Great review. Would be awesome to also see a review of the Konrad LX foils that fit the axis black fuselage and a comparison to this ART V2, as they seem to have quite similar attributes based on specs.
Konrad median line is more 2-D than Axis median line 1-D so you can interpret that for stability in turbulence vs the straight median line explanation which every time I listen to it converts to a word salad. I suspect Axis foil sections are slightly better than my own but no idea how they compare to Konrad, depends on Konrad's research prior to their recent startup. Axis have had plenty of time to refine their foil sections but they are also up against companies like Armstrong and many companies now days run simulation software to find weaknesses in their foil designs. I don't think the current state of art software gives accurate answers fast though and it's not just running the software, old computer saying "GIGO" garbage in, garbage out. If you don't feed the simulation software with things like distance from water surface, Atmospheric pressure, compressability of water(not), % of disolved gasses etc etc then you won't even get a close result from the software. And then things like turbulence from the wing, require 3D modelling of the fluid flow which is typically only approximated from 2D stacked layers. Ride quality is so much more than simulation results.
Really enjoying these reviews! My winging riding partner is on axis and going to buy one. I'm on armstrong ha v2. Looking forward to test this art v2 out and see how it compares to the ha v2.
Glad to hear you like. The ART v2 and HA v2 have a very similar range, but very different feel. Both weapons in their field, enjoy the back to back testing
Stall speed is similar in a same size comparison, HA v2 maybe slightly lower. The ART v2 is faster. The HA has a much looser roll. The ART v2 a looser yaw. Stock setting - the ART has more front foot pressure, the HA drives more from the back. They feel very different to ride. The HA's looser roll and rear drive makes it feel more 'surfy' and playful through gentle or snappy turns with minimal input, the ART is more planted and flat, liking a firmer input and is more suited to softer turning and rides like a smooth 'glider' between lumps
Hi, Nice review! I'm coming from hps 1050 for very light wind and hps 930 for everything else. Mostly finding they both hit the wall for speed (although that could be me) around 38kmph. Sounds like 999 would replace both and be faster? Looking for a form of quiver - what might that look like e.g. 999 replaces and 939 or art pro for faster/higher wind? 85kg on 85l board intermediate for reference...
You’d definitely enjoy the upgrade from HPS to ART v2, you would find the 999 faster than those sizes. Worth saying that the take off speed and forgiveness of the 1050 is real mellow and swapping to a 999 v2 might loose you a few knots of bottom end, at least for a while until you have learnt the high aspect take off technique. For sure the range of the new 999 would bridge those sizes. About small ART pro vs ART v2 - they are very different, the pro is like a drag car and likes to go straight, flat and fast, quite locked in with an abrupt stall speed, it only does that 1 riding style very well. The ART v2 is like a touring track car, it still has stacks of performance but likes to turn and can be ridden slow. If you want playful and fast go 999 & 879. Hope that helps?
Good review, again. Was it a crazyshort advanced or the advanced + you used? Did you try a skinny tail and if so how did it compare with the progressive tail?
Thanks, glad you enjoy. Always the advance +, it really loosens up the Axis Foils and recommend it to almost all levels. Spent time with the progressive tails, not put time pairing it with a skinny yet.
Just sold my Armstrong foil looking for be best foil on a market. What do you think is the best brand? Also cost effective brand. I want to go to Armstrong but package deal is 3200
Nice review! What sizes you tested ? And how they fit your weight? I am 85kg and really looking to jump into axis range and as I am mainly winging this foil looks very promising:)
We only got got hold of the 999 V2 to test, similar weight to you, it feels like a good staple size for average conditions (15-20 knot wind, flat-chest high faces). If you are comfortable riding
I will bite my tongue and avoid any spoilers of my own designer thoughts on this except to note that anyone on Axis foils should go to the Advance or advance+ fuselages. Quite rightly, they supplied these fuselages to bring the wings closer to the mast axis of rotation and reduce yaw control resistance for yaw initiated turning. There's so much more in-depth on this but I'll quit there.
Always running Axis on the Advance +. It really loosens their foils up and brings more life into them. Would recommend Advance + for almost all their foils and level of rider. It's amazing to see the development of the sport progress so quickly, brands stepping in late to the party have lots of data to get their products comparable quickly, it's nice to see brands like Axis who have been there since the beginning and helped make the sport it is today adapt and keep up as new lessons are learned and trends established.
I bought one and experience it to require significantly more speed to lift than my png 910…. So I kind of disagree that it lifts early… once up it is working fine as far as I can judge …. Still struggeling with the trimm
Great review Lads
Great review. Would be awesome to also see a review of the Konrad LX foils that fit the axis black fuselage and a comparison to this ART V2, as they seem to have quite similar attributes based on specs.
