmy Olsen when they just introduced him. :(
***** a "court of owls" agent so the rumors go.
The actor playing Jimmy also starred in Smallville as Grant Gabriel fyi
Aläsa and Amy Adams played Jodi in Smallville
Who asked you
@@africanplayer5390 who asked you?
People who watched sucks Smallville TV i got nothing to say . Is not even a superheroes TV my reaction in the past will be the reaction that no of my teachers can guess it at movie class and that is sensitive . Fine I feel like not that again but I know Smallville mean different things for Superman .
@@qgxyreverse9886 it is but ok
This death is on line with Darwin’s death in X-Men: First Class. They didn’t deserve those fates.
You would think the CIA would be smart enough to put the tracker somewhere else since I'm pretty sure the camera would be LITERALLY THE FIRST THING THEY WOULD CHECK.
Of course why do they need a tracker since there's a drone monitoring the whole thing to begin with?And that tracker is so obviously a tracker red light included apparently a simpler less conspicuos tracker did not yet exist circa 2016.🤔 Whoever wrote this scene knows at most the cliff notes version of intel gathering. And finally what exactly was the plan here? Before he gets shot Jimmy says in the local language that he can organise an arrangement. So why all the hiding and lying then? Was it a lie just to buy himself more time that failed? Again the writers know very little about actual spying.
@@florinivan6907 they should have put tracker inside jimmys a*#*$ole
@@florinivan6907 the tracker was there because they wanted an exact location of where the General would be. They put it in the camera because its literally the only place it could've been put, Lois and Jimmy were the ticket into finding the General, whats why there was a drone and soldiers moved in 5 minutes later after the operative was killed and they planned to merely drone him after Lois and Jimmy's interview.
THE *REAL* PROBLEM was Luthor's best man and the others posing as "hired mercenaries." They were there to expose the CIA to anger the General and put Lois in Danger. I mean shit all he did was pull out a tracker and said "CIA" and everybody flipped. They weren't monitering the General, they were trying to assasinate him. And all of this happened because Lois Lane was the journalist the General ended up having the interview with. (Which was most likely done on purpose) because putting her in life threatening danger waa going to draw out Superman to africa to save her.
Skyler Gisondo as Jimmy Olsen managed to give this one a kick with his name.
Thanks gunn 🗿👌
Killing Jimmy the way they did was a pretty big waste of what could've been an interesting new look at his relationship with Superman. Like if Zack felt like Jimmy didn't belong in this universe then why put him in the CIA? That fit perfectly with this more cynical world.
If he's in the CIA is Jimmy Olsen even his real name? Wouldn't that just be a cover for an agent engaged in an op that isn't supposed to be happening?
Fuck jimmy he has nothing to do with whonsuperman is foh lame
It's called an easter egg
@@chrisallen9296 no it called a cameo a very bad cameo
@@chidaluokoro9104 oh, someone doesn't know that cameos can be easter eggs
Fun fact: The guy playing Jimmy Olsen, was also Lex Luthors brother in Smallville
It's cool how in the beginning that general gave the statement: "Men with power obey neither policy nor principle." Kinda encapsulates one of the main themes of the movie. Batman has completely lost his core values - his principles. And both obey no policy - they undertake acts of heroism which is not in compliance with the law.
Why the heck did they kill Jimmy off? he could have been Superman's pal
They said they didn't have room for him, but I think WB made Zack say that; just like they made him cut the film down to 2 1/2 hours.
+Deo Robinson in a recent interview Zack told that he was just a CIA agent who was impersonating jimmy
JIMMY IS STILL ALIVE
Angeltosh 08 I think so, too. It makes perfect sense. And I think that's clever to have two Jimmy Olsens to pay tribute to the comics. Superman: Red Son featured Jimmy Olsen as a CIA agent, but in the future, we'll get the REAL one.
+Angeltosh 08 Why do I get the feeling Zack Snyder only said that to cover his ass from getting more hate over this movie than he already has?
***** That's kinda what I said. I'm just anticipating the possibility of that decision being overturned now that Geoff Johns is around. To be honest, I never really cared for Jimmy Olsen despite being a big Superman fan. He was great during the Silver Age, but now, he's just another character meant to populate the cast. Supes already has two best friends back home in Smallville and they are aware of his identity. Supes doesn't need a signal watch to know about trouble. Jimmy is just one of those characters meant for the comic book environment. I really don't know how useful he'd be in the movies. He'd get captured more than Lois...
This is one reason I hated the Snyderverse. When Snyder killed jimmy, that's when I knew he didn't understand the characters.
All I can say is thank god My Adventures with Superman gave us a lovable Jimmy Olsen.
and wait for Skyler Gisondo in Superman the movie 2025
@@ezequielperez2224 Can't wait!
so superman's best friend is dead......ok
so is Let's best friend. Mercy :(
+Jack Campbell yeah but he died and we did not get to c him hang out with superman
Are they related? Seems like Jenna didnt give a fuck about Jimmy
Mikhail Whittingham Both Superman and Flash need friends.
Because Zack Snyder doesn't give a hell about Superman.
Damn, this would be like killing off James Rhodes in the first few minutes of "Iron Man" in Afghanistan 😂
or like making a Dragon Ball movie and then killing off Krillin or Yamcha within the first 5 minutes only for them to be never mentioned again.
Nah, it's like killing Jar Jar at the start of the Phantom Menace
it's not jimmy olsen but a CIA agent who took the name of jimmy olsen, here are the retarded fans of marvel unable to understand a movie
@@jelsi99 this isn’t even explained in the movie, just sounds like a waste opportunity and an excuse to fix the movie afterward lol
Or maybe it can be it's own thing. The character's real name is Talon, he uses Jimmy Olsen name as a cover up.
@@madtitan0825just shut up already god you’re annoying
How awesome would it have been of Superman showed up at 3:27 and caught the bullet? Ngl I was completely expecting that to happen when I saw this in theaters
Not dark enough
The fact they made Jimmy a CIA agent and killed him immediately just goes to show how shit the DCEU was handled
Keep crying lol.....that wasn't real Jimmy Olsen but the same who got killed probably knows who Jimmy Olsen is....that's means the real Jimmy exists in DCEU....
And wait Mf have you watched this is 3:36 to 3:39...the head basically says "Talons down sir" and we have lost our asset pretty sure explains that infront of you that THATS NOT REAL JIMMY OLSEN.... seriously where's your brain was....
That's not Jimmy Olsen, his real name was Tallon, he used the fake name of Jimmy Olsen on the mission.
@@arnavcarpenter4063 the sheer fact that they even had to do it shows how terribly they handled that character.
@@dimensionzone8048 it is literally just a reference to that character from comics, I don't see anything wrong in that.
@@arnavcarpenter4063 Sorry allow me to elobrate. I call it terrible not specifically because of this scene but really in general for how Jimmy Olson was handled. They COULD have rectified this with then bringing on Jimmy Olson later but since it's more than clear Synder STILL couldn't give a damn about the character since he could've just easily put him in the Synder Cut like how he added Ray Palmer for example. So it doesn't justify this choice here in BvS since at this point he might as well not have added that Jimmy Olson name at all if he's clearly had nothing planned for the character regardless.
I think that a CIA agent used "Jimmy Olsen" as a easter-egg name, because he wasn't really a photographer, so he wasn't really Jimmy Olsen
"I'm not a lady, I'm a journalist." Proceeds to give a ladylike hint-of-a-smile.
Hard Boiled Entertainment l
Wtf are you on about?
Oh hi Jimmy! I can already tell we'll see more of you in the fut- BANG! - Ok never mind...
🤣😂😂😂
Wait...so they (CIA) saw their agent get killed via satellite. Could they not also see the firefight started by the Russian?
they already sent out the drone to blast the area, the monitors look like they were no longer looking overhead
If they come out and confirm that Superman did not kill them, people would know they were the one sent in the drone to kill people. That's why it didn't happen.