Konrad median line is more 2-D than Axis median line 1-D so you can interpret that for stability in turbulence vs the straight median line explanation which every time I listen to it converts to a word salad. I suspect Axis foil sections are slightly better than my own but no idea how they compare to Konrad, depends on Konrad's research prior to their recent startup. Axis have had plenty of time to refine their foil sections but they are also up against companies like Armstrong and many companies now days run simulation software to find weaknesses in their foil designs. I don't think the current state of art software gives accurate answers fast though and it's not just running the software, old computer saying "GIGO" garbage in, garbage out. If you don't feed the simulation software with things like distance from water surface, Atmospheric pressure, compressability of water(not), % of disolved gasses etc etc then you won't even get a close result from the software. And then things like turbulence from the wing, require 3D modelling of the fluid flow which is typically only approximated from 2D stacked layers. Ride quality is so much more than simulation results.
Thanks. Not tried the Konrad foils to compare, they look interesting. Will add to the list when there's opportunity
Really enjoying these reviews! My winging riding partner is on axis and going to buy one. I'm on armstrong ha v2. Looking forward to test this art v2 out and see how it compares to the ha v2.
Glad to hear you like. The ART v2 and HA v2 have a very similar range, but very different feel. Both weapons in their field, enjoy the back to back testing
@@poseidonwatersportsukHow is the feel different? Armstrong HA no doubt has a lower stall speed, turns prob about the same, same top speed?
Stall speed is similar in a same size comparison, HA v2 maybe slightly lower. The ART v2 is faster. The HA has a much looser roll. The ART v2 a looser yaw. Stock setting - the ART has more front foot pressure, the HA drives more from the back.
They feel very different to ride. The HA's looser roll and rear drive makes it feel more 'surfy' and playful through gentle or snappy turns with minimal input, the ART is more planted and flat, liking a firmer input and is more suited to softer turning and rides like a smooth 'glider' between lumps
Hi, Nice review! I'm coming from hps 1050 for very light wind and hps 930 for everything else. Mostly finding they both hit the wall for speed (although that could be me) around 38kmph. Sounds like 999 would replace both and be faster? Looking for a form of quiver - what might that look like e.g. 999 replaces and 939 or art pro for faster/higher wind? 85kg on 85l board intermediate for reference...
You’d definitely enjoy the upgrade from HPS to ART v2, you would find the 999 faster than those sizes. Worth saying that the take off speed and forgiveness of the 1050 is real mellow and swapping to a 999 v2 might loose you a few knots of bottom end, at least for a while until you have learnt the high aspect take off technique.
For sure the range of the new 999 would bridge those sizes.
About small ART pro vs ART v2 - they are very different, the pro is like a drag car and likes to go straight, flat and fast, quite locked in with an abrupt stall speed, it only does that 1 riding style very well. The ART v2 is like a touring track car, it still has stacks of performance but likes to turn and can be ridden slow.
If you want playful and fast go 999 & 879.
Hope that helps?
Good review, again. Was it a crazyshort advanced or the advanced + you used? Did you try a skinny tail and if so how did it compare with the progressive tail?
Thanks, glad you enjoy. Always the advance +, it really loosens up the Axis Foils and recommend it to almost all levels.
Spent time with the progressive tails, not put time pairing it with a skinny yet.
Just sold my Armstrong foil looking for be best foil on a market. What do you think is the best brand? Also cost effective brand. I want to go to Armstrong but package deal is 3200
Nice review! What sizes you tested ? And how they fit your weight? I am 85kg and really looking to jump into axis range and as I am mainly winging this foil looks very promising:)
We only got got hold of the 999 V2 to test, similar weight to you, it feels like a good staple size for average conditions (15-20 knot wind, flat-chest high faces). If you are comfortable riding
I will bite my tongue and avoid any spoilers of my own designer thoughts on this except to note that anyone on Axis foils should go to the Advance or advance+ fuselages. Quite rightly, they supplied these fuselages to bring the wings closer to the mast axis of rotation and reduce yaw control resistance for yaw initiated turning. There's so much more in-depth on this but I'll quit there.
Always running Axis on the Advance +. It really loosens their foils up and brings more life into them. Would recommend Advance + for almost all their foils and level of rider.
It's amazing to see the development of the sport progress so quickly, brands stepping in late to the party have lots of data to get their products comparable quickly, it's nice to see brands like Axis who have been there since the beginning and helped make the sport it is today adapt and keep up as new lessons are learned and trends established.
Will the 999 be the biggest size in of the ART V2?
I bought one and experience it to require significantly more speed to lift than my png 910…. So I kind of disagree that it lifts early… once up it is working fine as far as I can judge …. Still struggeling with the trimm
Is this foil (999) faster than both the Spitfire 900 and the ART1099 (which have comparable surface areas)?
Havn't GPS tracked it, but yes i would say the 999 is faster than the 900 an 1099, it carries it glide faster and further too.
At 1:02 😬🤣
whoops! 😬 lucky it's built strong
The fuselage line is faaaaar to oversaturated with Axis, puts me right off.
The range is a mess. The spitfire is a slow lemon and this one, the tips can't be breached.. hopeless!