Galen Marek EXACTLY!! The CIA (which is co-funded by Luthor) wont tell anything of what happened.
@@maskofshy How it is cofunfed by Luthor?
@@galenmarek7107 not sure that makes much sense
Killing jimmy is imo a perfect representation of how zack never understood superman. He wanted edgy superpower man who fights aliens and people die. Jimmy has heart and gives clark reason to care about regular people despite his power.
Lol you’re funny
@@kaponosucksyou to with that pfp you got already have me laughing
@@pixx6974 Thanks my pfp accomplished their mission
They called him Tallon. So basically it was just a CIA guy using Jimmy Olsen's name. So calm down people! Now this is another thing the Ultimate Cut fleshed out
Yeah, but that's after the movie came out. You shouldn't need to release a patch for a movie to make it better, it should be able to stand on it's own without patches
@@Kdot6_16 Not everything is going to be spoon fed to you like a child
@@thewateversho223gaming They better when we're spoon-feeding them our money. If we make the effort to drive to the theater, get in line, and wait for a big-screen film, we should get a complete product
@@PossessedbyPhoenix yeah but that is not the directors fault, is the studio who cut parte of the movie
@@borisalvarez3988 whomever fault it was we are getting screwed
Lol Coca-Cola Commercial 0:00-0:03
And while enjoying your coke after interviewing terrorists, take a luxiorious ride to Gotham on Turkish Airlines. TURKISH AIRLINES!!!
adamtherock2008 why are you emphasizing the airline company name??
Okay here's my problem with this scene.
They killed Jimmy Olson without giving him much of a character. Besides his name, the audience isn't really given a lot of time to get invested in him and really get to know him before his brains get blown out. Zach Snyder said he did this to have "fun" with him. Here's what he said.
"We just did it as this little aside because we had been tracking where we thought the movies were gonna go, and we don’t have room for Jimmy Olsen in our big pantheon of characters, but we can have fun with him, right?". "He comes up to her and he goes, ‘Lois Lane, I’m Jimmy Olsen, photographer, obviously … You know, I’ve been assigned to you for this mission.’ But it turns out that Jimmy Olsen is a spook for the CIA."
Also Jesse Eisenberg auditioned for Jimmy Olson.
"I thought, if it were Jesse Eisenberg and he got out and he goes, ‘I’m Jimmy Olsen,’ you’d be like, oh my God, we’re gonna have Jimmy Olsen in the whole movie, right?’ And then if he got shot, you’d just be like, ‘What!? You can’t do that.’"
How is this fun exactly? I get that maybe he's trying to say that he's not doing what has been done before or that he's trying to say that no one is safe from death but that doesn't really matter unless we've had some time to get attached to this character before you blow his brains out. Its pointless and you shouldn't have even made him Jimmy Olson. Just make him a generic CIA agent and there'd be less bitching toward this movie. There'd still be bitching but they couldn't bitch about this.
In the end it felt pretty pointless and makes Zach Snyder seem slightly nihilistic and psychopathic.
u should have read snyder's statement more carefully. he said jimmy olsen has no role in dceu. 'have fun' simply means add jimmy as cameo. read superman red son. jimmy is a CIA agent there n this is just a reference to that.
amazo88 Yeah right, as if we completely believe it. That doesn't change the fact that Zack Snyder still has no real understanding on why these DC characters are memorable in the first place.
Grady Childs Whack Snyder is the main problem with the dceu
@@MrGlenbw
He understands perfectly what he is doing.
You fail to understand that a character having a meaningful name does NOT make them bulletproof.
I mean honestly, Pete Ross was relegated to a cameo in both these movies as well, despite originally being a major part of Superman's life in Smallville.
I mean if you care that badly, than DCEU can just say he has a younger brother. Seriously this is not worth bitching about.
@@julianseguin2748 Too late
Jimmy Olsen deserved so much better than to be shot in the face and never getting to meet Superman in this cinematic universe. That’s something James Gunn is correcting with his new Superman coming out next year
Jimmy olsen now: you gave what i don’t fucking deserve
Maybe he's not the real Jimmy Olsen and was just pretending to be one?
Ceyda Charming or related
I feel like "Jimmy Olsen" is the standard cover name for whatever agent's working with Lois. Her lines about "Heron" indicate this isn't her fist assignment with the CIA.
Like they said, they used his credentials as cover.
He's actually Julian Luthor. LOL. Smallville fans will get that reference.
He is the real Jimmy Olsen; based on Superman red son comics.
So everybody only focused on the CIA posing as a cameraman with the name "Jimmy Olsen" while his CIA codename was "Talon." While also looking like he has the spitting image of Talon's face. Guys, that's literally TWO comicbook characters, Zack basically confirmed that this was nothing more than a reference to a character that literally doesn't exist in this universe. And that's the problem with people that hate this movie: they're paying attention to the wrong shit
Preach! 🗣️
But fans of the comics don’t like it when the characters they love can’t appear anymore just because zack have the name to some dead background character.
Fucking sucks how they make Jimmy a CIA instead of Lois' right hand and killed him off just as quickly.
Wow, Jimmy bit the dust very quickly.
2:56 the subtitles say CIA that's happiness
Everyone that’s not jimmy olsen that we know and love
That's what he got executed
How the scene SHOULD have gone:
*Gun is about to fire when Superman slams onto the ground in front of Jimmy and the bullet deflects off of him*
Jimmy: *smiles in relief and knowingly says* “Faster than a speeding bullet...”
Too bad Zack Snyder found this scene WAY TOO CHEESY AND OPTIMISTIC that he decided to ditch that 'feel good' scene and doubled down on the 'realism' simply by just taking out Superman out of the shot.😑
Cringe
@@aaronl221 no. Not cringe, asshole.
that sounds like pure shit and makes no sense for the rest of the movie
@@haydenmatthews5547 if that's what you think then you clearly don't like Superman.
The guy who played the Warlord here was in Punisher: Dirty Laundry as the main gang leader. Very good actor.
Jimmy Olsen a well known character and Superman’s/Clark’s best friend and they just kill him off. Why even have him in the movie beside just being fan service?
Man jimmy olsen super mans best pall gets killed in the first five minutes
Snyder! Do a Powerpuff Girls movie and kill off Bubbles why don't ya!
fuckin hated bubbles
He'll make a kick ass Powerpuff Girls film
Damnit Zack this is something I wish you never did
UNLESS JIMMY OLSEN IS JUST THIS AGENT’S CODENAME
I wonder if the "save" Snyder is promising is something along the lines of: this Olsen is the "real" Jimmy's father. Just imagine Lois feeling so deeply responsible for the kid, as she came back when his dad didn't...and so, she takes Jimmy under her wing as her apprentice of sorts. And Clark can serve as a father figure.
Nah he wouldn't go that. If he does he'll just kill him again, or make him dark and edgy.
Lundmunchkins I'd say a kid who lost his father is pretty dark as it is. And since both he and Lois lost someone close to them because of Luthor...they'd both be struggling with a similar issue, involving what he deserves. Just imagine the two of them and Luthor, say in Luthor's cell at Arkham...Luthor taunting them, and their struggling not to break. Or something like that.
Hard Boiled Entertainment That would be a cool way to try and ave Jimmy's character, but sadly I don't think Snyder would consider bringing Jimmy back. Superman's best pal is dead. AND SO IS SUPERMAN.
Lundmunchkins Snyder himself hinted that he's got a save on this.
What they did to Jimmy Olsen was unforgivable.
2:55 CIA!
-that's happiness..... Subtitles 😂
Suicide Squad Extended Cut movie: th-cam.com/play/PLrT4uvwaf6uxQGBrpM025rI5C0olsuYeK.html
Glad Superman showed up to sav- wait sorry, that's Superman Returns.
Best way to make anything inconspicuous is to put a bright blinking light on it. 👌
Ultimate Edition is on a different level, hope Snyder will get some love from DC again one day
no...it really isn't.
Yes exclty with Zack's Snyder Justice League
Opening extended scene for Coca-Cola product placement at 0:00.
1:37 yeah this exactly how you start interview with armed militia
You expect the most respected reporter in Metropolis Pulitzer prize winner to know things like tact?
Why the filter so gray it’s full to look at
Why did they give to Jimmy the same appearance that Bruce Wayne has? Same hair style, same beard that Bruce adopts at Justice League.
They did jimmy dirty
Who
To this day, Snyder’s Lois Lane is one of the most mundane characters on screen
"I'm not a lady I'm a journalist."
Honestly her line gets badass with time.
ah no. its crimgy feminist dribble.
@@shonenhikada9254 Imagine any straight dude denying he's a dude😂. I think these feminists are just bitter they were born female.
@@shonenhikada9254 🤡🤡
@@marvthemartian001 clown world is you.
@@shonenhikada9254 at least not Mennist.
They Killed Jimmy Olsen! He's Gone!
0:01 if you ever want to see subtlety visualized
No one is differnt, no one is natural.
Hey you're not dead
This would've been a cool reveal some point near the end of the movie.
Nando v Movies was right on point as always. Especially with this film. It needed Jimmy Olsen, desperately. With how Bleak Snyder wanted the DCEU to be, Jimmy Olsen was needed.
It's actually Talon from court of owls
3:37
Talon's down, Sir
@@kartikadewi3270 ...I can't tell if that's better or worse. They still wasted a character either way. So I guess it's a pick your poison situation.
@@tylerleach8796 shut up kid
@@tylerleach8796 That's so true. Luckily WB is starting to hire people who really UNDERSTAND Jimmy for a new Superman movie and will definitely do him justice.
What is the name of the assassin that found the tracker in the camera?
People whined when Jimmy Olsen gets shot and killed. I get how upset they are but I always thought it was a ballsy move. Mostly because I always see Jimmy as this goody-goody sidekick in Christopher Reeves Superman and Superman Returns. It annoys me a lot. I screamed THANK YOU! when I saw him die.
i think it will be awsome if lex bring jimmy back to life and make him fight superman
This is the reason why this movie didn’t do so well: They’ve killed off Jimmy Olsen and messed up some of the characters.
And this is the very universe the Snydercult are defending smh
He was also in smallville as lex brother clone
1:39 Ha! The captions read Jenny instead of General. 😅
Edit: Actually almost the entirety of the English captions is hilarious.
A simple way to have audience relate more to Superman is showing him saving someone else than Lois, what a wasted opportunity. He just looks like such a cold prick in those movies. The only scene where he saves people is depicted as a burden for him. Wheres the hope here.
Superman saved the terrorist in this scene. The montage where Superman saved people seems like a burden due to negative media coverage. Superman doesn't feel burdened by saving people in and of itself.
@@zhengyingli "Saved the terrorist"...Something sounds really wrong here lol
@@Waltersop What do you mean?
@@zhengyingli Superman saving terrorists doesnt make him any better lol. And watever Sups feels like its a burden or not, what matters is how Zack shows it. And with the slow mo, dramatic chores and very nuanced and subtle jesus imagery, its clear Snyder is showing how much of a burden it is for Superman. Just showing Sups saving one life beside Lois's and interacting with people would make him much better, hell, Jesus did that for years!
@@Waltersop But Superman isn't Jesus. Why doesn't saving a terrorist make Superman any better? Superman did interact with the people after saving the girl at Juarez.
Everyone else complaining about Lex Luthor casting, Doomsday and Martha but I'm most bothered by how they did Jimmy Olsen dirty. He should have lived. Especially for the friendship he could have had with Clark
Just saying, he could have helped Lois keep Clark's hold on his humanity in check
I mean as far as I remember Jimmy never finds out Clark’s secret in the comics, the only time he came close was in Smallville but they were able to convince him otherwise when Oliver “saved” him dressed as the Blur while Clark was standing nearby. And keeping Clark tethered to his humanity has always been Lois’ purpose. And in all honesty we don’t really know for sure if that’s really Jimmy, he could have just been a CIA agent posing as Jimmy.
"Men with power obey neither policy nor principle."
That right there.
Sums up basically all of the DCEU.
Even the heroes have proven themselves to be devoid of any "rules", they just do simply what it is that they think is good for others, and the villains do simply whatever they feel is best for their pride.
As Robert Carlo said "Power doesn't always corrupt. Power can cleanse. What I believe is always true about power is that power always reveals."
I mean look at me for example. If I were some alien with God-like power to do something like say....snap my fingers and deliver a river of clean water to dying of thirst or unclean water to a village somewhere that needed it, and I had no reliance whatsoever on anyone or anything else besides myself and my flesh with which to do it, then I would not care at all about "policy nor principle", I'd just do it, as an act of random kindness. And I've no doubt that loads of people would think to themselves that I've been revealed to be a savior, a hero, a "good" guy.
Guys like Luther on the other hand: he lashed out against Superman because he was jealous of Superman's power and that Superman just by his "existing" made him feel insignificant, that he lashed out at Superman, and came up with bullshit like "The oldest lie in America is that power can be innocent" to distract himself from his envy and insecurity. And he did all of this because he felt that he needed to and that he had the power to do so, revealed it.
*takes Camera*
Jimmy: “It’s just a camera”
You fucked up right there.
It's not him they say "Teller's down sir", maybe he's an agent that work for CIA then he got the identity of Jimmy Olsen as his disguise
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG
That's the guy from that Bruce Willis movie. Tears of the sun I think.
way to piss all over an opportunity to gives us some superman heroics snyder...... BRAVO
Superman prevented human extinction in this movie dude
Greetings Dr Pavel, I'm CIA
Damn what a movie. Enough with smiles and bad jokes. This is just the best.
He wasn’t jimmy Olson
The clandestine location beacon had to beep AND flash, just in case it couldn't be found.
People really be getting mad over a side character's death, like we don't even know if he actually was Jimmy Olsen, no CIA agent uses their real name on a mission, it's common senses.
And even if it was Jimmy, I would rather have him die doing something big than have him in the background with no relevance.
Hope he somehow survived to return in man of steel 2. If it ever gets made.
jimmy olsen could have been like a james rhodes kind of character to superman in man of steel, idc if they come up with some bullshit reason like they shot his shoulder or something, killing him off was a mistake
He'll always be Grant Gabriel aka Julian Luthor to me. Especially when he says, "Lois". Fangirled way too hard. #Smallville
It's OK, that's Henry James Olsen, not James Bartholomew Olsen xD.
Biggest waste ever of a memorable DC character.
Drew Winslow So many characters in the DCEU universe, we don't give a shit about Jimmy
Jimmy Olsen, memorable? LMAO
Kal-El fan 49 For Superman yes. I remember him from Superman the animated series.
I thought it was common knowledge that's really not Jimmy Olsen, he's someone impersonating Jimmy
@@doctordoom1860 that just sounds like a lame excuse to cover up this miss opportunity
Henry cavill handsome man.
Damn this movie sucks. I really wish they let someone who actually reads the comics or actually someone who knows how to develop a character direct the movie, not Zack Snyder ugh no.
Snyder knows more about comics than you dumb fuck
@@benakinnusi2518 Nah, I doubt that very much. But a loser like you would probably think that.
Henry cavill is awesome as superman
They have a chance to retcon this death now. Hope they don’t waste, Superman needs normal friends.
There's no need for a retcon considering this CIA agent most likely stole Jimmy's credentials to pretend to be a journalist.
Normal friends? He couldn’t necessarily be himself around “normal” friends who don’t know his secret.
You are right; James Gunn decides to throw everything that is Snyderverse related and start from scratch. JIMMY OLSEN IS SAVED! 🙏
@@MrGlenbw Jimmy Olsen never died.
So Superman was in time to save Lois but he didn’t make it in time to save HIS BEST FRIEND?!?!?!?!
And don’t say they didn’t know Eachother in this universe because anyone who studied this DC timeline knows THAT THEY 100% WERE best friends in this timeline and they were Best Friends for 16 Months before Batman V Superman is set. THATS ONLY 2 Months after the movie Man Of Steel is set. SUPERMAN YOU LET YOUR BEST FRIEND DIE!
However jimmy never met Lois until this scene but Lois heard that Superman had a best friend named Jimmy. That’s all she knew tho. Other then that she never met him until this scene but she knew that Jimmy and Clark were friends.
But the point is... SUPERMAN YOU NEED TO BE FASTER!!!!
How do you know Superman has been friends with Jimmy in this universe?
He wasn't the real Jimmy Olsen. It was a disguise
Lol st everyone gettingbjn a twist about Olsen. “Oh noes!!! Not Superman’s bestest pal! Think of the missed story opportunities!!! Jimmy showing Clark his brand new camera! Jimmy getting mad and saying “gosh darn it!”! Jimmy picking up Clark’s lunch. Jimmy picking up the chief’s coffee!!! Compelling stuff!!
Tell me about it. The BvS premiere summoned forth the mountains of Jimmy Olsen fans I never knew existed.
i've been trying to write down Jimmy Olsens African translation words but i can't seem to get them right.
Trying to figure out the language..?
They could say he has a nephew named jimmy olsen.
The only problem i had with this whole scene even when it was fixed, was why did they have to kill off Supermans pal Jimmy Olsen and even though i'm a huge fan of Zack Snyder(#ReleaseTheSnyderCut) i still have a small grudge on why he killed Jimmy Olsen.
A Jimmy Olsen is very redundant in this series because Lois can already take pictures.
@@zhengyingli That's a stupid reason to kill him off though, Jimmy is Clarks biggest friend and they killed him off for no reason.
@@zhengyingli If you really think that then you must not read comics at all, he's Superman's pal. He's a huge part of what makes Superman human. Snyder obviously didn't understand that.
@@jasontoddsthighholsters4168 Therefore he's redundant. Clark's already human due to his upbringing. There's no room for him in this 5 movie arc.
@@zhengyingli I disagree. He's his best friend and it really helps to humanize him to forge strong bonds with people beyond being in love with one woman and being raised by his human parents. He needs a friend just like everyone else, in previous versions of Clark he felt quite aloof as if he was observing humanity from afar rather than being a part of it. Him having that relationship with Jimmy really alleviates that. DCEU'S Superman is hollow, he's just a 'symbol' that's detached from humanity. His parents weren't very much of an improvement either. Martha said Clark didn't owe humanity anything. Jonathan was so paranoid he believed it would be better if Clark let his schoolmates drown so as to protect his identity. The closest we got to Superman being himself was ironically in Justice League, when he shows up to help the other in the fight against Steppenwolf. And even that movie sucked. The DCEU is doomed.
this scene , even with the ultimate cut make superman look like an idiot , so after you killed this guy , why the hell do u fly off somewhere ,why just dont fucking stand there and explain shit for real ?
Explain what to who???
lol who am I kidding here? Of course I will not just watch this scene. It happens every time, I'm like, hey let me watch that one scene from BvS then I end up opening my IMovie app and watch the whole damn movie😩😩😩
Nairome...?
Who is Jimmy Olsen and why does he matter
If you don't Know Jimmy Olsen I see who you don't know Superman
For a guy who is incredibly smart, he did behave incredibly stupid in this movie. No wonder he was deleted.
Grant Gabriel as ( Julian Luthor) is death again in other universe
This actor was way too soft spoken to play lois lane